 We are recording But yeah, welcome. Thanks everybody for coming to the May community chat It's looking forward to reclaim open or looking ahead to reclaim open. So Probably if you hear you know this so maybe I'll mention this just for the recording sake But next month is the reclaim open conference We're all really excited at of course at reclaim because it's our first in-person conference since I think domains 2019 is that right? So it's been a bit. There were things happening So, yeah, I'm really excited. It's gonna be at UMW which is also exciting and Yeah, I wanted to kind of just talk about sort of what we're looking forward to we've had the schedule published for a little bit Although there there's still details. We're filling in on the schedule in terms of like Some of the panels and stuff like that, but the actual sessions we've got locked in, you know and and And then we also are kind of We've put some information out there on in July a hybrid component to the conference to we're We're trying not to do Everything all at once so we're gonna try to make July really focused on the online experience in June really focused on the in-person experience although we'll probably have some experimentation and other details to share on that too, but Yeah, I wanted to talk about the schedule a little bit Talk about what we're excited about and then have time for folks to You know ask questions and whatever else around the conference so Yeah, I mean Looking I guess I can pull up the I should I should pull up the schedule here, too But if you're unfamiliar you can go to reclaim open calm and to look at the schedule It's right now got The three days here, so the first day on June 5th is a Unconference day, so of course there is a schedule here, but there is almost no detail because that's the whole point That will be determined in term on the actual day as far as what topics happen and everything But I did want to point out that We will have a live panel with some Former folks from DT LT, which is cool from UMW that is one actual already planned thing that's happening there and There are our course our breakout sessions that are happening throughout the day The other two days of the conference Tuesday and Wednesday. These are the main sort of more conferencing days and There's a lot going on of course got a really packed day pretty much both days actually I'm really really excited about all of our keynotes. I will say I'm right now probably most excited about Kathleen Fitzpatrick's keynote just because I'm really interested to hear more about the work happening there at Humanities Commons. I think that's really interesting and yeah, we're excited to hear more about that And we've of course got a lot of sessions that day. We have a keynote from Rajiv Janjiani Around the web that is so that's gonna be really exciting too and then On the Wednesday is the last day of the conference and the keynote that day is from Brian Alexander Which again, I'm sure is gonna be amazing and I'm very excited that we have three really exciting keynotes So with me kind of blitzing through the the basics of what's going on that day And I'll throw in the chat here as well on the link to the conference schedule if folks are unaware But yeah, I wanted to kind of talk about and highlight what other people are excited about and maybe Jim Do you want to lead with some sessions? You're looking forward to? Throw you Session I'm looking forward to Ben session looking forward to Shannon session everyone that's here I love the idea that Lee said that the web of the future will be minimal I think there's a lot to that especially with the idea of sustainability I think Tom Woodward is also doing something along those lines with questions of like, you know What's your websites kind of like essentially carbon footprint and how can you minimize the impact? Brian Olandyke is always a kind of a show if you will the ed tech Joker So I'm looking forward to him You know damning WordPress and you know holding out the vision of the web components and what's there? So, you know, I'm to be clear with me reclaim open It's a 10-year anniversary for reclaim hosting a lot of the people who'll be there Who'll be people who help build this company in one way or another like through their support through the work? We did early at UMW and beyond like it's going back there. It's intentional So I'm really very selfishly excited to go hang out There's gonna be a Tuesday night event at reclaim arcade Which I hope to be Show everybody the greatness that Tim Owens built with that space and so I'm Really excited just to reconnect. I think for me what I learned when I was in OER 23 in Scotland Which I went to just in April with Lauren. It was really nice to reconnect with folks and Be in a space together talking about stuff and reinvigorating Why we do this and what it's all about so for me. I think that's the magic That's not even on the program that I hope to capture and I'm really looking forward to it Yeah, I'd have to agree. I think I mean it's a lot's been said around like when Being in person the sort of the con the incidental things that happen the conversations that happen You know part of the point of these community chats is to kind of bring some of that But obviously it's very different than what can happen in an actual in-person experience and conference So I'm really excited about that too I'm also really excited to see in this community chat some of the folks that will be presenting and I I'm definitely going to try to put some people on the spot if they're willing to play play ball there. So I Yeah, I'd love to hear a little bit more about some of the Some of the sessions you already brought up Lees and I wanted to see Lee if you wanted to talk a little bit or even just give a little little preview of what your Session will be about the the future is minimal This this assumes that I have the talk ready That's plenty of time yeah, I mean what you know, what are you hoping it's about how about we could I could Minimalist philosophy. Yes. So yeah, no I've been writing about this a lot particularly post-pandemic and thinking about this concept that has Originated in the digital humanities around minimal computing and what they were really interested in is The environmental concerns, but also the sustainability concerns A lot of the times projects can't be sustained without a team of programmers and so You know, how do you ensure after a grant is done? Or even how do you ensure that communities that don't have access to these kinds of things can do? Preservation exhibits those kinds of things and so the Alex Gill who's at Yale now he was at Columbia He developed a couple of flat html Platforms so basically a flat html version of Omeca and a flat html version of using bootstraps and various other things of Being able to create an annotated digital edition with the idea again of Making more accessible and sustainable, you know, it can all be hosted on github These these large digital projects Yes wax that's exactly it. There's wax and then I I never remember the other one But wax was pretty much the one that took off a little bit more And and so one of the thoughts Exercises that I'm thinking of is that like well what what if we took the concepts of minimal computing and there's four foundational questions about What do we need? What do we have? What are we willing to give up and then a fourth one that I'm not remembering off top my head right now, but But but again in thinking through is like those aren't the questions we asked typically in ed tech Right in ed tech. We have the big ed tech narrative, right? Bigger more bigger more bloated more data hungry more bandwidth hungry more more invasion of privacy more more more And and it's become very much black box. Yes a tech manifest destiny. Yes, exactly Ben Williamson makes the arguments that big ed tech has basically taken over Our imaginations our ability to imagine differently about a future for ed tech and so So that's really what The thing that interests me a lot about this bringing bringing Minimal computing and ed tech together is being able to imagine differently Right if we took these four questions and we took these concepts and we applied it to thinking about ed tech What would that give us what would that look like? And I'm really interested of what it would look like on an institutional level rather than kind of an individual level because we have You know, I've opted out of the LMS because I use WordPress as a core site instead of that. I have you know That's one example, but that's one individual doing one thing within their own Purview and power and that goes to like what do we have? Maybe I don't have the skills. Maybe it's not a reclaim hosting skills school, etc. etc So so again, it's it's it's more of a it is very much a speculative exercise, but I think it's an important one that we need to undertake more often if we want to have Really good counter narratives against big ed tech And I'm particularly I like I'm sort of heartened by the recent developments by The guy from Google who just quit and saying that this is all gonna end up being open source. It has to be yeah that that that is that that is a Promising path forward because again, I think that there's you know, people don't understand how canvas works Right, they don't understand that it's just a website with a bunch of paywalls and plug-in Right. I mean that's essentially what a what an LMS is but they don't get that right. They don't understand You know how these things work and I think that that's also something that's really dangerous because of the implications for privacy the implications for You know making money off of the data and also just implications for a pedagogy So all of those kinds of things is like I kind of want to surface that and have that kind of fun thought exercise of what What the future could look like if we went minimal instead of that where we're heading right now, which is? Maximal at all times it's interesting to me too that the literal title right the future is minimal to me because because Based on what you're talking about to me. It almost seems a little bit existential too or even Determined by the argument, which is just that like look like some things break over time unless you have people maintaining them and by that very nature of that What will be left is what is minimal in in in certain spaces obviously right and it's sort of Well, how can we you know preserve what we're doing right with these tools that are? You know easier to maintain over time or more understandable and and For me like I've been really interested in like especially like the flat HTML stuff for I don't know As long as I've been doing anything on the web just because I find it so simple in in a kind of Great way, but the problem is you're trade often you're trading that simplicity in the the technology in with this For complexity and using it so often right and I'm always looking for more tools that let you do this stuff that ends up minimal In a minimal way throughout right it's way easier to write a WordPress blog Then to spin up Jekyll if you've never used it before in my opinion anyway, so yeah I'm always interested to see like okay What's the next version of something like Jekyll something like wax? That's even simpler folks to wrap their heads around and they end up with something that could be hosted Anywhere, you know on anything And and that's and that's the thing about minimal computing I see the conversation around wax is that one person's minimal is another person's Barrier right where yes, it totally is easier to spin up a WordPress blog post right like It juggles hard even with bootstraps Chris Shaffer when he was at UMW was working on a platform called peasy like is an easy peasy Yeah, that would basically box everything gathered is still available You could you could still get it he hasn't taken it down. It's available on github. It's available on the site Where but again, this is this is what's interesting to me in terms of the thought exercise is that if the Institutions are going to support it right because that's why I want to move away from individual effort right we as individuals find wax hard Right because if there's a there's a bunch of stuff that we're not Used to in terms of programming in terms of setup in terms of all these kinds of things Whereas we know how to click install on installatron for Omeca right, but what kind of support then do we need to Institutionally build because right now we're and and I talked about this in another article that I can I'll share in the chat You know because if you expand the thought exercise out right right now, we're spending millions of dollars on server space on IT professionals on Education technologists to support canvas Let's just say Well, what would it take then how much money would we save if we invested it differently in Terms of people who could support something like wax Right and that that's probably not a good example because wax isn't in LMS. It's a great. I'll tell you You got me more excited about a conference that I'm already super excited for so there though, but There's a guy in Australia. His name's Tim claptor and him and I know Tim. Yeah, you know Tim So like yeah, he wrote this blog post getting kind of to the heart of what you're talking about is How are we gonna take some of what we've off-loaded? Back on the campus and think of it in a way that's gonna kind of move us to towards a more efficient more practical Right more maybe localized small or minimal being more beautiful and part of that is kind of realizing that You know the off-loading that we're doing right now in the in the hopes of cost-saving and Efficiency is gonna cost us Significantly in the end. We saw that with Google pulling the bait and switch and saying oh, yeah Well, that's storage. We gave you for free. It's time to pay same with Microsoft. It will happen So I wonder if we're gonna start seeing a pendulum shift back to universities I hope reinvesting in those people and reinvesting in that process of bringing these small Focused apps and tools back on campus. There's obviously the challenge of paying them But I'm super excited about what you're talking about because I think that future of minimal also links to a new future of hosting Serverless kind of more streamlined in terms of flat structures are super easy to host So anyway, I'm excited about that company. Yeah. Yeah, and I'm just I'm you know, it's again. It's this Everybody could kind of just Say well, that's it's not gonna happen, right? Or there are all of these barriers or or or or but I mean we need to be we need to feed our imaginations To be able to have these ideas To be able to move forward with them really, you know, because they'll just you're right Yeah, like it's it's not gonna be easy, but if we don't have them then there's literally nothing stopping big ed tech And Shannon is interesting. I think it's easier now that I'm working at a big institution. Sometimes I think it's easier at small institutions Be well, no because like we are Serving at a place like Georgetown so many different constituencies within the institution and So it becomes it's like the LMS is the really easy answer For what business wants for what the medical school wants for what the college wants for what school of foreign services wants for what for what? everyone wants whereas it like Peezy something like Peezy that Chris developed would have never happened at Georgetown It really could have only happened at UMW where you have a smaller Need and a very focused need which is the digital liberal arts Right, so I think there's there's a bit of a trade-off there That in some ways it's easier and yeah in some ways it's harder because you don't have the resources But at a bigger institution, we have more resources, but we also have more people telling you what those resources need to be spent on Yeah, it's not about resources as much as it is like Supporting the vision of a small team or or individual person, right? Yeah So anyway, if that's I'm really I actually know I'm excited about it again because I'd like sort of forgotten Or I'm in the middle of planning our big conference right now on our campus So I'm like zoned in on that at the moment, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's I'm excited for this one It's a good point to and I've been I don't I like that Taylor's putting people on the spot So I'll throw you on the spot with the first streaming data API here soon because I'm fascinated by that especially with our own work with APIs But the point Transitioning and this is I hope those folks who come think about is on Monday, we're gonna kind of create an open forum for a several hours Where people can break out with a group of people and talk about this stuff. It's not structured But I think hopefully it will give us a little bit about what we're going here Like just listening to you Lee and getting excited about where this is going It's hard to just carve out that time to do it together. So That's the thing that I hope if folks can make it and I know time is always an issue Monday would be a space where we would do that And it would be free form We would decide to schedule people would vote for that with their feet and then we go from there So good plug for the un-conference which happens on June 5th on Monday Ben over to you API on top of all the hiking you're doing and deadlifting. You're also streaming API data Yeah, you know if it's um, it's alright. I mean first of all absolutely grateful and Yeah, really, I'm filled with joy to have to come to this conference for the first time and to be back in person Just to have that stimulation of spending time quality time offline in these kinds of conversations and already you're you know, I I don't even know What wax is right? I mean I just so this is gonna be great I mean, I know what candle waxes. I know what ear waxes I mean, I'm just saying so that's what came up when I put in I put wax LMS And it someplace was indicating where I could go get, you know, European waxing. That's thinking whoa So I don't know. This is all new to me Google does not have me down yet with you know wax at LMS. It's throwing everything out there All doors are open for business, but listening to You Lee and I don't think we've met I don't you're at Georgetown. Is that correct? Okay, so a larger institution definitely, I mean, I think that you know, and I'm at Skidmore so smaller private liberal arts college and By all means, I think you know the needs of your institution You are scaling your services to more much larger groups with a lot more needs maybe then based on our numbers in smaller environments and You know, I'd like to think that in my small office We are able to offer two sides of the ed tech coin One being that we use bright space and we also, you know have the domains and the community WordPress and Honestly, they both need each other to flourish and So while on the one hand, I am the first to Get excited when faculty come to me and say, you know, Ben I'd like to get outside of the LMS, you know, like Walden garden the kind of Environment and and then that gives me a chance to kind of off-record to bash on them a little bit, you know but I also you know privately have my thoughts about the you know, they kind of insatiable hunger capitalist greed behind a lot of these companies to profit off of the surplus that we create through our, you know web searches Increasingly now, you know, the big elephant in the room this this AI thing, right? You know trying to make sense of that But you know if I didn't have big ed tech it make it harder for me to also make the case for kind of the indie Way of doing things right or trying to spark creativity and curiosity in that way So I'd be interested in and also just talking about strategies to you know Not all together diss on big ed tech but kind of recognize their place in value in You know having two sides to that coin even though they do They do give me an upset stomach after a while, especially all the marketing crap. Anyway So, yeah, sure. Why not? Let me see if I can find my outline Jim So I'm working with a really awesome student who just he just graduated from Skidmore And he just got sucked up into a PhD program at Dartmouth He did this kind of dual major thing where he did part of his undergrad Here in Saratoga Springs and then now he's over and where is it Hanover or somewhere over there Lebanon Somewhere over there on the other side of the Green Mountains and So Yeah, let me see here. I mean, I think let me just talk a little bit about my part in the project So, you know, I'm I've always loved Learning from really the extended You know, that's not I don't want to say ed tech now I'm gonna say the extended ed tech friends, you know at reclaim in terms of guiding Certainly giving me some development as far as what's on the horizon You know, not just as you know, how do I do this? You know hook up a c-panel or a custom domain or all those things which I you know That's occasionally need some help with but just you know, this this notion of the cloud thing, right and understanding You know really understanding and again, I have very limited understanding here So don't don't laugh at me because I'm still working on I just literally created the outline Yesterday and shared with Alex who's the the student who built this this, you know, who used built this API right around using the reclaim cloud You know, so this idea of changing the hosting environment and and working with reclaim cloud To build this site and so yeah, this student came to us and you know Wanted to have really a lamp a patchy lamp web server, which we no longer provide, right? We don't do that in house and it and he wanted to build a website and it was different from setting up his own You know c-panel in trying to run what he was doing outside of that environment And so I approached reclaim cloud and you guys came up with this idea of you know Container rising an environment where you know, he could build this kind of big data hub of you know He's he's in physics. He built this website where really I think of it as kind of this This massive super calculator where in class they can access, you know, large data sets and Crunch numbers quickly to get some kind of interpretive direction. That's meaningful in their class and their studies in their research So so yeah, I mean that's really I wish I had more to say I mean I think from my perspective wearing lots of different hats. I mean I'm looking To this example as a means to bring a new service online to my liberal arts community, right? So to have a place where they can find support and a place for these projects that you know Aren't mainstreamed and they're still pretty new and exciting and so if you know We can offer here in our IT department a new kind of cloud computing service that you know doesn't use You know box or office 365 or you know and build some community and synergies around that and then that's great So they had to be continued on that. I hope Jim this And I love the plug-up reclaim cloud, you know, I'm not beyond begging you know that But Shannon would come into you now. I hope you're prepared see you and no one's gonna ever join a community chat again Like what you're putting me on the spot in the community, but I love that Taylor did it and I am gonna double down on it Yeah, I'm actually working on the PowerPoint for the It's yeah, I mean if you want To see the scenes how do I share my screen and done this in Jitsie I want to show like select window or screen screen. How do I know which one? This screen is everything so if you have to look at another tab, then it'll we'll see that as well I'm screen one. I have two screens. Okay. No screen to All right, I can do this. I swear you can allow even you. All right Yeah, it's it's we just Cartland I so I'm working on this with Cartland virtue is the director of the Digital Knowledge Center So so Jim to actually this this presentation is kind of inspired by many of your past presentations where You you're like, okay, I want to talk about the work, but I don't want to be too serious about this So what ridiculous framework can we put upon it? So as we were thinking about the work we do in the DKC with the whole idea is that We this is like a pyramid scheme out MLM We're trying to sell like the approach we do with teaching students about digital things. So It's gonna start like our approach is It's definitely not a pyramid scheme workshop. So let's see if I can kind of So definitely not and then there'll be a bit cross not bad. You know, it's actually a tried-in approach. Oh You know, you should see you are featured. So, you know, we talked about the gym. I'll talk about the jam It's actually more like a band jam But seriously, it's this but yeah, that's kind of We're we're it would you know, it's rare that you get to use PowerPoint to actually intentionally create bad-looking PowerPoint So we're kind of having a little fun with that So, yeah, it's it's a little outside of like this. It's a kind of a wild card But the work that we do is just like how do you get students to actually Engage in thinking about these things and it's something I'm passionate about like, okay We can be practical and like I can know how to make domain one's own work But how do you actually get students to want to be there and get excited to do projects and expose them to different ways? Just being technologically confident and empowered. So that's that's what we do So we're trying to we're gonna have outfits and everything we're gonna try to sell people on our you know amazing That and that's the hard thing right like the technology around domain of one's own is Let's call it proven right late existed for a long its trailing edge, right? But like getting folks to interact with it in a way that builds their confidence is there is the hard work in my opinion And so yeah, really excited to see that Yeah, I mean, it's been like we who's weird we had like this revelation So like, you know, I didn't really talk about what's in there But like workshops like this was something a student came to one of our consultants came to us and like they want to run workshops So it's like the students are proposing the workshops. We help them figure out how to run a workshop So it's not like we are doing this work. The students are proposing it and developing it We are just doing the guiding of like how what's an effective workshop, right? You know because that's the part they often don't know they know a lot about what they're passionate about But they might not know how to get there So that's like where we as the full-time staff kind of step in and then we also will talk about this the marketing machine That actually goes into how do you get people to show up to yourself? so Marketing machine indeed. I would love to hear of your it to see if you've solved on campus communication We've actually been pretty successful. I'm yeah, it's it's it's basically put things everywhere But that's and this is it I you know I harp on this a lot in the discord But like the value of having students who work for you means like we figured out the process and we go okay Now you're in charge of like making sure this gets to all the places So that it doesn't become something that we have to occupy or time with and then students feel empowered So it's all part of the scheme Get students to do the work for you. I Just think that's the brilliant frame. I I love the scheme frame and playing it like you're at a sales meeting Convincing people. This is the way if you want to make a quick buck in it This is the way indeed the a couple of other ones that are coming that I'm excited about and they're not here But the idea of surveillance that Amy Collier Tom Warburne and Brian Lamb will be talking about There is there may be but I can't confirm it that I a 90s living room that might pop up at some place In this it's like a flash mob but with furniture Yeah, and there might even be an operational 90s Computer which will give you that experience Which I'm super excited about it. It's plus it's gonna be really interesting Many of us here Shannon myself Lee like we spent a lot of time at UMW and I've spent less time in that building than the both of you But I'm very interesting to go back into that space and just be with a group of people because you know It's it's kind of like a going home for reclaim if you will right like there is part of that So I am super excited about it My daughter is trying to convince me to take her just because she wants to freak everyone out Because we haven't been there in like five six years And so she went for me in a ten-year-old following me around on snow days to a 16-year-old Who does not really resemble who she used to be and I said no I'm not taking out of school for three days for this but yeah, she's This is the only reason she's like I don't want to go to UMW for school because everybody knows you there But she says I will do a campus tour to freak everyone out Like sure enough My kids kind of remember it as children right because we moved my oldest was 10 When we moved away and so they're kind of like fascinated by it because it's part of their childhood But me too like to go back onto a campus that you know, you spend a decade on and then return It's interesting, you know, and plus it's great like OER 23, which is a conference. I mentioned at the beginning Was one of the first conferences I've gone to recently that was back on a campus And having it on the campus actually made a difference versus maybe in a hotel or in a conference room or It felt like there was something about that. So I I imagine That might be one of the you know indirect benefits of going back to a campus So I'm going to jump in here. I'm not presenting but I'm here Representing onica Will be presenting and we'll be there Um, I wish I could be there But we're sending onica And she's got two presentations One is on the tech bar And one is on our domains camp, which we launched This last winter and so she's got a poster session on that and We are hoping to recruit other colleges to also host a domains camp this august. So we kind of have this idea of Our in january it was a pilot and now we want to pull in a few others Hopefully to host them Around the same time so we can do some partnering kinds of things as well So she'll have a poster for that and we were just talking about her packaging kind of All of the materials and stuff that she put together for that and having little kits that people can take with smores included for that so Looking forward to that and Yeah, just a request to those that will be there to take onica under your wing I know that she's a little nervous traveling by herself Um Doing this kind of thing, but shana it sounds like you you're at university mary washington Yeah, i'll be glad to show anybody around So I mean the building at the conference will be in so it's very convenient Describing it sounds like the two of you Might have some similar roles and responsibilities in your work. So Yeah, take her under your wing if you don't mind and I'd be glad. Yeah, I actually I ran into that site for the first time the domains camp It's like this is a brilliant idea. We should steal it. So i'm glad to hear that you want to partner because We should partner That would be so great and I know li just jumped off but um I definitely want anica to connect with li as well because she had done um Another uh, it was like a pier Um Well, I forget what she called it, but she had spun up some other thing while she was I think at university mary washington that I wanted Student beta testers kind of that's what it is. Yeah, are you still doing that? No, there was it was one of those things that Once li left and then there's a lot of tone turn over and that it just Went kind of went away and was not something we could really sustain. Um, so and then Well, I know that monday is kind of an unconference, right or the first day of the conference is kind of an unconference thing No, that might be something interesting worth talking about again Yeah, the domains camp stuff. Um, I'm excited to for folks to see that session Well, I'm excited for them to see all the sessions and the tech bar one too, but um You know, uh christy and I talked a little bit about the domains camp stuff Before and we were involved with that reclaim helping with some of the content and um the um It would be really cool to see a kind of network of schools kind of run with that I think that would be awesome. Maybe maybe it's a future community chat topic too like depending on what you all want to do With it and I also wanted to just tie in what lee was talking about the domains camp site itself is also just a bunch of static files, um, which is Not really the point, but like it is itself a minimal site. So that's kind of cool I think one of the last things worth mentioning in this in this kind of prelude preview what have you is, um We're actually This we will have an entirely virtual event The following month in july, which will run throughout the month It will feature Recordings from the session with the approval of the people who gave them So it will allow us to kind of revisit those talks have dedicated. We're going to have a keynote speaker Um, olia lielina who's a net artist Um from europe who's amazing actually originally from russia moved to europe I just love her work. Um, so she'll be doing one of the keynotes I am also very interested in reaching out to um ian and having him keynote to talk about the work that what's happening with proctorio and all of that stuff Which I really want to and I actually i'm gonna reach out to him today So he's not even hearing this yet So if you in look for an email if you watch this, but you won't But the point there is one of the things I think we're excited about and You know a few of us behind the scenes are working on is trying to Use discord for those of you who can't make it christy or anyone else to make everything Streamed and truly hybrid As part of the class we're not promising it as the event because it is purely an experiment like most of the stuff We do and we don't want to like say this is going to be great sign up do this And not but it is going to be integrated and then that work is going to be kind of Organized and pushed out more broadly in july But we're going to try and create a fully hybrid event even on the down low as an experiment So we'll be interested that's something just for our own sake. We're interested in trying um The other piece here that you'll see in the schedule is that there's these slots for documentary elements And that's because we're going to try during this event to capture people talking Online or face-to-face About some of the work they're doing and about the moment to create not only in the moment Documentary that we play at the end of the conference But also to take that raw material and produce it later on to hopefully preview in july or beyond So it's also we're trying to archive and capture um The work happening there and the thought people are doing and i'd be interested that's going to happen on the day of the Unconference the day of day one and as much of day two as we can get before it goes live, but um That's another piece if you're wondering in the schedule like what's this documentary thing We're going to be you know asking people to participate And actually do interviews And we try and capture pieces that we can use in the moment But then later on of course with their approval. So that's happening too We have we're pretty ambitious. I I imagine with what we're doing now so if you want to mark out time on your schedule to Specifically come to one of those Yeah, i'm i'm really excited to see what we can do with the with the the documentary. I think that's going to be really fun and um Especially to hopefully capture some of the tone and energy right and and kind of Encapsulate that and preserve it or you know share it with folks who couldn't be there in person um, and yeah the hybrid stuff like like like jim said like we're We're not announcing it broadly because we we really don't want to Disappoint anybody if we have you know network issues or something right but um, but um, I think we've got a pretty good plan for that And I think it's going to be a Pretty good experience. I'm very excited about it. So You know jim, uh, if I could just jump in here and you talk about the documentary it just I had this flashback Do you remember the nmc used to do the five minutes of fame? I do for that. I mean it just I wonder if even Plant the seed in attendees minds to say you know or Just say I mean so I for example if I were to ever be interviewed by this I'm going to be thinking about something I'd want to share kind of like that You know, so not a lot of preparation. It's just that's just the idea I had you know I like that capture capture a session called the three minutes of fame or I don't know That's just popped into my head. So by the way, I just I found my nmc t-shirt from 2000 I think it was when they were in princeton. So this was weird I get to the point when I go through my wardrobe and my wife says you got to throw some stuff out And I still have my my ds 106 t-shirt and I will bring that It may have a hole in it, but I also found this nmc from princeton And it was a really sad moment because I thought all right now. It's going to make its way into the do-it-yourself wardrobe Um, but what a way to go out right, but yeah five minutes of fame. I think that was that was fun, too absolutely and I remember that nmc. I wasn't there, but I had heard about it, but I think shannon also has the gong That jerry right jerry actually. Yeah jerry. That's jerry remembered five minutes of fame We did a five minutes of fame event yesterday for our faculty inspired by yes that that so it was so much fun We actually borrowed a gong from the music department. It was We got a giant gong It was great. That is brilliant The other thing i'm hoping for at his conference is eric to finally see you and meet you in person I don't know if you're coming. I don't know what your situation Thank you for putting me on the spot. Uh, I'm gonna have to disappoint you on that case though, uh, sadly, but um Yeah, everything that you're mentioning. Uh, all the feels certainly for those old nmc Get togethers in the summers. Um, we actually had one come up this way to rochester in 2016 If we're the big collapse and you know, just dispersal and going away. So, uh, yeah I'm just a you know first time caller big fan Uh of reclaim ed tech and all the crew And uh, you know general cheerleader, uh, because I don't actually manage Any anything uh in the way of their of a reclaim property here I'm more on the it side of things, but uh, I do Learn a heck of a lot professional development wise because I do instructional technology support as an it person so Yeah, I'm gonna miss out at the shindig um In fredericksburg, but we'll be probably There every step of the way in the july hybrid event So I will be your your your taste tester or person who will take advantage of that For the follow-on I was gonna say we'd love to see you in july You might see me virtually I'll I'll poke my head into any video camera or feed coming Coming along, uh, certainly during the event, but uh july you'll definitely you know, see me Take advantage of everything that you do And your participation has been amazing like throughout I've said that several times, but like we really appreciate it So thanks. I I am the cheerleader, you know in general. I'm bedsman. Whatever you want to call that I I am part of the person. I am the people that provide the quorum so the event can start Shannon to your point. Um, the timelines for show and tell Um, yeah, I I I agree with pilot answer Right. Well, yeah, right now the timeline's pretty flexible. I don't think we've set a hard and fast end date, but Yeah, put something in I We're recording so I'll say it out loud to Uh, shannon asked about the timeline for submitting for show and tell Uh That she wants to make something but isn't sure if she'll get to it We don't have a hard and fast timeline yet put in the proposal anyway. You can always Email us later and say actually no, I'm not gonna be able to do it Yeah, the the show and tell portion the art displays and show and tell is Kind of flexible, right because it all happens at one time So we don't have to worry about like rearranging the schedule to fit you in so, um I'd say get it in. Yeah cool Any other things you feel like we should address or questions folks have i'm trying to think um Anyone's thinking about what they want to talk about on the day zero the end. Oh, yeah Yeah, I'd be curious to see if anyone's thinking the unconference stuff I do I I want to talk about obviously I always want to talk about the domain's api with anyone who will listen But also about some of the stuff we brought up with minimal computing and whereas server infrastructure going Um, I'm always willing to talk about the cloud and stuff like that But I don't know. I mean I love it. I was at an unconference in Vancouver northern voice was the first one I went to in 2007 called moose camp And it was great because people just sat around and they For like half an hour 40 minutes proposed topics They put the yellow post-it notes and they kind of had times they put it in and then people just decided throughout the day That's where they were going to talk and then people just hung out and talked and it was very loose Right, it's it's just about like having conversations and giving a topic to start But it really I found it really invigorating to just loosely be able to give an a loose structure to meet people Talk to them about stuff. A lot of those conversations I had were over a coffee. So, um, I really liked it I hope it works if it doesn't that's another thing we experiment with and learn from so Yeah, I I have a bunch of topics. I'll shut up you guys Well, I have one it's right out there. I mean, I'm interested in this this AI thing AI literacy You know, I'm interested in getting you know students to to like, you know Experiment and build and tinker with AI right like kind of this assignments idea And I'd love to have a workshop in here. I mean we we have a third of our faculty who don't they think of AI and you know, maybe they saw the terminator in 1984 or whenever that came out but You know about a third have no idea what is about a third or terrified of it and ready to retire And then the other third are excited about it, right? And so I don't know that's just I would be interested in knowing if people have thoughts on that You know beyond the big ed tech hype. I mean realistically Let's try to create stuff with it or at least understand certainly its limitations, right? But there might be a place for it Yeah, I would I would agree. I'm interested in that too. I'm really interested in like specifically the How do we talk with students about it is kind of like my Maybe biggest area of interest of like How can we you know, this is a reality? This is a technology that exists and is going to keep existing and how do we Help folks come to terms with what it is and how to use it responsible responsibly And use it in a way that doesn't just seed all the control to the largest players in the space too, right? Like it was brought up before like the the like leaked google memo where they were kind of like We have no moat the open source models are already here and they're already better in some ways And I'm kind of looking at that being like cool So how do we how do we capitalize on that and you know Make sure that it's You know, there's so many things to the ai conversation in terms of like What it the positives and negatives and and who it empowers and who it doesn't and and so that's important but how do we have those conversations in a meaningful way in Educational settings is kind of what I'm interested in. How can we get faculty thinking about it critically? And students thinking about it critically beyond like the plagiarism conversation I think not that that's not important to talk about but I think that's Very surface level right now and we have to go deeper with it Yeah, I mean certainly in terms of you know, if it's going to help students build websites Or if there are things you can create using images, you know our audio and video I mean, I mean, I know there's the creepy aspect of it But I mean realistically I don't want to go to bed at night feeling depressed that all right, you know If you build websites and you're trying to help people build websites I mean that that skill need may go away. Just like we don't really have blacksmiths anymore, you know, I mean that You know, so I guess what I'm trying to say is it would be it would be great To think about are there ways to not just of course the ethically to use it But to creatively use it and to really, you know, feel good about it and celebrate like wow This is me in my time a 20 year old and check this out like I you know, I generated this or I Helped I prompted the creation of this and here's where it's great and here's where it sucks I mean trying to tease that out Well, and there's so many so many paths to go down there, right? Like you can You can imagine like I'll just say like like the little bit I've played with chat gbt I can tell you it knows a lot about php and wordpress like What what about some future version of these things where you can describe the The the design changes you want to make to a site and it can help you with that that could be really awesome and what is that What are the negatives of that technology? Like what are the considerations to make? How could we empower people with it? I think that's a potentially a positive thing to talk about, you know So yeah, I'm really interested There may or may not be an art piece around AI that May be of interest to some folks. So stay tuned. I don't want to give away anyone's thunder, but um, I'm I'm also interested in and we'll see, you know, if if other folks want to talk about this, but um, I've been doing just a ton of stuff around site archiving lately, especially but honestly since I was at s and c like in Like it's been something that always interested me of like, how do we take these Complex websites and make them simple And and host them in a sustainable way and I think that's possibly really related to some of the other things we're talking about throughout the conference And I don't know. I don't know if I like I'm curious to see What people's needs are in that space and what people's challenges are like um, I've kind of put a script out there that helps use some of these tools But it's, you know, the tools themselves are really imperfect in a lot of ways And um, I'm also I'm curious to see what people are doing in that space Yeah, that's a great topic definitely Yeah, the the librarian that does the web archiving here is gonna come to the conference because she wants to She wants to talk about this because it's not only just technologically. It's like the ethics like how do you Especially if you're a library, you're really thinking about like do I have permission to do this especially student work and It's a group project and all these kinds of the long-term kind of implications of archiving And who owns what? sure Well, and even like the different contexts like like chain and you and I have talked a little bit about like like When when you say the word archive, it means very different things to different people like to me A person who works at reclaim. I'm thinking about like, okay How can we take this system and retire it and preserve the content in a different way? Whereas a librarian like a or a digital archivist is thinking Way longer term than that in a lot of ways that Kind of sometimes blow my mind where they're talking about like like bit rod and like the sun flipping bits and data And I'm like, oh my god. I don't know. I had like good luck with that. I don't know um, but like That to me is fascinating, but also sort of itself Kind of shows why this is so complex is because we're trying to fit a lot of needs into one thing that at least I use the word archive to describe but like there's maybe more accurate or or uh specific terms you could use but um, it's a big question It's interesting. We just had a conversation with someone at the University of Houston who's talking about data structures and doing a lot of like Not leading with the app but leading with structures and data And I'm sure you do. Don't let me hold you up Shannon big fan. You know that but One of the things she said that I was fascinated by was like um Not only are they dealing with data structures, but if you're a librarian one of the things they want to know is like What's your digital plan? Like when you come for retirement? Like what's your digital long-term management plan? Like I want to know like it's almost like what's your portfolio like how are you going to retire? Like how are you going to retire all these things you've brought? And it's one of the things that Like librarians really have to bring to the fore now about like what their approach is and what's their kind of um Way of dealing with these large archives that they might create and then have to retire It's fascinating that that's not even just part of the job market. Well, and Think of how much we could learn from taking that approach and apply it to almost any project management right like like if you're going to spin up a service In my opinion, you need to consider before you even start the end of it, right? Like, okay If we're going to host this thing do this thing whatever what happens when we're done with it And we don't want to and what form does that take not that you can answer every question ahead of time, right? But like I think that's the responsible way to do it Is to consider what forms could this work take when we're done with This version of it, you know It's not an easy thing to think about but I think it's an important thing to think about Yeah, definitely I mean especially like part of my group the second part of it is you know learning experience design And digital scholarship support, right? I mean there's that digital in there for a reason I mean most people don't go into projects saying, okay Well, here's we we estimate the half life that this project is and Eventually it will need to be retired at this time. That's kind of a buzzkill, right? But how do you bring that into the conversation early on? Instead of like we've got a couple sites where we're still paying like a hundred dollars a year for some awesome map being plug-in But honestly might even be more than that. But I mean at some point It's a great site that was built But you know who are we to come in and say well, you're gonna have to either pay the bill for this or you know We need to retire the site, you know, maybe it could live offline Somewhere, right? We're not going to print it out But digital still I think in a lot of mines maybe in mine mine means online and that means permanent You could fax it on request, you know It's like how can we how can we earn some bitcoin out of it, right? Call this number ask for ted and he'll fax you a copy of all the pages you want. It's that's the strategy easy installments of Now that's sustainable Yeah That's not going anywhere. So Um, cool. Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop the recording. This is a great conversation as always. So thanks everyone