 tell you then because I can guarantee you before he barked he told you 20 other ways most likely because there are horses that are exceedingly smart but what if it was the saddle fit of the bit or the hooves or the riding or the energy or the turnout of the mate what was the cause one there's never no reason there's always a reason we have to identify it but two we're also looking at if if we didn't catch that whisper they have to raise that bar they cannot tell us about pain any other clear away then by going higher and higher on that bar and it could be seconds one two three seconds or it could be weeks by the time they raise the bar and this comes still back to the energy healing to go and say you know what we could find different chakras that are blocked I've got a great term I think I sent it to you great acrobat that we created and that again 20 odd years of work coming together there but if you look at it the closed chakras so let's focus in on one here the sacral chakra so it's chakra number two I have to think backwards because I start the chakra clearings on the head going back out of respect and safety although chakra number one's the roots it wouldn't be safe to start there you don't want to put your hands on a bus you really start on the head so chakra number two is the orange one the sacred one and it relates to personal power as well as relationships and pull if you think of resources you'll see a divot just there just by the back of resources that will come down a tad of a divot we could say that's confirmation which it's not the thoroughbred it's the relationship and bless them they never had that deep relationship with anybody they never had the one person their commodity and that piece back there actually divides their grounding from the spiritual aspect there's a there's a break there so putting hands on there can help them reconnect and align but he also gives back to say I feel for you just here what comes with that you'd start looking for behavior issues I shut down not wanting to be caught side stepping off the mountain block anything that says hey I'm not connected and so with it not only are high percentage of animals or horses in pain but we're looking at emotional mental physical blockages which could manifest in disease and pain that we could help them move through we're not in a position to move all of our issues through they're not in a position to move what they're through without the support either chiropractic massage energy healing all of it comes back to that and you know there might be a lot of people out there thinking well boy I'm no energy healer you know I I don't know anything about about reiki or chakras or and any of this so how do you encourage people obviously your program the 101 ways is is really helpful because it's going to help open doors but what are what are some ways that people can start exploring this a bit further there's so many ways and the first is not to deny it to realize that you don't have to be attuned or seek a modality you have it inside and the way you connect I did the hands on the heart and the truth is that what you're doing is you're going into a place of love that's what you're doing and the place of love wherever you find it I've had clients that are Christians Christianity fundamental Christians not normally a lot of fundamentals because of belief patterns but at the same time it doesn't matter of the religion generally speaking but if somebody's not religious they struggle at first to go they don't connect with spirit they're being creator then you've got to figure out where you do connect with love so for everybody you're looking at do you connect with spirit you connect with your God your creator does it come from within does it come from your ancestors so when you put your hands on your heart it's about connecting to love and then you put your hands on your heart you put your hands on your horse and with that it's the energy that's flowing in the energy of love one of unconditional love you can of course have mantras if returning the individual back to perfection or seeing the light connect within the body sending the love inside these are all ways to help and that alone is enough you know I can't remember exactly all the segments that I sent through for you guys but there's a great one and hopefully we did it which was the heart to heart connection and I coined it two ways one was heart to heart because it's our heart to their heart behind the shoulder but it's also a heart this heart chakra to this heart behind the withers and in between the two point your shoulders and that heart to heart connection is an incredible way to begin energy healing it changes but behavior moods outlooks physical everything you could have that miracle with that one heart to heart and you put your hands there now here's a big key to it we put the hand at the bottom of the withers that ones that are given and quite easy because you come in on the left side the near side this hand first would go on the break your chakra and the break your chakra is the scapula and it's a key chakra and it's a really cool chakra because it's non-invasive so you have one hand here one hand here and you run energy and the reason you run energy so that they begin to feel your energy they get comfy with it heart opens you lull them into safety the eye shot you see the Reiki registers then this hand asks permission to go to the front and it asks us by the time you do heart to heart you're opening the heart and if that individual's guarded they might say hold on you know I'm not quite ready I can't quite let go or I don't know you we need to get to know each other more or no don't need that opening so they could be enough so the way you move the hand at the speed so it's so what it is and it's not just move or fast it's moving at a speed where that horse could shoot me look to say please don't or don't do that they might say please I might say don't and so then you stop and go okay I won't do that I'll wait a little longer see if you're in a better place to ask you again and I found if you ask two three times that's enough because then they get really obnoxious or they get pissed off that they've said no three times they might bite but you're not trying to force it you're trying to say run the energy if it feels good to you I'll move my hand and the reason it's a great place to go there because it's the heart and the heart gets guarded and over time depending on what's happened to them they'll have a greater heart wall and a great to guarded us to them and we're saying you know what let's see if we can break down that wall so that you can allow love to come back in and with that they no longer live in a place of fear but they come to a place of love and that changes demeanors and outlooks and perspectives and it's really neat some of the horses that have been glazed where they look like that a little suddenly you'll see a spark or a horse that's been really lame might have a burst of energy horses pinning their ears at humans might even stop and instead they're smiling so you have all these these instant gratifications and these instant results through that energy healing I've had a mule when I first moved to Colorado couldn't be caught did one love lessons changed her she could be caught from that day on this so there's there's really cool things that you don't even have to do horsemanship you see on this horsemanship channel somebody might say well the mule doesn't want to be caught let's move his feet or you know let's use food as reward new love lessons maybe they're crying out to connect and they've never had that one human and that would change everything you don't need to do horsemanship because you're sharing space and sharing energy instead that's so neat it's really bringing it back to where the horse is actually coming from and human world and going to the horse and seeing them for what they really are as energetic meeting and that's actually what we are too but we look like we kind of talked about in the beginning we lose it which is really sad but it allows us to then we heal the horse and find that energy but then the horse helps heal us and we find our own energy tell us a little bit about the the chakras and how when we're riding I thought this was so intriguing but all of our chakras are lined up over their heart chakra tell us a little bit about that and how that influences you know it comes back to I think to what you said and I think you actually said it best because you mentioned the congruency and the authenticity and you said how can a horse understand or take us for who we are when we are misaligned and confusing and that's exactly it you're sat right there where in effect the first chakra the grounding chakra would also be one of letting go and releasing what no longer serves you and we're sat on that one chakra to go let me release everything right and so here it is they're getting every single energetic motion coming to them with them and you're connecting you're riding as the friction you're connecting and they're feeling the truth and so therefore there's a degree of mindfulness that we have to have they're gonna feel tension so when somebody says I'm not tense so why are you gripping with your knees then you know what piece didn't you realize about yourself or are you holding really tight we say you're trying to be in control no I'm basically not all why is your elbow locked then and your hands are white knuckled yet you're in good job and so they are feeling all of that on horseback and they're not giving enough credit for it either for the fact that nobody taught me I've been riding since I was 10 and been doing the professional piece for over probably 30 years now and nobody taught me the power of the mind nobody did that now there are some incredible people out there that are writing books on it now too and but it will be either written in a scientific way but not necessarily in a esoteric way either and there's also a balance there to be had to realize your energy your intention will come through upon approach your energy fields are coming together the horses energy field is maybe 10 15 times larger than ours so it could be the same size as a soccer pitch you know and so as we walk into that they felt your true intention and they know what you're about they know who you are they know what you're thinking so it doesn't even take you to get on their horses back to them to know what you're going through in that day and we are used to hiding behind the mask and not everybody's intuitive enough or even cares nowadays that they're looking into another person's eyes to go are you okay just high you know maybe you ignore their eyes or their smile but everybody can wear the emotion behind those eyes and it's a matter of whether or not we wish to look deeper but the horse is already looking deeper so they they are already there we don't have to sit on the back and I find it so fascinating on every level we're going into horsemanship a little bit here the horse has to ignore it all then they get in trouble so when you're really thinking I wish you wouldn't can term shit scared so the bleep scared and then when he does and I saw this on our FTT RFD TV at one point where the rider was so imbalanced and concerned but the instructor was saying kicking keep him don't let him get away with it what the hell you're imbalanced and your mind is saying I'm not ready to do this the horse is feeling the imbalance in your mind but getting in trouble for listening to what you're saying that's challenge for me and it's harder you know the more you're awakened the more you see things and you see through their eyes doesn't necessarily get easier that they're having to ignore your eyes are saying what you're saying with your thoughts what you're saying through your movements so you can really break it down to what are the eyes saying what are your movements saying what's your intentions saying your energy saying what are your thoughts saying so if you want there's five places that these horses are picking up authenticity congruency alignment communication they're told to ignore and if they don't they get pulled in the mouth kick you know harshly beaten to the point because they're reading the human and their masters at it and I guess all of this comes back to the fact that yes we can look at energy healing which was the whole point of what I submitted but it actually goes way beyond that into the energetic connection yeah that's it's it's it's really too bad and it's so commonplace and it is so sad because they are such amazingly intuitive soulful energetic beings and and to to snuff that flame out and you do you see it and checked out horse after checked out horse after checked out horse and they all express it differently you know some of them express it outwardly many go within and it's the ones that it go within that are often deemed you know wonderful bomb proof this that and the other and so then people start to think that these are the actual things that we're going for and striving for and all it is is this horse that spirit has just been knocked down to the point that they're just complacent to absolutely everything and it's sad because how much could that horse offer if we allowed the horse to be what God intended it to be yeah and each horse is you know has a different intention for their their life but unfortunately we yeah we just throw our crap on top and and you said we're defining the good horse as being a compliant being as a whole but then we do that to ourselves so it's that thing is we're picking it up in every direction and we look at non-conforming to be bad if you don't fit into that category and so therefore this reawakens and not everybody wants a reawakened horse they want the motorbike and they want that I just want the trail okay all right but what does your horse want well I never knew what motivated him well to put don't you want to know what motivates him is he lazy is he in pain I mean everybody will or people will say he's lazy but there's no such thing as a lazy horse he lacked motivation or he's in pain so let's find what motivates him if you're trying to put him in the arena and he's not responding how many kids don't want to be in the classroom are they lazy no we just wouldn't motivate them so it's about redefining how we see the horses and yeah redefining it through the glasses that we have on for me it's about giving back to say they've been so resilient over the years they're so patient and they're waiting for that moment for us to truly talk with them not act them but with them talk with them cause both ways it's a two-way conversation that's excellent I think I don't know I think it's I think it's something that as as you go through and I think a lot of people find this you go through this path with horses and it it starts to evolve to a place where it gets more and more and more to that space of being very energetic and very spiritual and connected and and it's I think people are in all different stages of this journey and and you see that I'm sure as you as you travel around but as as it starts evolving it starts to become harder to find people that are teaching what you're teaching because there's not a lot of you out there and especially the fact that you're able to incorporate both the horsemanship and bring that in as well as what some people might say woo-woo stuff you know we are able to take that whole picture and have an understanding of the whole picture so that you can help people on this on this journey as they're going from the horsemanship level and then realizing boy there's more and then another door opens and there's more and all of a sudden it's like wow there's this whole world but you never could have imagined was even out there how how do people find out more about your clinics and your online programs that you have and that sort of thing where would they where they be able to find you and say through you but it's out to horses and that in the website depending on when they click on to this is either gonna be our cake or brand you but we've been hoping to create a website we remain so busy and so therefore I call it a little okay but that's one way so I do have a ton of YouTube videos out there and it ranges from the energy and animal communication of all kinds through to the horsemanship so I find that YouTube is a great resource and for me personally I have been teaching for two decades and we have clinics all over the world from Europe to United States etc and in this year alone I was fortunate to go to Costa Rica and Mexico and a number of other places so it's expansive and it's always been my mission to take the methods around the world to take them to third world countries not everybody can afford to come to us and so the travel is a big part of it and I encourage people to either look online like he said I'm fortunate we created an animal communication mentorship program so we have different tiers for that Paula one's a home study and so people can look at purchasing 200 ish between 150 200 hours worth of information home study but they can also look at webinar with home study or the third tier is coming to the ranch and having 12 days over one year period as well as the home study so animal communication is available for people to learn more the Reiki I tend to teach that two three times a year my love to I call it bookend my year and that means I start the year with Reiki I end the year with Reiki and it really takes you off the carousel and reminds you why we're truly here and it helps people align to what their life's purpose is and so I do teach the Reiki I've never dropped that despite how busy I've been it's a great pleasure to be able to pass that art along we have a two-day energy healing for horses with that as well so people can look at it to say they want to go to the Bidiru to Wyoming they want to go to Costa Rica or to wherever I am currently in Colorado people can choose it therefore it's very eclectic to go to us for a certification in natural horsemanship all the way through to a train or instructor level I'm certainly not a quick-fix person and that would mean you cannot learn my horsemanship you can have fun with 101 things and we've got about five years worth of information that's going to get launched in different categories from problem-solving and so on but also I'm a firm believer that if you're looking for a certification like a trainer's degree level you've got to come to the place directly and my courses are unique there too I didn't want to reinvent the wheel they didn't create courses that you can find everywhere and so thus I have full gentling and Mustang gentling and problem-solving and slightly different cold-starting so all of these together allow people to find their passion improve on the horse's lifestyle bring everything together to say I I want to be the next generation of horsemen and that's what I feel we are with reach out to horses that's great and what a gift of horses to leave that legacy behind of knowledgeable people that that have learned the ways and yeah that's fantastic you should come sometime I know you should look and see which one speaks to you you're gonna have a opportunity to delve into different things now yeah no that's neat I would definitely be be interested in that sort of thing and furthering furthering you know I don't I don't know I've never done any energy healing work per se but I definitely feel it in my life everywhere and so you haven't because I I feel like even if you feel it in your life there's some things that you might harness or confirmation that you might benefit from and guidance that could put you in in the direction that I think you should be on because there's there's nothing stopping you if it's part of who you are and I think it would be grand to explore it a little bit more well thank you for that yeah that with that and see and sometimes you need little pushes like that don't you to get you going so I will I will definitely explore some of that with you Anna and I really appreciate you being here today and I would like to also thank everybody for joining in with us and make sure you go visit reach out to horses and and check out what Anna has to offer maybe her new site is going to be up and running maybe not but either way I'm sure you've got a lot of information all for you so on your new one way of submitting more information and we've been filming and this is this is actually one of the reasons I mentioned the 101 things because we're submitting to you pieces from the 101 things so people that have been listening to me saying it that would be my next submission for your next program would be to figure out if we want to continue on the energy healing vein and pull some pieces from that or if we're looking at animal communication pull some pieces from that your first step on the ladder when people are joining your piece to then say actually I like this and come on board with the 101 things to do it would be a segue right great so yes so so for those of you attending the fair make sure you check out her presentations and and if you have purchased the last fair you can see the presentations that have the the reiki and the energy work and have some information on the chakras and and all of that so so yes so check it out yes and we do I got on and on we have the chakra banner we have pendulums we have 14 handmade designed in the United States animal totem pendulums and so there's the reiki DVD there's the chakra banner there's the totems there's animal communication DVDs there's really a whole eclectic piece that people could start that career or start to really look at their passion in greater detail which is really neat to your one-stop location order that's all right that's awesome it's my pleasure to talk to you today thank you for inviting me on the interview and I wish you all the best with your vision because it's a beautiful vision and you've got some wonderful people that are joining you on the webinars too so be lovely to see the finished piece yes well you're welcome and thank you all right bye everybody