 I told my older son this, I speak to him differently to the other two, because he's a bit older. I talked to him about this stuff, not because money is the reason, but money gives you choices. Like, I'm not a finance guy, I'm not loaded or anything like that, but you know enough to know that if you have plenty of money, you can just enjoy life a little bit more. I'm not saying it's the fix for your problems, but if you don't have to worry about it, There's a lot of poor people taking work for granted, just having a job, I've been jobless before, it fucking sucks, but I refused to go to selling, so I didn't go, but there's a lot of poor people who can't afford normal shit, shit that we take for granted, and I'm just like, my son's worried about Jordan's, I know you like sneakers, but that's what he's in his head, I'm like, mate, you can't afford sneakers, but you can afford shoes, but you can't afford things that matter. It's not going to help you in the long run. He thinks about it and stuff, and I just put little seeds, I guess, as opposed to just trying to drill into him, and you do that a few times over the years and they kind of get an idea of themselves. Welcome to The Savo Show. We have a guest on who is my oldest friend since I moved here to Australia from the Soviet Union. His name is Josh Hamilton. He is of the native kind, the Aboriginal kind, the OG kind. As you can tell. And yeah, I've grew up on, living on the streets in Padbury, he lived around the corner, and we'd always go to each other's houses, we both had pools, so that was cool. That's right. I had the Sony PlayStation, he had the extra... 64. He had the 64, and then he had the siblings and the trampoline. Oh, Tim and his injuries. And yeah, the van won't go down to Neil Hawkins to feed the birds. Oh, the Tarago, the creamy... Tarago, and then yeah, he had your older sister Chiara, he had a younger brother Tim, and then you had Sally and Blake, your twins who are all adults now as well. It's actually pretty crazy, yeah. Last time I saw them, they were, I think, still in diapers. It would be like that, yeah, actually, because they're eight years younger than us. As we went to Cal Gully, and then where your cousins were from, I remember, and then you guys went up to Geraldton for a bit. Yeah, Mum got a work transfer up there for the Department of Justice, so we just went along the way, and the rest is history. Did some years up there, and then we had a football carnival, I can't even remember what it was called. Yeah, the Goldfields Football Carnival or something like that. In Cal Gully, and I remember you coming up to me after a match, or I was just waiting, and you're just like, Josh, I'm like, what? Like, couldn't remember, and yeah, got to talking, and then it's just crazy how you can keep in touch with people. Now you're all tatted up, big boy, going on the, going on the bulk. Are you natty? No, I don't care what anyone says. I'm not out to impress anyone. Well, mate, I'm fucking impressed. Oh, yeah, like, don't get me wrong. I'm impressed, bro. It's cool. There's nothing to hide. Like, every man, his dog's been doing it since before I did it. Yeah. Not into drugs that much, so... That much? Well, you know, like, I didn't really drink much going on. Yeah, yeah. Or really. And that's my little thing that I like to do. Yeah. Fair enough. Fair enough. In line, I don't drink alcohol pretty much ever. So it's the one last thing I have to worry about. Yeah, that's it. I mean, the alcohol, it's there. It's always there. People are drinking less these days. You think so? Yeah. They're saying that the Gen Z, Gen Z is... Yeah, they're not consuming as much alcohol as we did growing up. Well, that's probably not a bad thing. No, it's a great thing. It doesn't help with a lot of decisions. It doesn't. Especially if you're hooking up. Oh, my, I haven't done that in a long time. So you've got three boys? I do, actually, yes. They're three sons. Aldous is turning 12 this year. Wow. Yeah. So it's kind of weird. Yeah. I'm only 32 this year, so I started young, but it's probably the best thing that's ever happened to me. Yeah. So you had your first kid when you were 20. What was that like? Well, I was looking back at it now. It just kind of happened and didn't really question it. We ended up getting married at the time. Well, we were married. And I just thought that's what you do. You just get married, you have kids, and you do the family life. And I guess because I didn't really drink much anyway, even back then, I think I went four years without drinking. So I didn't drink for a while. It wasn't like I felt like I missed out on too much. And because of that, it wasn't that bad, but it was a bit rocky along the way, and things changed. So now that you've got your life with the kids, but your new relationship, how's that kind of unfolded for you over the last couple of years? Because I know we've been chatting every now and then about your previous life. Oh. You know, your kids carry that life over, but your relationship with your kids is a huge deal. Yeah, so my current partner is, we met by chance, a mutual friend of ours, someone I used to live with, actually. So that was quite cool. It wasn't like 310 or anything like that. I know, yeah. It's fine? It's fine. It's still fine. But it wasn't like some, it wasn't like I was just looking for a bit of fun. Yeah. And I just happened to go with that. It was just quite mutual and honest, really. Yeah. But she's awesome. She's very, very family orientated, which I'm very surprised about. She's a bit younger than me, so I didn't think that would be such a thing. Yeah. She's got a few, like an niece and nephew herself, so she's all about that kind of family life. And I was a bit hesitant. I didn't think I'd really, because I've been married and divorced, I didn't think I'd really be that interested in a relationship again, and let alone contemplating anything else that follows that. Yeah. So how long after you decided that and you met this lovely woman? So... Oh, you started dating her anyway? So I left my ex-wife in 2019. Yeah. I think the start of August, so that kind of time of the year. And then I've been dating, or I've been with my partner for two years this month. And I just went through a phase where I went overseas, like quite early on after leaving, and just cleared my head a bit. It wasn't like a party thing, time to myself. And then just kind of floated around doing some shut-down work. Not really interested in girls a whole lot, like you'd be on Tinder and stuff like that, like didn't feel meaningful. You know, like I've been married with my kids for like eight years. Stuff like that isn't that appealing. Yeah. Not really. And yeah, I just kind of floated around for a long time, and then just happened to meet my partner, just by chance from seeing a photo that my friend posted. Yeah. And I just had to ask. You single? Oh, I'm 100% taken. Oh, sure. I know. I made her wait, actually. She will not. Oh, she's going to kill me. So what's your risk? How did you risk her? I had made her wait. Oh. So I don't know. It was like seven o'clock, her birthday, two years ago in January. My friend, I was living with her. She posted up a photo. I was out at work on site, and I just messaged my friend Emily, and I was like, who's that? And she's like, I knew you would say something. She's like, I showed you a photo of her, you to her, and she's like, oh my God, he's so my type kind of thing. She followed me like, I don't know, 10 minutes later, whatever. I didn't say a thing to her the next day. Just, oh yeah, good night. Didn't follow her back. Didn't like nothing. That's it. Next day, start talking, rest his history. So she will deny that forever. She'll try to make up something. Well, you weren't needy, you know? You were doing your thing, you were chill. Well, you just learn over time that you don't need people. Yeah, I guess. But it's a bit of a game, courting people, even if you don't know where it'll go. It's still a game. It's competition, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. So if you're just doing what everyone else is doing, you've got to stand out a little bit. You've got to stand out. Yeah, I've been, I remember growing up and, you know, with my height, getting taller and taller, everyone was like, you're so tall, all this shit. And I'm like, yeah, cool, whatever. And then back in the club days, the peak club days of the early 2010s, the girls would come up and go, you're so tall. And I was like, yeah, and what? Years later, I was like, that was easy icebreaker for me and I never utilized it. You'd have the best view in the club though, wouldn't you? Nowadays, I look for like, who's, oh, you think I'm tall? Awesome. What's the, you ever hooked up with someone as tall as me? And then they would, I've done this once, it worked. And then they'd be like, no, I haven't. You're like, do you want to make a personal best tonight? But like, you don't, I'll go out to these clubs right now to work, to do my TikTok shit. That's cool, yeah. And I was out on Saturday night, working with a client, and the guys had come up early, early 20s, something. Sev, love your TikToks, all this shit. And we'd have a chat. I'm like, so what's happening tonight? Like, are you here to talk to girls? What are you up to? Most of them, most of them, majority of them say, nah, we're just here with the boys. Oh, I don't know. I don't feel like I'm that... Or lacking confidence. Yeah, they don't have confidence. I mean, if your aim is to go out in a club, have a good time with the boys, and whatever happens, happens. That's chill, that's cool. But when I ask the girls, they're like, oh, normally guys come up to me. I'm like, well, what would you do in return? And there's no game. Understanding of the game is dead. But see, like, we're talking like early 20s. I would say that. I was king of friends owning myself, right? Like, I don't mind, like, whatever. You learn heaps of things along the way, and you understand it. I'm happy where I am now, who I am. Yeah, like... You evolve. It's probably a good thing, really. I'd probably just get myself in a bit of trouble. Yeah, yeah. But I remember some of the pickup lines you've shown us. Yeah. The rain one? The rain one? Yeah. Yeah, the weather one. Yes. The weather one was good. We can't not say it. Okay, so... You know it off my heart? The weather one. Yep, so Tinder, you'd match with someone, and you'd start to go... Oh, this is a trade secret. You'd go back and forth a little bit, but then I'd play a game with, if I can do it instantly, just to really get Tinder out of it. But yeah, I ended up getting 10 phone numbers after sending them the first message. That's a pretty good... It's a good stat. And the message was, it feels like... Degrees outside. It feels like your phone number degrades outside right now. And if it was cold, you'd say, it feels like it's negative your phone number outside. And the best thing was, it put the ball in their court. Because normally they're used to... And this is what I mean about standing out. They're used to, you know, back and forth, the sleazy, something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm like, here's my phone number. Your call. Well, that's funny, because she gave me her phone number without even even asking. See, did it to you. She risked you up. I thought she was playing jokes with me. Yeah. Because she said, oh, I've got poor reception here. Yeah, yeah, who has that? Yeah. And I was like, at her house, she's like, hang on, I think... I think she said, let me go drive down to my sister's in Rockingham. I've got better reception there. And she did. She bloody did, right? She actually did it? Yeah. Oh, wow. And I was like, waiting and waiting, I think, and I'm like, what the fuck's going on? And she said, oh, hey, I've got reception now. She texted me. And I thought she was full of shit. We're like... The house that she lived in was terrible reception. Man, all these new houses with the Chen Ru. That was in, like, Koma, I believe. Yeah. Yeah, so, like, it's a really good area. I mean, you don't have to drive down to Rockingham. You can just walk down the street. She wanted to talk to me. Jesus. She wanted to go to, like, a cafe or something. Yeah, well, that, yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. I reckon that would be a good piece of content, though. Like, I would be the hitch at the club and help the boys. You could definitely do that. I reckon that would work. You see videos of that and sometimes you think, maybe that's a bit set up, but I don't think it would be that hard. No, I reckon it would be good. Maybe it keeps the guys, like, just... Just give them a bit of confidence and go, hey, man, go up to her and say this and see what happens. And, you know, best feeling. And it's happened before. Best feeling is when you get that assist. Like, whether it's a phone number or something further down the line, you know, they get to the championship and they win because of you. I'm getting a ring, baby. Yeah. She wants a ring. No, so that's a business proposition. It is a business proposition. All those, like, really fake guru guys that try and convince young kids and tell them how to hit on women. Don't teach people how to hit on women. Teach guys how to wingman. That's right. Wingman. Yeah, that's true. You just give your man a bit of hype and he'll be right. Yeah. But, like, I've got another theory with the girls. And this is back when, back in my day, early 20s, girls our age, who would they go for? Old girls. Right. Why? Experience. Oh, mate. And not experience, not experience, like, sexually. I'm not going to brag, no. That too. No, no, no. That too. But, like, they were also... the guy would be well established. They know what they want. Yeah. When it comes to, like, actual sexual polarity in the sexual marketplace, older men stand out. But women, like, get attracted by what they see. So if they're not seeing older men, like, and they just go in the club, they're just going to say young dudes and young dudes don't know what they're doing, but they think they're doing it because they're all cocky. But really, they don't. No. But all the guys know what they're doing. Well, that's what I mean. Like, you're not ready yet? Young blood? You need to... Because there's no, like, talk of competition, there's no talk of any of that shit, and any kind of competition is, like, pushed aside and shunned, especially, like, between other men. People think it's, like, bad and toxic, but no one knows that, and then they're wondering why they're not picking up chicks or they're behaving a certain way. Yeah, they don't know that. Because all their older mates are, but this guy might just be wearing flashy clothes and pulling girls because he knows he's got flashy clothes. Yeah. But it's not how you get the girls, it's how you keep her. Yeah. If you just want to hook up, I hate seeing the real shit-haircuts get girls, though. Mate, mate, oh. We've got the same barber, so, you know. Salim. There's a plug for Salim. Oh, mate. His podcast is probably sponsored by Salim. Don't book it all the way. Once every three weeks, I want to book a spot, so not too much content customers. Yeah, nah, he... But, like, yeah, I've seen this haircut on the weekend, and I put a TikTok about it, and this is kid. He would have been 18, 19 years old. Nice as kid, but he's got a ball cut at the front that's faded in, and then at the back is a mullet. Oh, that one. Oh, that's a classic skunk looking head-to-head. I'm not sure I would have rocked at one point, thought I was the best in the world. Yeah. And then I was talking to one of the managers at the bar, and I was like, what's the difference between now club life versus the club life 10 years ago? Because he used to work with her. And she goes, yeah, the guys that are less attractive are getting the better-looking women. Yeah, that's weird stuff. Interesting. But wouldn't you say less attractive? What do you mean? Because that's a very particular thing. Yeah, I mean, physically attractive, but also, and I get it, subjective, but... Traditionally attractive. Yeah, traditionally attractive. Yeah, just like strong jawline, big shoulders, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's one girl I interviewed, and I didn't record this because she didn't want to record it, but I was just giving her, like, a post-Riz interview, because I noticed one of the guys... That's just Riz. Riz is, like, trying to pick someone up, like, trying to flirt with them. Oh, yeah. So that's the new lingo, Riz? Oh, my miss is always... How do you flirt with a chick? I'm not cultured in the 20s. Yeah, so Riz is, how do you flirt with a chick? You pick up girls. How do you Riz? Yeah, okay. So this guy Riz'd, he failed, and I went up to her after. I was like, give us the breakdown. What did he do? Well, so you asked her critique of his pick up guy. Yeah! Get marketing research, bro. This is so good. This is so good. So she goes... He wasn't confident. He was talking about himself too much, and, yeah, just didn't seem interesting. But then she also mentioned the appearance. He was shorter than her, he was shorter than her, and skinnier than her. Wow, that should never happen. Rather that she's eating too much, or he's just got to sort himself out. Go do some weights. That should just never happen. And that doesn't make sense. No. How is he going to protect her? Like, she's going to be the man, and she's going to end up not being a man. Yeah, and that's like a cultural thing too. Oh, yeah, that's my very biased opinion. There's a lot of work people that will shit on you for that. Oh, mate, I'd love to have the conversation with you. Come at me, bro. Oh, no, just like... But I asked her. It makes no sense. I asked her, I said to her, what do you look for? What's your ideal candidate? Oh, yeah. And she gave me the triple T. Oh. Tall, thick, and tattooed. Oh, tattoos are... That's not... I mean, I've got them. I love tattoos. Your whole head is fucking tattooed. I've been considering getting more, trust me. Yeah. I think it's probably not a good idea just yet. Oh, well, why not? You're wifed up again, so why not? Pretty much. No, I don't know. There's other things to worry about, really, and tattoos don't really add anything to value, except for peel and like... Oh, man. It looks cool. Yeah. I reckon it looks cool. This one done eventually. Yeah. Yeah. Just a whole bunch of dicks. Surely not. No. No. No, it's going to get the whole heritage sort of, like, where I'm from. I'm not going to have all, like, the Soviet fucking propaganda on there, but, like, from the mountains of Russia. Yeah. That's cool. But it's not going to be, like, that wanky mountain sort of... You could just have, like, one of your photos of you in the mountain. Because you've... You've got to go to sleep. Well, it's just, like, it's your adventure, isn't it? Yeah, it is. Yeah. I don't know about having myself big stevo on the back. Oh, yeah. He's done that, eh? Yeah. But, yeah, thick, tattooed and tall, the triple T. And I went on a rampage and asked a couple of girls. I was like, what do you look for in a guy? And before you answer, are these three things very appealing to you? Thick, tall and tattooed? And they're like, yeah, absolutely. So that's the new norm. But see, like, you can't help being tall unless you want to, like, wear big shoes, isn't it? No, but, like, that's something you can't do. You can't help having a big dick or a small dick. You can't. You can try, but you're just, that's sad. Yeah. But, like, you just got to deal with it, right? And then, like, thick, you can get thicker. Fuck you, you can get thicker. Look at my neck. No, but, um... Do you do weights with your neck? No, I actually went to the car the other day and I found out, I think this is why my neck is like the way it is. Because I've, you know, back problems, like everyone does after 30. But so, like, I was like, oh, yeah, go get it checked out. I got, like, halfway down my spine and my shoulder blades just, like, a bit of a wonk. And I've got, like, a hunchback. Oh, yeah. So, like, my mother or my... I can't remember which one. My mother or my dad does. And all of my siblings have a hunchback. Oh, wow. And I, until I went to the car, this is only, like, two, three weeks ago, I just thought, like, oh, the only reason I don't have it is because I, like, train and my posture's better because the muscles are pulled back. Well, turns out I've still got it. So, I have a tendency to, like, look down and it's not because I'm not confident, but, like, I now know why. Actually, I, like, I want to look down a lot. Yeah. So, like, maybe my neck's just, like, a bit fucked up. Fucking, I apologise if you can hear that. Hopefully the mics don't pick it up, but some dickheads just started vacuuming, but, you know, whatever. Does that happen much? No, I've never heard that before. Yeah, right. That's fun. Can you hear that? Does that extra... Do you know what goes on, like, as far as other people in the building? It's hard to tell whether it's actually in my headphones or not. Yeah. No, that's right. Hopefully it doesn't pick up. Sorry, guys, if you can hear a vacuuming. Old mates fucking. If it comes out the door, it'll be funny. All right! Do you reckon they're outside? Ryan, do you reckon you can quickly tell them the... Yeah, I'll pick. Yeah, we're doing a bit of records. We'll continue to combo. Yeah. We're going to actually investigate. Is it just out there? Yeah. That's like, Elliot Holston's old strength camp when he's doing it out of his garage and have, like, a big van or bus just, like... There's like a little robot... Ryan's coming out. MVP. MVP. MVP vibes. All right, tell us the story, Ryan. What was she doing? She's just tidying up the communal spaces like a good tenant. Yeah, I've never done that before. And I used my hospitality voice and we achieved silence. Thank you. If only the air conditioning could be quieter. I need that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, man. It's so warm. It's going to be finally getting cooler. But yeah, neck vibes. Do you feel good? Do you move well now or...? Yes or no? Have you bad days? I used to play a lot of footy and I'm born with busted ass hips. I've got photos when I was a kid. Sister was the same. But I neglected a lot of stretching and rehab and recovery when I was playing footy and I played most of my life. And I guess that old habit of not really taking care of yourself. Training itself is good performance-wise. Yep. And all those kind of things. But when it comes to... Yeah, so as you get older, things don't go away as quickly. They hurt more. They affect more. So now I've become far more reactive but proactive now in... Yeah, very important. Recovery. But I haven't squat much lately because my back's a bit... Yeah, I'm down to 60, man. What's that, sorry? 60 kilos. What do you mean? Squat. What do you mean down to 60? Like, I used to squat easy over 100 for reps. Really? Yeah. What's going on there? My back, man. My lower back's like, how are ya? You know? All these cars probably gonna hit me up soon. Sevo, come to me. There's no color. Well, I'm kind of looking for a good one because... Well, I haven't... I've had one girl, her name's Kim. Yeah. Great chick. And she did some stuff and obviously I don't see a car at the moment. Yeah. But I've never really fully believed it. My Mrs is a bit skeptical too. Yeah. Physio? Always fucking work. I'm skeptical of those too. Yeah. Just because of similar kind of things happened. So usually when I've been to a physio, they just kind of like oh, yeah. And maybe I just don't understand what they're actually supposed to be doing for you. Yeah. But they'll just have a yarn with you about what's going on with your body. Like, oh, yeah, they'll look at you. But oh, yeah. And then they'll just give me like five exercises to go and do and see you later. Maybe come back twice a week. Yeah. But I've seen... That's kind of what I've had most of the time I've been to a physio. So I'm just like, is that it? So throughout my footy career, I had one consistent physio that I found. It was all time. And he was the only one that was unorthodox. He was out of the ordinary. Out of the fucking, like he would do weird shit. I'd come to him with like a shoulder, like a tight neck shoulder thing. He'd massage my calf and it'd be gone. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I had turf foot or whatever it's called. Like just, it just wouldn't flex or extend. What's that? Well, like really stiff. Just stiff. I've got that. Tefto. Tefto, yeah. Maybe. Yeah, turf toe. It's the worst, man, because you can't walk, because you can't flex it, because it just hurts. It feels like it's just frozen. Yeah, right. And he massaged my fucking shoulder and it fixed it. That's weird. Your body's crazy. Yeah. But talk about the posterior chain. It starts from here. It goes all the way back behind into the bottom of your front hip. Well, are you pinning a gland there or are you pinning it? Something like that. Third eye thing. But like the, yeah, the headaches, the headaches actually, I haven't had a headache in years. I don't remember the last time I had a headache. I don't get sick. I don't get sick. I don't get headaches. I don't even know what a migraine feels like. Everyone's like, oh, I've got a migraine today. I was like, the fuck's a migraine? I know people who stock pan at all in their cupboards and pop my lens. I haven't had a pill. The moment they, oh, my God, I'm sick. Yeah. I haven't had a pill. There's some bullshit coming. One night, I was given dexanthetamine and I was like, you know what? I'm going to give it a go and see what it does. And I was awake for a fucking ages. I was like, cool. I can see why people take this recreation there as well. But other than that, I haven't had a panadol. I haven't had anything else. I don't remember the last time I took cough medicine. Oh, I don't even have that shit in my cupboard either. No. I don't have a medicine cupboard. We do. We have a small select thing, but I've got kids. Yeah. I don't do it anyway, but I'm saying, you know, Stingos and Band-Aids and Neurofin and so on. But like the only time I get headaches is just when I haven't drank a lot of water. Yeah. I sweat a lot, which is really uncomfortable. Shout for it. I think, yeah, I think actually the only time I have had something was when my dehydration glands are tingling. So at work, right? Speaking of. So we can work in, like a lot of other FIFO places, pretty crazy heat conditions. Yeah. Well, we don't really stop, but sometimes I say the client wants us to. We can. But like, you know, hot days, we work hard. Yeah. The work we do is pretty hard. And yeah, in hot days, and I'm a sweaty kind of person anyway, like one good day of not drinking much water, I just, I need something to stop, but that's only lack of water. Yeah. I mean, being from Keguli, being from that climate. Yeah. Well, that's one of the fun. Like I should drink more water. And because I don't, you know, I'm prone to more dehydration, not just my head, but the rest of the muscles. And you know, there's a whole bunch of shit that comes with that. I get mad cramps. Yeah. Cramps come. Unbelievable. Yeah. My back's been poked for the last kind of week. So like even sitting here, I'm like fidgeting because I'm like trying to. Cramping? No, lower. My lumbar is. Why do you just get like a recliner chair? You can kick back version two. Studio version two. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Version two. Big glamour. Yeah. Just kind of a cute little cushion for you. Yeah. Just put your feet up. I've got one in the car, actually. A heat pack. Yeah. But yeah. From my years of footy, I was doing foam rolling and all this shit. And that's helped me prolong my career. But then 2017, I just kept getting like traumatic injuries. Nothing to do with soft tissue. Just fucking like. Oh yeah, right. Like foams getting tackled. Yeah. Or someone fell on my ankle. Something like not like. Yeah. Someone fell on my ankle because their studs didn't grip to the floor. And I tried to jump over them like a hurdle. Yeah. Because they had the ball. They tried to step me and then they fucking fell over. That's what you get. And then, yeah, I thought I just sprayed my ankle, but it was a complete. Fuck. Is that how it happened? Yeah. I had a whole reconstruction. Yeah, right. Jesus. Can you see the scar? Fuck. I got a nice one there. Can you see the scar? Yeah. It's pretty good. Can you see that? Is that good? Yeah. That was it. That was my last footy game for the waffle. And then I got roped into playing amateur footy in 2018 for Wannaroo. Yeah. I hated it. I hated every single second of it because I was just too stressed about injury and. That's why I stopped playing. Yeah. I stopped at 27. I think 28. It's been four years since I kicked the footy. And some of my mates are still playing. They won the grand final last year for West Perth. That's impressive that they can do that. I remember they would ask me, say, have you come out tonight after a game? After the game. After the game? After the game? Your age still? No, no, no. This was back then. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, did you get hit by the same size dude as you a hundred times today? But the Ruckman positions like so underrated. Tough on the body. It's like an MMA fucking. The fucking stud to the hip. To the toe. Look at the black toe, dude. That's permanent. I'm not showing you my feet. My feet are a bit messed up. No, I can't put it on there because I already showed my foot. You have the sense of it. Someone's going to screenshot it and sell it on somewhere. Ryan's probably going to do it. He's already done it. It's already online. Yeah. Seb's big scarred foot. Seb's fans. Seb's fans. Yeah. Seb's feet fans. Foot fetish. Yeah. That's fucked as well. You see those things. The people that are selling their feet pics. No, I haven't. I just don't believe it. Like I've seen ads for it. I'm like surely not. There's definitely there's definitely fetishes out there and stuff like that. I've got a unique library of feet pics. Why? Because I'm a wedding photographer. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, you would. So the classic shot of the girl of the bride putting her her shoes on. So edit out all her bunions. No. No, that's their problem. No, but like they're like premium quality photos. And I'm like fuck, I've got hundreds of these. Maybe I should wait a couple years and then just like not put a face to the to the foot. Yeah. To the toe. To the toe. And then just sell them going this is the bride. And just like You could do something with that like a collage or collage? Yeah. A whole gallery. A whole exhibition. A whole exhibition. Man. So you do you still do photography wedding stuff? Yeah. So I've got one more year. This is my last year of doing it. Well, you're just going to count it completely. Yeah. Someone else my mentor said to me you should keep doing this business. You shouldn't fully abandon it. But I don't want you to take their photo. Yeah, but I don't want to commit myself to a date in the year where there's something else that I'd prefer having more fun doing this or this or other things like consulting. So you actually enjoy that. Like I know you're like, yeah, obviously good at it. Like do you enjoy it? Yeah, so white collar work. Okay. Kind of. But like if you think about it I would rather help other people's businesses than my own. Yeah. That's like it's more serving someone and you get more out of it. It's more interesting. Long run anyway. Well, I've done it with my wedding photography. I could literally go to two even 300k a year. Well, just waiting for stuff. Just waiting for stuff. Build a team and all that shit. But I don't want to do it. I was a personal trainer. I had the same problem then. It's a good problem to have. Yeah. I had my studio inside my house and then because I moved out of the gym because the overheads was shit. Yeah. I remember the gym owner back then. I had one good month and he increased the rent. Well, I don't know. Yeah. And then the month after I went back down and he kept the rent and I'm like, I'm in debt. I was three grand in debt and you know what he told me? He goes, you should sell your car. Pay the debt off. Jesus. And I'm like, yeah, but I still be the fucking same spot. So I moved out. That's mad. I moved out and he goes, don't take, you can't take the clients with you. I was like, what are you going to do about? How could he stop that? He was chasing debt. He was chasing my debt. And Jesus. And I was, he was, he was intimidating because he was, yeah, army background and he was doing like this private security work every fucking couple of weeks. He'd fly out to Saudi Arabia or some shit and take care of some. Who's this? The gym owner. Yeah. He's not pulling your leg. No, no, like legit stuff. Maybe he was pulling my leg but he was pretty fucking like I can't mention his name, but he was, he was a hard ass and that just reminded me of something. But everybody pulled out of that gym. Eventually they were like, no fuck this. All your clients or just people? No, just the workers. Oh yeah. So when I moved out, I remember when I had the gym in the studio, we set up all the mirrors. We had the nice foam mats. I've got a like six squat rack and it was like multi-purpose. You can squat on it or bench on it and we got the TRX on it and we went to the one-stop shop and I started collecting like dumbbells. I had a whole dumbbell rack. That shit's expensive though. Yeah, dude, it was fucked. Even like as a as a business person, it's lost a bit of money. Yeah, but it was, there's a gym gym equipment shop in Jundalup that I got like a loan for. Yeah. So then I paid it off gradually. Oh, that's a real deal. And then at the peak of my business, it was like 2015. Without the PT stuff? Yeah. And I was getting 50 sessions a week. Geez, that's heat. I was clearing two and a half grand per week as a full-time uni student. Fuck, that's alright. That was great. But then I was like, alright, how do I expand it? So I had no fucking clue. Yeah. And the obvious answer was to get a bigger space, get some PT's under me to service some of my clients and then I'd take a cut. I didn't want to fucking do it. Why? I didn't want to manage people. Yeah. I'd time-manage myself sometimes. Exactly. Well, like, right now I'm learning how to do it because I've found something consulting and also You can't have no choice. Helping. No, I do have a choice. I always have a choice. No, like, because you're expanding, right? Yeah, yeah. Well, I want to expand this time. Yeah, yeah. Although I didn't want to expand last time. Same with the wedding photography. I don't want to expand. But you could always go back to the... Exactly. Like, it's not like it's going anywhere. I'll just do a couple bookings. Yeah, but... Is it that easy or...? So weddings are different because they don't get booked last minute. I can't just go, alright, I'm ready for weddings and get a wedding. So that's the whole commitment thing. Yeah, okay. So you get a 50% deposit, which is great. But then you have to wait 12, up to 24 months before you do that wedding. And by then, you might... Is that how far ahead they book you? Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, I had a two-year sales pipeline. Jesus. I had two years worth of bookings. I booked mine over 18 months in advance. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah, right. But yeah, so... And that's, like, what I talk to people about with business. You need to have a plan. Well, that's a thing. I just know that I want to be more than be a, like, a 5-way guy, a 9-of-5. I just don't know what to do. Well, people are asking me that. Yeah, but, like, I know it sounds stupid, but they, like, go get an ABN or a tier to an ABN. Like, all that kind of stuff. Yeah. Like, but I would get, I guess, over-concerned with, um, like, getting it wrong. So, okay. Like, the legalities and stuff, not really, like, in the paperwork stuff, not, like, having a go is the hard part. Nah. That's what I get, like, overwhelmed with. Yeah. Australia's pretty chill like that. Like, Australia's tax laws are pretty chill. If, well, if you fuck up, they'd let you fix it. In America, if you fuck up, that's it. But, like, if you're in FIFO... They're ruthless sometimes. Yeah. But if you're in FIFO and you want to do something else, like a, like a passion or something, you want to make a business out of it, the best time to, to do it is whilst you still have the job. And this is the biggest problem that I'm finding. A lot of FIFO workers. Leaving without, like, having a secure... Yeah. They're sick of their jobs. They're sick of their mining jobs but they can't escape it because the money's too good or worse. The money's too good and they've leveraged, overleveraged themselves with a mortgage, jet skis. See, that's one thing I don't understand. No. I'm not out, like, to be, I'm not, like, anything special but I'm not stupid. I'm not going to go get a loan. Do you have debt? Just my bike. It's, I could pay it off like if I really tried in like three months. That's fuck all. Yeah, but it's like six grand or whatever it is. Yeah. But people, people have like a 600 to $800,000 mortgage based off of the leverage from their FIFO job. The banking system's fucked. Well, they calculated like this. They calculated what you can afford to pay back over 30 years. They don't give a fuck whether or not you want to be working in that same job 15 years from now. That's not the bank's problem. Yeah. That's a you problem and they, they never tell you that. They never go, yeah, you are able to, to, we're able to approve your loan based off of your $100,000, $120,000 salary you get as a FIFO worker. That's unbelievable. And then I've had this conversation with a couple of youngsters who are 19, 20 years old who have been given a straight out of, out of the packet six, six figure salary. And I'm like, well, so they've just let like fresh out of high school company. Fresh out of high school they're 100K. FIFO. And I'm like, and I asked them, I was like, 100K, well, I don't think, 100K, but you know, then they get this fucking. Yeah, then they get all this other shit. And I'm like, how do you think you're gonna like your job in five years? They're like, no, it's pretty good. And then, and then I talked to the ones that are five years down the track and they go, I fucking hate my job, but I can't leave because I've got all this debt. That's the conversation need to have. I got while the other conversation, We're blokes, man. Shut the fuck up and do your job. Get paid to do something you don't want to do. That's our job. Forever. Till you fucking die. Your job is to provide for other people in your life. You can like it or not. But no one tells young dudes that. And they say, I don't like my job. Stop sulking. Do some work. You get paid to do stuff. You get paid fuck all to do less if you like. But you want things and you don't want to pay the consequence for it. It's okay to take a paycheck cut. I hate my job but I love it. It's so fucking hard. Like... And there's definitely times where it's cruising. There's definitely times where it is. But when it's hard, you like... You love the challenge. Mate, I'm fucking yelling at this pipe. I'm trying to shake out doing drilling stuff. Right? And anyone who's done drilling, like anyone who's done it can relate, right? On nights you've got absolutely no sleep. You've been to the gym and you've got to like drill. Like and shake out meters worth of mud. Out of a pipe. With nothing but your bare hands shaking it. And a mallet. And you might be able to pump it out. You've got to do that for hundreds of... Well, meters and meters. And you could literally be shaking this heavy pipe for like 20... Do they not have a fucking machine that can do this for you? No, that's the job. That's the job. That's the job? That's the job. And it's the hardest I've ever worked. And I'm 32 this year. I consider myself to be a hard-working bloke. I'm injured. I am injured. I'm always injured. If I told them how injured I really was when I started, I wouldn't even get a job there. But you've got to get on with it. So what if 10 years from now your health... This is why I... ...severely deteriorate? This is why I don't want to stay in these kind of jobs. Because you can't do it forever. Well, it's only because I like training. If I didn't give a shit about training, I could do that. These guys are hobble around. They still get the job done. But I like training and my performance in the gym and my gym effects work is a big deal. It's not that I can't do them both. But if I want to train like I want to train, I can't work how I should have to work. So it affects your job. So what's your perfect day like outside of FIFO? Outside of FIFO? Well, you're still working. Well, you're still working, but it's outside of FIFO. As in I'm not getting paid, but I'm doing work. No, you're getting paid. Well, money's not a factor here. Are you talking about a dream goal, a job or a dream thing? Yeah, money doesn't exist. What's your dream day? You can't say fucking Mauritius with a pina colada. Oh, that shit's overrated anyway. Yeah. Every now and then it's nice. A real dream day without talking about work would just be a day with my kids. Yeah. Like that, without talking about jobs and work like a day with my kids, a day with my misses. Yeah. Go to the gym like no matter what. Yeah. Have some good food. Listen to some music. You can achieve that life. Well, I already do that, but you could be happy with what you have, which you should be able to do so. Of course you can. Yeah. But you can also strive for more, which is what I'm doing. So what's your game plan for that? Well, that's the problem. I don't have one, because I don't know where to start. All right, let's talk about it. How long we got? We got a good 15, 17 minutes. If I was to say what I would like to do, so when I went to Geraldton, right, I was part of the Football Academy but growing up, right, I was, in my view, never black enough by the black kids to be black, never wide enough by the white kids to be white kind of thing. So I was kind of stuck in the middle, had fucked up psoriasis, that flaked down the back of my ears and shit, typical teas a lot and all that kind of stuff. But I went to the Football Academy, yeah, a quanta of, so in Geraldton they just called it Football Academy. Yeah. And I was going to leave school because I didn't enjoy all the teas and all that shit, but I enjoyed being there. And my mum begged me to try the Football Academy. You guys are like, nah, I'm doing it the normal way, like everyone else, I don't need no help. Just do school like my way, whatever. And I was like, okay, I was going to leave anyway, so I decided to have a go. And what they did for me, like in that age of my life, like 10, 11, 12, those years in high school, the Grand Jolly, Rob Collie, Rob Collie, Dale Baines. You remember all their names? Yeah, Heather Bratt, Mark Allen, Math teacher, all these amazing people. So the year group that I had were great guys. But what they did for me as a young boy who I didn't have my father around March, just helped. And there's a lot of guys struggling with shit, all sorts of things, personal issues, family issues, girl issues, no leadership in their life. I'd like to be one of these kind of people. Yeah. If I could pick something to do. Yeah. And... Just make an impact on guys. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of institutions and organisations. Yeah, but they're all kind of like... mainstream kind of vibes. Yeah. I want to be different, I want to be mine. You know, like the typical cliche thing, like gridiron gang? Yeah. I want to be like that, but like my way. Yeah. Kind of thing. Yeah. I want to start talking about it and then build a brand. I don't know how to do that. I'm not like that confident in what that means. Okay. I don't really understand what that means. All right. So you have experience. You have an agenda. You have something that you want to leave a legacy for your kids. Definitely. I would start with that. I would say... My son got a head boy. There you go. I found out two days ago. Oh, congratulations. Yeah. For primary school? Yes. That's awesome. That was us. Yeah, the boys. Yeah. So this is why I started making content on my channel and got confident in doing it. I asked myself, when my kids are watching this 20 years from now, who aren't even born yet, would they enjoy the content in a way that it's funny? Then I'm involving now to... would they enjoy the content for more than the humour, for more of the philosophical education point. Yeah. And that's why I want to start making content for them now. You do. Yeah. And the grandkids. I'll be in on those chats for sure. Yeah. But that's what I mean. Like, whatever the video is, let's say 10 years from now, God forbid something happens to you, right? Touch what it doesn't. And your kids want some advice from a fatherly figure. Why can't they still be you? I have great mates in my life who I know that they could already go to if they needed to talk to someone. And that's awesome. Yeah. I've made sure that whether it's accidental... The kids don't... Not every kid has that. Yes, I know. So why not create a platform that they can look up and go, search up and go, hey, I'm struggling with this and then it's you or me or whoever talking about it. And then all of a sudden, that funnels them into a sense of belonging because that's what you've got to do. So what's something that you'd tell your kids if they were in... They're all in their early 20s now, fast forward. What would you tell them? Don't chase girls. Chase girls. Pussy is the weakest form of satisfaction. Like, if you're in a committed or loving relationship with your partner, that's not the same thing. If you're, like, weak for a girl or, like, my personal experience is I stopped playing football. I had a goat waffle. They really tried because I was worried about girls. Just distracted. Oh, looking over there. That's all that was. I'm not saying I would have made it or might have. Who knows? But I didn't even try because I was distracted about something that when you learn late is pretty easy to get. But the thing is, the problem with young guys is you've got to be relatable to them at that age. Whereas if you heard the same conversation that we're having now at our age, you might be like, you might be like, you might be talking to that fucker and you might use that directly, like, that day, or change your behaviour that day. But kids at that age are hard because they've got to trust the man talking to them. That's why you've got to build a brand. You can't trust a stranger with your intimate trauma that maybe your dad beats the fuck out of you or whatever it might be. Maybe just having troubles talking to girls like in confidence. They're not going to listen. You've got to trust with a man like he's daunting. That's where the brand building comes in. That's where you start to put it out there. That's why I was able to build that sales pipeline of the wedding clients. They still text me. They say, I've been following you for years. Now I'm getting married. I know you're a wedding photographer. I need you to be at my wedding. Whereas others would go, fuck, I'm getting married. I don't know any wedding photographers. Who the fuck do I get? They have to stress out about knowing which one it is. If they're going to be a vibe, oh, there's Sev. Fuck, I've been following him for years. He makes me laugh. He's going to do that on my wedding day. So that's the same with you. I'm not a very chatty person to people. Like I am, but I'm not. I feel like I waste my breath a lot if I talk to people who just aren't relatable to what we're talking about. Small talk to me is quite hard to bother with. I find it very boring. I'm the same. But the thing is right, you're either planting the seed or getting to the point. You're reaching out to the right people right now. So the 1% of the people that do need to hear your message, they'll find you eventually. But if you put out one video, for example, even though you're not an outspoken person. I don't know what I'm supposed to say. Well, you said that. Don't chase girls in your early 20s. They're a distraction. That's one piece of content. Okay. I know I'm pointing out problems that aren't that big a deal. But I find, maybe because it's just my algorithm, but that's all I see is pages like that. It's just the same old kind of shit. Perfect. Why is it perfect? Because you are going to make your own version that you think is better that will align with the people that are looking for it. So I'll give you the wedding example again. Wedding couples never married before. Never looked for a wedding photographer before. They don't know what the fuck they're looking for. They look at all these people who are all saying the same shit. Here's my website. Here's from photos. I'd love to be part of your day. That's it. Then I come in and go and relate to them going, fuck, so you're getting married. That's hectic. That sounds amazing, but man, this is a lot of work to do. There's a lot of things that I would think about doing between now and your wedding day as like a heads up. Give them value. And then they look at it. I made a whole blog about it and shit and people are still finding it and still hitting me up from it. I made a little podcast, a wedding podcast for a little bit. People are finding that podcast and they're still booking me from those episodes two years ago because the value was there. And they go, man, I trust this guy. Hire me, hire me, hire me. Yeah, that's irritating. It's like car sales. Exactly. But going back to what you're seeing on your channels is all these guys are like, oh, you want to become a man and shit like that. They're all saying the same shit. They're literally just regurgitating the same shit over and over. If you speak from your own truth, your own trauma, that's fine. Over time, that builds that rapport with the people that need you. It's going to be your guy. You're not going to be their guy either. I've seen heaps of gurus all the time and I'm like, oh yeah. They can't all be your guy. Tony Robbins can't satisfy everyone. No, no. But it's the same with even sport. You have one or two of your favorites. Andrew McLeod was my favorite AFL player. And I just like the way he went about it and things like that. And now in footy, there's so many characters and UFC as well. The most successful UFC people are also the most charismatic. They're selling their business. But if they've got a good product, meaning they can fight, then Dana's seeing dollar signs with McGregor going, fuck yeah, he can fight and he's entertaining. Whereas you see Jose Aldo for the last 10 years, I didn't even fuck it because I was a UFC casual before McGregor, as everybody else was. But I never knew that Jose Aldo was a champion for 10 years. One, because he didn't speak English. And two, he's not an outgoing person. Well that's what I feel like. I feel like I'm the quiet person. He just likes to do the right thing. I obviously want to help people, but how do you help people without being noticed? Because I feel like that's what I want to do. What you could do is if you just want to dip your toes and find your own messaging, you can even just start volunteering like a day a week when you're home from FIFO. We had, I was a Gareth from ManUpWA, which is... I think I've seen that on a website. Start with something simple like that and just develop your own little message and you might like a lot that they do, you might find some stuff that you don't gel with and you might be able to develop your own messaging and then you're not going all in straight away. It takes time, so you've got to build it if you want to. You say you want to but you've got to go out there. I remember Instagram came out with the Instagram stories and I was like, I can't be fucked. I'm just going to keep sharing my shit. I was just like, no stories, just posts. And then I was like, you know what? What's the worst that can happen? And then, yeah, got me here. But, yeah, volunteering and that's what I actually did. I volunteered my time. You did the photography thing. You provided people to join, didn't you? Yeah. And that was it. And they will come. Yeah, exactly. So I haven't checked out this ManUpWA or anything similar like a men's shed. How do you go from just hanging out with people to actually helping them, giving them guidance in areas of their life that they actually need? Is that just as simple as just having conversations? Yeah. How do you help your boys? I'm hard on them. I'm pretty rough on them. I don't give them much. They're pretty solid. I mean, however you parent your kids is your thing. Yeah. But there's got to be empathy. There's got to be... They've got to figure shit out, too. Yes. My parenting advice is some people may not like it because they go, what the fuck do you know? You don't have kids. I was a school teacher for a little while. You still were a child. We're all children. And the kids that I taught at school, the ones that had the most trouble, their parents showed similar traits. They didn't have parents or they were telling them how to live. Mate, I try to be present. I could show you text messages from less than this week. No, that's fine. Trying to get in contact with my children just for a phone call. I don't call them every day, maybe once a fortnight, sometimes less because they don't always have shit to talk about. But even when I try, it is so hard to get a phone call. He's doing... When your kids are adults, you'll be there. I've watched my son three times cry to stay with me now. Every time I say goodbye. It's so hard. I didn't think it would be. I thought, yeah, that's a nice feeling, but it's hard. But they listen. I feel like I've done a pretty good job. Obviously it's not just me, but I think we've done a pretty good job. It sounds like you, Dave. But that's the thing, with the kids, I know that when I started Tiktok for fun, it's because I realised that they found me online, outside of school. And I thought that was funny because they would see me at school. They'd get home and procrastinate on their phone and then there I was again popping up on their fucking feed. I wonder if my kids, they watched Tiktok. Imagine you start a channel. And they see me. And you were just talking about life advice. Yeah. You were talking to them first, but then you were also talking to everybody else. I talk to them just like I talk to adults. I don't sugarcoat much. I have empathy, but... They are 100% capable of navigating in their head certain things if you give them certain things. Like if you have no pressure on them to pick up something and learn or try something, they won't. Or they might. You've got to follow your obsession. Whatever distracts you, you've got to follow that. I follow those things about my kids. And just that comes to me. It goes back to my original question. What would you tell your kids right now if they're in front of you in terms of anything? They're going to go through some hardship through life. So what do you want to do? You have to guide them. Us as adults with our kids and us as kids with our parents. My mum specifically, she was hard-ass. She was very similar to you and my mum. Very similar. This is all cultural differences now. Gen Z could say they're a bit softer because their parents were softer. We can say they're a bit softer. Yeah. When I was growing up mum would just step in when I was going to do a colossal fuck up. Or I was colossally disrespectful. Of course. That's it. There was nothing else. She always said to me, get a job or go to uni. One of the two things. And I got a job because I didn't want to go to uni. And then after that there was a bit of guidance. And then I left the nest. In my 20s I still needed her help. And then now in my 30s I'm giving her help. I do that. I think obviously myself and myself I've known you for a long time. I think we've both got parent mothers. Especially have done a very good job of raising boys. They had to be both men and father and mother I guess. But they did a good job. Through what you've achieved and what you're achieving and how you are people relate to you. People don't think you're a dickhead. Exactly. I can say the same thing. All my kids are kids. My siblings are relatively successful in what they do in their own ways. My son and my sons. It comes from somewhere and it's not just like one person has done this but my mother had a hard life. I guess a lot of mothers did too but those strong people have made huge impacts for multiple people and it's pretty cool to understand that. That's what I'm not seeing at schools with their parents. Their parents were raised in a nice family which is good but they don't have that resilience. They finish school, they go to uni, they get a job and they start to work that job. They have kids that didn't have that hardship so their kids get away with more things. You know the hard times build the best book you'll ever read or that I've ever read. Hard Times Create a Strong Bed by Stefan Arno. He passed away I'm pretty sure. It's thick as fuck but it's so easy to read. Any guy who reads that, even a woman, to try and understand a man mate. That's what I mean like the kids nowadays need to face some shit and I'm not saying to start beating the shit out of your kids I'm just saying they need to be aware because before the wars and all that, it wasn't as hard but there were more diseases there were less medical shit to help you with and then the wars came and then the boomers rebuilt everything. It's no fathers in the home that's a simple answer that's a simple solution but that's the answer. Fathers get taken away from the home take away a strong father from the home or male role model the house will collapse you do that to every house or most houses there's nothing there. So that's what I mean with yourself and me as well is if the kids are consuming bullshit online and this is why I'm pivoting outside of all the nonsense stuff like putting skits up and doing funny stuff every now and then to help people. And it's harder because the algorithm doesn't want that. Well not everyone's going to like that because some people only relate to you because you're funny. But they don't want to consume that because it's the truth. Oh people can't people can't digest that. They want to escape. Well that's the whole why people love sport it's an escape. It's why people watch reality shit. That stuff's like you're living through somebody else. That's sad. And going and consuming stuff online. You said you were trying to take up gaming again on one of your stories. I haven't touched it. I haven't touched it. That's one thing I all just taper off to a mature well that's what I did. I just basically play computer games until time was up to go back to work or I got to see my kids and I was just waiting for time to pass. You could be a kid you can go online and play Minecraft with your mates and you know like telling this to a kid they'll tell you fuck off and let me just do what I want but if I was a kid again and I was 12 years old and everybody around me wanted to play Minecraft I would be going how the fuck can I flip this shit on eBay. How do I do all this other stuff right now so that by the time I finish school I can play as much Minecraft as I want because the money that I have invested not savings invested is putting a roof over my head putting food on the table and I'm in my early 20s I've seen a couple of young entrepreneurs achieve it but it's that mindset that they get into I told my older son this I speak to him differently to the other two because he's a bit older. Well I talked to him about this stuff. Not because money is the reason but money gives you choices. Like I'm not a finance guy, I'm not loaded or anything like that but you know enough to know that if you have plenty of money you can just enjoy life a little bit more I'm not saying it's the fix for your problems but if you don't have to worry about there's a lot of poor people taking work for granted just having a job I've been jobless before it fucking sucks but I refuse to go to selling so I didn't go but there's a lot of poor people who can't afford normal shit shit that we take for granted it's like my son's boy about Jordan's I know you like sneakers but that's what he's in his head you can't afford sneakers you can afford shoes but you can't afford things that matter it's not going to help you in the long run he thinks about it and stuff and I just put little seeds I guess as opposed to just trying to drill into him and you do that a few times over the years and they kind of get an idea themselves I'm also like a hypocrite a lot of the time a contradiction because a lot of the stuff I talk about in my branding I talk about sneakers and my love for them and things like that but like I'm not a materialistic person even though I've got shoes I personally love my shoes I don't buy them for anyone else I don't buy them to flex I've got an Apple watch I don't give a fuck about Rolexes I don't give a shit but if one came out I was like that looks cool and I have the money where it's like you know why not I will Ferrari's and shit a G-Wagon would be nice what are you going to do with that it's just going to take you from here to there and it's going to be a bit cooler in the air for me it's a comfort thing though I don't really fit in my G-Wagon my fucking Volkswagen I don't fit in I want to fit in something nicely and my posture doesn't go to shit that's an exception you don't want it for a legitimate reason and the same thing with flying I want to be in business class yeah have you done it before it's not because of unlocking a new level it's not because of the lady the whole time and you got wifi it's the extra leg room I need the extra leg room I'm not even like a tall person and I'm like cramming up and like hoping that this would be like a half an hour flight yeah I can't get debate from bosses but going back to what you want and what you want to buy and all that shit and all the money like money helps ease your lifestyle because even when people say to me you can be happy with 40k a year and live a happy life I could but you wouldn't be doing much your basic cost of living per year is fuck it depends on where you live but it can be between 16 grand to 26 grand a year I pay like 12 15 grand in child sport and like yeah that's like that much money you live in somewhere like Kyrgyzstan where I'm from you can get by like a king less than $500 a week or no sorry a month yeah but you take away your job right so imagine money wasn't the problem you did everything you had to do but you could just afford it like are you happy without that though or with it like if you change and the money was it wasn't the problem but you just spent what you spent like would anyone even be happy I don't think a lot of people would be happy I'd get bored but like I talk about it with Sabine all the time like what if we just had an off the grid place and we just every day I just like farm and stuff like that that's why working for a man is important even you don't have to like it but it's a purpose you don't have to believe in the purpose but it's still there and the purpose for me working for myself and building something myself that's still working man it doesn't matter who it's for you're like it's for your family but you're doing something you enjoy if you did all this your entire life got all this shit got all these Ferraris and fucking all the rest of it you had no one to share it with you might have a hot date every now and then every night and that's all that you'd be a sad person if someone likes that I'd be very surprised this situation is just the ability to go anywhere and everywhere not to flex on Instagram that I'm in fucking old mates you know city or whatever I'm at this event or whatever it's just the ability to do it if I wanted to well it is flexing but it's also not a bad thing like what's wrong with showing people what they can get if they work hard enough well that's what I say as well you could send a message to the right person it's like anything you could change your perspective on the same thing three times and you get a different story depending on what you want so sad people are going to behave in sad ways so there's tons of people trying to get something in their life there you go so you're full of wisdom I know that fuck I don't know I don't know how you do it podcast you've said some gold shit already put it out there and then I was talking to this guy before last week and he got into his music and then his sister recorded a clip of him singing or rapping and posted it and it did well I asked him what if that didn't do well would you be still interested and he goes I don't know maybe not what do you mean before yeah that's what I mean I had a discussion before you came with another guy that I'm collaborating within America and we said that when you have a passion you love doing it you also got your main job and then your passion becomes monetized like it did for me sometimes the passion goes away because the pressure of the job becomes that's why I don't want to compete yeah because I just do it for myself yeah I could definitely understand that it's not fun I'm also doing it to make someone else's version of what a good body like it's all for somebody else like I love the gym I am but I don't know how you could do it and make it a piece of this it's like well PTs and stuff like you've done it like boring it got so boring I feel kind of guilty literally literally could just go on YouTube and search out the same shit I'm going to tell you when it comes to that I feel guilty taking someone's money people want that human element want that sense of belonging people paid me more for accountability I don't think someone would like me as a PT I would be like shut up give me those people they'll fucking grow that's for sure I'm new PT I don't know how to talk to people in a nice way but I'll get them working well that's what I mean with your content you're not for everybody I'm not for everybody but you make enough impact on the right people obviously the goal is to make an impact on as many people as possible would you make your own a new page for this because my tool accounts are on personal or private sorry fresh and Hamo's tips or something I don't know it's got to be something cheesy right nah I'd probably I'd probably make it more sentimental something more like something memorable but less cheesy unless that's the angle you wanted to take it all the stuff I'd like to share would be like pretty deep meaningful conversations about that kind of stuff I mean I shared a story about my mum a year ago of like how she she was clutch at school for me she carried she was MVP for me oh okay there was a time where everybody was racing to the canteen to get food and I just walk to the office and there'd be a hot pie there for me and a coke every lunch and I'd always get the caramel slices after the cooking after with her but then I also did my own little fundraiser with the zombie chew thing zombie chew story not sure oh just quickly I've said this a few times but I oh okay I've said this a few times but the I would sell lollies at school after they got rid of the sugar stuff from school and my mum's office was the stockpile for all my goods and when they asked her like what's he fundraising for she goes oh yeah he's good he's legit she was clutched as fuck but yeah I've always been doing things my own way and I've always been sharing my own personal stories where I could so sharing your personal stories is your brand because that is you I guess it just comes down to a bit of fear to be honest I wouldn't say that I'm scared of much but you are at the same time yeah of course once you relinquish that once you just let go of it what's the worst that can happen the worst that can happen is someone fucking shits on you they're a piece of shit anyway like people try to do that anyway they're not your audience though sorry this content wasn't for you and I'm pretty embarrassed for you that you took the time to tell me how you feel in a negative way but next time if you could give me some positive feedback maybe some constructive criticism instead of just blatantly shitting on me you know I get constructive criticism every now and then it's up to me to take it or leave it and if they then follow up again going hey I noticed you didn't take my criticism before you're a fucking idiot I'm like don't watch my shit then yeah well that's the thing I'm not I don't know it's just maybe it's not even fierce maybe it's just like self doubt as opposed to like what people might actually say oh they'll say shit oh yeah I know people are like you gotta get ready for it I could say something right on camera right now there's no problem with it but that's the world not everybody like there's a whole vegan thing right now you've been seeing me putting the stuff on the bully butcher I haven't seen the vegan thing but the vegan thing has been around since people are hardcore advocates about it and I'm like you know what fuck it I'm gonna be a meat advocate I'm gonna be a fucking full blown beef eat your beef eat your pork eat your chicken that's what we were doing for centuries for millennia I'm very much the same I'm not one to like oh yeah tell people what they can eat they can eat whatever they want but it's like religion you don't go beating kath like the bible is that people think they're gonna be receptive to what you say so a lot of people just don't like it cause they've just been shoved down their throat but I've seen like vegans who've been vegans forever do you watch Sean Baker's stuff his carnival diet but I've seen vegans who've been advocates for it forever and have changed and now they're going holy fuck my life's amazing I feel so much better well I did keto on and off for years I was like the only person I knew who did keto for like I feel my friends did it like trial and error I did it throughout footy and I did it because of them I think but I just kept doing it a lot of intermittent fasting and you go through periods of time where you're doing that stuff when you're not doing that stuff but like I felt amazing you show me where the fat people are from eating lots of meat like if that's mostly what they're eating and mostly nothing else or like some veggies and stuff but you showed me all the traditional tribes where they had a bunch of fat people I haven't heard of any maybe I'm in the wrong history but yeah like millions of calories in the big fancy animal like millions of calories a lot of people talk about that stuff not just the flesh but like organ meat I just love how a whole cow got a little liver king like a whole cow can feed you for a year and you can just have what comes out of the cow and you would be your nutrients would be all covered well you wouldn't go hungry and that's the thing like that's what they worship cows what are they trying to preach about like health or just like what is it a false agenda that's what they're preaching like the bug thing so they say it meets bad since forever they throw vegan products at you vegan stuff all the vegan farms there's no vitamin B in the soil they kill all the insects but people who talk about vegan they're only vegan for part of what they want out of it they're not vegan vegan because if they were they wouldn't they'd find some forest or piece of dirt desert where there's no animals ever and they'd use that to farm but then you're killing all these other animals it's like contradicting yourself that doesn't make sense but it's the same with every other theory out there with whatever debate you have with anything there's always an opposing side and you know vegans hardcore vegans would say we're talking shit they're gonna come after us I'm living my best life but I'm also not telling them what they should do I'm just advocating for what I believe is my favourite way of doing it and if there's people that want to jump on the boat let's go for it but if you don't jump on the boat great, live your best life it's funny because people grow up and they'll hear advice from their parents or anyone wise but don't always listen to what people say take it with a pinch of salt or if you choose to go online and watch any video about anything and you're not trying to understand there's what's the point you're just trying to respond to what you think you're not actually trying to listen so you might be advertising me or talking about it they could just say that he's doing that not I have to but they choose other ones are you seeking validation or are you looking for an opinion that's it I'm always seeking validation from my misses I think that's a good way a good know to end on and I'm excited to see your shit online soon and for everybody else watch this space Josh Hamilton named to look out for soon yeah it's been a good chat lots more to come out of this this has been one of my better favourite chats we're just talking about shit I was thinking about bringing some wings just cause I was thinking about bringing some wings next time we'll do it on location we'll hit up hit up the channel let us know what part of the segment you like the most if you think I'm a piece of shit I'd love to hear from you as always, good thanks