 So you're the super computing here in Denver, and who are you Colin McMurtry associate director at CCS and CSCS is right here. It says the Center for Supercomputing in Switzerland, right? Yep So you have a bunch of craze right now, and it's pretty fast, but you have good Yeah, so we're number three in the world And we're one of the most energy efficient HPC systems at scale So because I saw the top list and there's a couple Chinese in front of you, right? Yeah, but they seem to have So many more cores than you. Yeah You have so many fewer, but you have a high performance. Yeah, that's right. That's to do with the The chip that they use in the Chinese system. I think it has over 250 cores The main small cores maybe right. Yeah, the main processing elements in our system are the NVIDIA P GPUs So that is that the latest GPU for super computing that you have in video? Well, there's the Volta as well. I think you can start to get Volta now as well And so what's the conservation? How do you build this and how big is it? How many? How big is this is this hall with all these computers? 2,000 square meters. So that's about 18,000 square feet is that bigger than the soccer field I don't know. I don't play soccer It's called football, right? They call it soccer here, but I don't know. It's not that big. I don't think and So so what is it being used for? Public good science. So it's Swiss academics And European academics were a tier zero site for price So we offer resources peer-reviewed resources to price and to the Swiss academic community So are you a big team building this working on this? So there's 90 or 91 people in total at work at CSS and So you do design from a conservation of the software to hardware. What do you what do you work on? so We're we're primarily a service delivery organization. So we work on Integration of hardware into the systems with with our vendor partners like in video and cray and we work on middleware libraries and middleware software environments and Infrastructure services APIs and so forth. So rest API's for domain specific platforms. So since when are you in this list top 500? So the system has been number one in Europe for I think some number of years now since Maybe 2014 or something could be five or six years So five or six lists at least I can't remember But quite a while and we've been number three for a year now and Right here. It says It's part of the ETH Zurich. Yeah, is that the is that the best university in the world? What do you think? So ETH Zurich is a technical university in Zurich It has a number of famous Nobel laureates And it's one of the best universities in continental Europe And so that means all the students are working in supercomputing can be part of this and and work towards Optimizing stuff on this doing research with this. Yeah, so we have close collaboration with computer science department at ETH Zurich and other departments like the physics department earth sciences those sorts of things. Is it possible that It can be considered a success the supercomputer, right? And is it possible that that could maybe Be a good argument to build a new bigger one or is anything announced? So CSCS has a mandate from the from the Swiss parliament to to offer HPC services to academia to Enable excellence in science and so from that respect the system is a success and we have a Guaranteed funding Stream and so If I think what you're implying is with your question is will will we continue to develop supercomputing resources at CSCS the answer is yes So for example my website is called ARM devices and now Kray has announced that they're doing ARM supercomputer That might be a interesting option perhaps All right, so we're considering all options for the successor of Pitstein. We're already starting to plan for that system but the the hardware landscape and in the time frame of when we want to put the machine in is is a little bit unknown at the moment but there are many Really rather interesting you hardware processing elements available in that time frame Is there any chance that Switzerland is going to be the first one to reach exascale? I Don't know Maybe I doubt it. There's any chance that you will be the Chinese Switzerland could do that if they really wanted they could they could just go something bigger well, yeah, but you should be careful about that because We we have a specific mission our mission is not to get to the top of the top 500 list our mission is to Provide current currently we're providing petr scale compute resources for academia and We we know what we want to do on the path to exascale, but exascale doesn't mean exa-flop So we have some concrete use cases that we're trying to enable with with an with an exascale style system, but It's not about getting there first or whatever. It's about the science And it's very important to be energy efficient, which is you are are you at the top one of the top, right? Yes, that's the most important because you don't want to use too much power. Yes, and then it doesn't use too much money, right? yeah so the these large systems now are using you know in the megawatt range and That that's a lot of expenditure annually so Part of our mission is is to produce energy efficient HPC systems as well So and we are I think the third most powerful HPC system at scale I think we're number 10 on the green 500 list But most of the systems in that list are a very small fraction of our total Compute capacity so they're they're basically small systems that have been like research systems So you are a big serious one. That's very green. Yes, which is the most important You want to have a supercomputer from our point of view? Yeah, I mean others may have differing opinions But from our perspective that's extremely important