 Hey everybody, how are we doing today? Glad to have you all here for this episode of tomorrow for August 13th. My name is Jared. I'm gonna be your host today, one of three hosts that we actually have with us here today, because we've also got our correspondent across the pond, Ryan hanging out with us. And we're gonna be chatting a little bit right out of the gates with you, Ryan, because we got some real, a lot of SpaceX news to cover this weekend. And we also got Jenna, sort of our disembodied voice that every once in a while actually appears in a physical form that you can see. So sort of like a, I guess like a ghost who's also the master of your understanding. I don't know, something like that. None of this is true. But we're very glad to have you all watching with us here today. I'm in Cardi C in our chat room. Everybody's saying hello and we're glad to see you all this morning, afternoon, evening, or tomorrow, wherever you may be. So Ryan, let's just go ahead and kick it off because like I said, we have quite a bit of SpaceX to cover this week. So also a few things I wanna ask about SpaceX this week. So what, I mean, we had a little bit of a light up happen just after our show last week, right? Yeah, so literally, I'd say within an hour of our show last week, wrapping up, we had the first proper static fire of booster nine. This is the next booster that's intended to fly the, or the booster that's intended to fly the next integrated flight test of Starship following on from booster seven and ship 24. This particular booster is currently slated to fly with ship 25. However, the static fire test didn't go 100% to plan. But it's, depending on how you wanna classify the test, it can also be seen as a success because it only lit 29 of the 33 engines on the bottom of the booster and they only fired for some, I think it's like 2.74 of five intended seconds. And this is a wonderful shot here that SpaceX shared on Twitter, looking down the launch tower. It's a very powerful static fire, but still, it ignited, as I told Jared in the pre-show, it ignited most of its engines for most of the targeted duration. So whether you wanna classify that as a success or not, that's up to you. But in my opinion, this is a very good step forward. But also I won't be surprised if we see another static fire once it has its hot-stage steam ring installed, which we are thinking it might do that because since the static fire, it's gone back to the production site, it's sitting in one of the high bays. And so yeah, that's all the rundown on booster nine at the moment, but there wasn't any explosions, nothing when catastrophically wrong, it looked contained. So I think we can call this a success for an initial warm-up test of booster nine. Mm-hmm, yeah, and I haven't seen anything about the status of the pad, specifically outside of photos that people have taken, which I mean, you really can't gather a lot from photos. So there's really no, I feel like at least for folks like us who are not involved with SpaceX, we have no ability to judge as to how the new pad deluge system that they were testing actually did. And so I mean, just eyeballing it, it does look like it did something. There's definitely a lot more steam involved in the views that we were seeing, as opposed to say, what would I call it? Bake rise concrete. Aggregate. Yeah, that's the aggregate. It's a very nice way. The only thing that's dispersed into water this time, not into concrete. Yeah, that's a very nice way of terming your concrete shrapnel aggregate. What's that there? But it does appear that the deluge system did work, and I like Michael there saying that the deluge system is just an overpowered bidet. I don't know if I would agree with the assessment of the food there in that comment, Michael, because I mean, I eat that and I do perfectly fine. It's usually the Taco Bell where the problem happens, but it doesn't stop anybody. But looking at this, 29 engines out of 33, 2.74 seconds out of the intended five, seems that that wasn't entirely what was needed, but also at the same time, this is a test. And testing is all about making sure that you understand your systems. And if you're not having things corrected with your systems, then this is the right place to catch it. And it seems like that's exactly what SpaceX is doing. So these tests are doing exactly what they need to be doing. Yeah, it's, I just lost my train of thought. Right, so booster nine, a fair point to add is that it has been kind of sitting around for a while. You know, they didn't build this yesterday. It's been out in the open for a fair few months. So that might also have something to do with the fact that it's not 100% ready for flight yet because it's rocket hardware that's been set outside for months. No one else leaves their rockets set outside for months. Like SpaceX, let alone next to the beach. So, you know, there's some unique procedures that have to take place out when getting Starship ready. Yeah, and I think that's absolutely fascinating in that this ability to build rockets is now being done in what most of us who work in the industry would consider some absolutely terrible conditions. Because usually you don't want to be building this stuff out in the elements like they do. But lo and behold, they do. And that's the way it happens. I like Josh here with the comments. SpaceX is your good old rusty pal bucket boy that will surely get you there where you need to go. So, yeah, I guess, I don't know if I would call Starship or Falcon 9 or other stuff or the rusty pal bucket boy. I would think it's a little bit more like a nice sleek sports car kind of getting you where you need to go. But also, you know, you're hanging out right next to the ocean consistently. That's how it goes. Mr. Huggy as well saying, well, you know, when you use stainless steel who needs air conditioning hangers for your rockets? So, I suppose I'm sure there's at least some level of, like, you know, you gotta kind of keep your materials the way you want them to be no matter where you're at. But, you know, I guess stainless steel a little bit more resilient than most things. And then, you know, trade offs with that as well. So, which we could almost do a whole episode on material sciences and space flight. And I don't know, maybe that might make a very interesting sort of like space news feature a little bit later down. Well, I will have to see about that if anybody wants to nerd out that hard. That's sort of reaching data levels of nerddom at that point. No offense, Dada. It's a good level to be at. I am offended. All right, well, fine. Good, I'm glad you are. So, with Booster 9, you kind of mentioned maybe having to do another test with Booster 9. Is there a particular reason for that, Ryan? Well, there are a couple of things. I'll start off with the fact that this test didn't go 100% as they wanted it to. It didn't fire 33 engines. And it didn't fire, this is for later, Dada. It didn't fire 33 engines and it didn't fire them for five seconds. So, basically, go on. Oh, so, basically, I don't want to call an incomplete data set. But the whole point is that what are 33 engines going to look like on the pad for the amount of time that it will take to turn them all on and then ramp them all up to flight. And not just, like, how do the engines react to it, but also how does the structure react to it? How do the other systems on board react to it and how does the ground support equipment be unveiled out as well? So, it's like, we're not just testing the Raptors here. We're testing the whole package all at once. Yeah, yeah. So, they may want more data with that. Another point is the Booster is yet to have its hot staging ring installed. This is an extra ring that's going to go on top of the Booster between the Booster and the ship. So, the new hot staging procedure with the ship can happen without, with an exhaust for the fumes to go out of, to prevent any things going wrong. There, this hot staging ring has been in what's affectionately known as the CAN crusher at SpaceX's Massey's test site, which is just a little way down the road from Starbase. This is effectively like a cap at the bottom, a cap on the top with loads of ropes connecting them together. And in layman's terms, they tug on those ropes and really apply as much pressure as possible, as much like compression force as possible on the test article, whatever they're testing, in this case, the hot staging ring, to make sure it can withstand at and above flight pressures. And therefore, they know when they launch it, it's not just going to collapse and ruin everyone's day. So, those are the two main factors, in my opinion, why they would want to, they need to perform another static fire test with booster nine to make sure all of these things go well. If of course, got the new daily system as well, they will want as much data from that as possible. They've just had a new tank installed for that as well over the last week. So there are multiple reasons why I think they would want to redo that static fire. Yeah, it really feels like they're on the right path for this finally, which is great. To me, this feels completely different from the launch of booster four and ship 20. That just felt like a hashtag send it kind of moment. This feels a lot more methodical, a lot more instrumented, a lot more data driven and at least in my opinion, it feels a lot more SpaceX in how they would usually drive things in their testing regime. So that's why last week I was making that prediction that I think it's going to make it all the way to the entry interface because I feel like this time around, they're actually doing their due diligence, they're actually doing their homework. They're not just saying, oh, well, you know, the funny day's coming up, so let's just launch on that day. You know, the kind of match with it. It just seems like this time they are actually doing what you need to do to make sure it's going to work correctly. Last time around as well, there's also an argument to be made that SpaceX just wanted to get rid of the booster and the ship because they were outdated hardware. They already had new ships. They already had booster nine. They already had new boosters. So the point of flying booster seven and ship 24 was also kind of a, we have them on the pad. They're taking up space. They're taking up resources. Let's just launch them and see what happens in order to get them out of the way because they were a bit of a nuisance. They were outdated hardware that SpaceX couldn't use in the future. So they either, they had it on the pad already. So I assume it was easier to launch it, get the data and all of that because let's say they didn't launch it. They scrapped those vehicles. The pad would have been left how it is. You know, Elon said in the Twitter space that the new daily system was coming but would they have installed it as fast as they did if they didn't have the launch data to prove that they needed it? If they didn't have the concrete crater underneath the launch mount, would they know what level they would need it? You know, there's all these things you can throw around but in my opinion, doing that launch and finding out what they did was really important in order to make sure that, you know, catastrophic events like that don't happen in the future because they learned some really important things like I just mentioned. Concrete craters and tornadoes under the launch mount but also the strength slash weakness or weakness of the flight termination system and then the strength of the vehicle. If they didn't learn that, they wouldn't have been able to apply a stronger FTS system to the later boosters and ships. So, you know, they still got plenty of useful data from that first flight, even if they just kind of sent it on its way without carrying about it that much. Yeah, so great perspective on that, Ryan. That's a good way to look at it, something I hadn't considered beforehand which is the idea of rocket being a nuisance to your team there. That's such a good way to phrase it. And yeah, great perspective on thinking about that there. It actually does change my view of that a little bit on that there. There is one thing I will say about SpaceX is across the industry, they seem to be the best and most responsive to little tiny bits of data and they gather data for everything and they put all their testing and their wares out on the fence for the whole neighborhood to see. And when something goes wrong, they are very, very responsive to pivot and change their design and get that corrected so that they can improve on the future and they do that a lot. Yeah, and like you said, effective at doing that as well and rapidly responsive at doing that as well. So, which is good. You want that kind of flexibility and it's also not something you typically see in the engineering realm, let alone the complex realm that is aerospace. So, that's really a huge advantage. Maybe that is the advantage, the secret sauce of SpaceX. Not necessarily the reusability itself, but how would I describe it? Plasticity of its ability in the engineering department to do what needs to be done to make those goals happen. So, very cool. Thank you, Dada. Dada is good. Dada is wise, as always, as we like to say here tomorrow. So, booster nine, we've got a ship getting ready to go on it and launch at some point. That happens. What are we doing after that? So, after that, they're still like no confirmation at all. The only way we figured out if it's gonna be booster nine and ship 25 was a video that was the end of a video. SpaceX released several weeks after the first flight of Starship, the first integrated flight of Starship. We officially know nothing what's next. There, SpaceX, of course, is a very ambitious company. I'm sure they wanna do ambitious things. Part of the reason, also in my opinion, is there's been such a big lag from the first flight to the upcoming flight is the fact that they had to essentially rebuild all underneath the launch mount. There was a big undertaking they had to do. Fingers crossed, they won't have to do that between flight two and flight three. So, the only things in the way of flight three would be booster readiness and ship readiness, pending anything that they learned from flight two, of course. So, I really feel like it could just be a matter of weeks between flight two and flight three whatever booster and ship combo they decide to use compared to the months we've been waiting since April now for flight two. Gotcha. So, guess we'll just have to see after that what happens. So, we'll go with that. Also, you did have something that you said, Dad, I wanna show that later. And also, I want you to show that because I saw it last night as I was getting my notes and stuff prepped and ready to go for the show today. Super interesting. Let's see it. Yeah, so this is a picture from Jack Byer down in Boca. And there's been a mysterious ship nose cone that's been sat in the mid bay at the production site for a while now. And if you don't understand how the production site is laid out, essentially the mid bay is the worst bay to take photos into because it's at the front of the site but it faces the back of the site. So, in order to have any hope of seeing in, you have to trek all the way around to the back of the site, peer in, and even then you've got all of the production site stuff in front of you. And they've also just built a brand new mega bay there as well. So, it's essentially really hard to shoot into. The other day, last night, they decided to roll the mysterious nose cone out of the mid bay by the village which is publicly accessible. So we could see it like this. This is a photo from yesterday. And this ship nose cone was originally intended for ship 21. It was then moved to ship 22. And then you can see at the bottom here in this ring section, they just stacked it on one singular ring section and then rolled it out. So you might be thinking like, oh, big deal, okay. But if you zoom in, it's got a door on the side. And if you zoom in even further, it's got a box here that says HLS. So this essentially confirms that this nose cone prototype is a prototype for the human landing system which is SpaceX's Starship Lunar Lander for Artemis III. And yeah, it's really exciting because we have actual HLS prototype hardware. It's there, it exists. And this isn't just like a nose cone that's been painted white with the US flag on it like that original HLS nose cone that SpaceX had a couple of years ago. This is like actual stuff. This is like, it's not a proper door yet. I will say that it's just kind of covered in tarp. And I don't think that's, you know, rated for lunar landings in terms of being able to keep all the lives of it just going without anything leaking out the side. Hey, you know what? Mark Watney put a parachute on top of the Mars asset vehicle. So I think a tarp can do perfectly fine on the moon where there is no atmosphere. Thank you very much. Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, it's just, we've got hardware and it's exciting because, you know, it's not a perfect HLS nose cone by any means. It's got tiles and bits for flaps and whatnot, but the flaps have been taken off. But, you know, we're getting somewhere. And to think that Artemis III is meant to be happening in the next two to three years, this is pretty exciting stuff to see because Starship will be required for Artemis III. They can't just switch out to Blue Origin Scander because that's contracted for a completely different mission years and years after Artemis III. So if Starship isn't ready for Artemis III, then it's going to be the thing that they raise it because SLS is starting to get ready for Artemis III. So fingers crossed they can, SpaceX can really start, you know, working on this HLS variant hard and getting all the data that they need because this is going to be absolutely incredible to watch. This is starting to feel like the period of time prior to Apollo. If you look at all these test articles, like I'm a huge fan of museums. I love going to air parks and looking at old rockets and a lot of the way that this hardware is marked and iterated and there's only one and it was discarded or blew up on the pad and all that, it feels a lot like the straps, the remnants from the pre-Apollo era, all the legwork that they were doing prior to actually having Apollo rockets orbiting the Earth. I think it's fantastic. And what's so cool about this is that we're living in an era where that information and the ability to see and participate that as an observer is like instantaneous. Like you are definitely capable of being a part of that. And in some cases contributing to it as well. That was absolutely not present whatsoever during the Apollo program. So yeah, it's pretty, what a time to be alive with all of that, with all of what we're experiencing going on as well. And also I just want to give a nice shout out as well to NASA Space Flight for all of the work that they do and Ryan with you at NASA Space Flight as well with all the work y'all are doing down there. Keep us all in the loop, at least in terms of, what is that when we see things down there? Also I want to say a special shout out to Jack as well for doing so great with the photography and video and get Jack a Topo Chico as fast as possible with that there. So he give Jack all of the bacon and all of the Topo Chico with that there. And I do want to actually ask something and this goes for not just you Ryan but also you Dada, involving SpaceX here. Which is that, what was it? Four months ago, 30th space wing out here in California at Bandenberg Space Force Base. And now since SpaceX was getting slick six, which is Space Launch Complex six out there. And we haven't heard anything since. Is there, can anybody think of a reason as to why that would be, why that has happened? I actually don't think I've heard SpaceX confirm that they have slick six. My best guess is it would have just been a strong rumor or something that hasn't been fully confirmed yet or they're still doing paperwork or just a variety of different things that they are yet to do before they can officially start working on the pad because I could only imagine how much tape there is to get through to take things down or put things up or change things. And at the end of the day, it's a space force base. So that would be my best guess. The thing is is that the release announcing this was done through Bandenberg there. So it wasn't just like somebody on the internet posted something, it was the actual base itself that said that SpaceX is gonna be taking over slick six, but then there's been, as far as I know, there has not been a confirmation from even ex-themselves about that. So they could tell you, but they'd have to kill you. That would make sense. There's also plenty of things that they've done before, maybe not as big as obtaining a new launch pad, but SpaceX does stuff all the time and doesn't officially confirm anything. Like I just said, they haven't officially confirmed the next booster or ship. They haven't officially confirmed this new prototype. They haven't officially confirmed many, many different things that we see every day. So just because SpaceX haven't officially confirmed it, I wouldn't put it into doubt. It's just maybe either it hasn't come through the press cycle, they're not ready to announce anything yet, or they're gonna build something there and then announce it. Or they may just not have announcing it as the first thing on the list of things to do. Gotcha, okay. Well, I guess we'll just keep a very close eye on that. I know when I went through in June on the Pacific Surfliner, which is an Amtrak train that goes through Vandenberg, very edge of Vandenberg, there was definitely work happening at six when I went on my way up in the morning when I was going up and also on my way back to LA when it was late at night. So I guess around the clockwork. And I guess one of the ways that I can tell that there's a lot of SpaceX people there is that there were constantly Teslas going back and forth in between those six, six, six, yeah. And there was also a broken rim and flat tire for a lucid on the side of the road. Oh, no. So I don't know what could have happened there. Oh, no, that's terrible news. It's a little inside joke for those of you. Sorry, that might have been a little too inside, but so was the crack on the rim. Anyways, so we'll just keep our ear to the ground about that one. And, you know, tomorrow fully endorses slick six from the ground up because it is such a really cool launch pad. And as far as I'm concerned, it's the best launch pad in the world. It's in a beautiful place out in the country. So it just doesn't get much better than that. And every single time I see the photos of Enterprise sitting on slick six, I'm always like, oh, what could have been? But don't want to bury the lead too much. So thank you, Ryan, for helping us out with our little SpaceX update today. Lots of good stuff. Well, maybe we can, in the members only show, we can talk a little bit about NASA and their sort of beefing that went on this week. I don't even know if I really call it beefing, but more just like, it's more like when Bridenstine was like, that's cool, but can we focus on what we need to do? It kind of felt a little more like that as opposed to anything else, which is also funny because it's like, you know, I feel like there's also a necessary level of that needing to happen with Boeing as well, NASA needing to do that, but they don't ever really seem to want to do that. But that sounds like something we'll talk about in the members only stream. So if you want to become a member, you can of course go to youtube.com slash PMRO slash join and join right now for as little as 99 cents a month and you basically get instant access to our members only show that we're going to have. After that, I don't know who wrote that one in the chat room, just now going to the country gonna flush me a lot of rockets. Okay. I can't remember who does that song, but I literally heard it exactly like this song. So it's very nice. Nobody got my boards of Canada reference. It's okay. So Michael says that Rocket Lab's launch pad at the heat of peninsula is much, much prettier than without fog. That's true. But part of the charm of Vanden Fog is the fact that it does have fog so bad that you have to draw outlines of your rockets for your webcasts. So. What's another thing with Vanden if they're going to start launching starships there, they might be, maybe the reason that they've got slick six is to test launch new starship prototypes and we might have a clue what they're doing because it'll be concealed by fog. We're going to launch a rocket and you might see it and you might not. You know what? Knowing Starship, it will probably clear out the fog for the base there. So with that much thrust coming out then, yeah, that's going to clear it out, let me tell you. Yeah. All right. So main focus, what our thumbnail was about today, which was that Virgin Galactic finally did its first tourist flight and conducted its first tourist suborbital flight. And that is a major milestone for them. We are, one, they have finally done it, too. I guess we're no longer allowed to make the six months out joke anymore. I guess February was our last chance to do it and be chronologically accurate with that there. So what went down? What did we end up seeing on this first official tourist suborbital space flight? It was pretty similar to the other flights that we've seen before because it's the same launch location. It's the same vehicles. It's pretty much the same everything. But it's what's on the inside that counts. And inside was the first three civilian passengers that Virgin Galactic have taken to 88.5 kilometers, which was the aperture of this flight. On board were two people born in the Caribbean. They won their seat through a competition which raised $1.7 million for space for humanity, which is like a charity for different space things. And also John Goodwin, who's an Olympian, he bought his ticket in 2005. Background, the whole Virgin Galactic thing was first starting to get going. And he also became the second person to go to space with Parkinson's. So there are loads of different backgrounds here for this flight. But it has four seats and there's only three passengers. So the fourth passenger was Beth Moses. She's I think like the chief astronaut instructor or something along those lines at Virgin Galactic. Essentially, she's a bit like the cabin crew. She's in charge of making sure everyone gets back to their seats, their seat belts are fastened, they're all safe and secure, nothing's going wrong, things like that. So that's kind of her role there as the fourth passenger inside of a spaceship too. And there you go in the bottom right. And they get all clear to unbuckle their seat belts and then they get floating away looking at the window. And as always, Virgin Galactic do a wonderful job with releasing b-roll video like this to the press. So thanks Virgin Galactic for that. It's a big help, especially when you're making videos on the things. And also only a couple of the cameras inside the cabin are available live. So all of the other ones you can see on each window, they have a camera on each window to see reactions and things like that to the earth outside. So yeah, we only get them after the fact. And it's also always great to see those angles as well, which we'll see in a second. Yeah, and seeing everybody just basically go to the window and hang out at the window, that's pretty much what I am expecting to see on a lot of the tourist flights. It's not like what we saw on the previous flight where the participants were actually technically working with that. So that is really cool to see folks just enjoying it this time with it. Also, they went up to 88 kilometers. That seems like that was a pretty high apogee for Spaceship 2. I don't know if I've heard of them having an apogee that high before. So only totally. They're apogees, but it is kind of in the ballpark that they aim for. And I guess things like wind conditions and the total mass of the vehicle and there's a bunch of factors into how that energy is displaced in order to gain its altitude and different physics things like that. And yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm looking at it now and the Unity 21 flight went up to 89 kilometers. So just about half a kilometer more than this. But admittedly, that only had two people on board with that one. And then BFO 1, which was like the official demonstration flight. Yes, that one had Beth Moses on board for that one. And that went to basically 90 kilometers. So this is still up there. This is still pretty up there for what it's got. So, wow. Fantastic. Brigid said they're gonna start ramping up to about once a month, if I recall correctly. Yep, so yeah. In response to our avails comments, saying glad to see them picking up the pace. They flew, they've now flown in August. They flew in, they didn't fly in July, but they flew right at the end of June. So essentially a month between flights. And from now on, they want to have a once a month cadence for each flight. So you'll be glad to go three, oh, four or five, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But of course, you have to remember they have one mother ship and one spaceship at the moment. So they have to use this vehicle. The nozzle uses ablative cooling. So they need to sort the nozzle out. They also need to make sure that the vehicle is prepped for the next flight. They have to go through a bunch of different things because they're regulated by the FAA. So there are multiple different things for safety that they have to go through and replace because they've used them up. So yeah, I think it's an acceptable cadence considering you only have one set of vehicles compared to airlines which have hundreds and hundreds of airplanes flying hundreds and hundreds of times every day. You can't exactly do that when you have one space plane and one mother ship. Yeah, that makes it a little bit difficult. Almost like you have to have a fleet of spacecraft if you want to fly often. So, oh no, I didn't. So that's pretty amazing. Well, great for Virgin Galactic. Of course, we wish them continued success and also continued safe flights with that as well. So, I wanted to say a little bit because me and Dutta have actually seen a spaceship to nozzle up close and personal before but it was probably not where you would expect it to be. It was at a bar, so at a science theme bar. So that was a pretty entertaining time. Well, we got to see that once there. And Eka in our chat room saying that SpaceX plans a fleet as well and I would almost say SpaceX does have a fleet at this point and not just of recovery ships but also of crew dragons. So, makes sense to me. And the boosters, they have a fleet of boosters. Yes, that too. I always forget about the fact that they have a whole bunch of boosters sitting on the ground at the Cape and Vandenberg. So, I was just thinking about it. I think at Vandenberg they have four boosters sitting basically sitting there waiting for use. I wonder if they just walk into the building where all the boosters are at and there's like any mini mining launch a booster really fast or something like that. I don't know and that's how they pick them or something like that. Or they like flip coins all day long or something and then they have. Well, it's certainly not something that's set in stone. They change the booster numbers whenever they like. But there's like even this month there's been several cases of a mission that was intended to fly on booster number X but it actually flew on booster number Y. So, they change them out as they need them. Maybe this booster still needs its engine to be looked at all and this booster is actually ready to go but its mission has been delayed. So, let's put it on this mission and make some matches they need. Yeah, so that's how they choose it with that there. And one very interesting thing that has been happening over the past couple of weeks to me is just how much of a focus has shot back to the moon and in the present as well because we have had two missions now on their, well, one mission has actually arrived at the moon after being on its way to the moon and then another mission is on its way to the moon after launching to the moon and the arrival mission was Sean John III from the Indian Space Research Organization and then the launch one that happened this week was Luna 25 from Roscosmos working with that. So, we've got two missions to the lunar surface on their way and hopefully going to be doing what they're gonna be doing in just a little bit not long from now. And I'm personally really excited about it. I've always been a huge fan of ISRO and the work that they do in India because they just seem to have, like they have unbelievably smart people who are able to do things with such a small budget compared to like what NASA does and other things like that. And even though it's not always a success like Chandra on two, the orbiter component was a success but the lander component did not work as intended but I mean, it's still amazing that they're still capable of doing these things. They did the Mars orbital mission and is that still going? I'm not sure, but anyways. I'm not sure. I'm sorry, I just totally missed. I was looking up about ISRO and then you've got the Luna 25 launch playing there. And Luna 25 is Roscosmos heading back to the moon. And this is their first mission to the moon in a very, very long time. And what do we mean by long time? We mean Luna 24, which that was back in 1976. So it took very much the better part of half a century for Russia to return to the moon here. And I really hope that it works out well for them. And Luna 25 is also going to be bringing samples back. So correct, I believe it is. So. I think you're correct as well. I'm not sure, but it sounds correct because it sounds like something they want to do to get their own samples back. Yeah, I swear it's a sample return mission. I'm looking it up real quick just to make sure. Hopefully a bit cheaper than that Mars sample return is. I'll tell you one thing. Our chat room will tell us very quickly whether we are correct or if we are wrong. And they will very sternly let us know for that as well. But I swear it is a sample return mission. If not, it is taking samples and it's going to be at least analyzing them very thoroughly on the surface. I know it does have an arm to scoop samples and work with that there. So, and I don't know why I cannot find any info in articles about whether it is or is not. This is a very, this is an interesting one to have happen live on the air with it there. So, and our chat room is, I can tell our chat room's just not paying attention to us. So, oh well. Well, there's a delay too. Yeah, well, usually they're pretty quick on that delay, but they're furiously googling, I can feel it. Yeah, are you sure about that? So, no, apparently they're talking about the Iron Sky movies right now that there's a fourth Iron Sky movie, which I don't even know what we're talking about at that point. So, I just, I don't know. So, there goes, okay, so our chat room is just as confused as we are about it. Okay, so, so, I guess that means Russ Cosmos needs to step it up in the news, in the PR department there and getting their stuff out with that. But either way, it's gonna be landing near the Lear South Pole, which is where everybody is heading right now and wants to see what's going on. It's like the latest and greatest package holiday destination, everyone's just flocking to the south of the moon, because that's where all the cool kids are going. So, we might as well go there too. Gotcha, yeah. So, as far as I- We vacationed there last year, but it wasn't for us. As far as I could see, this is actually not a sample return mission, but it will be studying the samples very, very closely. So, I mean, we're gonna have to find that out and then do a really good video to help with that. So, well, don't worry. Like I said, we'll make a very cool video to make up for our several minutes of cluelessness here. But Chandra on three we know is definitely not a sample return mission. That is for sure just a lander working with that there. And I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to all of this. It's like a little, if you're a big lunatic, this is like a new renaissance of flights and things that are happening lately. And I'm very excited about this. It's gonna end very, very well with that. And, check it out, as Ekka is saying, that's where the lunar beaches are. So, yes, if you wanna go hang out and check it, you'll chill for a little bit. Just like you said, go on holiday, Ryan. That's one way you can do it. Yeah, some of that lunar ice. Exactly, yeah. And Andrew is actually saying, isn't there water at the South Pole? I guess, in ice, we're very confident that there's water ice at the lunar South Pole and that is what Lunar 25 is specifically there for. We also got GTH there. Saying that hopefully they don't scatter flakes across a future landing site. Again, flakes. I don't know if I have heard this one. What are the flakes that got scattered out? I assume it means flakes of spacecraft after impact. So, that's my best guess, anyway. After previous failed attempts to land on the Moon. Okay, yeah, I mean, it does kick it up a bit, doesn't it? But, you know, it happens. Actually, that is a thing in case anybody wanted to know there was space flight, space spacecraft that NASA flew around the Moon back in 2013 called the Lunar Atmospheric and Dust Environment Explorer or LADDI for short. And it was studying the dust environment in that area there around the Moon. And it actually did end up detecting one of China's Chang'e landers that actually landed at that time simply by the dust that that lander kicked up during its landing. So, I think that's absolutely phenomenal that they were able to detect that and that you really can actually change the dust environment of the lunar atmosphere with just one spacecraft. So, that's wild. So, yeah. So, I guess we'll have to take a look at that very, very soon and we'll keep a very close eye on that as well. Now, we wanna talk about our best friends here on the show with the company that starts with a B, for best friends, which is Boeing. Boy, just when we'd had a show about Boeing not doing so hot with Starliner, guess what happens? We got a news conference, we got a news conference which means everything must be good news. No, no, everything is not good news. I think we should, I mean, chat if you want it. Let's give you three chances to figure out what's happened with Starliner. The first three messages, the next three messages in chat, what do you think's happened to Starliner? If they're, if you get three chances, you get three strikes and then you're wrong and I tell you the answer anyway. Oh, three strikes, okay, something that's the baseball. So, that's good. So, now we just have to wait for the YouTube buff first to decide to catch up because that's a thing. Echo got it first, well done, more delays. You are precise, you're very correct in that one, it's been delayed even more. But there is, there was actually. I think Ryan got so excited there that we lost Ryan. But yes, more delays indeed. And what ended up happening is that we now know that the tape, the issue with the tape with flammable adhesive on it and parachutes is becoming the critical problem with that there. Yeah, and I just gave them, Ryan, I just told them about the tape and the parachutes there. So don't worry, it's fine. I know you just got, you got so excited that like a power surge went through. Boeing delayed so much that it crashed Chrome on back. It's fine. They got to Ryan, they got to Ryan. Oh no, birds aren't real before they take me out. So yeah, Colton is saying, uh-oh, the Starlink failed the switch. No, it wasn't Starlink, I'll blame Photoshop. I got Photoshop open by accident and then apparently my RAM filled up. So Chrome decided it no longer wanted to exist, so it closed itself. But I'm back, I'm back. I've closed Photoshop, we're fine, we're fine. Anyways, yeah, Ryan, since you were going, please, go again, take off again, let it rip. So good news, they've removed some of the tape. They haven't removed all the tape, but they've removed some of the tape, which you know, it's good to hear that they are making progress, but I guess the progress is just going slower than they assumed. So we've been officially told in a NASA news conference that it's been delayed in 2024. Okay, or actually, I think the technical term was the point of the vehicle being ready or something like that has been delayed into 2024, but that doesn't mean the launch date is gonna be like at the start of 2024 because you need the vehicle to be ready, you need the pad to be ready, you need the rocket to be ready, you need the crew to be ready. And there's many different things you need to be ready for a crew launch and Slick 41 is gonna be sharing itself between Atlas and between Vulcan and we have Vulcan's test like coming up over the next few months, hopefully. And we also have Atlas missions returning this month for commercial customers and things like that. So Starliner really might not actually get launching crew until the back end of 2024, which would be annoying, but kind of it now kind of has to share its position with all of the other customers ULA has and its Vulcan program, because the last few months for ULA have been kind of bare, they've had a Delta IV heavy and that's kind of it. So Starliner had a real good window all to itself to launch crew and it missed it. So it's really starting to become a more, in ULA terms, a more heavy period for ULA over the next few months. Yeah, and I'm just so confused about, that the tape one is what really gets me I just don't understand how you end up putting flammable tape on something. And part of me wonders if there was a change in the almost like certification of the tape after it had already been added to the spacecraft. Like I just don't understand, how do you put the wrong type of tape on a spacecraft? I don't know, it just doesn't make any sense. Parachutes I understand, Dutta, you have a whole book about parachutes, because like we still don't really have a good understanding of the physics of parachutes. Like yeah, we can sort of understand, but at the same time parachutes is complex, they difficult to work with. Well, in principle, we don't really know how planes work. We know more about parachutes than planes. Yeah, and as far as we're concerned, helicopters are just pure witchcraft. So they really are. By those standards, helicopters are pure magic. Down at Sikorsky, there's just people standing in dark rooms wearing funny hats, chanting languages that have not been heard in thousands of years. And that's how designs just come up. That's how they do CAD at Sikorsky in cases that you wanted to know. CAD and their CFD work, they're done. They walk a large piece of paper with divining rods. Well, it's not, you know, that's honestly not far off from what actually happens. Except in this case, if you just take sand and we make the sand really smart and make it think using, by zapping it with electricity. And actually, Courtney Johnson is saying, if I heard the tape used to be certified and now it's not, that's why I'm wondering what's going on with it. Because I also heard that too, which I'm trying to, you know, to see if that's working with it there. And then Travis, I cannot, absolutely. Oh my gosh, the whole chat room is now jumping in on that. Travis has chanted to sign for that there. And then Bennett, saying Sikorsky has tech from Hyrule. So for those of you who have played the latest Zelda game, I guess that's one to go with it. And then Ekassane's divining rod says draw here. Oh, that's really, really funny. I mean, that's how I do most of my CAD. Yeah, I don't know about you guys. That's how I do it too. So, I mean, sometimes you go Viking style, which is you take a whole bunch of hallucinogens and then go for it. But that's kind of just how it ends up happening. So, T-Man Army says, we also have to remember, Boeing has never done a capsule before. Don't get it, just give them some more time. Well, I'm kind of on the fence about that one because Boeing is one of the prime contractors for the International Space Station. So, they've got a lot of experience in building stuff that's supposed to work in space. Yeah, but they never had a tape contract. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Also, Courtney, I love this latest comment. Talking about, where did we hear about the tape being de-certified after being certified? Maybe I heard it from you. I don't know. Maybe I did start the rumor for that, for all I know. Boy, I'm not very good at remembering half of the things I say on the show. What were we talking about earlier? By the way, if anybody wants to look it up, the tape is called P-213, and it's a highly specialized glass cloth tape. So, it's to do things like low outgassing and dealing with solvents very well and other stuff, which makes it really good for aerospace. Things like duct tape actually don't work well for space flight because the adhesive in duct tape has a lot of outgassing. There's a lot of moisture in the adhesive for duct tape that causes it to outgass a lot. So, they actually do not use duct tape in space flight, in case anybody was wondering about that one since I did see a lot of our chatroom saying that. By the way, if you would like some P-213 tape, I did find some. You can't get it on Amazon, unfortunately, but you can buy it online. If you want to get 60 yards of it, that is about half an inch wide. It's about $61. So, basically, 60 bucks, or 60 bucks, $1 a yard for it to go there, so in case you're wondering. This is what happens when you buy your P-213 on Wish. No, don't, stop, stop. Next thing you're going to tell me is that they might have sourced it from Alibaba. All right, so, Cary there saying, the ISS no longer needs Starliner for boosting. What Starliner are going to provide orbital boosts for the International Space Station? I'm not sure, but it certainly would have had the capacity to do so, I think. I mean, there's, Cygnus still exists, so. Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like Cygnus kind of does the job. Yep, Bennett in our chatroom is saying that Cygnus can now correct, and yes, Cygnus has gone through a couple of tests in order to make it look as you can, as you can see, Ryan has been stunned by this news about Cygnus with that. With that, that was such a good break to free time there. I think it's a misconception that I've seen going around recently. I've also seen some videos saying this as well. Antares, the 230 plus variant of Antares has been retired. Cygnus hasn't been retired. I've seen people saying Cygnus has been retired. No, it hasn't. That's complete, awesome misinformation. Cygnus is very much still an active resupply vehicle. They're just going to be flying it on Falcon 9 instead, whilst Cygnus, whilst the development for the, not Cygnus, even I'm doing it, whilst the development for the Antares 300 series gets underway with Firefly and Northrop Grumman. So Cygnus not retired, it's Antares 230 plus, specifically that variant, which has been retired. Yeah, so, yeah, so we'll have to figure that out. And I do know that they have, even before the war in Ukraine began, they were already talking about using Cygnus for Reboost capability. Just in case Russia lost the progress or two during the time periods that Cygnus could do it. So, but now, politically, it makes sense for Cygnus to be able to do something like that. And then also, I would imagine too that Northrop Grumman, is it still space innovation systems or are we just playing Northrop Grumman now? Well, I think Northrop Grumman innovation systems is the official name, but if you just call them Northrop or Grumman, or Northrop Grumman, it gets a job done. Everyone knows that name. Okay. All the friends at NG, all the homies at NG, word up to them, I don't even know where I was. Where is I gonna go with this? All right, aren't they supplying, are they still doing a resupply spacecraft for Lunar Gateway or am I completely misremembering this? That was meant to be SpaceX with Dragon XL, which it looks like if Dragon and Cygnus had a child. But we haven't heard anything about that for literal years. Ever since it was announced, they've said nothing about it. So either it's a thing that they haven't said anything about or they're not gonna do it anymore. Gotcha, just like the middle child of a family. All right, so very, very cool. So by the way, everybody is asking, like there are a ton of people asking in the chat room right now whether a Cygnus can fly on a Falcon 9. So that's what it is. And then our avail here is bringing up the point that you're probably gonna say, Ryan. Yeah, I'll say it then. I'll say it then. Cygnus can fly any vehicle. I'm gonna look up the specific missions here. Because it was before Northrop's, before Northrop's becoming the innovation systems, Bortau, Orbital ATK, or Space Division and Northrop government or whatever it was. Let's look through here. So when it was still Orbital ATK, where did we go? Here we go. So after the Antares 130 explosion, if you remember, a spectacular fireball out of Wallops right after launch. Orbital ATK took the fourth, sixth, and then they did it on 230 and then they went back to Atlas V for number seven. So three flights of Cygnus have already flown on Atlas V. And in the future, what is it? It's NG-2021 and 22 are scheduled to fly on the Falcon 9. So it's gonna be November of this year and both of the 2020 four flights. And then fingers crossed by NG-23, the new Antares 330 variant, which as I said earlier, was between Northrop government and Firefly Aerospace. Once that's produced, fingers crossed that should be ready for NG-23. So yeah, it's already flown on Atlas V back in, when was this? 2017, 2016, and 2015. So this is a new territory for Cygnus. It's done this plenty of times before. Yeah, and I was also gonna say that Cygnus at its maximum weight is at about seven tons. So that is within Falcon 9 recovery with it, albeit downrange, right? But it is well with the margins. They launched Dragon and Cargo on Falcon 9, right? They already do CRS missions with Falcon 9. So this isn't anything new for Falcon 9 and this isn't anything new for Cygnus in terms of flying to the ISS and flying on a different vehicle. There's plenty of experience with both of these things, with both of these vehicles across missions before. And also Dragon 1 and 2 are very different things. So SpaceX have launched two different spacecraft before I'd argue to the ISS, two different variants of spacecraft. So there's loads of experience in doing this. This isn't new. They have done it before. Yeah, and Cygnus is, I guess what we call a launch vehicle agnostic, which means you can stick it on anything within reason, at least, right? I'm not an actual. I don't think it would fit on an actual. Yeah, I don't think it's gonna make it there either. I don't think you can carry it on White Knight 2 or stick it under the wing of Cosmic Girl, RIP, Virgin Orbit on that front with it. I don't think it's gonna work that way either. But I think also, Starliner's also vehicle agnostic too, right? Like they have the ability to stick it on other launch vehicles besides an Atlas 5 if I remember correctly. You can't fly Atlas 5 forever because they've wrapped up the production line for Atlas 5. They've wrapped up Atlas 5 because they can't book any more missions because they've got all their parts for it. So it needs to be able to fly on a future vehicle because you and I just aren't making Atlas 5 anymore. Yeah, and Team An Army saying and once Vulcan gets online, Cygnus can fly on it. Exactly. And then Travis is saying, imagine if a few delays to Vulcan cause track it's Cygnus and Starliner to all fly on Falcon 9. That sounds like a day the apocalypse would occur with that. I have my doubts Starliner will ever fly on Falcon 9. Now, I'm not gonna say it's impossible, but I severely do not expect Starliner to ever fly on a SpaceX vehicle just because of the whole Dragon and Starliner situation. One flying pretty much perfectly first time, the other one still in development after being given more money by NASA. Oh man, I'm sure if Starliner were to fly on the Falcon 9, there would be many bruised egos within that division, but honest. Many said one smoke. Yes, yes, but maybe that's also the kind of kick in the pants that somebody needs. You can pin, maybe? I don't know. Well, Ben had just left an interesting comment saying, you say that Ryan, but one web, and yes, one web did launch on Falcon 9, but I think there's a pretty good argument that one web and Starlink are not the same product. They're for different customers, business and civilian use. One web aren't selling directly to customers. They're selling their services to other internet service providers who then sell it to the customer. So two different things with Starlink and One Web, and they're not in the same kind of rivalry that they are with SpaceX. They haven't been contracted by the US government in order to provide human launching services to the ISS. SpaceX and Boeing have both been contracted to do that. SpaceX has done it flawlessly, Boeing hasn't. So there's two completely different kind of company relationships there between SpaceX and One Web and SpaceX and Boeing. Yeah, and Boeing got more money to do it improperly. I mean, it's how it's worked out. Behind schedule. Yeah, behind schedule, one mistake after another. Yeah, it's just, yeah, it's incredibly frustrating to see that. But old space versus new space, however you want to phrase it up, that's kind of how it's been going. So do we have anything else before we're going to head into our members only screen? Which by the way, if you do want to become a member, if you do become a member right now by going to youtube.com slash tmro slash join and literally 99 cents a month. As low as that is what gets you a membership. That's not even a quarter of a cup of coffee at your favorite coffee place. You can immediately get access to our members only stream, which is going to be coming right after this. We appreciate all of our members. All of you are helping us out in making this happen. And we are so appreciative of everything that you do in your decision to say, hey, I like tomorrow a lot. 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