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that are in the real estate business because again um this is not the kind of conversation that we want to start seeing uh attacks or whatever let's come correct first of all they say that there's a master town planning plan for Lagos right and if you check that master town planning right it gives room for where you can build where you cannot build um to check you know of course you have to check whether those areas that maybe if you're buying from an estate or whatever all of those areas do not go through some of this master plan because there are master plans for roads for drainage and all of that and again you know that we complain a lot about i mean i have been the one complaining and complaining and complaining about this our lack of expressway first of all no drainages the roads are really bad one tiny tiny accident you're all stuck till god knows when so literally right um if we see government doing this behind the rights right so let us establish that the government is right to demolish those structures is a painful thing to watch i mean if they are shown the other video where the way you will see the houses the people were bringing out their properties like it was such a painful thing to watch i was just trying to put myself in that position that hey what will i do like literally you're devastated but you see somebody said something to me said if you even check on the master plan in Lagos there's something they call the coastal road that that coastal road it comes all the way from oniru to kalabak that's it the day the government wake up and say they want to wake up that coastal road they want to do the coastal road they want to do maybe all the whatever around that area a lot of properties will go even in this oniru and all those places because it's a it's a long line that goes all the way to kalabak so that when you are buying the property there are three entities involved right they are the homonilers right where those ones are just there they want to just say go there are the developers do you understand because there are there are many entities in this in this playing game there are the developers that you know did not do their duty because even as a developer you're supposed to go with a lawyer you understand to go and check that's why you pay those lawyers to go to the lake or say land and all of that to go and check there's also the way the the buyer if the if the developer has refused to do his own checks you as a buyer you're supposed to check it and of course the overall body now covering everything is the government right so yes the government had given these people three years right warning both my questions and when i ask these questions i'll just leave it out for the ladies to respond so it took three years for them to demolish this property what happened why because even before if if a property is going up you see those government people coming to market x so even if there was warning signs at the foundation level somebody still must have collected a bribe to look away for those buildings to go up so why did they allow those buildings to even come up in the first place that's the question on the part of the government and for the developers you understand why did they not do their duties and for the buyers you understand why did they not just check what are the things like the barriers that restricts people from actually accessing these informations so that's my question okay well i think on that you know i would i would just say that some most developers are actually very greedy people yeah because most they sell is really not of their business anymore most of the time they just don't care as long as they sold they probably made their money they're not if it was a rental property now they would have been a very different case but they're not developing the houses and then they're putting it out there for so most of them are just is better from a place of greed yeah because the truth is like he rightly said somebody must have been bribed in the government you know to look away because after when they start a project i'm sure maybe the government would have come there to see okay is it in the right place are you building the right thing and stuff like that and then eventually market x but you see that most times those buildings still go up it means that they have really paid someone so it is the part it is great on the developer side one and then it is also corruption inside of the government because they know that this thing is going to boom around in the end but because of what this stands to gain in the meantime nobody really bothers about okay are we doing the right thing i'm not doing and like he also said the people that are buying i don't think i want to carry my millions of naira right now to go and buy a house where the the the documents on that house is not a governor's consent and i don't know that you'll be giving a governor's consent if your property is not standing on the ideal place it is supposed to stand so is it it's i mean where i would be shocked is if maybe they go to forge those kinds of documents are we really amazed because i believe that once you have a governor having a governor's consent on the property is one of the best documents you can actually have because it shows that it is not a government property the government has allocated that land out outside of the government so it is it has probably gone to the community and then the community has also allocated it to a developer so that's why omonule will not come and be disturbing the developer that oh you're on our land xyz xyz it because that's already been allocated so if i'm not buying a house that has that document i don't see any reason why even if i have that document at this point due diligence is very important we need to check on how many square meters is that house built i mean the area where it is built are we really really sure that it is not a government owned property because most of the house is when they come up that's the reason why they get marked because they built they were built on government own government's own land and those kind of things won't work so i don't know the me i i i strongly believe that everybody has a road to play in all of this there's greed at play there's corruption at play and there's lack of doing due diligence at play that's what i think okay so for me i'm going to start from the end user that's the buyer it's your hard earned money and i would imagine that you take make it your responsibility to know that you're not just throwing your money away if you especially in Lagos if you have taking the time to put money together to buy a property i'm not sure that you want to wake up and then tomorrow somebody says get out of this place you understand so again developers or i mean whoever sells properties are only able to do what they do because they know that buyers do not care if two three four five six seven eight buyers truly care and do what needs to be done they would know that they need to do better there is that then of course developers we we have a cultural a mentality in Nigeria there's nothing money cannot solve as long as you have the money there's always someone to talk to so even when they know for a fact that it is wrong they say is money will you find somebody don't worry now she spoke and then we spoke about for Jane while i may not be a hundred percent certain you hear the stories i mean i have been in the trust business where one of the things that we talk to people about is ensure that you perfect your documents that's very key but again Nigerians are rather laid back about documentation yeah we don't think it is necessary we don't let professionals do their job so instead of you to engage a lawyer you say let me look for one small 10k just money so people will keep getting burns yeah and this is a big ball it is there is the professional part of it there are lawyers who are in i mean who are into property you know property law i mean these are things that i would expect that at the convention at the nba convention there should be serious conversations around this there is the institute of surveyors architecture i mean all these have professional bodies what are they doing so if they cannot come together to set the building standards construction standards how real estate is supposed to operate in this country we just touch a very sensitive because if you say i want to come to marry of course you see we were just talking about standardized you know real estate has become one of the most is very we bought it we bought a land many years ago from i won't mention the name of the company till today we don't even know where the lands are and this thing they did not only even just sell to individual they went to like a bank and they did like bulk so imagine an entire staff of an entire bank across all branches bought into that property we don't know where that property is today so that's an aside right real estate is so proud that they are know it is only very few people now and again you see because it is based on personal as a matter of personal principles and standards because nobody really checks these people right nobody checks them they wake up in the morning you will see gota you will see big big creators in front of your house they'll tell you this house is 10 billion oh god what are the parameters that may ensure that slice of house is slice of house now it's going for how many millions i don't get before before a before price is placed on a property it is not just the property in itself it is the environment is everything so what's that you else yes when i see some of the costing that they put on buildings i say please on what parameters are you are you put in this cost but you see guess what they take is the most booming industry everybody is doing this everybody is doing that they're just carving out estate and building it yes the real estate industry has really helped to get a lot of people out of rented apartment get a lot of people into more structured living kind of style because some estates are really structured you can take your walks you can do all of those things you can have like a decent environment but in that same breath the real estate industry has been contactless they've been known for doing things you know without any level of what's it called respect respect for the for for the laws of the land yeah because why would you a developer you know let me come to you Mary what are you looking at me so i'm just thinking of you know people who have made maybe quite a large sum of money and you know there's you have you know these real estate agents like we say or you know however they portray in themselves you know come to you you want to help the person at ten times an investment for you you know sometimes you might not maybe that's not the first property you have you know your first one that you're living in is probably you know well thoughtful and everything so this one you're saying well let me help this person and then you know you put your money there and it's this is what you're getting so my my question is or my point is why why aren't they being regulated why is it that you know you just have these people just sending out their agents out there to say you know sell sell sell sell we need to make money but then you're selling what's not authentic like i mean why would you have a whole company that is built on lies hmm people just want to say i mean money they just want to make money but that's but that's wicked because when we now say the government the government we're doing our own sales that's because there is no budget we're actually so why is it that why doesn't the government have any so so regulating body do you understand so let me i'll come back to you on that right i'll come back to you uh because one of my friends that i called in in this evening she said there is a body so when we come back from the break i will try to find that body and mention it and there's a regulatory body now that all these other bodies fall on them yeah yeah truly they were not there but i think the government has been trying to clean up that space because again it's too much money going in there all right thanks for staying with us now if you just chained in is our lady's night out and today we're having a conversation a very honest conversation with ourselves right around the checks and balances for illegal structures and we're asking who is responsible please let's hear what you have to say remember you can join the conversation send us an SMS or what's at the rate one eight zero three eight four six six three you can also call our phone line the number to call is zero seven zero two five zero zero seven seven four nine that's the number to call remember please turn off the volume of whatever devices you're watching us from so we can hear ourselves so we don't get a feedback so i think that the body that i'd mentioned before went on a break let me see if i can pull it out it's the they call it the the agency of the legal state government in charge of coordinating monitoring and regulating activities of practitioners in real estate so it's legal state real estate regulatory authority right so they have been working together and this this body has a couple of things it has all the all the key players in the real estate value chain under the body so they are the ones like the governing body watching it now see i get it the part of legal things that you talked about but you see a lawyer too cannot even do their work if you i remember when when we're going to start ways and i went to one particular lawyer or more they charge me billion i say try on top of contract when i can just get one charge and pay to just do the contract for me but it to some people it felt like i was wasting money do you understand that why would you spend so much money to drop a contract when you can get somebody that will just give you just give the person 20k and the person that just give you a contract so when it comes and it's the same thing that goes across all body it's not even just with legal even with our health like we literally don't understand how to value people's intellectual property the lawyer that would you would hand over a property to say you know what i want to go and buy this property help me look that everything is fine that lawyer knows that tomorrow if anything happens they can they can take his license oh so the lawyer would go all the work that you are paying for it is the work of traveling too because even in a lousa now they will need to go and bring that map that location that geography they will do everything they will give him a thorough or her a thorough detail you understand that they cannot come back to you and tell you okay madam i think this property is good for for purchase or not but we don't want to pay those extra income to say go and do this extra thing isn't of foolishness that you spend 10 billion to buy a property that you did not check most people just believe that the people that you are buying from the developers or the really they don't know they don't they already have already have already have already have a legal department no that's the funny thing fine the real estate company also has a legal department who helps them to check their own for you as a buyer you're bringing in so much money i think you should have a personal lawyer take it just like an artist like a musician same because your record the bell has it you are your manager if push comes to show i mean how do you have this property now i will have a lawyer i will have a lawyer yes because i get my money is coming from me because ideally if we weren't in it nobody let me know if we were in a no even in a saner country we're talking about money first of all there is business and there is money no but let me explain to you so so so properties are broad all you need to do because guess what all the listing is is monitored by the government right all the listings that are the properties that are all safe if you go online if they tell you say this property six to be one thing one thing is for sale you just need to type the address but that's it that's what i'm saying it brings out all the details when this is where she's coming from we don't have to be putting ourselves in messy situations like this you see the reality again this is one of the things that we do we try to explain but i know if i'm dealing with you first of all you are loyal to your business your legal department is there to look after your and to make sure that whatever we are to make sure that the client believes whatever we say my own lawyer knows that he or she is going to be paid to look after my own best interest do you know what i'm even saying okay like that um property now that i say you both should you should you have gone to take no yeah no marry for real because i'm just i'm saying because like take for a stand no let's really let the reason even now and young person wants to buy land just all these people they come they give you a payment for her yes clearly i have paid to come up that too it's like that's it won't probably choose even purchase the plate you see now she has sugar marry he's just we're not talking about we're not talking about uh standardization no he's just quite unfortunate that this is where we have found ourselves i mean so if this is where we found ourselves i think we should act accordingly when you are in room you be able to come on just so that because the truth is that lawyers that work for real estate companies they have just real estate interests that are not entirely your own interest yes they want you to be it's not cheap i get what you mean yet they want you to believe that what they are saying which is better so the truth is that even if what even if they abuse that house on a gutter or on a government's own property the real estate lawyer will still come and tell you oh they have all the documentation why because is a lawyer so they expect that you would believe a lawyer if it even applies telling you that they have on this decision of course they guarantee that the lawyers now will not like to do not like to you because you are simply not even that on documents they are signature they are bad they are there what's it called lawyer number but you need the one but real estate you want for the real estate can lie i don't understand wait let me support me wait let me support me did you see that let me drop one bombshell that that lawyer that lawyer that water many cases don't that i know they fake all 25 cases i want to take running i mean yes i mean so that that's a practical example yes let's let there goes advocate of what now it's a reality yes but it is always good to err on the side of course okay so let me let's bring this question back to the government and this situation now they found themselves because i mean that watching that thing was quite devastated it is do you think that the government should compensate why wait me i learned now but that the d you will not you would agree with me that for those structures to have gone up people that taking right then they should look at the we wait i'm not waiting wait wait let take a color hold on let's take a color wait మాడిвалర్వి. మాకాక, rulesORTER compliqué crocodile ముకేవాఆ. contemporri- ముకాకే ద్న్సించోా కeticallyగోవమి. మరడిబమి. స౉మగోఢర్. So many enswear was brought by the police in Mancley that an elderly woman, maybe in her 70s, Mojesh asked her only direction. He was urinating and after she asked him for the road or for the direction, he just fell something in his body and he felt that his pain was decided. So as he thought on duty that I told him, I said the pain is still there, he said but the people thought he signed it. I said there is nothing wrong with you. And I told him that if you do not allow this, if you do not trust and have a problem like that, maybe I will take the woman in the police house that slept in the police house over night. And by the time I told him, he released his woman and come back tomorrow morning. He should have a little somebody for the money. I told him but no more. I can't make it like that. Thank you all, don't know. The next woman here, we will tell whoever. Okay, snap me out of here. Let's see really if that is true. I don't want pictures because they can't photoshop it. So back to the question I was asking. Yes. Is it possible that we, because again it's not enough. Now the victims here of course would be the end users. But there has to be consequences. For that structure, if they say according to what they said that since 2020 they have given them notice at foundation level. Somebody, you know how government people did. You know what they pretend. Somebody would have been going there every day to be collecting a camp balance every month. Monthly salary. So who are those people that were supposed to be assigned to the region? Because they are monitoring agencies. All those who come to Mac Big X with red paint. Who are those people? Let them fish them out. And those people need to also be physical. But I think we have another caller. Thank you your life. Good evening. Yes, good evening. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you Gabriel. Thank you Gabriel. I think we get the drift of what we say. But these agencies exist. So do you allow me to answer this question? Because you know what I am saying is that if the people that were supposed to stop me did not stop me both of us need to share this problem. Exactly. Yes, so I don't want to totally... not only build or furnish everything. I agree. And I am saying that I mean you came from the point of are they going to be compensated? And for me it is categorically no. And I will tell you why. So if the government is serious about making Lagos a mega city Heads must roll. And there are consequences. So first of all you that you bought property in that estate if they came to demolish unfortunately the estate owners should be sanctioned. Number one they should go to jail. Number one they should because they have to look at their documentation. Trace who gave you approval for this who gave you this whose signature is here and your legal status you are going to jail. So see if the government begins to take that action they will be sanctioned. So let me add something. I am not sure that it is right to say that they won't take that action. I mean if we say that they won't take action we are always quick to say that you know the interesting thing it's not that government does not know what is right. It's not. So I want to add something to that question. We know that somebody would have gone and written an approver for the government. Right? But it takes forever. Sometimes they don't even get the approver. They will just go and build. But hold that thought. I think we have a caller. Good evening. Good evening. Mama. Good evening. Is that how it is happening in Abia State too? What is happening in Abia State now? Once the agency over in the capitals of the government authority notices a new thing that has defect what they do is to just do the discovery and bring it down. Thank you. A lot of things are involved. What I understand in this court is that to come into our market we have to do it. Okay. Thank you, Loma. Thank you. Absolutely. From the foundation. Thank you, Loma. Yes. This is even talking about safety. This one is not about it is going to demolish themself. But what about some I strongly believe that some people in the government also are developers. What I am trying to say is that they are not the face of the project. Some people do it as joint venture they probably have been land and they will get investors who want to No, but even those who want to they will not go to those kind of land that have been marked for demolition. They will never try it. Because they have access to get the real land. Do you understand what I am saying? It is the people that looked away. I was telling Jella about the bureau case here. I don't even know what to call it. The bottleneck when getting approvals. Because sometimes it will take because the government Oh my God! So what should we do? We apply for an approval I think we all need to meet each other. But if we are going the right way by trying to get the approval it is only best that you actually give us the approval. I know. It doesn't make sense right now. Jella, I had 20 million. Wait, you said it was in Russia. I had 20 million to be able to build at least maybe two properties. Maybe in 2020. Can that same 20 million build? It cannot even build a complete world. The question I will ask you is does the N justify the means? It's not about the N justifying the means now. See, there is always, it is government. There is bureaucracy in government all over the world. There is. So we cannot say that because government is not doing this I will take the shortcuts. Who gets to the end of this thing? You will find yourself to blame. Can you fight the government? Can they fight the government? Can they? They can't. Let's take comment. This is not for me. It is our challenge. Unfortunately, your money don't have one chance. It is painful. It is very painful. I don't mind crying. I was like, oh my god. It is painful. How can you be a householder? But we cannot be sentimental about this thing. And then the next minute, you are homeless. Homeless. Good evening ladies. On the unfortunate demolition of houses, I will lay the blame squarely on legal state governments. On legal state governments. All these years for not enforcing the so-called master plan. Who gives building approvals to developers? Do you know even the pack view estate in Eko'i is illegally built and reserved area for water to drain into the ocean? Absolutely. I heard that. Until same government demolition illegal structures start bringing same government people to book to stop the road, it is an unending cycle. Absolutely. The entire real estate sector corruption like all other sectors in Nigeria. Again, on the price of real estate in Nigeria, generally it is distorted and foiled by dirty money from illicit sources for money laundry generally. We all know the real estate market prices in Nigeria totally disconnected is totally disconnected from the economy realities and fundamentals of the Nigerian economy. This is knee or more knee. It is actually very crazy. I learned that the real estate style on the island is even different from the one on the mainland. Because I think agency and legal on the mainland for rent is like 20% or something. That's outrageous. And they say it's a great way. That's right. That's right. Because now there is a whole lot of issues on the island. So there is too much money coming to the mainland. So let me go now. Let's bring this home, right? So I get the part of the bureaucracies and all of that is everywhere. But you see for me, a real solution would be because now let me bring in a conspiracy theory. A conspiracy theory that certain people did not vote for certain people. From my course on, I have never. From my course on, I have never. I don't know what you know about certain people. And it seems like it's a setting. It's all right. But guess what? And that's what actually love what me said. Because if you go and check Park View estates, there is actually supposed to be like literally people built on park. So if you want to destroy one, do on to one as you do on to other. Because truly, if they really want to restructure They didn't get lawyer. They did not get lawyer. If you truly want to restructure legal states, a lot of properties have to go down. There is one on this, our freedom way. We need a certain minister. The freedom way when they were building one particular estate that they are building right on the canal. We need an air roof fire. A certain minister. Not too much work. Just an air roof fire. Let it come to legal. Because right now, all of us would cry together. Are you ready? If we drink the rich together. Are you ready? No. There will be sanity. But there will be sanity. But truly, right? And I don't want us to whip up the same sentiments with it. I mean, there are things that the government have done that were not particularly pleased with me. But you see, in this particular case, I think we should be a lot more responsible as a house buyer, prospective house buyer. Do your checks. Do your checks. It is important. And get a lawyer. Yeah, please. Get a lawyer. Pay for perfection. Get a lawyer. So yeah, you don't get into a problem. If you want to build, you need a surveyor. Yeah. Make sure you get all of this. You can't forget Baba Bill Kiss. That is a builder. That's what you see on the screen. Honestly. Baba Bill Kiss. Please tell me come tonight. Baba Bill Kiss. No. Baba Bill Kiss. No. Baba Bill Kiss will do his work. Oh God. Under the guidance of a professional. No. May we also close the show for us? Yes. May we close. Before we go. Yes, follow. Continue. Do make sure you follow us on Instagram. And waste your Africa. You can interact with us further. Absolutely. Drop a comment. Like share. Invite your audience and friends to watch us follow the conversation. We don't do. But we have to do part 2. Yes. Part 2 on Tuesday. We'll get a lawyer. We'll get a lawyer. Yeah. We want to talk about all these places that they are shorty for noise pollution. That's not a conspiracy. That's not a conspiracy. And not a conspiracy. Like what exactly is making them short please sit down. Absolutely. What are they doing? What are the parameters? Yes. Because some of these places have been there. For a long time and all of these places have been shorting them down. We're just trying to get things right. Before we go. Yes, of course. Thank you ladies. The government will not wait for people to take the laws into their hands. And still benefit from it. This was from the commissioner himself. Honorable Tokunga Wahab. We'll see you guys tomorrow at 8pm. I mean this was a great conversation. Thank you. See you tomorrow. Bye. Thank you. See you tomorrow. Bye.