 When you were coming up in the world, who were your role models? My parents. I didn't know any children out on the ranch, frankly. And I went to live with my grandmother. I guess she was to go to school in El Paso. She was a nonstop talker. And if her eyes were open, her lips were moving. I had to learn a lot about doing my work and never hearing a word she said. I don't know if that's helped me or not. Maybe it did.