 going to shift over to questions and answers. I'm going to put and leave this information up on the screen as we go through questions and answers. This is again these are the best ways to get in touch with the project team and there's multiple ways of doing so so please feel free to reach out to us and we'll respond in a timely manner for folks. So thank you for being patient with us and listening to me talk to you and we would love to take some questions now. So Mike, as the host would you be able to stop sharing and spotlight the panelists so you can have their video shown as we answer questions by right clicking on the panelists name. Oh actually we can see everybody who has their video. See everybody now? Yep. Okay we do have some in-room questions. Okay let me just turn the lights off. That's abrupt. That's a huge downside of this. So you were first. Nope this is actually the microphone you can talk from the tiniest voice out in the hallway and they will still hear you. Okay. I'm going to bring you find a majestic on left road. I want to know what's going to happen to the building. So Laura I could I could barely make that out. You may have to repeat the questions. Yep the question is what is planned to happen to the majestic building? So the majestic property it will remain in place. We're going to be constructing reconstruction and access from their parking lot into the roundabout so they'll have direct access safe access into the intersection and then we'll be reconstructing their access along lead road and repaying their parking lot. Yep we have had another in-room question. Actually I have two ones on the plan and one's on the construction. I'm sorry I haven't been to any meetings before and thanks to everybody who participated in this. This is great. I live on Locust Street and left turns coming north on Shelburne Road. I've already seen one rear end happen and I almost got t-boned once by a guy going in the wrong lane coming north on Shelburne Road so that was pretty scary. But my main concern looking at this project now is that if you come out of Locust Street and you're trying to go south on Shelburne Road especially in you know in cases of heavy traffic on Locust Street which are you know when the school's coming in or leaving you know morning and afternoon and maybe once maybe once the southern connector is built there could be even more traffic. People are coming off the southern connector want to get back on Shelburne Road we'll have to see about that. But anyway what happens is people coming up Locust Street especially from the school want to get onto ledge road and it's not clear to me what the intent is on this plan because what happens now is that people coming up that street trying to get onto ledge road just stop there until there's a free space to turn left onto ledge road right. And I see here it seems to me from the drawing that you've got two spaces now to turn left onto ledge road which is an improvement but it's not clear to me whether you intend for these people to come into the rotary and just go round and round the rotary until there's spaces for them to turn left. Did you consider allowing traffic to turn right onto Shelburne Road? You know it's it's confusing to me what's happening there maybe you can explain it because I'm frequently caught behind you know three or four cars that are all trying to go up in ledge road and nothing happens because they can't turn left right and so traffic has stopped coming up Locust Street so maybe can you talk about that a little bit? Sure so when you're exiting the roundabout to go down Shelburne Street south there's the exit's going to be wide enough for two cars so the car if you were going to go down Shelburne Street you would stay to the right side and then there'll be a striped pavement marking left turn bay for the folks that are trying to turn left onto ledge road so there's okay so it isn't clear that's good it's not clear from this drawing because you've got a like a green space I couldn't tell if it was green way or or what is it but what you're saying now is that there's going to be actually two lanes coming east on Locust Street to join at the rotary is that what you're saying? Well then you can just turn right onto Shelburne Road and another one for entering the rotary and turning left so there's only one lane that enters the roundabout in all directions and including Locust Street so if you're on Locust Street you would take a right if you wanted to go left on the immediate left onto ledge road you would stay to the left after you turn made your right hand turn and and take the left turn that way the the the left turn bay is to allow folks that are trying to travel south to go around and not back into the roundabout but you you haven't answered my question really and that is let's say there's three cars trying to all trying to go up ledge road which is frequent here and there's a fourth car that just wants to get into the rotary or even simply just wants to turn right and go south on Shelburne Road are you are you intending that the cars to turn left on ledge road because there's no more spaces are just going to go around and round the rotary that that you want them to enter the rotary there and proceed with the rest of the traffic or are they stuck there and is everybody stuck behind them until they find space that's and and furthermore if there are no if if those two spaces are filled and there's other traffic coming north on Shelburne Road which is frequent in the morning right it's Shelburne Road is going to be like a constant procession of traffic and so those people aren't going to be able to get into the rotary because the people in ledge road are waiting and they can't turn left hopefully they're not going to be blocking the intersection right for those people turn so I'm bringing up all these points might be too late but I guess what I'm asking is could there be a right turn laying there or is that just contraindicated by the whole design yeah so we're we're beyond the point of design we're at the point of construction at this point and so we're not making any more changes to the design the we have modeled the traffic in that area and we take into consideration the traffic north down on Shelburne Road and traffic that turns left onto ledge road and found that while the space to turn left we would have liked it to have been longer but the existing streets are where they're at and so we had to make do with the spaces as much as we possibly can so for folks that are turning right into the roundabout from Locust Street we would ask that they exercise a little judgment and if their intent is to make a left onto ledge road and they see this the bay full we would ask they would probably not enter the roundabout or seek another route until that that that bay opens now part of part of the solution is that we have the don't block the box for northbound Shelburne Street traffic and I know a lot of people don't always abide by that sometimes they stop in the blocks and they're not supposed to that then becomes an enforcement issue but that box is to kind of help remind northbound travelers that if you see somebody turning left and in traffic in front of you has not yet entered the roundabout to leave a gap and try to let those left turners in so we're trying to encourage folks okay so I think just let me restate the answer my question is you don't want those people turning left onto the ledge road to enter the rotary if there's no available spaces there for them to wait you want them just to wait there at the stop sign until there are spaces for them to turn left onto ledge road is that correct yes and it's not it's not necessarily the best solution but it's a better solution than having them try to circulate in the roundabout and then blocking up the roundabout it's no worse than we have now so I admit that yeah okay so the second question does pertain to construction I live at the corner of caroline and locust and I'm assuming although maybe tell me I'm wrong that there's going to be some staging in all you know of equipment because there's a you know there's a big space to park right across from my house right at the park there and you guys are going to have a lot of equipment to stage so you mentioned earlier in the presentation that the construction was going to be from 7 a.m to 5 30 a p.m or even later depending so what I'm asking is can we at least make it very clear to the construction people that they shouldn't start backing trucks up and beeping at 6 30 a.m when all the construction people arrive that 7 a.m is really means 7 a.m and that's when the noise should start that's that's what I'm asking is that your is that your opinion and your understanding at 7 a.m is when construction noise starts except when you're working well night of course I'll have Matt Wheeler talk a little bit about this and what their intentions are I will say I will before he speaks I will say contractually speaking the contractor is legally allowed to work before 7 o'clock they can work as early as 6 a.m however we are aware we are aware that this is a residential neighborhood and the contractor has already stated that they're aware that folks don't want to be disturbed at 7 a.m or you know before 7 a.m if possible I don't think that any of us could say here that tonight that you know we're absolutely going wait until 7 o'clock and then start up I mean sometimes things have to start a little bit earlier but we are mindful of that and contractor you know Matt and SDR Lynn are aware and are sensitive to folks living in the area Matt do you want to add anything to that yeah we we want to be good neighbors to we we don't want to wake people up we don't want to be extra noisy before 7 so you know we'll we'll tell our crews you know if they're in the middle of the intersection or something that's one thing but as far as a staging area near residential properties you know if we're close to a house we're we're we're going to try to be as less noisy as possible and I don't think we're going to stage too much on Locust Street maybe just pipe and catch basins but we haven't worked worked through those details yet okay thanks just one more short suggestion if you do close off I you said you were going to you know there'd be times when traffic was going to be very restricted at the top of Locust Street obviously people are going to divert and they're going to go down to Pine Street you know to try to get where they're going so the suggestion is you might want to do something at that intersection of Locust and Pine to allow people to turn you know left now right now it's pretty difficult to turn left especially with traffic coming into the city in the morning there's no signal there uh so you know just a just an observation we have one more in-room question and then maybe we can go to the q&a sure I have several but I'll try to be brief my name is Dr. Craig Dwyer or the principal of Price the King school which is in the epicenter of the whole construction project and I know this is complex and uh everyone's inconvenience by construction so there's not going to be a solution that's probably can be noiseless or or seamless so the school operates with 200 students currently enrolled so to be proactive I already reached out to the parents and provided the videos that were online to the 200 parents and to be proactive I'm going to have stage staggered drop-offs so all 200 parents don't come at once during this construction have them in state of 50 coming at a time to drop off their children you mentioned in the presentation about utilities and the possible shutoff which is going to be a parent with all the work and whether it's electric or water I know you said 48 or 72 hour notice it's going to obviously impact the school building because school can't be in session without electric and water do we know if the electric and water to the school building comes from Shelburne Road or comes up from Pine and if so is that a standard to give me 48 hour notice because I have to inform 200 people of this and staff that the school has to be closed so it's it's going to impact this 504 non non-profit 504C non-profit because my concern is long term that parents if this is I don't know if there's going to be again temporary stop lights like at the end of Pine and Locust a stoplight place there potentially or or crossing guards or how the traffic is going to flow because it's not a public school so people choose to be there this is a huge inconvenience they can choose not to be there so it's a concern as a school that sort of operates as a business in a sense it's a unique circumstance to be in but in terms of shutting off utilities to a school is there a way that I can know more than 48 hours if it's an extended period of time or if it happens by accident how how will we be informed of that does someone going to call the school or they have a specific contact person at the school let's say something happens during the school day that the water has to be shut off it's an emergency how will be notified yeah those are good questions Dr. Goyer I um you know I think you know we'll do what we possibly can to give the school as much notice as as possible if we know if there are planned outages we want to give everybody as much notice as possible um and for you especially it does you know it does have a big impact in closing of school obviously you would want to know ahead of time um we'll work with with Matt and his team and and try to um and also be ed as well especially for the electricity um um to give you guys as much lead time as possible um as you mentioned you know things do happen during construction sometimes accidents happen or a water line gets broke or whatever and you have to uh deal with those situations as they arise but I would I would argue that but I would I would argue that those could happen even if there wasn't construction I mean it happens in the wintertime in the city of brilliant where a water line breaks so um you know we're we're hopeful that we don't run into any sort of accidents like that or unforeseen shutoffs but we'll we'll do everything we possibly can to to get you guys as much notice I don't know if Laura or Matt want to chime in a little bit on that um I do know where your water line is and we can talk about that offline um I don't think you're as affected as you think that you are concerned about so that's helpful but it does answer or could answer questions from other people who have a similar concern so I think that um hearing from Matt would be helpful and then I guess I have a follow-up but I know we have eminent domain has taken possession of our field at the top of our property where children play so I guess directing them to Callahan Park during recess would be best is it possible to have a temporary crosswalk from the driveway of the school across Locust so the students can cross to get to Callahan since they can't use the upper lot because that's going to be taken away for the Rotary and it will be a construction site for two years uh was uh was a I think a crosswalk was just constructed at uh Caroline right or yeah Caroline that's true yeah it's I um I know it's a block away and doesn't sound like a big issue but for three-year-olds that's that's a long walk so maybe I don't know who I can get in contact with to have something temporarily just it's it's probably a conversation we should have offline um Ireland has requested some use of the park across from Christ the King so having children walk in front of their staging area may not actually be as ideal as what it looks like today um but as Matt said that is also still up under review and for discussion so it it can be something that Josh and Kara who are here in the room are coordinating that with SD Ireland um I'm with DPW and it's odd as it sounds I have no control over what parks let some use but I do know those conversations are happening as it relates to the crosswalk um DPW would work with VTrans if that's ultimately a solution that can be permitted um and that's actually also not my call it belongs to the DPW commission do you have a commissioner behind you though if you wanted to uh chat offline so I just want to say that seeing the the rope together three-year-olds cross Caroline Street in the morning is like the high port of my day so you know you take that away from me um so I'm gonna mute us for a little bit unless you want one of us to answer but let Delia maybe go through some of the questions if that works sure and Mike I did get the questions from Laura she sent them over so I'm happy to filter them through you so you don't have to scroll through thank you um the first question is what is the cost of this project so the cost of the project um uh Estee Ireland has bid uh a convenient amount of money of seven million seven hundred and seventy seven thousand seven hundred and seventy seven dollars um I think they were hoping for some good luck on this project um uh that's that's what the bidded amount was that's a public figure the costs you know uh that's where we're we're shooting for so obviously things happen during construction and sometimes we need to uh overrun on a few things but uh generally we're looking at the high sevens low eight million dollars great and we touched upon this a bit but um will the project go dormant over the winter months and to add to that if so what is that what time period might that cover so we we we think generally speaking there won't be much winter work now that's not to say that there won't be um but um if there is it would be I think winter season is December 15th well technically it's October 15th through April 15th but uh you know December 15th it's like really when we shut you know shut everything down um but there could be some winter activities we're hoping we try to minimize those um are there any contingencies for adding a second lane if it is discovered to be bottled neck with the narrowing to one lane heading north on Shelburne Road which currently is very minimal so one of the during back in the scoping phase of this project the city had requested that um as part of the single lane roundabout alternative that design included uh extra space so if for some reason traffic got really crazy in 20 25 years that they could come in and easily add a second lane northbound um so we've built that space in in case that ever needed to get put back um we don't anticipate that happening single lane roundabouts can easily handle the traffic that we've measured out there and in fact over the last five six years traffic out there has been slowly declining um so we're keeping an eye on the traffic levels there plus also um the Champlain Parkway when that gets constructed will have some sort of impact to traffic on Shelburne Street what that is we don't know it's really hard to predict whether it's going to increase volumes or decrease but um the the traffic volumes are likely to change one way or another so all right thank you and what situations would be considered special situations that would allow work to happen on a Saturday that's a good question um I don't know if Josh or Matt I don't know if sometimes things come up during the week that we can't address like late on a Friday night or something I don't know um Matt do you have any yeah I can handle that one um special instances where say we don't get to finish a sewer main and we have to connect something in um at least within you know 24 48 hours will will work but typically the guys don't work past noon one o'clock on Saturdays um or emergency situations where say we had a under unknown water line that we unfortunately found and we have to work through the night or something to repair that um those are two instances that I can think of thank you Matt we have someone who's put in a question uh that represents a property owner trying to schedule a six inch water main upgrade um to 111 Shelvern Street and they're wondering who the best contact person is whether that's SD Ireland for scheduling yeah they can um they can call us the Ireland's main office and ask for myself Matt Wheeler or Brian Meir and uh we can we can discuss that thank you um another question will Shelburn Street still have four lanes for cars Shelburn Street south of Adams Court will still be four lanes north of that the southbound traffic will have two lanes to gove court and then the northbound will be will be merging to two lanes into one um from Adams Court to the entrance to the roundabout thank you someone noted that it looks like coming off ledge road the angle to get fully into the roundabout looks sharper than most making it more difficult to safely enter the traffic flow is that the case um no we we we've analyzed car tracking and turning movements so the curbs have been designed to accommodate vehicles making predictable movements great will there be blasting work through the hard rock that will be encountered and how will people in the area be notified if there will be utility shut off sorry kind of combined two and one there yes we talked we talked most about this uh in the the presentation um blasting is is certainly possible um obviously being in a residential neighborhood we're trying to minimize that um but uh it could very well be inevitable um and then uh if if you again if you're concerned uh feel free to to sign up for our updates um if you fall within that uh thousand foot radius uh please provide us your contact information so that you can we can reach out to you um but there'll be we have that's why we brought wsp on board to provide public outreach so that we can uh cover all the channels and and try to get as much information out to adjacent property owners and the traveling public as as soon as possible yes and anyone on this call who wants to join the email list please feel free to submit your email in a in a question we will add it to the distribution list um another question has consideration been given to integrating into this plan one or more permanent underground crosswalks to enhance traffic flow and pedestrian safety underground crosswalks um i i'm assuming that would be uh like a pedestrian tunnel of sorts uh consideration was not given in this case uh due to the presence of ledge and um just the buried utility infrastructure under there um it would just be too costly and too invasive um to construct such a structure at this particular location um how do you see accessing and exiting gove court being affected with the new restricted lane patterns so gove court will be open to the extents possible um during work on gove court for the installation of a water line and a sewer line there may be some closure or at least some one-way alternating traffic for folks we we are we know it's a dead-end street and um folks only have one way out so again we'll um try to make folks notified as as much as possible especially with your driveways as well so we're gonna have to temporarily uh block off a driveway while we're installing that utility infrastructure so please sign up for for updates and we'll be reaching out um for sure so this next question might be a little too specific but uh we'll see will there be a left hand turn into 96 Shelburne if a driver is headed south or is there a median that would block direct access I don't I don't know what 96 Shelburne street yes that is the first property south of the condos where the rotary gulf was okay um let me bring up a plan here and just see um right so uh there will be no restrictions to entering or exiting that driveway um the the raised island is actually north of that so um the the residents at that location will be able to enter and exit left and right just as they do today and in relation to the same property will you have that up will any of the permanent updates be removing and or moving on to that property um so the um the road is the the the street is actually going to be pulled away from the the the property at that location um because we're going to be down to one lane northbound in front of that house um and then also we will be constructing a shared use path that will be replacing the sidewalk in front of that property as well and the properties on either side of it as well so um traffic will actually be a further away from the house than it is today okay and then what does the road roadway and shared use path include uh pedestrians and bikes the shared use path is meant to accommodate both um uh pedestrians and um bicyclists who don't feel comfortable riding in the street or uh are uncomfortable taking uh biking through a roundabout there'll be a bike ramp that will allow those folks to bike off the road um and navigate the intersection um via that that facility and then there'll be bike ramps on the other side to let them enter back into the street if if that's the method that they choose believe they can also ride on the sidewalk uh in burlington I don't think that's against the ordinance um but for folks that are on uh the street this is an alternative for them could you please explain the configuration of the sidewalk at the south leg of the roundabout on the east side um I'm confused about the route of the sidewalks and what look like islands so I'm guessing this is probably in the vicinity of where ledge road comes in um so the shared use path will approach the ledge road intersection and there'll be um crosswalk and then there's an island and you can kind of see it in red if you're looking at the plan that we were showing earlier uh that's a refuge island so that folks can only have to cross one lane at a time um and it makes them more visible to drivers and then once they get to that refuge island they can cross a second single lane to get to the other side of the road okay I think we answered this question in the presentation but maybe just reiterate if anyone joined us late how much advanced warning on any blasting um that varies um you know obviously if we know we're going to be blasting in advance or you know we'll we'll try to make that as much as possible I don't maybe Matt can chime in in terms of specifics I don't know why he's providing for for advanced warning but um I know um at the actual blast there are um uh certain time intervals leading up to the blasts and there's got to be certain whistles and whatnot um at certain intervals I think it's either I get five minutes and 10 minutes or something um but in terms of the days you know I think that's where maybe Matt can chime in a little bit yeah so if we do have the blast which I expect we will have to a the blasts are protected by blast mats to prevent flying debris um they're going to be low frequency low vibration blasts because we're going to be blasting in a tight area near utilities so we can't blow up existing utilities as well and then when prior to blasting what we do we have spotters and they they fan out along the sidewalks and roadways and we block any pedestrians from getting into the area um well in advance and it's typically 15 minutes before the blast and then we also do rolling road blocks so that basically we kind of we don't stop traffic but we slow traffic down to give us that five minute window to blast so we we utilize typical procedures for everybody's safety and make sure that we don't have any any problems there and just to add to that we're actually going to have a separate blasting presentation before the first activities involving blasting and we're going to invite we'll invite the property owners nearby and the public as well but this is more it'll be more specific the public is more specific and focused on blasting and lead removal so there'll be a second um one of these type of presentations um sometime over the summer I would imagine um Mike just a housekeeping thing someone asked if we could display the proposed design on the screen again while we go through Q&A it might be helpful there we go thank you sure another question there are several small and two very large trees on the east side of Shelburne street will they remain or be removed uh east side um I wish there was a little more specificity to that question um there are some trees that will have to be removed um but we will be replacing trees um and we have our whole landscaping plan um that's been blasted by the city arborist and um you know so we have some uh some native trees and trees that the city um likes to use uh disease resistant trees so if there are any trees uh we generally will be replacing them to the best of our ability thank you um what would the longest time utilities be shut off we have someone who's concerned they have tenants and they're concerned they might have to compensate for the inconvenience over two years well it's really going to depend on the activity um we want to obviously try to keep the shutoffs as as short as possible um but it's really going to depend on the utility that is being disrupted and that could be any almost any length of time uh it could be a couple minutes it could be many hours um but um you know we'll obviously try to um you know and I would think that we would try to estimate that if we can it's not always possible um but folks like BED and and um you know the water department they you know they're they're in tune with usual you know rough they have rough ideas of how long a disruption needs to occur um but I don't think we can necessarily say for sure right here right now how long any particular disruption is going to be it's going to depend on the work involved and how smooth it goes or how rough it goes so um that's why we're we're trying to encourage folks to sign up and and so that we can try to get as much information to them as possible um and then in terms of utilities that may be impacted someone asks um which utilities would it just be electric water all utilities I I if I'm if I'm I'm standing here I I'm telling you that it will it will it will involve every utility um and you know again depending on the location of the utility is going to is going to determine um you know again the duration and the level of disruption so um expect uh everybody should expect that their all their utility should be disrupted at some point in time for some some length of duration okay we have a question about navigating the roundabout once you are in the roundabout do you have the right of way once you are in the roundabout you have the right of way you show you should not you do not stop once you're in the roundabout if there's an emergency vehicle that comes up behind you in the roundabout keep circling circling until you find your exit and then pull over to let the emergency vehicle through we have we have produced a couple videos for this project if you go to our project website you'll see a project specific video and we also have a how to navigate the roundabout video that's extremely helpful and it should answer almost all the questions that you have about navigating uh a single roundabout thank you um do you anticipate sidewalk and or street closures on ledge road or locus street if so signs a day or two before those streets closures would be helpful and notice is at least a day or two before on front porch forum in burlington thank you we expect sidewalk closures on all streets at some point in time if you sign up for weekly update construction updates those closures uh or the anticipated closures of sidewalks and streets would be in those weekly updates okay um what are the ribbon the pink ribbons on the trees and will those be removed as part of the project we received a couple questions about that i'm not sure if you know mic maybe laura knows i'm not sure what pink ribbons they are it's a good question laura do you know um the consensus in the room is we're not actually sure okay we got a couple questions so i don't believe they are related to this project could be wrong but i don't think they are it could have been our super sdr and supervisor marking some trees to get estimates for removal but okay again i'm not 100 percent sure if it was or not thank you i'm concerned about commuters opting to take alternate routes through surrounding residential neighborhoods some of these neighborhoods have no sidewalks um putting pedestrians and bicycles at risk from the increased traffic is there a plan to deal with this issue i'm gonna have i'm gonna have laura answer that thanks mic um mic touched on it a little bit in the presentation the traffic control plan for this project is essentially restrictive to the contractor that there is significant flow that is still required to be able to be handled um throughout the project's construction this was done with a lot of care and analysis um to ensure that the volumes of traffic that occur during the day whether it's commute hours or middle of the day are satisfied this has been reviewed by the city of burlington um and many many other people besides myself as it relates to neighborhoods the routes that are identified as detours are well ahead of the project um and not a lot of the smaller neighborhood entrances um do we anticipate will be burdened throughout the project um in addition at the start of this project the pine street corridor has no immediate construction occurring so as this project gets going as commuters are picking their new routes it is an open north south corridor thank you laura we have a couple questions related to driveway access people just asking if they're driveway um if they will be able to access their driveway throughout construction um during construction as well as utility work generally yes um if for some reason the work is occurring right in front of somebody's driveway uh matt and his team will will be sure to reach out um with as much notice as they possibly can um we also understand that some folks park on the streets uh where it's allowed so um we're you know we'll be we're mindful of that as well um but we want to try to keep access open um as much as we possibly can so any sort of closures of access would be as short as we possibly can manage related to street parking someone asked if the parking at the corner of shellburn and locus will be impacted um they have a five-family house that relies on street parking for tenants yes uh so on street parking on locus would be impacted um and um i believe you know we'll work with uh matt and his team and laura dpw um to um uh on the on the parking situation getting uh folks properly notified with as much notice as possible um it could be that we need to find alternate parking spots for folks uh in the interim um but if you know we want to try to keep parking as as open as much as we possibly can uh particularly at night um but in during the day when there's construction equipment or whatever and we don't want to be that close to park cars and we would probably um reach out to have them relocated um we have sorry if i can just just add you know the image that's displayed does still show that on street parking maybe not in that exact location as it's a little too close to the intersection but on street parking will be restored up to the limits that are allowed with the new intersection configuration yes um we do have a comment someone is suggesting temporary signals at the howard and pine street and the briar cliff parkway and pine intersections so i just wanted to share that um and i'm looking through i don't see many more questions here um if anyone i noticed someone did have their hand raised at one point perhaps the question was answered but if anyone is raising their hands i'm watching and we can unmute you if you're raising your hand virtually or laura if there's any questions in the room oh um i have amanda mic would you be able to unmute amanda who's raising her hand to ask a question yes by amanda hey i i spoke to you in one of the mpa meetings i i just want to get a sense of so right are we saying that i i'm at that house that's right in front of the roundabout at shellburn it's the five family and we we are concerned that right now we have parking restrictions on the other side of the street and for obvious reasons because there's a school there that needs traffic to be able to flow easily for drop off but we're we're also losing uh there are no parking spaces up here once we lose what we will lose to the roundabout so is there going to be any accommodation or i can't tell because i'm not looking at it before and after so are there going to be accommodations made on allowing parking throughout the day at least on part of the other side of the street on locust or is that not happening can take that one mic yeah okay um we have not reviewed any regulatory changes that would be made to the parking conditions around the roundabout at this point in time this is an intersection safety project and that's really been the primary focus um we do want to wait till we get a little bit further into construction to understand if there's any changes that are found for the unknowns in the street that result in changes to the overall design before we go to the point of asking the dpw commission to ratify the parking regulatory changes that would be with the intersection so it's still forthcoming your concern is solidly noted um about the change it is a conversation that we would have at the neighborhood level to make such a change to the regulatory parking regularly i think you guys are doing a great job and i said before i've seen a number of accidents out there so i know that this is necessary and important but at the same time i do wish i know that this is at the state level and so when you have a state traffic project with federal money that we're talking about a whole different ballgame for how things get set up but i do wish that there had been more local level conversations have been here for five years and i like i don't feel like we've ever been reached out to and and we are going to be considerably impacted it's going to be hard to get roommates now given this level of construction i wish that people had reached out to us for a little bit more input not necessarily to become a problem but to think about some of these issues i also i told you before i really wish that you would consider in advance of this project changing those those pathways to mark them to to differentiate between where bike bicyclists should be and where the little guys of christ the king might be walking that i don't want to wait till there's an accident for that to happen amanda did you provide your contact information so that as we do reach out later on to to work through the parking we have a way of getting in touch with you i emailed i don't know if that's suffices is there another place that i should be sending my contact info to uh to the info at shelburn street roundabout uh yeah i sent my my email over there i'll send another one just with better contact so thank you guys amanda we did receive your email address so we have that but any additional information is helpful thank you so much all right thank you and i have a question here that i overlooked before so i apologize how far up south willard willard street will utility work go and if we have specific addresses that's what to ask for if possible up south willard street yeah south willard street uh work on both the road and the underground utilities will end at chitin and drive um so i believe we're replacing uh two water lines in that location um i don't i think there's one house um possibly i know there's a driveway there um but generally speaking we're not impacting uh directly impacting um the services to the houses beyond chitin and drive doesn't mean it won't be shutoffs but um direct direct impacts we're not anticipating thank you and i have one more online question that will take um and then i don't know if laura has any just to wrap up because i know we're heading over time here um is there a planting plan available to view online can we assume that all the bright green areas of the plan represent curbed grass uh areas um so yeah what you see on the plan is um green and green is a grassed area we're replacing the grass strips between those streets curbed streets and the sidewalks um you can kind of see these um um symbols here for where we expect trees um this isn't everything um we have a detailed plan um trying to think if that's public or not um if it isn't i think we could probably post some we might be able to post something on our website i'll have to take a look at that and laura i see your hand is raised i don't know if there's any other questions to wrap up we do have um a few more in-room questions i think um solvay yep i wanted to just do two things make a comment some of the questions i'm on the public works commission and some of the comments and concerns are clearly related to not being familiar with the way roundabouts work and i'm hoping that you'll see that they actually will work better and there's two factors that are not obvious the first one is that roundabouts slow the traffic down to the point where there's there's an interaction between the pedestrian separate and in advance of having the car trying to get into the roundabout and also with other vehicles so there's a different dynamic relationally to make these roundabouts to make the intersection a different experience and that's not something you'll know until you have that experience the second thing i want to point out is that the placement of the crosswalks exactly makes it possible for the vehicles to deal with pedestrians and bicyclists before they're trying to negotiate their own entrance and with other vehicles two factors that are not always obvious to people and and the second that my question really related to is there is there um the traffic management plan was that does that extend to the the issues that have been addressed the questions about fine street traffic did that traffic management is anything being planned i know those were concerns and that was one of my questions has anything been was it part of the plan how to handle that that clearly anticipated extra loan however however you maybe bought it so um yes we we did look at uh traffic um as a as it relates to pine street in terms of whether or not the roundabout during construction can handle that extra traffic and it does the the site will have the capacity to handle an influx of traffic from from pine street um in the event that there was work or something happening down there long term as i spoke earlier you know it's a little hard to predict exactly what traffic is going to do once the parkway is built so we couldn't predict that so we uh so long term we we did not take into consideration uh any sort of traffic from our future shampoam parkway but during construction the site can handle it sorry not yep um mike i think the question is more about as the traffic is detoured for the construction activities um because of some one-way directionals that occur how was that detoured um or redirected traffic considered it was studied oh we had identified some detours potential detours and we think we might utilize the same detours during construction and we looked at alternate or adjacent intersections such as howard street and st paul the signal there um and a couple other key intersections in the surrounding area to make sure that um that uh there wouldn't be some disaster um at those locations and and again it's construction so we have to all expect that there's going to be some level disruption even outside of the the work zone itself so um which is why we're trying to get out now try to cover the whole city and even parts of south brolington we want to make sure that folks traveling up and down the corridor route seven corridor know that this has tentacles this will this you know impacts to traffic uh in all forms of transportation will be impacted any other follow-up i think that address my question other than i think there might be a need to have just somebody at the bottom of those those streets um for people to be able to get in and out so almost you almost need traffic to call people that will be you know help of people and those intersections because it will the traffic will all go up hind street we're down hind street and and that's what you sort of want to keep it away from construction so i think that'd be something that i would go close to the yeah well you have the uh the construction inspectors that you're talking to right now so they will i think that's something that yeah yeah thank you um you had an additional question i just was curious this with this diagram the tan colored plots in there are homes and some businesses is there any is there any significance to them are they the only are they people that you reached out to uh individually and then if so then why people on ledge road uh aren't aren't shown there and also uh price king is not also deep tan that where they cover land is it just a diagram that is not significant between the tan plots and the non tan homes there's there's no significance it's uh this is just a diagrammatic um um just to kind of give folks a sense of orientation and a visualization that they can focus on well yeah and it's signage it's the signage going to be really good so people can know because i have the problem is that people don't look at the rotary turnabout which way to go are you asking in its final condition or throughout the construction phases during construction signage is going to be absolutely crucial and we're going to have um you know a very uh detailed traffic control plan it's going to you know lay out where signs are what the type of signs are spacing of them and the fact that there's going to be um changing traffic patterns throughout construction is going to make the placement of the types of signs and the placement of those signs crucial so we have somebody constantly monitoring that it'll be part of the contractors plan that they'll be submitting for approval both the state and the city will have approval authority on that and um in terms of the future condition our roundabout signage uh warning signage is is typical it will meet all federal standards um it'll be generally in line with uh signage that you find at other roundabouts in vermont um they're being a city things are a lot tighter um so you might see um the trick is to sign appropriately without over-signing because we don't really want to overexpose folks and try to send folks too much information on approach to a roundabout so it's uh it's a balancing act that we have to perform during the design um and I feel pretty confident in the design that we have for signage for this project um just to add on to that one of the things that the city council actually did when they adopted this concept back in 2009 is tasked DPW with a proper rollout and a follow-up study for the roundabout and so we've actually already engaged the regional planning commission to help come up with a plan how to allow the roundabout to open with good outreach so that it will be as successful as possible so that is something that we are already working on it'll probably take us the two years so we're glad to have the time any other interim questions all right i'm gonna mute myself and we have no more questions uh virtually right now and no hands raised all right um thank you everybody uh we really appreciate the opportunity to reach out to you please check out our website uh sign up for updates and and outreach um it's it'll be crucial uh for you all for the next couple years and it'll be helpful for us as well so um we uh we look forward to uh implementing this uh successful safety project thank you