 Hello, a couple of days ago some person posted this post on the KD subreddit which was very interesting. It was titled What is KD's Weekside? And that's some very interesting question because I think there's always a lot to learn even from like the week sites. I'm also interested in what do you think is our week site and let me know but I was also very interested in seeing the comments from this ready post and that's why I'm looking at all 61, I mean not all of them, but the most important ones after a couple of days so everybody had the time to like post their opinions. So the first one which is the biggest I guess let's sort by top just to be sure that the most upvoted one is on the top which is this one. Themeing community is too small there are hundreds of themes but there is a lot of application and not many variety which is a very fair point and there is some working on to try to improve this situation and in theory in Plasma 6 eventually we will have in theory a completely new theme system and hopefully that one will help regrow the themeing community a bit. Also I tried with my videos like how to do a Plasma theme to help out a bit but of course I can only do so much but I'm really putting a lot of hope into what's to come. Of course all of the themes that are currently supported will I think continue to be supported but they won't look like they were probably the new ones will look better so my hope is really to see lots of people working on bringing completely new themes into KDE Plasma so I do have high hopes for Plasma 6 to fix this so hopefully most of the themes look the same and there are roughly speaking either one of rounded corners in Coherent Dark, rounded corners Mecha's clone, rounded corners okay this is actually pretty funny I like it and there are also themes that are not rounded corners like the Windows ones I guess with Windows 11 it's that but I mean tons of bugs and a lack of Coherent UI and UX useful settings okay the about tons of bugs I totally agree and I think that it's a side effect of having so many options if you have like tons and tons of custom-is-able things everywhere and I'm not talking about the theme the theme is not the issue the issue here are like the very options in like right click customize and there's so much so many like moving parts it's so hard to fix all the bugs and of course people that are coming into KDE prefer to implement new stuff rather than just working on fixing bugs and I totally understand that I also as the very first things try to bring something new to KDE but that means that people are bringing in new features and new bugs necessarily and there is the people working on fixing the bugs are usually the more experienced developers so it's a bit of an issue that's for sure the Coherent UI well we try to address that with the consistency goal I hope that it improved the situation improved I do think that there were like good leap forwards there's surely more work that can be done but I do think that there the situation is improving the bugs hopefully but there's no clear plan to fix that useful settings sorry which are barred deep within 10 context menus which take 10 to 15 minutes to find well finally enough there is this new feature which you maybe don't know about but now you do which is Ctrl Alt I it works for almost all KDE applications and it opens up this pop-up and you can just search for everything like a new folder sorry folders create new folder and it also shows you like what shortcut that is so if you're worried about having to find like the settings in context menus it's only here and you can search through it so this helps and it's pretty new so we are working on that about settings specifically well I do already I already said I think that we do have too many settings but I would personally take off some but very controversial but very hard to decide which ones what settings I can type some keywords into search boxes and it appears in just over seconds which is true we already we have tons of like possible search boxes we have one in system settings for like all settings but also krunner helps there and as I just showed you within the application you have this Ctrl Alt I think it which helps long comment tons of bugs compared to which other desktops blah blah blah blah blah also there is buggy sure but some is more than something else especially pencil software this is true what matters is whether or not some of those bugs are showstoppers which is fair but I gotta say that if there are lots of small bugs the end product won't feel polished and if it doesn't feel polished you won't feel good using it and that's usually an issue so it's not just about showstoppers so for kiddie plasmas no show stopping bugs kind of depends on your use case I have seen bugs that were pretty big but hopefully not to most people blah blah blah blah plasma is the only remaining linux desktop that tries to make application written using multiple sorry toolkits look consistent that's fair I don't know if it's the only one but we surely try to blah blah blah I don't understand the plasma settings debate plasma settings aren't as clean as the light desktops however you can do way more with plasma settings which is true as one setting manager instead of three this is false we do like okay we do have one setting manager but there are lots of settings that user expect to be in settings that are not there as an example changing the wallpaper it's not in system settings and people expect to be there but it's not but also like the system tray customization or I don't know kickoff customization we do have like lots of configuration windows and it's not very easy for newcomers to understand what is where so I don't think that we just have one place for our settings is true I think it's false blah blah blah blah plasma settings as a search function that actually works thank you you can actually improve that and I've done a video on that which is what was what's called sorry something like your first batch to Katie I think like many people I like Katie and I don't spend time complaining about it it's not complaining it's hopefully giving cost constructive criticism it's not perfect and that is surely true but I just don't see that many bugs or glitches contrary to what so many people people like to complain about constantly okay it's good that this person doesn't see bugs also you know that app that you don't like well just don't use it it's Katie not Mac you can change what you want which is true I mean a lot of criticism here I've seen about like kmail and I think that's what triggered this comment this part of the comment but you know if Katie app is bad it's rightful for the users to point that out I laugh every time they come out with a list of things they fix then there's always the comment like did they fix insert tiny obscure problem only one person on hurt experiences okay that's very nice I gotta say I fully agree with this comment it happens every time and it's so exhausting like you come out so exciting we did stuff and people are like yeah nice but did you do that and no we didn't sorry you're killing the the fun sorry we learned multi monitor true I don't know anything about wheel and normal to monitor so let me skip that bugs bugs bugs all software aspects okay again there's there's software there's like the amount of bugs is what matters and also the nature of the box so Katie I think from using Katie and also using like other os's and desktops uh does have more bugs compared to other stuff there's nothing particularly special but Katie I just think this is wrong there is Katie is special even if in bugs so the special thing about Katie is that we allow so many moving parts you can customize so much stuff that it's very natural that it has more bugs than other desktops and in order to be more stable I think that we do have to understand that some of the those options would have to die of course that doesn't mean that that doesn't apply it for like all bugs some bugs can be just fixed some others well if you do take some of some options it will be easier to control them I do think that Katie is a bit a bit bugger than other desktops Katie be Katie is about providing flexibility and features for the user user I gotta need a source on that and with okay it sounds uh more annoying that I want to but the fact is that Katie is providing more flexibility and features for the users compared to other desktops but it's not like written anywhere explicitly that we do have to have options otherwise we the Katie want to make any sense sure it's simple but for powerful when needed but that doesn't mean that everything should be customizable or anything like that and if because I often hear people saying like when we take off an option because we realize it's not worth it people say this is not the Katie way there's not such thing as the Katie way the Katie way is to make the best software we can and that's it so yeah I'm only appointing a weak side of Katie bugs is almost a common sense yes I don't see why you would attack this person is right there are bugs in Katie I fully agree with that of course our software as bugs but I never occurred sorry a correction no more XFC fair I haven't either that depends on your hardware okay yes I guess but this is neat picking Katie wallet okay Katie wallet let's talk about Katie wallet I don't know much about Katie wallet but as the first person here points out I guess I set it up and never see it again some distros don't seem to configure Katie wallet correctly it's all about configuring it correctly and then you never even see it if you do see it it's probably because of your distribution so it's not really our fault however it kind of is we could I guess handle it better but it's not fully our fault I think yeah hundreds of bugs in general okay so bug is like a very big one yes I know all software as bugs and good thing that you predicted the criticism and Katie devs right could in their spare time which is true and no matter currently I have 679 bugs open okay thank you a lot for that because a lot of people complain about bugs but never actually step up and submit them and that's an issue because it's not easy to know that things are broken if broken if nobody tells you and again with so many moving parts it's not like developers can test out each possible configuration so sometimes we just didn't even test a particular thing and the user's user sees the bug and they don't tell us which is an issue so thank you so much for that none of them is annoying enough to prevent me using Katie software there was a time where I had some bugs that really make me made me want to switch to another desktop luckily they went away with time but they are bugs anyway so it's not good experience to use at the desktop sorry with so many bugs it's right I agree the same thing with all linux not enough good troubleshooting guys wizards and the lack of that one software you need windows for okay so not to I mean the lack of the software is not like it's not very much related to KDA maybe it is depends on the software like if say I don't have a good I don't know ebook reader that is able to take notes on EPUB 3 EPUB 3 it's okay it's not really Katie's fault we could make one but it's not like we can provide everything so but I guess this person is not like criticizing Katie with this sentence but not enough good troubleshooting guides and wizards I don't know if I agree with I don't know if I agree with that I don't know could be I never thought about guys and wizards could be it could be something first all of the options and polis possibilities available create and test this is that's what I was saying that have bugs not easy blah blah blah it all works if you use it the standard way but if you move panels that remove plasmoids you start releasing glitches plasma crashes other oddities through again report the bugs and we can try our best I'm doing like every work of the panel so if you customize those hopefully the situation will improve blah blah blah if okay this is important if fragility fragility I don't know is the price to pay for all this flexibility it would be better to have less customizable but more robust desktop I actually agree I actually agree I think there is too much I'll make one direct example that is going to annoy another developer Nate if you're watching sorry about this in behavior of the task manager there is where is it where is it okay let me find this okay this option here clicking active task minimizes the task you can customize whether clicking on the active task does minimize the task or does nothing like in here I can click on this and it does nothing and if I do this I can it does minimize so I can customize that now that's so specific like when I first saw the merge request I was like what but I do understand the logic behind it which is that I is if I understood this correctly there is this behavior on Macintosh or something but it's so specific but I mean it's not that it's not a lot of code it's just one option so I understand it but if you take this and multiply hundreds of times it could be an issue but as I never spoke against this particular option it's just one example of an option that seems just so specific that I wouldn't personally like include it in kitty plasma but I'm not the kitty's god so second questionable UI defaults okay this is interesting changing the defaults is so easy to implement and so hard to convince other people to do that so sometimes put elements in the UI like they don't know what to place okay please make an example they should ask themselves what can you remove from the title bar toolbar menus oh we're doing that another example the context menu here we are removing stuff open with dolphin on right clicking the desktop is weird I think that got taken off add widgets and other panel will be removed to only be shown when in edit mode which totally makes sense activities which are still use activities if not it should disappear because if you don't use them there's not much sense in actually having this option here and so on it's not like we're solving it but we're working on it at least um what can I blah blah blah yeah a dolphin with your 432 more action yes I'm talking okay so I've heard this courtesy so much that I don't actually agree with it I think this is an affair but it's our fault the that's something I agree so let's what the hell happened sorry let's take dolphin so we are referring to this let me zoom in this for 30 more actions this so what's the idea here now dolphin has a lot of actions most of the actions are in the menu bar this one now some of these actions in the menu bar are highlighted because they're important to be in a toolbar some other options slightly less important are highlighted to be hello to be in this bar however we cannot put so many options here and we cannot put so many options here because people would rightfully start to complain so if we don't include the menu bar by default which we don't we gotta put somewhere those actions and in my mind the best way to access those options is this one which I've shown you before in your mind rightfully you go search for them here and you see this weird for 30 more actions now what this does it actually just exposes let me drink it actually just exposes the menu bar as is this is just the menu bar so since you don't have the menu bar in dolphin we show you it in the context menu which is a weird design choice but personally I'd never thought it was bad for experienced users because it's pretty easy to say okay well it's this thing is usually in the menu bar so whoops I didn't want to close it this thing is usually like under view in the menu bar so it should be like in the security menu bar let's call it a secret menu bar under view here I think a lot of the a lot of reasons people complain about this is that we use the number I think that if this was for more actions people would complain less they will still complain rightfully but honestly you come up with a better design I don't know you propose something I wouldn't honestly know how to make this significantly better go ahead instead it seemed the reason the opposite way let's see what can I add here it's actually true it's more like okay we have we didn't make but we have from legacy code thousands of options and we if we remove even just one people we will start complaining which means that we have to maintain the options we have most cases and we need to organize them and it's so hard to organize thousands of options everywhere and it's not about what can I add here it's about where the hell is this going to go and again if you have a better like suggestion go ahead keep in mind that okay this is not very useful let's not show this action is not well seen because if there's another way to do this well it's okay but if there's none then you would say it yeah sure it's not useful but you bet hundreds of people are relying on that features and feature and you don't know about that and they're going to complain that happened third it's community driven nature makes difficult to take decision oh that's so true if developers remove a feature sooner or later a user pop off the cave morning why the hell did you remove this feature I can that's what I was saying I can live without you screaming my workflow and very often it's uh reintroduced as option okay I'm trying personally I'm trying to work against this because I see this happening and every time it happens I think okay does this option actually make sense and if it doesn't and I try to be as sceptic as possible I just say okay I don't think this is worth it and people are not happy about that believe me I think that soon I will start removing feature options because they're very niche and I'll become the most hated person in KD potentially with more bugs through fourth this is personal but I found it lacks taste standard colors and icons are too blue to gray too cold okay we try to it seems something is moving on the VDG front okay we try to like and work on that if you do have better color suggestions it's very easy to change colors I've made a video make your own color scheme and please come to us and say I think that this particular shade of gray is better than this particular shade of gray we are not going to complain about that we're not going to go no don't change the colors if it's a good color then we'll keep it maybe it we don't share the taste so yeah um moving the panel to the top of the screen because it's back that shouldn't be there like the top panel covering the top of application dashboard we just randomly move around the screen when the screen is rotated okay I also agree agree with complaint number two blah blah blah however I totally disagree with your third complaint developers should listen to users and make decision based on what users need okay to be clear nobody is saying that we should ignore users of course but we should stop thinking that the user is always right they are not very much so if a user come to you and user user comes to you and say like I think that this option is a good idea you need to say okay is it though and if that makes the user angry that happens we need to accept that we don't need yet another linux desktop that arbitrarily removes feature says who that user rely on or is at a hostile towards users or come on this is food as far as your fourth complaint there is no third party themes for any linux desktop that's completely polished sure but it's how much it's polished it's not like oh but the others the other applications have bugs as well that's not an answer there are no third party themes extensions for android making dosh ios or chrome is partly partly true agas or windows that are completely polished or tested to work with ever application okay i'm not sold on this one all the options okay that's a big one and never sorry i don't know how to pronounce that with katie's philosophy sadly again philosophy that is not really written everywhere i think is unspoken and i think we can change that they want to make as many people as happy as possible and that means that the developers can't account for combinations meaning that they can only know through complaints and bug reports which is true please make both possibly bug reports that's better and also we can improve the situation nonetheless we can make theming and options less heavy on the reliability of the software that's not a easy task to do though i can leave the cost of such cost okay the tradeoff is a tricky one to accomplish sure don't tell us yeah it is it is rest of your comments that you can somewhat agree blah blah blah hi dpi again i know nothing about this no plan for how to organize menus for apps using the burger menu in the toolbar or this again what do you mean with no plan for how to organize exposing the entire menu and 32 more action isn't a usable way of presenting those actions on demand at all it's bad and more apps are being encouraged to use this thing by default okay propose something please i have no idea like with the command bar which is the control alt i think i showed you with the fact that those more 32 actions are actually pretty nicely organized into sections i don't know what else note that this is different from hamburger menu blah blah blah blah blah blah blah i appreciate the idea of hamburger menu or that at least it's usually criticized i think it can be useful if done well kid is a implementation of it is not done well how can it be improved please provide um suggestions um bug glitches inconsistencies unintuitive poorly designed you are i mean oh lots of stuff documentation that is very often outdated or incompressible this is so true and the greatest scene of all config files scattered all over config and including useless or private info about window sizes or names of what sorry what useless or private info about window sizes or names of the recently opened files useless i don't understand what's the point here are you saying that we shouldn't store this file or are you saying that this file shouldn't be stored scattered in config because we do need to store those files you can opt out i think but if you right click kid you see recent files and that's a useful feature and we can just like get rid of it it makes sense you can for god reason forget recent files but it's not like we can ignore that as far as the config files are scattered and i don't know but how that works though i leave it to other people integration with firefox so but it's so good um you end up somewhere between jtk file dialogues i do i actually have the kd one uh is a plugin that's somewhere installed lack of video acceleration i know nothing about this um yeah i don't think that i can provide any useful feedback about this one kd could do with rounded bottom window corners okay let's talk about this one okay rounded bottom window corners would be like would make everything in almost everyone in the vdg happy like the vdg the visual design group is so much asking for this i did like a poll which is very unofficial but i think that the consensus was pretty good however however it's not up to us it's up to the kwin developers and uh what they're against it for many potentially good i don't want to uh say otherwise um reasons uh the last of which is that it would impact performance and you can easily see that if the visual design group says can we around bottom corners and the kwin people go uh well there is a good reason why this would impact performance you can't just go uh just do it anyway you can't so for now no maybe in the future maybe for third party themes i don't know i would like to say this kmail wasn't that great okay i think this refers to the original comment default settings are pretty bad please tell me which ones so many people say this but which ones which ones do you have in my particular please please tell me because it's so easy to say uh the defaults are bad yeah but which how can i improve it if i there are so many defaults okay the best thing about kd okay the worst the worst the weak side is uh figuring out all that can be customized and how to do it yeah um and the sort of person who will spend hours and days customizing the setup i can totally relate improvements blah blah blah i think this is an interesting comment but this video is half an hour long already so hundred of bucks we've talked about that kmail is bad uh let's switch over kmail i can't disable krunner from popping up and desktop when i type something weird x11 i don't know anything blah blah blah this is the very last comment something there's anything personally i think the default layout leaves something desired okay interesting but what it doesn't really showcase how great it can look okay but what do you mean with that can you show us an example of a great uh default layout please because to change the default layout is something that was discussed but it's not like we found a better option not super important as a blah blah blah first person okay and generally impressed with kd thank you i'm now taking compliments for the whole kitty and like i've represented it i don't i don't at all but i am happy to see that people are impressed with something that i care about it's not like i change the vast majority of the code at all i do change those small changes but i kind of understand a small subset of kitty but when people are impressed with kd i feel happy uh little things that bother me it seems like none of this is something that i can provide feedback on calligra uh yeah not very developed google accounts integration is bad yes that's a pity funny i think none is very last thank you but cutie okay is cutie an issue could be but not really i if cutie like if cutie as a project was like super open source and uh inside inside the kd umbrella would i think obviously be happier but there are some pretty good um you know pretty good uh upsides to actually cutie being a company that also does commercial stuff as weird as it seems and the fact that there is a contract between the kitty avi and cutie makes everything more stable that it seems and right now the situation seems to be good and some of cutie stuff okay there's a lot of things to love in cutie like QML as an example i love it i don't think that there is something in other desktop toolkits which is as good as QML is as much as i like to bash it but um that was all so this is now your turn to tell me what do you hate or uh i mean what's the weak point of cutie what do you hate of cutie and can you try to frame this as a positive constructive comment and not like an insult all of the comments here were rather positive and constructive some forgot to specify some good uh actionable feedback which happens i did agree with some of it i hope i didn't like i wasn't too annoying like too brainwashed by cutie and that was about it i hope this was interesting and i'm kind of slowing going to like christmas vacations so less videos but see you soon nonetheless where is the stop button