 I'm not vegan because mostly medical reasons. I need to consume meat. What's up? Do you want to have a discussion? Oh yes, sure. Okay, let's go. Here, give it to these. Oh, a veggie. Thanks, mate. You're a legend. What's your name, bro? Chris, good to meet you, Chris. Legend. I didn't know to do that. Come sit down, brother. It's a veggie bar. It's great to meet you, mate. Thanks, brother. Great work, man. Cheers, mate. Thank you, bro. Take care, mate. Take care, Chris. Thank you. Thank you so much, man. Legend, brother. Hello. Hello. Yes. So you've sat down. What's your name? Joel. Seen the sign? What do you think of the sign? It says, why aren't you vegan? Well, I'm not vegan because mostly medical reasons. I have a vitamin B12, a vitamin D deficiency. So my body just doesn't absorb them as much as normal people do. That means I'm already on supplements for everything. But I also need to consume meat. So you're saying that you have a condition that gives you a vitamin B12 and a vitamin D deficiency? Yeah. OK. What's it called? I don't know exactly. But your doctor's told you that? OK. And you want a vitamin D and vitamin B12 supplement? Yeah. And does that handle your deficiency? Well, it keeps it maintainable. Where do you get vitamin D in terms of food? Vitamin D is from the sun, of course. So you don't need to eat animal products for vitamin D, yeah? No. So the only other one is... It's false vitamin B12. So you eat animal products to get vitamin B12? Yeah. Do you know how much you derive from animal products? I don't know exactly. So you don't say I need four eggs? This amount of chicken? One time per week, I eat a meal with meat in it and it mostly derives from cows. I mean, I want to go against your doctor's advice here, but I'm just curious why you couldn't get B12 from a supplement. I mean, for the past 10 years, I haven't had to eat meat for B12. So I should be incredibly deficient. But I just take a supplement for that. Yeah. If I'm just going on supplements, I'd either have to get a very high dose of supplements. So you say you eat beef once a week? Yeah. And how much? Just an average? 50 grams. Of what kind of beef? Mint, sirloin steak? I just got a... I'd have to ask my parents, but... I don't know exactly. Well, let's just go beef, sirloin steak, 100 grams. Let's have a look at how much B12 we've got in here. We've got about 84% of your B12 in there. Daily target is 2.4 here. So it's about two micrograms. Let's go nutritional yeast, actually. So 10 grams of nutritional yeast has 200% B12. So twice as much and for just a sprinkle, 10 grams. B12 is so easy to dose. Yeah. That you're getting a trivial amount from me anyway. And if you're already supplemented, you'd have to increase your supplement by a tiny amount to be vegan. So long as it's only vitamin D and B12, that you're a nuisance of concern for you? Of course, I have to talk to my doctor. And what's happened there? Of course, you've got to talk to your doctor. I just don't see how beef is a necessary element to tackle these conditions. Yeah. Because the bottom of B12 is inside of this animal. There's different amounts in beef, depending on where you get it. The cow might be exposed to more cobalt in the soil, supplemented more in this farm. And it's a supplement they give to the cows, often. Or as grass-feeding cows, they get it from the dirt. Some dirt has less B12. Some dirt has more B12 because they basically eat the dirt. And then they create the B12 within. So you don't get an accurate reading of B12 when you eat beef. Some place could be less. Some place could be more. But with a supplement, you know. Which is much safer for you anyway. Still, my question would be, why aren't you vegan? Let's ask you this. Before you answer, do you think what happens to animals in order for us to eat them is wrong? Yes. So do you think we morally should be vegan? Yeah, I think what's happening in the meat industry, I don't know how it's written because I'm from the Netherlands. It's the same shit, a different country. Yeah. The Netherlands is very big on meat export. So a lot of animals die. And I am against that. So why do I ask? Why do you think I ask people to be vegan, though? Because I'm trying to force my lifestyle on to them. Why do you think I would care if someone's not vegan? Why do you think I would care? Well, because if you're not vegan, you get animal products, which is... So when someone goes to the store, they buy the animal products, they take it off the shelf. How do they replace the animal product? By killing more animals. Yeah. So why do I care if someone's not vegan? Because more animals get killed. For them? Yeah. Yeah, so it's not like they're having some personal choice and I'm some dictator in a cult trying to like force them to live my way. It's that their lifestyle directly harms, violates the rights of animals. And the longer they're not vegan, the more that happens for them. So I try to convince people to stop creating that demand. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. You think it's morally wrong what happens to animals in factory farms, slaughterhouses? Yeah. Do you think it's even wrong if we treat them nicely and then cut their head off for a sandwich? So we're much nicer to them than in a factory farm. So we have this auction, factory farm, torturing them, killing them. Grass, free-ranging grass, fed beef. We take them to a slaughterhouse. They don't want to die there. They're in the knockbox. They don't know what's going to happen. We shoot them in the head, cut their head off. Yeah. Are you OK with that? I think it's better, but still not right. This is worse. This is still, I would say, they're violating the animals right to life by murdering them. Now, we have a vegan option here. Plant agriculture is not perfect, but it's certainly not an animal rights violation to protect our crops or protect human food resources. There's a clear animal being taken against their will and murdered here to eat their body in this situation. And this situation is just complete suffering, abomination, and then killing, which is where most people get most of their animal parts from. So you, I see you're a good person, and already told, don't even have to tell me. Knowing now how much of a marginal difference in supplementation you would have to do to replace the B12 you get from me, would you now consider being a vegan? I would think about it. Yeah. Have you ever seen what goes on inside of factory farms and slaughterhouses? Well, I haven't been to slaughterhouses. I have once been to an animal auction. But have you seen the videos? No, I haven't. OK, so first thing would be to watch Dominion. OK. It's essentially one of the best animal rights documentaries in terms of what happens to each animal that exists on Earth, and this is all secretly filmed. And the practices don't vary much from country to country, but you can check out your country on my website at the bottom of each page. There's free help going vegan. You can either go Veganuary or Challenge 22, and they just coach you and help you. Or you can just type in how to go vegan on YouTube and there's heaps of resources now. Back when I went vegan, there was hardly anything. Now, you've got the luxury to know the truth. And because you know the truth, you then have the duty to act, because people who don't know don't really have as much of a duty as those who do know. You care. So people who care are more likely to make changes. People who don't care ain't going to change anything because they just continue with their lives and don't give a s**t. Now you've got information on how to change. Yeah. So what are you going to do? You leave today? You think about it? It's a seed planted? Of course, you're not going to change your whole life right now, but I'm just giving you all those options. I do think what you're doing here is very nice. Did it make you think a little differently about everything? Well, it was funny, because I was walking around. And it wasn't the question I was expecting on the paper, because mostly it's alt-right. You thought it was like a Stephen Crowder, right wing? Yeah, like that. And it's very funny to see like, oh, it's not. Yeah, we're just asking people to care about justice and equality, but not just for humans, but for also animals, sentient animals, the ones that can experience the world, deserve to have rights, protecting them like we do. Not exactly the same, but at least a right not to be enslaved and killed for like a trivial thing, like a sandwich that we forget about. You can make personal decisions every day that add up over time and that make a big impact. And then you can change other people, which makes an even bigger impact. And you can be like the change you want to see. Well, that's your mate, take care. Enjoy. See you later. Love you, Teddy. Thank you, mate. I live it. Hello, how are you? You OK? My name is Maria. Hi, Marie. Miguel. Miguel. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too. Good follow you. Ah, cool. Good follow you. We are big and full. We are huge. Oh, wow. Three years old. Nice. And I'm a big fan. Yeah, good. Yes, let's go. Thank you so much. Nice to meet you. Thank you for your support. Give up the support. Oh, I will try my best. Thank you too. You talk so good for it. Well. Thank you for the support. Thank you so much. Really nice to meet you. Take care. Bye-bye.