 It's October the 28th. It's Wednesday. It's 11 o'clock. That could mean only one thing. It's Trump week. I'm Tim Apachele, your host. And today's show is titled White House surrenders to COVID. We're not going to control this pandemic with less. Well, we have six days until the election. I mean, we're finally here. We're in the final stretch. And what we've witnessed and observed from Donald Trump is that he's going from campaign rally to campaign rally and basically instigating a super spreader event. And no matter whether it be in Pennsylvania or Michigan or Arizona or even Omaha, Nebraska, everyone that comes to his events are not wearing masks. And what Donald Trump has successfully done is convinced him that by wearing a mask, the government in some way somehow is trying to tread on you, tread on your individual rights and your right not to have to wear a mask. And that message has been sold quite effectively and quite successful. And as a result of that successful rhetoric of Donald Trump, we now have record highs of caseloads of COVID-19 and over 1000 1000 deaths per day in this nation. Congratulations, Donald. You've convinced the nation or at least your loyal followers that wearing a mask is treading on their individual rights and they're dying as a result of it. Donald Trump does not care. He's killing people literally. And at his rally, he's basically he's saying it's the Democrats that want to hone in on COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID is the Democrats that are honing in on it. And it's needless. The economy's fine. The the virus is around the corner and it's almost over. And after November 4th, no one will be talking about COVID, especially the Democrats. Well, we know that's not true. We know that Donald Trump is lying in the face of science. Gerald Kushner was recently the interview was found on April 18th that Jerry Kushner was gloating that they had won the day from the doctors that they were going to get the country back from the doctors. And since April, that's been the strategy is ignore this virus, preserve the stock market and forge ahead. Okay, I said my thing. Without further ado, I'd like to introduce our guests. Good morning, everyone. We have Jay Fidel, Winston Welch, Cynthia Lee Sinclair, and Stephanie Dalton. Welcome one and all to Trump week. Appreciate you all joining up. Jay. Let's go to you. We have two candidates with two very, very vast and different approaches to the campaign trail here. Joe Biden taking COVID seriously, trying to protect not only himself as staff, but also those who come to the rallies doing everything he can. And then on the polar opposite viewpoint, you have Donald Trump, who doesn't care about his, his constituents. He doesn't care about those in the audience. He cares about himself because he wants people around him to wear masks, but not the people in the audience. Given these two very vast different strategies and how they approach the campaign trail, in what reality does Donald Trump strategy work? Is it the fact that he's convinced them that wearing a mask is an infringement of an infringement upon their individual rights? And he's won the day on that argument? Well, you know, who was it? Michelle Obama, who said, when, when they go low, we go high. Well, that's what Trump has been doing. He's been going low. And he's been appealing to people who have no critical thinking and faulty educations and who believe him, you know, no matter what he says. And it's very troubling here at the last, I know the polls do favor Biden, but there's a lot of people reflected in those polls that favor Trump. And they go low with him. It's amazing to me that a grown person could agree with some of the remarkable things that he's been saying at these rallies, where thousands of people appear and applaud his every word and don't wear masks. But that's what we have. And it's not entirely clear until next week, maybe, you know, that the Biden will win. I sure hope so because if Biden doesn't win, we all go low. I don't know what more to say to you, except that, as I mentioned in the email to you earlier, as the most remarkable thing that happened as far as I'm concerned this week is when Leslie Stahl interviewed him. And she said, you know, she corrected him on every lie. She wouldn't let him get away with anything. I hope everyone saw that segment. It was remarkable. But the one thing that happened that was extraordinary was, she said, I don't know if you remember, but I asked you one time why you call the press fake and enemies of the people. And he said, she said, she recalled that he said, I do that because I want to discredit you so that you will not be credible at the time you criticize me. And that's a complete demagogue. That's what we have. You know, and Jay, when she brought that up during that interview, the 60 minute interview, that was the point where he got very upset and agitated and was on the way out the door. As soon as she brought that point up, you could tell a marked change in his demeanor. And she really, she really got under his skin with that comment and quit, you know, how she presented that. Yeah. Well, I think what we have here is a real conundrum because we ask ourselves this question every week, if not more than once a week, how come anybody would support a guy who goes low like this? He's all about criticism. He's all about the worst things in humanity, dividing and hating. And yet there are people who support him and who will vote for him, who have voted for him. And so the big question left for us this week and next is how many of those male ballots favor Biden and how many favor Trump? And will the Biden people who would like to go physically and vote because it's too late already, according to the post office, it's too late to send your male ballot in. And they go to the polls. How many will go to the polls because of the spike and the surge? Some of them won't go, sorry to say. And so I think the Republicans have a kind of advantage on election day and it's not clear what's going to happen. I'm sorry. Are you impressed with the turnout stuff? Oh yeah. So far, absolutely. And most of that male turnout is going to be democratic. The question is what are the Republicans have up their sleeve and what does Trump have up his sleeve? Don't forget the Supreme Court ruled against ballots that come in after midnight on election day. I thought that was a really awful ruling and it suggested as we go forward the Supreme Court is compromised, is corrupted, and we'll rule for him on a political basis because that was a political decision, not fair, not constitutional, not respectful of the public. And I think we have, we already have a pretty good handle on where they're going and it ain't good. Well, I think that that kind of decision, plus Donald Trump's words about, you know, male in ballots earlier on, has basically incentivized those to get out of their armchair and go to the lines, wait hours and vote. I don't think that would have been the case had Donald Trump kept his mouth shut. But because he couldn't and is not in his nature to keep his mouth shut, we now have record turnouts and I think that's going to work against Donald Trump most certainly. The numbers are what 60 million voted but the entire electorate is something in the order of 150 million. So the fat lady has not yet sung. That's correct. All right, thank you Jay. Hey Winston, are you surprised that Mark Meadows candidly stated that we are not going to control the pandemic and to that effect, not really defend much past it. I mean, they've said, well, you took me out of context a little bit but they really haven't vehemently denied that comment or that approach. Were you surprised at all that he said that candidly? Yes, but also, yeah, just getting something honest like that was reasonable and it lets you know what we've been saying here all along on this and on Goronaville that this is all left up to the states that they've given up any pretense of control. I think at this point it'll just be maybe some spot fire putting out closing down places that are becoming overwhelmed. But, you know, this is our last week where hopefully we have to have this administration lying to us or questioning everything that they say. Obviously, you know, hopefully our fellow countrymen and women will decide that we absolutely must have changed to save and salvage what is good and decent and right about this country and we are more alike than we imagine we are. I think it's easy to put us into the partisan labels but in fact we're closer than we realize we've just been bamboozled for so many years now that it's hard to pull back from that. But these are, you know, our fellow countrymen and women and they hold goodness in their hearts and I think that enough people will say, you know, we can't take it anymore and they will, they can go and vote for Joe Biden and lie when they come out and say, yeah, I voted for the Donald. That's fine. It doesn't really matter as long as the end effect is here and I am guessing that we're going to see resounding victories state by state as it falls throughout the nation. It's not going to be uniform. There's certainly going to be areas that don't go but most people I think will have said I've had enough. The nation is not better off than it was before. My family is more fractured. My work environment, you know, the virus, whatever it is, I think they'll make that decision. I think what I'm seeing on the campaign trail again is that air of desperation from Donald Trump and it's becoming more and more evident that he's desperate. I mean for example, when he's accusing medical doctors of profiteering from COVID on the campaign trail and not talking about policies or a vision of the next four years, but that's all he can basically throw his anchor on is accusing doctors of profiteering. Are you surprised by that at all? No, he says so many contradictory and stupid things that it's hard to watch but there's a documentary called Totally Under Control. It tells you exactly what happened and as this has unfolded, you know, there's another thing where Mary Trump asked the psychologist to weigh in and say he is not well and we need to understand what does this mean. Psychiatrists let them tell what's wrong with my uncle. Psychiatrists no. I'll let them tell voters. That was in the Washington Post. I might thought some other things that were more, I love the article by George Conway, which was I believe in the president now more than ever. That was also in the post, not that we only go to the post for our information. We have plenty of things but he signed an executive order letting him purge thousands of federal workers for disloyalty. This is kind of scary stuff reaching down into the, you know, how our very government functions. But we have other things, Facebook and other things they said. They're preparing to treat the U.S. like a failed state for the election in that they're going to watch who posts what they're not going to announce early election results and all of that. There's some other things that were scary, you know, the EPA canceled a diversity training due to an executive order that bans diversity training based on race and other categories. I have to agree with you that his points of being bizarre is incredible and it's noticeable and I think that's what is driving more people out of their arm chairs and register for the first time and perhaps even vote for the first time. You know the younger vote. I think the one thing that kind of visually the most shocking thing was him standing with Amy Barrett. That was a bad move on her part because and it was sort she was just sworn in by Clarence Thomas and then stood with them next to him like this is the man that appointed me. It gave a very whether or not it was you never you never have those things at the White House event that's always that and it just reminded me it's almost as if she's appearing as his running mate if I didn't know better like here is this woman this white woman that I've chosen who represents your values and she's on display right here at the White House and I just thought that was very troubling of her. It was a disturbing image. Hey okay thank you very much Winston. Stephanie is Joe Biden hitting the right notes on the campaign trail and to add on to Joe Biden is Kamala Harris. Are they hitting the right notes particularly regards to their defense of their position of being safe for COVID and pushing a national agenda to address COVID versus the missing strategy for COVID under the Trump administration. Yes yes and yes I can see the complete and total satisfaction and peace. I felt actually this morning listening to Biden's latest comments. He reflected my values. He reflected the priorities I feel as the voter I am. Democrat and for democracy. I felt so good and I'm just holding on to that along with the fact that the really only good positive news we have about Trump's situation is that he is out of money okay and it doesn't look like he's going to be writing his own checks and it doesn't look like anybody else is writing any big checks on him so I think that we do have that to hang on to otherwise as you all are saying it's a complete crap shoot because we don't know who all these people out there are and Miss Kitty that's now on the Supreme Court forgetting all our guys back into the wild west where they can have as many guns as they want as many but you know no regulations for damning up the only river coming down between our branches so I mean all of those things I'm able to set aside because of what it is that Biden said that reflected my values and then the same with Kamala so but I've seen him more and worried more about him of course because he's the the candidate and he's surpassed my expectations because he does crunch a lot of words sometimes and he has stumble but he's not he's on he's actually on the themes that are really important to those of us that I think are yeah I no longer curl my toes when he gets to the podium I I think that he does have a command of what he's trying to say and he's he's well rehearsed and he's actually able to speak you know on the stump as well so my curls of my toes are no longer curling yeah I'm saying I'm saying because I know he's but anyway because that's not his strength is being up not yeah who's hysterical and wonderful to watch so that's not unfortunately that isn't that important I don't think in this in this round of the election so let's go ready thank you I wanna Cynthia are you there I'm here great same question to you are you tell me how you're thinking about the the the right notes Joe Biden and Kamala Harris is hitting and also talk a little bit about your observations about Barack Obama on the trail well I loved what Barack Obama did and said it was so fabulous and it gave me hope you know it made me go oh that's what a president supposed to sound like oh yeah and and knowing that Biden was exposed to that for so many years too and then his own moral compass makes me really trust him and and I think a lot of people feel that like you said our toes are all uncurling right because we're not so worried about will he you know trip up on his words or he's doing awesome but okay and this is a big but you guys and it's something you hear from me all the time I've done a little more research I found seven states that do not have paper ballots to go along with their electronic voting okay both states are the states we need to watch and of course I left my notes in my car and didn't have time to go get them before I had to sit down for the show sorry but I do know there are seven states that are not going to have paper ballots are they swing states yes they are a couple of them are some of them are but a couple of them are and I know it's like Nebraska and I think Wisconsin Illinois Ohio was one of them no that's a big one um but I don't think it wasn't like Arizona and Iowa and Florida so do you predict what's your prediction do you think Biden gets in by a hair on this election or does he lose or is it going to be a blue wave I think it's going to be a landslide for a landslide okay don't believe that we are going to get to know that it was a landslide all righty we've got you know was a Kavanaugh came out this week and made a statement saying that he they are going to throw out as many ballots as they can he said that so we know for sure that the Supreme Court is already set to throw out as much as they can and and of course you know when they throw it out they'll go oh this is true well do you agree with Winston about the appearance of Amy Barrett at the White House being sworn in and that's the wrong image and visual does that actually motivate people to say that's not right I'm going to vote uh and I'm going to make a difference with my vote does that help at all did did that visual um motivate people I think that everybody uh all the Democrats for sure and independence also anybody that's not in his base see this whole entire appointment as a sham as a travesty as a borderline you know illegal anti-democratic process that they have just done and so I think it shines a light on on just how corrupt this administration is and so I think that part was good but we have to remember that we have to look more than just the voters because there's more going on than just the voters in regards to this election and I don't hear enough people talking about it we hear a few you know pundits will come out and say well we know about Ivanka as you know trademarks for voting machines we know about this you know little tiny bits and blurbs but we don't hear the main people well don't you think that'll be an issue if there is a contested election and until that point people just don't think it's newsworthy well I don't know as they don't think it's newsworthy what I'm thinking is that they might be waiting because if they can catch him cheating when the whole thing goes out the window but if he knows they might catch him cheating then he's going to cover his butt and they will be able to catch him you know just like a police sting or an investigation don't tell what you're going to do before him don't make I'm hoping I'm hoping that that's what's going on I'm hoping for your you're hoping okay hey Jay here's a question with the nomination and the putting Amy Comey Barrett into place on the Supreme Court same question you Jay does that actually motivate people to say that that was kind of a rigged selection it was a hypocritical to do so and I'm mad as hell and I'm not taking any more now I'm going to register and vote it would have that effect on a lot of Democrats I'm afraid it would not have the same effect on the Republicans at the base because they'd say well looks like he got it done we wanted him to get it done and he did it and he did it before the election we got to give him credit this is going to affect policy in this country for our lifetimes and beyond so I you know I would say it's doesn't change too much people who don't like her will continue and the people who like her will continue but one thing I noticed though and I want to add this you know a lot of this is really not about policy it's about who do you like a lot of this is about you know the Gestalt the personality aspect of it after all politics has become personality as it just as with him in a certain sense with her and I find her humorless I find her young looking and all that she is young but I find her humorless she doesn't she doesn't appeal to me at all as a person as a personality I would much rather see even if it was on the conservative side of things somebody who had a sense of humor somebody was you know was was like human she looks like she's possessed by him and that that would trouble me even if I were in the base yeah let me let me throw something past you and I've been it's been on my mind you know everyone's concerned about how this is now stacked and it was you know maneuvered manipulated by McConnell and uh what's to prevent after this election the Democrats to take the Senate the Democrats to retain the House you have a Democratic president and you legislate things to protect the Affordable Care Act or any other law in jeopardy on the books that's in jeopardy and legislate a full proof non-legal challenge law so it doesn't go before the Supreme Court what's to prevent that from happening not a thing don't you think that's the alternative then don't you think that's the alternative than stacking the court even further after the election no I like stacking the court too we've got to prevent this from ever happening you know and if I was in charge of the two houses and the presidency I would be taking all all kinds of step to make sure that this never happens again we're victims of demagoguery of the first order this is a low life administration and well I'm going to take you with you Jay I'm going to argue against that because I grew up saying two wrongs don't make a right and it wasn't right for the Republicans to install her post haste and I don't think it's any right it's not right for us to expand the Supreme Court let me add this Tim and that is if you think because the Democrats have two houses and the presidency they can run things right through and have anything they want or a combination of all the things they want think again you still have the base you still have Trump himself not in not on the presidency but you have a lot of Republicans out there who will fight like hell to stop the Democrats even though they control things if you think the Democrats were squawking about all these things that Trump has done they've been relatively ineffective the Republicans may not be so ineffective even as a minority and I think it'll be a fight to regain environmental regulations reasonable health policy all those things even to deal with COVID they'll be fighting like hell on everything so it's not as if the Democrats can walk in and fix everything it'll take them years to fix things and they will be fighting about everything they'll have to all right the Republicans will fight with them great point thank you Jay Winston same question to you can you solve this by capturing the Senate retaining the house and legislating good law well written law so that's not challenged by a lower court or end up in the Supreme Court well flash news 538 comes out and he says they have run the election simulations 40,000 times and they say Biden wins 88 and 100 times so that's pretty good odds and that's where he's went in 88 and 100 times all right back to the question thank you for the update well we have to look at is is the damage that has been done in the last four years the undoing of our norms our values our laws our regulations everything that that has been done will not be miraculously reversed overnight and because as Jay said there are 40 percent of the people in this country are still supporting this I think though that once Donald Trump goes away out of the office now he's certainly going to start Trump TV that's a given he's going to have his nightly show on every night but you know what people are going to start to get tired of him after they realize the failures of this administration and as it comes out and as people are not afraid anymore of coming out and saying hey this is what we experience here's the real truth here's the memo here's the email here's the this and that at that point then we're going to see the damage now will people view it as partisan or one I don't know but Joe Biden is going to be the president of all of America he's not the president of the red states or the blue states like Donald Trump was said he's you know he was president of some of America but Joe Biden will be president of all America his challenge as you say is how do we legislate these things how do we get them into place and and get these safeguards so that this can never happen again so that someone like this can never happen again and also flaunt everything from the the Hatch Act to having a cabinet of acting a point I did the whole nine yards how do we how do we get those norms legalized now so that this just doesn't happen again those are really good points and as far as the Supreme Court question goes it's already stacked right now you've got a six to three which we shouldn't be looking at this the court like that but that's how it is let's see how they come out and they realize okay we they can't get ahead of the public they did that I think a few times and they realized that was a mistake I would posit though also that expanding the Supreme Court at this point would be detrimental to to to our nation right now unless we see that this is just totally I would further polarize the nation and I think that the court is cognizant that it cannot get that far ahead and outside of public opinion and that they just need to let things sort of rest for a while and take a pulse again you know in a few years but if we find that everything is thrown up again like Jay said that that that we may that might have to be revisited and say there does need to be a rebalancing or maybe it's term limits or something because we can't have a court system that does not reflect the will of America just like we can't have presidents that are elected that that aren't in the majority of americans already like we've had happening all right we're almost out of time Winston I've got to go to Stephanie real quick Stephanie we're almost out of time your predictions between now and election day please I just want to say really quickly Joe Scarborough wrote a fabulous article and it's about the supreme court numbers and there is no established number and the numbers have gone from three to thirteen over the years there hasn't been a recent addition but there is absolutely no reason why the court cannot have the same question to you then same question to you wouldn't that polarize this nation even further well no that's the least of our problems and the other the other the good news as I said is that trumps out of money the bad news is he's walking around with the nuclear codes and if he's going to go to Armageddon during the next period that's one of the places nobody seems to be preparing there doesn't need to be any permission or any consultation to to punch any of those buttons off a mass all right thank you we're out of time I'm going to go real quick to Cynthia your prediction between now and next week well remember I've said once we back him into a corner he's going to get more dangerous so I believe he is more dangerous I I appeal to everyone out there if um if you hear him say something use the projection model and see is he really saying it about someone else or is he saying it about himself and when you use that sort of projection lens on everything you hear it it takes a whole new meaning and it helps us be safer instead of following the shiny objects we look at oh wait a minute that's what he's doing and so I would I would like to hope that people would do that okay thank you careful it's thank you so much um I'm gonna get the last word here is you know this is a show of commentary it is not a true news show as we all know it's called Trump week and we we opine we give our commentary so given that as the background I hope everyone gets out there and votes and quite frankly I hope everyone gets out there and votes and votes Trump out of office and remember no vote no grumble as the bumper sticker says here in Hawaii I want to thank Jay Fidel Winston Welch Stephanie Dalton and Cynthia Lee Sinclair for joining us the next time we'll be on the air will be the day after the election I'm pretty certain we'll have plenty to talk about and aloha to everyone I'm Tim Apachele your host see you next week