 I don't really understand why there's nothing to understand We took the motors we flipped them over and now we're gonna see what happens So this is our standard to seal to five inch freestyle drone built up with the DJI 03 air unit and we're gonna convert this into a pusher drone So right now these props are on top of the motors and they pull up on the motor Instead we want the prop to be on the bottom of the motor So if you flip it over and if the prop was spinning the other way and pushing up on the motor That's a pusher and that's essentially what we're gonna do here is we're just gonna take our drone flip it over and Reverse the things that need to be reversed might be asking why do this one? I'm just interested to see if it flies any different, right? Yeah, so I've seen a lot of these little cinder whoops like the sub 250 gram Where they've flipped the motors over and they've got pusher I think there's some benefit to that as far as stability at that small size mm-hmm I don't know that it's really gonna do anything for us on a five inch I'm just curious. It's just fun to play with things and try things the other reason I wanted Experiment with this is because with the 03 air unit it's become really popular to use The FPV camera itself as your recording camera that presents some problems because now any frame or props that you see in your FPV feed are showing up on your primary recording these Camera mounts that we use on the cl2 they're reconfigurable so right now they are rear set into the frame We're just gonna provide a little bit more crash protection, but you're gonna see some of the frame in the camera view So we're gonna flip these camera mounts around the camera is gonna sit out front here And that's gonna get our frame out of you and push the camera a little bit forward But we're still gonna have the props in view the way that most people are handling this is doing a dead cat Configuration we do have dead cat arms available for the cl2 So you can swap it out to that the cl2 air and that's gonna get the props out of you But what I'm curious about is can we maintain the true X configuration and by flipping it to a pusher Might that also get the props out of you because if you think about it the camera is up here And it's pointed upward now relative to the props with the camera having some up tilt You're more likely to see less of it, right? You think it's gonna fly better than something like a dead cat because the dead cat when you move the arms back It's shifting the weight. I think the dead cat configuration flies great Personally, I couldn't really tell the difference Okay, but I do think there are people out there that just don't like the idea of a dead cat and they really want that true X configuration or a wide X configuration, which is really common for freestyle and they just maybe aren't comfortable the dead cat if it Ends up doing something awesome or if you guys end up interested in it Maybe there'd be a whole new official variation on this frame or a whole new frame we could design. Let's just see what happens This is melting my brain a little bit. I gotta like put the drone upside down Yeah, look how much up tilt we can get The last thing we need to do is flip the props and our drone is upside down in our model. We are showing Looks upside down, but we need beta flight to think that it's actually right side up So we just go to configuration 180 degrees on roll for the board alignment save and reboot. Let's try that Okay, it's it's weird. It looks backwards to me, but this is actually correct I think we might need to change the motor direction. I don't know. Let's just take the props off James Can you bring up a battery? We'll do motor Reorder this was motor one Is motor Direction, right? Okay. Yeah, it's spinning the right way. So this goes here. Yeah, this goes here Let's tighten up these props. It does look weird James and drew made this weird upside down drone I don't really understand why there's nothing to understand We took the motors we flipped them over and now we're gonna see what happens What are you expecting to be different about it though? So the first thing I expect to happen is if you put it down like in the grass or something It's just gonna get caught up. Yeah, I'm gonna take off. So you have to put it. Oh, what are you platform? Or so immediately Just take off quick my first thought is that you're just gonna destroy the props right away Yeah, every time you land you're gonna have to change props The drone How often do you land on purpose? Yeah The pusher configuration has been used on Different drone platforms before the avada in fact is a pusher drum So this means because it's pusher it better. Yeah, if you guys says it's better Listen to China what they're talking about going into this. I thought we're like we're gonna fly drone It's gonna be upside down. Oh my gosh, but like it we're actually like testing pusher. Yeah, okay This is R&D. This is R&D. It looks like people because I was gonna mess a battery on here Yeah, you put the battery there. It looks like it's flying upside down Do you know why they do the pusher style on like the the little cinema quads like the 2.5 inch I think it's to help get the the props out of you I think it pushes the props down like cuz then there's think about the normal Cinewop style drone you've got these ducks pointing up and when you make it pusher the the rim of the duct goes way lower Relative to the camera lens. I'm curious. I wonder if there might be a thrust advantage, right? Because you have to think if the arm is under the prop you're blowing air onto the arm but when you flip it like this now that Arm is blocking some of the air getting sucked into the prop disc. So is one better than the other I don't know. I would think it would be pretty equal. Yeah Sean's always building the stuff for us and then we get to fly his stuff Let's take what you did. We built this Hey, thanks guys. You should break it. You should just destroy it. It doesn't like that's why it's responsible They're telling me not to break it They're telling me They're telling me not to break Whoa All right, what was that? I think that's just oh three area in it. Oh my goodness. Oh, I just because it's like ultra-wide Feels kind of normal. Let's see flip it's underpowered. Is it just me or is that a four cell battery or six cell? Oh, I'm used to six cell. This is a force out. No, it should be six cell. Those are six cell mothers Okay, yes, you don't have really underpowered. Well. Yeah, you're running. Yeah for us. Yeah, bring it Let's put a six cell battery on it three two one armed here. We go. Hey Oh, that's okay. Now I'm used to the wide angle so everything's good now more power Yeah, that's better. Okay. Now we got real power I'm curious how it handles prop wash I have too many variables to consider because I haven't been flying with the o3 area unit much It's very windy as well. Yeah. Well the o3 area unit has this Ultra-wide field of view when you're flying. That's really wide Whoa, so do you see props in V right now? No, I got zero props in Oh, yeah, I just like see them. I see them. They're just dark. So they kind of blend when they slow down Yeah, I mean so in terms of the flight characteristics. Is it just like a lot more than me? Yeah, it seems normal I don't really see any feel or see any difference that I can think of Okay, let me try to hit some gates and see because when you're hitting obstacles Flying out in the open is not the same as actually going through gaps Feels normal. Everything feels totally normal. I don't feel out of place like How about when you fly alone? Oh Yeah, that's actually true. Oh, here we go. Let's see So the only thing that I can see that Immediately is a downfall to me is like I love to skid Yeah, you can skid but Prop nuts might get a little messed up motors are gonna kill but You don't care about your shaft Exactly, I mean, I don't think that we're looking for like much like difference in how it flies We're looking for the actual benefits of like what it's good with a pusher and freestyle So props out of use first thing we're seeing that's good downfall could be But it didn't get props out of you. I feel like I've got less prop in view though Well, so here I guess but okay The other thing is is that we didn't completely put the motors on the bottom of a regularly designed quad The arms are still pretty high because it's been flipped if we had the arms at the very bottom And then put the motors on the bottom The motors will be sticking down a lot further and the props might be out of you at that point So basically you're saying if we built the drone up normal the way but just put the motors on the bottom Oh, yeah, I think so too because yeah, when we just put the whole drone upside down We're bringing the camera. I think it definitely changed the center of gravity relative to that to the prop line So like this is really just a one-to-one pusher versus standard configuration. That's really all this test I think there are more things and I think like with the avada Drone like the camera is more on top of the pusher arm So you're getting that advantage and that's how it gets the the props out of you but So you just mentioned the prop line. I didn't realize it's way lower So it's like it's not in the middle where it should be Actually disappointed that I didn't break your drone. I'm nice to these guys. I don't even break their stuff That's how it should be done, right? Who's next? How did you have this like that point it up like that? Huh, huh, okay It feels different like it doesn't feel like my regular huh Okay, it's like I feel like it's pushing the quad But it I feel it I feel it like when I'm flying it right I Know but you said you didn't feel any difference like I can definitely feel a difference. Yeah, yeah like sugar pills were really working Yeah, I don't know how to describe it like it feels floatier No, no because it doesn't feel like it's but like so normally if I take a GoPro off on six S I have harder time managing the throttle like the it doesn't bobble at all like you can just rest the throttle and It doesn't want to like drop or like just like it's just locked in. Yeah. Yeah, I feel more stable I mean absolutely. I mean like if this drone is tuned. I know you're flighty Like I just don't feel the like the quad pulling it's only like pushing itself. Yeah It's a like a like a pusher like a pusher. Yeah, no I love your time for you to fly Loady it's I just don't see the great thing about this this drone. I'm not trying to push this on you I'm trying to push this Just worth trying it flips slowly is that just the rates, but I fly defaults it feels that's why it's not default That's slower than default. It looks funny in the air. It looks it's falling upside down Okay, so when I slam on the throttle like normally you would it would kind of like jump up a little bit Huh, like it's got a like a slower Punch to it We should do some tricks. What should we do? Do the do you want to break it before you guys can try it? You need to start with a rubber tube Or just go straight for the trippy. I love that in 2023 Trippy spins are like the thing we start with. What do you matter flip? So it definitely flies different it you feel the pushy-ness of it I think it flies more stable like I think if you were trying to get cinematic footage it could offer some like benefits, but I don't know if they're enough to Like when I'm flying flat it feels great I mean, I guess maybe there could be something too like When the arm is under the prop then the air coming out of it is gonna be dirty And if the arm is above the prop it might be a little bit more turbulent coming in, but it would come out Yeah, like might be more clean coming out even if it's okay, let's try to get some prop wash Yeah, I really push for prop wash. Yeah, it like bobbled, but it didn't like So when we refer to prop wash It's when you quickly turn the drone around and the drone goes into the turbulent air coming out of the props It usually creates a disturbance and you'll see the drone maybe react like a little like a shimmy That's something you can test for in a tune or in the characteristics of a drone How does it handle that kind of worst-case prop wash scenario? It's it's very difficult to have a drone handle prop wash Well, so like how does this do like if you really just kind of like whip it and put it in that dirty air Oh Thank you. I told you. I told you I was gonna crash it. There's no landing here Yeah, I don't see any benefit for freestyle at all. Well, I think you need to try it. I'm gonna try I think I should try first. He's so anxious to try this. Yeah, I'm so anxious why you should yeah, okay, you know I'll fly first You're gonna lose sticks. I love it They get the flow Yeah, it feels like a normal quad. I honestly don't know if I would know the difference Hmm, if this was a blind test, I don't know if I would I can definitely tell it the props are in a different position In the screen than where they'd normally be They're lower they're lower they are lower, but they're still in view So it wasn't low enough to get them out of you. Okay, but yeah, I gotta say this just feels like a normal quad to me He's doing shredding It does shred though CEO flow here Shreden You could actually cut the grass if you like I feel like it's really on point. I don't know. I'm just really feel this right now, but I just feel like I Don't know if I would know there's a difference try to do like a juicy flick little What oh god? No, your arm switch Damn it It's a good turtle test. Okay, so I'm back up right now. Try now, but now your props are right in the ground No problem. Oh that that's actually really surprising man. I just whoop-odd right into the disarm zone Okay, you will find that it's gonna try this again. I know I was like what just happened. Thank you When you said you felt really locked in I kind of felt like that too like I was really in the zone when I was flying it Yeah, I'm like I'm having a lot of fun Bro will pod the arm switch you want to see something we're gonna do a little These are slow rates is this stock. I don't know it's supposed to be stock. There's no way it's supposed to be I don't know it maybe it is slower You just got to do a little No, I was I was throttling up No upside-down is it's an upside-down drone. I saved it. I was expecting a bigger difference Like I was expecting to feel push you don't feel it at all So Sean didn't you didn't feel the difference. You did feel a difference. I didn't feel a difference. So I mean I have to feel a difference Do you feel the push do you feel the push or It's a mental thing like I mean it's definitely a quad Does it fly? It just flies What I thought it was ripping. I was shredding with that thing. I don't think it's so shaky Well, the wind picked up by oh, yeah, the wind rolls per hour. Yeah, we got a hurricane So like when you throttle up over the top of the tree Do you feel it does it feel any different like is it? It's I mean so I don't even know This doesn't feel Doesn't fly very good use your words, but it doesn't fly very good. It's really bad. I think this is a like I don't know why Maybe when you crashed it something got messed. Oh Wait, it's like I'm gonna check something What's wrong, baby? I thought one of the drones didn't have stacks Bruce. This is the least reactive I've been into a drone in a while. I don't know. Um, I Mean, maybe you just hate that you can feel a big difference It just it feels underpowered for what it is, right? Yeah, that's what it you feel that too, right? Yeah, yeah Like when you go to roll it feels like it's like kind of like I guess Like I'm more used to it because I'm usually fly for us So, I mean, I Feel I fly a heavier set up My setup is more underpowered than yours and my setup still feels more responsive more powerful than this can't even think of feeling So it doesn't feel like it's missing a gopro, right? Like it should feel Amazing because it's success no gopro super lightweight like I wonder if the arm I wonder if the arm blocking the airflow into the prop disc is cutting your power seems like it might be but Maybe the trade-off is it's a little bit smoother because I felt like a really smoothy movie, baby I don't feel smooth to me. It did feel smooth, but I thought it Rates, I don't know like do you feel like it's still smooth by me or it just flies so bad I can't even say it feels smooth like it's just shaking and vibrating so much It's so windy right now it does not help at all. Yeah, the wind really picked up for you Okay, so I don't know anything about like weight lifting But is it like harder to lift weights up then to pull them up or is it the same effort, right? Like you asked me do we look like we work out I almost just wonder if it's just like this battery sucks You a good battery. Yeah, what is it voltage at 21? Try good try one of these GNB HV 1300 ma 6s packs. It's booting up. Oh I'm actually not much better It felt like it did you the sound would like it flies the exact same as it did just I can just tell us a newer battery Right, so when you just like Pop over the tree like you can feel that it's like a little bit like it's working for it a little bit, right? Yeah I Think I don't know we're feeling the same thing But I kind of see what you mean when you're when you just say pushy if that's the thing I Don't know. I don't know it feels like it's lifting you from the bottom instead of from pulling you from the top Yeah, pushy. I Mean, I think for me. It's just a mental thing because you've been saying it like it didn't have the snap I was expecting like when you do like a Juicy flick and you get like that that huck and that like that quick Like that thing should just like go immediately We're just out of video ideas, okay I just did arm it and punch it okay. Don't burn it easy Yeah, no, I don't know what I think about it. It's uh, I see what you mean though Like so you guys could both feel a distinct difference. It's different, but I don't know if can't really just feel slow That's the cl2 that you flew last time with O3 or unit. It's the same drone. It's so different I don't know what happened. It's literally the same drawing all we did was put the normal arms back on and Yeah, flip it up to that drone flew really good Yeah, so it's you you flew this exact drone just a few weeks ago in its normal upright configuration So we just flipped it over to make it a pusher. I don't know what's wrong with me Then I just couldn't feel it so now that we're comparing it to that the old other one just felt pepier Yeah, like when I was success that you're talking about like you run for us normally and so a success that doesn't fly Well, yeah, I feel like success. So I mean I I guess I couldn't really say what the science is behind it But it just seems from experience that Something about blocking the air going into the props really reduces its responsiveness versus Blocking the air coming out of the props for you at least I don't care. I'll rip anything Great time, but me so I think it's a rip it I don't think the benefits outweigh the negatives at this point. Yes, I think a dead cat would fly way better Yeah, yeah, yeah, so and I've got my frame coming out soon with dead cat as well So this is probably not the way to go Yeah, I mean it was really fun to try over the years what we do with FPV drones He's gotten like really refined and we've kind of boiled things down to like a pretty standard recipe But it's fun to kind of go back to how it was in the in the old days 2014-2016 when we were just throwing stuff in a while and be like yeah I mean all of it got great because of all the experimentation that we did in the beginning And we're not saying that this hasn't been tried before I just think it's been a long time since it's been visited on modern electronics with modern, you know flight controllers and FPV systems, so it's really interesting to revisit it, and I think we're done with it Happen to be part of the experiment, but okay moving on we were split on this side you and I felt it You and Drew did not feel it. So I'm really interested It's a simple thing to flip the motors over flip the whole frame over and then just flip the cam Yeah, let us know in the comments if you think this is the way to go for the future of FPV freestyle Tell us if you can even tell a difference tell us if we're lying if they're lying half of us are liars And we need to know who it is tell the truth if you're bored one day looking to spice up your drone life I guess you could try you know flip it things around and see if you like it But you know flip it or rip it flip it and rip it guys. Thanks for watching. We'll see you next time on road