 Welcome to the Knuckleheads of Liberty. You know, government is also capable of engineering disaster on the local front too. And oh my gosh, as we recently saw in Texas, in Ubalde, Texas during the school shooting, what didn't the government do wrong? You know, they talk about the government's hands being the right hands for safety and everything. And this is just so unbelievable that not only did the government allow the shooter to stay in there and murder kids who are close to an hour or longer than Nipi from when there were cops on the scenes with guns, they literally stopped parents, they handcuffed and tased parents to keep them from going in to do the job that the police weren't doing. And, you know, I do have one little pushback against the common narrative out there. You know, a lot of people have been labeling these police officers as just flat-out cowards. And it's possible that there are some of that. But, you know, there is a systemic failure that a lot of people don't appreciate with government here when you have a unit that's trained to do things in a certain way. And if you don't just go off and break protocol on your own, right? I mean, if you're there and your commander's there and your commander is telling you, hey, we're waiting for something else, you know, you don't just rush off if you're part of the unit and say, you know, I'm Rambo or Superman or whatever. So, you know, this is one of those things where I think that, you know, maybe some of these police are getting an unfair brush, but certainly as a whole, the police department, they're absolutely failed and the local government, they're absolutely failed in protecting these kids. What do you guys think of this? This is just a catastrophe of, you know, unparalleled catastrophe of protecting these kids. Well, I would just like to point out to my liberal friends that they want me to give up my access to AR-15s so that these bozos can protect me. That's essentially what they want because these bozos are the ones that would only be the ones that had AR-15s if they got their way. And it's just such a slippery slope and it's already begun, you know, they're trying to ban AR, you know, the nomenclature that these nincompoops think up regarding the firearms. But wait until somebody just gets a 12 gauge pump shotgun from his dad, takes a hacksaw, saws off the lengthy barrel a little bit shorter and then goes into a school and blasts people with double-ought buckshot. You think this is bad, you know, they ain't seen nothing yet because these people are just, you know, so AR-centric, these whack jobs. But wait until somebody figures out that, hey, you know, especially if they got rid of the 20 million ARs in private hands and they actually achieved their utopia. Oh, they're not killing them with ARs. Oh, I'm so happy. Now they're killing them with 12 gauge, you know, with buckshot. And they'll really kill them dead, too, by the way. You think the AR was bad, you know, you're going to be out of the frying pan into the fire. And then what are they going to do? Oh, well, we've got to get rid of those horrible shotguns now and everything. You know, it's just a slippery slope. All this stuff is nonsense. You take away evil people exist and a lot more evil people seem to exist today than ever did when I was a kid. And so they're going to find a way, which has been done time after time throughout history, including the very first school massacre, which is done by some little one of the classmates, burned the whole class down, killed the teachers and all these kids, all bunch of them, except he's the only survivor. And he did it with fire. And that's happened throughout the world. They kill mass amounts of people just with fire and bombs. And then there's trucks. You know, I mean, what better way to do it if you want to kill a bunch of people and use a bomb. And then, you know, they take trucks, they're still doing it just the other weekend. Memorial Day weekend. They mowed down some people and killed them with cars. So, you know, where there's an evil will, there's an evil way and all these liberals are so myopic. I've never seen such myopia in my life. They just focus on the implement. Tinker's dam, which by the way is a dam that's very worthless made by a tin working person called a tinker. And the tinker's dam was used to dam the molten silver solder that they were using. Okay, then you throw it away. So it's not worth the tinker's dam. It's spelled D-A-M, like the dam of a water, dam's water, not a D-A-M-M, like dammed to hell or such and such. Okay, just a little English side lesson there for you, nincompoops. Anyway, hopefully nincompoops don't listen to our show. Yeah, well, you know, normally I am pro-police, okay? I think I've said that on the show many times. Whenever there's misconduct, I do want the police officer prosecuted, but I'm normally in general pro-law enforcement. But this particular incident, Jason, was a catastrophe. This is why I'm going to disagree with even your pushback. I really am going to disagree with it. Because you said they had to follow protocol and blah, blah, blah and all that kind of stuff. And that's fine. That's true. Okay, you're right. You must have command and control when you have law enforcement and the military. You must have those things. However, police officers are trained to act in cases of emergency. And you cannot tell me that a kid with a gun inside a school where there are little kids in the air, that is not an emergency. Then there's nothing as an emergency. Those police officers had a duty to act. They might have to risk their life. I would grant you that, but that's what we pay them for. I don't want to be cruel. I don't want to be crude. I don't want to be without a hat, but they are paid to take risk on the road or at a school. So these people fail at every level, at every damn level. And I hope some of them are prosecuted for it. Because I think more kids died in that thing than they had to. Okay, because if these police officers act, even with the risk of their life, I sure probably could have saved some of the kids. It would not have saved all of them, but it could have saved some of those kids. So this is a catastrophe. And I hope some of these police officers are prosecuted for their misconduct in this particular thing. They're dereliction of duty. Dereliction of duty. Thank you. Well, I am so. So, I mean, you know, what's what's the police officer got to lose? You know, if he goes in there and actually, you know, disobeyed his commanding officer. Hey, you stay back here. Fuck you. I'm going. Okay, that's being stricken from the record. And I'm going in. I don't care what you say. I mean, you know, what's what are they going to do with him afterwards? They're going to prosecute him. Look, these guys for doing nothing and killing kids are not going to get not touched in the least. They won't even lose their job. They won't even be. They won't have so much as a $10 fine. They will get away scot-free. Maybe you're right. I hate to say it, but I am going to be right. Well, somebody's head may roll at the top, but I seriously doubt anybody's head will roll near the bottom. But you know, this is the problem though, right? I mean, once you have, I think a lot of people that they see, you know, government protecting them is somehow personal. The problem is it's extraordinarily impersonal. And, you know, you have a complex multiple units starting to come together to react to a situation. Maybe those first cops should have gone in and done something about it. But once management gets on the scene, I mean, oh my God, at that point of management is given the wrong signal. And if they're trying to coordinate between three or four different agencies and other things, now suddenly it's all these chefs trying to work the soup, right? And so even if you wanted to go in as a cop, you don't know if you're going into somebody else's line of fire, maybe, or some other part of the operation. Because it's not like you necessarily as an individual cop know all of the pieces that are moving around you, you know? So you've got to take, you know, your management's direction to some degree that, you know, like, you don't know if somebody's setting up something else to come in the other side of that room or anything else. So I just think. Well, I don't know about that, okay? I really don't know about that because, you know, there was this very good nice video about his police officer during the terrorist attack in San Bernardino a couple of years ago. He, he walked into that. He's gone in hand. He walked into that. He told some woman, I think it's time for that. I'm going to go in there and I will take the bullet before you. He did that on his own. I don't see why any police officer knowing the emergency situation here. Why he had to wait? I can't see it. I can't. Greg Elefritz is a police officer and trainer, firearms trainer. It's been a long time police officer, SWAT guy and all this. And he, he writes a blog that I read a lot of his stuff. And very much respect him. And he's a really good trainer and he trains civilians and everybody. And I'd love to take a shotgun course from him. But he, he said for these active shooter things, time is of the essence and police officers have to be trained to respond fast. You've got to get in and engage them. Yeah, you may get shot. You may get shot at whatever. But the time is of the essence. You cannot linger a split second. You've got, you're there on scene. You hear the sound of the gunfire. You've got to go in. You've got to start. You've got to act. You've got to, you may, you may make some mistakes, but at least you acted and you have to act. You know, none of this, you know, this is the problem that we have in today's mentality. It's all top down central planet. Okay. We've got to have the big picture. We can't have the, you know, except, you know, the Navy SEALs, they're giving latitude. Okay. You know, that's great. And a lot of these forward units have latitude to do things, you know, that whatever they think is necessary. Okay. That's good. I don't know where that came from. But most of the rest of us are all top down central planners. That's all we want to be. Oh, I want to be told. Okay. You go here. Oh, you go over there. Okay. And then you converge and you don't come at that angle. You've got to come at this angle. That's nonsense. You've got to go. Well, certainly the first couple of officers on the scene, that's what should have happened. The problem is, once you get a whole structure around you, then at that point, I mean, literally, if you had a military that behaved that way, you'd lose every war. You never win a war because everybody would be operating out of that. Yeah, it's not a war though. It's not a war. It's not a coordinated movement of men. It's not a that. It's chaos. It's chaotic. And you know, the shooter is partly, he's got some plan, but, you know, I mean, of course, you know, he's got all the advantage, but his part of his whole deal is chaotic too. You know, just didn't know what he's doing. I can't see any defense of the actions of the police officer in this case, okay, where the police officers, as you say, we're having to wait on management or management form destructing. Remember we talked on the show about this girl who was going to stab this other girl. And I think it was in Cleveland or something like that. And so the police officer, he didn't wait for management to tell him, well, maybe he should think about it before he shoot or whatever. He shot the gun. But Leon, that was a completely different situation. That police officer was there by himself dealing with the situation. He wasn't there with a whole chain of command around him. In that case, it's not up to him just to decide what to do, right? I mean, there's a structure at that point. I have a sneaky suspicion that there was people there before the chain of command arrived because they were waiting on the chain of command. Oh, there was. And those are the people who should have done something, right? I mean, they were supposed to have training. Apparently the training was worthless. We will never know for sure, Jason, on this, okay, and we could never settle our discussion here. But I will be willing to bet and probably God will have to tell us one day. I'll be willing to bet. Probably about nine kids died unnecessarily in that incident. Even 19 kids end up dying. I bet about nine of them, at least nine of them died unnecessarily. Oh, no question. It was unnecessary. I'm just saying, as far as who you're going to blame, I mean, are you going to blame every individual cop who was there who was listening to their chain of command, or are you going to say it's the chain of command's fault? I mean, clearly it's the chain of command's fault for certain. But certainly some of those first officers probably had training that said they're supposed to go in and deal with that situation right when they get there. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness always and forever.