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All right enjoy this podcast Yeah, you know, I know we've we've messed around about talking about maybe doing this without headphones So it's better visually. I'm gonna be honest with you You know, I love it You know the scene in the matrix when when Neil's about to learn like kung fu and every other martial art And they they stick that thing in his back of his head. Yeah When I put these headphones on bro Yeah, I'm on speaking of them in the matrix Mark Wahlberg just came out with a new one That is kind of like totally biting off the matrix. So you guys might like it. I lost me because I was like, yeah, it's not original really Yeah, it's called Infinity I think something like that you guys haven't seen it. Let me guess. He's a cop from Boston. He's kind of Every movie Him and Matt Damon. Yeah team up. Yeah, I want to watch that movie boss What's that movie that? We're we're waiting for it to come out. It's Tom Cruise in it. It's like the future. No, it's that dude that you like What's his name? Come on that actor from do the Justin likes, you know I'm talking about is that one actor that Justin's always like if I if an actor ever played me in a movie. Oh, yeah Yeah, I know you're talking about Yeah, why can't it work Chris? No, no, but it is a Chris. No, no, no It's a Helmsworth what happened to all of us to all of our brains fall out of our This is so weird He's from Guardians of Galaxy. Thank you. Yeah. Oh Pratt Pratt. Thank you Chris Pratt. It's the movie where it's gonna be coming out like next week or the week after where People from the future go back in time to get more humans to fight the aliens. Yeah, it looks you future war So my god, it looks really good. I know I'm actually into that I saw the trailer for that I'm pumped dude to watch that and he's in it. So I like him too I like him preview for that. You haven't seen that. I don't I don't know if I have what's it called Dugs about to pull it out. Oh, there's no, this is the one that that's the Walberg one. That's where infinite. Where can you watch that by the way? My app all know Paramount is the streaming but through Apple you could you could buy it. So I bought it through Apple I want to watch it What that when I was talking about I don't know tomorrow war tomorrow war that looks really good, dude Tomorrow war tomorrow so off with tomorrow. Yeah, dude I got to share this with you guys because it's Just you guys know it's been a struggle with the baby sleeping and yeah, I don't share just how much of a struggle it is but And the reason why I'm bringing this up by the way is, you know, Father's Day just passed and I got so many DMs from Dads saying how much they appreciate us talking about being dads. Hmm. I don't know. Do you guys get a lot of DMs like that? I do. Yeah, I got a few they're pretty cool Yeah, and I feel it's really cool to hear that I guess there's not a lot of resources for dads to hear other guys who are you know Dads who take it seriously or whatever. So I'm like I should share this because When you first have a baby it can be really challenging with sleep And then when you have when you're sleep deprived, which Jessica is bearing the brunt of that, right? Oh my god Yeah, sleep deprivation is it's a tool and that they use in interrogation because it just it literally will break down all your Form of torture. It's terrible, right? So we've been it's been very challenging and Adam always says his quote on the podcast. He said it a hundred thousand times It's one of the best quotes. I've ever heard and you say one of your biggest strengths is also your greatest weaknesses. Yeah, right? This is a great example of that because you don't also said that Strength is biggest with I'm not gonna do it So Jessica's great one of the things that makes her so special is and why she be when I first started dating her Why she was such an incredible stepmom is that she's Extremely empathetic and very very sensitive. So she's just so maternal But that also makes it so challenging when she hears her baby cry, right? She can't handle it. So if he cries It's like so hard for her because she feels it and her bones, right? So she has to go to him right away. And so It's been very very difficult because he's now at the age where He has to cry a little bit to kind of figure out how to soothe himself So we finally hit this kind of breaking point and I said to her I said, please let me just take over and what I need you to do is Leave the house Because what ends up happening if she hears him crying, right? She comes upstairs after 10 minutes and has to like do something well You know what makes that harder too is that they're in of course, you know that both you know this because you have kids Already, but I remember when before max was born when you start like researching like strategies on like Sleeping and raising your kid and feeding all these like there is literally like a million different philosophies And so hundred percent, you know, like maybe you are like, oh, we need to cry But then I bet she can probably defend it with some article that she read that said, oh, no Yes, and I agree so kinds of books You have it. No, we have it nailed down and you have to do this method You're right so I don't I'm we both don't subscribe to leave your kid and let them cry until they figure it out thing because You it definitely I can understand this it would feel like they're being abandoned like they're just sitting there crying by themselves Eventually they just fall asleep out of exhaustion I'm not I don't do that But what I do and I remember this when my son when my oldest was 15 I remember when he was a baby he would have challenges sometimes sleeping and what I would do is I would go in there I'd pick them up and he cry and squirm in my arms and I would just provide a safe space I would just hold them I'd let him squirm let him cry wouldn't let him hurt himself And he had to like work out that energy and then eventually he knows I'm there obviously I'm touching him But I'm not talking to him. I'm not like shaking him or trying to like I'm just providing that space and it would work So what I did with him in which you know come in my wife for having the courage to do this because it's really hard for her She went outside. I took the boy. I said all right We're gonna lay down together So I laid down and I put my arm around him put my hand on top of them and of course He's like ah, you know after about 10 minutes though, you know He starts to kind of in between the cries you can hear him start to settle down Yeah, settle down falls asleep Then I pick him up put him in the bed and I purposely allow him to wake up because you also figure out how to fall asleep on his Own right put my hand on his chest. Yeah, again crying crying about five five seven minutes falls asleep I've now done that four times in a row and it's getting like better and better So we're like turning the corner and so I'm like, oh, thank you honey for letting me Let me try that. Yeah, because really hard like if he cries Boy, does that you know and again, I know that That is her. It's one of her what really makes her special. She's like when she talks to kids She understands kids. She knows what they're feeling. She really did. I mean, I remember we first started dating She would talk to my daughter and I remember being like, oh my god Even think of that like you totally understand her Yeah, but also because she feels so much makes it really hard But now you guys were actually exploring even doing like a sleep specialist, right? Are you still gonna do that or what's your thoughts on that? Yeah? So we're gonna work with I don't want to talk about them yet because if they're good I want to give them props, right, but if they're bad, I don't want to give any props Throw some shade on yeah, so We'll see how it works, but you're definitely gonna do it. I didn't know if you're gonna do I know you guys talked about it. I didn't know if you came highly highly ranked. We got great referrals from other people So we're gonna try that So we'll see I'll let you guys know what's going on But I feel like we're turning a corner because he's starting to and the thing is he associates Because the only way he calms down with her is if he's attached to her and so then she takes him off He's like, ah, yeah, so I'm like, let me do this for a second Let me see if this this will work and it seems to be working. Yeah, so man good So dads and moms out there some light, you know in there this shit is hard dude It's hard but it's so revealing too like you said your biggest strengths are also your biggest weaknesses It's just one of those things it gets even more intensified when you have a little one like that that is a complete reflection of that Yeah, and you learn so much more than just that one thing like as they grow up You get starts revealing these other personality traits and things you see, you know, oh my god. Is that me? I didn't realize that was me I was talking to Courtney about this a little bit with you know the way Ethan acts and stuff and he's just He you know, he hams it up every now and then and he'll dance or something You know when we're in the grocery store and all this Where's he get this from? Do you do this all the time? I don't realize like it's like it's like a it's like a tick. I just start doing a show or whatever I'm just like I think that's the hardest part of being a parent is probably owning That that the kid is a reflection of you One way or another and all the way at there a even at the age that you're doing starts right away And you don't want to think that right now You're just like oh no, they're too young. No, they're already picking up on your energy and stuff like that And they are to these little mirrors of you and so owning that as a parent no parent wants to admit that good and bad Yeah, he's like my oldest son. Yeah, we all want to admit the good stuff like yeah, he got those smarts for me Oh, yeah, look at how fast yeah, but you never want to admit the bad shit Like my oldest son, right? He's 15 and he can be so fucking cynical like he'll break shit down And he's like super like oh well, yeah, that's cuz and it's annoying as hell But I it's like that's me dude right there. That's so me because I can be very cynical Yeah, as well, and then I'll try not to my tendencies to like push back and argue and debate But he also takes after me in this case. He'll debate until yeah, he'll never he'll never say he'll never submit No, he's he's and he's good at it He'll find angles and find ways to whatever so I just I'll step away because Jessica's like you know the harder you push The harder he's gonna dig his heels in the ground Which is just like Anyway, did you guys have good father's days? I did yeah, yeah, I actually spent it in a blazing Inferno Yeah, Palm Desert was hot right it was a hundred twenty three degrees. Oh my god I can't remember the last time I was in 120 plus no thankfully it was like dry heat So it's not it's not a bad thing to say I mean the heat that gets you yeah humidity I mean it is a humidity like for me that humidity makes me super uncomfortable But not to say 125 or 23 degrees is comfortable. It is not comfortable I mean you basically have to hide during the middle of the day from like one till four or five even like it's just like Too unbearable. Yeah, I remember living in Palm Desert because I lived there for a second And it's the difference between the shade and the Sun is like like it's unbearable. Yeah in the Sun It's like it's like you're in an oven. Yeah, well I mean even the pool itself like you'll just hang out in the pool You're not gonna hang out in the pool like it's Luria hot tub at that point And you're getting beat on by the Sun and I'm white and like it There's just lots of factors there that that just go against me now How are you sleeping because you're super sensitive to heat while you sleep? Yeah, so here's the thing I got the only deal I made with Courtney was if we're gonna go I get to control the thermostat So it was like Arctic cold in our room and I slept like a baby I slept so good, but yeah, so we were we were having a good time and I actually have a kind of a funny story Well, so one of the things though was that like I was so I had like fans go in the whole time And I remember when I was at home Like I don't have to have the fans run all the time because I have one of those rulers And so the pad on there is is all set to like my perfect temperature and all that and like so I have all these fans blown have like, you know the AC running like crazy and all that and I'm like Dude, I'm just wasting a ton of energy here. So it's like I got to get one You know for the Palm Desert place to my mother-in-law slept in our in our bedroom this weekend So she watched Max as we flew out of town and we get back I totally forgot about the whole my the way our rulers said no is it too cold well She was just like what the hell is wrong with your bed? Because one side is like a furnace like his Katrina keeps it at 95 and then mine's 55 She's like, I'm either sweating as haunted. She's like I'm sweating on one side of your mattress Or I'm freezing on the other side of the mattress that died laughing. I'm like, oh my god I totally forgot to shut those off so wouldn't have to she wouldn't have to deal with that. Yeah It's funny. It's almost like I I'm on like sleeping on otter pops the way that I sleep Yeah, like I have it like super cold and speaking otter pops. So did you guys know that? Costco has Alcohol versions of like otter pops. What did mine blow are they called otter pops? They called something different It's like the Kirkland Brand or whatever, but so they have vodka in it and so yeah, I indulge a bit You know, I went off the little dieting thing for a bit, but near the pool. I was like, dude It's so hot. I got to have something and then to have a popsicle with alcohol in it I'm telling you guys game changing. This is slowly turning into a drinking podcast It was fun. Hey, but however, I did see a picture of you with your shirt off that you showed me In the mirror. I only show you. Yeah. Yeah, what's up with that? Showed you my abs like a long time ago. That was in person I keep that close to me. Well, you're looking good, dude. I mean, I thanks, bro I'll tell that I'm gonna talk to Adam now for a second. He looks good Like a the aesthetics are coming through. Yeah, like whatever he's doing is definitely working. I would say Do you remember when we first started the podcast how we got real lean for the whole transformation? Yeah, yeah, he's about these about that lean almost about more muscle. Oh, yeah So yeah, it feels like I'm a little less skinny, you know, like that was the whole Reservation I had to getting lean the first place was just like I've done that before but I always feel like I get small And I hate that. I feel small now you you were at your cousin's wedding, but did you celebrate Father's Day? Yeah Katrina and I love her for this She she wanted she knew that I would want to be with Max on Father's Day So and I didn't I didn't arrange the flights The night of the wedding, which was the day before we flew back. I said, hey, you know, what what time are you getting us back tomorrow? She's like, oh, don't worry. We're we're flying out at seven o'clock. I'm like seven in the morning After a wedding like oh my god. So yeah, I was a little tired, but yeah, we were back early I mean I got back before Max's first nap and got to do our traditional thing where we listen to music And he cuddles all up next to me and stuff I love watching you with your son by the way I watched you when we're at the baptism you're so it's so good to see you with your kid He's so like he's so close to you. Oh, we're extremely close to a point Where I think that everybody gets a little bit jealous of the two of us because we're so tight And I and I want to believe that I'm gonna be able to keep this forever, right? So I'm as a dad I'm on this mission of like because everybody tries to say oh enjoy it Why last and then he just takes off and then he doesn't care about you anymore And I'm like no I want like I want him to like I want to be his best friend like so bad But then I was father at the same time too. So I'm not gonna just be a buddy, you know, it's hard It's hard when they get to the point where they like to do things on their own and be with their friends So my kids now so might you know 11 and 15, right? So they like they'll hang out with me, but then they want to go hang out with their friends Yeah, or I'll be like hey when they were real little it was I would just tell them hey Let's watch a movie together. Oh my god. So excited. Let's make pop now. I'll be like hey Let's watch a movie together. Oh actually I'm gonna be meeting up with my friends online and my daughter's like I'm not really into that movie and I'm like sad Man speaking of which dude Fatherhood, have you guys seen that with Kevin Hart? Yeah, I watch I don't know if I want to recommend it because Katrina Okay, so I watch it the while we are in the hotel room in Laguna, right and while I'm away from max And I think I think oh, bro terrible idea I'm like and we looked at it I saw it was trending like number one or one of the number one of the number one You know shows on Netflix right now So I tell Katrina. Oh, let's watch this. I Kevin Hart hilarious like I love his stuff So I get into watching it thinking that it's going to be this hilarious Film around fatherhood and thought this would be fun to watch right now, but Jesus it was like a rip your heart out It's it's there's definitely humor in it. So it's definitely funny It's got comedy. It's funny ish, but it's based on a true story. Did you know that? I didn't know that which makes it even more hard to watch. Yeah, that's really hard So I mean I'm not going to ruin the story because it literally tells you in the trailer But it's this husband and wife the wife. They have a baby the wife dies Yeah, that's how the movie starts. He is raising his daughter his infant daughter by himself And that's that's all I'm gonna say about it. Oh boy was that hard Yeah, because and then you see the challenge as he goes through and then the stereotypes As a dad and really made me think about how people view The capabilities of fathers versus moms. There was one scene that I was like, oh, that's exactly what happens because it happened to me before He's with his infant daughter hanging out and at least four people four people walked up to him. Oh, how cute. Where's mom? Oh, where's mommy? Oh, and has ever happened. It's happened to me when I'm just with the kids Oh, where's mommy as if I'm like some idiot Yeah, that baby's not alone with you for too long. Oh my god. Do you need help? I got this. Is mom close? Kick rocks. Do we need to call someone to help you out? Yeah, so but uh, boy, that was that was really it also highlights though I mean, I mean how many how many probably dads or fathers go into parenting though A kind of relax because they know they got a wife, you know, I'd be at first to admit that Knowing how capable Katrina is how much research she did on her own I'm a firm believer in how you do anything is how you do everything and I've seen the way she's Attackled every other part of her life. So, you know, I know that I'm like, I don't have to I don't have to worry too much I've got but I got a good team set up But I can't help to think that if that were to happen how did it happen to me Like, oh my god, would my life be flipped upside down because I lean so heavily Bro, I got hit hard with that when I got the divorce because all of a sudden I didn't have my ex-wife there being the mom, right? So it was just me the kids and at the time I was dating Jessica, but she wasn't Like I wasn't married to her yet And I didn't expect her to do, you know all the mom role and I remember taking on these new Rolls that I didn't take on before that was a learning curve, dude. Oh, yeah, you didn't even know how to do the laundry I well, no, that was that's when I was 20. Come on I knew how to do the laundry right this guy calling me up like, hey, bro What cycle do you put this on the GL bro? Yeah, it's like a thing, right? Oh my god. Hey, I want to give someone a shout out real quick So, you know, we've been getting giving police like stations. Yeah. Yeah, we got uh, there's a post office I got it's written up there new bedford, massachusetts downtown post office. They all listened to the show the post office Oh, no way So shout out to those to those post masters because you talk about their calves. That's that's funny That was probably that was in the dm. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're right. You're totally right about Yeah, we all have impressive cats. Yeah, we've all got really nice. Yeah, tell Adam from all this Well, it's like, yeah, man. Yeah, from all this, uh, you know, from all this walking Nice, I read into a couple uh listeners at the wedding. I thought that was really interesting, which I so ironically So these are this was family or friends? No. So, uh, well friends of my family, right? So my cousin Brett who the audience probably doesn't know this works for the company He works with my uncle Casey who's part of the marketing team on the back end And uh, you know, I just assume that if they know him, they know he works for mine pumps So I would assume that they would or you know, if they know who mine pump is that they would have made that connection But no, they did not and so three different times at the wedding, which was really small They had to which by the way, imagine this, right? So kovas are I'm going left and right here They have a wedding 200. I think 50 people planned because of kovid everything gets rescheduled shut down They have a hell of a time trying to get an approval to a place to have a certain amount of people and So this just keeps getting delayed and delayed and delayed and finally they're just like We just want to get married find a place that will accept us. So they found this place at laguna beach, which was amazing But then, uh 82 people was like the limit. So could you imagine? Okay having to narrow down Well, and not only that but you've already invited originally 250. Oh, so you're gonna send out d invites Imagine Just think about the stress that would cause a couple getting married Of course like and how do you make those cuts? Well, even just for me to in court We went through that of not inviting kids and like having to tell like, you know Some of her family members it has a lot of kids and then, you know, some of my family members That was that was definitely Challenging. Yeah, I can only imagine. What was it? What did they say to them? Like? Oh, so oh, I should shout them out because I'll at least the two I remember a raffle. Yeah Well adam made the cut so michelle and patrick were the the two people that I I met they were Awesome and so shout out to both of them But yeah, they they came up and you know, the everyone's always so polite when they want Do you mind if I ask you a question? Like, yeah, of course. Are you mind pump adam? Yes, I'm adam as that's me and she's like, oh my god I've been listening to show for and they go into this story telling me how long they've been listening to show And I think it's so funny and ironic because they're like really close to my cousin brett But I guess, you know, it's not like he's posting about mind pump on his social media So if you never knew that so this whole time these people have been listening to the show forever Not even connecting that with him and I are related now Now how does that because I've had experiences like that and there's been times where it didn't like it's all It's cool And then there's been other times where I start to feel self-conscious because now we're all hanging out and I feel like Am I there you're watching me? So when When this first started happening it would make me all weird Yeah, like when it first started happening it would make me feel weird I'm a little more comfortable with it now, right? I'm more comfortable And I think I'm more comfortable because of how much more we're established It was weird when the when the business was really brand new a lot of people didn't know what podcasting was Then you have this random person who's at you know Say they're a fan or a listener and then other people stand around like what what the hell is a podcast? What do you so because it's evolved so much we've been doing it that's happened now a few times Like and I really like I'm really happy for The the way that it all progressed for us. So, you know, I feel like it kept always kept me levelheaded It never made me feel like there was a moment of like, oh nobody knew us and then also and we're like famous It was like oh every once in a while in the fitness circle We'd meet somebody and then it started getting outside of that then it became when we fly some places And so it slowly happened and I think that Our listeners are very very similar to us like I think we share so much on the show That they're like people that we would hang out with Yeah, well the irony is funny because every time it's happened in my experience is it's never when I'm at the gym Like I've been to the gym a few times like hey, you know, like hey, I'm from here Nobody gives a shit, right? And then I'm eating and stuff in my face and drinking alcohol or something. Hey, man I listen to your show Trying to wipe it off Oh, this is uh, you've been watching me this whole time. This is low carb. Yeah Low carb. Yeah, that's great. So it was a nice wedding. Oh, it was beautiful. It's beautiful. They are right on the rooftop of this, uh, this hotel The inn at Laguna Beach And it was uh, it was beautiful viewing the the ocean and stuff like that and it was uh overcast all weekend I think called what june gloom over there very similar like over in the monorail area But I mean for photos I'm sure it's going to be amazing because like right dug in that like that overcast sometimes the best photos come out of that Right. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so I mean even and then it was all I'm in a suit So the fact that it was you know, it wasn't as hot as it could have been Did you get the fitted shirt? Is that what you were wearing? I on one of the nights. Yeah, I got finally got my is it a game changer Yeah, it is it makes a big difference. Yeah, because when you wear dress shirts, uh, if you're fit So you'll be more muscular, right? You have a smaller waist They don't make shirts off the rack for people shape like especially you you're such a wide shoulder. Yeah, I'm like I'm like a double xl shirt for my width and and shoulders and stuff Like a medium for yeah So all my all my you look like it's you're wearing a dress like a clown Yeah, I can't stand that's why you're wearing the vest like to kind of cinch it in that's actually exactly why I wear the vest a lot A lot of people ask me they're like, oh, man, you're really nice What's with the vest and stuff and part of the reason why I do that because I look I feel like I look sloppy In a it looks like I'm somebody who doesn't want to dress themselves because they're clothes It's all puffed out. Yeah looks like I have a dad who let me borrow his shirt. You know what I'm saying? It's like no, that's not what happened Or you like you lost a lot of weight But what it really is is just I've never I mean and I get the you know custom neck and everything else is that way But I've never gone and had the the waistline big difference. Yeah, it makes a huge difference Yeah, I've had to do that I did that the first time I did that was for my cousin's wedding And I was this best man and I said, hey, what the hell? Let me see if it like if what the deal is never again Well, I wear shirt if I'm going to a nice event if it's not that big of a deal I don't care Yeah Huge difference because you don't get that huge ballooning crap look at the bottom of your Your shirt, you know what I mean looks way way better, dude So I did have a funny story that happened like father's day this whole thing like it was supposed to be relaxing You know like the kids were were waking up helping trying to you know serve me bacon in bed and all this kind of stuff I'm like cool. Awesome And uh, so Courtney was was putting up new Framed pictures and so and they didn't really work out and so um before that had taken this huge thing of cardboard and and Basically, I couldn't throw it in in our community because like they they get all pissed off if you put like a bunch of like big Amounts of trash in there that everybody puts in at the same time. So I'm like, uh, whatever, you know I guess I'll go find some random dumpster to throw this in. That's a little by the way Yeah, so allegedly I did this and um, I have a friend He's telling the story about someone this guy looked real similar to me It was like driving this truck and uh through this alley that I found. Oh, well this guy found this dumpster and and took it and threw it in there and You know, cool. Everything's great drove back And Courtney's like, oh my god, this isn't gonna work Like these look cheap because they weren't glass finish and was like, I'm not happy with these whatever like where'd you put the Cardboard and I was like well, I got rid of it. You know, you told me to get rid of it. I got rid of it And she's like, oh my god, I really hate to do this, but I need it. No I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. Like it's still 120 degrees like like everything is a pain in the ass It's middle of the day and I'm like, dude really like, all right, you know, I'll be Whatever, I'm gonna be a good husband. I'm just gonna take this one for the team and like, okay, I'm gonna go back And it's one of those dumpsters. It's like it's you have to climb all the way in Oh my god There's no way and and not only this like so there's there's a store Right next to it that that was with furniture and so it was like cleaner and all that like the dumpster I went on the side of the restaurant. Oh, that's the worst dumpster. So you have like all this Chinese food and shit dude sauce Beer like spilled on it and and and I'm like, look here. I'm like, dude, this is no She's like, can you grab it? And so I had this broom and I'm trying to scoop it out And and then my arm got on the top of it and it's 120 degrees. So the whole thing he did Dude, I got like almost had a third degree brother I'm I'm not getting it in and I just I refuse and then I'm like, you know what? Like I know this one place. So there's this consignment store that always has Uh cardboard and and they're like smart and they're even like hey, you are a problem solver So I'm like, this is where we're going and so we go and and I'm I'm on my way And so we kind of like drive around in the back and we're like grab it and I feel so weird. I'm dumpster diving Like that's my day. That's what I'm doing. I'm dumpster diving today. Happy father's day. Happy father's day Grab it throw it in the truck. We're like, oh my god. This is so stupid. We're making jokes about it And like this is really this is where we are now, you know, we're dumpster diving And I think taking garbage from dumpsters is illegal too. Anyway, continue Again, this is all hypothetical. Is that true? I think so. I think if I think They can't and nobody's gonna care. They offer it usually when I'm there though to like pack that can't be true I know that you're furniture to make sure dumping. I know dumping in other trash cans is illegal, but not taking out Yeah, yeah, I think it is because people still technically your property and people no people will steal uh do like identity theft stuff Nobody cares. Oh, I didn't think okay. That's a good point If you ever see someone go a hypothetical story, but so I I get back in the truck and We're making jokes and and I get back onto the the freeway there We'll live the road and and I start driving away. We're like, ha ha. Have a good time It flies out of the back until I forgot like that It just like took form and just flew out and and I started laughing I pull over And I start running to go get I'm in flip-flops and I'm just like running to go get it And then it moves and I'm like, oh shit and then I wait and then a fucking bus just Runs right over it smashes the whole thing and like So like part of it I could still use and so I'm like dragging it back to the truck and we get back and Oh my god, like everything that went wrong could have gone wrong. Now. Were you able to return everything? Did it work? So eventually I like cut it, you know pieces and like made sense of it and it actually worked So oh my god. Yeah, so there is some some lights and then added it's a hundred and twenty something degrees too on top of all that Yes, dude. It's so anyway, so she's she's like, oh, you won for that. Running and flip-flops has to be the most unmanly Hey, what you know what you never what so what was the gift remember we got we never got a chance What'd you guys get from the wives? What was your you had a box that you were waiting to open and we never talked about it on the show You never told us. Yeah, that's right. Is it uh podcast appropriate? Oh, okay. Yeah, she got me. Yeah I have another story. Yeah, I was gonna say he was like hesitating to say to like Another story. Oh, it was a big penis pump. You finally found one that fits. Yeah, I know it's like you could get bigger Yeah, so I got a back to our leather backpack And so it was really cool. I was stoked on that but yeah, no when we when we first got to the airport And landed I was there. I was there with with Ethan We're like waiting for our bags and all that stuff and and Courtney went on to to go ahead to make sure and get the rental car and I'm like, oh good And so we found the bags and and so I'm grabbing all of them and and Ethan's kind of dragging His bag and and and Courtney's bag And we're waiting there for for the shuttle to arrive and he's like dad Mom's bag is buzzing. Oh, what was bags buzzing? I was like my whole face like turned white I was like, how do I respond to this? Was it the toothbrush? Yeah, it was a toothbrush. Is it toothbrush? That's happened to me before Oh, it's like He's like scrambling to like try and find I'm like, no, don't find it. Let me that daddy find it Daddy, you know, that's happening. You know what's bad is that that makes your guys's hard stop Which means you guys take your sex toys with you so many different Well, it's not that that wouldn't even come to my mind. I'm not having if like my bag was vibrate I'd be like that's strange. I wonder why it's vibrating But you guys travel with your sex toys so much that that's the first thing that comes to me That must be my double-sized vibrator. That's inside. What do you think worst-case scenario? Yes, it's just it's just an honest thing. It's not that I travel I'm not saying she does That's what I thought it could have been that I'm very pro sex toys I don't give a shit I wouldn't travel with them because it goes through the x-ray So you imagine the guy or girl looking at the x-ray machine and it goes through What does that look like on the x-ray machine? Remember when we flew back from LA with Sex with Emily? Oh, yeah, remember that was the same time that they did the whole inspection on me and everything Oh, that was perfect Hold on a second, for a bit of time Did they get a thorough inspection? Yeah, I had one in the bag Now luckily mine was like that like cute little wee vibe and it was like a giant dildo that was flying back Which what is this sir? You know, so it was like it looked like a gift from my wife So it was like, okay, you know that or you're just getting used to using it. Yeah, there's new rings, you know biohacking rings Biohacking I read it Ben Greenfield puts everything in his butt So what did you get well, uh, so Katrina actually, you know, it's funny was um, or like the list midweek or so We had that episode where we talked about I told you guys how I send her stuff all time. She doesn't give a shit So I totally know she heard that because I know she pivoted so Yeah, she totally pivoted. I think originally the plan was to uh, Give me a massage down at the beach while we were down in Laguna or whatever But our schedule was so tight that wasn't going to work out very well anyways And I literally heard her listening to that episode So I she actually I've been trying to get Justin to get these chrome hearts And so she's been trying to track those down for some their sunglasses that are really hard to come by Yeah, they're super cool. Yeah, and uh, so she actually tracked them down and I haven't received them I got the the here's they're on their way type of She ordered That's how I know Oh, totally my 100% Katrina is definitely like that that in the well, I am too though So it works out great that we're both terrible with that stuff Which is why normally for holidays Her and I just agree like let's plan something cool for each other and do it that way because the gift thing is sometimes No, I got Jessica got my car detailed So someone showed up and that's a big deal for me because you guys know how I am with washing my car I was gonna say because you're really into cars. Yeah, no, so no, but I like it when it's clean I really enjoy it. So she got that all detailed then her and the kids all cook dinner for me together She also bought me that That that thing that we're gonna hang up in here. It's mickey's gym mighty mix. So this is mickey from rocky So she knows what a big that's you know, rocky fan. I am so that that's pretty cool Oh, also, I want to tell you guys this did you guys know? I don't know if it's going to be In regular circulation, but I went into my butcher box and added on filet mignon. Did you guys know they have filets now? Yeah, so I know you're a huge filet fan. Okay, so I haven't had them yet I'm gonna be on on that immediately. I haven't had them yet. We're having them tonight But they're the six ounce like center cut fillets. Oh, you already got them coming No, I have them already. I just haven't cooked them yet. So we're defrosting right now So I'll let you guys know wrap that in bacon call it Did you ever go get this sous vide or have you guys not do you not use that? It's so funny you brought Okay, so we were talking Literally jessica's friend came over and I was talking about the filets I'm like, oh, they came because the butcher box came the same day and she Her friend is uh subscribed to butcher box and she was saying that the filet is really good And jessica Is a huge fan of fatty cuts of meat. Yeah, and so she's like, but yeah, so she's like isn't a filet lean I said it is But it's very tender the key is to make it Not over not to go past medium. You have to that's why I brought that up. Yes. Yes. And then I talked about the sous vide Yeah, so explain that because they were both like that's so no what makes the sous vide so great Especially for filets because filet is one of those things that's an expensive cut. It is a leaner cut You easily can screw it up and it's also really thick. So it's your timing is off like most States you have to get a room temperature first through the whole deal Yeah, and the sous vide just guarantees you to cook it perfect. So now when you pull it out you sear it Yeah, okay. So that was the thing that she was like, oh, that's gross. I'm like, no, no I think he sears it. You cast you cast iron keeps the juices. Yeah cast iron skillet Or you could do your barbecue really hot and do it but you do a little sear on each side So what I recommend and dub can chime in because he's probably even more an expert at this than I am Is cooking it a little under perfect for you So whatever you if you like medium or medium rare or wherever that that temperature is that you like And that's the key to anything like this you got to kind of do it a couple times to figure out Oh, that's when I set it at 129 or 132. It's perfect. You can finish it Yeah, and then you know, you're gonna probably sear it for a minute to two minutes, you know So because you're gonna do that you're gonna cook it a tiny bit more So I would barely undercook it and then it cooks more. So you sear after. Yes. Okay. Yeah I like my medium rare. So I'll probably sous vide at 130. Yeah, and then you know what medium rare is 135 So when you sear it brings it up, I'm thinking about getting one because you guys have almost sold me Yeah, I don't my only drug the only bad thing is another kitchen appliance. Like really, I'm like, yeah, but it's little I know it's tiny. Yeah. It's just a little it looks like a little rod like this And it just sits in the in the pot or whatever and then you get they make remember when I first brought it up People are like they make these that are non plastic bags. Yes. Yeah, there you go Silicone bags that you can you can cook them in so Yeah, no, I mean I I think so I'm excited to cook them tonight and then you said wrap them in bacon So Justin, what do I do? Do I wrap them? Before I barbecue them. So wrap them and then barbecue them. I don't know I've never done it, but I eat it. Thank you very much. I just bring it up because it's you know, something I want to you know, wrap it in bacon I'll give you some that my my brother-in-law did the last time we barbecue just like two weeks ago Uh, he wouldn't got those big green, uh, jalapeno poppers or whatever and he and he Carved out the inside of it cut the top off stuffed it with cream cheese Wrap bacon around it rolled it in cinnamon and then drop it on the barbecue cinnamon bomb bomb Bomb that's all you get that sweet and savory. Oh bomb. Yes. Oh, that sounds pretty good. It was so good Yeah, I have yet the next thing I'm gonna try is Justin's coffee rub coffee ground rub I still have yet to try that, um, but I'm gonna I'm gonna give that a shot Nice to see what we'll have you guys over. We'll make it. I see what that's all right So adam I know you said you weren't sure if you want to bring this up because controversy or whatever But I'm gonna I'm gonna make you bring it up. Anyway, what's going on with the airport? Oh Yeah, so I mean well part of why I wasn't going to be just because It's not like something I went and researched and read a lot I was this was started on hearsay then I confirmed it to see if it was true But when I was I was getting a ride to the airport, um, or from the airport John Wayne Yeah, we flew that's where we flew into right in california And I've flown in there a bunch of times before and when we were heading back, uh, my driver made a Comment saying like oh, yeah, I was not much longer. They're changing the name. I said, uh, why why would they change the name? And I guess that John Wayne back in 1971 did had an an interview with playboy magazine And made some racist or sexist type comments And so they're gonna pull what was the comment though. You told me didn't sound that bad Yeah, so that it's something I think he alluded to the black panthers being, uh, you know lazy Lazy so that was the thing that he said. Yeah. Well again, like I said, maybe Duncan. Oh, there we go. Doug's pulling it up right now Oh, so he's I believe in white supremacy as well. Well, no, that's the article. So that's again, you gotta that's all You know what the problem with all of this is by the way not defending, uh, If that's true and that's what he said not defending that but we're it's it's an endless rabbit hole Yes, and it's selective because here's the truth This is what I'm gonna say right now So it's the truth if they're gonna cancel people consistently the democrat party and I'm not a republican you guys know I'm very libertarian ish. I go between both parties the democrat party wouldn't exist They started the slavery. They fought to keep slavery. They fought against the civil rights movement. They were against women voting I don't know why it's not they're not being targeted by the same and I know why it's because they're the ones We'll say they're the one doing the targeting. It's ridiculous to me. It's and you can't do this. You can't judge past behaviors with by current standards because current standards change and this is a good thing Currently celebrities. I mean, I could you could find some some bullshit any celebrities said on like it doesn't matter what ethnicity Forget that. Just anybody said we move forward. We progress go back 50 years. I mean, this just everybody said shit I don't analyze any of them. It's just interesting too. I mean it just went viral, right and what 2019 is what the article said Doug. Yes. Yeah, so it's like, I mean it's something that's been been around since 1980 something and then because of obviously the The climate over the last two years has been so crazy That you know, somebody came up and found this and then is doing it's just this is not how you fix the problem By the way, this is pretending to like, you know, oh, we we changed the name problem solved No, it doesn't do anything. That's kind of whatever. Yes, focus your energy on important things in my opinion You know speaking of my driver. This guy was so cool. Uh, um, angelo angelo was his name italian guy from new york That's what my brother's gonna name his baby coming by. Yeah, angelo. Yeah. Yeah, real cool guy, man He just started sharing some really cool stories like on on the way there We ended up taking him on the way back to because he gave me his card He says, uh, he was we're asking him. Oh, how long you've been doing this and he was, you know, uber driver, right? And then he tells me that he he's also a private driver and I said, what do you mean like private drivers? Oh, man. He's like, yeah, I started it up a couple years ago I'm like, well, made you go from Uber driving to private driving and what was that transition like he was like, well, actually it's kind of a crazy story And then he tells me that one time he's picking up the airport He gets this this this lady and she, uh, you know, he says super. She was super friendly He was gonna open the back door for her. She goes, no, I'm not gonna send the back. I'm gonna it's just me I'm gonna sit up front with you. That's weird. And so he's like, okay So he lets her in she gets in the front seat. It's uh lucy lu. Oh cool And they start talking and sharing like their their childhood and stuff like that and they They connect right away and she's like, you know what, angela, uh, I want, um, I want you to pick me up for now on I fly down here all day I guess she flies back and forth between Laguna and New York all the time And she goes, I think you should start up a private service and he's like, uh, what? He's kind of like he's like, she's like, no, I guess she has business cards made up for him Sends it over to him instantly hooks him up because the she has a private jet that she has Ways with like six other like a Netflix producer and some other actors. So he's private for them Yeah, so that's how it started now. He's got a company in Las Vegas And he does this all the time on top of like his uber side hustle too. That's great Yeah, and and she literally like set him up for private driving And you know what's so funny was that before this story came out like I was telling Katrina like I was like, man I just some people are really really take this uber driving to the next level like I get in First of all on an on my on the back seat that he has the passenger seat Moved all the way up so I can like and he's in a nice Cadillac, right? So my legs can fully extend There's two different iPhone or android phone chargers that are ready to go there center console you pop open There's all different gums and breath mints. There's tissue over here. There's water bottles on the side of the door I mean just like it makes you feel like you're getting into Like a limo or a really nice executive car that's taking you around I'm like and I was commenting to Katrina like how professional and smart that is because Then you get someone like me who appreciates it and I asked for his car That's how this whole conversation went and then I paid him extra when he so he I messaged him because We're flying out early. I'm like, hey, man I said, uh, would you be interested in coming to pick me up? He goes what time I go 6 a.m And he's like, yeah, and he was like a long pause before I get the response. He's like 70 is 75 Okay, I said, well, how about 80 cash and he's like he laughed out laugh out loud. Yeah, I'll be there in the morning So but I mean I appreciate that so that's you know, you you meet somebody like myself Who does appreciate those things and then I think takes care of someone like, you know, it caused all that to happen Competition. Yeah, I'm old enough to remember before uber and lyft and all this existed and there was no competition I just taxi taxis were shit Smelt like dirt and friggin and they cigarette smoke mean and yeah, just Crotchety assholes and they could give a fuck. Yeah, and they didn't care because they were the only show in town Now you got competition. So you have opportunities for for people like that to do a really good job. Yeah Hey, real quick head over to mind pump free.com and check out all the free books and guides that we have on fitness health Fat loss and even for personal trainers. There's even stuff there for personal trainers Mind pump free.com. All right, enjoy the rest of the podcast First question is from zealon castillate How much protein can the body absorb in one meal? Is there a limit? And if it exists, what is it 20 grams 30 grams 80 grams Yeah, I like this question because it gets asked all the time and because it highlights Something that is it was annoying in the fitness industry and that's this A lot of the information that we start to believe to be true really came from marketers and advertisers Trying to market their products. So this whole concept of You can only absorb and this is what you'll get sometimes You can only absorb about 40 grams of protein at a sitting or 50 grams of proteins about the most you can How do they measure that they measured it because that's about as much protein as you can pack and two scoops of protein Exactly that's where it came from nobody's taking cadabbers and like you know taking samples of you know, your cells and figuring out No, you know what dictates how much protein you can again like anything else So there's got to be some sort of truth in it. That's why it gets that's why it carries some weight Right, because obviously it does take the body some time to assimilate the the protein, right? And i'm sure it's but here's the thing. There's such a wide individual everybody different. Yeah, right And if you're fasted versus if you were fed if you're somebody who's 300 pound big person versus someone who's 110 pound all those things change So I bet there is kind of a kind of a round number that's close Here's what dictates how much you can absorb your digestion That's all so if you eat past a certain point and you feel bloated or inflamed or constipated or diarrhea Then you probably went too far. That's what dictates it because here's what happens with protein It's a slow process of assimilation. So if you can assume if you can eat 100 grams at a sitting And be okay with your digestion. You're going to utilize 100 grams or so long as your body needs it Then you're going to assimilate it. It's not like this. Uh-oh the body's hit 50 grams Let's take this other 50 and do what with it. Yeah, like like it just comes out your body Yeah, that's that's the thought I think no it doesn't work that way your digestion Determines this for you. So I know people I've worked with clients where They need to have small amounts of protein because for whatever reason protein were was constipating for them I had a few clients like that where they if they would eat over 30 grams or so they noticed that they would Kind of get constipated. I know other people other people where Protein is extremely I'm one of these people I can eat a large serving of protein for a meal I can't do that with carbs carbs tend to bother me But if I I can eat 100 grams of protein at a meal and feel totally fine I can so long as it's not mixed with something that you like for like if I have like let's say the Five guys burgers, which ends up being like 56 or 60 grams of protein for two of these things I'm fucked up from that But it's because of the bread and the cheese and maybe even the fact that it's not Grass-fed beef like I talked about before But if I ate just sat down and it had a you know one pound rib eye steak I'm fine. Yeah, so it's literally like if I know if I had a half a pound steak and I had it with pasta Or bread with it. It would you know, it would upset my digestion So I think that's the the takeaway for people is to pay attention to What you're eating the protein with and do you get bothered by x amount when you do? Yeah, I mean if you think about back in the day when when they were eating uh mammoths You know, it's like they had to eat as much as they could before the the meat spoiled Or maybe they figured out how to dry the meat or whatever But the point is is that you're gonna adapt based on what your availability is too It's like so to to put an arbitrary number there like oh, you only eat You're not gonna if you eat 60 grams of protein, you know, that's that's too much Like you're only gonna assimilate 40 grams of it. So it's such like otherwise Otherwise it would be and sal's brought this point up before otherwise It would be a great strategy Then you just eat five meals with 100 grams of protein in it always and then you can guarantee that you're not gonna get fat Yeah, all those all those calories don't count because my body can't absorb them That's that doesn't worry, but you're that's a great point. Justin like the way we evolved Is we ate and what prevented us from continuing to eat more was our digestion So i'm sure we didn't eat pat to the point we got sick We would eat and be like, um, I don't want any more. I don't feel good. I'm done. Yeah, and you're done That's all that's typically the number one thing that should dictate your diet and nutrition is How does it feel when you eat it? How is your digestion because if your digestion is off You think you can forget about, you know, building good muscle or burning good body fat. You're too inflamed Your gut controls quite a bit of things So let that determine and so for some of you it's going to be a lot for others. It's going to be much less Next question is from omar anglind Anglin, santa maria What's the best way to get rid of knee pain every time I do a squat it pops and I can't do a perfect squat from the pain This is a an area I would say where my answer has changed pretty dramatically over the last seven years or so In the past I would say foam roll your it band Look at the hips. That's where some of it comes from Now I'll say look at the feet the ankles and then the hips I'd say those are the three those are the three places and start at the feet and ankles And then move your way up if you just consider the knee as a dumb joint It really has serves flexes and extends one function. Yeah. Yeah, so Yeah, you really do have to kind of trace it back down to the feet and the ankles And the hips but you know, really I think that we just haven't put a lot of emphasis on the feet and the ankles and what that Determines in as far as how that affects your entire Kinetic chain. So it definitely plays a massive role Well, I would actually first because this person's saying they're in pain It pops and prevents them from having a good squad. I would send you to the doctor So that would be the first thing I did to potentially get an MRI because if if they're in pain And they can't even squadron pretty far. Yeah, so there may be something that's that's, you know Done to you that you might have injured it somehow that's eliminating that then after I get you know, the doctor telling me Oh, no, they're xyz is fine Then then we can go to work and I would go to work with salsa And I would start with your feet and work to the way up and more often than not it's going to be both, you know Foot ankle stuff related and hip the combination of the the two of those that's probably causing the stress In the knees. Yeah, that's a good point because I mean you could have an acute injury Like you could have had something where yeah, it put it put everything out of alignment Because of a torn ligament or whatever, you know The case was that now you built this different type of recruitment pattern that you have to to now try to retrain But yeah, for the most part a lot of the the knee pain that comes from a lot of like, you know Overuse injury. Yeah, and again just to clarify remember the ankle is super mobile So I can you know can it can flex laterally it can of course forward and back There's a lot of movement in the foot the hip is super mobile the knee flexes and extends that's it So if there's an issue in those two areas, yeah, that's the midpoint. Yeah, the knee is bearing the brunt of that Here's an here's a fun little trick by the way that you could do I used to do this with clients They would say oh my knee hurts So then I would have them I'd set up a physio ball squat So if you don't know what that is the ball is up against the wall You put your low back up against it and then you move your feet away from it a little bit And then you roll down the ball and come up keeping your back straight I would have them do that and then I would put a band Around their knees and I'd say push the band out or maintain tension While squatting do you still feel pain or I would put something in between their knees squeeze this come up and down Tell me if you feel pain And if they didn't feel pain doing one or the other it would tell me It's because there's stress on the knee because of an imbalance in the hips or the ankles If you do that little trick and you find wow when I push my knees out against the band All of a sudden my knees feel a lot better. You know, it's coming from the hips or the ankles It's not something maybe you know internally wrong with the knee Next question is from bad inkling What are your opinions on digestive enzyme supplements? Oh you live you guys live by these? Yeah, you know what's funny. So I have to Why are we not sponsored? Do any of our sponsors care? We're working with one potentially. Oh, are you I just say I don't know why we're not because both of you guys use this religious Yeah, so digestive enzymes obviously these are the enzymes that help break down foods If you're for the most part you're contagious for the most part you probably don't Most people don't need them But in certain cases they can make a big difference, especially if you're somebody that uh tends to have gut issues Here's one. It's not a digestive enzyme, but it has tremendous value especially for people who tend to have Acid reflux or GERD You know heartburn that kind of stuff HCl Which I think was at stand for hydrochloric Yeah, look it up hydrochloric acid. Is it is that what it is? Okay So this is essentially the acid that's that is producing the stomach that helps break things down Oftentimes when people have acid reflux, it's not because they have too little acid But I'm excuse me too much acid. It's rather because they have too little acid the timings all off Yeah, so you take hcl Right when you eat especially a high protein meal and all of a sudden you find that it tends to solve issues Also having low acid levels can contribute to things like SIBO small intestinal bacterial overgrowth And other types of issues So I like hcl for people and then the digestive enzymes You know when that helps is when if you notice that if you eat let's say more often than not So where I notice it somebody will eat a high fat meal and they'll feel nauseous or a little bloated Um, especially for people who've had their gallbladder removed Take the fat the you know the enzymes that break down fat So light pace and and I think that's the main one take that with your meals See if you notice a big difference. I've had clients have a lot of success with those So I think I've asked this before on the podcast But I have you explain it again because when I hear the digestive enzymes it reminds me very Very similar to like a prebiotic. How different are they? Like what's the main difference between a prebiotic and a digestive enzyme? So prebiotics are things that feed Bacteria, okay, and then there's probiotics, which are actually bacteria enzymes are totally different enzymes Literally are think of it this way they cut back at the the bacteria. Yeah, or instead of feeding the bacteria No, not the bacteria. HCl will do that. That's why I mean if it's the acid pills But the enzymes themselves are what are used to break down proteins carbohydrates and fats So and your body produces them themselves naturally But some people produce a like low amounts of certain ones So supplementing with enzymes can help so people who sometimes feel can you do that in combination? Then yes a prebiotic. It's not it's not. No, okay. No, they don't come they don't conflict with each other. Yeah Now, uh, here's where I see the benefit if you're really pushing your protein intake And uh, you're noticing that maybe it's affecting your digestion a little bit and you're like, oh man I know I want to eat this high protein, but my death just a little bit off Try taking digestive enzymes. Well, I've noticed it. So I've I mean I out of the three of us I pretty much almost never use it But I have played with it a couple times because you guys bring it up to the Tahoe house all the time and I Was about I think it was one night I was going to have ice cream or I was going to have bread or something something I know that normally would bother me And I took one of your guys's to see and I did notice a difference like it I felt like it mitigated the the the below and the upside my stomach would be upset a little bit afterwards I felt like it minimized that right in comparison now Here's something else that's interesting about some of these enzymes So bromelain is can be used as an enzyme to help break down proteins If you take bromelain on its own on an empty stomach, however, it's anti-inflammatory very anti-inflammatory It's very very remarkable. It does help a lot with swelling. Yes, dude It's like one of the most effective anti-inflammatories I've ever used, but you have to take it on empty stomach Next question is from Audrey Smith 19. What are your thoughts on psychedelics? Oh gosh Yeah, it seems that that this hasn't been as big of a conversation in our space like I don't know Like it was while there was huge, right? It was like everybody was doing these retreats and Having these like totally Crazy epiphanies that they're coming back with and now all of a sudden it's not as much in the news I think that we you know, okay I'm gonna speak for us and you so you guys can correct me if you disagree But I I feel like for the most part Used responsibly We've been pretty pro with the stuff that's coming out around psychedelics Now I think that we took a stance early on To not talk about it because we were annoyed By the fitness space. I felt like, you know, we were What four years ago, maybe more when we had uh, steven kotler on the on the show We had jamie jamie wheel on the on the show Which wrote stealing fire and rise of superman which they talk about The use of micro dosing and psychedelics inside there flow state. Yeah So I think we're we're all very fascinated with the research that's around that and think used in the right environment It can be an incredible tool, but like any other tool can also be abused And what we saw in the fitness space around the same time that we were kind of reading and going through all this is just It became this trendy hip thing to go get high and you know, bang hello girls and do and like get everybody On psychedelics and retreats and trying to to wrap in spiritualism on top of that Which that's all we saw but yeah, there's there is a lot of value in them And there's the they're powerful tools and it's cool to see what they're doing in terms of like psilocybin and some of the research there where they're actually helping Brain injuries and and ways to address Is things like that and also to treat, you know, psych You know like psychiatric psychiatric disorders. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's the the research on psychedelics continues to come out And it's remarkable, but here's what's very clear They need to be really respected like very very respected. I think because They've been so illegal for so long, which was stupid. This was a dumb policy by the u.s. government By the way, the u.s. government scheduled drugs Specifically to go after the counterculture targeting the hippies. Yes the 60s and 70s They were counterculture protesting the war. It was a big deal And they said how can we throw these people in jail for expressing their their liberty of protesting? I know let's make the drugs they use the most illegal So if you look at the scheduling of drugs The the the worst punishments federally reflect marijuana Mushrooms lsd, right? Which by the way, those all tend to be the least Addictive and safest in terms of physical potential effects, right? You know other drugs like cocaine and whatnot can be way more dangerous further down the scheduling But anyway, what that did which which was terrible the side effect of that is because they were scheduled so illegal There were no studies done on them You had a lot of studies that were done in the 60s early 60s then and they were scheduled as super illegal Done and so the problem is in american psyche Is we view we viewed psychedelics either as oh my god super scary or it's no big deal They're super fun. This is what I did when I was a hippie or when I was hanging out And it's this is so wrong. They're very so far. The research is very clear They're they can be very effective to treat certain psychiatric disorders depression post traumatic stress disorder so crazy at the stat I believe is like 80 or 90 of all right. Yeah, it's crazy after one visit. I think yes, but here's the thing it's done with a Therapist who's an expert in the right environment and the person is being closely monitored These aren't people doing it in the field with their friends or at a rave or at some music festival Because something this powerful that can that can potentially help solve post traumatic stress can also cause it There's been many cases of people giving themselves post traumatic stress from taking too much mushrooms or acid And it causing problems. So it needs to be respected But the science is remarkable and I've said this early in the podcast. I'll say it again I think that we're going to see psychiatric medical breakthroughs And the next, you know, 20 to 30 years that are gonna they're gonna be complete breakthroughs They're gonna blow away anything that we've done in terms of antidepressants or any other treatments It's gonna be crazy now help me help me understand the science a little bit about this because If I understand this correctly the reason why it's it is so beneficial for these types of clients Is and what happens right when you when you when you've had trauma in your life is you can't get away from that trauma Like he's repeating in your brain repeating in your brain and one of the things that the the the psilocybin is known for is to Open up new pathways in the brain. So you make new connections in the brain. So is that it's an altered state of conscience Is that what is happening as it's disrupting this this negative pattern of thinking about the war or thinking about these bad things That traumatic things that have happened And then they take the the psilocybin and then it opens up new pathways for them to physiologically That's what they seem to see is that the brain starts to rewire is what they'll say But psychologically so far the best explanations that I've heard in my opinion are Let's say you were in uh war And in war you see terrible things Something happened or you did this is where it really gets hard. You did something That's terrible that you can't reconcile because you consider yourself a good person You consider yourself honest Then you're in war some kid is running at you with a grenade something terrible You blow you blow him away and now you can't reconcile that and the challenge isn't that you relive it necessarily in your head But rather you can't revisit it to process it. So you you're so I can't think of it. I can't reconcile it. You avoid it and it causes all these problems And what they're saying psychologically is people will be given either MDMA or psilocybin Is that they're this super empathetic state of mind Where they can go in relive This terrible thought or this terrible thing that happened Revisit it and process they actually find the will To process it through and it can be very challenging But they're able to process it through because when when you have unprocessed feelings. That's when shit really gets really hard So that's the best explanation That I've heard so yeah, I mean I had a such an uh a unique experience with it with uh with Katrina. So um, I convinced her at one point to do a a micro dose with me and You know and the intention was we were we were out at the beach and we were going to be in nature Spending the whole entire day together And you know at this point we've been together nine nine or ten years somewhere around there Together so and we have I like to think we have a very good strong relationship with communication like her and I talk about everything and if there's ever anything going on with One of us like we don't let it fester we we we talk about it whatever And There's there's been something in our relationship that has always been really hard for us to see eye to eye on It's just it's one of those things And we've just kind of agreed like I would agree to disagree type of deal and it's something that's really It's really not that big of a deal It's something the smallest I have this drive for us to to reach a certain place Of success financially And her greatest fear in the relationship was that that will never end for me or that my drive For that is more selfish than it is for us right that it's you know Oh, you have this thing that goes back to your childhood and you just you want Things and you don't we'll never you'll never stop. You're never going to be satisfied That's right. That's right And so that's kind of like her her thing and I've tried to explain it a hundred different ways to get her to Understand me and that no this is not it and how can you say that after all these years? We've been together and every time I tell you I have a plan or this is what I'm trying to do I follow through and then you know, I move on from her whatever and we did we had this Incredible breakthrough where I mean she was she was all emotional and crying and got me all emotional and crying and She looked at me and I'll never forget the look in her face when she looked me in the eyes and said like I understand like she goes I I understand And I get it now like I I never I could never see it before And it wasn't like she was like oh the shrooms are doing this or like that It was we were not even thinking about it. We took a micro dose. It was hours earlier. This is a super intense connection Yeah, we were just yeah, we were just having to open. Yeah Yeah, having a great conversation and we were we're sharing all kinds of different things And at that point not even thinking about what we had done hours earlier And then it kind of just led down this pathway and got to a place where and again We didn't do it with like, oh, we're going to talk about our problem Like that wasn't even a conversation anytime recent that we had that But it naturally surfaced that day and then we went so deep into conversation around it that I felt like We solved something that is been in that we have never really saw eye to eye and in almost 10 years in our relationship And so that for me was I was forever sold on the power of it Now that being said I can also I've done it less Then I want to say less than five times definitely less than 10 times so somewhere between You know Three and seven times at the most I've I've done it right and I think that It's something like anything else that you could easily go down this addictive Even though there doesn't have addictive you can abuse it really you can escape. Yeah use it to escape Well, and it was I it was an incredible experience So you I could see people chasing that experience all the time But like so Katrina's family are big big into like shaman and stuff like that and what they would say about some of that is The real power in these these these drugs is not the actual experience itself But it's the work that you do from the integration. That's right So and what I see a lot of people doing in the fitness space is chasing the experience versus Oh my god, I had this huge breakthrough Now let me go back and put it put it to work and work on it work on it in my life versus always kind of chasing the high Yeah, that's you know what that reminds me of have you guys ever seen that sculpture? I think it was that burning man years ago. It's a famous sculpture of two Adults the man and a woman and their backs are against each other And you can tell that they're angry and pissed and they're like facing away And then on the inside or like reaching for each other. Yeah, the inside is two children Oh, that's and the two children are trying so hard to touch each other and it reminds me of that like you have so much built up That when you're trying to talk to your partner That sometimes it takes just to get out of that just get out of that that space Sometimes it means you got to just go somewhere else or you know, maybe take a micro dose of mushrooms Who knows but it's like you get out of your own way. You know what I mean? Otherwise, it's like you can't get through well. Yeah, and I think that we We try to analyze all the time like just in I don't know if it's the prefrontal cortex You know, we're just always in that sort of state of mind of like, you know, rationalizing everything whereas This sort of just like flips the table upside down and it's like, oh wow You just kind of think a bit differently and see things from a different perspective So I see value in it from that but again, like it's it's a very very powerful tool You got to be careful. Yeah, awesome. 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