 Because really this this shows pre-show and post-show are essentially the afternoon stream Yeah, kind of Yeah, for Wednesdays for sure especially for all day any day. Yeah, technically, you know, it's like the afternoon drive. Yeah on Diamond Club frog pants alpha geek land Podcast Incessuousness continues unabated. Can we call it dag frog club? Yes diamond frog egg Like a bad disease or something. It's always fun trying to explain all this to people What is frog is a network, but it's not a network People don't get it. My mom still doesn't get it. Yeah tried My mom doesn't even get the internet. Yeah, actually she does she has a phone Give me and it she use up data to Yeah, that's the thing me once they get the hang of that. Yeah My sister had to go and turn off some some things, right? Like your bingo app shouldn't be using this much data mom It's like yeah, she was like, oh, yeah, you're right. I don't know why they're doing that I noticed a bunch of services are damned today for the launch of this What's it called? Shoot forgot the name Clash Royale. It's the new game from the class. Oh, yeah And the Game Center was down for a chunk of time. I think Facebook connectivity was weird Really because of that because that's how you link your devices and accounts Yeah, but Facebook's pretty robust like that's a hell of a game if it's bringing Facebook down Yeah, and and plent well, and I think they were hoping they had a head start because this has been in New Zealand and in Canada for like a month or something and then Got out of the soft launch and I think it's I best I can tell Maybe it's them with just the way that they link these servers. I don't know. Yeah That game's insanely fun. No, let's put that out there. All right. Well, let's Let's Sally forth. Yeah There's a comic strip phone. Yeah, that's immediately what I started thinking of and And Kathy and what all right here we go Podcasts about technology in your daily lives from people who like to put pants on frogs And one guy with a trustworthy looking beard the Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by You and I at Daily Tech news show comm slash donate This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday March 2nd 2016 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Scott Johnson of frog pants Dot com. How are you sir? I'm great. Happy Thursday to you and your listeners and viewers because what's a way to start the hump day Then to do it Wednesday what I say Thursday Hey, someone's leaving town to Mexico next week and is losing that hump day. I was like, well, he does know it's Wednesday So yeah, yeah, you're already in Mexico, aren't you? Yeah, I'm my brain is there I will soon have my entire being there and I'm very excited about it But before I go it's always good to cap it off a little DTS during the week. I'm excited Yeah, yeah, we're gonna miss you next week, but excited for you to have a vacation and When you come back, it's like the VR avalanche will begin We'll start seeing the first, you know by the end of the month anyway first Oculus first vives in April It's gonna be fun. We're gonna we're actually gonna talk with Aaron Carson You and I the day after the PlayStation VR Announcement so we're gonna let's we should start today. Let's talk about some augmented reality today in the discussion section What do you say? I like I just thought this up. Yeah, everything's coming up VR. Everything's coming up augmented and dang it. I'm ready. I Think a lot of people wish that were true Let's take a look at that Hey, we mentioned yesterday that Facebook VP for Latin America Diego Joe Don was arrested in Sao Paulo in relation to a court order for WhatsApp messages related to a drug investigation And what's up says our messages are encrypted. We can't give you what we don't have AFP reports that judge Roy Pinheiro ordered Joe Don released calling his imprisonment an extreme and Disproportionate measure as well as unlawful coercion. So there you go. So the injustice has prevailed in the end good I suppose the Encryption encryption. It's interesting like I hadn't really been thinking about encryption lately in other cases Other than this is supposed to protect our privacy. Yeah, right But in this case, it's way to like say well, we're not responsible. We can't do anything because it's encrypted Sorry, we'll go somewhere else to get justice face. I mean what's app, which is a division of Facebook or a company under Facebook is fighting the same fight as Apple in a way, which is Except more more difficult because they're not saying well, we could do that but we don't want to they're saying we don't have it You don't you don't understand it's encrypted end-to-end that means we don't have the message that you want We're really really sorry and of course the judge saying look you can continue to find them and they find Facebook a lot of money over this But you can't yeah, he's like, I don't think it's right to just go grab their the head of Brazilian Facebook and throw it in prison I kind of agree late Well, hold on. Yes speaking of yesterday's Hearings where we heard from a representative from Apple representative from New York representative from the FBI and a representative from the world of encryption After listening to the all five hours of the testimony God bless her Allison Sheridan of no silicast Called in with this summary for us I watched all five hours of the House of Representatives hearing on Apple versus the FBI Fascinating because it completely changed my mind about whether our representatives have any hope of understanding the complexities of technology topics The vast majority of them were incredibly knowledgeable about technology They understood encryption they understood why it's important to safety and security and they ask questions with phrases in them like non-volatile Ram house minority leader John Conyers is 86 years old and he totally understood What was at stake here explaining in detail how strong encryption keeps us safe? I think we need to remember that the that the next time we dismiss someone for being old Assuming they don't understand our precious tech Representative Joe Lofgren really impressed me. She actually read a 30-page paper on cryptography written by one of the panel experts I promised Tom. I'd be sure it's all stop But I really hope this gives you a glimmer of optimism that our representatives just might be able to represent our interests I have to say and I know a lot of you are like hold on did she hear the same congressman? I heard this one guy say this other thing It was not an even-handed representation, but I think she's right and she's trying to be positive about this which I encourage which is There were some impressive Demonstrations of knowledge from several of the representatives. Yeah, and I'm happy to hear that Even if it's just some even if it's just a portion of them And and I know it's easy for us to want to think everybody was like senator Stevenson in his day I'm putting pipes on trucks and whatever and that that was just going to be the state of government when it came to technology But I think also as time passes. We're getting representatives elected in office at least in theory and hopefully that Many of whom grew up with this stuff many of them went for their their Novel certification in the 1990s Many of them have a couple of computer scientists in Congress. I know it's not a lot, but at least there's a couple. Yeah, I'm not as This sort of thing I'm always bright about those futures It's like saying that people who think comic books came from the devil are still in office And they're not they moved out and kids who grew up reading comic books are now our representatives So it's not that different than other parts of our culture and technology. I'm sure it'll all work out fine in the end late if you'd like to hear more about what Allison Thought about those hearings check out this week's no silicast at pot and feet dot com late Tuesday Apple filed a formal appeal of magistrate judge Sherry Pims order requiring it to assist in the effort or assist the FBI in Excessing data on the iPhone 5c the one that the terrorist had last Thursday Apple filed a motion to vacate Which asked the judge to withdraw her order the appeal goes to the district court in the central district of California? Apple also introduced the New York ruling in its favor As evidence in the California case so yeah, so essentially what Apple did was They doubled down they went ahead and they filed the appeal So that if the judge doesn't does not Accept the motion to vacate her order it then goes to the district court as an appeal They're not they're not wasting any time. They don't want any procedural things to get in the way They're like look we'd want you to change your order, but if you don't we've already filed the appeal So there's no question about it. Yeah, they don't seem to be sitting around waiting for anyone to tell them What's next? They seem to have as deep a well of both money time lawyers and and Whatever Resolve to see this to whatever end it will be seen to and you and I were talking earlier today That it doesn't seem all that crazy to think this will end up in the in the hands of the Supreme Court at some point Yeah, I used to love squares payment system that used geofencing and once you had set it up with a particular merchant You never had to take your phone out of the pocket to pay Well, good news for me something like that may be coming from Google Google's testing a new payment system called hands-free. It would be part of the Android pay system It uses Bluetooth Wi-Fi and some location services on a smartphone to determine if a user is at a participating store Now they say it's different than the square system And they even say they've done more with security and location to make it better Essentially when it's time to check out you just say I'll pay with Google and then the cashier will ask for your initials They'll see a picture of you that you have uploaded to the profile They'll make sure it's you and then off you go You never have to take your phone out of your pocket pilot is limited to the South Bay region of the San Francisco Bay area Places like McDonald's Papa John's some local stores South Bay residents interested in joining the program can visit get dot Google com slash hands-free totally interested in such a thing. I don't know if we'll see this across platforms But I love the idea Yeah, or go ahead No, no, I was just I really I really liked it when I could just walk into the coffee shop and When I was ready to pay I said, oh, do you see Tom on there for square because they had a square cash register like oh Yeah, that's you and then I got a notification that I was charged So if there was anything funny I could dispute it or whatever it feels a step closer to I have a chip in my head That just lets me pay when I walk out closer to that and I'm all for that Meta started taking pre-orders for the meta to the augmented reality headset the meta to offers 88 degree field of view By the way, that's a comparison to the 98 field of view that you get FOV that you get with the the VR or the gear VR So that tells you a little something about how wide this is compared to some of its competitors Anyway in a 2560 by 1440 display which must be impressive meta is targeting business users You can pre-order today for 949 which Tom is a lot less money than about three grand for a developer kit for a certain competitor of theirs Yeah, the the HoloLens is a little pricey. We were talking about that earlier this week This is this is we're gonna talk about this in our main discussion a bit But particular to the meta to is that that field of view like you said it's similar to the field of view you get in gear VR which is a VR and VR field of view is generally wider oculus is much wider HoloLens I couldn't find a sick an exact figure, but it's somewhere around 25 30 degree field of view So this is beaten that quite a bit. Yeah, 90 is good. And yeah, I'm stoked to talk about this stuff because augmented reality is starting to Separate itself a little bit. We'll talk more about that a little bit later Wednesday the Bundeskarte lumped literally in German the federal cartel office said it is investigating whether quote Under the aspect of abuse of market power the consumers are sufficiently informed about the type and extent of data collected By Facebook agency said it is working closely with other EU competition authorities a Facebook spokesperson told ours technically quote We are confident that we comply with the law. How many? How many times do tech companies lawyers have to say we are confident we comply with the law probably all that I mean they yeah, it's a boilerplate right like if they weren't Confident that they complied with the law they probably would have changed the policy in most cases. Yeah, that's what I would say Slack who might love I don't I want to put my bias right out here. Tom's wife works at YouTube and I love slack there I'm both of those are out of the way They launched a new beta feature called calls today Boy, you might could put your head around what you think that might be if you're invited to the beta You can enable it for your team. It uses web RTC So the latest up desktop app or browser interface is all you're gonna need for that It is not rolling out on mobile yet One would assume it would a phone a button appears in each channel or direct message Clicking the button allows up to 15 people in that channel to join a call I swear to you more and more every day slack and The other one shoot the one that the gamers are using Discord are becoming identical because it's almost like discord came from the voice side and Started to build itself out more like slack as time went on and slacks coming the other direction and building out some Some audio features anyway that look a lot like this chords. I'm having a hard time telling them apart to be honest Yeah, I love the idea and every once in a while. I get all of the DTS folks together We we have a hangout. I love the idea of just being like just show up in the slack press the call button join There yeah, 15 is not a bad number One could see that maybe growing at some point, but I think that's probably yeah, and no no plug-ins no extensions Just WebRTC pretty nice You guys Department of Defense digital service announced Wednesday. It will begin inviting hackers to attack its systems Here's what we mean. It's a pilot project called hack the Pentagon to get security researchers to test systems for vulnerabilities and earn Monetary awards. It's a bug bounty program But unlike say Google's bug bounty system if you want to be part of this one You have to be a US citizen you have to register you have to submit to a background check And get accepted then you can start hammering away and the program is going to start with public-facing systems only you don't get to Go on the secret confidential systems just websites and stuff like that But it is an effort for them to use Security research to make themselves more secure. Thanks to Steve IO for submitting this on the subreddit I think this is great, but don't you think? All right, I'm just going to suggest this and then an actual security experts can tell me I'm crazy over the next few days via your email But it seems to me that if you really wanted to make sure your public-facing services were the most secure possible and Put them through whatever rigors are needed to see that they are It seems like you'd want the best or the worst that the hacker community could provide and that's like some You know 15-year-old genius in Russia somewhere or I don't I don't know where but someone who's not gonna I see where you're going that no, it's a fair point And and whether it's Russia or somewhere else when you say it's got to be a US citizen You got to be willing to submit to a background check You just narrowed down a lot of the best and the brightest who were like oh hell no I'm not letting him do it a background check forget that I don't care if I'm a US citizen or not It is a balance though, right? I mean the Defense Department is only talking about public-facing systems, but I'm imagining they're going to give some bit of extraordinary access To these these people so that they when they're attacking people know okay, that's that person probing around that's fine And they don't want to give that kind of access to just anybody even if it is just to a website only US script Kitty's allowed In other related security news alphabet chairman Eric Schmidt will head the Defense Innovation Advisory Board for the US Department of Defense my goodness Secretary of Defense Ashton Carter Announced the creation of the board Wednesday Carter and Schmidt will select up to 12 individuals to provide advice on becoming more innovative and adaptive Developing technology so wow a lot of it seems anyway at least with these two stories today a lot of forward thinking happening over there in the defense department Yeah, Ashton Carter didn't really weigh in directly on the the Apple encryption case But he did very strongly when he was speaking at the RSA conference Defend encryption. He's like we need strong encryption. We should not weaken encryption So he was pretty you know, he was pretty solid on that And this was another one of the announcements he made that Eric Schmidt is gonna head this advisory board They have a similar advisory board for businesses for for innovation and entrepreneurship And and so they want some tech innovation advice as well then Richmond's gonna get to him. He's big they got to him The video electronic standards association, you might know it as visa VES a Announced display port 1.4 Tuesday among the other specs 1.4 will support 8k and USBC No word on whether they're going to change away from the display port module But they are definitely going to support USBC visa designed a display stream compression technology to support that 8k And says it will not affect video quality But this is a good this is a little bit of a piece of good news towards standardization If my display port cables can support USBC and 8k, I'm kind of future proof on display port 1.4 I'm starting to sway away from HDMI at this point. Yeah me as well In fact here lately I've done a couple of things that I won't get into that involve display port that have vastly improved my viewing Experiences and I like that this is being supported in this way, but I don't always trust people when they say There's a compression technology that will not affect video quality. I feel like by its very nature Compression technology affects video quality whether it's as noticeable by the user or not It's still being affected. You're compressing. Yeah, but you don't watch any video. That's raw ever anywhere anymore Everything's compressed to a certain point. So I you know, yeah, I proofs in the pudding. That's that's fair to say you're not wrong But there's definitely compression where the human eye can't really tell the difference We're just so burned by all that crappy compression that that cable companies and satellite companies gave us I think which is why we're so skeptical Kyle one of our subreddit monitors moderators rather and spam fighter Wants us to note this year's Turing award has been awarded to Martin E. Hellman and Whitfield Diffie Creators of public key cryptography. The award is given to engineers or scientists who have aided in the advancement of computing. Yay Good job deserved and yeah, Diffie Hellman cryptography man. You wouldn't you wouldn't be securing anything There'd be no debate for these two guys So very well deserved. I wonder if they have something to say out that they would but we don't they have been actually They they've been they've been speaking. There was a panel at the RSA conference. I can't remember who said what I do remember that I think it was rivest the rivest one of the RSA guys Was actually saying he thought Apple picked the wrong fight because it's so emotional Because of the nature of the criminal case But all of them are in support of strong cryptography as you might imagine sure How about toilet condolce wanted us to note the passing of AOL co-founder Jim Kimsey at age 76 Kimsey helped reorganize a failing video game download company in the early 1980s and Took the helm once they had reorganized it and renamed it quantum computer services Along with this co-founders Mark Seraf and Steve case and then come along 1991 they decided to change that company's named America online You know what today's AOL publishers of tech crunch I don't remember this at all This is I feel like this is a thing I should have known about in the history of stuff with all the things I'm interested with this kind of history especially being a video game downloading company I didn't know I do those are the roots and download online games for Atari 2600 Weird a little bit of that of its time Yeah, and and basically a friend Asked Kimsey to come take a look at it and they're like well There's some things we could salvage from this and create an online service company Maybe games isn't the right way to go and created quantum computer services, which became a well You know it'd be a fun book There's just an idea fun book for Tom to write and me to draw the going and finding all of the companies that were so ahead of their Time that it's now obvious movie phone a good example so ahead of its time But perfectly exactly trying to do what we now do with the web so simply Like you could come over the million services like this this probably belongs in that collection But that always fascinates me when they when somebody's Brain is just ahead of what the curve is gonna let them do and I'm happy to see that they rolled it into something else and now we can all Check our mail or whatever Yes, rest in peace Jim Kimsey. Thank you. I'll be Taylor Condolce for submitting that on our subreddit You should submit something too or if you have thank you for submitting it Even if we don't mention it on the show We value every single one of those submissions every single one of those votes get in there and participate at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com And that is a look at the headlines All right, so HTC you may have seen claims Or actually HTC's VR developer Shawnee claimed on Twitter That more than 15,000 vibe units sold in less than 10 minutes now HTC PR won't comment on that So we're not sure if Shanyee was supposed to post that but they haven't removed it yet And it's hard to say if that's a lot Maybe it was 15,000 in 10 minutes and then nothing else the rest of the day Who knows? But it does show that there is certainly interest. It's Neo VR is not without interest And then of course as we mentioned pre-orders of the meta to going on sale today for $949 company says the devices will ship in Q3 Lucas Matney of TechCrunch did an article on the meta to he had given it a shot He tried it out and pointed out that it's not wireless Unlike the HoloLens so that may be part of the the cheap cheaper price there It also has a bit of a clunky hand tracking So unlike say the leap motion system, which makes a dynamic digital skeleton that it can track The meta to just uses the sensors in the cameras and he said it's not perfect, but There's a quote in in Lucas's article from meta CEO Marin Gribbets that caught Scott and my eye He was talking at TEDx 2016 the last week and he said in about five years These are all going to look like strips of glass on our eyes that project holograms And just like we don't care so much about which phone we buy in terms of hardware We buy it for the operating system as a neuroscientist. I always dreamt of building the iOS of the mind if you will so What do you think of that? He's saying yeah, HoloLens is bulky Oculus is bulky all this stuff's bulky But eventually we're just gonna have like a nice fashionable strip of glass you can barely see it There's also magic leap out there, which might just project stuff right onto your eye And we'll and and it will be the operating system of the mind. Yeah This is where this is where augmented reality starts to Change my mind. I had I had a pre Disposition toward the technology as being the lesser of the two VR being chief chiefly cooler and better and more Awesome and all the things in my head about why VR is so rad and then looked at AR as well Okay, that was a kind of a cool idea that it feels like a like a half step toward what VR will give us and now I'm not so sure after reading about his experience with the meta is seeing how quickly this technology is improving And how how I believe he's right I mean the trend is things are gonna get smaller more compact They're gonna fit on our heads easier and so on and so forth more powerful less tethered and so on I'm more and more convinced that they're just two different markets Like it doesn't mean one's better than the other or one's a better choice or or somebody has to plan a flag and pick one over The other VR is going to be these self-contained Experiences that you really can't create another any other way literally take you to another place is the idea there Whereas augmented reality as we know is a way to augment our existing reality and do it in meaningful ways That seems like the productivity tool of the two Certainly, there'll be some crossover But for the most part if these are truly just strips of glass in front of our eyes at some point and projecting Holographic images right on to our eyes so that what we're seeing isn't dependent on some crazy display or a bunch of latency issues or anything like that Then what we end up with is a tool that can be used for business for creativity for productivity for the things that the VR not is not necessarily well suited for or at least not as we conceive it right now, so more and more I'm of the opinion that AR is a bigger deal than I thought it was and Just reading about this new device got me super excited I'm sad to hear that the That the hand motion stuff is difficult to work out But it sounds like he didn't seem to care very much. It seemed like he was being blown away by what he was witnessing So yeah, I don't know I feel like this is about to heat up And I feel a little bit like Microsoft with they with their very small field of view Regardless of whether it's tethered or not are gonna have to answer to that They're gonna have to say Well, it's just it's such a big deal to have it be wireless that we had to do to latency everything else to have This small posted stamp style field of view They've really got to sell us on why I want being wireless is better if I can just put this thing I'm ahead and have a small pack on my you know waste or whatever for now I I could I could think I hear the distant screams of a Microsoft PR rep right now Because I've read several times Microsoft saying hey guess what this is prototype This is not going to be the field of the view that that we ship with this is this is going to get better over time and You know fair question to ask like okay a better Cuz guys because that's the other way could go you're right They could either argue like well the trade-off is you get this other freedom Or they could also improve the field of view which I fully expect them to do if this thing to 88 90 degrees I don't know if this is a very thin wearable small footprint wearable on your head That'd be one thing but both of these companies and every other AR device I've seen where they've actually shown hardware they look like you're wearing a ridiculous helmet for some bad 70 science fiction movie But but but they don't look like a thing that you're gonna practically wear to work or any of that So I realize we're talking a decade into the future before any of this becomes the kind of thing that we It says five years. Yeah, see, I don't know that seems awful. It's pretty optimistic. Yeah, I don't know I mean may I have the weirdest things have happened tech closes the gap a lot quicker in some cases But did you get the Warby Parker or the? Zeni.com will have some really bad low-resolution versions. You know the Joseph Aboud style of the Nate to give her and I got an AR lens crafters and get my hollow lens in an hour or less I mean hollow lens clap crafters. Yeah Well, I think that is the aim though right is that this is just going to fit in with whatever you would wear on your face Or be something for those of us who are lucky enough not to have glasses Something unobtrusive to fit on our face. Maybe in sunglasses or something like that But augmented reality has different uses than VR now I have postulated that augmented reality might have the advantage because you can do VR in augmented reality Just block out everything else, right? But I have had more than one person write in and say well Maybe what that means is VR becomes the high-end gaming PC of virtual reality because it has true blacks because you actually have a visor Whereas AR can black stuff out, but it's never going to be quite as black because there's actually natural light that still comes through I think that's that's an interesting dichotomy as well We got one email from Josh in unseasonably warm Iowa who was listening to our discussion on Monday's podcast He says I'm a mechanical engineer in a grain processing plant and equipment fails all the time Having a device that can recognize a piece of equipment and display an exploded view in the field would be amazing for Troubleshooting and replacement. In fact there are equipment manufacturers that are working on this tech right now using tablets If someone Microsoft or someone else can create a reliable sturdy and accurate system like this using augmented reality It could easily become commonplace at plants and so that makes me think well Yeah, you're right Scott and augmented reality is going to be segmented and in fact What what they're doing here with the meta too is they're targeting businesses. They're targeting people like Josh here Saying yeah, we want to be the headset for you Yeah, to me It's the separation between a desktop computer and a laptop or maybe more appropriate a phone and a tablet You can you could make the early case that will just just a bigger version of your phone Why would you want that? Well if you want to be Reducted like that sure but but as time has proven out There are many uses we don't think of right away And it just feels like these two techs are set to evolve in their own directions and be able to And in a lot of cases inhabit the same space that or have you know have a spot on everyone's desk Everyone's gonna have room for these two techs in their lives potentially and they're gonna have their own strengths their own weaknesses Maybe we get to a day where we can put on some Ray-Ban size to something and it will do Augmented and virtual and everything that we ever need a device to do right there on a pair of glasses I don't know but that's you know way in the future for now. I'm very interested to see what augmented does And not just for entertainment not just for gaming, which is a big focus of early VR adoption But more of the what am I gonna do with this every day? How's this gonna help me when I'm trying to get on the bus? What's it gonna do while I'm on a tour? I'm a tourist in France What's it gonna do to tell me where I'm at what I'm looking at? What's the history what audio is it gonna pipe into my ears about the thing? I just saw like that is really really interesting to me and it's funny because up leading up to this probably up to 2016 I had kind of just said well, that's the other thing. That's like yeah That's like we motion and then and then Microsoft saying well, here's the connect and we know all that how that went and I don't want another stopgap But it's starting to feel less of a stopgap and more of a thing of its own Now when you're talking about going around wearing augmented reality on your vacation to Mexico That's what you're thinking of I know Lucas Matney at TechCrunch pointed out that he doubts hands and fingers would end up being the input system for augmented reality Because it's too conspicuous Nobody wants to stand around now with Granted people also talk to phones in public now and we all will kind of make fun like I sound like he's crazy talking to himself And Bluetooth headsets are not necessarily considered stylish by everyone But those of those of work those have happened. We do talk on phones of public spaces Does that just become something we culturally accept like oh? Yeah, that guy waving the funny hands around you probably got augmented reality Or do we need a different input system? Well, he and he he suggested that eye tracking was the future of all of that and I think I agree with him You know, we don't want to it's one thing to say Well, we want people to do more voice activation We want Siri and echo and we want all these things to have us talking to them But in practice we found that unless you're sort of alone or you're just experimenting people aren't doing it in public very often It turns out just whip it out do something with your hand. That's cool I think that this is a bit like that and telling people they're gonna want to wave their hands around might be a bridge Too far we can get eye tracking stuff down to the point that your eyes are controlling UI elements are controlling actions I don't know how that works or how that will work yet But to me that's how this will work best We're still gonna look a little weird as we stand there and kind of look around like we don't know what we're doing but It's fine. It's fine. Yeah, I Don't know if I want to have my hands out exactly You just did a thing that made me realize how I don't want to do this in public. I really don't Like I can hide in a room someplace, dude. I can go into my office shut the door. Oh, yeah, totally. Yeah, but out there not so much All right, let's get to our pick of the day Rami from Bethlehem Palestine Was inspired by Patrick picking his aces router yesterday to say I've got one. I love actually he called it better I don't know that it's better. It's the one you love though Rami. It's cool AVM fritz box ADSL modem at En dot AVM dot DE it's a German manufacturer or network of networking products that are very powerful They're not cheap he says but they do offer a lot of features way beyond simple ADSL modem slash routers The latest product the fritz box 7490 gives you your ADSL modem up to 100 megabits per second Which I don't know if that would be enough for Patrick. I don't think he's I think he's on fiber not DSL but okay Latest Wi-Fi standards dual ACNN built-in VPN server VoIP station with an answering machine and fax built-in for both VoIP and fixed line DECT base station to connect to ECT cordless phones directly with the modem USB 3.0 ports for the media station and network attack storage Smart home base for AVM smart home products and they really have a few great smart home products He says and the list goes on security problems with online connected routers Were never affected He's he said not to mention that when there were security problems with online connected routers Their products were never affected. So he's basically saying they haven't had a security problem yet Their main target is the European market, but their products are sold in the US And they also offer cable loans for doxus if you got cable. So there you go I feel like Patrick has so much bandwidth. There is no technology to properly harness it and it makes it They actually It's it's it's probably some crazy Nokia Finland made thing that he has to deal with up there But yeah, Rami has a good suggestion here, especially if you've got DSL or doxus Check out the fritz box. He likes the 7490, but they have lots of them Send your pics to us folks We want to hear from you feedback at daily tech new show comm and you can find more pics at daily tech new show Com slash pics real quick. Let's talk about Microsoft's plan to create a universal platform Across Windows and Xbox Joshua sees Microsoft's approach to a universal apps as a way to get rid of the need to port games to another platform He writes I've suffered through some horrible ports of games that were created with the Xbox in mind And the PC as an afterthought with a sternly example being last year's Batman Ark of night If they're right once run anywhere mindset works This could mean that they would not need the porting teams and expenses spent in the past and they could release on multiple platforms at the same time I'm all for this Conceptually there's a lot of questions though about how this will work now where it does benefit us as gamers very directly is when Microsoft makes a new Halo game. They are the publisher and own the developer who makes that that series Having that come out day and date potentially But at least you know working on both platforms as you would expect them to do for the same amount of money or whatever Is a really great thing and gamers would benefit. However, this doesn't address at all third parties So in the case of Arkham Knight that wouldn't have solved that problem Arkham Knight was published by Warner This new Windows platform could address it It potentially could I guess they want developers to develop their games on the universal platform, right? and if they do Well, and this is this is kind of part of my point if they want say Warner brothers To do that and they want them to put their next Batman game or whatever the example is But they want to put it out this way and they have to adhere to these standards They're basically holding them to some standards that they may or may not want to do they may look at their PC sales and say Those aren't enough for us to want to have to worry about this Let's just do console only and oh guess what? PlayStation is not making us do any of this So we're gonna go ahead and do it there because they're not being picky with us We'll sign a deal with them will make more money because we'll get exclusivity like there's a lot of reasons This could go south for third parties and and so while I am very cautiously optimistic about it Actually, and I think Microsoft has the wherewithal to make it happen They certainly have the platforms to make it happen But the question is how will this be implemented? You know they really jammed games for Windows down our throats when that came out and it was abject Objectively terrible. That was an awful initiative So I I just guess they need to prove it here with the PC stuff because they have been lousy at it in the past Here's maybe a chance to fix all that and then third parties come on board and doing it right Is gonna be a big challenge maybe they're up for yeah They've got to convince the developers and Spencer said that you know pretty much like we've we've got to make it so that developers Want to work on this platform? Yeah? And then there's the hardware Brandon wrote in and said some individuals don't want to worry about the baggage of a PC for their gaming And it's easier to facilitate multiplayer games on a console than on a PC I can see Microsoft releasing a modular Xbox one where the consumer could choose upgrades such as more RAM or a better GPU that can be swapped into the Xbox itself. I don't mean it in a bad way But it would be a PC for the person who doesn't want to build and maintain a gaming PC I think that's a fair idea too But that it opens up another issue if if these machines are being or if these games are gonna be certified to work Both Xbox one and PC you're also kind of short Sheeting a little bit the PC enthusiasts because they're right now running machines That are sometimes three or four times more powerful than the consoles that came out two years ago And in order for them to to maximize their investment in their PC They want to see that things are really being pushed to limits that the consoles can't handle It's part of that cycle that always has been and probably always will be so I'm worried about that too But in regards to his modular approach I don't think it's a bad one But I've heard from some listeners have written in about this issue to me and said look if I wanted a thing I had to upgrade I just get a PC I don't want to buy I want to buy a box that lasts as long as they support it And then I want to get the next one and I'm okay to live through those final couple of years of wow This thing's getting long in the tooth. It's not worth it to me to do the other thing It's why I don't game on a PC. It's a fair point of view And I the question is how many of those people are out there and will that affect their plan or not? I don't know well and honestly, we've already had this It's not like the Xbox in the PlayStation 3 and 360 had the same specs throughout its lifetime, right? But it wasn't upgradeable right so if the new if the new Xbox 360 came out And had a slimmer form factor in a bigger hard drive you'd be like my Xbox 360 is working fine I don't need to buy a new one So it's all about perception because again this all wrestling whether Microsoft is going to deliver on its promise But what Microsoft is saying is we'll have forward and backward compatibility So you put out a game on the Windows Universal platform. It'll work on your Xbox one launch day edition You know, we're not until we stop supporting the Xbox one. You're gonna be fine That's gonna work there that ties in more to your idea of like well How do you manage that if you want to have a game that plays great on the latest and greatest and still have it play on the Xbox one? That's that's a fair question, but Microsoft has got to get people thinking of it as it's an optional upgrade if you want it It's not something you have to get like to be able to play the game. Yeah, I can almost feel it's so funny I can almost feel a collective of PC gamers grunting right now because yeah, you're in their mind They're thinking well if it's gonna run on both of sounds so good from a consumer I don't know anything about gaming machines or hardware level. It sounds great, but when you really start thinking about you realize oh my gosh, they're talking about using a Ancient GPU that's nothing even close to my GTX 980 TI or whatever somebody may have and they're saying it'll work on both Well, if they're they're starting from the the Xbox as the baseline They can't do it the other way because if they start from a high-end, you know GPU Baseline then you you're gonna have to dumb it down for the for the console either way both sides kind of losing that scenario as time Goes on it's great on launch day But give it a you know six months a year or two unless unless that secret sauce in the windows universal platform Somehow makes it really easy to have the game look great on the latest Nvidia card And then downscale elegantly to the Xbox one launch day Well, they do have that option because they control DirectX in a way that nobody else does and yeah are the platform holder for that So so absolutely these things are all possible and that's why I think I'm cautiously optimistic and they've always had their finger on this I don't know why they've never just pulled the trigger to try to figure out a way to really close the gap Maybe this is finally it. I guess I'm just gonna be a little skeptical until we see Finally I was a little skeptical of Eric's email when it when I first started reading it But I think he may have convinced me to put on my tinfoil hat here He was listening to Patrick and myself speculating on other ways to get into the iPhone 5c Then the method that the FBI has outlined in the court case and he wrote What if what the FBI FBI was really looking for here are other Suggestions for getting into the phone regardless of the outcome of this case not even I laughed at myself when I thought of this But then had that hmm moment when I really thought about it It was Apple that wanted this whole fight sealed but the FBI wanted it open We now know for sure of other cases where law enforcement has other iPhones They're trying to get Apple to unlock and the FBI has stated that they've tried everything They could think of to get into this particular phone and now need Apple's help So without asking the public directly could what the FBI really be doing is saying we're tapped out Can anyone else help us here and by going public with this fight? They've now done just that haven't they? interesting I Mean I I'm probably Like when I heard there are other cases I went Oh, so you're doing the biggest one to get the most attention like like if it was just a one case I don't know they didn't do you know you feel like it changes the whole thing to know that there's Many phones that need to be unlocked and that this could potentially apply to all I always assumed there were many I didn't I'd never assumed this was the only phone that the FBI would ever want to unlock So that doesn't doesn't shock me at all I Also wired has a great article today about how the FBI probably has ways to get in this or if they don't they've got friends at The NSA that might be able to help them out and there are various tools that purport to be able to unlock Encrypted phones etc So so I don't know maybe maybe the NSA and say an FBI don't always play well together Maybe the FBI knows the NSA has something and won't let him use it and the FBI I Don't think they're doing this court case simply for this But that may be one of those you know side benefit of this strategy is We expose our need to the crowd and maybe get some folks sending us some ideas. Maybe I don't know I don't want to get a curatorial I don't want to get on Mulder on you here but I drove past the NSA data center that's here in Salt Lake City the very controversial one that they built a Couple years ago, and there were a bunch of black birds all over the place, and I don't mean helicopters I mean like actual birds all over the place and we're a recently. Hmm. Hmm interesting I don't know what it means, but I just wanted to point it out. There was a fly singing in the dead of night Did you say take your broken wing and learn to fly? There were so many there were probably I don't know 200 of these crows or whatever. They were just covering the NSA building, and I I don't know what that means Black bird is very similar to black berry Which has security, but often cooperates with governments. I think I see where you're going with this. 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Oh, very nice Did she say how's Justin Bieber doing? Oh, no, she avoided that topic very much. Yeah We're right thing to do Beaver, but I know that What do you mean? I Have to admit I kind of like some of his new music and I feel a little weird about it Well, you know why because he got what's his face? Well, I can't remember his name now the writer producer somebody The DJ producer. Oh, it's Felix. You got Felix. Oh, we did. Yeah. No, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah I like Skrillex a more of a more of a dead mouse guy and not just because he called out Kanye West for pirating software yesterday I don't know if you guys talked about that at all I'm bad with you wouldn't because it's kind of a team team's a story, but yeah I'm getting kind of caught red-handed Yeah, I read the story He had a pirate Baytab open in a screenshot and that would have been one thing because you could have said Oh, well, maybe he's researching to see if his music is there But it was very clearly the beginning few letters of what like an audio editing program or something $200 thing. Yeah You have to buy or pirate He's bankrupt though, right isn't he in debt like he's If he's really 50 million in debt, then I am rich right now compared to him. Can we call it hollow lens crafters? Yeah, how long ago did we do the Two days again, yeah Might have been Friday Heavy is the head that wears the hollow lens was was Monday, you're right iOS of the mind EY EOS or I OS Everything's coming up augmented. It also has been suggested You are so meta Everything's coming up augmented. It's pretty good. I Kind of love that to be honest. Maybe laugh when you said it. Oh, did I say it? I didn't remember saying it. Yeah You know, it's coming. Do you know where that phrase or phrases based off of everything's coming up roses, right? Yeah, you look great you looks well you got the whole world on a plate, right? Although I'm sure he probably referenced that from the Simpsons when Millhouse was a little was a little more a little despondent that he had these What what do you call it a flood pants Why am I wearing flood pants and then like a Flat a little small tide floods into his room. It says my feet are wet soaking wet, but my pants are bone dry Remember that I'm most of it. I really like I like His album from 2012 whose name escapes me now. I have to go find the real part about I love that one Do you like a rat attack? Yeah, I was all right Everything's coming up augmented. We'll be the title should anyone be audience The one I'm thinking about is album title goes here is the title and it's got amazing song on it And it's huge. It's like 18 tracks and it's huge huge huge I Mean so many At the end of this campaign I could talk politics gonna be so many soundbites I'm glad I find it. I'm glad I finally remembered Skrillex because the only thing that was coming to mind at first was ratskeller We whose ratskeller we had a pizza place called Durat Skeller I think it was a metal band Ratskeller was it? I think of rat raw Scala the full scope Ratskeller pub in Huntington Beach the rat girl remember the rat girl Roger on the cover. Oh, she was the reason I went to album or went to record stores You know at that time I was not allowed to buy my own. I only heard the music. I didn't actually get to oh My gosh, it would know. Yes. It was an Urbana, Illinois band Really? That's why I that's why none of you have ever heard of it Here's a story from the Champaign Urbana news Gazette from 2008 two of the founding members of ratskeller one of the most popular bands in Champaign Urbana history have formed a new band of the Unpossible The impossible. Yes, we do feel hipster cool now that you've heard of something that none of us have ever heard of I already felt hipster cool before that. There's another Simpsons episode where Ralph says What does he say? Tastes like burning now I go something something that's impossible. Oh, no me fail ink because he got his report card English that's impossible. You know what I use that word a lot now impossible. Yeah, it's a good one It's a good one. You mean in flammable means it's not flammable It's so good, dude Simpsons, I mean if you needed to if you needed to pick up on all the memes and kind of the chokes of Human foibles and or at least the American foibles and in society. I think the Simpsons is like your number one repository Yeah, it's pretty good else. I like the brand. I like the Futurama brand of that, too What's funny because it was What was I seeing where he was drawing a bender and he really starts Johnny you think he's drawing Homer It's like, ah, it's just like you had everything else except that he's a little more Devious with a more second. It was saucy. It was a little smarter. Maybe We had a really dense show today because it's taking a long time to export. I Assume that part of the MP3 compression algorithm is sorting through all of the insightful comments That's totally true. Just like I told my mom that every time she buys a new Kindle book It makes her Kindle just a little heavier. Yeah Actually, you know, oh, I wanted to bring up that compression doesn't automatically mean it's lossy. Oh Well, yeah Exactly. That's the idea, right? There's not lossy. Yeah, there's lossy compression and lossless compression Mm-hmm That's when you just make the bits closer together, right? kind of You kind of do it Is it lossless compression when you eliminate redundant information? No, okay, so that that is lossy compression lossy compression Means that you remove data that you supposedly can mathematically put back Got it. I Mean the way I put is like, you know zip files are a form of lossless compression Like you can put anything and they'll compress that like certain Right because you're not losing any data. You're not getting rid of data. Oh, yeah, that's a good point That's all video for the rest of time will be compressed in some way. That's just the way it is Well, so this is the thing that people don't understand analog video And I think Tom we hit on it very well is that analog video is compressed as well I mean VHS video is compressed compared to like a beta cam sp video signal I mean they literally throw away half the half the available Resolution to fit on the quarter inch tape. Yeah, huge amounts of data are lost with every photo you take like when Like when you're watching a blu-ray people think they're seeing oh, I mean it may be the best possible Way you're gonna see Mad Max Fury Road the great movie of 2015 But what a few Oscars I hear it's still yeah, I did, you know, I feel pretty vindicated by the way I think you should I haven't talked to you about any of this since then but I feel I only the only thing I think so I felt a little robbed when George Miller didn't get best director But then I saw Revenant last night and that was a damn fine movie. Yeah, it is amazing too So yeah his style I mean I kind of feel like they're in this they could have it could have gone either ways how I feel Like he they're both in this place of like really unique visual voice Yeah, and and that movie man I'll do one thing I will totally agree with though And I was when I heard it to the author like you can't give that movie best cinematography This doesn't cinematography and Mad Max was crazy and amazing and no one's ever done it like that Then I saw this and went oh no no no they they gave it to the right Yeah, cuz I was I was like oh it's gotta be Mad Max and then they gave it to the Breven and I was like what that's the One that you don't give that man I mean as soon as the Mad Max started cleaning up on all of the those those awards I was like well, it's not gonna win best picture obviously Cuz that's what happens. They're giving it all the technicals and that's what I knew too I was like yeah, there's no way I thought maybe still director But yeah director could have been possible. I was a little I was would have been a little surprised But you know the only reason I thought they might do it is it's your one chance really to give it to him He's probably not gonna be up there again In a rot to is two years in a row now and certainly has more in him like I don't know I think they could have it could have let that one slide, but Whatever, you know, it's We're splitting hairs at some point, but it did did really well Felt vindicated For my love of that film and I still say even after seeing Revenant I put Revenant up in like my top three of 2015, but I'd still get Max on top of everything Oh Yeah, dude Matt max killed it for my for my money best movie I've seen in Probably since I don't know high school Trying to think maybe Maybe dark night in 2008 and even then it's Better than Casablanca. Well, maybe I can't go that far back I mean there are so many great movies in the world and you know when you and I were young And we went to see Casablanca. Yeah after school even Pop into the college, but yeah, it's difficult for me to pick a movie out of this guy that I think I like better right now I liked it that much. I Don't even know the most recent thing in your mind. Maybe it just spoke to so much of what I love You love deserts. Yeah, our chases. He loves water. You have gas Love gas you love dictatorial control over a bunch of I Love tumors stress to people and you know tumors named Barry and Larry and that was good. I like I Like tough ladies with like Axel grease wiped on their forehead. Those are cool missing limbs replaced by Mechanical contraptions. Yep guys. I don't understand how our arm worked because it was awesome That's why Everything about that movie is great because it builds a world without you having to be told and spoke spoon food a spoon-fed everything No, you know, that's not true because if you are a fan of Mad Max and Road War You kind of know how the world is well sort of except I came into this as a Fan of Road War. You're not so much Mad Max. I think the first one's you know It's old and the Indian not great, but the the road There's nothing wrong with it, but it was a little bit more traditional like they were they weren't in the desert They were in this green place. Everybody looked like they just got off work. I don't know it just didn't it doesn't have the same Happen so they had just got off work. That's true I guess and you know the thing is in Mad Max He he ran off into the the great unknown that the part were civilization or what was left as civilization Which I think was Bathurst and Queensland or no, New South Wales and he drove up to like Queensland they made a sharp left into Great outback and then lands Yeah, but even George Miller said, you know, I wasn't quite sure what I was doing But then I knew it the when I got to Road Warrior I knew what world I wanted to build so far right so a George who directed a hit movie Admitted that he really didn't know what he was doing get in that hit movie I know it's not to judge it's never the Georgia thinking of because that other George would never do that Yeah, never admit it. But anyway, he got so he so so that movie established this tone that I think the new one has But I'm I was a big fan of those but I wasn't like this die-hard freak out fan This thing completely changed my brain like it was a very different experience than I expected I was overhyped and still came in Just over the moon about how much I liked it like I don't even know what the magic milk is And I'm willing to admit that I may be the only guy where it hit every single point of light and needed to but man Just stays with me. I think about it all the time. I've seen it seven times I want to watch you see magic milk to the music's great Magic milk to Matthew McConaughey is not now in them. Yeah, it's a little different All right, I'm out of the post. Thanks everybody for watching. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye