 Because that's the thing I can't understand when people do certain things. And I'm like, it's his car. So police is already tracking that. Why wouldn't you think that? Cause I thought he was dead. My fall partner, uh, I told him, Hey, where's the keys? And, uh, my fall partner sitting there with him. Well, he's still alive. I said, well, cut his throat. Wow. And my fall partner had found a lock timer, old timers lock blade. And that thing was duller than his pen is on the side. Thank God. Didn't register to me. If it had, I probably would have told him to get a butcher knife. Yeah. Okay. Get him some tissue. Mm hmm. They take a break for a second. Just get him, get him some. It's all right, bro. But that, you know, when you go back to those places where, where you, where, where all these incidents happen, it's a cleansing point really to be honest with you, so you have to, you have to go down those roads just to, you know, just to, um, really, really, really do some, you know, some soul searching, right? But, but at 15 years old, that had to be pretty tough, you know, to, to have to try to fit in for yourself early on like that. So as you was, um, we're going to get back into it. Did you ever, you ended up going to prison? Yeah, I ended up going to prison at the age of 19, 19, about, you know, a second time, went back, you know, had three, then they gave me an aggravated life sentence for the third time. Wow. They give you aggravated life sentence. What was that for? Well, they took their cases. They did what? Took, taken a death case and made them out of aggravated. Wow. Do you think this was something that was over, over the top? Yes. I think it was. You see what I'm saying? What county was it? Where was Dallas? Was it a judge or something that had a thing to where they was trying to make an example? A lot of you? Well, not so close to judge that used to the Mike, to judge that used to be in that courtroom. He went and went for it. So they waited and put a visit judge in there. Okay. And that's how it ended up. You get an aggravated life sentence when they knew it was a theft case. Wow. Did you try to appeal it? Meeting a cigarette at that. Really? The Safeway Stokes back then. Meeting a cigarette? Yes. Made an aggravated robbery then, you know, and I didn't understand that. And you had a pistol? Did you? I should have. Yeah, because if it's aggravated, it costs me out like that in a, I never robbed anybody. But I ended up with a robbery case. Wow. They just slid it in there and, you know, just crossed me out. So the court system was corrupt? Yeah, it really was, you understand me? It still is. I just, I wouldn't say that I was guilty for no aggravated robbery. If anything, theft, like it was. Wow. Nothing, no evidence. Just for somebody to say he's the one. And that was the butchering, you know, they had no meat, no cigarette, no knife, no nothing. How old was you at this time? About 20 something? I was a, how old I was. Because you was 19 at first. At the first one, right. I got a life sentence at the age of 27. OK. And so that was his third time. Yeah. So I was asking because I wanted to know how much aggravated life carried at that time, what you had to do before you could come up for parole. Well, you aggravated life. So I've done twenty one calories a year. Wow. So you did twenty one years. Come on, that time. Yeah, I don't come on at the age of 42. Wow. I'm sixty seven now. Mr. A lot of your life still having to deal with parole. Yeah, for the rest of my life. And I've seen a fireplace poker. I picked it up and grabbed it by the hook and I went in and I hit him thirty two times in the back of the head. Wow. It's by the grace of God. Thirty two times. And I don't believe it was for him. It was for me that he lived. That's that anger you were letting out. He was a Shriners. Wow. And Shriners are making supporters. Correct. He was a Shriners. And to top it off, they are also the ones that support some of the Bishop Boys Club camp. So I was taking out a lot of anger that I had on some of the abuse that I received there. Did you you knew he was a Shriners when this was happening? When we opened the door, you saw the. Yeah, I seen the the fizz, you know what the fizz is, right? The hat and his little trophies and stuff. And it's just like. Everything came flashing back. I went completely white calm. It's it's like there was no. The whole thing. Was everything I did was methodical. And it scares me to think, you know, because when I get into a situation, I don't matter if it's I'm driving in a diesel, then it runs me over. It's like this white calm comes over me and I just. I go, you know, I'm saying and somehow I make it through it. And. I don't know, man. It just I want to channel that to a better way. And that's what I've been trying to do since I've been out. Yeah. How long you been on? Almost six years, six years. So when you when you look at what you guys done, I know clearly to remorseful for it. That old man, he didn't deserve that and I don't. I'm not to judge whether he did or didn't. But I wish to God, it had to be me. Yeah, I wish that I had done something like still a damn car and get my time that I got because. Honest to God, not going to what I'm going to tell you, I needed that time. Well, let me ask you this. When how did you guys get caught? We drove ran in the man's car for over a week. Wow. Went all the way up to Louisiana, hocking jewelry and stuff and just over the border, come back and drinkin. And I mean, you weren't going to get caught because that's the thing I can't understand when people do certain things. And I'm like, it's his car. So police is already tracking that. Why wouldn't you think that? Because I thought he was dead. My fall partner, I told him, hey, where's the keys? And my fall partner is sitting there with him. Well, he's still alive. I said, well, shit, cut his throat. Wow. And my fall partner had found a lock timer, old timers lock blade. And that thing was duller than his pen is on the side. Thank God, didn't register to me. If it had, I probably would have told him to get a butcher knife. So I go out the car, try to start the car. And I'm shaking so bad because my drun is pumping. I can't get the damn key in. And fall partner says, man, he's still alive. I said, shit, cut his throat some more. And I think about that. And it's just it's like, man, I had so much anger. That life didn't mean shit to me. You know, because all the things that had happened to me in my life. No need to be on somebody else. So yeah, well, let me ask you this. So don't mean to cut you off, but after you've done that. This guy, y'all drove around in his car. You end up getting caught. When you get caught, you go to court. Now, does he show up? That's exactly what I was thinking. So you know that he had. So he showed up to court. Mm hmm. I was you had to face him. Yeah. But you weren't remorseful at that time. No, no, how are you feeling at that time? I was more scared. I was just the only thing I was, it was about me. And it's all it ever was when I was younger after the stuff that happened to me at five. And it's it's about me, you know, fuck the world.