 So let's just take a moment to please pray and then we will get started. Manika, would you be able to please just pray and consecrate this time to the Lord? To know the fact that you are doing your graces with us Lord, thank you Father for being with us from few months, few years, Lord. Thanking you Lord for everything that you have given us Lord. Lord the Father as we start the day with mentoring our Lord the Father, being with us Lord. As whatever we discuss here the questions will come up Lord the Father help us to understand, help us to know about your kingdom more Lord. Lord help us to give us the wisdom and knowledge Lord. Father God let each of us I submit each of us into your almighty hand. Lord the Father let you lead everyone wherever they are, in which area they are working, in which area they are growing in their knowledge. Lord the Father help us to grow with your knowledge and whatever you have planned for us Lord the Father, whatever your purpose for us Lord the Father. Lead us to complete it, lead us to fulfill for the kingdom Lord. Thank you Father God I pray this very new name. Amen. Thank you. Good morning everyone. Thank you for connecting to this call. We just leave this time open so that we can interact. Those who want to ask questions welcome to ask questions or there's something you want to share. You're welcome to share. So yeah the time is open. You're welcome to ask questions and or if you want to clarify some things or share some things you're welcome to do that. Alright Charles you want to, Charles you want to get us started? You want to ask your question? No. I'm happy for the morning. I can still find a study here in Africa in Uganda. Sorry Charles. I don't have a, can you hear me? Okay now it's better. Yeah I don't have a question. I have come to listen. Okay good, good. Thank you. Alright so we have a question on the chat from John Paul. How does the Bible interpret taking vows? Could you explain how the Bible took us and Kiria in the book of Acts? Yeah so in the, you know, making vows we see that in the Old Testament. And you know the book of Ecclesiastes says you know if you make a vow make sure you keep it. Now I'm just referring to the Old Testament understanding of this. But, so let me just give you the scripture here. I'm just turning my Bible. Where is this here? I can't, I can't just, 5-5? 5 is it? Thank you. Yeah, yeah good. Thank you. Thank you. So yeah Ecclesiastes is 5-5 right? So the Old Testament understanding was you know you make a promise. You make a vow by something higher and bigger than you. As though they're going to hold you responsible. Or making a vow to God as a pledge. Almost like you know God you do this and I will do this kind of thing. And we see that, we see examples of that in the Old Testament. The most saddest of those cases is that of Jeftab and he says, he makes a vow to God that you know God blesses him in his engagement, his fight. The first thing he sees you know he will offer to God and when he goes back home he sees his daughter coming running out. So all of those things you know we've seen the Old Testament. But when we come to the New Testament I think it's in Matthew 5 when Jesus teaches us he says don't say anything wrong. This is Matthew 5 was 33. You know don't swear. That was 33 to 37. That's ESPS and you know we know. So in the New Testament the instruction is don't even bother to do this. Whether you're doing it on an earthly level or even with God. Don't do this. It's not needed and we do not engage with God on the basis of the Old Testament understanding. So the New Testament, the relationship with God in the New Testament has been changed. It is something that's completely free. It's based on the freedom that we have in Christ. The freedom that we have through what Christ has done for us. Now if somebody wants to do something that's entirely their choice. So if somebody says God and there are people who do that these days. Even here of famous preachers or ministers who do some things like this. They may say you know every week, two days a week I will fast. So it's a commitment they've made between them and God or things like that. So you find something similar in Paul's case. Where you know honest though at the end of his third missionary journey. He determines to go to Jerusalem. Of course he's going back to Jerusalem with carrying. I hope I'm not mixed this up but he's carrying the offering back to Judea to the people in Judea. They're going through difficulties. They're going through the time of famine and so on. So he's bringing aid back to Jerusalem. So that's part of his mission in returning back to Jerusalem towards the end of the third mission journey. Another thing that also Paul is trying to do in his third mission journey is he's trying to. So you know Paul was in a very difficult situation. He was a Jew. He's preaching Christ. He's an apostle to the Gentiles. But now the Jewish Christians are questioning Paul. Where are you? And you find this in the early church. It was a big problem starting you know. And so they had even the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15 to decide what to do. Then subsequently there is another situation where Peter plays a double game. The apostle Peter right. When he meets the Gentiles he sits and eats with the Gentiles. When the Jews come he withdraws from the Gentiles. And so Paul rebukes Peter about that double standard that he was demonstrating. So you can imagine the apostles are actually going through a problem. They are originally Jews. Now they're mingling with Gentiles because they're preaching the gospel. But technically Jews don't mingle with Gentiles like this. But they're going through this whole transition period. So Paul is also in a similar situation and he makes certain decisions. You know for example he circumcises Timothy. He has Titus with him who was also a convert. So there's a lot of these dynamics going on. So one of his intentions, the second intention when he goes back to Jerusalem is to kind of demonstrate to the Jews that he's not against. You know in some way he's trying to demonstrate to them that he's still connected with the Jewish people. He loves them and he expresses this even in Romans 9. So one of the things he wants to do is he wants to go back to Jerusalem and he wants to keep a vow. He wants to demonstrate in Jerusalem to the community that he still honors the faith of his fathers. And that's why he says, you know, I'm going to go and give my hair, basically shave myself in Jerusalem making a vow. It's an act of demonstration showing that he's still honoring the fathers. But that is the thing that really gets him into trouble. Because as soon as he goes back to Jerusalem and he walks into the temple in order to keep his vow, that very thing gets him in trouble. The Jews turn against him. They catch him. And from then on it's a big journey of trouble for Paul because they catch him. Then they bring him to court. Then for two years he's kept under house arrest in Caesarea. And there he appeals to Caesar. Then after two years from Caesarea he makes the journey to Rome. So if you ask, you know, what was the motivation in Paul keeping this vow? It's not something, you know, some big thing as he's trying to relate to God, but more so as an act of trying to appease the Jewish people, the Jewish community, that he still honors the faith of his fathers. And you can see, you know, and you can see some of this that comes out in his writing. For instance, in Romans chapter 10, you know, he says, you know, Romans 10, 1 and 2, he says, you know, I pray that Israel will be saved. So although he's an apostle to the Gentiles, his heart is for the Jewish people also. And this is one of the things he's doing, trying to show that he still honors that. So that's the motivation behind Paul's, you know, going to Jerusalem, taking a vow, shaving his hair and so on and so forth. But in the New Testament, we don't need to do it. If people of their own choice want to do it, it's between them and God. But there's no need to do it. Our relationship with God is something that's of the spirit, and there is liberty rather than, you know, what you do, what you don't do and touch and taste. And we read about that. It's actually coming up in this sermon of in Christ, in Christ City, sermon on the 12th of September. We get into all those scriptures about the liberty that we have in Christ. But I will just, you know, mention the scripture you're in. Actually, there are several scriptures. But if you look at Galatians 6, I just quickly mentioned this one here. Sorry. Galatians 4, Paul himself writes, you know, why do you, Galatians 4, 9 and 10, why do you submit yourself to weak and beggly elements? You observe days, months, seasons and years. Yeah, and also in Colossians. He talks about, don't do this, don't do that. It's Colossians 2, 16 and 17. Watch a drink, keeping days, observing things. So, you know, don't, our life in Christ is completely free. So I hope I answered your question, John. I tried to put a lot of stuff together in a few minutes, but okay. Okay. Zalatoli. What's the Bible take on doing good works? How to explain to someone who thinks doing good works will save them? All right. I'll let Prasate Kumar answer this one from Zalatoli on good works, please. Yeah, thank you, Basta. So, doing good works, definitely we are, as believers, we are, we are exalted to, you know, do good works. And these works are actually draw people to the Father. We are to keep them. However, good works come out of our faith. It's faith essential and good works flow out of that. And good works don't save people. And I think Ephesians chapter 2 is very clear. Chapter 2 and verses 8 and 9 are very clear. For by grace, you have been saved through faith. And that not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. So it's in Ephesians 2, 8 and 9. Very clear that we have been saved by grace, saved through faith in Christ. And it's not by work. So that's, you know, very clear. So I think people want to look for evidence of works in the sense, you know, people are saying that, okay, I have faith and there's no good works following, right? So maybe that's why some people, you know, say, you know, you need to have good works. Well, the Bible does say that we need to have good works. And, you know, like if you look at James chapter 2 and verse 17, it says, thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. And 17 to 26, James actually explains about how faith needs to, you know, lead to good works or acts of the works of faith. And in verse 26 says, for as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. So we see the connection between faith and works. So when it comes to salvation, right? When it comes to salvation, it is by faith in Christ and it is the grace of God. It is definitely not by performance, not by any works. And Ephesians 2 is a scripture that you can point to people. Thank you. Okay, is that okay? So that's all. Any, do you have a follow-up question? You're fine with that. Okay, thank you so much, pastors. Like, you know, one of my friends said, you know, all the Hindus, the Muslims, they do good works, you know. Why, I try to explain to him that good works will save them. But he did not agree on that point. So how would I explain to him clearly? Yeah, so, you know, we can use this scripture. You probably already know this, Isaiah 64 verse 6, right? It says, all our righteousness, all our good works, right, are like Isaiah 64 verse 6. All our good works are like filthy rags. So that's one thing that means we do good works. But our good works in the sight of a holy God are just still unacceptable. Why? Many times our motivation is in question, right? For example, and we're not discrediting good works, but in the context of your question, right, about being saved through good works. So our motivation, many times our motivations are wrong, right? So sometimes people do good works so that they may be seen by others. Sometimes people do good works as though they are trying to bargain with God. Yesterday I did five wrongs, but today I'll do six good, you know. So the motivation is not real to help somebody. So they may be, you know, they may be giving food to six people, but they're actually, that giving food is a bargain with God, you know. So there's a, you know, misplaced motivation. So Isaiah 64 verse 6, all our righteousness are like filthy rags. Second is to understand how God sees sin. How does God see our good works? Isaiah 64 verse 6. How does God see sin? Romans 6, 23, we know this. The wages of sin is death. That means even if I do one wrong, the only way I can account for that before God is I have to be separated from God eternally. One sin, one sin is enough. No amount of good works can account for that one sin. Why? Because God is absolutely holy, absolutely holy. And even one sin makes me a sinner before God. That means I am, one sin disqualifies me from standing in the presence of God. Period. You can put it like this. Suppose I have a white shirt and, you know, I just have one dot, one black dot. It's a perfectly white shirt. But the moment I have one black dot, that perfection, that cleanliness of that white shirt is gone. Only one dot. The rest of the shirt is white, very white. But one dot, it mars that whiteness. It disqualifies that perfection. So that's the position of every person before God. And the Bible is very clear that the result of sin is death, which means I have to die. I have to be separated from God eternally in hell to pay for that one sin. And no amount of good works can substitute for that. So, you know, so the way to present it is God is absolutely holy. Even a small imperfection disqualifies us from standing or being in his presence. So on the basis of this, there's only one way to salvation. It is an imperfect, a perfect one paying the penalty for our imperfections. And there could be only one perfect one, which is when God became a man. No man could rise to that level of perfection. Through any amount of works, through penance, through prayers, through pilgrimages, no person could rise to that level of absolute perfection. The only one who could be absolutely perfect is if God became a man and he being a sinless one could then become the substitute for the sinful one and pay our price. So that's where the redemption comes in. Does that help in explaining? Okay. All right. Thank you. Let's look at the next question. All right. Diana's question. Nancy, would you like to take up Diana's question? Maybe you could read it. Yes. Yes, Pastor. Yes. Thank you, Pastor. Yeah. Thank you, Diana, for the question. So, Diana, right. I have heard several definitions of binding and losing, especially in the context with binding spirits. When we bind and cast out, where do these spirits go? Also, what does this verse mean in context with binding and losing? Matthew 16, verse 19, and I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatever you lose on earth will be lost in heaven. Thank you, Diana. I'll try and share my thoughts. Yes. So, binding and losing. Yes, we do see a lot of that in the context of binding spirits. And by binding spirits or losing, what we are actually doing is we're exercising our spiritual authority. So, that's what we're doing. And when we talk about spirits or demonic spirits, they're basically disembodied being spirits. So, we cast them out of people or if they are influencing a particular situation. Basically, we are disallowing them from sort of engaging in that situation or circumstance when we use our authority. So, that's what we're doing. When either we release the command of, I bind the spirit of strife. You might want to say that if, let's say, just for example, if there's strife in the house and you sense that that could be a demonic influence. So, you would use your spiritual authority and say, I bind that spirit of strife in the name of Jesus. So, then you are disallowing that spirit to influence. And then, yes, of course, with our wisdom and our responsibility, we would also need to do whatever needs to be done in order to bring peace in the situation in addition to the praying and taking authority. When we disallow spirits or disengage spirits from circumstances or in the case of casting out demon spirits, we see Jesus do that. What we see in scripture is that these spirits, where do these spirits go? They're still around. They're still around and they're looking for a host because they want a space to dwell in. They want a living space which we know that they dwell in. They could live in humans or they could dwell in animals or objects, spaces. So, they're trying to find a dwelling place. And obviously, we also know that believers, we have the Holy Spirit living on the inside of us. So, these spirits cannot come and possess a believer. Now, coming to the question that you've asked here about what does the verse mean in the context of binding and losing? Here, what Jesus was saying is, because he has given us the authority of the kingdom, what we can do is we can release the works of heaven here on earth. So, when we are losing heaven on earth, it means the joy, the peace, whatever is part of the kingdom of heaven, with that authority, we're able to release that here on earth. And similarly, when we say something like, we bind on earth, what is bound in heaven. Now, we see in heaven there's no sin, there's no interference of Satan. There's no works of darkness over there. So, when we see that in heaven, we can use our authority and say, anything that qualifies as the work of the enemy in my life, I bind that in the name of Jesus. So, basically, you're binding the things that don't exist in heaven, right? Because we want to see heaven here on earth and Jesus has given us the keys of the kingdom or the authority of the kingdom to release heaven in our midst. So, I think I will leave it at that, Pastor. There's any more thoughts? Yeah, that's good. Thank you. Yeah. So, the scripture that you were referring to was Matthew 1244. So, basically, to sum up what Nancy was saying, today we don't have authority to send spirits to hell. We don't do that. Otherwise, by now the church would have sent all the spirits to hell and tear up earth, but we don't do that. And we expel spirits out of a person or out of a situation. They wander around through dry places, Matthew 1243. But then they keep looking for opportunities into fear. And so, this is an ongoing struggle. When things will happen, is when they will be cleared out of earth, it's in Revelation 20, right? When Jesus comes, Satan is bound for a thousand years. Revelation 24. And then at the end of the thousand years, they are dealt with forever. Revelation 20 verse 15. But till then, you know, the battle continues. And like Nancy explained, it's binding and losing as, you know, it's like a policeman, stop, allow, disallow. So that's the authorities given us on the earth, dealing with people and situations and so on. Is that okay, Diana? Any follow-up questions? Okay. All right. Thank you. Let's go to the next one. All right. So next one is from Parambir about covenant relationship. So the covenant relationship, you know, like we see between people in the Old Testament, we don't practice that today in the New Testament. We don't do that. It's not something the Bible tells us to do. It's just a yes and a no. So Jesus said, let your yes be yes, your no be no. So we don't practice those kinds of relationships. But what the Bible does teach us is, and I'm referencing 1 Corinthians 10, 16 and 17. 1 Corinthians 10, 16 to 17 is that all of us in the body of Christ are in covenant relationship with each other because we partake of, we are part of the covenant that we have with Almighty God. So Paul explains that, you know, when we drink the cup, it's a fellowship. It's a communion with everybody else in the body of Christ. And when we eat the bread, it's a communion with everybody else in the body of Christ. So in that sense, as believers, we are in covenant, not only with God, but also with each other. But it's not the same as, you know, like the covenant that people made with each other in the Old Testament. So that's important. So to answer your question, we don't do that. We don't practice that in the New Testament. Now there are some misapplications of the Old Testament today in the church. So typically the scenario that you find is a pastor telling people to be in covenant with him. I feel that's more of a controlled strategy rather than any spiritual meaning. So he says, you are in covenant with me. So you have to only come and worship here. You only have to, you know, pray at this altar. You only have to give money to this altar. It is a controlled strategy, not a genuine covenant before God. You don't find that in the New Testament. But a lot of believers don't understand it. So they say, I'm in covenant with this man of God. I will give my money here. I will pray at this altar and this man of God covers me. It's not a New Testament teaching. It's a misapplication of Old Testament, you know, human covenant relationship. In the New Testament, all of us believers are in one covenant relationship. It's with the Lord Jesus Christ through his blood, the New Covenant. And that covenant puts us in a relationship with each other because we eat the same bread and drink the same cup. To that extent, we are in fellowship. The purpose of covenant is fellowship. So even on human terms, we fellowship with everyone else in the body of Christ. But to extend that and, you know, misapply it as a controlled strategy, whether from a pastor to a congregation or between people, it's a misapplication of covenant relationships. Does that help? Yeah, Pastor, thank you. Okay. Let's go to the next question. Charles. So for the good works to be meaningful, one has to be a child of God. Yes, Charles. Because we are righteous. Then what we do becomes works of righteousness. We go from being darkness to light. So then what we do becomes works of light. The people are able to see our good works and glorify our Father who is in heaven. Okay. Jordan. It's not all the ones in a way separate from God. So does it mean we are returned separate from God? Or can we go back? God's love. It says the Father is one kind. All right. So there's somebody who would like to just quickly explain Salvation here to Jordan's question. Who wants to take this up? Let's say, you know, Jane, do you want to take this up? Question from Jordan. So he's talking about in the e-learning God's love that he's talking about foundation's course chapter two, the love of God. And so I think it's just a simple understanding of Salvation, what it is. Would you like to share that with Jordan, please? First, I'm not sure if I understood the question. Was it just that if with one sin, would they be eternally separated from God? And would they go back? Yeah, so I think we need a differentiate between the state of a sinner and state of a believer. Since, you know, maybe a simple explanation on that would help. Okay. I'm trying my best to do this. Yeah. So Jordan, so as scripture says, all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and Salvation comes from the name of Jesus Christ alone. So when we confess, as it says in Romans 10 verse nine, when we confess our sins, believe that Jesus Christ is Lord, we will be saved. So that is the root of Salvation, where we acknowledge that we are sinners, come to a place of repentance and come to believe that Salvation comes only because of what Jesus has done for us on the cross. And through that forgiveness, we are set free. So that's our root of Salvation. Now, when there is, when there is a sinner who continues to sin, does not come to a place of repentance, there needs to be Salvation that should, you know, that that should come by. But if it is a believer who comes back to a place of sinfulness, there is the, you know, the God opens up for us the ability to go back in repentance again over again, seeking the power of the Holy Spirit to be able to walk through a path of righteousness. Another thing that we do also understand is not just, by the power of the cross, it's just not the forgiveness of sin, but also the power of sin over us that has been disarmed and that has been destroyed. So when, and that's, that's the finished work of God on the cross. So the more that we believe and stand in appropriation of that truth over us and seek the presence of the Holy Spirit to help us to aid us through temptations, because it also says that, you know, no temptation, that is, that is there is, you know, no time, sorry, I'm not able to get the right words if someone could help me with that words. No. First Corinthians 1013. There's no temptation overtaken here. Yes, overtaken. Yes. Yes. Except what is common to man, but God is faithful, will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you're able, but with the temptation make a way of escape. Yeah. Right. Yeah. So with that, it's the power of the Holy Spirit that helps us to overcome sin with understanding these truths that the cross has taken away, disarmed the power and the hold of sin over us, and that we walk in righteousness because of what he's done for us on the cross. Yes, Pastor. Thank you. Thank you. Jordan, does that answer your question? Do you have a follow up or is it clear? Okay. Thank you. Good. Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Let's see. I have a follow up. Okay. Go ahead, Charles. Charles, go ahead. I'll put it in the chat from Hebrews chapter 6. Can you see it? Yes. Yes. That would be my follow up. How would that correspond with what our brother was asking? Yeah. So who would like to handle this? Take one, would you want to handle it? This is Hebrews 6, 4 and 6. Yeah. Thanks, Pastor. So it's talking about Hebrews 6. Paul is actually, I mean, sorry, the writer of Hebrews is encouraging the believers. And here we see that increasing believers to actually leave the elementary discussions, principles of Christ and go on to perfection. And then even before that, you know, he's talking about going on to maturity, solid food and all that. So he's talking about how this particular verse is saying, you know, ones who are enlightened meaning that once you are believers, you're walking in the power of the spirit and you've tasted the good word of God and powers of which you come. So if they fall away to renew them to repentance. And he also finishes by saying, you know, and he also describes, you know, in verse 7, the earth which drinks in the rain and bears herbs useful for those cultivated receives blessings from God. But if it bears thorns and dryers, it is rejected and the end is to be burned and all that. And verse 9, he says, but beloved, we are confident of better things concerning you. Yes, things that accompany salvation, though we speak of this manner. So he's really warning the believer and he's saying, you know, as you've been like the earth that is receiving the good rain and, you know, the expectation is that the ground will be cultivated and it will bear fruit, it will bear herbs useful for mankind. So that is the expectation and you have, you know, really experienced the power of God, you experienced the word of God. And so the outcome is that you walk in fruitfulness and be a blessing and so on. But if a person rejects, if a person falls away, you know, willfully saying that I'm rejecting all this, I'm, you know, falling away willfully, then it is difficult because unless that person then, you know, himself or herself comes back or comes to himself or herself and depends and comes back, you know. So it is going to be difficult if they willingly walk away from all that. So that is the warning that the writer of Hebrews gives here. But you know, verse nine is encouragement where he says, you know, we are confident of better things concerning you, better things concerning salvation. So in the light of the context which, you know, with Jordan shared, is it possible to walk away from God? Is it possible to reject? Well, you know, humanly we know that it is possible. You can reject everything. But you and I cannot ascertain, you know, has that person lost salvation? You know, has that person lost their, you know, that destiny with God? Is that person. We cannot really make that, you know, make that statement or come to that conclusion because we know that God is able to save to the utmost and once a person depends, that forgiveness is available even for such a person. So, yeah, I would just respond that way. Charles, yeah. Charles, is that clear? Right. So just to kind of sum it up, the Bible does, you know, like, there is a line that you cross where a person, a believer can cross and then it, it, this applies. You know, it's impossible to get them back. But we don't know, you know, who has crossed that line. We don't know if anyone has crossed the line. So, like what Pastor Tickma said, we are not going to judge people from our side. We are also always going to believe that, you know, God will save them. We're going to do what we can to reach them. We talk about believers who are, you know, wandering away from the faith. It's, we leave that to God. You know, that is not for us to decide. But we know that's possible. Yeah. A person who was once a believer may wander away from the faith and Paul actually repeats the same thing in Hebrew. I'm not saying Paul, the writer of Hebrews. He repeats the same thing in Hebrews 10, 38 and 39. You know, God says, if anyone draws back, my soul will have no pleasure in him. But he says we are not to the perdition. We're not of those who draw back to perdition. It's their eternal destruction. So that's possible. But we let God handle it. You know, our goal is to believe the best and pray for people and, you know, do that. Okay. Good. Any other questions, please? How about how are you? Not sure. All right. Okay. I don't see any more questions coming. So let's take some time just to. Abhishek. Ephesians 1, verse 10. Rosalind, you would like to take this up question from Abhishek. Ephesians chapter 1 and verse 10. Please. I'm not sure. They're doing okay. Thank you. So verse says to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ. From my understanding, Paul mentions the fullness of time referring to just the right time or God's perfect timing. I think he also uses that language in Galatians chapter 4. I think it's worse for it, I'm not sure. Nothing, it says like when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his son. So he's just emphasizing on God's perfect timing. And also another thing, like the recurring theme in Paul's letters is the concept of his heart for unity. You know, unity amongst believers and saints and whatnot. So that's what I get off it. The fullness of time simply is pointing out to God's perfect timing. And that's again, Paul's heart for unity among saints. It's all a good gather for me now. Yeah. Yeah, so, you know, so Paul, yeah, I'll just continue from where Roshan shared. Yeah, so he's talking about Paul is unveiling the mystery of God's plan. What has God planned for the ages? So there are things that God has already fulfilled that have been fulfilled, but are things that are kept for the future. So we're Stan and, you know, he's talking about those that which is that God is going to do this. What's he going to do in the dispensational fullness of times? He's going to gather together in one. Right. So you find, you know, so when you, you know, you want to understand, okay, what is he talking about? Well, you find, you know, you look at a lot of other references of Paul talking about the same thing. For instance, he talks about, you know, in chapter two and verse 15, that in Christ, now he's brought the Jew and Gentile and he makes one new man. Right. So that's one aspect of gathering all together in Christ. It was two in Gentile gathering together in Christ. Right. Then he also talks about, you know, all who are one in heaven and on earth. So this is repeated in chapter three. Right. And he talks about this. And I says, Obama needs to father verse 15, efficient three, the whole family in heaven and earth. That means there are saints who are in heaven. There are saints who are on earth. He's going to gather us all together in one. Right. Efficient three 15. He also find Paul using the same thing in collusion chapter two and verse 16, that he repeats this. He says that through the redemption that he has, not verse 15, sorry, collusions one verse 20, collusions one verse 20. So through the redemption that's in Christ, what's it going to do? He's going to reconcile all things to Christ, to the Father through Christ. That means he's going to bring all this back. So if you trace Paul's unveiling of the mystery, he's basically saying, time is coming and everything will be brought back to the Father through Christ. Right. Juvencentile. Those are saints who are in heaven, saints who are on earth and everything that's been lost will be brought back to Christ. Now you find this very interesting, even in Peter seven and acts three 21. Right. Then he says, the heavens must retain Christ until he comes and there was 21 acts three, the restoration of all things takes place. So again, Peter himself is preaching this. Right. So what we are understanding in the unveiling of the mystery is the time will come. Everything will be through Christ will be reconciled. When will this happen in the fullness of time? So what he's really referring to is when you go back, when you go into Revelation and we already referenced this over in Revelation 20 when everything is, you know, put down and all things are restored back to the Father. And that's like the grand culmination of everything. But this is what in Ephesians 110 Paul is, you know, having a preview of that, that, you know, in the fullness of times everything will be brought back to the Father. You know, saints who are in heaven, saints who are on earth, they'll all be brought together. And the Jew and Gentile, everyone will be restored to the Father. Is it okay? We check. So that's what he's referring to. Okay. Okay. We've got two minutes. We're going to close in prayer. And we will dismiss. Thank you each one for being part of the call today. We've had some interesting questions. So it helps us also learn as we, you know, receive your questions and it helps make us think. And respond to these questions. So it's a very helpful time for all of us. Okay. Let me say, I'll just invite somebody to please close in prayer and dismiss us. How about, all right, let me ask Dave, Dave, would you close and dismiss us in prayer, please? Sure. Father, we thank you. Thank you for this short talk. Thank you for this session, Lord Jesus. This has been an interesting session. Thank you. God, you are so wonderful. You have been so gracious, Lord Jesus. You have helped us to learn from so well-established and so experienced children of God, Lord Jesus, that we can learn from them. Thank you. I pray that your prayers be upon the APC, Lord Jesus, and the whole ministry and everything that they are doing, Lord Jesus. Thank you, Father, for this session. And as we move away from other things, Lord Jesus, this spirit and this lecture, Lord Jesus. In the mighty name of Jesus, I pray, amen. Amen. Thank you, everyone. Thank you for taking the time to be part of the call today. I appreciate it. We will take a break.