 Because people aren't going to take this issue seriously, they're not going to take this movement seriously if you're constantly pandering to people's feelings. What other movement of justice panders to people's feelings over spreading the truth? What other movement does that? Black rights movement? Women's rights movement? Gay rights movement? Who does, which movement does that? Should the animal rights movement panda to people's feelings? Should it? Well, not while I'm around. Music Thank you very much for your support. After watching you, I learned a lot on communication and since then, my parents and brother have went vegan. Good friends around me. Well, that's good. I'm glad. Look, I want to say this to people who criticise my approach constantly. I can do whatever approach I want. I can do certain different approaches. And there are certain times that call for certain different approaches. But when you get me out there on a street, like, look, it's me and a stranger. I'm given in the no BS direct, straight to the point, hard truth. But when you get me talking to like a friend of a friend and it's a different setting and it might be a personal environment, you know, yeah, I adapt my approach, you know what I mean? But when you're talking about public activism, you know, creating a civil disobedience, direct action, you know, heavy duty debate where there's four or five people coming into me, then of course, I adapt my approach. That's just me. But I'm obviously a little bit more blunt and straightforward than others. And you just adapt the approach to your personality. Don't ever forget the animals. Don't apologise for being vegan. Don't apologise for speaking out against animal abuse. But you know, if you wanted to land a little bit more softly, get it to land a little bit more softly. That's all, that's all. Hey, you can sit there and criticise my approach all day. You can't say that doesn't work though. They might have a little bit of a stick up their bum like they might be a bit angry with me at the start. But when the truth sinks in, they'll realise that what I'm saying is true. And that's the main thing, is what you're saying true. Cause that anger isn't gonna be there forever. Like people think, oh yeah, a vegan made me angry, that anger's gonna subside and they're gonna come to their senses and realise that they've been wrong their whole life and vegans are right and they should stop abusing animals and go vegan. You know, look, I got taught by one of the, the most experienced activists of all time, Gary Urofsky. He said, don't try to be a politician. We've got enough politicians who bullshit people. All right, we're not politicians. We're not trying to sell you anything. We're trying to speak up for animals. Okay, we don't need everyone to be our friends. Okay, we're friends to the animals. Don't need, I don't need you to like me. Don't need everyone to like me. You might, you might like me just as a result of me being honest to you. True friends are honest to other people. Like if you're a true friend, you're honest. Like if you've got a boogie in your nose, if you've got something on your face, a true friend will say, hey, there's some shit on your face, wipe it off. You know, that's a true friend and you know, a fake friend will let you walk around with that boogie hanging out, you know, it's the whole time. So, I mean, that's a pretty funny analogy, but it's true. You, anyone's got that friend who's just straight out honest with him and goes, oh, mate, that guy you're with is a piece of shit or you know, that changed that t-shirt, it looks shit or that haircut really, they messed that up. But you know, obviously there's a time to like be soft and you know, be a little bit strategic and stuff like that. You know, you don't really walk around telling the God honest truth all the time, but with certain things, it's important to speak truthfully. And it doesn't always mean be rude. Look, sometimes I'm a bit ruder than others. Like sometimes I just had enough, you know, just, we're all human beings. Just do your best. Do your best. Like don't think that you have to have some perfect, clear cut, amazing, articulate, you know, cool, calm, collected approach at all times. It's just not realistic, right? It's not human. It's not human. So I want you to know, anyone can be an activist, anyone. Don't matter who you are, what your approach is, how you talk, whether you've got a vast vocabulary, whether you're a super intellectual, logical magician, or whether you're just a stock standard person who's very simple, who says things clearly and simply. It's a very simple topic. Animal cruelty is one plus one equals two. It's not some, you know, it's not some equation you have to try to work out. It's just like, let's just keep it simple. Let's keep it simple. Another thing I want to talk about is, we've got to make eating animal products socially unacceptable. That's one that we have to make eating animal products socially unacceptable. Now we're going to get there by going, oh, it's okay, one step towards vegan is fantastic, good work. Yes, stay vegetarian, that's fine. No, don't worry about the dairy cows being raped and murdered. No, okay. Making eating animal products and using animal products socially unacceptable takes a certain type of stance. We have a zero tolerance, zero tolerance to animal abuse, zero tolerance to the animal holocaust, okay? So when you see those fur activists out there and they're going, you know, fur trade is the death trade. Animal abusers wear fur, okay? What are they doing? Do you think that they're just doing that because they're angry? They're doing that for a certain reason and it's to make wearing fur socially unacceptable so that they're shaming people for wearing fur. They're shaming people. Now, don't get me wrong, is it always the right time to shame someone? No, no, let's just say I'm just, but people should definitely, there's certain ways to go about it obviously, like, hey, you know, you're abusing animals when you consume these products, you know? If you feel ashamed about that, I did, that's why I changed, come on. I felt guilty and ashamed of, you know, some innocent animal had never met, been chopped up on a plate for me and I'm making them part of my digestive system, you know, putting them down, flushing them down the taller. That's how much contempt animals were treated. I was treating animals with when I was consuming them in their products, their byproducts. So think about the psychology of making something socially unacceptable. Think about that psychology. Like, do we need a bunch of, you know, animal rights activists who are so tolerant of animal abusers that they walk around on eggshells trying not to upset anyone? How are you gonna make animal products socially unacceptable like that? You know, you can make people wake up and, you know, curiously think and go, wow, you left me with a really good thought. But you're gonna leave them with this feeling of guilt for some innocent pig being gas chambered on their behalf. How do you leave someone, how do you leave someone with a real feeling like compelled to change? How do you leave someone with that feeling? So that's what I want you to ask yourself. That's what I want you to ask yourself. I changed because of guilt. When I was a gang member and doing bad things and out there beating people up and, you know, taking drugs and my mother's crying and, you know, hurting my family around me and, you know, a lot of my change came from the guilt associated with what I've done and wanting to do better, you know? If you've got some money in your hand and you're paying someone at the supermarket to go and then pay a slaughterhouse to cut an animal up into a million pieces so you can turn them into your poo so you can turn them, you can flush them down the toilet, right? And you don't have no guilt associated with that? The last person who should make you feel comfortable about that is an animal rights activist. The last person on earth who should make you feel comfortable about consuming animal products is should be an animal rights activist. For anything, you should be around animal rights activists going, I feel a bit uncomfortable about, you know, eating this tortured, dead animal body or consuming dairy products stolen from a suffered mother, you know? So that's what I want to cultivate a activist like that, you know? And that doesn't mean just calling everyone an F in this and F in that or whatever, there's certain ways you go about it. But I think showing that you're not here to enable animal abusers is good, is good. Yeah, we have zero tolerance to it. And yeah, we're gonna make it socially unacceptable. You know, why shouldn't there be, like they do with the fur protests out the front of places that are selling dairy products? The moral implications of dairy products is the same as fur. Some reason for fur protests, most of the meat eating public are on board with fur protests, I think fur is abhorrent and unnecessary and cruel. Well, guess what? So is dairy meat and eggs. Most of the meat eating public think, you know, the dog meat trade in Eulen is unnecessary and cruel. Well, guess what? So is the dairy industry. So is the egg industry for the exact same reasons. They torture, exploit and kill animals. So that's what I want people to think about. Think about that. Think about how to make eating animal products, using animal products, wearing animal products, socially unacceptable. And that's how you change society. And that's how, well, you think like, you know, I don't know, civil rights actors, people are against racism, come on. Racism is socially unacceptable. So it should be, it's evil. Racism is evil, you know? Sexism, socially unacceptable, you know, homophobia, things like that. These are socially unacceptable now. There was a time when that was absolutely fine. Not now, exactly. Cause you're gonna get called out for homophobia and all these things. And rightly so, rightly so. So same with animal abuse. We have to treat it like that. Treat it like that, especially the activists, especially those who are against what happens to animals. It's, don't be afraid of speaking your mind about it. So if you see me like in my recent video, that's me at the supermarket making animal products socially unacceptable. I'm saying it's disgusting. An animal is tortured and killed so you can eat their flesh. It's disgusting. No, I wouldn't, like that's not a time for me to use a Socratic method, even though like I've been a proponent of the Socratic method since I started. Like, I'm not gonna go up to people in the supermarket when we're doing that type of direct action and go, do you think this is disgusting? No, I'm gonna tell you it's disgusting. Cause it's obviously, it obviously is. It's cruel, abusive and disgusting. All right? Simple. People get offended because intrinsically they're good people. Conscious, their conscience bothers them. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And they might get angry at the person speaking the message instead of the message itself. That's probably a need to, it's easier to attack the messenger than attack the message. Okay. People go to me, are you, who are you to talk? Your next gang member, you used to take drugs, you used to deal drugs, you were a bad person before. So you can't tell us anything now. So what has that got to do with abusing animals? You just said four things about me, nothing about the chopped up animal that's on your plate. It's an exit strategy. It's like, it's a way around being accountable. That's what they're trying to do. But for me, if someone was straight up to me, straight up to me, said, Joey, you're paying for those products, abusing animals. You're an animal abuser, bro. There's no way around it. You gotta stop. You gotta stop. You gotta go vegan, man. If you care about what happens to those animals in that slaughterhouse, which I know you do, which I did. I did, I cared about animal cruelty. But no one was there to hold me accountable for it. That's the problem. We've got a society full of animal abuse enablers and we don't want a vegan movement full of animal abuse enablers, okay? That's what we don't want. We don't want to cultivate activists who enable animal abusers, especially like vegetarian walk pass. She goes, I'm vegetarian. What you're doing is good. And I said, only animal abusers by dairy. Now, if someone wants to pay lip service to what we're doing, while they're walking past, I couldn't care less about lip service. I couldn't care less. I want you to stop supporting the industries that abuse and kill animals. Now, of course I would prefer like the meat-eating population to support what we're doing. But their lip service doesn't do shit for the animals. Just saying, I support what you do, but I'm not a vegan. That doesn't do shit for the victims. The victims don't care whether you say you support what we do, but you actually, your actions oppose what we do. Your actions are literally paying for the Holocaust of animals. So a vegetarian walking pass going great, I'm a vegetarian, great work. What is that really doing for animals? Other than them feeling good about themselves when they go and buy a bottle of milk, which is paying for the most horrific cruelty on earth. People say, well, give vegetarians a break, Joey. What do you mean, give? Vegetarians are a non-vegan. They're doing, when you're a vegan, look, you're doing your, it's the least you can do. Basically being a vegan is the least you can do. You're not paying for dairy, you're not paying for fur, you're not paying for leather, you're not paying for obvious black and white cruelty issues. These aren't gray areas. These aren't gray areas. So, if you're a vegetarian, you already made enough of a change to kick meat, but why are you hanging on to eggs and dairy? Seems selfish to me. If you know that 50% of the beef is coming from slaughtered dairy cows, so you're supporting the beef industry. Where do you think egg-laying hens go after they're finished laying eggs for you? They go to the slaughterhouse. All them male chicks that have been macerated in the life of vegetarians, like, we shouldn't treat this any differently. That's what I'm saying. We shouldn't treat it any differently. If you're vegan for the animals, you're vegan for the animals. You know, you're not vegan for vegetarians, and it shouldn't, you know, and me, for me, I wasn't vegetarian before, I went vegan. I had this feeling like, you know, I got the message in a very apologetic way, and it took me six months to change. So, that just gives you an idea of what apologetic health advocacy does. Plant-based health advocacy. It wasn't compelling me to change. It was like, do this for your health, you know, but live and let live kind of thing, and it took me six months to change. But if I had heard Gary Yarofsky that first week, I would have been a vegan. I mean, I could only say I would have been a vegan if I heard Gary Yarofsky's speech, seen him show the slaughterhouse footage, talk about the animal holocaust, you know, calling me straight out the way he does in his poetic way. Mate, I would never have gone back. So, just because certain forms of activism, you know, might be a ticket, just because, let's just say health advocacy, environment advocacy, it's sort of that hooks them in to a certain group. Then they find the animal rights message after being hooked in by these other issues. If they found the animal rights message strong first, you don't think that's gonna work? If they get interested in health, right, then they find the animal rights message and they go vegan. What's to say that that person isn't susceptible to the animal rights message anyway? Of course they are. Of course they are, that's why they go vegan. They might find the health message first, but they only go vegan when they find the animal rights message. That's how it works. And I would have too, because I know, because it took me six months to change after getting the health message. And I just wasn't compelled to change for ethics. I was doing it for, I was doing juice fasting and all this, eating more fruits and vegetables and eating stew, eating chicken for protein and all that. No one told me chickens are being tortured and abused for me and it's my fault. You know, I wish they did. I wish they did. I would have definitely moved faster. Definitely moved faster. And when people go, oh, this baby steps approach, baby steps, this and that, no, no. Adults take adult steps. Baby steps are for animal abusers who are being complacent. Yeah, but I'm gonna talk a little bit more about making animal abuse socially unacceptable, making animal products socially unacceptable. You know what I mean? Like we are kind of doing it, but more. More so, like fair activists do, you know what I mean? You know, like really unacceptable. Like it's animal abuse to buy animal products. It's animal abuse to buy dairy. You know, it's animal abuse to buy packets of eggs. Why isn't it? Why isn't it? Why is fur animal abuse, right? Why is testing on monkeys and a lab animal abuse? But why isn't buying eggs animal abuse? Free range eggs, where male chicks are macerated. Macerating male chicks for free range eggs. You know, like vegetarian buying free range eggs. Why isn't that animal abuse? Just like if, you know, a plant-based for health goes and buys a fur coat, you know? Plant-based for health, but goes and buys a fur coat. You're gonna say, well, wait a second. That ain't a vegan. That is an animal abuser. But yeah, that's why, you know, plant-based is good. It's good. But when you go and buy leather, a fur coat, animal-tested products, go to the circus in a zoo and you eat plant-based diet, you're not a vegan. You're not a vegan. You're not a vegan. Sorry, just not. But I'm not sorry, because you're not. But it's good. 97% of the cruelty on earth, I don't know that statistic, it's probably more like 99% of the cruelty. Meat, dairy and eggs on earth. Meat, dairy and eggs, fishing industry. Fishing industry probably accounts for, you know, 85% of it, you know, that three, one to three trillion animals that are tortured and killed. So fishing industry, huge. But you gotta remember they've been ground up into pellets fed to farm fish, ground up into pellets fed to land animals. So yeah, yeah, so although like people might say, you know, Joey, you're too harsh, you're too harsh, no, not at all, not at all. Because there's a difference between animal rights activist and plant-based for health. There's just, there's a massive difference there. Now, am I gonna throw stones at someone who goes, oh, I went plant-based? I'm not gonna, no, of course I'm not gonna throw stones at them, like, you know. But I still would educate them to saying like, yeah, that plant-based is great, you know, but you gotta stop buying leather or anything like that. Plant-based is great, you know, but you gotta stop buying leather and wool and down those industry's torture animals as well, you know. As well, people, I think they mean well, right? And they just, they wanna be nice and that. But when you say it doesn't matter what reason they're vegan for, I think that's a massive error. Because you can only be vegan for one reason. You can't be vegan for health. You can be plant, you can eat, you can eat a diet that is vegan for your health. You can eat a diet that is vegan, you know. If you're eating a fully plant-based diet, your diet can be vegan, but your clothes can be made of skin, you know. Your products can be tested on every single animal's face in the universe. You can have a puppy meal, breeding puppies, skinning those puppies and making jackets out of them and your diet is vegan. That's what a plant-based for health is. So when, you know, you can be plant-based for the environment as well. Yo, hell, you can stop eating beef and eat chicken for the environment. Beef's got a bigger carbon footprint. What does that mean for the animals? More chickens murdered? Yeah, that you can only be vegan for the animals. Okay, I can't say that enough. You can only be vegan for the animals. You can eat a plant-based diet, which is cutting out a lot of the cruelty. Don't get me wrong, a lot of the cruelty. If everyone was food vegans, a lot of the industries, like the majority, like food vegans, no fish, no meat, you know, no dairy, no eggs, no honey. A lot of those industries that like most of the cruelty on earth would cease. But then, you know, the reality is we're not gonna have everyone be food vegans at once. We're gonna have people who are vegan, eating vegan food and still buying leather and still buying, you know, down pillows. They probably, they don't realize they go and buy a pillow and it's full of the feathers of some duck that was tortured. So if we're not giving people the right message and are they gonna be compelled enough to stay vegan? Think about that. Think about that. If you're eating plants for your health, I wasn't. I'm walking proof and I'm an anecdote, but when I started looking at the raw food and stuff and I started losing weight and it was all about weight loss. All about weight loss. I felt really good clarity. So I was doing juice fasting. I was eating steamed vegetables. I felt good, right? Started eating chicken breast when I started doing weights. You know, so I was eating vegetables and chicken breast and in prison I was eating vegetables, fruits, chicken breast and skim milk, boiled eggs, you know? I was eating predominantly healthy whole foods and eating those animal products for protein because I was training because I didn't know about the cruelty in these industries. And I wasn't compelled to stay plant-based because I didn't have the education. I wasn't being held accountable. I didn't see slaughterhouse footage, okay? I didn't hear Gary Urofsky. I didn't hear a Joey Carbstrong. I didn't hear a Paul Bashir. So yeah, and a lot of it is lack of education, you know? And they just hear the message and they think, oh, well, food, that's the most obvious thing. And the reason I talk about food the most is because that's where most of the cruelty is. That's where most of the cruelty is. But the leather industry is huge. Leather industry is huge. I think when you get the right message, right, and you look at it from the justice issue, you look at it as animal exploitation as an issue of injustice. You treat it like any other justice issue. You don't practice it sometimes. You don't have exceptions here and there. You're just like, it's wrong. It's always wrong. What's that coat made out of? You know, what's that pillow made out of? Is that wool? Is that wool? Is that made from a sheep? You know, you check into everything, you know? Because all you need is that one core message and it extends out to all the products, not just your food. It extends out, you know, you're not gonna buy from a puppy breeder. You're not gonna go to the circus because you've had that one core message and that's what keeps you vegan in all other aspects forever. You know, unless you're a flake who just don't give a fuck about animals and you just fall off the wagon and you don't care. But yeah, for the most part, if you're a real hard-of-people and they get the right message, they're gonna help the environment and their health as well, but they're gonna stay vegan and not buy all the other products that harm animals as well. And more often than not, when you give someone the right message, they give that right message to other people. So they don't go out and go, oh, no, it's okay, eggs here and there's okay. Oh, no, just do your best. Plant-based 90% of the time, yada, yada, yada. No, they go out and they start speaking for animals when you give them the right message. That's why my message has always been, get me on TV, I'm talking about gas chambers. I'm talking about animal exploitation, the rape and the dairy industry. You give someone the right message, right? Especially someone in a position like I am where I've got lots of people listening to me. They go out and give the other people the right message and it, you know, it leaves sort of, it sends waves of the right message to people. And you cultivate a community of animal defenders of animal rights activists, okay? Not people who are going, oh, yeah, no. Really, here's a pat on the back for being vegetarian on a Tuesday. No, they'll say, no, animal abuse is always wrong and you have to go vegan. If you're not going vegan, you're abusing animals and it has to stop, you know? So that's the type of rhetoric we need, you know? It has to be, like I said before, socially unacceptable. We need more activists. We need more activists. We need more activists. And the only way you get more activists is by making vegans vegan with the right message. The right message about the animals. Keep it about the animals. And guess what? When people get the right message and they go vegan 100% vegan for the animals, that's good for the environment too, isn't it? Because the industries that are destroying the environment are the same ones who are raping and killing the animals. Okay? So focus on the root cause of the destruction of the environment. The root cause is people, you know, thinking animal exploitation is fine and then they support these industries that are destroying the environment and torturing and killing animals. You know what I mean? So you might think, oh, Joey, don't talk about the environment enough. Well, you know, I did a little bit, but like now I just think, no. Because if I'm compelling enough people to change for the right reason for the animals, then the knock-on effect of that is gonna help the environment, isn't it? People stop eating cows, chickens, pigs, and fish and dairy products. The knock-on effect of that is it helps the environment. And guess what? They're gonna stay vegan long-term because they've got the right message to begin with, not plant-based sometimes for the environment, stop eating beef for the environment and eat chickens for the environment, eat wild caught fish for the environment, reuse leather jackets and walk around with animal skin like advertising animal skin, like it's a fashion item, wearing a fur coat because I don't wanna throw it away and like advertising torture on your body like it's fashion item, you know, that type of thing. So it's about our mentality. Even as vegans, it's about our mentality. What's your mentality like towards animals? That's what people would come up, backyard eggs, backyard eggs. And it's like, well, you're still viewing those animals as a resource, as a slave for you. These animals serve you, do they? You think these chickens are here to serve you to plop eggs out of their behind for you all day? And then when you're done with them, what you drop them off at the shelter, you just send them to the slaughterhouse? Animals aren't here for you. Animals are not here for people to exploit. And that's the message you want to give to people. So yeah, I hope that makes sense. And that's why I don't, I have got a no-nonsense approach. And you know, people who are apologetic, they just cringe at the side of me. They cringe at the side of me because I say all the things I don't want to say. Because if they spoke like, think about it. They look at me and they must go, shit, man. He doesn't care about making people upset. I'm constantly trying to apologize to people, for vegans like him. He's making me look bad. He's making me feel uncomfortable. Well, too bad. Too bad, I don't care. I don't care about your feelings. I care about what happens in the slaughterhouses. You know what I mean? And the same type of apologetic people have never sat there to, have never sat there to watch Dominion. They haven't watched it from start to end. They don't know what the animals have gone through. I've seen Dominion a dozen times, more than a dozen times. I edit that video into my content a lot. You know? And when we did the February scary, the February scary campaign, all I was looking at was animals being raped and killed. All I was looking at all day was where animals being raped and killed and looking at the industries that sexually exploit animals and just getting filled with anger, filled with hatred for the industries that do this. You know? And then I just had such a no-nonsense approach to this after like, I always have. But when you spend a month researching what actually they actually do to animals, come back and see me then. Come back and see me then and then tell me how, you know, you're gonna pat people on the back for doing fuck all. I'm not, you know? I'm not after that. You think I'm gonna walk through a supermarket and just go, oh, yeah, no, that's cool. Like, yeah, oh, you're vegetarian, that's great. No, the cows in the slaughterhouses want you to stop. That's it. And that's us, that's me to those who support the industry. Sobbed all day long through Dominion. It's horrific and horrible. And you know, there's a few types of people, those who know the truth, who have seen the truth and agree with different activism methods and those who shield themselves from the animal's suffering and go around criticizing other activists for speaking up against it, okay? Because they haven't faced one second of what the animals go through. They haven't faced one second of what they go through. So of course they're gonna think you're too extreme. Aren't they? Of course they're gonna think, oh, wow, yeah, these activists give us a bad name. Is that what you're thinking about? Your selfish self? We don't care if we're giving you a bad name. Do you know what gives, you know what gives you someone a bad name? If you defend the abuse that's going on to animals, that gives you a bad name. Animal agriculture is, it's bloody Hitler reincarnated times billion. That, you know, trillions of animals being tortured and killed in murder factories. That dwarfs any human holocaust by a mile. It's an insane, satanic, you know, death ritual going on so people can have a bacon sandwich, all right? And if you dare defend anyone who supports that, it makes you look bad. The activists who speak up against it, they don't look bad. Not in my eyes anyway. Not through if the animals could speak, if the animals could see what was going on here and see who's defending them properly. You know, you think the animals want someone to go, oh, congratulations, you didn't eat meat on Monday, but you ate dairy and eggs and bought leather and all those things. But the rest of the days you ate more meat and yeah, great, no meat on Monday. So what? So what? Like, that's not the right mentality. That's not the right mentality. So when I see people being apologetic like that, enabling animal abuses, I just feel disappointed. I feel disappointed and I look at you like, I look at you like you're on the wrong side. You know, you're on the wrong side. You're not looking at it through the animals' eyes. And that's a massive problem. It's a massive problem. And not just with meaties and normal unaware people, but within the vegan movement, it's a problem. Within the vegan movement, it's a problem, big problem, because it's getting so big. You know, you've got people that are just trending or just doing it for the environment or these other reasons, but they haven't faced, you know, what animals go through in a slaughterhouse and they need to, they need that reality check. You know, so me personally, even when I first went vegan, I used to look at fur activists and go, oh, that's too much. That's too aggressive. You ever seen like foxes and coyotes get skinned alive? Have you ever seen that with a skin torn off of their face and they're laying their suffering? Have you seen what that looks like? Then you tell me fur activists are too aggressive. How dare you? How dare me? How dare me for even saying that, like thinking that? Like someone out there with a sign saying, fur traders, death trade, calling someone a fur hag for wearing the body of an animal, right? I thought that was too aggressive, but then you see what the animals go through in the fur industry, being anally electrocuted, having their fur torn off of their fully conscious body and laying there to suffer without skin, right? That's not too aggressive. But anyway, that was me too. So I know, I know. I was like, oh, sometimes you gotta, I went down the apologetic path. And that was a big mistake. That was a big mistake. You know why? You know why I did? Because it was easier. Because you got less backlash. You got more love, more acceptance. You made people feel comfortable. You know, made people, eating meat feel more comfortable. You know, it's a bit nicer. And it's an easier road, but it's the wrong road for me. Anyway, because I'd rather it be harder and be done right, be done right, said correctly. Because what we fall in the trap of doing is censoring ourselves, hiding the truth from people just to make them feel good or to be liked. Just to be easy, you know? And the animals lose their voice like that. Because we hide what we truly feel. We hide what we truly feel about it. You know, so we're constantly checking ourselves and oh, better not say that. But that's what I truly feel that animals are being raped for that bottle of dairy and you're buying it, you're an animal abuser. You know, that's what I truly feel. Excuse me, you know how you just purchased that bottle of dairy there? Did you know that a cow was held down in a rack, raped and then killed and their child was stolen from her? Bolt gunned in the skull if they're born a boy? Sorry, but not sorry. Gary Orofsky, excellent. You know, Gary Orofsky, animal liberation activists for many, many, many, many years. He's done more speeches than any activist alive, okay? Two and a half thousand school talks. That's two and a half thousand Q and A's where people are given implants filled pain. That guy knows what he's talking about. He knows what he's talking about, okay? He's got more experience on the ground than anyone else in the world. If you look up what he thinks you should do as an activist, don't be a politician. Explain the rapes, explain the Holocaust. Don't think that calling yourself plant based is gonna make people listen. Call yourself an animal liberation activist, a vegan animal liberation activist, okay? Don't panda to people. If you think pandering to people is gonna make them take animal abuse seriously, you are mistaken. They're not, they're not. People won't change if they're not ready. You can't help that, no matter how you act. If they're ready, they'll appreciate your honesty. If they're not ready, they'll tell you to piss off whether you panda to them or whether you don't, okay? At least if you don't panda to them, you've got more of a chance of helping that person who's open take it seriously. Cause people aren't gonna take this issue seriously. They're not gonna take this movement seriously if you're constantly pandering to people's feelings. What other movement of justice panders to people's feelings over spreading the truth? What other movement does that? Black rights movement, women's rights movement, gay rights movement, who does, which movement does that? Should the animal rights movement panda to people's feelings? Should it? Well, not while I'm around. So yeah, like, I don't know why all of a sudden cause you're a vegan, you gotta automatically be a machine that doesn't get emotional. It doesn't, you know, you got too emotional there. No shit. I'm sitting here in front of a laptop with pigs being gush-tamed and this dude's being a dick. You think I'm gonna be nice to him? You know what I mean? What do you think? Does he deserve my respect here? He doesn't respect those animals being screaming for their lives in front of him with this laptop open. He doesn't respect those pigs suffering in their own blood so we can eat a piece of their flesh. Does he really deserve me? Does he deserve me to go, oh, excuse me, sir? Politely, can you please stop abusing animals? Like, whatever, like, oh no. But that's some of the things that, like I would think about, you know, in the background here, I get a lot of comments from people. I get a lot of criticism from people. I got a lot of criticism from other vegans. I get a lot of nonsense about my method, about my attitude and, you know, I interrupt and, you know, this and that. It's like, and? And I'm out here defending animals, mate. I'm not out here to bloody, you know, curl your hair for you or something, give you a back massage, give you a scratch. I'm out here to show you that pigs are being stabbed to death if you haven't seen Dominion, it's been out for years now. So yeah, obviously like, you know, there's been welfare reform for 100 years or something, that hasn't worked, you know? I've got more media in one month, in one month, being an unapologetic activist in the UK, all across the media. Dairy cows are being raped, pigs are being gashed tampered, this is a Holocaust. And okay, I've got more media from that. And you might say, well, that was negative media. How do you know what negative media is? Just because the headline's negative? It puts it in people's consciousness and they're sitting around the dinner table going, oh, you hear that vegan activist, Joey Carpstrong talking about dairy cows being raped? Oh, really? No, what does he mean? Well, artificial insemination, let me see a video of it. Oh wow, held down in Iraq, that's pretty bad. Was he talking about gas chambers? No, pigs aren't being gashed tampered. You know, the gas chamber thing, most people didn't know that pigs are being gashed tampered. Every single time I've been on television, millions of people watching, every single time I've talked about pigs being gashed tampered, every single radio appearance I've ever had, I've talked about pigs being gashed tampered to death for bacon. When I was on Veganville, the third episode when I did the speech to the university, if you look at Veganville episode three, I showed gas chambers footage to the students, right? And they said, oh, it wasn't very successful talk. Wasn't successful? Guess what they put in the episode? The pigs being gashed tampered. So one million people watched that last episode, 1.1 million people on mainstream television, BBC One. 1.1 million people, vast majority non-vegans saw gas chamber footage on TV. First time gas chamber footage has been on TV. Mainstream TV was because I used it in my speech in Veganville and I made a point of throughout Veganville of being unapologetic to say that, you know, that being like that is ineffective is just patently false to begin with because who the fuck out there is running analysis on how seeds get planted and how they flourish later on? Who the fuck is doing that? I haven't seen the study, you know? I've probably affected people without them even realizing. I have farmers coming up to me saying that, you know, I've reduced my meat consumption because of you, I watch your videos. They watch me because they hate me. Then they end up, it ends up getting through to them. I've got people commenting in my comment section going, oh, oh, you're wasting your time. This is absolutely bullshit. I can't be bothered with this shit. I was like, oh, you're bothered enough to watch and to comment with anger, didn't you? So you're seeing the message. They're seeing the message whether they like me or not. It's getting through to them. They don't understand that when they walk away from me and then when they forget about how I made them feel, the message is gonna be left there next time they look at that bacon. Yeah, I'll talk about it my way. And you know, there's already enough people doing the same approach in the movement. And, you know, you can't use me as an excuse if there's other people being nicer. So what is it? If there's enough people in the movement being nice and you're not vegan yet, you're gonna use me as an excuse that you're not vegan? Right? Or are you just not gonna go vegan? Cause you can't use one activist out of one million, right, as an excuse not to go vegan. Cause you're just looking for an excuse, right? And if a vegan is nice to you, guess what? That guy's a pussy, soft vegan, this and that. Like, I don't have to listen to them, listen to them. Like, you know, I've heard it all. I've been nice, I got shot down. Been straight out and people have listened. I've been straight out, I'm too aggressive. I've been nice, people have listened. So it's not you, it's them. It depends on the person. And that's what Gary Ofsky was saying too, after he's probably the person who's ran the study the most, cause he's got most experience talking to large groups of people during his two and a half thousand speeches that he did over 20 years. So that guy there, he knows. When he does a speech, he might have some people saying, oh, you're too aggressive. But 80% of the audience thought his message was great. So what's with those, that other 20%? If 80% thought his message was great and that other 20% thought he was too aggressive, was it him? Or was it those people in the audience who were unwilling to take the message no matter how he acted? They already had their backs up, no matter what. They don't wanna let go of their stake. Do you know what I mean? If you're going to listen to someone about advocacy, right? Check out Gary Ofsky. Check him out. Long-term animal rights activist, vegan for the animals, AF, and experienced, very experienced. So, I think we've got a bunch of people clapping out their windows for the NHS. Yeah, you know what, I might do some podcast soon, do a few more live streams soon. Thank you for tuning in, everyone. When's Gary coming back? Let's hope he comes back soon, very soon. God, that would be amazing. A lot of fire under the movement, a lot of fire under the animal agriculture. Another one, that'd be fantastic. Anyways, guys, thanks for tuning in. Peace out.