 Hello and welcome to MIPS TV and with me as always is Bob Cook for one of his famous and well of Bob book reviews in this book review, it's a Corker of a book the adult is parent to the child by Keith Tudor SL and all Yeah, he's a professor now in New Zealand. So one of the Universities of New Zealand awkward I think Yeah, and we're saying off-camera that this is a book really about teaching TA or TA as a taught model For young people. So what's the what's the what's the thrust of this book, Bob? Well, I mean Keith Tudor I've known for a long time and you know, I haven't seen him probably for four or five years But he worked he did therapy the McLaren sent him model actually more than transaction houses I think with children and adolescents or children and young people He when he became a teaching supervising transactionist in the TA world he specialized for quite a while in the educational sector within TA and He got together probably I would say who's who of the transaction analyst who were children and adolescents and they've all done a chapter and they spoke The book 2008 it was I look the book in life looking at seriously who's who the last I don't know 15 20 years the people have specialized in how to use TA therapy with children and adolescents or children young people's the books called and I Thought how wonderful for students, but also collection of Who's who people if you like? We're specialized in Working therapy to agree with children and it's from a TA point of view start in itself do me to the book and You know, I've read a lot of books, but it's so nice to pick up a book a specialist book like this and You look at the 18 chapters and you realize what a wealth of knowledge These people are putting down You know in the area of TA of working with children young people So that's immediately Do you know think to me and wonderful for students thinking about how to how to use TA With the younger people Yeah, and so I'm guessing by what you've described and outlined that Bob Well, this is really a useful book for anyone who is a child and adolescent therapist. Oh, yes Yes, I mean even if they don't Even if they don't know and echoes of Tase for example There's many of the chapters one particular one by Marie Norton I can think of and Some of the I can't remember name from Austria talking about how to use the diagrams of paired adult child to help the child Use their creativity to talk about their internal frame of reference of their inner nurturing or demon parents if you like and and really just show how This model parent adult child is very accessible to younger people Yes, because it would be burn himself Use the model didn't it to make psychotherapy Yeah more accessible, you know to move away from the the depths and and and kind of Syrupy pros of a Freud and so and so and to make it a very very accessible every person Therapy. Yeah. Yeah, it's exciting to do that didn't say. Yeah, you right and went to a Took hold if you like in the clinical field, which is where I burn, you know came do this model for really in the 1960s And we went in the different schools which you and me have talked about in different techniques And then he died in 1970, but one of the questions he was asked before, you know Sorry people asked. Where do you think TA would have gone with Eric burn? I'm convinced a Big area of where he would have gone is how to use to children in the old people Yes, because I'm sure the people who are listening know that Eric burn died very very prematurely In terms of it was night. I think it was 1970 died. He wasn't very old as well as his fifties 60 was see those is that it seemed there was so much unfulfilled potential that went with his death and What you're saying is if he had carried on you may very well I've got to the same places to teach you today yeah, so keep you to got these collection of people together and You know I just started to read these chapters. It took me back to when I was a teacher myself because I was a teacher In myself and I also thought about when I was in my postgraduate civil education when I Had a placement with six year olds and seven year olds so I've worked along the spectrum if you like and I Thought I thought if only I know that model there a wonderful model to be able to talk about the very young parent or think about a very young parent What is called P1 in the you know the childhood? So the parent in the child and the adult in the child and the child in the child as An internal model for working transaction analysis So it's a fascinating book just for the origins. So P1 Yeah, that's called the early parent in the child eager state. So you're splitting up the child eager state And the other parent is in the child's in assimilation the very primitive young primitive message from the parents adult is Intuition so it's before pre-operational thinking and The child eager state is very very young sort of six months whether the infancy is the world as feelings or feelings So there's a very very good with structural model for understanding and thinking about an internal framework Of the child eager state up to two years Yes, we're interested. So there's a there's a defined model of Psychological child development in there, which is so important if you're working with children, you know Some people the RJ or the golf ski or, you know, all the other child tried to fight something. Yeah Yeah, but but there's a definite model which can be used I mean, I'm an adult trained. I wasn't child trained But of course I work with the child in the adult if you like in the older Population all the time. So I'm always working with the child anyway, and when people regress or go backwards It's very useful to know what age they've actually gone to because it not only can attune to that age, but you could also Need a child developmental model to look at the developmental tax that perhaps weren't reached or where there was a deficit. So Yeah, you know, if you're on a TA training course, you will learn Child developmental models and you might even be given this book To read So I like that and another chapter in this book. I mean so many I could pick one of them I like is how you use Transaction analysis concepts and thinking in the first session with a child Oh, when I was talking about contracting for example, yes With the adult population techniques now, of course if with a child you have to have contracting with the Significant parent as well. Yes. So there's a lot. There's a lot in Assessing and contracting and what you do when you first work with a say a nine-year-old child Yes, how you include a three-way contract or for a contract with the The pounds. Yes, so for example, yeah, you have to have a really working with anybody under 13 You have to have a triangulation contract Because I know you've worked with Younger children. No, yeah, well here in the UK. We have something called Sometimes it's a phrase of competence, but it's actually gillic competence and for those people who wonder what gillic competence is It goes back to the court case in the 80s where mrs. Gillick Took I think it was a general medical counsel to court or the government because she didn't want doctors prescribing contraception under the age of 18 Back and forth back and forth and back and forth and eventually It led to the Fraser inquiry and the Fraser inquiries as as Inquiries usually do kept a bit of a compromise and basically it's a child who's gillic competent Understands the consequences of their own choices. So if you're a therapist and you are usually over 13 Then you can take a view as a therapist if they are Understanding enough to be able to just work with them in confidence. That's gillic competence. Fraser competence is usually about Fraser Did you ever know much TA when you Take concepts when you're working with children or think about them? Oh, yeah, I mean, I you know, certainly Certainly on a very basic level and adults you know, a lot of people think parent adult and child is about is a is about Literally being a adult a grown-up If that's not the case the adult is is working is working Uncontaminated for very childish feelings or parental interjects And I used to work with that and I used to work with that very simply by just saying so, you know, what? What do you think about it? You know and sometimes Children actually are very very good at this. They would say well This is actually what I want. This is what I'm being told to do and this is why I'm acting out like this But actually if I if this happened that would be okay I mean, it's what they're basically saying is is that a lot of the behavior was usually by interjects In this is of worth or injunctions in the in the TA world And that would that would affect the way they behave. So yeah Once you explain the model, it was really useful because they could think Effectively logically they could they could say this these are the facts and I'm not being contaminated by very childish behavior or Influenced by adults. I mean, of course it goes outside the children need influence of adults and they need to act childishly You know, yeah, and there's a key tutor talks about Of course the idea that you can't just have a child There's always the parent with the child, you know, so you can have a child without the parents No, that's what his book if you like the adult is parent to the child Yeah, I just thought thinking and he talks about that. I like that idea as well It is I would say that one of the things that I came to understand was where it's in areas of attachment That can be very toxic so You know, that's and sometimes non-existent that the child is alone as a child, you know, they Yeah, so if I just look at these chat people you've got You know a whole, you know eight chapters on third beauty practice with children and young people How to use TA in the first meeting How transaction analysis connected with attachment separation and loss Working with Adolescence by Mark Widdison. Oh, yes All these people Therapeutic work with children and parents how you you would bring the parents in or not into the room How TA affects that on becoming a child's psychotherapist from TA creative work with TA the use for Usual concepts here how to use permission potency and protection from the TA world The children I could go on and on TA assessment sheets Signs of symptom abuse safeguarding all from a TA perspective. So It's a wonderful book for people who want to use think or know or how TA is used with children young people from experts Yes, and I'm writing thinking that this is an accessible book. So if someone doesn't come from a transactional analysis Yeah modality they could pick it up people have a software from the from the humanist You can pick it up. Yeah Very much. So, I mean, it's for lots of frames of TA course But many just concepts by using creativity and play with young people I'm sure Roger day who wrote it. It's chapter talks about TA But you know, it all will be about intuition and free play and creativity and dreams Yeah, the layperson also or someone from so class-centered world or or whatever We'll get a lot from reading this these chapters and books Well, it sounds like a very valuable read for those who want to enter the child and adolescent therapy world The book is the adult is the parent to the child. It's by Keith Tudor We're gonna put a link in the comments bar below and so you can go and click through and Investigate it examine it. If this is a sponsored video So this isn't a promotional video Bob just does this for his love of literature I guess we're gonna see you in the next book review Bob. You will I think this one I think it's a 75th book. Yes The next one I think is a 76. So we're heading towards a hundred. Yeah, you know We've got then we got whole library going on here Bob. So until the next time. Thank you very much. Thank you Well, you thank you