 What they gonna do with me now? I'm still a twerk of the town. All the sisters, I'm hooking them down. I'm reaching the smiles and the frowns again. I thought that we claring up. Every time you give up on me, I be calling back, like we done made up. I just want to meet whoever made love. What's up, y'all? It's your girl Brianna Imani. And you're tuned in to another Talk of the Town interview. And who do we have in the building today? What's up, y'all? It's your boy Tucie. And you tuned in to another Talk of the Town interview. Thanks, Koho. So yes, we were so happy to have you here. Thank you for stopping by. Welcome back to New York. How's it been so far? What's going on? Tiring. I ain't got no sleep. No? No. Straight off the plane, working. Straight off the plane to work. So what brought you to New York this time around? This, you know what I mean? Y'all, talk of the town. I'm trying to see what the talk of the town be like. All right, well, we about to show you. So you know, you said on Twitter today, it was like you can't seem to stay out of New York or something like that. What do you think that's about? Oh my God, you went into the tweet. Oh yeah, of course. Of course. Yeah, I don't know. I'll just be working. This is where a lot of the, you know, a lot of the radio stations, a lot of the, you know, I gotta make my stops for the interviews and podcasts and things of that nature. A lot of them come out of New York. Of course, of course, because you know that, boys. Don't cry. EP coming out in a few days. So we definitely, we definitely looking forward to that. So there is something that I have to call you out about that you also posted today. Because you had the audacity to call. Oh, that is trash. If you're about to say anything about the food. I am. I am. Because you had the audacity to come here and that was one of the first things that you said when you got here. What are you going to tell me? Brooklyn Chime House? Okay, no. I feel like I would even keep it very traditional. Even the pizza in New York is fire. The sandwiches in New York is fire. Choc cheese. Yo, y'all best food, y'all best food in New York come from the little shits that be on the. What, the stands? The effects. The effects. That's the best food? The best food. See, I'm extra disappointed because you're from New York. So you should know about it. Upstate though. Even in upstate though. I won't lie, upstate food trash too. I won't disagree. Except for, except for if you go to Buffalo, you know Buffalo wings originated from. Uh huh. I'm going to call out all the people you know in New York. Yeah, New York Friends, your team, everybody. They got to put you on. 5E, call X, all of them. 5E, come on. I know you know this 5E. They got to put you on the way to eat it. Tell, tell everybody that's tell special. Tell everybody that's up here to my New York homeboys. Uh huh. Bay, Bay, you know what I mean? King Combs, Justin, all y'all. Y'all are doing him a disservice. Because there's no way. Full trash. That the first place that you've ever been. Love y'all to death, Roski, full week. Full trash. Y'all come down south. My grandma from Alabama too. Like what? Okay, so if you're making a comparison. I feel like it's also the low key spot too. Because you're talking about the, first of all, if you want to get into it, like, I'm not, not to compare me to your grandma. Who cook better? Tell me who cook better. I'm not comparing me to your grandma. Who cook better? But I could fry mean chicken. I could get down with the collard greens. Who cook better? The mac and cheese and all of that. So if you want to get technical. I'm saying, tell me who cook better though. Out of, out of, out of up north. And I'm from up north. Well, I'm, I have southern family. So I'ma always say. Southern food is the best, right? Yeah, but that don't mean you can't fit it up here. How could you say, how could you say, then how could you say. I have to agree to disagree. Because this is crazy. Brooklyn chop house fire though. I don't want them to think I'll take a shot. Yeah. Brooklyn chop house is cool, but that will even represent New York food. So we just, Brooklyn chop house. By name. Brooklyn chop house. It's Asian food, but it don't represent New York. Is that what it is? It's Asian fusion restaurant. I ain't know that. I ain't know that. That's why that chicken was tasting like that. It tastes like, like, it tastes like, like it had like a, like a, it wasn't, it wasn't American chicken. You get what I'm saying? I hear you. Come on. I'll stop playing, man. Oh my gosh. So we gonna get into it. So you grew up in New York. I know you moved when you were 13. Let me know what like growing up in Syracuse was like for you before you made that move. Oh shit. Man, I don't lie. When people think of upstate, it's not, it's not like what people think. People think of upstate and thinking like, people think of Syracuse and thinking like the university or they think like a lot of white people. That shit ain't like that at all. And so what is it like? It's like your typical hood. Except for it's, it's every single place is a hood. It's, it's no good parts. It's a hood on every block you turn. You turn left. You turn on this street right here. You might be on, you might be on the street that my grandma live on. You turn right and you might, and you go up and you go up one street. You know what I mean? You got like, you got, you know what I mean? Then you go across and you might be in a bricks. You go up by the blue star and make it right. You might be, you might be in a bricks or you make a left and then make another left. And you might be on Midland and Cove and you might be by Kirk Park. Oh, you get into street names and everything. So like outside of the, the people that's that's up, they're going to know like, you know what I mean? It's, it's, it's hoods everywhere. So would you say like outside of like the college town part, it's like the trenches or everything? I'm talking about the, the pH. The pH is called the Pioneer Homes. Pioneer Homes is right out, like across the street. Yeah, Big C. Oh, she know. Or you, you know, I've been to Syracuse. Yeah, I used to know about that. Facts. So you, so you know. Yeah, you know about, yeah, you know about the Carmelo Anthony basketball court right across from the pH and all that. Yeah. Yeah, man. I mean, like the pH, like the Pioneer Homes right, right across the street from Syracuse. You go back there? No. The hell, hell no. Okay. So what are your thoughts on that? Like when artists or not even just artists, but when people make it big, how do you, what are your thoughts on like going back? Some people could do that. I won't lie. I ain't been, I ain't been, I got to ease my way back into that shit. It's, it's, it's a lot going on out there. Like I, I, that's, and that's something that I respect. Like I don't give a fuck what you doing. You got to respect the streets. Like, so I just, that's something I got to ease my way back into. Right. You know what I mean? I know you were supposed to go back a few times for like, performance and stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know why. That don't got nothing to do with me. They think I keep canceling the show. All right. No, that's crazy. That's crazy. I don't got no reason to cancel the show. So like going back to just like you, you being raised in Syracuse, I know that you were raised by your mom, I believe if I'm not mistaken, correct me if I'm wrong. She raised you in a single parent household. Yeah. Like half of my life, Yeah. Because he did play a role. Okay. Shout out to your dad. How was life like growing up with your mom, your siblings? It was cool. I mean, she showed me, it showed me, you know, you know, how to treat a woman. I mean, on top of that just, you know, how hard working a woman could be. My mom was real hard working. So that was something that played a role in everything. Yeah. You speak very highly of her. Like, I, That's super. You speak very highly of her, which I think is very commendable. Like what are some things that, I know you just spoke on a couple, but like some things that she's instilled in you growing up that you still like practice to this day? I was going to say one thing, but they're going to bash me. What? No, I don't know. Just when it comes to my mom, my mom don't talk to me so much. I mean, self-awareness, on top of self-awareness, accountability, things of that nature. I say accountability. You know, my mom always always been a real, take action for, you know, the things that she fought in and things like that. So yeah, accountability. And you said that she showed you what like a hard working woman is. So do you feel like that shaped kind of what your expectations of women are? Yeah, most definitely. Yeah. Definitely, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean that, Mom Doop's always going to do that though. I mean, as a, as a man, your mom always going to be raised by your mom. That's always what you're going to be expecting to see out of your wife. Curious. What are your thoughts on the whole, like, car situation? Like, you have your wife and your mom in the car. Who gets the front seat? What's, what are your thoughts on that? Your wife. I'm curious to know what you think. Your wife, your wife and your mom in the car? Yeah, so basically it's like you in the car, you driving. Yeah. You have your wife and your mother coming in the car. Who takes the front seat and who sits in the back? I get in the back seat. What if they both can't drive? Nah, both of them can't drive. That's crazy. I'm more of a passenger rider though. Okay. So you don't be driving? I be driving. I drive a lot of places, but I'm more of a passenger rider. I'm the one that's going to watch all the mirrors and make sure we, you know what I mean? Make sure we're straight. So, but if it's my mom in my way, my mom probably going to get in the back seat though. My wife. You know what I mean? Your wife come, like the Bible said that's your wife come before anything. You heard some. My mom probably going to get in the back seat. She knows what's up. Okay. Shout out to mom. So you described yourself a couple of times in your interviews as like an Arnold Palmer. You said like you're in New York and you're Wally. So I'm interested to know like what parts of you are New York? What parts of you are New York? My attitude, my attitude still, still New York, but my respect, I give kind of still like Southern. That's Southern hospitality. I got Southern hospitality. I got Southern hospitality, but you know what I mean? You fuck with me. You want to see a different side of me. Did you, did that shock you when you moved out there? The Southern hospitality? Yeah. Because I went to school. A teacher like, I had got like in trouble for not saying yes ma'am or something like that. I was like, yeah bro, like I ain't from here with you. We barely even say yes. We be like, yeah. I was Wally. I was mad. My mom came to the school bugging. On you or on the teacher? No. On the teacher. Oh, okay. You don't have to say yes ma'am and no ma'am. Yeah. It's just respectful. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's Southern hospitality, but Right. Yeah. Like I had just moved up there and like, I ain't say yes ma'am, no ma'am or something like that. And the teacher bugged out. I mean, man, what, my mom wasn't having that. So the real question is, did you stand on that or did you eventually start saying that? Nah, I don't, I respect my elders, but I bugged out that time. I don't lie to her. I'm wild out. I'm wild out. I'm wild out. I ain't never just violate no teacher crazy though. As you shouldn't. Yeah. No, I ain't never just do that. As you shouldn't. No. How though? Now what? Now I'm grown. I don't lie. I don't fool who you is. Oh, okay. I mean, respect is earned, not automatically given sometimes. Yeah, facts, yeah. Earn when you turn 21, when you turn 21. I definitely do that. 18, 21 and you hit less shit on your own. You disrespect me. I'm disrespect you. So how would you describe yourself? I'm so interested. Like how would you describe yourself as a student and as like a kid? Cause you were 13. As a student? Um, as a student, I was smart. I was real smart. I just, I used to keep it myself though. Um, I was popular. I was the dude that everybody knew. Mm hmm. I wasn't really no class clown. You were popular based on personality or because you were already tapping into like. Based on personality. Okay. Yeah, based on personality. I was just known for, and I was already famous. Like, semi famous. I had a buzz. Famous in my city. So talk to me about that. When did that start? How did the buzz get started? Yo, I won't lie. I used to be doing, I used to be doing dub smashes and all that. Yeah. A lot of people don't know that. Yeah. I used to be doing dub smashes and fucking um, I don't know. I used to be dancing and shit. Like the little, like the little little niggas that we doing to hit the folks and all that. Uh huh. Were you on like musically before it was TikTok? I think so. Yeah. Cause that was like a big thing. Wait, shut up. Ain't no way. You didn't know that? Yeah, it was, it's the same app. Yeah. That's literally how it went. It's not the same app though. It's the same app. No, no, it is the same app. And I'll tell you why, because my musically account, when I look it up on TikTok, it's there. I just don't know my password. Shut up. It's the same app bro. You were lying. Look it up. I'm telling you my, my old account is still there. All my old videos and everything musically musically. Yo, it's the same app. I'm going to look it up, I'm going to look it up. I'm surprised that you didn't know that. Why would I know that? Because maybe you had a. They switched the whole name on us. They switched they yeah, but like the accounts is still the same. The premise of the app is the same. I can't find that. I don't want to find that. I don't want to, what kind of stuff you were supposed to have. I was dancing. I ain't no dancing. You were dancing. What's a dance oh, is a dance? I feel like you could bust a couple moves. Man, no. but it's even crazier, cause now I'm about to put the conversation we just had in front of the camera. How dare you judge people for dancing in the club? He was saying, he- I just said, if a pretty girl that's across the room, that I look at, start duggin', in the middle of me looking at her, I'm going to look at her different. Why is you duggin'? But why is the different negative? I feel like if you wanna look at her different, it should be like, oh, she got boobs. Why is you duggin'? Why is you duggin'? Cause the song is lit and I wanna hit my duggy. And you wanna duggy? Yeah. To me that gives- To me? Or wanna hit like a two step, but as a former dancer. Your friend said she was gonna start jerkin'. And I told you how I felt about that. So you told me- I told you how I felt about that. You got on, what the inch, on the heels be? What the inch on the heels, y'all heels be? It don't matter if it was six, eight, eight. Y'all got on like six, six inch heels. Yo, she start jerkin' in six inch heels. I personally feel like that's talent. If you kid jerk, it's six inch heels. If she takin' them off. I feel, if she take them off. If she take them off and she start jerkin', I'ma look at her even more weird cause you just went out your way to take your shoes off. And I understand that. See, I'm with you on that one. Duggy ain't crazy still. I don't care. So, but does that go towards it? Shake a little butt, you know what I mean? Shake a little butt. Shake a little butt. But everybody kids, I feel like it take more skill to do a little choreo. It take more skill to shake that little butt, man. Damn, well, don't go duggin' in a club to see around you. Nah, don't go duggin'. Don't do that one. I don't like it. It's 2022. And? So, how you feel about like the TikTok dances? Cause, listen. I'm a TikTok dancer. Did you see, have you seen me? But my whole, no, listen, cause you didn't let me finish. The TikTok dances, you know how they play a song in a club. And people will do the dances in a club. No, if I catch you doin' that, why can't you say that? Move straight to the right. I don't like, nah, that's cool. You don't think that's contradictory? Nah, that's cool. Because like, when I think of that, I think of like, okay, like we in a club, she don't got our heels. If she's doin' that dance, she don't got our heels. If you try to do that dance in some heels. That's talent. You have no, they don't even. Shout out to you. What? All right, you my skittles. Okay. So, what do you think about the upcoming? Nah, I don't do that shit, man. Go ahead. There you go. I'm sorry. What do you think about the upcoming music scene in New York? Like you have anybody in New York that you fuck with? Free K-Flock, man. Period. I mean, Free K-Flock. I fuck with Ice Spice. Yeah, because I was gonna say, you brought her out. Yeah. And she said that that was the first show that she got brought out for. So, that's real dope. What was that? Like, what made you? Man, I stand soon. What made you bring her out? I be knowin' people gonna blow up before they even blow up. Okay. I don't see, I don't see any shit. So, first I'm gonna ask you, what made you? I'm gonna know that a wig was gonna blow up. I know Ice Spice was gonna blow up. Okay. So, what is it that, what is it about an artist that tells you? You gotta have, you gotta have that stardom where you could look at someone and be like, damn, that's not no regular person. You ever look at them, you ever like speak to somebody and be like, what's your name? Like. Cause you feel like they somebody. Cause you feel like they somebody? Like. So, that's my girl. Look at Ice Spice, light skin, real light girl with the crazy red hair. It's like, yo, you look like you're supposed to be doing something. You know what I mean? She got a nice figure and all that. You look like you're supposed to be doing something. I don't know what it is you're supposed to be doing. It might not, it might not have even been music. It just looks like you're supposed to be doing it. She has a look that we don't see all day. Even to the flow millies. You know what I mean? Cause I don't want them to think it's just a light skin thing. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cause that, okay. There ain't no light skin thing. So you look at it, even Dochi. Like you look at people like that and be like, damn, it's something about you. Like I seen Dochi gonna be big. Cause she her own person. Bitch, I'm nice. You know what I mean? She has Dochi. So speaking of Dochi and, you know, coming from somebody who was in this position last year, what were your thoughts on the freshman list? Did anybody surprise you or were really affected? I don't think nobody surprised me. Okay. You was into them? Who was on the list this year? I seen Dochi. Who else was on the list? No, nobody surprised me. No. It was a couple people. That's a good list. So how did you feel being on the list last year? Shit, it was milestone. I mean shit like that. It's a step towards, you know, the next, the next shit we try and do. You get what I'm saying? Did you feel like it was something that helped push you in the right direction? I feel like it motivated me. But at the end of the day, like XXL is just, XXL is an award. You get what I'm saying? You get an awarded for being one of the hottest artists of the year. So it's more so an award. It ain't like, no, hey, you get XXL and this is gonna happen after you get XXL. Right now. Like I see that and I think, okay, maybe more people are gonna. You don't just get XXL and you gotta stop working because you know you done made it. No, I know that. But I didn't know if maybe like your audience grew or more people were tapping into your music. Yeah, no, I definitely helped. Because XXL got its own fan base. Right. So that's what I meant when I was saying that. Okay, cool. So who would you say like gave you your first like big shot as you were coming up? Dirt? Yeah, a little dirt. So talk to us about that. A little dirt had brought me out of the show. And you know, I'm Durham, North Carolina. I had a song called Red Lights Up. And he brought me out of the show and shit. Like I performed a song in front of like 5,000 people. For the first time. For the first time. And he was singing it word for word. You know what I mean? And ever since then, I was like 18 years old. Ever since then. Like me and Dirt, he's been tapping. What was that feeling like? Like walking out on stage the first time you really being brought out? I was like, damn. I was like, damn. Everybody know this song? You like performing? Hell yeah, I love that shit. What's your favorite part about it? Seeing people. Like seeing the reactions, seeing people, seeing the songs. You got girls in the stands fucking crying. Yeah, we went to, that's exactly what I was about to say. We went to see you at Webster Hall. Can I do that, bro? Yeah. Did I catch it? It was like, yeah, somebody do their phone too. Like they was really going crazy. Pretty girls love Tusi. What's the craziest band interaction that you've had, if any? Oh, man. I had a girl pass out at a show, pass out. Like fake pass out so she can get on stage. And then the shit was crazy. She passed, she like fake passed out. So if you know me, I'm gonna pass out on stage, pass out. Like we got to stop the whole show. See, okay. Was this like following the whole like Travis Scott thing? Yes. Okay. Yeah. She passed out in the column. Whoa, stop the music. Tell my security, pull her up, pull her up on stage, but like get her taken to the back. She more fucking, we lift her up, start walking her to the back, cross stage. She. Uh-uh, not turning. She get to turn it up. I say, damn. She broke character. Man, I bust out laughing. I couldn't even do nothing. Oh my gosh. So what would you say has been like the most memorable moment for you? Like as you're coming up? I think my most memorable moment probably gonna be just right away to. Yes, right away, Mariah, the scientists. I love them both. How did, how did that come about? Um, honestly, I don't know. We got the same booking agent. Um, so being that we got the same booking agent, it's kind of like, you know, and then, um, me and Ry kind of got the same fan base. He just got a bigger fan base than me. So it was like, I don't know. It was, it was, it was something that was kind of like, you know, meant to have an affair and kept asking for us to do a song. Instead of like, you know, just going ahead and doing a song. He was going on tour. My booking agent, um, called me. It was like, yo, uh, your name been being brought up. Um, your name been being brought up on this, on this right way to her. You know, right, right. I want you to come on tour with him. Like, shit, let's do it. That's, that's the biggest. I think that's dope. Cause we want to shout out to him. Shout out to him. I mean, I think with him, like as an artist, he, he's, he's like, he, he, he like the epitome of making it out of the bottom. You know what I mean? Like, um, I seen what he came from or like, and not from, not from knowing him before, um, just watching his success story, watching interviews, watching, you know, certain stuff. Cause like after he, he tapped into me, I kind of like tapped into him. And then my girlfriend love his music too. So that was kind of like. And you can feel that like he literally has been through what he talks about. Like you feel the desire. You feel the passion. Yeah. Like he, he, he, he, he kind of in his own world. Like, you know, like we got the same fan base, but he, he make a different style of music. Like. So how would you consider your style of music? So with him, he make ghetto gospel with me. Um, like, and it's, I don't know. I don't really don't know no other artists that make ghetto gospel. Like, no, that's he in his own world. Like it's, yeah, his own world. Um, it's kind of the same, but I consider my music to be like, uh, I don't know. Like my music be trapped. So we get what I'm saying. Like somebody's intelligent. Yeah. Like that's all of this. It's trapped. So, so who would you say influenced your sound? Um, honestly, I listen to pop music if I do listen to music. So I would say like the, the Ed Sheeran's, the, yeah, the Ed Sheeran's, the Jason Murray's, he's the Billie Eilish's, stuff like that. Okay. So you signed to South Coast Music Group. What made you sign to independent label? Um, you know, before I, before I got any shoes where I'm at today, I, I, I felt like the right thing to do was just you know, before we walk into a major, do something independently, build, build everything the way I needed to get into and then walk into a major deal. So it was just like a strategy thing. Okay. And I remember hearing you talk about that and you being signed to the same label as the baby. And once he started kind of getting blackboard, so they say, you know, you started feeling that in your music too. Yeah. How would you like, can you explain that? Honestly, I don't feel like it affected my music. It didn't affect my music. Oh, the way it was received? Well, it affected the relationships that my, that my CEO got. Okay. Yeah, it ain't, it ain't really affect my music because I'm, I'm gonna be my own artist, but you know, you know, that's, that's my CEO got his relationships. But then, you know, it's like a lot of relationships they, they built together. Um, and you know, when, when he started going through what he was going through, it's like, you got people looking at the whole label sideways, but you can't stop greatness. What are your, what are your thoughts on being blackboard though? Like, what do you, do you really think that there is such thing as being blackboard? I don't, I don't think, I don't, I don't think it's really a matter of being blackboard. I think, I don't think it's a matter of being blackboard. I think it's like really some follow the leadership. Like one person stop fucking with you. Everybody stop. Yeah. Like it's gonna follow the leadership for real, for real. Like, I mean, and in this world, right, we living right now, we really can't control it. It's, it's, it's with the media into the whole cancel culture and things like that. Like, it's, it's a thing now. So, you know what I mean? You just got to go with what, what, what the industry is flowing with. So, you know, if the fans or if it won't even be motherfuckers, that's fans of you canceling you. It'd be motherfuckers who don't like you canceling you. And then outside of the motherfuckers that don't like you canceling you and make the motherfuckers, it's like hypnotizing the motherfuckers who do like you to think that they don't fuck with you no more. When in reality, all it is is a hater being a hater and, and certain motherfuckers be getting tricked out of that position of thinking, hey, damn, the fans don't like this nigga no more. And I'm a fan. So now I don't kind of like this nigga no more. Like it's just a matter of people just operate from a mind outside of their own. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people don't think on their own, you know, and that's all right. So in a situation like that, of course, you can't control, you know, how people receive you and how they choose to, if they choose to fuck with you or not. Yeah. But in certain cases, you can choose what you're putting out. And of course I got to call you out because you had all of us concerned. Because we was tuned and we wanted to listen and you just said, fuck this shit. I'm out. I'm bipolar though. So I, you know what I mean? Like with me though, it was like, I was probably mad for like an hour. I went live. So it's so crazy though. Like, because the world flipped it and made it seem as if like the world flipped it and made it seem as if I said that it was the fans for whatever had happened. Yes. I never said that it was the fans for. Okay. So do you want to set the record? I completely agree. And I actually wanted to talk to you about that. Do you want to set the record straight about that? What you meant? I mean, so I feel like, I feel like with that, with all it was, was, you know, it's a time and a place for everything. And on top of being in a time and a place for everything, like a lot of shit just don't need to be said, you know. So I'm young still and I make mistakes. And what I said was kind of like invasive and it was wrong. It was disrespectful to what I got going on. But I feel like, you know, shouldn't nobody else, shouldn't nobody else feel no way about that? Because at the end of the day, that's what I got going on. Yeah. And you know what? I agree. And I feel like. But at the end of the day as a fan, no, you know what I mean? I will get, I will get their concerns. It's my fault to cut you off. I will get their concerns. So I feel like when I had made the message of saying, like, you know, fuck the fame, I wish I never, I wish I never, you know, started rapping for people, blah, blah, blah, whatever the case may be. I mean, I come from a personal, a personal lifestyle, you know, sitting in the closet and writing my music and never letting nobody hear. You know what I mean? And it just felt like, you know, ever since I started releasing music and making music, it became invasive. I mean, everybody, you want to be in your business. Everybody wants to go online. Everybody's got to even put on what you do. And it just, it just kind of became a lot. So, I mean, I had gotten to that moment of damn, like, fuck this shit. And that's what I took from what you were saying. I really didn't think that it was more so. Yeah, I never said, I never said, damn, how the fuck. And, and it wasn't like, damn, how the fuck. It wasn't like, damn, the fans done got me caught. It was like, yo, like, first off, the fan, I went on the internet and told people. Yeah, to me, watching it, it felt like you were more so saying, like, you didn't want to have certain things put out on the media because you didn't want people idolizing what you had going on because everybody isn't perfect. And what you have going on in your personal life shouldn't affect the music that you're making. Yeah, it was, it was a simple fact that, you know, no matter, no matter what it might look like that I put out, me not perfect. And that's all it was. But the world didn't have to, I could have did it that a different way. The world didn't have to know. That's all it was. Yeah. And I, you know what? I commend you for acknowledging that. Oh, yeah, for sure. I mean, at the end of the day, when you're wrong, you're wrong. Like, but, but being, making a mistake, don't make you who you is. It's like, you know, constantly repeating some shit, all right, cool, but making, making a mistake, don't make you who you is. But yeah. So how do you feel about that now you're in, we're in an age where everybody kind of is expecting for you to post pieces of your personal life on social media. So how do you separate the personal life from your artistry? I don't know. I'm still figuring out. And when I do figure it out, you know, I do it, but I don't think I ever figure it out. I feel like it's always going to be a part where a point in my life where they want to be invasive in. And I feel like it's always going to be a story to be told. I mean, story sale. You know what I mean? It's a story sale. We won't, we won't live in a world where no more word TMZ is major. We live in a world where everybody seems to wear. That's the fact. So we, okay, we're going to lighten the mood a little bit. Boys don't cry coming out soon. I know you have a song already out. Love is, I want to play a quick little game with you just to see where your head is at. So the way you're about to do this is I'm going to start off by saying something. Hey, I go with the game. We love the games on the talk of the town side. So I'm going to start off by saying love is or you know, something else. You have to finish it, but you got to do it quick. Okay, ready? All right. Come on. Love is music is special. Blogs are crazy. I feel my best when I make music. My favorite project is platinum art. When I feel sad, I make music. My favorite word is dumb. I hate when people act dumb. Social media is dumb. Relationships are weird. My fans are lovely. My favorite memory is when I ask my girlfriend to be my girlfriend. The best artist ever is to see my family is special. My dream is for me to get a Grammy. And boys don't cry is going to be the best project that you ever fucking heard because every other project fucking. No, I'm playing. Boys don't cry is going to be the best project ever. One of the best projects. One of the best EPs this year. I'm definitely looking forward to it. I like that you've been putting out some snippets. I like that we already have a visual. Like you, you're doing your thing. So I have a lot of things. We got something special coming to the day of the release. You know what I mean? I'm going to do a big live performance. So yeah, it's going to be a big live performance. This will be out by then. Well, I'm definitely looking forward to it. I know you said Butterfly was your favorite song on the EP. I don't know. I think I think people are like the date night records. That's what I literally was going to say that. That's my favorite one so far. Because when I saw you post that little snippet. I said, oh, it's like, it's like a little, a little, a little. It's like a little, yeah, yeah, yeah. But now the butterfly work on my favorite one though. Uh huh. And why is that? Because now by the time people see this, they going to be able to hear it. The way it just come in. Like, you know what I mean? The first, the first, it comes straight in to the verse. You know what I mean? And the first, the first thing you say is treated like a lady. But I'm talking like, oh, you know what I mean? I feel like that's going to, I feel like that's going to hit home, man. So what's the difference between the Boyz old quad 2C that we're about to see on this EP and like the Why Not Now 2017? Man, Why Not Now? I don't know. Why Not Now was crazy. Cause that's, it's been a five year difference. Why Not Now, I was just making music. Boyz don't cry. It got a little bit more meaning to it. So yeah. Okay. Well, we're definitely looking forward to what I know you got to go. So I'm not going to keep it for too long. But before you do go, are there any like words of advice or things that you would like to tell people who may look up to you? Yeah. Man, stay consistent. Only God could judge you and at the end of the day, like, man, if you were going to talk, yo, listen, I live off hate. You've heard, I live off hate. Every day I wake up, we keep me going. And he's knowing that somebody out there who think I ain't shit or think I ain't going to be shit. Oh, that's not what I was expecting. Yeah, no. I mean, it comes with the territory though. Man, listen, I'm talking about, you know those things in the high, the high school yearbooks where it be like, like the superlatives, like most likely to. Most likely to, like, my most likely was most likely to become something people thought they wouldn't. Like that was my most likely to look where a nigga, ain't nobody never like this shit is a mob. So when I started label, I got a company right now called Plot Twist. Like my whole lifestyle of Plot Twist. Ain't nobody expect this shit to be what it is. You heard? See, I don't even know if we have time for it, but I want to get into that real quick. Wait, so talk to us about Plot Twist. What is what's that about? Plot Twist is just like a Plot Twist. Like, you ain't, like, you know what I mean? It's like, it's like the whole story changing. How are you going to use the word in the definition? I'm asking you about what you say you got a, you got a brand. You say, like, that's just. What you wanted to be. What do I want it to be? What did you want to be when you grew up? I done switched through so many different careers, honestly. Plot Twist did so many times. I see what you did there. You get what I'm saying? Yeah. Like, I, I started off playing sports. I started off red, I mean not red, I know you used to play like football. Football, baseball, basketball. I started doing all of that. Ain't nobody, you couldn't, couldn't nobody six years ago look and tell me Tuesday going to be a famous rapper or not even that seven, 10 years ago. Couldn't nobody look and tell me like this nigga going to be a famous rapper. Couldn't nobody say that shit. I'm from a small town where, where ain't nobody ever made it. Name a rapper from Syracuse, New York right now. Listen, don't put me, even if you didn't put me on the spot. That's what I'm saying. You can't name one because we don't got one. Only rapper from Syracuse, New York is Post Malone and motherfuckers don't even know that he from here. He moved when he was a baby. That's he here because I wouldn't have known that. Even out of Raleigh, North Carolina, we never really had no PD not, PD Pablo now from Raleigh, is he? Based in Raleigh from Greenville. So that was the closest thing we ever had. Like so. So do you think things are like, sorry, I don't want to cut you up. Now you good. Do you think things are like written in the stars or do you feel like you just got to change? Different things to get to ultimately where you supposed to go. I don't know about nothing else. My story, Rick, though, this shit up. I ain't know why you can't. Can't nobody stop my story. This shit, Rick, like if the world really could see what. I know what's about to happen. Motherfuckers money. Motherfuckers to think twice before they treat a nigga how they treating it. And that passion in your story is the reason why you can't pull no shit like that again. Don't tell us that you're not making no more music and all of that. Don't do that because you had a shuck. Like he's not serious right now. Whatever I said, it was a publicity stunt. No, it wasn't though. I was dead ass going through the shit. Because you don't you don't you don't give me that. I was I was dead in hell. No, I don't need no fuck. Yeah, you don't give me that shit. I was dead ass going through something. I was hurting for I was hurting forever. My mom. I'm sure. But so so I don't I don't be hurting for long. My mom feels was hurt for like an hour. And I was like, yo, who the fuck is they talking to? Like not the fans. But the other people are like, who the fuck are they talking to? Y'all don't know me or the fuck. Well, I know you got to go boys on car coming out soon. Looking forward to hearing it. Anything else that you want to say? Any last words? No, man, just stay consistent. You know what I mean? Boys don't cry out loud into the fans. I love y'all. Y'all could be whatever y'all want in life. You know, look at her. Thank you for stopping by. It was so good to have you.