 We're going to talk a little bit about the film and also get some perspective from them about the film and also about bullying in general and bullying in Santa Cruz and get an idea of some of their ideas. You've heard from some of these kids already so you know it's going to be a wild great ride for the next 45 minutes. I want to start with having each one of the kids introduce themselves to you and let you know a little bit about who they are. Jackson do you want to start because everybody knows you anyway? Hello if you've ever heard me, I feel like famous right now, like I'm on The Voice or something. Where's Shakira? So I'm Jackson Brady and I'm a senior at Soko High School. I'm at a few clubs at my school that have to do with it. There's Client and Council and I'm in that and Link Crew which is like kind of for the Link Crew later so we kind of go through with a freshman and like on their first day of school and kind of help their year out and like experience. And I've been in those two for a while. I'm in Key Club too. It's like a community service club and I like food and life. Those things and Beyonce so it was great you know. I'm really happy to be here because this is really exciting. This whole time has been so like enlightening to get like see how passionate and like in depth everything and bullying is and just really cool to see so. My name is Sara Villabal. I'm a feminist club so far as president and the president of the Soko High GSA. We're both active clubs in the community and we work at the diversity center and we work at all the happy women's center and we like to get kids that are high school age to know their rights. It's really nice. A lot of us don't know them. I'm yeah like Jackson said this whole day has been really enlightening and I really stand up for bullying. I don't like kids at all. I'm definitely a big, my standard intervention person at my school. There is, it's different because in my experiences of being bullied because it started when I was pretty young like around fourth grade or so and you know there's the whole like list of our slides that we're looking at of the characteristics of these kids that were getting bullied and looking at them. I was never one of those like I don't recognize any of those like personality traits in me so why was I cast out? Like why was I picked on? I don't understand. But you know in middle school like it really just made me stronger. I graduated middle school right in 2-2 and I don't care and look at me now. I'm Adia and I'm a junior at Swift Go-Hack and I'm part of the climate council, environmental club, avid club and I just really want to help people and I'm basically here because for the same reason as you I want to know more about bullying. I want to know how to prevent it and I'm all about changing people for the better. Thank you so much for sharing a little bit about who you are and we're going to know you better as we go on here. I wanted to address first to talk a little bit about the movie and see this is the first time you've all seen this movie like many of us in the room here and I want to get a little sense from you on what stood out for you in the movie, what really happened for you when you saw this movie. We can kind of talk a little bit about that. I really like the way it was made like all the kids were speaking about their own experiences instead of like some doctor telling us what they know like here's the statistics there's I'm super smart but no they were actually teaching us. All doctors are really smart yeah because they were speaking out about it and it helped me recognize that there are lots of types of bullying too and that we go to a really school that's not racially diverse like these other schools and we don't have that kind of bullying so help me recognize the bullying that we have in our town and how we can help our community with that kind of bullying. I see like just bullying on like social status in our school and it's really wrong. Weird hierarchy of like social status there's also like a lot of gay bashing not not not like really profound but there's like a lot of like oh you're a homo and you're bang whatever it's like well like I'm sure with you like with your integrity and your morals gosh your intelligence I'm sure you can pick up very more appropriate words to use than calling that personal bang and like I'm sure you've got something up there in your head way better describe something up there you know but uh I find that there's a lot of slut shaving like I know that this is middle school like they only kind of talked about like oh you're a homo with that sexist and there's a good upstanding that we have going on here that are developed like really early on but uh in high school it becomes like a lot more so like the slut shaving and I'd really like to stop that because we really uh pride ourselves on being who we are and you know standing up for other people. It sounds like that's a really important to us I was to be someone who stands up for other people that you've really taken on that role in your school. There's like bullies like my cousin came up to me he's like seven years old it's like sorry there's a bully at my school like I tried to tell him something that like he was like doing something that wasn't nice to some kid and he pushed me and I was like what like you're seven and it's odd because like when I was like back on that I think that's when like bullies are happening to me it's like not right I think that's what we really need to start like uh teaching empathy those kinds of things which kind of happens but it really depends on like this kind of school that they just showed in the movie was a different kind of school than we have in Sam and Cruz schools so I find that that makes a difference in like the environment that we have a lot of Sam and Cruz schools for the most part I feel really Sam and Cruz as a whole is like pretty isolated as an anomaly of sorts of cities but uh it's just odd that that happens like that still happens as kids are so young and it's like who can tell what like really you know provokes these bullies it's like they must be so like self-conscious that their ego inflates and so you know everything that someone else does really uh bothers them and bothers them internally they like don't know how to ignore that and so you know their actions like you you may be doing nothing but and then what they do to you like is just unjustifiable like you can't they have no reason to do that except that they are how they are and we try to want to take that more in the core to really uh calm children I don't know to teach them empathy to teach them that other people are different you don't need to like take certain actions like that still happens in high school it's not okay it's like that person's not doing anything to you you need to not gang up on them you need to not like talk badly about them to not bully them or attack the weaknesses it's not okay speaking of a lot of what was happening in the film around bullying world was kids getting bullied because they were somehow different from from their peers of religion and the city so maybe it's too short um the way it was enabled what's your sense about that from sort of what you know you know years of growing up and seeing some of that stuff what's your sense about you know what what causes that why do people want to believe something is different I guess like family life or where you come from like a lot of parents that I the kids that I know their parents are kind of like homophobic so they're homophobic too and I guess family life really plays into that it's a really good point and in some of the points that they talked about earlier yeah like the guy with his brother it roots from ignorance like how that one kid was like oh I go teach people about my religion um well it really just all spawns from ignorance and not like uh like being in special ed or having special needs it's like not like a big thing it's like well you need to understand why you can't like or it just doesn't give you a reason to do that that's not that's not a good reason at all or any kind of reason to say anything about that yeah and I think this movie really portrays like bullying in a really general sense and I think it's really like a really good depiction of it but I think with our school and school that I'm familiar of around this county I think has a kind of like an evolved sense of bullying in a sense um and I think that people don't go like oh you're dumb and I feel like people just like laugh because it's like that's stupid because a lot of people don't consider that as an insult anymore to me that's what I've noticed like when someone says like oh Jackson you're dumb I'm like oh you know it's cool I don't know yeah cool um but I noticed like a lot of people if they're really determined really go get beneath people's skin and say things like to that one poor kid who was like in sixth grade and he said like oh because you're Jewish like what is that like you're trying so hard to find something it's like it just is so disgusting to know that someone will go to that extent to really it just shows so much character on their part oh yeah there's just such weird like ways that bullying has evolved yeah there's this one um I was in class like last week I went and talked to teacher about it and I like cleared everything up I like interviewed and was like look you guys need to like sit down stop like why don't you go get some work done this poor kid like you need to go lay off him um and they like there are these three guys there's this other kid and I think that he has autism or something and like I don't think that these other guys know it but he's just like a little whatever he's got like his differences he's got like whatever he wants to do that's fine it's like but for some reason he like really affects these like three guys at all like gang up or friends are in that class and like there's just this weird system of like being a predator of like but like hunting in the group it's like this kid just wants to be loved and accepted yeah and like he just wants to make friends and there's these guys who like are just like putting the bait out there be like oh we're totally your friends like that's why you're in a group with us that's why we sit near you that's why we like talk to you or like just make fun of you do whatever but like really they're like totally messing with them totally being jerks to them like and like I would just sit there in class and be like does he not there's no one else see this like I'm so concerned like I can't even do my work I'm just like hoping that this kid is like okay because you know he like uh they're like touch him and he like twitches like you know get away from me like obviously this kid doesn't feel safe like someone needs to do something about this and so I like tell a teacher a teacher goes takes the kid who's being like victimized outside and I go up to these three guys I'm like look you guys gotta have some goddamn integrity and not like step it up you get it's not a secret that you guys are bullying this kid in class everyone can see it everyone knows that you're doing it and like I'm here to tell you guys you need to stop like being jerks not like like have some more like courage you know no one's gonna want to be friends with you and since then they've totally just stopped picking on him it was really hilarious they just got so embarrassed they like I gather as there is like you all need to listen up because it was like especially after um like there's been those two suicides at uh Aptos High which is very sad and unfortunate and so I talked to him I was like people people literally kill themselves because they're bullied like what you do is like completely not okay it doesn't matter like what this kid is doing to you because people are dying that you do this and so it just it made them really embarrassed and it made them really quiet and they just went to their work and went down to their actual seats and I they just have stopped picking on that kid I'm really glad that kid feels safe now thank you Esar I had such an amazing example of being an ally and someone who can stand up and somebody who's trying to change the culture of school you know and that's really important you know we we were talking a little bit about at the table a little bit about once again different ways or different reasons why people get bullied and one of the things that we were talking about is racial bullying and we were kind of talking about that in terms of Santa Cruz and Stephanie you were talking about in the some sort of you go ahead in school sometimes it's same like you see like the white people hanging out in a certain place or like you see them always participating in school activities but you never see any other types of students like Latinos for example participating and I think it's because like sometimes yes other students may feel intimidated by them but us like Latinos like some of my friends I know were intimidated and that's why we like not really participate even though we want to and I think that's a big issue because I think everybody should be able to participate and have the same opportunities as everybody else and I think it does create problems in classrooms because you can walk into a classroom and you feel like the tension because you know you see like all the different little groups separated and like they sit with each other and it's like you feel kind of comfortable because then no one gets along or like it's just you can't really work with other people because of that tension and I think that's like an issue that should be worked on and I think because in in avid freshman class we had an intervention which Jackson and Carla were part of and it was because there was that tension and I think doing certain activities and talking to students separately can help them get through it but sometimes it may be hard because some just don't want to actually listen to that it's totally true that we have like these rare groups in our school that are like racially separated I think that goes for like all Santa Cruz schools because of the demographics of like the kids that go to school in uh like the public schools in Santa Cruz that it's mostly like Latino and then white and it's pretty cut down the middle but like it's really segregated once you get into the school and like you see like who's hanging out with who and it's just all not not mixed and it seems so like it seems like people don't realize they're doing it it's kind of subconscious or really like accepted that we do this and it's really wrong so it's kind of part of the culture of the school and maybe the culture of Santa Cruz yeah thinking I think part of like sorry there's even classes that are like racially segregated and it scares me I think part of like climate council I know is um creating like a different climate within like classrooms that really mixes up um like mixes up people of different races because they want to we want to like close we want to like like mush the gap you know we want to uh like create a school where everyone can like socialize with each other without feeling tension and and so it sounds like climate council maybe avid are places where where some of that mixing is happening is that correct avid is more like for kids who are like underprivileged and want to go to college or want to get higher classes more advanced classes so we have those classes in place and I think it really helps because in that class I feel more comfortable than any other class but it's because in that class we have the time do you know like interact with each other which other classes we're just trying to cover material so it's really hard to do that so you actually get to know each other then yeah so the differences are not as big when you get to know each other yeah because we're kind of like a family because we all know each other and we're just like good friends in that class and I think that's what makes it like a great class but it's because we know each other very well and we've been in that class all three years and some sophomores for two years now and it sounds like that's a really successful program and a successful way to to start to break down some of those barriers to get to know each other it's kind of a novel concept do they have like do you know if they have avid groups and other besides soquel and like uh harvard I think they have some mission hell that's cool so one of the things that came up in in the film too was the whole idea about rumors and um one of the girls was really upset because her her friends turned on her on the last day of school that happens I know a lot in middle school are you seeing that as well in high school and sort of what what's the dynamics around rumors in high school like hard because I'm from what I know I don't want to be like just say something and be like ignorant to everything else you know and just say like oh to me like because to me I see like that there are a few kind of kind of high school like standard things where you're just like oh my gosh corny just talked about like Ricardo and or something I don't know and just like things that I mean are stereotypical for high schools to do in the sense where it's just like yeah so there are a lot of times where there is gossip but I feel like and specifically in my senior class I feel like there's not a lot of people that really care in a sense about gossip and it's like we all tolerate each other and I think it's like a really kind of special thing it's like we're not obviously perfect but we're in a sense really close to being something that would be kind of ideal for I wish all of my years for high school that could have been because I feel like when I came there freshman year I've had a lot of problems with I like just like I remember like all the bully names like of like all of like the people that like I would walk home from school and there was this guy I won't say his name just in case he's in the audience somewhere and like he was driving by and I walked him every single day from school and he's like fucking fat you can go die and just like things like that and just like it's not and then they hit with his friends and started laughing and everything and just things like that it really just stays with you regardless of how good your life is now you still reflect on it and you think about it at least you think it's something that has to do with you and then it's something that like oh there's something wrong with me you know and it you associate those things and it sucks and you you just kind of like contemplate just like why me why do I have to be like this or you always think it's like something with you and it's such a powerful thing that you just talked about as well about even when you know something's not true to have it yeah someone say that it's it stays with you and that was a long time ago yeah senior now and it's still very exactly it's really significant and like we're talking about like just like I think sorry I brought up something where it's like especially with like homosexuality and like gay lesbian and bisexual just like all whatever everything you are you're an alien whatever it is you're like considered lesser and I remember in sixth grade I would never want to be like people that call me gay like off the bat and I would be like I would not want to ever admit that I'd ever be like that I would never thought about it I didn't know what that meant and I just knew that I didn't want to be anything like that I don't want to do anything that was associated because they put in such a negative connotation and so how am I supposed to it was just like of course I'm like I've always I'm cool that now but it's like why would you bring something that is so natural for someone to be into such a negative form it's just like saying when that one kid was like well they made fun of me for being Jewish it's like how did you turn that into an insult yeah just how you are like not really something like you can change this off of that like I think as far as rumors go in SoCal like SoCal in particular I feel like is a pretty like I think that everyone SoCal like like tolerates each other I think everyone generally like really nice to each other on campus I feel pretty special to go to that school you guys start talking a little bit about homophobic violence and homophobic slurs those kinds of things and it was something that both of our morning speakers really brought up as such an important and integral part about what happens with bullying and so wanted to check in with you folks about how much that's happening in your school is that something that's pervasive in your school is it you know can you talk a little bit about that at our school I don't think it's as bad as some other school because we have like GSA and we have a lot of like out gay students who are like transgender and so and having having out out students is really helpful and it changes the climate it's definitely like people definitely like will like look around like look behind their shoulders before they're like it's like oh well of course you must feel ashamed that you're like saying something like that if you're like like you know it's wrong but um so the climate is it's not okay yeah people people will call you add on it it kind of depends on who your friends with and where you're at but uh I think having such active clubs um really helps um tone down the homophobic slurs uh but um and those people are still call each other faggots it's not right like people don't even know what they're saying really uh yeah having the clubs there is like helpful in the way that the like gay students are like transgender students like no there's people out there who would be there for them but we're uh I I feel that such as really inclusive that um like if you're uh out or if you're transgendered or whatever like people really make an effort to make you feel like supported and make you feel um like included I don't like I don't feel like super unsafe when I like walk around except like when I'm in classrooms and people are like uh oh that's gay love talking to their groups and then I'm like well now I'm with these guys and this is really annoying yeah definitely but it's a more target like middle school is definitely more of a place to target like um homophobic slurs in my eighth grade year I started up the uh the new brighton middle school gsa and that was really great that helped a lot of people I'm not really sure how it is doing now but uh we had a lot of people and there's like when we first started that club there was so much gay bashing like our posters were ripped down they were like written all over like it was terrible it was just like such like rudeness that was going on and uh like even for me like I I always had friends and it was like great but um uh people like assumed that I was a lesbian and like no one ever like told me that face to face and no one even like really cyber bullied it but like more in middle school people be like oh yeah everyone thought you were a lesbian and I'm like what and and you know that's really you know for every for every gay kid who gets harassed there are at least four straight kids who also get harassed because they may be perceived as being gay which is sort of what you're talking about you know just the perception of that yeah and for maybe any of you in the audience and so no a gsa is a gay straight alliance and most of our schools in the county have gsa's and it's so wonderful to hear that middle schools also have gsa's um I want to talk to you a little bit about sexual harassment uh because that came up in this film around you know but you know boys we saw it in the movie boystand inside pointing at the girls who were running or you know challenging each other to touch a girl touch of the girls booty that kind of thing um what what's your experience you know in in schools around sexual harassment and how does that happen in your school sexual harassment sucks everyone every student is entitled to their title nine rights our district is not following title nine rights right now so they're a little bit under the eye like a little bit hot with um feminist club in particular we're uh um I mean I'm upset that we had like a sexual harassment um case that happened and like we don't have anyone to deal with title nine and we also had some in the past at SoCal but around around like all the kind of bullying I feel that sexual harassment is actually one of in like teen dating violence is one of the more uh I noticed that one the most is terrible I think that like we there's been I'm friends with people who've been sexually harassed and then their whole schedule has changed but then it was completely to like the for the guy's favor like they moved her out of all of his classes and I was just like that's not even it's it's not even okay like but um like title nine uh extends to be on sports it's to your right to have education uh without being harassed without being bullied without like feeling like you can't go to school and uh let me just gather my thoughts Jack let me talk to him. Let me ask you another question here with that so you know we saw in the film that sometimes boys feel pressured to do those kinds of things because if they don't then somebody's gonna call them gay um yeah what's it like to be a boy especially a boy in middle school and have that kind of pressure boy yeah I know hello hi boy no um so um I think and have you felt that kind of did you feel that kind of pressure I personally was more I I guess I would feel that pressure it was more I feel like I did but it's like I'm more what I reflect on my middle school problems being is trying to refrain from doing anything that was gay so that's why that's a lot of the things so I guess that would be one of the things they're just trying to be like I would tend to be friends with a lot of girls and so like this one girl said she liked me in seventh grade and I was like oh my god this is the best day of my life so so that was like I can finally live my life now so but then I figured out then she was like sorry I'm in love with someone else I'm like it's cool we had something special so whatever so I mean there is this like an aspect of like and you're kind of supposed to like have like like relationships or like types of things I just always I guess this is gonna sound like super momma boyish but I like to me for a reason just like I love my mom a lot and like my mom and I are the same people and I just I look at her and I just the thing is is just like I don't know why I connect these two things but I would never this is like weird I don't know if this is supposed to be like this or normal or whatever but I would never treat a girl as I would like treat any different I would treat her as if in my mom in a sense the same respect level that's nice okay so I would say that thank you Jackson and I was like oh thank you and your mom is very proud of you I'm sure yeah so that's just my thing yeah and you know for for some of the girls on the panel you know for guys who think that maybe doing that is cool and that you like it I mean what like how do you talk to them about that there is actually one instance where we were having a gender discussion in our class and this kid he's he called someone a pussy while we were having a gender discussion are you kidding me I guess nobody really said anything at first because like should we say anything should we not what does that mean why why is it so bad why doesn't be crazy yeah and I don't know people didn't nobody really had an initial reaction so people weren't sure if they should just kind of go with it or people should say something so I guess they wanted to conform with some kind of group but they couldn't so I kind of spoke up but I kind of just battled something because I really wanted to just punch him in the mouth and and did your teacher help you with that to speak up or address it yeah I'm sure she she probably she tried somewhere she tried I think that like I think she did have a talk with them I think that uh I love how Jackson is like well I have as much respect for like another woman as I would like my mother and then that like there's like that and then there's the complete like like the opposite sort of where there's there's like kind of a culture change with how men respect women in high high schools I feel like because it like from middle school where you're being pressured to like uh like sexually harass a girl so that you're not called like gay you're not like a homo or whatever but um then it just objectifies women and then uh you know then start like addressing women as bitches starting like you know just not really um um not addressing them as people and uh I feel that that kind of happens a lot and that um you know just kind of scary that like a lot of societal norms are demeaning to women like calling women bitches or just like how they flap their butts it's crazy they they usually also like stereotype women too like oh they're pretty but like they're dumb kind of it's like referring back to how we had discussions in our English class about gender too and like they did not they only talk about men and women they didn't talk about anything else and I think it's that they need to work on actually bringing other topics to not specifically base it off women and men and I think that's like a huge issue too so would you would you be comfortable telling your teacher that I think so yeah all right let's talk about the uh how about cyber sexism and the friend zone so the friend zone I don't know if you guys know about this friend zone it punishes women for saying no it's like uh when like you know man compliments women then uh and then she's like oh you know thank you it's like well and then they're like well you want to date me huh and she's like uh no and then they're like wow wait wait a friend zone me it's like I feel like that happens a lot in high school because it's like well high school people it's like it's not that like uh the stereotype of like oh we're just um you know women are just like catty like lead like like to lead you on but like uh maybe you want to go to the movies like uh maybe I don't know I might have plans it's not just because like we don't like that we're doing that's like we don't really know how our feelings are about to you know being teenage girl is no different in fact it's like amplified um and so like the friend zone uh takes place a lot on the internet I feel because harassment like will be like hey babe like just messaging you a lot or just uh uh being messaged by someone continuously ignoring them ignoring them and then be like you're really pretty you're like thanks but you know I think that you're kind of a creep and it's like well why do you think so you know you're just like messaging me like one in the morning like five different times you notice how I didn't reply back to you so a lot of that kind of harassment happens on the internet yeah definitely like harassment happens like on facebook and text messaging uh and then the friend zone is really crappy for like punishing women for saying no it's like well you complimented me as that supposed to just like you know strip off all my clothes I want to be with you that's not how it works you're not respecting yeah and that's like really not to say yes or no yeah that's not respecting women's like rights to say yes and no and I feel like um respecting women and their boundaries is like a really big deal in high school because sexual harassment is like all over the place it's like way bigger than we even think like because there's so much more it's not reported and and you know the kind of question about that um because I know a lot of bullying and harassment goes on that we adults don't see and it would you say that the sexual harassment is the kind of bullying or that most of us adults don't see or maybe we don't pay attention to what's your sense about that you guys um I would say maybe more like the uh just like the the friendship bullying where it's like um yeah the banter like that's kind of stuff that's not addressed that much and um I've definitely gone up to teachers and be like look I don't think that your classroom is safe and if I was a teacher and like so that student came up to me like I don't think that your classroom is safe I'd be like oh oh no I gotta do something about that but uh yeah it's definitely the friendship banter but or like the um like I said like the three kids that were like you know putting out the like oh we totally accept you we totally want to be your friend just kidding like I'm just gonna mess with you like that kind of stuff like is not really perceived by teachers so they may not even use it or if they don't want to deal with it yeah the sexual harassment stuff is uh not so much like unnoticed by teachers but it's not in like the presence of teachers yeah so um kind of talking a little bit more about about teachers and school personnel so would would you feel comfortable if if some bullying was happening would you feel comfortable reporting it to an adult on campus and and what would happen if you did that oh talking about teachers like at climate council we have teachers there at the meetings and one teacher said like he wasn't sure if he should address it if he didn't know if they were just kind of like being like being boys or like if it was real bullying but I think you should like stop it anyway I bet one of them feels uncomfortable about it yeah that's a really good point yeah yeah because sometimes you know we adults say things like well you know boys will be boys or you know it's just part of what happens in school everybody has to deal with it but you're you're talking about that it can be hurtful and it's always important for us adults to step in I feel like a lot of students actually don't know how to go about those things it's not um it's like teachers uh are welcoming like tell me you know tell me if you've seen bullying like tell somebody if you've seen bullying but really like um not a lot of people know how to get about that and like know how to address it properly yeah yeah I think school is like where you have to learn just like not only academics but social skills and I feel like for someone to go up to a teacher and talk to them I feel like that's just that's their responsibility and I think that they should be able to go and do that without feeling like they're gonna make beef with anyone I feel like they should have just I don't know I've like I've had like so many thoughts about it so it's like trying to like condense it all until like one little like box so um but yeah so I think that that's oh no I had a thought and it's gone it's way gone it's gone it's never gone sorry it was there so we have a couple minutes left and um so yeah a whole room full of adults here school people clinicians doctors all kinds of powerful people um can each one of you just say briefly what the most important thing adult can do to help bullying think about it for a second I would say like hypervigilance but I I know how exhausted everyone is all the time given you a break it can be difficult having like 120 students like a day every day can be ridiculously uh really difficult I think that um it's really important to have certain certain programs to rally with how we're talking about programs that don't work the programs that are being marketed but don't work I think we need to like have having rallies and uh gathering people all together um you know we don't it's high school we don't really talk about those touchy touchy feely things but like um I know for sure like uh GSA or feminist club sorry is started uh is planning a rally for next year um and we're addressing teen dating violence which title nine is supposed to do um and and so those are really good things um Stephanie you have something you want to let the adults know I think it would be helpful if like the teachers or counselors would try to like talk more to their students or at least so they so the students feel more comfortable speaking to them and actually going to them if there's a problem and just being able to actually talk to them and get help if they really need it great okay um my big thing is just I think well personally I'm sure that these wonderful ladies do too but when I'm at school I look up to teachers and I look up to counselors I look up to everyone that works there as like adults and I respect them and I trust them in a sense and I think that anyone that deals with kids or deals with anything like all these amazing people you guys are um give out their respect and trust to the kids and expect that they'll do the same for you I think is like the biggest one because that's what I try to do especially for the teachers and counselors and people that believe in me like I trust that they will it's like kind of like this like kind of cycle of reciprocation and I think that once you guys just like we're tall in some respect meet in the hand in the hand in a sense it's like once you kind of respect and trust someone I feel like then it's just like a good and good effect so that's my big thing there's um I'm sorry I didn't mean to have to you uh there is definitely a way where teachers and counselors don't have to be the social workers and it's all in like paying attention to people's behavior and there's really little things that you can do that will like shape people's behavior I'd say classes that have more structure that have more um you know things that you go over are classrooms that make kids feel safer classes that don't have a lot of structure that are a lot more free like there's a certain thing about them that just um is a little bit uh more chaotic but um there so sorry I'm gonna stop you for a second because we're just about out of time and as much as I know everybody wants to hear more um but I'm gonna let Carla say the last thing here okay um teachers I think um if you could be kind of open with your students or at least be available or like let your students know that you will be there for them if there is an instance of bullying or aggression and because when I was in middle school I had a bully who sat right next to me and my teacher didn't acknowledge it at all I didn't think she would care and but just having maybe one teacher or a counselor or someone there that would have changed a lot yeah I think teachers need to be kind of hard asses once in a while and really like crack down because a lot of like instances where I don't feel safe in class and like want to report like bullies or people saying stuff is times when like they're shouting these things and like this teacher needs to like you know it's just their bare minimum to like pay attention and have awareness in their classroom and to make sure that all like kids feel safe and like to really like go up to these kids and be like we don't use that language here like you know like put some discipline down on it. So I want to thank all of you Jackson, Asara, Stephanie and Carla for your thoughtfulness. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.