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Yes These cultural barbarians stand before you and they're ceaseless Advanced will leave you shocked Bruise battered and railed against as we talked about that most lascivious of subjects sexual intercourse today I will say that was the best guy Let's talk about sex baby And me as remember the 90s Now it's the best guy ever An extremely goofy movie was my sexual awakening Invisible in cell and mythical make-toe hypocrite here reporting for duty All children of the world and and and Santa Claus is have a wondered what is sex Well, well, I've gone to the highest power. There is I've committed suicide I've gone to heaven just to get this one fact for you the top definition for sex on urban territory.com is Sex just like math you add the bed subtract the clothes divide the legs and pray you don't multiply. Oh Oh All right, let me kick back a cold one as I as I unwind here as you see This is a pretty broad topic that could potentially span the entirety of human reproduction and as human That's a pretty big deal But as what I prepared for today is is the main crux here of what I what I want to spread With you warped virtual vermin here The question that that people have jeered and sneered at my house for and you know made fun of me for my completely legitimate beliefs and And let's cut the chase here as all you know new listeners will pitifully think is ironic or pretentious But longtime fans will know are all too real and contentious is sex good or is sex bad Well, that's the question I have a question before I answer sure I've heard I've heard that when you have sex you have to show the girl your penis And if that's true, I have to say it must be pretty bad because that That's not that's not okay. I thought sex was when the keyblades touch, but I'm not sure about the dual keyblade Wait, wait, wait, hold on bit Ben so so if it's would you show a girl your dick does that mean if there's two boys Then it's fine Well, yeah guys guys can't see penises because they look away like guys Lord lines us from another guy's guys can't have sex. I mean maybe I don't like it I have like a they have like a six sense dick detector that if there's like dick nearby I can avoid it like if I walk into a bathroom I'm immediately aware of like how in danger I am of seeing it's like it's like when you come into a room And you can hear that the TV is on even if there's no volume. Yeah, it's like a high It's like a high question here the presence of a visible dick is okay So you have a special dick sense that most guys don't have so you know that I don't know that I feel like lots of guys Like are like constantly and don't see dick mode Most men who go into the men's restroom know that there are men in there who have penises I think I spent a lot of time in changing rooms And I've spent a lot of time looking at men's dicks And I just wanted to ask is it gay or not gay or to have a specific dick aversion like because like I just don't care I've looked at a lot of dicks. I look at a lot more as my days go I go to the men's room I specifically try and find trick shots and fucking sniper viewpoints where I can see that guy's fucking dick without him Realizing that I Digi, it's it's not my fault your dicks looking like a fucking snack right about now Yo, wrap that shit like a quiche for me, baby, I want to see that thing covered in smeg much That's what I'm all about. I want you to stick a fucking toothpook for that rd or derv right through your fucking reefer of them I want to see a waiter walk out with a plate full of those snacks, you know Just just spread them around to the whole high-class crew that we've gathered I will admit my flaccid cock looks exactly like one of those fucking little barbecue sausages Every time I eat one. I'm like this is smothered in barbecue sauce Just yeah, the ones that you eat out of like a can with a fucking toothpick, you know what I'm talking about Yeah Or in the court, let's make the rounds here. Let's let's get the general statements first What are your general thoughts on sex Nate? Is it good? Is it all good or is it all bad? Yes, me Ben shut up Okay, my thoughts on sex are it is only acceptable in the missionary position for the sole purpose of reproduction These are my thoughts. That's that's it. I'm glad I picked you first Is sex all good or is it all bad? It's all good for me, baby Hippo is is sex all good or is it all bad? Well, it depends on How far Good or is it all bad because no, but no, but it because like I'm thinking you can make a baby without having sex True, right? That's like that's like what that guy tried to do in the sounds of the lambs when he just threw his jizz at that lady You know as she was walking by his cell. That's like how you I think the way I see it is that making babies is pretty cool because babies are cute But then sex is like a hassle and I you don't want to have to do it It's not the most optimal Prime position to have a baby the prime position is just you know lobbing jizz at random women The worst the worst part about sex is the burned calories that interfere with my gains That is the biggest problem. It's just a lot of red tape. You got to go through. That's true. That's true Nate in order to retain that protein you should do a Nate of your own every time Right now that's a fucking snack. I'd like to eat Ben is sex good or is it all bad? Well, I'm very I'm my interest is piqued. I'm very curious about the subject I'm very interested in learning more One day But I'm prepared I'm prepared for it to be bad, but I still kind of want to find out if you know what I'm saying Risking them risk the danger someday, but not yet because I'm a little baby boy Is a bad sexual or only attracted things that make me feel bad To things to things that that are consistent like Consensus considered bad things like murder. I'm only attracted things such as that Okay Okay, okay, all right, okay to ask myself that thing. I have Legendarily the controversial belief that sex is all bad And and I and I have ridden right here. I I I posted in the in the chat. I have something like fucking like six 1600 words right now in my fucking notes at like I have a fucking like lawyer But I have like a like prosecution lawyer for fucking sex trial case right before me right now. Okay, muchy To me I feel as though when I hear you say sex is all bad I just think you are objectively wrong because some people have are having good sex Right now in the world. So what what is bad about their sex? Like is is sex bad for like a higher reason than that it, you know Like you're not saying that all sex is bad to do like it's not a bad time But you're saying it's like morally bad, right? Maybe maybe much is one of these guys who's saying that like, you know like sex Can reproduce children and it's immoral to bring children into the world because they will suffer to some degree Is that sex is not productive like it's not productive in a real way like it might make I mean, it's it's like as literally productive as Purpose that it's intense I Want to know yeah, which is bad is it isn't the recreational aspect? That's bad. Is it the productive aspect? That's bad What's yeah, tell us the problems with sex in two words are Society and time in one word pressure in a whole fucking bunch of words again 1600 words written down here I'm ready to fucking like Roman senator go as hard as fucking Ken Ham as a fucking mother bleeper here Okay, well screenplay at a moment's notice. So so let's get into it argument one argument one. What's what's wrong number one? Society Sex is one of if not directly society's main measure of wealth and status The root what about what about well-being status? Yeah, what about those two? Yeah, well, those are all Here it is all in pursuit of wait Okay, everyone in the world understands that Bill Gates is the richest man in the most successful man in the world There is okay, whatever there's never been a time that Bill Gates has had to be on TV with a hot chick to prove To people that he's the richest and most successful man in the world like he's never his wife It's just some normal-looking lady like he's never had to be like oh fucking. I'm banging a supermodel This is the ultimate show of wealth. We all know he's the most wealthy because he has the most money So money is by far the biggest show of like fucking status in the world What do you attract when you have money and wealth you attract sex, but you don't have much is right You gotta ask yourself a bunch of random girls just I mean I mean I mean I mean I think the idea I think people Like I think people admire if they think that like you could have sex like you don't have to actually do exactly Like exactly right if they detect that I don't think even if you wanted to then that's bad People I don't think people look up to rich people because they think they get laid all the time Because you don't have to be rich to get laid all the time What you have to be rich to do is to fucking own the world to have like your power influence What does it mean to even owe the world like if you okay? The whole point of this is what is the measure of a successful human being and from our origin biologically speaking What a successful human being was was I mean for the guys Let's just say a successful man was someone who impregnated lots of people and passed along his genetic code That was success right for that person That's not like that is not what we as a society like we don't think oh the most successful guy Is fucking Ron Jeremy because he's fucked the most Subconsciously we do subconsciously Would you not say that sex is one of society's main measures of wealth and stash because that's what my sentence was It is sir. I thought you said it was the most I think that's what I heard Sex is one of if not Oh, well, it's not it is not It is just one of one of okay. Sure. Thank you. Let's continue. That was the first sentence I would argue that the concepts of sex and death Like are the root drivers of everything that human beings do as money is garbage money is to to have No, I agree that it's the drive of everything we do. It's just not how we measure success Like it's not the number one way that our society measures success. Well, it's like the root thing It's like saying that like yeah In the weeds here, we're already getting caught up on on minutia and pedantic fucking semantics here. It's not This is the meat. This is the real shit. Uh, okay, whatever. It's it's an important issue relate to all this But okay bunch of go on go on. What else you got? Again, again, I'm with you. It is the root. It's the the starting point of major and vast social contracts It's it's the root of a whole most of the shit we do is for sex to be bad at sex Or to be considered unattractive is synonymous with being undesirable Unwanted and you are literally losing life by not reproducing It is the subject of major heat debate and is like like when the most sought after Concepts in all of life as we know it in all of like like multi cellular life Is is to fucking have sex. That's it. That's the lens. I'm viewing everything from that. That's a starting point from what Okay, I like to expand on sure on the on the thing I said earlier about like making babies without sex uh, this is sort of tying into that in that uh, the the the need for society In in society to have had and be having sex all the time at least enough Uh, is like a big pressure and if uh, if baby making was entirely like a scientific You just go to a place you get a baby Like that would make that less of a problem I think I think I think maybe should come out of the scientist place and sex should be uh, not real Then you could do eugenics without it being having to be uncomfortable to say that you like eugenics Well, well, here's well. Here's what I think I think that I think that like Not the having of sex but the ability to have sex is like like if you wanted it is like an indicator of Power and like the ability to to like, you know the ability to like do what you want and like not be impeded And and so like yeah, like I don't know if you see if you see a guy and you're like, oh man I bet that guy could get laid. That's like, you know, like that's one thing that's like, oh, well He's got that like he's he's powerful in that way. It looks like oh, this guy's got a lot of money Oh, he could afford a lot of stuff. He's powerful in that other way I mean, there's no need to fucking like look at look at it past Past the just like, you know the frat level just like like don't you don't you agree that like when you see someone who fucks a lot That's like, oh wow cool. Did you do not have that thought in your mind? You do not think like wow Yeah, that's what I'm saying here. It has you it has social currencies. That's a social currency That's true. Correct and and and as such I think that is undeserving of of of this What would I call this this stature this this status in the world? I do not think is deserving of this for multiple reasons number one Is is that wow like like the main uh, I guess appeal of sex outside of making babies, which Is not really a main thing like culturally. That's not the the main thing people have sex for. Do you guys agree? Yeah, yeah, mostly. Yeah, wait. I'm sorry. You're saying that it's not Say that again. I'm trying to parse what you just said People have sex because it feels good, right? But that's that's the main yes, correct Yeah, well, I would I think a lot of people have sex the main reason like for those social reasons because like having sex makes them cooler guys I think I I do I do that people have sex Because they feel an incredible tugging urge to do it at all times. It really that's yeah I don't think people have cons I don't think people have sex as a consequence of knowing that it feels good Like we know it is supposed to feel good But like you want to like, you know until you have sex if you're you know Like some of us who didn't have sex till we were well into our 20s and wanted it since we were Fucking 10 then like you've spent a lot of time just obsessing over it Not even knowing that it feels good or how good it does feel or like what it's going to be like It's just like this insatiable fucking urge to have it Drives you towards it. You know, it's it's it's Engrained deep into your brain and and I would argue we should surgically remove that Literally every human generation. Okay. Here's why you guys are all wrong, especially you munchie and it also give Every generation of human being that has existed up till now has Obviously passed on the trait of wanting to have sex because sex is good Because that is how the human race and the human race has evolved and it is the desire to have sex That and you know and the the fact that the human race is divided into two sexes male and female It to promote genetic diversity that has allowed the mutations that allows, you know Like mammals to evolve into apes into human beings like it's it all exists for the very specific purpose of genetic mutation so that or genetic diversity So at the best of the best rise to the top and the problem right now Is that we are no longer living in a Darwinian system and now everything is just done Like pure because humans are like so software driven as opposed to hardware driven out like society dictates how we do things Like now you just fuck hot guys as opposed to, you know, like the best fathers just as like one example Um, it's completely changed the way this whole thing works, but we've still got these archaic Things beat into us. I personally think that we're better off in a more Darwinian system than we are now I don't disagree with that. I wasn't arguing against that at all You know, Nate, I want to um, we were saying that it's wrong I actually think we might be getting hold on. I actually think we might be getting better about like finding Better matches for people and this is why like online dating is taken off so much is sponsored by e harmony dot None of those have ever worked for me. I I my method was get famous enough for people to fucking message you, you know But like either way it's it's still online dating And like same like I think that The reason it's so popular is that people are dissatisfied with like Finding like just whatever is in their local it like like I feel like we've expanded Um the gene pool in a way where it's like some of us who are born on this new generation Are not meant to fuck within our town because we've we've developed a system of beliefs that only really Exists in the internet space, you know, like the kind of people that we are especially Guys like us who spend a lot of time online Like we need to have like a mate who understands the internet because like the kids that we're gonna have Are gonna be like super fucking plugged into that and as technology, you know improves Oh, yeah, I'm just saying like for all we know by the time we like all our kids are like 10 They might be rolling out like oh money microchips in your hands and shit and like we need to be able to like I need a mate who's up and up on technology so that when we have to teach our kids about computers You're not a fucking retard about computers because that's gonna ruin our kids future Every kid needs to grow up learning coding, you know, my kid's gonna know coding by the time they're 10 You know Do you plan on blocking websites from your kid? Um, I mean If he's like five I should put on like a adult mode, you know, like most most electronic devices have some kind of like Here hit this button and only kid friendly stuff appears, you know So I'd probably do that until I thought they were like, I mean if they get old enough to figure out the internet There's nothing I can do to stop them like nothing stopped me or any of you, you know Once we once we got into the open wide internet. We just found everything we wanted to find so Um, you know, there's no stopping them But you have to get to a certain age before you even have like the cognitive capacity to do that, you know I I I feel like this is this is again a topic But but I feel like uh, there might be some duty As parents to not let your kid be a role player Very personal issue for you, I know We can't let another one fall to that. Yeah, I I feel like There are some websites that I'm torn on on possibly being but that's a maybe we can do an entire entire topic on the child A good idea. Let's do a banned websites episode Websites, we won't let our kids Yeah, yeah, it's a wait till we are actually dads then we can do some shit like that Like it'll be fun to do one before being a dad then after being a dad. Oh, okay. Well, all right Did you get back on topic? Did you just said about how like like it's it's not like you're choosing to get horny You you never just like think okay. It's like it's time for me to get horny boner happen Sometimes that I I mean if I'm bored then that's literally what I do Well, most people I don't think that's their experience with It's it's it's your it's your decision to go look at things that will make you horny You can't turn it on without any stimulus I mean I could think about things that'll make me horny, but that's that's you searching for it still Yeah, it's searching in the memory archive of the mind Yeah That that vast mental fortress they called the digi cranium. Yes. Yes Um Fucking yeah, yeah This is a biological cancer that is forced upon every human and and and and just just to clarify The the is sex all good. It is all sex bad like like obviously that is a mean point My my more nuanced actual thesis is is that sex is placed too highly a status wise in culture For culture you're saying in culture, you know, I don't think the problem is culture I think the problem is that it's it's got too. It just has too much of a hold over our minds Like it's just that our minds are like are geared in such a way that like all week It's it's weird actually because humans their reproduction cycle is super fucking slow It takes nine whole months to have a baby and after you've uh had it You can't you would have another one for like a couple more months So like the better part of like you could basically have one kid a year And so it doesn't really make sense that the dick gets hard like eight times a day Like you're not really meant to be out impregnating fucking everyone because you'll narrow the gene pool If like one guy is having babies with every fucking chick So it doesn't make sense that we want to have sex as often as we do And then there's some people who are like Wouldn't it make a drive for like, you know early man to want to have sex all the time so it creates a A better yeah, that's what I'm talking about what makes sense. I I keep getting confused if we're talking about early man Or if we're talking about like now for society. No, it made sense at a time But it doesn't make sense now because like we don't Like you know women are not scarce the way they were back then probably, you know, like you didn't have to Like you didn't need a constant drive to be seeking one out or trying to like capture and like, you know Fucking inseminate one like nowadays It's like most people just settle down with one woman and they've got like She can have as many babies with you as you want her to have, you know, or as they as you read I mean you could probably convince her to have as many Well, it's real easy to convince a woman to have another baby if you like If you could like give her like a sob story How many of you are convinced to have a baby so far didgy? None yet, but I know how easy it is How do you know that? Why do you say that? I don't get it. All you got to do is be like Oh, but like please Let's say you've got eight and she's like nine is too many It well, I guess after like four at that point you're just like, oh, why not have more and they'd probably be like Yeah, I can't even keep track of them at this point anyway But like a woman has to go through like nine months of pregnant like that's like a horrifying ordeal for them I mean at some point you just get used to being pregnant most of the time All right, think about that lady the 18 and counting lady like that bitch was pregnant That's one fucking piece of she seemed to be having a great time though, you know what I'm saying I actually have no problem with her whatsoever. I'm just me. I'm just I'm also me and I don't remember what the hell I was actually Well, what a wonderful use of everyone's time. This is good Why is sex bad tell me more? I keep trying but did she she's come in with non sequiturs that completely derail the discussion Midway through one sentence after one Okay. Well, so I was making a point and I just told a joke and then everybody like latched on to the joke and I expanded on it So, okay. I lost track of what I was actually saying I'm I'm saying that sex will hijack your mind in situations where you will not want this You could be at a funeral. You could be at a baby shower You could be your own funeral and you would still be okay. Okay. I think I've got a fundamental problem with your arguments here Okay, now I think your point is perfectly valid, but here's where I just hit a stopping point Like this is just how it was starfully now. Actually. This is kind of the opposite of starfully. It's just like this is just how humans are So what good does it do to talk about how mad we are about just how you can get it rid of it with robot Uh splicing. Well, you know we can splice it right out. We can splice that shit We can download an apache update and you know get the dlc for our human consciousness and I think actually it would help a lot if we I think part of the problem right now is everyone's really overstimulated in modern society that like there is Such easy access to pornography And you can watch like I definitely think that I grew up like with way too much access to like sex Because like I'm a fucking I feel like I'm horny all the fucking time. Like just non-stop and it's always been this way It's not just it's not just now like I've always just been like Wanting to fucking jack my dick all day everybody knew this sure much. Yeah Like you listen to the pump crawl I used to talk about how much I jack off all the time I've listened to one episode of the problem I thought you I thought you listened to you told me you listened to like everything I'd ever done Well pump crawl is great anyways I you know I've just feel like I've always been over sex and it's mostly because of overexposure to like I'm fucking constantly surrounded by like posters of sexy anime girls and fucking I'm always on a and they're always Posting porn on a and they're always I'm just saying that like the internet is just constantly Inundating you with like images of sex and like society if I watch tv for long enough I'm gonna see like an ad with some fucking hot chicken it and I'm gonna be like well I've got a boner now like Absolutely, I absolutely see where you're coming from with this But where I immediately hit a brick wall for myself is what can possibly be done? What could anyone do that shit Here here is what I I think I'm not communicating well Is what is my point is not to just stew on the fact that like wow We are like this isn't it bad and and we need to abolish sex. That's what I'm trying to say I'm saying that we place too much emphasis on sex And I think it will do some good to look at the negatives of sex to kind of knock it down a notch in our mind So we can better conquer it So, yeah, maybe maybe you're talking about how like right now like at college It's like a big meme that everyone goes to college. You're just like fucks like crazy Like that's like a cultural phenomenon So you're saying that like it might be better if we just we don't emphasize that so much Maybe our maybe our like our movies. Stop. Stop lionizing like these guys who just fuck like crazy Like in these college movies like like things of that sort. Okay, okay That it just stops become these stops being such a federal fucking issue For all things related to sex If I can just plant a flag it's a little you know If I can plant a flag on it in my sense of that I think nobody will be surprised by this but I personally uh, I have a lot of sex I do I had a large amount of sex yesterday and today and it was great But I really am not that interested me too like doing that bit Like I I thought I was gonna be the one like obnoxiously bragging about having too much sex I bring it up because it's relevant to my points. God damn it not because I'm just trying to brag I thought it would come up and everyone's just like oh, but if I had done it that way even if it was for my Everyone would have been like oh do you talk about you are the boy. You are the boy who cried. I had sex I am not that boy. I am I am a good boy. You're just not waiting you you fucking sat there You sat there like the intro of that slipknot song. It's like I felt the air rise up in Down and you're like you're sitting there like peering from the bushes waiting for the chance It's more like that. It's more like the intro to a song that's like dada dada dada. Do you feel that dada dada dada? Oh shit All right, well here what I was going to say was that even though I have I have access to sex right now It's great. I do it a lot. It is it does not provide any practical benefit to the things I'm trying to accomplish in my life other than kind of just satiating my base level human needs and for that reason I totally understand like I personally I went through a big dry spell for years Recently and that sucked but now now that I have it. I no longer give a shit Yeah, I don't spend any time like stewing on it. It is just I have a check box I have a I had what was previously an unchecked box that is now a checked box for sex. It's done It is handled in my life and I can now move on to all the other stuff that I want to spend my time on And make progress on every day. That's how I feel and I feel like culture should treat it that way It's just something you gotta deal with like it's it's basically it's like it's like yeah When people, you know, they they say that like sex is only a big deal if you're not having any Because if you're not having any you're gonna start to feel like you know Something's wrong and you're missing something and oh god. Oh god And then you get it and it's like well, it wasn't that big a deal and there are more important things, you know It's just it's just something If I could if there was like a hypothetical situation where I could have a partner for life Without worrying about the sex the sex aspect. I probably would Like you mean just like you could not fuck Oh, if it wasn't real, okay No, if it wasn't a real thing and I could just like I could I could marry a person that I like to hang around with Because you know Not nice people don't always have the big sex parts and if you don't get a person that you like Also has the big sex parts then Then I like a bitch with a big ol vagina. I'm talking Doubt or a knees my dude. You know what I'm real with a crow Of a volleyball I want to chomp down on my girl like a french tip. I'm gonna dip that shi-naz wee sauce and I'm gonna take a Real quote real quote from a friend of my girlfriend when I go down on a girl I want something to bite on to referring to pubic hair referring to pubic hair Okay, um What I was saying is No You were going on about beef curtains, I believe that's yes, uh like sex is like people either have the body they Usually like they just get a good sex body that is like sexually attractive But they may be a terrible person that you don't like and if you marry that person You will have a like you you'll be like a baby boomer. You'll be every old person ever You'll be unhappy and you won't Oh You're just you're describing you're describing me hippo a person with a great sex body and a terrible personality that you don't like Exactly, I would kind of But like if if sex bodies weren't part of it or either if you could augment your body really easily But that's it's expensive If sex wasn't as big a deal You could just worry about getting to it with a person that you like and want to spend time with and then Marriage makes a lot more sense and it's not even a big deal. I would like I would like to hug and cuddle people I just don't care about all the the squishy shit. Well, you can do that now. You know, you can just not I know I can do that now It's just uh That's what the whole discussion is about. It's societal pressure. You constantly think about sex I would slightly object to the idea that like you're just born as you are and you have to be that way forever Because you know, I'm a big self-improvement guy So I like unless you're born with like a cataclysmically tiny dick or you know Cataclysmically, that's the right word for it. Unless you have like some actual physical defect like if you're just like a under the weight of the What I mean by that is that I just wish I didn't feel certain ways about people who were attractive or not I wish I could just see people for their personalities. It's not possible because You know a person is made up of everything about them, but yeah, it's a nice My whole point my whole point is this it will just look my one point about this is just that like I understand all the frustration with sex. It's totally makes sense But life, I think it's appropriate that has intense extremely brutal back breaking struggles That we have to overcome if we want to get where we're at Well, that that means life will be full of suffering But when you achieve it, uh, you're just a better person for it and that's that's how I think about life a lot It's the whole uh, uh, don't wish for lighter burdens wish for broader shoulders. That's my it's my approach I think uh between hippo and munchie. We've touched on what I think is a solution for how sex can be handled in culture Which is simply to educate people better on like What what sex feels good? Because I think you're talking about dating ed classes press proposed by christian weston schandler. Oh, yeah, even though the idea sounds dated That's his joke. His joke not mine. Oh my god. That's a good one. What about What about dating ed with two d's double d my my favorite ed and eddie character? Why I thought it was a girl and then who I had to crush on because I thought it was a girl Uh-oh ladies get off your butts and date him Anyway, yeah, I think there needs to be more like education on like because basically all we tell kids is like Here's how to have safe sex. Here's the problems with sex try not to have sex when you're young But you're going to dangerous sex so instead what we should tell them is like hey Guess what if you go to some like random party and get drunk and fuck some random guy Probably gonna regret it in the morning However, if you find someone who you really genuinely care about who's gonna take care of you It might actually feel good. So maybe you should go find the reason for this problem. That's good You know religion forgive me for going full anarcho capitalist here But here's the problem. It's that uh Society at least in america has ab like parents have abdicated the responsibility of raising their kids to like schools And the state in a huge degree and so I mean in my life Not to shit on my dad But I really felt like there was a lot of things about how to be a man that I just never knew until like I looked Into like pickup culture and like my my late teens and twenties and then I learned like how to be a man The only reason I know anything about sex is that I watched so much fucking porn and I literally would ask women online about their sex lives Hey, baby. Did you order a sausage pizza that works every time? Well, every time I mean if you watch fucking like Try to watch the porn that doesn't feel fake and then you you'll feel like oh, okay. That's what actual you know a gang bang I literally remember the first time I ever saw like an amateur porn and was like, oh real sex looks like that Oh, like that's totally different from what I thought it looked like that is good to know That is good to know But like brazzers shit, you know, I would just like find people online that I could talk to And like ask them questions about like what was it like the first time you had sex? Like what is it like this said like just learn about it from asking people because like no one taught me the right information Everyone needs a An American pie style Kamina older brother guy who they can ask what sex feels like and how to do it Everyone needs a guy like that. I think that's important guys do at least and I I mean I'm definitely someone who like passed that kind of information on to like my you know Like like I'm gonna tell my brother like yeah turns out sex is great You should go try to have sex with that girl who you might want to have sex Tell us to victor. Yeah. Yeah After the first time I had sex, you know, I was probably like you got to you got to try this for yourself Like I mean shade beat us both through the punch So like we are aware that someone in the family was fucking, you know Thought it was cool But you know like if grace was a guy in fact, she probably well, I don't know I was just gonna say like our sister kind of became an independent person just like before ben or I She totally did either of us did and I don't know how it happened She just she just like I don't know she just felt like she wanted to be out in a row And then just became like an independent adult. I don't know. Yeah, my little brother's the same I think it's just a maybe a different like general Or maybe it's like he has experience because I'm the older brother and he just had a head start in his life about like That's how I knew what I knew when I knew it Like our sister always had more of a like a Adverse reaction to like like she didn't like like being in our parents I mean, you know, it wasn't like a huge problem or anything But she always like resisted more of like our parents control and like ben and I weren't happy about it and stuff It's weird that desire that urge to be free in the honor I hated living with our parents like I hated but we didn't have the spark to do anything about it But I didn't yeah, I didn't do anything about it Whereas grace like a parent like she was so into getting out of there like as fast as she could and then she did But she's like way tighter with the parents than I mean at least than I am Yeah, it's interesting. She like hangs out with them Yep, which I don't get at all I mean, that's how you that's how you leave the house like that's how you do That's how you ease your way out so your parents don't question it because they'll just be like If they see enough of you anyway, I think that's how I got away with fucking just taking Fucking may out away because I just kind of showed up out of nowhere And after like three weeks moved into a place with her and like yeah But like her parents are right there like her work was next to like her dad's house So it was like she'd go there all the time for lunch and so it didn't feel like she's gone Like she's kidnapped by some internet guy, you know, like that'll ease the transition Yeah, it's a good way to make them not you know afraid Oh, hold on fucking. Okay. Okay. Okay. Cease fire. Just give me like five minutes. Don't interrupt me because here's here's Here's the main thing I want to get on I I I you know, I can talk all day about how you know, uh, we we we should you know Sex is not like that like that pressure But it's like a minimal like fleeting high that you get you know, yeah, yeah Whatever the fuck here's the main thing here's number two time. Here's my main problem with sex Sex takes up so much fucking time. It's not radical. That's my biggest problem with sex too Did you just hear Did you just hear me say that I wanted you to be quiet for maybe just five minutes while I read my script that I've been writing all night That I could do for this one podcast Do you not think you can be quiet for five minutes? Here we go. Sex takes up It's not radical to say that takes like maybe like a fifth of your life It's not hard to talk about the sheer genocidal amount of time you're wasting thinking about Can I ask a question? Can I ask one question? It is is are you talking about sex or like pursuit of sex? I'll explain. You'll you'll see because okay. All right. Yeah, just wait I will I will Oh I I On average have masturbated two times a day for the past six months or around 30 minutes each That's an hour every day assuming there's three days in a month that is 30 hours that is 30 hours each month That's 120 hours in six months I have wasted a work week of my life in the past six months Obtaining the basic Uninspired bland boilerplate cheap flaccid unremarkable thrills that I've had a million times before And it's not even that's not even talking about the real thing Which is way longer than 30 minutes and that's not even talking about the immeasurably holocaustic Years we spend attracting people to have sex with the hours We spend putting on makeup by an uncomfortable clothes practicing our pickup skills Nate Nate how much time did you spend in japan practicing your womancraft confidence in your art life skills and this is Womancraft I'm a woman mancy woman mancy Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, woman mancy. This is not like the shit thing I'm just saying like like it is not that you you have spent thousands of hours of your life Dedicated to to pursuing sex. Is that inaccurate to say? well That is fairly accurate And the only thing I would say is that I think that these skills are related to lots of other valuable things That I discovered in pursuit, but okay, but that is true. That is. Yeah. I just said Okay, I don't think I spent like any time in my life at all pursuing sex What about masturbating that counts doesn't it? Yeah, that counts You know what I spent thousands of hours doing playing team fortress 2 I play that game and get the most powerful Direct dopamine stimuli in the moment and I can constantly reflect following the honest genius level design and art Style not only that but the fars me right have are playing that game with my friends forging unbreakable alliances That's that's a problem of sex is that you spend your time wasting away Literally and metaphor. No twiddling your clit waiting to have sex are hours You could be you're not trying to tell me that team fortress 2 is better than sex I literally am I literally am I literally am saying that I there's no video game I enjoy as much as I like having sex I will put that down. There's no I I can't think of anything I have had the conversation in my head while having sex is this actually better than dark souls and the answer is yes And I read three different tests That is a real thing Okay, the problem with sex is the same problem with mario odyssey All the rewards are the same level like you get a moon for everything you never get any higher rewards than just a moon It gets boring after a while That's literally true You make it out like like sex is just go until you come and then you're done like you can do other things Like it doesn't have to be about achieving the same like the you don't have to just be trying to get that same reward But there's only so much you can get Keep trying man. Keep finding new ways. What would you tell me there's some sort of secret alternate nuts? There's a secret alternative come I feel like it's not my god I want the butt This podcast I've been stimulating my butt and I've yet to butt come please help me Please That you can come emotionally What are you talking about? We're talking about I feel like I feel like what digi might be getting at is Knowing that someone truly cares about you is is good Well The intimacy involved with sex can lead to like like emotions that rush through your brain Other than just the one that you feel when you come, you know Like you can get these like different reactions like your brain can spike with chemicals from just like the intimacy of it Rather than actually from like your dick coming out, you know digi digi digi Everyone I I I under I understand what you're saying. I know I know I know that uh that fucking that feeling But the the thing about that is that much like the feeling of just the the physicality of sex and coming Is that that is fleeting that is extremely fleeting Have sex then just like pop out and just like wait a few moments like Instantaneously all the pleasure you have is gone It is only directly when you're doing the thing and like when you come from like like five seconds afterward that there is Anything what I consider. Okay. When I reflect on like my like when I reflect on sex I do not see like a morass of the same sex being had all the time I think about like different outfits that that were being worn or like what positions were used or what Furniture was involved or what like bodily fluids were spewed. What threats were made to uh To inducing Did you where do you see different positions and and different, you know outfits? I see different time Stamp numbers. I see different. I see different like like like amount of numbers that that have been consumed That's what I see the I just look at that stuff as an aesthetic experience Like the same reason like when I watch anime movies for instance Like I don't watch anime movies because of the like the incredible richness of Thematic depth and narrative I would read books for that if that was my main thing I like the aesthetics of anime and so there is always going to be like the aesthetic experience of it's just enjoyable for me To see this thing when you see like a movie you really love and it just looks great And you're like fuck every image of this looks amazing and I feel that way about sex I wanted to have all these different aesthetic experiences and like this time we're Wearing fucking schoolgirl outfits and pretending to be lesbians like that's oh god Yeah, exactly. Like that's like an aesthetic experience. No, you know I'm actually sympathetic to what you're saying here. That hasn't happened by the way yet I again, I do not think that sex is all bad or all good I I agree that like like I am not above the biology of myself I I am not above wanting to have sex and then feeling good You know during when sex is presently currently happening like right now I'm not above that that feels good. And when and when you lift your loved one, it feels even better I'm just saying that sex takes up way more time than I get out of it It is not it does not even remotely as good for it like like the the amount of time investment I get from playing team fortress 2 rather than having sex like like the amount of like joy two hours I spend is is holocaust You know here here's one point I would make to the contrary of this and I normally wouldn't make an argument like this But I do think it applies in this case and it's that Honestly, the best thing about sex for me is making the other person feel good. That is that is what I get out of it I get to experience them enjoying it and I completely agree. I I don't I don't disagree with that Okay, but it's just like if there's a lot of good that comes from that It's like the sex act is only one aspect and there's like the the appreciation that you get from the person and and and the bond that you form Doing this extremely intimate act that you can't share with like anybody else It's like a little private joke between the two of you because sex is a joke. We all know this um and So on that level on that level, that's not really a tangible thing But it's kind of an indirect tangible benefit, you know, you're working on building your relationship I don't agree Obviously, all these points are kind of retreaded from from, you know, famous listen buddy episode one and since listen buddy episode one I have had sex and I have spent many a more like hours of my life Ruminating thinking about since then and I've come up with way more nuanced approaches But because we're in this fucking hellfire podcast I have to condense all my real points and like like like condense memetic Well, okay, hold on Interrupts me Like every single thing I say I'm trying to help you Because I agree with you that sex takes too much time. Like I I think that is the biggest problem I have with it is simply that I mean, it's not to say that I'd rather be doing anything else It's just that like the amount of time makes it feel like I'm not spending enough time on other things I literally have cut out podcasts from my life entirely Because like I just don't have time to fuck as much as I do and also listen to podcasts You can just talk while you're doing podcasts I mean, it's not while you're listening while you're recording Dick Masterson's voice like talking about like Fucking some like libertarian politics or something while you're trying to fuck Like I'd rather just put on some trap music, you know She doesn't fucking a trap Do you have sex with trap music in the background? Dude like Denzel Curry is like my main fuck music I'm gonna come out. I'm gonna out myself. It's possibly a weirdo. I don't know how weird this is, but I do not like music I do not put on music for sex. I find it distracting I can't go my life without music. So like I have to Did you's a weirdo who always listens to music? That's not true. I feel like a lot of people Oh, yeah, I've never really been into it a lot of the time just not if I'm in the office Ben I I honestly like haven't experimented with listening enough to music to know whether I find it weird or not But I generally just like don't even think to bother doing it. Yeah. Yeah, that's what it like when I think about putting it on I'm like, wouldn't that be distracting? But like I don't like yeah Okay, well, here's here's the thing. I was growing up something with the other. Oh, I put on big crit the other day That was pretty good. That was pretty good. I love big crit Well, I growing up like always wanted I had so many songs that I had like listed as like these are like my sex songs Like I have a I have a playlist of sexy I had like a songs that I've had in mind like since I first heard them when I was 14 that I'm like I want to fuck to this song, you know And so like immediately the first time that like I had sex with bae I was like put together this playlist before we even started like I need to hear this song. What's on that? Can I get one? What's one song on there? I'm curious Oh, uh, come on over turn me on by mark lannigan and isabel cambell was the first thing on my list Um, uh prom night by annamon agucci was on. Oh, yeah, that's a good one. That's a good one That one's more of a make-out song though than a fucking song honestly Yeah, okay There are two things that I've wanted to do when I got in a girlfriend. Oh shut up to I feel it coming by uh, That's a great Fucking christ there there have been two things I wanted to do when I get a girlfriend One of them did you that mean you have on and over number one play kirby's epic yarn koa Yeah Number two is that when john and erin cemented their love. I mean danie and erin Same same same same. Okay. Um, and the and the second one was was from from raising gazorpazorp from rick and mori When when mori rushes down and drinks the entire carton of orange juice after coming I've always wanted to do those two things Does he really that's amazing Yeah, yeah, and I can see you doing that too because you drink or she's sick And then you run right back up and the noise begins again. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I I I've not I've not achieved but I'll keep you posted Let me I feel bad. I feel bad all those just muchy when you do that Just please post a single tweet with a single orange in the body of the tweet I will know we'll know I'm sorry to all of those people who have broken the pack I I'm still on your side I in fact this this just strengthens my case. This just just makes me more a champion of the people You have to dab on the dark arts to know how to defeat them. You have you have to understand your enemy before you can take them down Just think about that way. I'm I I'm I haven't turned I I haven't I haven't flipped my heel upside down Real desperate muchy. No, it's true muchy I When I think about this argument the way you're presenting it like if there was a magical switch before me That would just turn off like my need for sex At this point in my life, I would absolutely do it and I would just be like now I can just be productive like all the time. Well, nothing to worry about. Can you turn it on again? I'm gonna well I would keep it off most of the time But I would want no one gone for sex not not the capacity for sex. This is the need for sex not the capacity Okay, then yeah, I mean honestly it would have implications for my life I don't think it would change I don't think if I only turned off the need and not the capacity. I don't know if it would change enough Well, see that's interesting. What else do anyways because most of the sex I have is because I wouldn't really want it I don't want to do anything else like I'm we live in like a fucking frozen nightmare world where there's nowhere to go Um, so like most of what we do is stay inside My life is like this. I want every fucking second I can have to work on my extremely backed up catalog of projects that I have in the pipe So for me a single second I could spend more on that That's that's how I feel like though like I feel as though I wish I didn't have to spend as much time on that As I do like I already am spending so much time working and trying to get through all these projects and I wish that my projects were like One of them had enough impact that I didn't have to do them all the fucking time, you know Yeah, but that's the world we're in Did you do you think your life's going to change at all when you're in a not nightmare snow hellscape? Do you think that's going to change anything or do you think you're you're you're Submitted in this I mean we were we were going out a lot more before winter started like yeah It's it's just a matter of like our house is a little out of the way And um if it's it snows almost constantly throughout the winter So we have to dig out the car like out from under the snow every time you want to even use it, you know So it's like you know even taking a five minute drive to mcdonald's is a chilling effect Exactly I got the emotional nut when I made the joke and I mean it only just like three days ago Finally stopped being snow every day and now it's like kind of getting normal and we we've gone out more But like it's it's just like Yeah, I mean I would there's lots of things I like doing but there's only so many that you can do in the same day It's like once I've gone out like to gone out to eat gone shopping or something like done something outside That's fun. Maybe gone for a walk or something You know and then you you get online you do all your social media shit. You checked twitter You checked your comments. You've caught up on whatever youtube videos are out. All right now It's time to work. All right. I've worked to the exhaustion capacity of my brain Um, so where do I fill in the other like four hours that are there in the day that normally I would just sit there and listen to podcasts I don't I don't want to fill that time with more work because my I don't think I work well when I'm like forcing myself You know, okay, I I feel the opposite. I tend to follow follow the flow of whatever I'm inspired to work on at the moment You know, and if I'm not inspired to work on anything I can't work I don't get writer's block. I just I get writer's cock If I don't feel like writing any anime videos, I'll make a song, you know, or or vice versa, but you know Hey, I think Gibba's gonna say something. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just uh, here's here's my sex music I gotta try that actually Yeah immediately Well, we think of Sansa we think of riska Okay, well, I I'm disappointed. I I'm disappointed in what's happened here today I I was bragging my stuff. I was smirking. I was smiling ear to shining ear I was thinking about how I was going. This was gonna be my magnum opus Everyone's gonna remember my performance here on this procrastinator's podcast episode, but but I floundered I've just repeat what I've said in an attempt to to spit out my my ideals in a completely unnuanced Unpragmatic fucking retarded way and now people will just remember me as the guy who just is repeating listen buddy topics Even though and though I have thousands of words here They they they were completely squandered wasted and to go back and to read them again would just be trading old Ground again in this topic. So I'm disappointed and I'm upset. I think your main point I I completely agree with I wish sex took up less time And I think that really is the ultimate point you're trying to make here That's that's a utilitarian point and I completely agree with it. I also have that exact same desire I don't know It turns out that when you're not when you're like arguing like and like people have like actual defense lined up that they've been Considering ever since hearing You are you would be fucking banned from ever serving in a town council or any degree of citizenship You would be fucking exiled for your display here on this podcast for ruining my stone cold defense Of for being so good at arguing that I like For being so good at arguing that I just cut off in the middle of this You are a master technician. You have mastered politics and rhetoric digi You know every line of defense your philosophy is this all and this is at you Do we want to bring up migtails at all? You're a nightmare I I kind of do what is it? What is a migtail? Can wait maybe maybe the earthen dictionary can help us a modern day hero, uh, but let's find out Let's find out do you remember when me you and ney got mad at each other Or me you and bin got mad at each other at bad con too about migtails. Absolutely We had a big argument. What video was that? And that was in the It was in a blue glow. Yeah, it's on it's on a blue glow some way Here's the okay. Here's the definition of migtail top definition on urban dictionary men going their own way migtail Is the statement of self ownership where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty. Okay. This guy's obviously a migtail Above all else. It is the manifestation of one word. No. Oh my god. I'm getting inspired now I'm getting that emotional nut preconceptions and cultural definitions of what a man in quotations is Looking to no one else for social cues refusing to bow serve and kneel for the opportunity to be to treat as like a responsibility And living according to his own best interest in a world which would rather he didn't guys parents Are you going to get married and buy a house and start a family guy answers? No, I'm a migtail Oh This is me. This is me. I am the proudest migtail. Who's ever lived um Guy guy writing this nobody said you have to have a girlfriend. Okay. Well, this guy You know, he's he's drunk the Kool-Aid in a big way. That's fine Uh, uh, well, okay here. Let me I'll break this down super easy migtails See the very real challenge that is presented in society That is like a pressure to get a girlfriend and like judges you if you don't get one And they're just like this system is unfair. I like don't like it. I think it's not helpful I choose to not engage in it and then they just like sidestep it which which honestly morally there is no problem with that Morally that that's completely unobjectionable. People are allowed to do whatever they want. Yeah, but practically I don't get why it's Yeah, it's it's a weird label because it just gives people something to laugh at when they look at you Uh, well now they're not now they're not laughing at the fact that you don't have sex It's now that they're laughing the fact that you're a crazy man I don't think it's very crazy honestly. Like, I mean, I don't think someone's Deciding not to have sex is completely crazy to be militant about it Well, like a lot of migtails actually do a lot of migtails are into kind of like the pump and dump mentality Where like they'll fuck women like they there's still many want to have sex But like they don't want to shackle themselves with like a wife or you know a girlfriend or whatever to get out of town I mean, that's not I don't know. I don't see why it needs it. It just feels feet You know, oh no Well, here's the reason why it a label. I mean, I I again, I don't think being Identitarian about it makes is like a healthy thing to do But like there is definitely a real like a migtail is kind of like a feminist Like they recognize some injustices in the world or where they perceive to be injustices And they choose to like specifically oppose those and like reject these certain things And this is just the label to indicate that in this case These people are rejecting like society's pressure to like get a girlfriend and possibly have sex just like You know, maybe they'll just want to you know jack off all the time or whatever some some certainly do that And it makes sense But I just don't think it's productive and this is a very much a mentality of you know, the opposite of what I say You know, uh, uh, uh, these people want lighter burdens as opposed to broader shoulders without a doubt That's definitely What this means they're like we we reject this challenge of society and think it is unfair Which it is which it is not like a morally Justifiable position for people to put on you because you have no obligation to marry or reproduce morally speaking There is absolutely none but in a practical sense there is An impetus to do so which is why I certainly can't agree with this Well, because if you don't reproduce Yeah, because we want more humans we want more people to do stuff and like What if you're retarded? But I mean then it is a perfectly utilitarian position to say ah, my genes are bad I'm not going to reproduce that if your genes are fine then you should and Everyone should work to be definitely retarded. So no okay reproducing is about more than just genes if you Like even if you have fucking leukemia if you reproduce and you have a kid who also has leukemia But you are just a badass like entrepreneurial motherfucker who like achieve so much You will instill those values in your kid to some degree and like that will be a better person than some like welfare baby You know like I don't know piece of shit asshole who just was like my life suck somebody help me You know, so like there there's values outside of just genetics that you can improve in yourself I feel like like If if say if you want from a practical prep, a practical uh perspective You want the people who are good at adding to society to reproduce Uh so that they will instill values in the children Surely the people who are too weak to step up to the challenge don't we don't need them anyway I I hear what you're saying on that print the only way I even sort of disagree is just like I just don't think that like the getting the mig town message is actually a helpful thing Because there's going to be some people on the fence probably who could have gone one way or another And then like maybe if this wasn't a movement, they would have gone the other way and then like Built themselves and risen to the challenge, you know But I would also say that the opposite is like some people who don't who have like terrible They they they reproduce despite Their flaws as character as like members of society that add to it Like yeah, they they just happen to be in a place where sex is easy to get because everyone's easy or whatever Like like my trash place. Well, I just don't think that the mig tau like identity or movement is actually the best for the people in it I think what is best for them is to adopt an attitude where like self-improvement They accept that that that's their responsibility to obtain Happiness and what they want in their life and then to work towards it as opposed to just like, you know Saying like oh society's fucked. I choose not to engage in it because like they're the ones who are going to suffer ultimately for doing that so Yeah, I think it is irresponsible to just simply want more babies. I think we want more babies who have good parents If we had the same amount of humans, but just all of them were smart That would that would be way better than just having like like, you know, 25 more population But we can't we can't actually control that though. I mean, I'd certainly like to uh hashtag If if we're yeah, there's definitely ways to improve that if we focus more of our efforts on making people better Instead of just having there be more people by you know, like like like, you know Again, not promoting just having babies. Okay, but you don't have to only do one of those things It's not like one comes to the exclusion of the other and and on another level like practically speaking Economies need growth in the population to grow So like there is just an intrinsic good for an economy when there is population growth, you know Obviously to a saturation point, but that varies from place to place, you know America is nowhere near as crowded as india, japan, like in the cities, etc, etc There's plenty of room to grow population like economies need this sort of stuff. But god, I don't fucking care about this Let's talk about something else. This is this is I was interested in just talking about migtails in the context of like people who Like there's this sexual it's it's the same stuff we were talking about before like there is a sexual impetus on men Like to go out and conquer and you know, like get sex because then they'll be thought of as cool guys and migtails like reject that and Morally speaking make sense what they say. I cannot refute what they're saying. I thought migtails were about having sex But not all of them. There's there's there's subdivisions within the migtail movement. It's a fractured a fractured populace A nation divided Why would you call yourself a migtail if you're not the one of the crazy ones? Like it's like calling yourself a brony if you just watch the show people are going to assume you're a pedophile as well Because it's fun to label yourself. I mean that's my argument about literally all labels Like why would like that's right? Like there's a lot of people who want to try to like reclaim labels I think that's the problem is like the reclamation like people who um, you know insist on calling themselves like Like oh, like I am a feminist because I'm I'm in favor of like, you know Women having equal rights and it's like well most people when they hear that word don't think that's what you're about You know, so like you might as well like move on to a new term, you know Like that's how I feel about like pretty much any label is eventually it's going to get diluted And it's going to seem like the the most extreme part of it is like what people associate with it, you know Yeah, I think Identitarianism of any type is the largest problem in humanity. I think it is the root cause of so many issues I'm a big towel By the way, well just while the term Shout out. Yes. Here's a song that my girlfriend likes to sing Uh, welcome to my life as a female meaghtow welcome to Yeah, thank you. I was laughing about it, but it was really funny. Uh, I like it. It's it's good though My female meaghtow life Okay, I'm was that before the podcast that you like hit us at that that was before and so I had to insert It's okay. I I had to inseminate it into the oh, that's right. I had to impregnate this, uh podcast Again, the the core meaghtow belief again is something that like I I I I do believe that it is not Again, as I've been saying, I don't I don't think society should pressure people into thinking that sex is just inherently like like as as You know important as we now think of it, you know, I think it's perfectly fine to not want to participate in it But you know, like like obviously, you know They have like a somewhat reasonable idea if you take the most mundane aspects of it But you know, they're they're militant. They're warriors. They're s. J. W.'s in their own right and that is You know in a sense in a sense Yeah, in a sense In in a sex I've zoned out I think we're pretty much at the tail end here. Are there any final points to make? Yeah Here are my testimonials for what I've said earlier today. Here's testimonials for what I've said I'm on team munchie. Ben saint. I gotta say munchie's argument were a lot more convincing Even though I've previously enjoyed sex in the past. I'm starting to reconsider its merits Wait, wait, who's saying this whose words are these anti sex campaign? Did you ben saint said this? Wait, I said this. I did not say it's you. Oh, this is digi's words. Okay. Back to me again Yeah, I have my name. It was about me. Ben. Ben. You said I'm on this is on the the the uh Collins I'm listening to episode one. I'm on team munchie. Then digi bro says I gotta say munchie's arguments were a lot more convincing even though I've previously enjoyed sex in the past I'm starting to reconsider its merits and they consider joining munchie's anti sex campaign Okay, for what it's as you can see in that video munchie's argument Untainted by recent insatiable lust for femdon femdom high heel penis Drubbings your opinions have been laid bare if you were to go back on them now You would be changing your mind and your credibility would be shot down instantaneously for reconsidering your flea Because digi bro is so known for having consistent beliefs Because he's totally not known for being a flip flopper on literally everything Yeah, uh, but the problem is that he talks with so much authority and that's a big problem for me Pretends like you're the fucking expert like what the fuck guys? What the fuck? Um, you'll delete yourself from real life. So so so you so you heard it from digi bro sex is all back You heard you heard it here. Yeah, there it is. We settled the question all bad You got my vote. You did have a stronger argument in that podcast, which is why why I said that Hashtag assassinate president trump so that his son munchie j trump can rise to the throne And it hasn't outlaw uh sex. That's what I want It's the only way we can make this happen. That's the only avenue available to us at this moment I hope you guys like I you guys remember when I hope you like this. I hope you enjoy with a lady That was a problem for me. Yeah, we need to upturn that apple cart and really go back to basics of you know, uh enslaving, uh, you know Everyone that's what I want I hope you still like us everyone. I hope you still enjoy us. I hope you still enjoy our company I hope you haven't left. I hope you haven't thought that we've gone downhill and they've been jacking their little Baby dicks this whole fucking time. This has been a dream come true for that. Yeah, this podcast has been great Well, there you go, are we are we reading comments? It's time for comments. It's time The the moment has come, uh, of course. Okay. Here we go at lobotanist. Oh wait, you know, this is a great question Uh, is there a death? Oh, right at lobotanist. Is there a death pool for the irl rad country arena? And how did you bet explain death pool? What is this man's talking about a death pool is when so so uh at Fucking rad con three funded happening, uh, there will be the the fucking rad con three arena irl Where we shoot each other with real real deadly nerf bullets do each other firearms And and there has been no betting pool, but there should be stakes. He's right. There should be stakes to this event Absolutely add some sort of, uh, you know, the loser doesn't get to eat the steak dinner That's the stakes Only the loser gets the dinner has to make dinner The loser has to make dinner for the rest of the people But there's but everyone's a loser. How about all the losers have to make the most decadent dinner for the one winner? Okay, how about like at the dinner like like how about everyone eats? But like the winner like it arranged an order of of like winner Like the winner gets the most sumptuous banquet and the loser gets And we're like arranged at the table from like winner to loser Yeah, I don't know. I think there should be some kind of hierarchy based on On how to perform. We've all just instantly like come conclusion. Yes. They like the reward will be dinner related I like it. I think it's a good Wait, how about like how about like, um, I don't know. Maybe like they're become like for one day There's like a chain of command or something and like Like everyone has to like obey the people above. Let's get let's get real sexy with it and be like the losers The losers have to do whatever the winners say Every do emotional bukkak Oh, yeah, you just have to just shower me with compliments You just have to shower me everyone gathers in a circle It just jacks off their emotions onto my face. I want that. That's when I win. That's what I'm going to ask Or maybe I don't know we we could bet something like we could bet something not money because that's boring I want the loser to suffer and die It has to be dinner Uh, uh, what about uh betting our uh, subscriber Okay, oh only we had been famed subscriber betting pool. Everyone puts up everyone bets subscribers Yeah, we've all got 10k I think or like around there and then we transfer like we transfer them to the winner like based on some mysterious process We have yet to invent Oh, that'd be awesome. Um, that'd be great. By the way, everybody just in case you hadn't noticed, uh, uh, I don't know if I said this before did we talk before about how fucking, uh, the we are max reviving t-bap It fucking happened. Did that did that get brought up last episode? No, no, because we didn't know No, but I've got some uh related questions I can ask such as thalamus dred from our patreon exclusive discord group asking How do you feel about the kickstarter doing as incredibly as it did even reaching the game tier you never thought it would make? Uh, it's unbelievable. That was literally a joke. It was literally a joke $9,001 to max revive t-bap, uh, but we thanks for the money guys and we will use it to make rad con as dope as fucking possible How I feel about it doing as incredibly as it did is that I probably fucked up really bad by not reading Any of the discussion that happened around rad country at all Um, or what any of the stretch goals were and so therefore I did not at any point raise my voice and say Hey, let's make a stretch goal so that we just get paid To do this like a like a stretch goal of like $5,000 higher than what we need to make it possible And then that's the money that just goes to us For the as a matter of fact that already is kind of in the thing like it's in the thing that Yeah, whatever money is just left over after the thing it just gets given to us We are going to spend it on rad con as much as possible Yeah, I made the mistake of only saying and it would cost me a hundred dollars because I was travel cost But because I decided I want to stay in a hotel instead I will definitely be operating at a gigantic loss for rad con 3 if I had known that it was going to make so much money I would have just asked for more money to go I would have been like, oh, I cost 300 dollars to have me or or however much everyone else would say Would we have actually given you money for a hotel outside of rad con? I would have just told you that my travel cost was 300 dollars and lied and Okay Or at least 300 dollars for it to be worth it for me to come like well, there you go. You know there you go But I'm glad we can have you on board. I'm glad You're you're a credit to the force. Yeah, okay. What else is going on? Uh No, that's bad. Uh, what at doombox two asks what's the most underrated thing? What's the most underrated thing? Sex uh the the core of the earth Under homestuck Selvis homestuck. Yeah I mean, it's highly rated, but not nearly enough. It's definitely underrated compared to the cultural like force that it is Like I guess that's true. It should be recognized as being One of the greats, you know, like the fans the fans love it, but nobody else. Yeah Nobody who has like anybody who hasn't read homestuck and is not a big fan Thinks it is like literally they just beyond their comprehension. Like that's true You're gonna watch arm retrieval we eat you into it. Fucking check out arm retrieval arm retrieval con three was funded By the way guys arm retrieval con three is definitely gonna happen. That's right. And steiber gonna be there fucking dope as hell Check out arm retrieval Incredible. Okay. I got another question for y'all. This is from uh horse power He asks what's the biggest project you ever wanted to make but don't have the know-how yet or time Mmm the know-how or time and not the money or resources Yeah, like you literally you don't know how to make this thing and that's why you haven't made it A musical I would like to make a musical that is what I On the stage on the stage. Yep. That's it for for me. It's an ARG I I is that gonna be the revival of tbap. That's what yeah tbap. IRL is gonna be I I want to keep doing small Japanese juggalo ARG so I can grind my skills to make an actually good real ARG That's a good idea. I want to make an actual real marble hornets The only problem is like the the one problem that I have with trying to do a marble horns Is that eventually like, you know one day I will have the patreon and okay. Here's my problem with marble hornets Well, wait, hold on. Okay, but I can't like just be like here's my new series guys. It's my horror ARG I can't just get announced that it is an ARG and I'm behind it So it's you know, how am I going to let the people know that I'm not doing nothing And let them know of my new content. You gotta wait for that You need that frog fractions word of mouth. It's the only way It's the only way dude. What if what if this was like a like a secret hint and it's already out Oh By the way, my Go ahead. Go ahead. No, I was just gonna say I've also tried to launch ARGs a bunch of times or like tried to work on them But it is like daunting to make it like big enough to be like noteworthy, you know Yeah, especially because you're risking nobody giving a shit and then exactly like when I was working on one Like what was it two years ago when I was trying like really trying to launch this ARG And I made a whole ton of footage for it for all these different videos and stuff And then I was just like the amount of time it will take to complete this Like for a chance that no one finishes this like no one sees all this footage. It's just like I can't take that risk, you know Did you you you helped create the japanese juggle ARG the most successful ARG of all time? Something to be celebrated for there I I want to learn like need the know-how in the time to actually produce a good rock album Yeah, that isn't just a bunch of me fucking around with guitars and not knowing and or caring how to record properly Like I want to do it right. I want to actually have like songs That's what I want Hippo think about it. You you have two unique skills and no other PCP people do you have 2d animation skills And you have music skills that those are two unique. Oh, I guess digi Actually, never mind. Never mind. Did you can't animate? I mean he is a reviewer He's not an animator. Yeah, okay. That's true Um, yeah Ben what about you? I think maybe like the ultimate magnum opus and I have no plans for this at the point This is just off the top of my head, but some kind of like some kind of like big like comprehensive like Volume or tome kind of like like house of leaves or something But like, you know, obviously there'd be illustrations So I'm thinking something like jimmy corrigan the smartest kid on earth that has like, you know, a big like A big like dense like, you know world and characters and history that's all kind of like You know, just all all in one big volume that might be something Someday thinking about my answer to this the problem is that like it's the biggest problem you've ever wanted to make So that would just be some video game I wanted to make as a kid because obviously that's like I think video games like the biggest projects that are like in modern media probably. Um, but like as for Currently like biggest project I want to make but don't have to know how yet would just be any masterpiece Like I just want to know that I've made a masterpiece that people recognize as a masterpiece And I just don't think I am good enough to do that yet, you know But what would that masterpiece look like? I don't know like it could be a youtube video It could be I don't know like By what means I have it in me to create something that would be like recognized the way like infinite jest is recognized, you know, like What well digi your dream is a farce because you've already made a masterpiece a measurement man on modal solitude Can I go on a tangent about infinite jest for a second? Okay. Um, um something Okay, this is not like a new observation, but it's something that I've like come to terms with okay Well, like when I first was introduced to infinite jest it was like, oh It's this big complicated work and everyone's like in awe of its like sheer size and scope and I was like whoa neat And I mean the more I've thought about it it took me like two years to read and I was like, okay That was pretty neat. I get it. But the more I've thought about it the more I think that really the reason it's famous Is not because of what it is I mean what it is is noteworthy and people probably would have taken note But I really think that it's just because of the reputation the dfw had And like I think the fact that he made it and that people knew him And that this was coming from him was probably was like a really big part of where it's like the recognition for it came from It's hard to I mean anything that fucking out there like you have to be known You know like james joyses ulysses would not be famous if james joys hadn't already been famous, you know Yeah, which is that's interesting like it's it that's like I guess that's true of everything that like things get notorious Like based on like, you know, like the notoriety of their creator and that's just like an inherent thing Like people are attached to people the names and identities and stuff, but uh Is your is your point kind of that the book is a little bit less deserving of all the discussion and praise I think that there's a lot of legitimate criticism you could have with the book Like the book is really like sure like it's known for its size and scope and those are undeniable But like it's pretty fucking meandering a lot of the time and like messy and sloppy and paced really weird Which is I guess is kind of inevitable with something that size But like, you know, those are real problems I think you could I think you could reasonably argue that it isn't the masterpiece that everyone says I don't know if I necessarily don't think that it is, but I think there's an argument against it It's interesting to go on a tangent from your tangent The only thing that's made me want to read infinite jest is is knowing that the author killed himself It made me think like wow, he's not like a pussy like he's actually killed himself Like how he's like Like like I get the impression that he's like he like says he's like depressed or something And I didn't like whenever like authors say like, oh, I'm depressed and they're believing but like he actually killed himself He was actually depressed like wow Lots of people are you got to look into the japanese author Mishima. I don't remember his first name But uh, he was a guy who like wrote about like the aesthetic beauty of like the human body and everything He was like a big workout dude big like body improvement guy But he was also radically anti-government And like he literally this is just an author But he like like led an attack on like a military base Like killed a bunch of people and like made demands that like they like shut down the government And of course they didn't so he committed seppuku and uh got his friend like chop his head off This isn't like the 60s. Holy shit. Yeah It's it's crazy when like people that like artists like go on to do real things Like there was they really were committed to be fake. Yeah We're supposed to be actually doing like they're these are just people that write stuff They they write fiction like there was um, there's a one hit wonderland about Beds are burning by some australian band and like it turns out that it's like a it was like a very politically motivated band And like now that guy is like part of the australian like parliament or some shit And he's like people underestimate like how much like I think there is a lot of people who do music and stuff Like that who might actually have more insight into what's going on and that's why they're doing art Is that they're trying to let people in on like they're trying to fucking woke you you know with Like you know what this this is actually great. I'm glad we get on to this because like okay Here's a problem I have with guys like like fucking a nerd writer Nerd writer will spend his whole life writing about how much you should feel like oh this thing is so special It's so important But like what the fuck is he gonna actually do to like achieve any of this shit? He's talking about like I feel a pain every day that I am not a scientist or an engineer currently working to like Make better rockets to get human beings into space It it consumes me that I am like just a guy talking about anime and like I talk about the themes That like so I'm no better I'm no better than this guy, but like with him because he's so popular It's just he's just like giving people these emotions to like feel a certain way and to me It's really cheap But my core message behind everything I do is improve yourself Fucking lift weights eat healthy be a better man You know or women whatever and achieve something with your life and all I think about is is what I'm doing right now Actually making the world a better place probably not and that really fucks me up and then You know, so like I'm thinking about like am I really? Passing along the message. I actually really sincerely care about passing on to people about self-improvement and you know Whatever like I get out of stories like ghost in the shell and uh a gurren login like important themes I think are I want people to really hear I want them to actually think about what the fuck I'm talking about You know what I mean, I mean I care I care that I'm not doing that pisses me off I feel similarly, but I I look at my um Because I constantly get messages from people that are like, you know Oh, you were an inspiration for me to do whatever and like sometimes it's something. I'm like cool I'm glad you were inspired to do that sometimes I'm like, maybe you shouldn't be inspired to make a youtube channel if you're You know not gonna be dedicated to it and do a good job. He's brilliant I'm working to my house to be just like you exactly If you do if it's something like that. I'm like, no be careful, you know um but Like because I do inspire people and a lot of people have just told me things like you know Your videos help me get through the day or like I don't want to kill myself anymore because your podcast came out I'm like sick. So to me. I'm like, okay I'm clearly doing a service for humanity in that sense But then I can also go into my watch time like my total watch time and it's like 100 years of human life or Exactly or six hundred years something like that and I'm just like, okay Well, have I have I inspired enough people to like make up for how many have died just watching? Dude, I just think about you claimed an entire human life and a half. I've claimed like six. Hold on I gotta go look at the actual number. It was something like please pull that number up It was several human lives. The best comments I get Occasionally I'll get like tweets or whatever about people saying like dude you videos inspired me I have lost like a hundred pounds because I took responsibility for my life. I have where I just got a message like that the other day Uh that like what a fucking hero that guy is and I am so happy that I actually made a fucking difference in the world It actually meant something the shit that I say that is what actually matters Uh, the people about making people feel good a little bit. That's fine. All I care about is actual results Okay, they're being achieved by this shit. Yeah, what do you got? What's your number? My total watch time for the digi bro channel is 618 years There you go. That's like six or seven lives. Maybe more Depend. Yeah, I mean if we're the 75 what what's the current fucking like life expectancy? I don't know That's like eight to nine ten lives. Whatever's ten lives. I think it's like I think it's like high 70s 78.74 Are we doing another question? Well, wait, what I want to say was like the most important thing is Gibb sometimes says this Gibb has made videos about this very point and I think it is so true It's that like inspiration is fleeting Inspiration is fleeting all that matters to me is that the people act on inspiration and actually start to make changes in their life And do something if people watch my fucking galco video and like you're like a hot slut Who's like, why is everyone so mean to me? Why is everyone, you know, like why can't people just appreciate that? I'm a nice girl and then they watch my video and they're like, yay someone like Hot girls can be nice like okay, great. But how are you going to change your life? How are you going to be a better person as a result of this? That's what matters But gibb here is completely right in his videos where he says like this is such a fleeting thing You'll watch this video. You'll forget about it like 99% of people It won't make any fucking difference in the world and I feel like nerd writer shit captain christian shit and end me End me. Well, that's that's like most of what it is disposable Like positive feelings, but like guys like elon musk like elon musk founds space x is like, okay Let's make rockets. I want to hire people to make rockets. Uh, oh No one exists in the world qualified to make the rockets. I want to like advance the human race Okay, luckily I personally am willing to work to understand this So he becomes the own lead engineer for space x because no one in the world was good enough So he did it and now we just had the falcon heavy launch that executed, uh Fucking like land like upright landings of rockets that will allow The cost of like flight of space travel to go down by like 50 percent Which means 50 more launches, which means we're that much closer to colonizing like the moon Actually having civilizations on mars like actual real tangible benefits That's what fucking matters in this world. Not this bullshit emotional shitty stuff that I do on youtube But how did the dark night rises make you feel? I don't give a shit shot composition. I don't oh my god shot composition All that stuff all that stuff is hui's law Which is good because it baits people in to actually like listen to your message But if that message isn't good or isn't there that you've wasted everyone's time I could not give a shit about this true at all. I think a lot. I know we disagree here I think a lot of the point of aesthetics and of art in general is not just about like inspiring you to do better But helping you to understand yourself I think there's a lot of people because of the fact that no one educates us that well on like Psychology or understanding our place in the world or like what the hell's going on because both our teachers and parents don't really understand that Shit, like we need art in order to show us like what the hell's going on in my mind Like why do I feel this way? Are there other people who feel this way? Do other people understand like for me? Obviously like gur gurn lagan was like a clarifying vision of like something important to me So okay, and I think when you can package that in an aesthetic that like okay gur and lagon Is the same story that's been told a thousand fucking times. It's a hero's journey narrative But like it's in an aesthetic that resonates with the specific type of person that is the two of us, you know Like guys who currently are in like their late 20s who were probably in their late teens when the show came out And it had like a massive impact because it's like this is the bombastic over-the-top Epic thing like style and hyper masculine style that was big in the late 2000s Fucking it came out like a year after 300, you know, like this is what we wanted was like sloganeering Bare-chested like dudes fucking punching each other and um Yeah, so it was like tasty fucking snacks is what we wanted. Yeah. Yeah Exactly. So that was like the perfect Like the perfect delivery of this timeless message that everyone needs to hear in order to grow up But like for us, this is the aesthetic that mattered the one that resonated with us because we're from that generation You know, yeah, okay Okay, I'm totally happy to like Let's give everyone whatever aesthetic they personally need to become a better person Whatever the delivery package needs to be for people to understand the message. I am all for Speaking about what it is and exploring it and I think to your point You're saying that like, I mean, we don't exactly we can't like identify this shit Which is why we need people to go out there and make art so that people will feel that there's lots of stuff They can resonate with and they can seek it out and enjoy it. Um, yeah, okay. That's a pretty reasonable point I don't know. Sometimes I feel like art is just a big fucking scam Sometimes I feel like art doesn't actually do anything and it's all just uh, You know, it's all just crap that makes you feel good in the moment And uh, people are just being tricked into thinking it's important. What do you guys think about that? I see a point with you, but like it's it's all a matter of like, how do we quantify it? Like how I can't fucking there's no stat sheet that tells me like how many people I've inspired Like, you know, I don't have the analytics for that, you know, I don't have the net good on the world analytics It's in some way Somebody making a living off of art Is worth it for at least the people who know the artists and our friends with them Because then that improves their life I think it's like, I mean at the very least I'm stimulating the economy in a way I wouldn't be if I wasn't doing anything, you know, yeah, that's true only if only if you're putting it back Oh I I agree with you so much in the fact that it is just appeal It is just that you are appealing to people and they like what you have made. There's no inherent You know responsibility for art to inspire to do any real work real world things that is not Intrinsic to art that is that that is well, I would I would never say that artists have to do that I would never say that but I would think like the most valuable art or perhaps even the only art that is actually valuable Does do that I guess would be my point well Sure, I would I would just say the where I where I just agree with you Ben is that uh, I don't think it's just in the moment I think if you make good art people will remember for a long time And as I've said before in the in the sex part of this I think uh fleeting highs are the most despicable highs and if it can just last a long time Then I think that's more valuable. Here's here's my problem I think that generally okay art can inspire people But I feel like in general what it mainly inspires people to do is to make more art Which if if it's just like a big self self inflicting loop a big like, you know A self perpetuating cycle of art inspiring more art, but the art itself is not really getting us anywhere I mean you can say that but like literally every scientist talks about how they were inspired by star trek That's a reasonable point everybody. That's a reasonable point I think there are some all the art that's out there is inspiring people to become scientists But like we gotta throw enough darts at the wall until somebody's thing sticks Like that how many sci-fi franchises existed before star trek like was the one that made everybody fucking want to do that Unpopular opinion when I hear like someone like I don't know Fucking kneel to grass ties and be like, yeah I was I love flash gordon so much as a kid that I went into physics and space an astronomy I roll my eyes so fucking hard. What why because it's fake shit because that's like fake fictional shit and like Real science is boring I don't know. I just I don't quite get the like how can like how like like okay like flash gordon Maybe make space look really cool, but then you grow up and you're studying real space and it's not like flash gordon I don't know how that I don't know how that could possibly inspire like a real lifelong interest and fascination enough to sustain like A real career. I feel like those people don't have to maintain the probably had the interest Already like maybe they probably would have been inclined to do that Anyway and flash gordon just happened to be the thing that like at that moment got them to take notice of it I don't know if I agree with that. Hold on. I gotta Okay, sure Just like I'm thinking about because um my friend ghost lightning got into tennis because he watched prince of tennis Like that show like watching it marathoning it with this wife made them want to get into tennis The thing is that once they got into tennis and they started watching real tennis They quickly realized that that show is like utterly nonsense like it's ridiculous But they ended up loving real tennis and it What actually happened is they just thought that prince of tennis was dog. Shit, but they love the sport Like now they just watch fucking baby steps and like in real actual tennis matches and like have fun with it So like it's not that flash gordon was a good representation of science It's that once they started doing science they realized it was great and there's so many people who have the opposite Like there's so many people who try to get into something because they liked this show and then they realize it's not like that Like there was a huge boom and people trying to get into crime scene investigations after csi got popular But like once you actually start up that course load. It is not easy Dude, did you hear did you see there's like, uh, uh, there's a fucking, uh, I think was the canadian government Like posted a notice saying please stop applying for uh, like, uh, crime scene investigation degrees We have too many people like you can't get a job. Please stop like the shows are just too popular How okay, okay, let's let's take it for granted that like A show or something can inspire By the way, hippo really has to be given like can be credited as like the reason why someone gets into some Important practical field like science or engineering. Let's just accept that as true. Um How okay, even if that's happening How do we know that the number of those cases aren't far outnumbered by people who like maybe would have gone into a real field But instead spent their life just fucking around on the internet just spent spent their life drawing some art And maybe entertaining some people but not that's what I worry about thing I I think we're being really fucking narrow-minded and what we view as I don't know the word just positive Be okay. I'm somewhat being a devil's advocate right now by the way being alive is good and enjoying Breathing and being good. Yeah No, no incorrect I of culture and Having a heart and a soul and a dick and a brain Okay, and enjoying Living and talking to your fellow humans and feeling emotion and conversing muchy. This is all bullshit. I don't care about at all No, no, I totally agree like I do Think that just like enjoyment itself is like sufficient end in and of itself or a thing to be important. I agree What literally what is the point of advancing human civilization? Okay, civilization is just boring and nothing Okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit. There's there's a distinction here I do actually think there was an inherent good in human life and human like happiness and pleasure I I I do believe that But I would say that there is I here's where I would When rarely one of the rare times I would use the word objective I would think it is objectively better if there is more Happy like more people and more enjoyment and more happiness And I just like I think the way to get there is to constantly be progressing from lifetime to lifetime You know generation to generation to be working towards expanding the circle of how much happiness You know knowledge and pleasure. There is the world, you know, obviously every life should have not too much pleasure I I don't understand how you think that that like like the like Well, this is really what you think. Okay. Okay. Go. Okay. It's very simple If you have one person just living a life You know, normal level of happiness normal level of sadness They live their life and they die as opposed to two people Both have a normal level of happiness generally pretty happy lives. They both live and they both die Which of those is objectively a better universe like where has more good happened? I have a rebuttal of it, but I'll let you finish More people being happy is better. I'm saying, where do you think the happiness comes from? Where do you think this happiness is? It does it does come from the subjective experience of being alive. That is true. That is true It comes from culture. It comes from being in a society and being in a civilization Like like the point of progressing civilization is that there is more civilization and culture and humans But here's what I don't like. I I would not be satisfied with the idea of like We keep the exact same number of human beings that are alive right now on the planet earth And we just like stay right here and everyone's like happy. I don't know where this idea I don't know who you're responding to with this. I don't know I think what Nate is trying to say is that if all we do is worry about art Then everyone just becomes an artist. We're not worried about expanding the civilization going out to space and all that This is not this is not is is sex all good or is sex all bad? This is not do we only focus on culture or do we only focus on I just don't think there's any disagreement here And I don't know why you're taking the attitude like we do disagree like what is your issue with what I have said Not not with what you have said I I just thought that we were being like like Ben was talking about how like, you know Oh, it's all fucking scam like like sure like I don't think we need to be discussing Whether whether art has any like intrinsic like objective value here. Is that not a fair discussion to have? But I just think it's it's it's it's narrow-minded. It's it's not There's no sounds like it sounds like you're just taking a position in that discussion Which is fine, which is having the discussion. Well, okay. I'm I'm okay sure that this is my opinion then in this discussion This is what I'm presenting. Okay, is that I think that art is important And I think that it doesn't have to have objective Value do we want to answer another question? Yeah, let's go to another one All right, let's do it. Um Much has been disproved. He has been proved incorrect. So let's move on. I'm ready to move on This is a question I I'm gonna choose to interpret a certain way the guy said The guy's name is lord legend of the galactic hero sucks space dandy wins. That's a name Um, his question is what would your real life theme be and I've chosen to interpret this as in your theme like As if you were a work of art. What is your theme? I think he means musical theme, but okay Like the motif of your life, yeah, yeah, what is what is your theme? How much I can fuck how many sluts I can fuck Uh, that is a that is a great question The theme uh, the theme of my life would definitely be utilitarian progress. I know it's boring I know it's obvious, but that's like what it is. So, you know, fuck you Mine is some masculinity. I don't know whatever. Did you say toxic masculinity? No, I said some themes Oh, that's what it is. That's what it is. All right. All right. Go ahead. Hey, is Is toxic masculinity real? Let's talk about that. Okay. Toxic masculinity is just the idea that masculinity is inherently like bad It is no no. No, no. No, I don't think that that's masculinity is when someone is being toxic in a way that is related to their masculinity I think I don't know. Well, okay. Let's see what urban dictionary. Let me just read the urban dictionary real quick. Why did we why are we talking about this? Toxic masculinity a social term that describes narrow rep repressive type of ideas about the male gender role That defines masculinity as exaggerated masculine traits like being violent unemotional sexually aggressive and so forth Also suggests that men who act too emotional maybe aren't violent enough or don't do all these what the fuck is this? I don't understand this definition. This is terrible. Yeah, that's very good. This is not helping me. Um, Well, the theme of my life would probably be like, um, yeah trying to be understood Like a desperation for like like a mutual understanding Or something like that Okay, the theme of my life would probably be like I don't know, um freedom Independence, I guess, you know living Just living on my own terms. Yeah. Yeah, that sounds about right Which is great by the way I would say irony Retrospection Fun I feel like you're I mean, you're like the most sincere person I know. So how is irony a theme of your life? He's pretty ironic too though. He's like post ironic though. Yeah, that's kind of true Because the way that I express my my inner emotions is presenting them not as You know the nuanced or the most, you know, gently put things in the world I I progress them to to an insane degree and make them appear foolish even though they they are how I feel I don't know if I I do want to express my sincere thoughts sincerely By the way, I your theme was performance Performance works too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's also good. I would probably probably say irony performance fun I just want to I feel like I left that thread hanging. I just looked up the definition of toxic masculinity on wikipedia Which which is much clear. It's much clear It's just the concept of toxic toxic masculinity used in psychology to describe certain traditional male norms of behavior In the united states and europe that are associated with harm to society and men themselves So, okay much clear. You're just saying some aspects of Socially conceived masculinity masculinity is just the bad kinds Yeah, but like who defines bad and good. Well, I mean, yeah, that's the kicker Like you like I guess it would be up to the individual side. What is and is not toxic And I I guess I'd say there's a problem in here I don't know like masculinity is another form of Identitarianism to like define yourself as like masculine. So I guess that's kind of I don't know I don't really see a lot of value in doing that either but whatever. It's just good to run your shit We only got one more good question left. Okay. I found Yaboy Liam asks Good remedies for the worst days With a good question mark at the end good pussy, my dude I like to draw Drawing is good. Oh, I would literally say exercise I would literally say exercise and here's why first of all exercise has a actual physiological positive stimulus once you're done with it You just feel good and then also if your day is shit, you probably feel like oh, no I fucked up everything everything's going bad to to obtain mastery over something in your life Like to exercise and feel like I did it like I have control over this. I am good It just makes you feel like better about your life. I was gonna say I was like for kind of the same reasons I was gonna say just accomplishing something like yeah For one you have to have a goal like you have to have something you're working towards Like making making some progress even a little bit of progress on it like before bed or something We'll make you feel like your day wasn't completely wasted. That's so true That is so true Nate on exercise and one specific thing that that I don't do a lot But I should do because every time I do it. I absolutely love it. I love jelking. You talk about jelking my dude. Oh, yeah Yeah, okay. Oh my god. Oh my god the secret we have we have to do the jelk cast next week But I'll just do it. It's just Jelking As hard as you can grasp your order of as hard as you can Yes, and pull pull for the fucking life of your stuff. Okay It is literally where you you do like little pulls on your dick as an as an exercise to like Tear it a little bit so that it gets bigger. It doesn't exit to make your dick That's what it is. It's what it is I mean, no it gets results Oh boy, what was I saying? I was saying Yeah, a good jelk my dude Jel that I fucking that that happened to me earlier today that it has changed my life I'm just gonna do this every day now. Okay, there's an app like you can get on your phone called brain.fm And it's something like like weird. I think real science, but it might be suicide They have tracks of music that that they claim like changes, you know, they put your brain in a mood So you can have your brain focused. You can have your brain go to sleep. You can have your brain relax So put your brain in different moods So I put on the focus track on brain.fm and I went for a walk I swear to god, this has enhanced my by perception 10 fold I was aware of everything that fucking moved I was inside of the fucking earth and I was feeling every single vibration and nuance on the fucking earth's field I was one with all of god's children I was walking from just from like my house to my local 7-11 and I had this fucking music on And I was aware of every like change of the light or any like homeless person out of the corner of my eye I I was more alert than I ever been in my entire fucking life. It fucked me up and it was insane I highly recommend everyone. I also got this awesome energy So and it was the best fucking drink I've ever had in my life pipeline punch. It's good I definitely would like to try doing that Yeah, dude, we can do it together rag-con. I all of you have great. Those are all great remedies Mine is simply a change-up game like just change things Change something about what you're doing. It could be any of the things that you guys just said But like generally if I find myself like going down a dark path in my mind The best way out is to just do something totally different from what I'm doing like listen to for me If I don't have access to good pussy like Nate said Um Podcasts are like a great out. I would just like if I felt funky or like I was just pissed off at the internet I would just listen to the dick show and play a video game and it's like I don't have to think I don't have to be myself. I could just listen to the dick show and just listen to him talk And I don't have to think about my problems and I can just play a video game and be somebody else for a little while You know and like forget about whatever was going on with me, you know, or I guess put on some better music That's like more You know like like much. She said with that I don't have that program But like when I feel bad sometimes I'll just like throw on on a monoguchi and try to get something done because like it'll just Give you energy Accomplishing something is definitely I think the best like long-term solution Like that's a that's a good feeling that you'll feel like into the future But if I just want to know that you're having the worst day is that you can't accomplish anything That's probably probably true But the best like just my most pleasurable thing I do in my life is to sit back put on a movie I love I usually the godfather movies are like my go-to ones for this and I'm playing Then I'm also playing a video game while I'm like watching slash listening to a movie I love that I've seen a thousand times. Nate. Are you there to say just want to play video games every night every day Play video games. Are you aware of the uh, kasey nice that godfather screen saver thing that he's got? I am and I love it and I love it. I think it's super cool for the audience who doesn't know Kasey nice that it's a monitor that just at all times is playing a constant loop of godfather one and two I've said it before. Oh, not godfather three. I was actually gonna ask about that If you felt the same way I actually love godfather three almost as much as the other ones and people who share in godfather three are fucking idiots um, but uh Uh, whatever. I don't fuck what I was gonna say, but gibbs back gibb What do you do when your day ain't going right and you want it to feel good if you want to fix a shitty day Uh a shitty day um I usually just try to Create something and distract myself with work But if if work and what I've been trying to make is the the problem Then I usually curl up into a ball and cry Does that help? No, it doesn't I go through Yeah, I I go through many crises I like to rapidly cycle through mental crises. It really helps me, you know work out the case I I I always end up at the point where I was like wait nobody cares about my problems Maybe I should shut up and then I do and then it's great if you get bored of one crisis You can just switch to another. Yeah, that's true When you're feeling down like this, why don't you talk to your friends? Why don't you talk to your friends about that? Why don't you just come on? What is going on over? Gay I really want a procrastinator animated of like when ben said you just switch from one crisis to another of someone like in an Arcade switching between two different time crisis machines because it's all You know, uh, oh that'd be good when I'm feeling down It it just feels like I don't like to bother friends with that Especially since I have done it multiple times before and I will probably do it multiple times in the future It is it's an important it always ends in in in the same way that I realized that Nobody needs to hear this. I just need to move on It's a real thing that we got to recognize about like the people around us like we our friends will tell us Oh, you can come to me with anything. You can tell me blah blah blah like I'm always here for you But nobody actually wants to hear about how sad you are over and over again. Nobody wants that Uh, I recognize that and you know, if someone comes to me and just is complaining And like if most of my experience of a certain person is that they're just sad and complaining like I will not enjoy hanging out with them It'll just be like well It's like if they're your friend if they're if they're your friend, they'll do it for you They'll listen to you if you need an ear But if like but if you're like doing it all the time and you're like really You know taking up a lot of their time with like some sad shit. Yeah, like why would they continue? What do they get out of it? I think well, here's the thing with it is like if you're a good friend, you'll listen to your friend And and help them through whatever they're going through But if that friend the person who is going through things is a good friend They will realize that they don't they shouldn't They they need to fix themselves before they just lay it on someone. I mean, it's ultimately yes Ultimately, it is your responsibility to fix your own shit But like of course like I would if any of you guys came to me like as a one time thing Just just as an example and just said like dude I'm just really sad about this. Of course. I'd be happy to listen I mean everybody needs a sympathetic ear from time to time I guess story to that because like one of my old friends like he was that guy who would like come and you know And cry about his life all the time and Like everybody in my group of friends is like smart and good at giving advice And this guy's probably the dumbest guy I know out of out of the people who hang out with our friends So like he's constantly whining and people are constantly trying to give him advice And he just wouldn't fucking follow anybody's advice And he'd come to you crying the next day and you're like dude. I already told you what to do That's the thing. That's you're not gonna do it. Fuck you I agree with that I I I I I will also say though Well, are you gonna say again? I will say that usually It when it comes to advice like I get advice and it's usually advice that I agree with Yes, it's not knowing what to do. That's the problem. It's never knowing what to do. It's just doing it Also on the perspective of advice is kind of masturbatory or like a waste of time That's definitely true Ask for advice And plus like at least if you know what you're doing If you if you like I mean anyone who comes to me and like asks for my help about anything I will like immediately pull out the fucking spreadsheet and attempt to immediately solve the issue And I don't give a fuck what your excuses are. I will identify the blockages I will figure out ways to circumvent them like anyone who comes to me with a problem and I care enough about you We will solve it then and there we will identify the ways to do it But a lot of people don't actually want that a lot of people just want a sympathetic ear and I am the wrong guy for that So if that's what you're looking for, that's not me. That is not me. So Yeah, you know just that You should go to who you want like if you just want somebody Honestly like like like women do this more like my girlfriend is definitely like this She just wants me to like listen to her sad day whenever she tells me about like problems I'm just like a break it out of the spreadsheet. Let's fix it right now Identify the problems. It's been identified the solutions, but like sheet. What are you using a spreadsheet to help with in this scenario? Well, uh spreadsheets are okay making lists is essential laying out the facts. Okay. Yeah, that's what I mean, but I literally use spreadsheets Okay, I didn't know I'm literally talking about spreadsheets like spreadsheet guys My job has awakened me to how spreadsheets are the only thing that matter in this world They are the only thing that matters at all a human experience is subjective Fucking excel spreadsheets are are absolute When I'm trying to give advice, there's usually either a list or like a graph of some kind involved Like yeah, there's a lot of me making graphs with my hands when I'm trying to explain what somebody should do There's there's not a single gray or rush of doping that let rushes for through my loins Rather than when I open up a new google doc. That is the height of my fucking day Also, just just to close this off. I don't disagree with any of what I just said. I I feel like like I I I'm down to you know talk whenever I will just say I Try and make it a real point to not make it. I want to hear about everyone's, you know Sad days, but I want to make it known that I'm not letting them become complacent or just like I don't know. I don't know how to say this correctly, but I don't want to know that like it's a I'm just kind of like you will listen to them all day, but you would rather they not think that you're not trying to help them like you know I just mean that I don't want them to be Two's I want them to I want them to have a fire into their ass to fix their problem I don't want them to just think that I like it's not that I you don't want to placate them You don't want to placate them. It just let them language. Yeah, exactly It's like I'll listen to you at all times, but you're not allowed to know that like, you know It's I'll listen to everyone all the time, but I want to help them first and foremost And I don't want to always just be like, oh, I'm sorry pat pat there there I want to give them advice and I want them to fix what is happening I don't want to just I don't want to just be the guy, you know I I am my life has come to a certain point where I've only got so much time And like people who want to come to me with their problems like if I care about you, I'll listen but listen buddy I'm budgeting you 20 minutes of my time to fix your fucking problem or to like listen to you complain about it That's what you got use it how you want But then I'm out of here because I got shit to do and I'm not gonna just sit here all day and you know Listen to your complaints and maybe that makes me a bad person I call it like being a productive person who who optimizes his usage of his time because I have so little to spare Uh, it's just you know, that's how my life is now and that's how I'm gonna be I think I'm the same as you need. I'm just yeah, the times. I think I think I mean We want to get it to be done not to like shit on you or anything It's just like I probably have like just less time to spare because I've got a full-time job and youtube stuff So like that's forced me to be very stringent with how I use my time. So, you know, just saying just saying I think we're over the two-hour mark. That was good though. Man. I really enjoyed that. Oh, you know what? Questions Everybody Can I close this out everybody with an important message on on sex and relationships and everything from my hero matpat All right, matpat's got the words of wisdoms. We need to go by so just forget everything We just said only listen to these words. Okay, here we go real quote From february 9th, uh 2018 you can go find this at 3 55 p.m Whenever I see people lined up outside a club on friday night I just think look at these poor people who don't know video games exist That really just that's how I feel about sex. That is how I that's some that's the Okay All right, thank you matpat that that was our special guest for the day matpat Thanks for listening to the pcp featuring matpat everybody. It was a great time. Follow him at matpat.com Uh, I yeah, that's it everybody. Hey, hey everybody Uh, we were getting those questions from the bonus lounge, which you can check out if you go to patreon.com Slash the procrastinators one dollar gets you into the bonus lounge with all that goofy shit going on and five dollars Of course gets you access to the bonus episodes including the new one that is out That should be out by now, right? Yeah, it's out like today or yesterday and that is fucking insomnia the insomnia cast Oh, we didn't sleep. That was like my favorite bonus episode. It was dope. It was tight as fuck I think we've been doing good lately. I think I think we'll be killing it frankly I think we might just be able to to bring it back. 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