 It was a great talk, up until the point where I got bumped. Who was here at one o'clock to see my talk then, and you came back, I love each and every one of you. You know, I actually live with this guy, so that scares me a lot. It's good to see that half the audience is actually friends of mine, that's cool. It makes me feel special. Okay, this is a lockpick demo here. I'd like to first apologize publicly to my cohorts here, because on the schedule it says more lockpicking virus. It doesn't mention Gurney, Steve, or Hobbit. I am so sorry, guys. Bitch. Whatever. Honestly, my portion of the talks about the handcuffs and hiding picks and all that stuff, these guys are the ones who are going really into the depth of the locks themselves. Every single one of these guys is just incredibly talented. So next year, when we do this talk, I guarantee their names will be on the list. That's where you'll applaud. Okay. I can't stand being up there. Just jump down. I aim for the cup and I hit it. Okay. Just curious, does anyone actually in the audience have any handcuffs? Raise your hand. With you. With you. Mom, put your hand down, okay? All right. All right. I was going to see if I could display. It's kind of funny. I was at H2K up in New York. Anybody else went to H2K in New York? That was a lot of fun. I did a virus talk up there. I'm going to be doing the virus talk tomorrow here at 1 o'clock, hoping that I don't get bumped. I would really like you guys to show up for the virus talk. We're going to be introducing some really new information that you should probably scare the hell out of some of you. Yeah, cool stuff. It is a bad thing, actually. It's a very, very bad thing. All right, so no one here has handcuffs. What type of a hacker convention is this? What's wrong with you people? How quickly? Oh wait, those are Karen's. Karen's won't work. They're not police regulation. Sorry. Never mind. I don't know. Don't sweat it. We got a pair of handcuffs here. They're just kind of stiff. You know, last year when we did this talk, I said, who has handcuffs? Half the audience was like, ooh. I got handcuffs. It's like, for the demo. Oh, sorry. Okay. You bought the handcuffs with you? I'm the warm-up, by the way, for the actual show. So, yeah. I'll be performing twice in Vegas this weekend. Thank you very much. Hey, it's true, too. Rock. Okay, these are standard handcuffs here, except that they're black and the police have the silver ones. Now, show of hands. Who was at my, at the Lockpick demo last year? Okay, so you're going to hear the same damn speech, but most of you guys haven't heard this. What I'm going to show you about picking handcuffs is literally for entertainment value only. As I stated last year, for God's sakes, don't be stupid. If anyone with a badge puts you in a handcuffs, do not pick your way out. I mean, it sounds like a joke, but I know some of you want to do it. For God's sakes, don't do that, all right? Because if you're only being picked up for questioning and you pick your handcuffs, this is not a joke to them, okay? It's like, if you get pulled over for speeding and you try to run away, now you're definitely going to jail, okay? Really, seriously, don't be stupid. This is actually just for entertainment values. I actually got into lockpicking and handcuffs. Well, I got into handcuffs for other reasons, but that's none of your business. I got into picking different locks because I was a professional magician for 15 years. I performed actually all over the country, including here in Vegas. Thank you. So in that 15 years, I actually learned on how to improv picks. I'll give you right now everybody take notes who's got pens. I'll tell you exactly the picks you should carry with you that you will not get in trouble for right now. Ready for the list? It's a long one. There is no waiting. All right, a paperclip. A Leatherman. Thank you. That's it. That's all you need. A paperclip, a Leatherman, I can get you 75% of the locks. Who's going to bust you for a paperclip? Nobody. Who's going to bust you for having a Leatherman? Nobody, but your mom. I just carry the paperclip on my belt loop right here. It's just a paperclip. Carry the Leatherman in my pouch. Cool, no big deal. If I want to show off to my friends, which I actually don't do that often, thank God, or they wouldn't be my friends, you just unfold the paperclip, unfold your Leatherman, bend it up, bend up the tip, so you have a small little pick area. That's your pick, and then you fold up the Leatherman, pull out the screwdriver, and that's your tension bar. I've gone through master locks, gone through dead bolts, gone through many, many different locks. It's not very good for raking, because when you rake a paperclip, it bends too much. Honestly, don't use a smaller paperclip. You want the heavy, heavy-duty paperclips. You know what I want? There's a real thick metal paperclips. They're fantastic. What I'm going to do now is I'm going to get a volunteer from the audience, a female volunteer with pants who doesn't mind me touching her butt. Come here, niece. I know, I love this part of the job. This is another roommate of mine. She doesn't mind you touching my butt. I said I want you to touch my butt. She knows my wife, too. Okay. These are the common picks used for handcuffs. It's a very, very thin piece of spring steel metal. About that long for the visuals here. They're very flexible, and they're actually not just good for picking handcuffs. You can actually use these for tension bars and actually picking other locks. They're very, very good. I'm going to show you how you use them to pick handcuffs. Now, viewer and I, where do I get a piece of metal, this small and this thin? Well, I'm glad you asked. If you ever see a street sweeper going down the street, follow it. These are the bristles. These are the bristles of the street sweepers. They snap off all the time. If you walk about three or four blocks, you can usually pick up about six or seven bristles. That's all you need. Now, for the handcuffs, these are just snapped off. Literally, these are like, I call, raw picks. This one's actually been bent into a tension wrench. What you'll do with these is, if you find them not fitting into the handcuffs very well, when I show you how they actually work, you can file down the edges about halfway, file half of it down just a little bit, like on a grinding stone, to make it a little bit thinner. The width for these are absolutely perfect. Who can tell me the absolute best pick for our pair of handcuffs, aside from these? Anybody? Aki. When I was doing magic shows, I could hide about 500 picks on my body, and you'd be lucky if you found about four or five of them. Now, for the demonstration of where you hide the picks. Nis, can you stand up on the stage, hon? This is Nis' butt. Okay. Can you please show it to the people this way? Oh, I love this view. Okay. The thin metal hides well, and also is very pliable. So what you could do is behind the seams, and behind the loops here, you can hide picks everywhere. Anywhere there's a seam, you can hide one of these picks. Here, multiple ones, along the side. All you have to do is make a, especially this type of a pant, these types of seams. It's a double stitch. This is actually a little hollow inside. If you just tear up the jeans a little bit so they look worn, people don't notice the little hole that this pick slid right into. Ah. I see little light bulbs going on. Oh, I never thought of that. Well, I got paid to think about that. Put them down the sides here, when they're long pants all the way down. You could put tons of these things all over the place. Do not go to the airport and try to get through security. I left a show. I had to catch a plane. I had all the picks on me, and I had to explain to them why I had 32 keys for handcuffs, all these little pieces of wire, and I was pulling them out one by one. I was like, oh, I got this one here, and I got this one here, and I'm putting them on the laser game, and I have 30 pounds, okay? Yeah, and don't go swimming, okay? Just a safety tip. On the belt loops here, always, always, always wear a belt, okay? It's great for hiding things. If someone searches you, because, I mean, obviously, you all want to be professional magicians, right? Yeah, see, that's what I'm doing to stop. I'm progressing the art. Okay. If you have someone search you for the entertainment value and try to find the picks, it's a lot more amazing when you actually get out of the handcuffs. Wear a belt. Wear the belt tight, not loose. You should be able to get your finger in here, okay? It should be uncomfortable for them to get their finger here, especially if they're lower, because I tell you right now, they're not going to want to put their finger behind the belt down here, okay? What I used to do on my pants, and she doesn't have as many loops as I have on mine, I have got like a whole bunch, I would actually sew a key behind every single belt loop all around me. And sometimes I would sew on extra loops. And then what I would do along the top edge here, ignore the underwear, I would also put sheet metal picks along the edges here, along here, down the sides, everywhere. It's kind of hard to put your pants on, because you lift them up and go, Jesus Christ. Now that's not the only place you can actually put picks. The pants is just the beginning. Your shoes can hold a ton of picks along the edges. Once again, your seams are your best friends, because when they patch you down, it's like, okay, whatever, no problem, I don't feel anything, it's no biggie. I love knees, too sweet. So all this stuff is usually oblivious. And what I would sometimes do just so people would actually find them is I make some of the picks obvious, or the one, hey, I found this and I'm going, well duh, you'd have to be an idiot not to find that one, I left it out in the open for you. And I would always keep it like a paperclip, just stuck right here in my back pocket and no matter what, I always left that there, because I always wanted them to go, hey, it's a paperclip, you could use this and pull it away. It's a paperclip out of my back pocket. I was like, whatever. Your shirt, wear a heavy shirt. Sweat shirts are really great for hiding picks on, make little pockets, be a ninja, you know, pocket boy. And the coolest thing that I heard of that just came out, or might have been out, who here has a pierced tongue? Raise your hand. Nobody has a pierced tongue at a hacker convention? Okay, one girl. Andies. Okay, and I know that too, duh. Not like you think. A friend of mine, B-String was telling me on the phone, he goes, dude, you got to check this out. Well, he has his tongue pierced, he's got a barbell. No, you don't have to show your ass no more. Thank you, hand for me. Apparently, they sell the barbell for your pierced tongue. And this would probably work for any other type of piercings? Oh, it's a custom piece? Okay. It's a custom piece for the tongue. And what it is, is it's your little barbell, and if you get your hands up there, you can unscrew the top, and it's a handcuff key. And I'm going, hmm, get my tongue pierced. No, I get other places I hide it. But if you have your tongue pierced, that's like perfect. Who's going to say, let me see that barbell? You're going, these picks can be hidden anywhere. You got a hat, more places than I had the picks. All right, on to the explanation on how picks are worked. I played one of them. Can I have my microphone? God, we got three microphones. Let me have yours. So one other thing that occurred to us before this is that something that I've done from time to time to show where you can hide picks and how much fun you can have with it are lots and lots of very natural places to hide picks. For instance, there we go. Hidden within the beard. Doesn't work on me. You can also tuck them into the hair. You can, you know, if you're wearing hair pins or various things of that sort, I have designed in the past lock picks that are earrings. Very, very stylish. Basically, you know, you want to make it into anything that people aren't looking for. Very true. Glasses, when I was very young, I used to get out of handcuffs using my night brace. All sorts of things. Basically, you're just hiding a piece of metal. There's two different types of handcuffs. This is more the police regulation handcuffs here which are a piece of chain separated by low ball swivels. And it's a ratchet style handcuff. You can buy handcuffs anywhere, people. Just make sure it's a ratchet style handcuff and not the one with the little circle pin thing there because you're not going to really learn how to pick with those. They're not the police regulation ones. You want to play with these. Also, the keyhole is designed with a piece of metal in the center. So it's very difficult to get a piece of metal inside there to actually pick it physically. So it was actually pretty well thought out until I got on the street sweeper and hey, there's a piece of metal and hey, let's try this. The way this works is it has a ratchet that comes down and grabs the teeth. Which keeps you from opening it. All right, that's point one. Neon, can I borrow you a second? I need you to hold the microphone down. Go away, Neon Rain. Okay. Thank you. The way these work is the inside of this has a series of four ratchets shaped like this. And what these do is they come down and they press down this whole section is on a spring and then they bounce up and catch the teeth. Very simplistic thing. The problem here is this is a spring. Now, these wonderful pieces of metal fit perfectly down here to where the springs are. They're also thin enough that they can get between this and the handcuff and actually press the spring down and then boom, this pops open. Now you're going, well, why isn't he demoing this? Because these are not police regulation handcuffs and we didn't grind these. So these don't fit very well in here. It makes it very, very difficult. I don't understand it. You can buy aftermarket handcuffs that are quote unquote police regulation type handcuffs and you actually have to modify these to pick those. But if you actually have real police handcuffs, you don't. Which I don't understand. Because regular police regulation handcuffs, these work perfectly without any modifications. But when you buy them at the alternate toy shop, sometimes you have to file them down. Sometimes you do it. Also, most handcuffs aren't very well oiled when you buy them. You have to oil them to make sure the spring's done well. And police are always very notorious for keeping them very well lubricated. The handcuffs. Okay. Now the cool thing with these type of handcuffs is when you're in the handcuffs, you can twist your wrist to be able to move around to slide the bar down and open up the handcuffs. Great. Well, someone invented these. These are a bitch. Now the thing with the flat bar is the flat bar works great if it's a single lock handcuffs. Which basically means they jump in here and they can still be tightened again. Well, there's a little pan on the side of the handcuffs here that if they double lock the handcuffs, it actually locks that spring in the opposition. Which means that little flat bar doesn't do anything and you're back to a very small paper clip. Or what I like to do is I like to take a sewing needle and I'll hide the sewing needle. And the sewing needle I'll do is I'll bend the sewing needle and it'll fit perfectly inside the lock and it's easy. I'll actually make like a little Z with a sewing needle like this and I can actually put it inside the lock and turn it and actually pick the handcuffs directly that way. But with these you have no hinge. I'm sewing you. Oh, damn. You're good. Here, have a sewing needle. It was in my purse. No comment. But if you look here most of the picks and stuff are too thick to hand here and this slide's right in here and you can go all the way around as it stabs me in the finger wrong end, way to go. By the way, if you use a sewing needle, cut off the tip. It's just a safety thought. But it fits perfectly in here. So it's a lot easier to actually zoom around and actually pick. Sewing needles are great. Thank you. You can have it back. Stab me and I'm bleeding. That's wonderful. Now, I actually got locked up in one of these before and I was going to do an underwater escape which I will never, ever do again. If you ever see magicians doing underwater escapes and you're going, oh, that's not dangerous. He knows where he's going, uh-uh. I know a lot of professional magicians. I know David Copperfield. I know Harry Blackstone Jr. Penn Dragons, Penn and Taylor. I know a lot of these guys and I've talked to some of these people who've attempted. You notice you don't see the underwater illusions with the really big names. There's a reason. There's a lot of people who've nearly drowned on rehearsals. It's really, really dangerous. So here I am being stupid and doing an underwater thing. I did not rehearse. And I said, hey, no sweat. I can hold my breath for four minutes. I was practicing and I know I can pick out, you know, pick these laps. No question that. All I asked was someone bring up a pair of handcuffs. Handcuff me in. I had my picks. I was ready to go. They doused me underwater and someone bought these. But hey, I've never seen those. Shouldn't be a problem. That was almost my famous last words. Literally. Because first thing they did is they put the handcuffs with the locking mechanism toward me. And they're like this and you can't turn. You can't get to the lock. Also... You do have the key for this, right? These are triple locking handcuffs. Triple locking means that without the key, you are totally food-barred. Oh, here. Handcuff me, baby. Who's your daddy? All right. Now the problem here is when these are tied on the wrist, it's very difficult to grab anything and place it in here. I can't turn my wrist. On top of that, I couldn't get into the pick. And all I wanted to do and all I had with me was a single flat bar. This is when I started putting thousands of picks on my body right after this trick. So I had a single flat bar and I couldn't get in here because the son of a bitch triple locked it on me. And I'm sitting there going I'm under water. I can't breathe. I can't get out of this because I was chained behind a pole. I was smart enough to sit there and work out a signal with our stage hands that if I give this signal, it means I'm dying. I made sure to pay him in advance for the show, by the way. A really nice birthday. So I'm sitting there putting the signal and he's talking to some chick. I got bubbles coming out of my mouth and I'm stomping on the cage with one fist like this little bit. And he's sitting there like conceiving them offstage and they're going, so, how you doing? You want to be a magician's assistant? I'm not really a magician, but he is and he finally turned around and in the stage comes up and I'm going, sorry, can't do it. That was probably the most embarrassing time of my life. These are really, really hard to pick. Even with the lock on the other side they're very difficult to pick even with the needle. The hard. So if your girlfriend or boyfriend or both puts you into these and they go out for a sandwich take a nap. You're going to be there for a while. Get me out. This is the other hard part. Thank you, Dan. So, okay. So questions on this portion of the talk? Can you explain that one? The triple walking portions of these? I only know about two of them. It ties me on that one, too, so. They have the, it automatically locks when you first put it down it makes the spring a lot more difficult to press down so that they can be tightened but it's harder to press the spring down. It automatically does that, so that's lock when, then you have the little press in button here and it forces the spring up and you can't get it through the, and it's lock, too. Also, actually maybe they're only double locking. I think they're only double locking. These are. The third ones I saw actually made it so this portion didn't bend. These do. The ones that I saw which are the triple locking ones, these are still a hinge and then you hit the other lock and it's a solid piece of metal and it's like, well, that sucks. A lot. The other thing with these locks are, just for the point, if you can get a pair of these to play with, they got smart on these. When you put the pry bar down here it's almost impossible to get it down less than a millimeter. So you can't even get the pry bar through here to get to the spring anyhow. It's a pain in the butt. I've ground down some my files will play more like, hey, there's no metal left and I still can't get through. So it's a pain. Yes. Actually, I don't see a lot of police officers with them but the ones that have them like to use them a lot. The other thing that police officers like to use is zip ties. There are no picks. Get over it. I don't recommend zip ties when you're playing with somebody else either, by the way, because they're really, really dangerous to cut them off and I don't know about you but I'm really nervous about evening with a knife near my wrist especially if I've had to argue with them in the past two years. Question. What? Oh, thumb cuffs. Actually, someone was supposed to bring me some thumb cuffs because I was going to talk about those. Thumb cuffs actually are a lot like handcuffs because you can actually use the pry bar on them. They just hurt really, really bad as you're trying to wrist or move your wrist around because they actually have teeth on the inside that grip to your thumbs. So if you have sweaty thumbs, why you would have sweaty thumbs, I don't know, but if you have sweaty thumbs, it keeps them from coming off your thumbs. And thumb cuffs hurt a lot. So I've actually gotten out thumb cuffs once. You know, it's funny you mentioned that. Demonstration time. Yay. This is the most popular part last year. I can get out. I'll recommend straight jackets in under 30 seconds. In this instance, he does have something up his sleeves. Here. I want to talk to you about questions. No, do I. I've done this already twice when my right shoulder's got sore. Don't try this at home. You guys have a problem? Yeah. Actually, you're not really born able to do that. When I was five years old, I fell out of a tree about a story and a half. I landed on the brick on my back, and I dislocated both shoulders at the same time. And since then, I'm able to do that. Unlike no kids, and yeah, it was worth it. Yeah, you try to get up when you can't move your arms. It's kind of a bitch, you know. But it doesn't hurt that bad to actually put them back in. It just makes your arms kind of sore like you've like lifted weights for like an hour and a half. Yes, sir. Yes, they do. Yes, they are metal. But you know what? They're not illegal. And really, it depends on how many you have with you in any given density. I've walked through carrying a fair number and they've never cared. Have they been infected? No, I had 200 on me. Plus keys. So, I had a lot of metal. Any other questions? And we're going to continue. Okay, what are street cleaning bristles? He missed the talk. This is a metal. These are the bristles from street sweepers. So, when a street sweeper walks by, just kind of follow it. Like, shh, thank you. Next, shh, thank you. These are actually gritties. Street cleaning bristles in most major cities are everywhere, but you're not really trained to see them. And once you start looking for them, they're everywhere. Well, they're dark and they blend in. They blend in with concrete. And if you start walking along the street just looking for pieces of metal like that, you'll be surprised how many you find. Yeah, that's kind of cool. If you walk barefoot, you find more. Alright, one more question. We're going to move on. You. Well, yeah, you can hide things on steel-toed shoes, but you can get them out. Yeah, you can actually drill a hole, and I mean, that's fine. But, you know what? You get the metal on your laces, too, and it's a lot easier, and you don't have to drill any holes. Because I'm going to go, because that wand just goes, you know, you can have anything there, and just kind of pick up the metal on the shoes anyhow. Belt buckles are my favorite. Oh, my God. And then fire. Pretty huge monster things. Wear a cowboy hat. Yeah. You kind of wander over there, and they're going, hey, that's a nice belt buckle, and behind it you got car keys, you know, all kinds of other crap there, throwing stars, you know. You know, I was like, you know, I did it once when I was 18 going to the airport. I actually had a whole bunch of stuff there. I probably shouldn't have had on the airplane. Okay, go, and I went, oh, God. All right, we're going to continue on. That's my person at the top. Thank you. But I still get to sit up here. Do you want to start with that? This will be up in a moment. Let's start with the diagrams. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not sure. I didn't have to volunteer. That was cool. The board. We are. We are those of board. Okay, I guess we're going to talk about general lockpicking of tin tumbler type locks. And... I don't even know. We got this stuff up there. Probably would be nice to have pictures of the picks. Out there. Anyways, we'll go over some of the... We'll go over some of the... Okay. What a lock is composed of, tin tumbler type lock. I know the graphics are shitty, but deal. You tell her. Yeah. So we got... We're trying a laser pointer. Anyone got a laser pointer? Anyone got a laser pointer? I know. There must be some punk-ass kids with laser pointers. Hey, he's got one. Ask him. Can we borrow that? Can I borrow it? Ooh, and it's green. I'll get it back as it's mine now. I want it green. Thank you. This was just a social engineering experiment. I'll create you hands. It's handcuffs for them. Typical pin tumbler. Obviously a key. And we've got two sets of pins, actually. We've got the key pins because they touch the key. And the drive pins up here. And pushing all that down is a series of springs. When you insert your key, there are these ridges here. The pins fall into those ridges. And this is with the key in. But with the key out, you can see where the pins join here. They don't wind up on this line here, which is actually this area, which is called the plug. And when you put your key in and the key turns, you're turning the plug. That's what rotates. So when you put your key in, these sets of pins all lined up on this line called the shear line. And when those are lined up, then the plug is free to turn. And then the mechanism behind here will unlock the lock. Do you have pictures of? We've got some images of some pick tools. But basically when you're picking, since you don't have the key, you want to be able to create this line of pins lined up on the shear line. And what you do, and I don't know if I have better graphics. Okay. This one may be being out. I don't have a good graphic to show you how the process goes. But when the plug is turned and you have all these pins all in scattered positions, it's going to put some tension on the pins. Even though you may take a lock apart and you take a look, you see these series of holes where all the pins are, they're not all lined up exactly. There's some skewing of the holes for the pins. And that's the sort of defect that you're going to take advantage when you actually do your lock picking. You're going to actually depend on that for the picking. When you rotate the plug, it's combined first. And what you want to do is get these pins pushed up such that they do get to the shear line and then these drive pins because you're turning, get caught up inside up in this area. And if you can do that one by one and get all these drive pins caught up inside of the hole area up in here, then you'll be able to rotate the plug and open the lock. We've got some... Let's take a look at some of the tools here. So here's some of your basic tools. A lot of times you can pick a lock with a method called scrubbing or raking. And I often use a snake shaped tool which is this one. And in that, when you're doing scrubbing or raking, you're putting a light tension on the plug and scrubbing the pins back and forth with your rake tool. And that activity if you're doing it active enough will get all or very many of the pins stuck and you can open the lock. On some better locks that have better tolerances on them you may have to go in and pick the lock pin by pin and in that case you use a half diamond shaped tool or hook shaped tool and you'd actually go in put some tension on the plug and feel for the pins and then push them up one by one until you can get it open. Down here is your torsion wrench which goes into the keyway and that's what you're using to put tension on the plug. So that's kind of an outline of the mechanics and Steve why don't you go ahead and elaborate. The standard way that many of us have used to describe picking locks is that of a door with three doorknobs or some number of doorknobs more than you have hands. The way I usually describe it is you're standing naked in front of a door. The door can open toward you or away from you. If it opens toward you you are allowed to touch one knob at a time or now two knobs at a time, sorry if it opens away from you you're allowed to touch one knob at a time. How do you open the door? Now this will be your standard door where you turn the knob it retracts the bolt and the screen saver goes off. You'll turn the knob and retract the bolt. If you let go of the knob the bolt extends again. So the question is how do you open the door? Do we have any guesses? Over here. Exactly. And then you do what? Correct. Did everyone hear that? Okay. Come on up here. Okay. What he described is that you push on the door and you try each knob and you see which one retracts but doesn't actually re-extend fully. And then when you've done that you go to the next knob and try the same thing and basically by iterating through all of the knobs you're playing on the inefficiencies between the bolt matching up to the hole with the plug, yes. So you'll be rotating the plug and you're going to be searching for the first pin that is binding as you're applying pressure and rotating. Do you have any... Actually if we could go back to the picture of the plug over here. Sadly we only have one projector. By applying tension no, you're feeling it. This will take a moment because this is a very slow laptop. You went one word at a time, didn't you? Did you find the answer if you did not? It was tempest off for somebody else. So what you're doing when you're picking is what you're doing when you're picking is you're applying tension and then you're inserting the pick and you're feeling each pin and lifting it up and one of them will be binding and will be a lot stiffer than all of the others and so you're lifting that up until it's no longer stiff and you have now raised it above the shear line and it will cock just a little bit when you're very early on learning to do this won't even notice it's cocking and that will move it just a little bit forward and then you're moving to the next pin because you already picked one pin you'll do this for four pins, five pins, six pins and when you get to the last pin the lock will open. Any other questions back here? About how many It depends on the lock your standard master we don't actually have any of them here your standard master lock with a little blue band around it usually has four pins a lot of door locks to say your house or your apartment will have five or six pins in fact most office locks will have six a lot of universities will use a multi key system for masters, grandmasters great grandmasters, etc many of those will have seven pins so it really depends on where you're at, etc one of the things that you frequently should do early on is going there with your pick and feel, you should be able to feel and count how many pins you have so we have another question over here that is correct the comment was one of the hardest parts about picking lock is finding which binds first and you can't assume it's going to be the one up front that is correct and in fact one of the things that makes certain types of locks very difficult is when the one that binds the first is the rear most pin and it binds very very high up you have to lift the pin very high which means that you have to get all the way to the rear of the lock lift up the pin and do so without binding anything in front or causing any problems in front Steve I'd like to add another thing there in multiple pin type of locks also I've come across some that you had to start with the second to the last pin and then move up to the front and hit the first pin and then go back down skip two and hit one and then move it that way and those are a bitch to get through the average time for a locksmith someone who's a licensed locksmith to actually get through locks can be up to 25 minutes on a lock they've never used before so when you're playing with locks and you get used to your lock that locks I mean you're going to get through it in a matter of seconds and so forth but when you come across a lock you haven't used this is so you don't get discouraged if you want to go play the first time you try to hit a new lock it could take you 25 minutes it could take you 30 minutes it could take you a couple days before you figure it out but it takes to open up that lock don't be discouraged keep trying I agree one of the things I will recommend is if you know somebody that picks locks have them check it out first and make sure that there's nothing funny in there because there are a couple things that can make your life more difficult in picking the lock and you want to start with something simple start with a four pin or a five pin and work your way up or get graphite powder just another comment think about the door problem again if it opens away from you and you're pushing really hard on it you will be able to feel which knob is stiff because it's latch has got a lot of pressure on it in the door hardware industry it's actually called preload and when you're thinking about electric strikes that have to open under those conditions if somebody's pushing really hard on the door and you've got like a fire safety situation a certain amount of preload to be to be rated a bent screwdriver tension wrench this is your same piece of street cleaner bristle earlier with a little bit of a bend in the end and you use this inserting it into the keyway and rotate something that virus had mentioned earlier graphite lubricant lubrication makes your life so much better for use with locks only for use with locks only and a very serious thing when you feel that you need to lubricate a lock use graphite lubricant don't use WD-40 don't use any sort of oil because if they've used graphite lubricant in there in the past or after that it'll go in there it'll mix with the WD-40 it'll gum up the lock you'll never get it open basically you can use WD-40 and it will work but basically the locksmithing industry has settled on graphite lubricant, it's better and if everybody just sticks with graphite lubricant then you don't have a problem if you start putting WD-40 in there it solidifies, life sucks yeah, be a great piece to the guy who has to take the lock out exactly the unit of it is unix for lock it's good it's better ah, I'm sorry will an allen wrench work? yes an allen wrench will work you'll in most cases have to flatten the sides of it a little bit the problem with most allen wrenches is they'll get too brittle and so at some point you'll be applying tension and it'll snap one of the other things that is largely a style issue is the seric cleaner bristle has a little bit of flex to it and that will absorb most people tend to over torque and just apply too much pressure with the tension wrench and so this is very good at absorbing some of your torque if you're using something like an allen wrench it has no give Hobbit uses a bent nail that he bent 20 some years ago and it works very very well but it's absolutely overwhelming so you have to be very careful about how much tension you're applying even some of the commercial tension wrenches will have a 90 degree twist on it to actually give you even more flex there are some with 90 degree twists there are some with a little spring basically midway down here that will absorb some of the force if you actually check out none of us are affiliated with loom panics so this is not a plug but if you check out the loom panic books they have pictures of lots of different things in there and it's good to thumb through and see what they have wait I have a comment for those of you who are interested in getting into lockpicking you can pick up picks fairly inexpensive they're not very expensive but you will notice when you buy your first set of lockpicks that there's several duplicates of your picks and you're going to ask why don't we have duplicates of picks break you will find especially with tension wrenches until you actually start to get an idea on how much pressure to put down you're going to be breaking tension wrenches buy yourself a cheap set learn on that then buy them I've seen prices on full lock sets that have like 60 pieces up to $800 for the set and then some so start small get a cheap set and get used to replacing the tension wrenches there was a question way back there with a guy actually quick set is great there's actually an interesting aspect to that question the question was for the beginner is there a particular lock that has a set of tolerances that are useful for the beginner making it a little bit easier quick set is very very good in that realm in that they're pretty generic they're nothing fancy they're not real high quality machining they're pretty easy to get through the master padlock standard master padlock you've all seen them laminated sorts of things are very very low tolerances to the point of being incredibly difficult sometimes and there have been numerous situations where people who are very good at picking locks will get hung up on a master padlock just because it's such crap you're picking it you're acting to feel certain things and you're feeling them not because they're there but because it's just not put together terribly well what about the set of locks that you find on a master padlock in your own hand? I've got the answer for that they have what they call set keys for the barrel locks they're actually called barrel locks and what this key is is you place it in there and you apply pressure and what they do is it depends on the special keys for picking these are very stiff and it pushes them back you actually add a lot of pressure and then you pull it out and now you have a perfect key for that specific machine or whatever type of tumbler you're trying to open up and it'll stay that way and then you can actually reset it to use it later now here's the drawback if you need to use it on several machines it's going to take you a while drawback number two there are about three to four hundred dollars each the last time I saw them they were about three hundred four hundred dollars a piece I haven't seen them any too but if you know who I can get them for like 50 bucks I'm so there we'll talk later you can find them for about 50 bucks one of the problems is that there are several different styles left offset, right offset I think there are two separate diameters if I recall the one that I saw will fit them all okay I've bought in my life two of the $50 ones and they're both about that big and relatively small and will fit in your pocket and I've lost both of them so it's kind of a pain in the butt well okay in a payphone a payphone tends to use a different style of lock called a lever lock and a washing machine maybe yeah actually a lot a lot of the a lot of the washing machine locks that I see are actually called abloys which are very big in the UK and Europe and basically everywhere but here except in those cases and there are another entirely different style of lock and very difficult to pick so just a few more comments on equipment what we've described is for getting through the standard four, five, six pin lock it usually comes down to we had the diagram up of the two or three different styles of picks if you buy a pick kit a lot of times the pick kits will have you know 75 different picks you only really need two you need one that's a hook on the end and you need one that's a little bit wavy some people like to have one that's a diamond point all of the other ones just really aren't worth it in my opinion sometimes they will address that one particular lock and get you through it but in the end you should be able to do everything with those two picks and one or two different styles of tension wrenches yes sir very briefly about medical locks what we've described with a normal yeah that we're talking about doing an advanced talk next year so we'll possibly go into that a little bit more what the medico does is with your standard lock you want to raise the pin to the correct height with the medico you have to raise it to the correct height and rotate it to the correct rotation and so actually picking it takes a little more practice and a little more skill and isn't within the scope of this talk so we are actually talking I've been talking to Hobbit and everybody here about we're going to put together an advanced lock picking thing going into the more difficult to the more advanced type of locks and hopefully depending on all of our height influence we may actually present that next year at DEFCON oh by the way I'm hoping to actually have my sponsorship set up for next year's DEFCON I found a group of people who would actually sponsor this virus talk with this lock picking talk they offered to give me like a box a full set of lock picks for me to give out plus raffle off a couple night vision goggles so if I can get the sponsorships keep your fingers crossed people this talk is going to rock next year and the instructor should get night vision goggles too I think so too, I've already got my set that's alright they were talking about giving me like about 200 sets of picks I mean these were nice about $35 sets but on the side note you shouldn't actually need night vision goggles to go through locks you should be able to do it all by field these are the different style of locks you have the hook shaped, the diamond and the rake it's a little more stylized using my job using common geographic figures but that's basically what you're looking at the wrench frequently 90 degree usually a little bit less than 90 degrees so you can get it in there and there will sometimes be different sort of waves so if you have a doorknob with a lock in the handle recessed a bit you can actually get it in there I just wanted to talk this is a slide from the presentation that's posted on the door I have more copies I'll put them out on the table it's also the URL it's up on the door also it's basically a self study course and it will take you from the really easy quick set pin tumbler locks through a pad lock to a wafer style tumbler lock and then to a Schlage pin tumbler which has a little bit better tolerances and is a little bit more difficult there's also some worded locks there for extra credit if you happen to have worded locks the worded locks do take a different type of pick we are running out of time so I'm going to take a couple questions do we have anyone after us pick guns we'll be around a little bit packing up here if you have questions come on up and ask there will be people probably hanging out by the lock board please come and try and pick the locks thank you very much thank you guys