 And here we are, what's going on on the metal voice live with Chris Holmes once again, Alan Dixon. What are you doing, Alan? What's going on? Man, I don't know, but ever since we have Chris on, everything just exploded. We've got the views and views and people can't get enough of you, Chris. They want to know more and more and more. Yeah. Yeah, I've been hiding out in France. So we said, you know, we'll take the time to talk to Chris properly and I guess all subjects are good here. I guess, you know what it was, Alan, last time we were talking about Eddie Van Halen, so we couldn't really get into Chris's life and what he's doing, right, Chris? Right, right. We have to respect Eddie Van Halen. So yeah, we're going to devote ourselves to Chris Holmes. There you go. Chris, how you doing? How you doing? I'm still, I'm still here, you know, I don't know how after all the crap I've done in my life, I shouldn't have made it past 40, you know, but I'm still going. Good for you. Good. Yeah, strong for you. First things first, Chris, and you probably know about this as well, of course, the Canadian tour dates for 2021. You were supposed to come to Canada in 2020 and now we've had to postpone everything due to COVID-19. And I'm just going to read them off and then big thumbs up afterwards. So in April 22 and 2021, Quebec City, then Montreal on the 23rd of April, then Ottawa on the 24th, then London on the 29th, Toronto on the 30th, Calgary on May 8th, Vancouver May 14th and Victoria May 15th. Chris, these are the 2021, I just want to tell everybody this is 2021. It's not too far away. They are tentative. We don't know 100% if this is going to happen. Chris, you care to comment on this? It depends on how the COVID is doing and how, you know, if the virus is down or up or whatever. And, you know, if people get inoculated, you know, for the virus, I mean, I'll, I'll, you know, I planned on coming over, even if I wasn't, you know, with the virus, but inoculated, I guess, vaccinated, that's it, vaccinated, you know, I'd still come over and tour. I just, if I'm not vaccinated, then that means I can't meet people backstage or talk to them. But if they'll hopefully get vaccinated by then, if they have a vaccine come out, you know, in a few months or who knows, that's what I've heard that, you know, watching all the media stuff, God knows what, you know, if they got, if there's even a vaccine, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know, I don't know anybody's been vaccinated. Well, the vaccine can take some time. Hopefully Canada, is it, they still, is the virus still going there? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Alan, how's the virus coming along in Canada? What's the virus update? They said here in Quebec, per capita, we're worse off than the United States. Oh man, that's not good. Deaths and cases. So yeah, per capita, it's not a good sign. And you've got two tour dates here, so. Well, if not, then they'll just have to postpone it till the year after, you know. Like a lot of bands, exactly. Yeah. I don't think any bands are going to tour until they get the vaccine. It'd be stupid. People aren't going to go to the shows, you know, hopefully it might start vaccinating people, like, you know, just December, maybe depends on how fast they can get it out to who they give it to, to, you know, I'm in France, I don't know where I'd get vaccinated here. Wow, you're in the hospital, the local hospital, I'm sure. Chris, a lot of people are commenting right now and saying, you look great. You look good, man. You look healthy. You look good. You look like in your good shape. A lot of good comments. A lot of positivity there. Yeah. Yeah, I've been on a special diet. All right, cool. You know, vegan or just, just what kind of diet? No, it's, it's a special Chris Holmes diet. It's all like chicken wings and I don't know. No, no, no. I saw myself in a live video of about two years ago and I go, man, I'm getting a little bit of big stomach. So I just made myself a pack that I only eat breakfast, which is for me. So I don't wake, I have to wake my wife up. I make a peanut butter jelly sandwich, right? And I eat lunch and dinner. That's it. I have nothing in between. No ice cream. No, nothing. No, nothing at night. No, nothing in between. No, I used to eat potato chips, ice cream bars, Ben and Jerry's, you know, Hershey bars and crap. I cut out everything. That's good. And have I been feeling better? Yeah, I probably dropped. Probably I don't have a scale here. Probably 20 pounds. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I feel a lot. Yeah, I just can't be a pig like I used to be all the time. Hey, Chris, I was rereading a leader fours book yesterday. She said, you're quite the cook. Nobody makes a chicken chili like you do. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I used to love the barbecue. And then I used to I used to like a pressure cooker. You know, you can throw a whole chicken in a pressure cooker. Yeah. And the meat comes off the bones. And yeah, I'm I used to like I used to like to make the chili so hot. No one would eat it that way. I'd be staying in the fridge for about a week. I mean, I'd make it. I'd put another bit peppers, chili peppers and that, you know, the yellow ones, the jalapenos. Oh, yeah, tons of those. Can't do that anymore. I can't do that. Did you say any bad shit about me? No, no, no. It's all good. So far, we're on a good things are looking good. You're looking good so far. Everything's great. Chris, that's rare. No, no, no. Did my my ex say anything bad in the book? No, I said you were a gentleman and and no, just that things didn't work out there. She had some, you know, some deaths in the family that didn't help and she's called you a Viking the first time she saw you on stage in the book. She says are like watching a Viking. Well, that's good, you know. Hey, but how would you rate Lita as a guitar player, Chris? The scale of 1 to 10, let's say. As a female, just as a guitar player. I don't want to rate anybody say who's better than who. She's good. Yeah, she's good. She's a good songwriter. You know, she's not too many, not too many females sing and play lead guitar and everything at once. I mean, there's some girls that play lead guitar, but they don't sing. You know, but she does the whole the whole thing together. Probably the best one of the best there is, you know. She's been doing for a while. She's still doing it. Still doing a good job. Oh, yeah. Tell us about playing with fire. We got a couple of stuff to talk about playing with fire, this new single you released. You have a Steve Grimmett who's singing on it. Tell us about the guests on this song and what is about? Why'd you record it? It's if you listen to the lyrics, it's about COVID. Okay. And it's about the government lying to you about the about the virus. They're saying that it's not. It's, you know, it's doing what they're saying. That's it's not very contagious. All that crap. And they're playing with fire. That's what it's about. You know, who do you trust? Who do you blame? You know, who's going to die? And the singer and mean man saying the first verse and the part of the first chorus. The second one was Steve from Grim Reaper. Yeah, Steve Grimmett. The third one is Tommy Bolin, guitar player from Doro. Warlock. Yeah, yeah. He's a good friend of mine in LA. He's and he's saying on it. He screams on it. He asked me, Chris, you mind that? I go, Hey, I'd rather have you do what you want to do. And then the fourth one is the guy that's going to play with me in, um, in, um, in Canada from Phoenix is burning. Oh, okay. So, okay. Oh yeah. Okay. So the band that you had like you had a backing band in Canada, right? And the singer is the guy who actually singing on it as well. I can look at him. I hope his name. I don't know his name offhand. I got you. I, I forgot his name. I don't want to say a name. No, no, I'll find it. That's what me and Alan are here for research. Yeah. All right. He said his voice is killer on that's the fourth one. Okay. And, um, so is this so you have a new album coming out? Is this song going to be part of that album or not? Or is it just a single? I don't, I didn't, I didn't plan on it. No, I don't really know. No, it's coming. I got to finish the record first. Okay. All right. I've gotten all the songs written and the ideas. I just need to record them. You know, that's why I got an Indigo thing coming out. Yeah. So we got the Indigo goal. Yeah. This is okay. Alan, we're going to back up here a little bit. Now the whole world has turned upside down. The whole world has turned upside down. Artists can't tour. They can't make money. Album sales just don't do it, right? So no, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place. You just artists are frustrated. So you've done this Indigo goal to raise funds and you could tell us the rest. Well, the way how I was doing the record before is I'd play live and I'd take all the money that I make, which isn't which is whatever and put it into the recording. That's how I got the the EP done, you know, because it's cost money to record, you know, whatever the studio and the people and the mixing it and stuff. And from the tour, I was that I missed out this year. I was going to take that money and finish the record. But since I didn't get the tour, I don't make it. I haven't made any money. You know, a lot of people think I made money from wasp. I have I've never gotten my royalties or you know, are my even my songwriting. They'll correct the stuff that I wrote. I've never gotten paid one penny. Oh my God, one penny. And it's my it's, you know, who's fault it is. It's my fault for not knowing the business. How it is. I trusted somebody and after every album behind my back, not with the record company because your name goes on the label at the record company. I'm talking about when albums done, how they split up the publishing with the publishing contracts, the publishing companies. That's where the money comes from. Yeah, I was never told about when that meeting was because the other guys in the band never wrote Randy never did Riley didn't rod. Nobody I was the only one. So I'm the only one that they have to screw over to get all the public to get all the publishing. So I was never told. Then when I dug into it in about 2006 or seven, I went into the sanctuary music had a lawyer go in to find out where my publishing is and I was written in as a session player on into all the records. Oh boy, if you don't know about it and not told and don't see, you don't know. So I trusted Blackie Lawless about that. And when I found out it really kind of yanked me wrong. It yanks me wrong. Makes me feel he was sticking a knife in my back from the first day from the first album and not telling me and being my best friend. And if it wasn't for me, he wouldn't be where he's at. I guarantee you that. I guarantee you that because your sound is a signature your sound your guitar sound is signature to the wasp sound that everybody knows. We'll go look up circus circus. That was wasp before I got in the band and I got in the band, you know, he wouldn't be where he's at and then he screws me like that on the publishing. It's all right. It's been a it's been a long time. It's something that I will never, never get over. I'll take that to the grave with me. Okay. You can see how pissed I'm pissed thinking about it. But anyway, that's the kind of person he is and everybody thinks, wow, he's got the greatest. Yeah, he's got an outrageous voice. Black year, but he turns his back on his band members real bad and screws him. I'm the only guy in the band that ever came back to get screwed twice, which I did. You know, I came back for kill kill fuck die and I was promised half publishing on that album. Didn't get crap knowing that I couldn't get in to see what was written in the contracts. Of course. Of course, and just that's that's why I wrote the song to face mother fucker. It's about him. Is that on the new album? Or it's on shooting bricks. Oh, yes. Okay. Last one. Yes. And I got one on the new album. It's called you can't handle it. It's called the truth. It's called better. It's a says you can't handle a truth. That's on my new one. I'm going to write a song about him on every album. You know, is there any sort of if you got a lawyer and I know lawyers are expensive and sometimes you just want to leave the past as the past. But did you ever say, you know what, I'm just going to go after what is mine or is it just a done deal? The contract is a contract and that's that. Well, you'd have to go into court. If it if it wasn't when it was settled when the albums were done, it's done. You know, so I'll never get any publishing ever off wasp that you know, you think everybody asked me about a wasp reunion. Sure. I'd love to play a wasp if he pays me my publishing. If he doesn't, then he can play have a reunion with Randy Piper and Johnny Rod and Riley. You know, everybody else. I'm not going to play. It's not worth it. It's not, you know, I came back to wasp in 95. I got screwed again. Screw me once, screw me twice. You're not going to screw me for the third time. Okay. You know, so that's just the way, you know, I'll do it. It's been six years. I got my thing going and I love doing it. I love being around the people I'm around. You know, I love traveling with them. I don't have to put up with that. Have you ever put up with a narcissist? My wife called me a narcissist. You have to ask my wife. I have to ask my wife. No, no, no, no. Black Black Wallace is a really extremely he's a narcissist. Real bad. If you don't believe me, look at the second and third album and then look at this. Look at the inside. What's that other one? He did the last where he's on the cover on the cross. This one here. You're talking about the crimson idol. No. No. Okay. Oh, gogatha. Gogatha. Yeah. Crimson idol. You're second idol. Crimson idol. Crimson idol. That one, that's him on the cross. Yeah. Yeah, that's Blackie. That's him. If that, if that isn't a narcissist, I don't know what is a malignant narcissist. That was the whole band. That was the band. Look, second album. And the next one. Then the narcissist comes out. Then the third one. Then the narcissist comes out. But I, you know, and if you can't, it's really, really hard to work with somebody like that because they, they keep you down so they can be up. It's exactly what Donald Trump does. Malignant narcissist. But I didn't want to put it, I can't put up with the guy's crap anymore. I just, it's not worth it. So let's look at, let's look at the positive. I know we could. Oh, that is positive. That's a positive. He's restraining himself. Because you've been screwed over so many years in Wasp, you can't tour. You need people to help out or the fans to help out with this album, right? The goal, the, what's it called? The, not the goal. Indiegogo. Indiegogo. Indiegogo. Indiegogo campaign. Indiegogo. So tell us about that and, and how you need the funds because it's the only way to survive. Well, it's the only way I can finish this record coming up. If not, then it's probably, probably won't be able to record it until after I go out and tour. And I'll be able to come back and pay for the recording and all that stuff, you know? It's, that's just a reality of the thing. I could try to get a record label, but there's no more labels anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there isn't, and they don't sign, nobody's going to sign and give you money to record with anymore. You know, I do, I do have a documentary coming out called Mean Man. Yeah, let's talk about that. Yeah. And it's the story of the last like 10 years of my life. It's called Mean Man, the story of Chris Holmes. That comes out January 19th of 2021, which pretty soon. And how's that going to be released, Chris? Like on DVD or Blu-ray? From what I heard, that's kind of like they're not there yet, right? It's sort of like it's done, right? It's in the whole, the whole documentary is done, right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I saw it. I saw it. It's pretty cool. I saw it. I kind of liked it. It shows, it shows what I've been doing touring and stuff and a lot of interviews from people in the past. You know, it looks very like, like I saw the commercial and it looks like very good quality. It doesn't look like some sort of cheap made documentary. It looks like a really good quality documentary. No, no, the guy followed me around with the camera and stuff for a long time. And yeah, shot is, yeah, a French guy and then he it's going to be out on Cleopatra. You know, the other ones that are putting it out. If it's as a Blu-ray, I don't know. Just somebody will bite and it'll go right on YouTube. So the normal. All right. So, so new album. All right. So tell us about the musical direction on the new album. How's that? Musical direction. What are you, what is it going to sound like? Is it going to sound like a little bit of this? Is it going to sound a little bit like this? Where are you going with this? Are you going to do the vocals? Are you going to get? Well, I got, I got the EP of the album already out called under the influence. Yes. And it's got, um, devil made me do it. Um, I am what I am. Um, do, do, do, do, do the other song. Okay. Don't worry. No big deal. Uh, it's going to sound like that. Somebody just straightforward rock and roll. Straightforward rock music. I'm going to sing on most on all of it. You know, and some people don't like my voice. Hey, don't buy it. It's that simple. You know, some people like it. Some people don't. This is the way it is. Yeah. But how did you, how do you get Steve Grimman involved? Uh, and what you just released, the single. I played a festival about a year and a half ago in Portugal. Oh, okay. And they, Grim Reaper played and I'm just met him there. And had a, I've met him, I met him years ago at concerts here and there, but madam there and talk to him. And it's really, really cool person, man. It's really cool person. I like him. We just called him up to see if he'd sing on. He said, yeah, I'd love to. And he still has the voice. I mean, we were, we were lucky. Yeah. We were lucky enough to see him in concert interview him a few times and just a real, a real gentleman. Oh, yeah. It's cool. He just, he, uh, he had, he had some problems with his leg and had, had to cut it off above the knee, but he's still got, he's got a, the titanium thing. He gets up on stage and whales with that, you know? Yeah. It's quite the, it's quite, you know, he's, he's just quite the guy. I mean, you know, to, to, to suffer through all that and get on stage and then, you know, uh, to still keep going. It's Steve's a great guy. Yeah. Well, it's a good thing they didn't cut his middle leg off. You know what I mean? He may sing higher. He's, he's, he's got a heart of gold, man. The guy, Steve. All right, so I'll let you on. Well, just, just getting back to the DVD, you said the last 10 years of your life. Now, now, unfortunately, a lot of people and I've been reading up as our interviews with Blackie and I read the Lita's book. If we go back to the decline of the metal, the decline of Western civilization, the metal years of that famous pool scene. Was that really a joke? Like you knew Penelope Sphereus before the film? You knew, you knew her? So you were, I went to high school with a guy named John Neff, who was her boyfriend. Years before, you know, and I've met her a bunch of times here and there in Hollywood and he's her boyfriend and I just known her from there and then she'd, she had done the first one, which is all punk rock. It wasn't filmed as good, you know, and then she called me up and asked me to do that. And was it real alcohol? Yeah, it was real alcohol in there. People tell me it wasn't, but why would I fake something? Yeah. You know, Chris, you were putting up, you were putting on a show, Chris, and giving her what you thought she wanted or you were really acting like that because you're under the influence, as we say. That's, that's called fucked up. Okay. Chris, I don't want to cut this off. I want to cut this off, but I want to get to like people are writing messages and messages and I'm sort of like ignoring it. And I think a lot of people want to say something to you. Well, first, first of all, a lot of people are saying I want to be the first in line to see this documentary on Chris Holmes awaiting the third album. January 19th is my birthday. That'd be a great birthday present. Chris is the last of the dying breed of free spirit in in a truest sense. Headless children rules. Ask Chris about the white explorer Eddie played that is his. Did we talk about that last time? Yeah, we spoke about that in the last year. Yeah, it's all in the doc. There's a doc. If you look up my name, you'll see a story about the guitar thing with Eddie and stuff. There's some guy, the guy that did the documentary did a little three, four minute clip of all the people in the movie that knew ever from Pasadena. He has them. He has a guy, this guy Doug that has my guitar. That's has a Van Halen museum. He holds that he explains the guitar in there. Yeah, I actually came across that video the other night. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He explained it very well. It's actually clips out of the documentary. You know. Yeah, yeah. And here's some more. Does Chris know the guys from sword? The band sword from Montreal? No. No, I haven't been to Montreal in a long time. When's the last time you've been here? Do you remember? I think it was 96 or 97 right before Kill Fuck Die. Okay. I was there for an interviews. I don't think we toured there. All right. Tell me about. I remember. I remember when I when I flew there, I flew from Japan to Toronto and a member of the the comet called Halebop. Okay. You remember that? No, don't remember that. There's a comet called Halebop. It was in the air. I remember looking out the plane at it. Oh, wow. Yeah. I just remember that Halebop comet. It was it. It was member of Heaven's Gate. Those guys killed themselves when the comet came by. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And all those. Yeah, that comet. Snickers or something. And you actually saw the last time I was in Canada because I can remember flying from Japan. I was looking out the window at it for a few hours. Oh, yeah. Wow. Yes. Yes. Here's a question and they're and it's coming to this album here Spencer proffer. What was it like working with him as a producer? Was he was a tough? No, tough. No, he was great. Okay. He was great. He was great. Want to hear a funny story? Sure. So, so like I always record. I'd never record too much where the cabinet is and the isolation booths when you look through the windows. I always sit in the studio where the mixing board is and run a guitar court out to the amp. It's easier that way. You can hear things better. Instead of use the headphones and I'm sitting on the side and Spencer, Spencer, he's in this big huge of lounge, not a lounge chair, but a captain's chair and he's leaning back and I'm waiting to record and he's talking on the phone. And I'm sitting there waiting and then another phone call and I get mad and I had eaten at this place called Astro burger next door. And it gave me gas. He was leaning back talking to somebody on and Dwayne Barrett was in the studio. He's leaning back talking to somebody. I'm mad now. I've been waiting for 20 minutes. He's still on the phone. He's leaning back and I turn around and act like I'm picking a pickup. My ass was about a foot from his face and let the rudest fart in his face. Yeah. He got this and got up and split for about two hours. Spencer was a nice guy to me. You know, he always treated me great recording and he was fun to be with. He's fun to record with. I liked him. Okay, good. I don't know if it's full. I mean, you had that quiet riot. You know, they're sort of like didn't have a good time recording with him. Was it kickaxe to Allen that vices was Spencer? I believe so. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's that sound that wall of sound that he had they're on pasture. So yeah. Yeah. Would add a posture. Yeah, posture recording studios. That's a quiet riot came in and sang on a song. One of the songs on our album. You can tell they're singing on it. Oh God. I think it's a title track to the last command the song the last command. You have sex drive and running wild in the streets. That's long running wild in the streets. Was it Kevin Dubro? Oh, they sing where it goes and where it sings all the way all the way. You can hear quiet riot in there Carlos and Kevin singing. Okay, cool. Chris, do you have any someone's Oscar saying how much musical theory do you know, Chris? I mean, have you used? I know you've you had a guitar teacher back when, right? But yeah, but they don't take teacher with tabs the teacher bluesbox skills. I don't have any musical theory at all. I know what an I know what an A chord and E chord is, but since I tune my guitar down a half step, it's really in a flat, but you're still playing an A on the guitar where I know what a what a major scale is and I know what a minor scale is and that's about it. Other than that, most of stuff I play by ear by what I feel I play most everything by what I feel. Okay. No, I mean, I just finished listening to inside the electric circus and I mean, you're ripping on there to the guitar solo, your sound and I'm like, how was Chris? Why nobody ever promoted Chris? Why wasn't he a bigger one? You know, guitar mags came out of top top top guitars. Everybody's talking about, you know, Van Halen and other guys that were hot at the time, but man, you you you can compete with anybody out there. You know what I mean? It goes back to working with somebody. It's a narcissist. Okay. That's what I did my suspicion. Yeah. Well, if they don't, they that's all hell broke loose when I did that thing with Penelope because I did it. I didn't even tell anybody wasp. I was doing it. Um, you know, the deal we're stars. Yeah, yes, we're in that. Yeah, you were in that. I know Jimmy very well before he died. I see him with North Hollywood all the time. He's going to his house know him very well. He said personally, he called up and asked if Chris could do a guitar solo on there and they said that I couldn't that I didn't have enough time, which I did have enough time. The guys and I are made and did they were on the same man. They're on the same label. Yeah. Yeah. But so somebody in the wasp camp said I couldn't. I wonder who in the fuck that was. Yeah. Think about that. Do you think that's not fair? Do you think he but I don't know if I if I don't hear the I'm not on the phone, you know, they didn't call me and ask me if they had to ask me personally. I had went down and played. But the reason why I got to do the decline is because Penelope's fear Penelope's fears. She called me personally. You know, she didn't go through the management. That's why you did it. Okay. Yeah. The sea still owes me 300 bucks. That's not me. She never paid you. She never paid you. She owes me 300 bucks. Really? Nothing. Did you get anything for that? Nothing. Not even nothing zero. No, no. Well, she she paid 300 bucks, but it went to the management. Oh, okay. Yeah. So the deal is she called me personally. She can pay me personally. That's the fucking way it is. She can pay me personally. Not the management. You know, so she owes me 300 bucks. They she called me up and wanted me to do an interview for the box set that's coming out. I told her if you want to pay me my 300 bucks and I'll think about it. And she didn't pay me my 300 bucks. So I didn't think about it. But if she would have, if she would have, I just said, Hey, I thought about it. No, I don't want to do it. I just want to tell everybody in the chat of YouTube, I'm putting in the link to the pledge and I'm also putting the link to the song playing with fire. So I've been putting it and that's why my head's been kind of going down because I'm doing this. So right now I'm going to put in the link the indigo go for for the album. If you guys want to take a look at that. Oops. Maybe that's the wrong one. And let me just put it here. Maybe I put the wrong one. There we go. Please after after she directed Wayne's world, you think she'd have 300 bucks to give you, you know, that was a huge hit. Well, I, um, Randio from Odin used to live with me and I know him real well and she paid him $2,500. You know, paid him personally. She never paid me. She never paid me probably went in the blackies pocket anyway. You know, who knows? And the leader in her book, she was there while you were filming. She says, you know, watching you and that at that time and saying in the movie and Penelope, she thought you were putting on an act for Penelope. She's like, this, this could be career suicide. You know, but I mean, obviously you had many years afterwards playing with Wasp. So, well, I, she, I think she's got it wrong as if she was there when I was filming it, wouldn't she be in the video, said to my mom, think about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Think about that. Wouldn't she be in it? Yeah. You'd want her in it for sure. Right. She would have been in it. So apparently she wasn't there when I was filming it. She was at the, when Penelope came up and showed me the script and the part of the, what they were going to put in the movie before they did to give me an okay. And I said, I don't really care what you put in it. You know, nothing's going to bother me. You know, I run around naked. I don't give a shit. All right. So I found the link for the Indigo. Here we go. Hey, have you, have you seen the new pool scene I did in 2017? Yes. Yes. I redid it. Yeah. Yeah. I go, that's a better one. It goes, Hey, I'm still here. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great start. Hey, Chris, Chris, let me ask you this. Here's an offbie question that, that I kept hearing a lot of over the years and you probably weren't even the band in Wasp. Blackie kept canceling shows and canceling shows a lot of the times. When I was in a band, when you, when you were in a band, did that happen too? Did he cancel shows? No. No. Okay. There was one, there was only one that I know of two shows in the whole time that I played in Wasp that were canceled once was, we got a BLT that had bad band aids and Blackie ate half and I ate the other half and we got, what do you call that when you get disentery? Yeah. Yeah. I remember sitting on the bus that was coming out of my ass and my mouth at the same time. And so we canceled one show then that was with on the Metallica tour. And then there was one show we had played in the Czech Republic of Festival on Kill Fuck Die where Blackie lost his voice. He got a cold and he couldn't sing. He almost lost his voice. So that was canceled. The other night, the other night there was never another one canceled. The only other cancellations motor had got up and split off the floor. Okay. I found, I found the end of going and again, I'm just telling everybody that I'm putting the link. I was putting the wrong link at the beginning, but now I'm putting the right link. So just take a look at that link and for the funding of the album, you know, the past couple of weeks, I've been looking on YouTube, some old interviews with you and Blackie, you know, and you were always there beside him. And you know, I say, hey, these are the dynamic duos. These guys are a team, but very rarely let me talk. No, you wouldn't. You anybody who watches this Chris is not allowed to talk, you know, but he wouldn't let me talk. It seems that way. Just they asked me a question. He'd always butt in and give the give the answer to people didn't want to hear, you know. And again, we got nothing against Blackie. We would love to interview him. We've never had the chance, but it just, you know, just look at this coldly. You say, Hey, looks like Chris is not allowed to talk almost watching some of these old and it's not just one. There's three or four of them over the years, you know? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. How about here? Here's from Carolus Whisper says, please ask him his thoughts on Inside the Electric Circus, especially the deeper cuts. And you did participate a lot on this album, right? What do you think about it? I haven't heard it since I didn't even hear the mix of it. I remember recording it and that was it. I played the songs live other than that. I don't listen to the WASP music. It's because of what's happened with my publishing. I don't want to hear the guy's voice until it just yanks me wrong. It's a cool album though. It's got, I think it's got a little too much reverb on it. Okay. On Inside the Electric Circus. And then, you know, when somebody makes a decision, it's going to be me on the cover. Yeah, you just not a band at that point. So I didn't like it. Okay. I like the Headless Children. I got to play all the guitars on it except a few little riffs here and there that I didn't. I was supposed to come back and play and I wouldn't. That's the album that I'm proud of. Okay. Here's one. Here's one for you, Chris. Here's another one. I like this one here. Thomas asked, what does WASP stand for? Was it White Anglo-Saxon Protestant? Which I know it wasn't. But you know, W-A-S-P. What does it stand for? What was the meaning behind all this? I know that Rick Fox, you know, back in the day when the band first was before it was WASP, you know, he said, he claims to say that he named the band WASP or that was the idea where it came from. Well, he was with Blackie somewhere and a bee landed on him and he goes, fuck, I almost got stung by a WASP. And then that's the idea of where the band come from. Rick was in the band in the beginning, but where does a band still, where do you consider where a band starts? Is it where they get together or their first show? Okay. Is that their first album? Or their first album, yeah. All right. So you're saying, so what did the name become? Like, I mean, was it just, okay, this cool name and that's all that it really is? It wasn't nothing more than that. It was White Anglo Saxon Protestant. Wow. Okay. Yeah. It says that on a song. Shono Mercy. It goes White Anglo Saxon, a violent reaction on Shono Mercy, White Blackie sings White Anglo Saxon, a violent reaction, something, something, something right on Wasteland, right under the Badlands, but I don't know Shono Mercy ever made it on an album. It's probably on a B side somewhere. Okay. Tommy, Tommy says, please thank Chris and his wife, Sarah, for mailing me an autographed copy of Shitting Bricks and a personalized guitar pick of his. I am forever grateful Tommy D. So some love from the fans. A lot of fans. Yeah. A lot of fans, my friend. A lot of fans. You got a like, I could keep going on questions. Alan, unless you have a question as I look for more questions. No, no. Well, you know, why I am why I am with the fans is because I'm a still a fan, you know, from day one, you know, I never forget the times when I met people, went to concerts, was in the front row, deep purple back in 72, you know, 74, whatever when they went, when made in Japan came out concerts like that, you know, um, what, and you know, who always was an influence on me and the fans was, it was, I hate to go back to was Van Halen. Ed, you know, I saw the way he'd treat people and he was in him, you know, back when I was before I ever made it before when he did, I was like, well, it's cool man to be that way. He took the time for everybody, you know, and I, I, I like meeting the fans because it makes them happy, you know, see a smile on their face and you know, this I'll talk to most anybody, you know, is there is there any new bands you're listening to? Do you listen to current music? Is anything to stand out to you? Any new bands or? No, I did, I did figure a way to tape all the songs off YouTube that I wanted to hear. I got, I did my record collection on every, every band I ever wanted. I spent probably two months doing it off YouTube. I recorded off the headphone jack. You know, on a, on a, on a recorder. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. So I spent hours doing, I did, I did, I on one 32 gig little dinky card, little dinky thing. I got, I got 980 songs, all Zeppelin Beatles. The who? The who? I recorded every black Sabbath song there was. Everyone, everyone, I spent and you have to do it in real time, you know? Yes, you have to write it, you have to write it. I spent hours, man. It's like a turntable. Wow. Sometimes it's, it's sometimes YouTube shuts off your computer. They, they know you're doing it. They come to the line somehow and shut off my computer. So I'd have to go damn man, I'd have to go back and you know, race, because I got it on a, I got a little task cam recorder that records on the disc. I'll record them all wave files. So on one of them, I got 900 songs. The other one, I got 500. I got every, everything I ever wanted. I did Motown. Nice, nice, nice. All the Motown songs, Smokey Robinson. Mr. Brewer asks, did Chris meet Randy Rhodes? And then I know somebody else asks, you've auditioned for Ozzy. When you auditioned for Ozzy, right? This is before Randy Rhodes was selected as a guitarist, correct? Yeah. Did I meet Randy Rhodes? What do you mean meet him? I lived in the same town. You lived in Burbank? I think you lived in Washington. There's, there's a place called Lock and Yacht. It's in between Burbank and Pasadena. It's in the mountains. Okay. Yes, yes, yes. Pasadena, Burbank kind of, there's Glendale in between, but there's a place called Lock and Yacht. That's where NASA, Jet Propulsion Laboratory is. And the town's built for all the scientists there. I lived in that town. So meet him. Yeah, sure, man. You know, I hung with the Van Halen crowd, but I knew Randy, you know, here and there, how I auditioned. Dana Strum called me to do an audition for Ozzy. It said I couldn't play any black Sabbath songs. I was like, that's odd. I went into studio Laurel Canyon with my amp and guitar and I just played with no band played for about an hour, not an hour, about 20 minutes. And he was with Smokes and Hash with one of my friends. And then that night, that was a Friday night. Quiet Riot was playing the whiskey of Gogo. And the after the eye audition, the day it was Dana Strum from Bad Axe, the bass player. He plays with Ben Steele. He was driving Ozzy around looking for guitar players. And I probably my height could have scared him. Chris, how tall are you? Like 6'3", 6'4"? I'm 6'6". 6'6", that's what I thought, yeah. Yeah. You're way past Ozzy, yeah. Being at tall is okay for certain things, but it's bad for a lot of things because a lot of musicians don't want to stand next to you on stage. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Blackie's 6'5", so we, you know. It kind of worked out, yeah, yeah. The last guitar player I had in France, he was 6'6", tall guy. Yeah, I'm only 5'8", so you're probably like a jolly green giant to me. Allen's tall, Allen's tall. Allen's a tall guy, so he's all good. You know what I'd say to somebody that's shorter? Don't blame you, blame your parents. I'm going to go blame my mom right after. Trenetics. Yeah, call her up, cuss her out. How about Molly Crue? Chris, how about Molly, go ahead, sorry. My mom was giving me shit about 10, about 12 years ago about something, I don't know what it was. She was on the phone, she was nagging me about doing something. I go, mom, this is a problem that happened 50 something years ago that you and dad made and I don't want to hear about it before I'm as you started, and she shut up. She didn't bother me anymore about it. This is all your fault. Yeah, this is a mistake you made 50 something years ago. All right, I'm going to, again, I'm going to post the link to the Indiegogo and again, I keep screwing it up but I think I got it right here. Boom, if you guys want, if you want to support Chris Holmes, please. You know, we want some new music and we want some great music and yeah, it's definitely, definitely. And again, I will say this again, the Canadian tour that was postponed is now 2021 starting in April in Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa, London, Toronto, Calgary, keep our fingers crossed. So what about Half Moon Bay? You mean Thunder Bay? Thunder Bay, that's what it is. Thunder Bay, yeah. Well, you know what, I think it's tentative. There's a lot of tentative stuff going on. They're not a hundred percent sure yet, but I want to give a shout out to Kevin Michaud and Kevin, he's done such a spectacular job at, you know, being the promoter, organizing this, this, this sort of tour for you that didn't happen but got postponed. So big shout out to Kevin, Kevin works so hard. I know he works with your wife and yourself and you know, hats off to him, Kevin. You know, bringing artists like you to Canada from France, you know, that's not easy to do, man, that's not easy to do. No, no. All right, another question. Alan, if the virus is down and they let people come in and out of the country, I'll be definitely playing. But if it's not, then I'll have to, I'll have to postpone it's back further, you know. So what's your touring band from Canada? You're going to be doing a lot of the singing or you mentioned you had a singer already lined up. I sing the songs that I wrote on my project and then the bass player, you are keeping to find his name. I think his name is Kevin. Kevin, Kevin. He plays in a band, a band called Phoenix of Phoenix Burning or inflame Phoenix is burning. Check it out. Everybody Google that. Phoenix in flames. Oh, Phoenix in flames. Don't check out the first one. Check it. Phoenix. I'm going to look it up right now, Chris. Okay. I just I should have a written down somewhere, but I have it downstairs in my basement. It's all good. Okay. So anyway, go ahead. The new album will sound like under the in this EP under the influence. And the new album is going to be called unbearable influence. Okay. Yeah, because I'm an unbearable influence. Is his name Cornelius Black? Is that his name? No, I can't. No. Well, you want me to find his name out? That's a stage name. Yeah, I think you're looking at Harry Potter sites, Jimmy. Phoenix, Rise of the Phoenix, Serious Black. You got them all confused. Geez. I don't know. Anyway, Sarah, there we go. Yeah, Sarah. No, just probably watching. Yeah, there she is. What's the name of the guy's place in the Phoenix in Flames? Oh, Charles Andre Lambert. What's his name? Charles Charles Chuck Chuck to his friends. Okay. Well, Kevin Michele's tongue Charles Andre Lambert. Charles. Yes. He is Cornelius Black with it. See, you know, you know why I couldn't remember it because I can't pronounce that. Lambert Charles Andre Lambert Charles. Anyways, by the way, his nickname is Cornelius Black. There you go. So I stand corrected. I stand corrected Cornelius Black. That's what it's. All right. He's gonna be called Chuck. Chuck. You know what? I'm gonna call him Chuck. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. That's a good one. Chuck for sure. Yeah. Okay. Here are those. Molly Crue question. You're ready for Molly Crue. Do you remember the back in the day? Molly Crue, did you see the band? Did you see them rise? Yeah. What do you mean? I thought you were there. You were there, man. You were there. Yeah. Yeah, but they were cool. You know, they were, they were, they were more of a glam thing. I, some people used to call them chicks with dicks. You know, cause they look like chicks. They were almost like poison in the beginning. And then they changed their image a little, you know, through the times got harder, heavier. Yes. You know, make, but mix the cool guy. Nikki's always been nice to me. Good. I met him when I met him when I was 19 at that Theodore's restaurant around from Starwood. I had quit sister and I was in there after, I think a Van Halen show or whatever at the restaurant and he introduced himself blah, blah, and he just came in from, um, um, Idaho. And he said something about, you know, cause black, he was in the doll, blah, blah, blah. And I just quit sister and he's asking me why I quit and I, I know why now, but I didn't know then. I just said, I wasn't happy in the situation. He couldn't believe that I'd quit. You know, and then him and black, he hooked up and made London. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yeah. That's right. That's right. Could he, could he play Nikki six back the day? They didn't, could he really like, like, I mean, a lot of talk of Nikki six couldn't really play as a basis or a guitars. I mean, was he limited in his capabilities? Well, I did in that kind of music. What do you call playing? One note, you know, how much is it put this way as playing like John Antwistle? No, no, yeah. You know, but as for what the song's called for and the songwriting and stuff, he's great. An open E, an open E. That's what he's good for. And if that's what the song calls for, that's good. You know, so he's any, you know, he writes some cool stuff, cool image of Nikki. He's always been fucking treated me like, like like a brother. He's always been fucking great to me. Always had a heart of gold towards me every time I met, I've been around him. Yeah, he had a falling out. Oh, okay. That was at the time of London or? No, no, it was way after it was up. It was after I remember talking to Blackie about he says he didn't want to talk to Nikki because he was doing drugs and this and that. And I was still like, you know, I remember telling Blackie just because he does drugs doesn't mean he's a bad person, you know? Yeah. I mean, I've done him all my life not and I'm talking about narcotics, not smoking weed. I've done him all my life since I was 13 really 12 LSD. So I there's a time and place for everything. You know, if you got to know the fine line is on whatever. So and then Blackie said he didn't want to any of the drug addicts being around his life. So he blew off his friendship with Nikki. And I was like, that's kind of odd, you know, but you know, you know, even though some of you has problems who cares. I'm really enjoy. I'm really enjoying six a.m. His post the Motley Crue band. I mean, some of those songs and the musicianship I think it's better than even Motley Crue in their heyday. So it's something I really enjoy. Well, the musicians in that band are a little bit different, you know, then. I'm not saying Mick Mars is bad. Mick, you know, Mick's a good. He's got a great killer sound. Yeah, he does. Yeah, you know why he's got a killer sound? Because he learned it from you. No, because his roadie was Eddie Van Halen's roadie. Okay, okay. Ah, yeah, Rudy Lahren. Oh, yeah, there you go. Oh, yeah. Chris did all those back Van Halen. Here's a question from Brew Brewer. Mr. Brewer, did Chris get into a fight with Robin Crosby at the LA Forum? It wasn't a fight. It was a scuffle. Okay. And something was said and I told somebody to f off and we there was a yeah, it wasn't it wasn't a fight when we were full on slugging each other. It was a show was a shoving match and I could fuck you and thrown drinks in each other's faces. And then they threw me out. You know, out of the form club because I'm the one with the bad, you know, the wasp, the bad guys or whatever, the Robin, Robin and I, we made up since then, you know, he was fairly tall too. Wasn't he? Yeah, he was six, about six, six. Oh, wow. Another big guy. Yeah, I saw him about two, about three weeks before he passed. You know, was he was, he was, he was, it was, it was AIDS because of what needles. Is that what it was? Like, I don't remember. I remember you had to do in heroin, being around the wrong kind of people picked it up, you know, share needles with somebody. Yeah. And then he died of an infection in his, a staff infection in his spine. Actually, you know, great songwriter. Last, last time I saw him, I went by to say hi to I was getting ready to go to Japan. I went by to say hi to my drummer, this guy, Robert Klays, Matt, good friend of mine. He's a drummer where Robin was living and went by to tell him I'd be back in two weeks and Robin answered the door. Hey, he goes, what, what are you doing, Chris? I go, I'm getting ready to go to Japan. And he was weird. He goes, he goes, can I ask you a personal question? I go, well, how personal? He goes, he goes, can I ask you how much you get paid? I go, whoa, I go, yeah, I go right now. I make a grand a week and he goes, wow, grand a week. And I go, Robin, before that, I only made 500 up to the headless children. That's it. You know, because I'd rather have full of money come after, you know, to enjoy things. And he goes, he kind of looked at me. He went, he goes, what, he goes, he kind of, kind of, he's got a smile on his face and laugh. He goes, what am I complaining about? He goes, man, I had two, three, four million dollars and a playboy wife and everything. He goes, man, I blew it all on drugs. What an idiot. He started, he started laughing about it. He was totally cool about it, you know? Chris, whose idea was for the raw meat and wasp? Whose idea was this? Like, today, I think in today's day and age, you could not throw raw meat in the crowd, right? Why not? I don't think bacteria and, you know, the virus, you know, there's just so many sort of do's and don'ts. And I don't know, it's more politically correct. The girl on the rack might, might create more. Today might be like a plastic, you know, piece of meat. But what was it? Like a roast? Like, I mean, who's idea was this? I mean, back then it was pretty edgy. We had a box, we had a box made and it was painted red on the inside, black on the outside, said raw meat on it. Then we'd get just a raw steak and then we'd get the stage blood and pour that. So it was real bloody and gross. And then the meat was like in chunks, you know, chunks of steak and it's when it's dipped in the blood, it gets really gory. When sitting in a band sister, black, he used to eat worms, you know, to flip people out. He wanted to outdo Alice Cooper or whatever. So he's like these pants on fire and then he gave it to the Nikki six. He gave up and left. Here, you can start burning yourself. I'm sick of this. Well, that's because all the acts that were in sister, he got didn't want to do anymore. You know, just in fact, sister has had the pentagram logo that Motley crew took, you know, from the old days. Right. All right. Iron maiden stories. Michael wants to know. Do you have any iron maiden stories? Yeah, good or bad. Well, good. Let's stick with good. They would go bad. I'm good for now. Good. Well, I used to travel on Iron Maiden's bus, Steve and Bruce. They had a bus and then with Nicko and then David Adrian had an own bus and our traveling Steve's bus and they love me because my personality, you know, the way I am, you know, California, they'd have all the alcohol in the bus. We'd go crazy flying down the highway. There's one time they had to hide me on my bus because I forgot my passport tour manager had it on the Duas bus. Okay. And I had to hide in the bunks going through the customs and they didn't come on and check. Could they not find you? Yeah. Huh? You were so big. How could they not find you? Like, how can they not find me? I went ahead back in one of the bunks. They were just like, stay here in case they come on the bus, but they never did, you know, and so anyway, there was a few times on that tour where I didn't fly. I'd rather go on the bus, you know, and so let's say you're in Paris and you got to play Portugal. That's a day and a half drive. So everybody would fly. Since I went on the bus, it would, I had, I didn't, the airlines, the money for that would pay for the better hotels. I'd stay in Iron Maiden's hotel and travel with them because at that point, if you're on the wash bus, you have to do what Blackie wants where he wants to go do his thing. So, and on the Irene bus, they let me be me, you know? And so anyway, they don't soundcheck their roadie soundcheck for them. They have it down to where they don't need to soundcheck. The wasp would have to soundcheck and their tour manager, Rangi, he would, you know, come to my room, go Chris, I got to get you to the show by force so you can soundcheck and he'd take me down every day. Anyway, he got, he didn't, the very last show, the night before in Rome, he'd beat up somebody that was taking pictures of Iron Maiden because after the third song, nobody's allowed to take pictures because you're sweaty and all that stuff. Rod, manager wouldn't like it anymore. But the promoter's son was in a barrier at the Encore taking pictures and the guy, Rangi, that took me, you know, there's like four guys that were in charge of just taking care of the band guys. Well, Rangi would take me every day to soundcheck, you know, in a cab from the hotel. But anyway, he could beat this guy up in a, in a down in a barrier and it was a promoter's son and they, they told the band, you better, you better fly him out of here because he's going to be killed tomorrow. He's a mafia thing. We're in Italy. So anyway, the next night's, the next day or the day after is Naples and Rangi's not there and their other tour manager guy, Warren Knox on the door and he chose Chris. Rangi's not here. We had to fly him out yesterday because they're, he had a death threat and they were worried that promoter guys were going to kill him. So they flew him out, he's back in London. Warren takes me down, puts me in a cab, right? And he spoke some Italian to this cab driver. He, Warren spoke Italian. He spoke a few languages. He goes, Chris, you'll be okay. And I'll see you later on as a gig. So close the door and the cab takes off and it's just a cab driver and me. And this guy, I asked him something. He turned back. He didn't know his English. Fucking a bit English. And we're going down these little dinky roads, man, in Naples. And I'm like, this guy could be taking me somewhere to beat my ass and take, you know, I got my carry on bag and take what I got, you know, nobody even know. And I'm like, and I say something to him, he turns back and says something to me and I can't understand what he's fucking saying. So now I'm getting nervous. About 20 minutes go by and I'm going, fuck, this guy could be taking me the opposite way to show. I could be getting screwed and all of a sudden I see a heavy metal jacket, you know, in Europe they have the kids with the patches on them. Yeah, they all they all look the same. I started feeling like a cool man. I'm going to harvest your organs. I might just know. Anyway, so this cab driver guy, he doesn't take me to the backstage. He drives me right up front to venue. And it was a general admission venue. So there's all the people there waiting to get in and I'm like telling the guy, no, go to the backstage. This cab driver doesn't know. So I kick the door open, right? And I grab my bag and I start running and all these kids are chasing me. And I can remember I just bought a stiletto about two or three days before that because they're legal there. You know, the kind of night for those click click out. I had that in my jacket and I go running up these police. There's I just saw some cops like running up to him and I go to pull my pass out and was around my neck. I go to pull out of the stilettos on the ground. And I look, I look at him. I just grabbed it, put it back in my pocket. I didn't know if it's illegal or not. You know, and go backstage and all of a sudden I heard somebody speak English. It was somebody from the military. Some kid that was in the army goes, Chris, I know in the backstage is like, great. Can you help me out? He knocked a few kids off when he drugged me on show them in the backstage doors. I'm looking forward to the documentary. That's all I'm going to say after that. I'm looking forward to the documentary. You know, you're supposed to have, was it homes? Homes with homes? Is that what it was? Home sweet home. Home sweet home. Yeah. You and Sarah were supposed to do a documentary, sir. Like I guess the Osborns, but in France, right? Like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're going to do that. But we never, we never got, it never got further to have anybody put any money into it, you know, to where they could film it and stuff. It takes a little bit of time of the film crew to be around and stuff. That would have been cool. Yeah, yeah. So another time, the PRMC, which was organized by Tipper Gore, you know, and there was a song by a wasp. I'm trying to remember which one was it? And animal. Yeah, it's fairly obvious, Jim, which one it would have been. Animal. But so I'm just reading Wikipedia here. Were there threats? Were there death threats against bomb threats and stuff like that after the PRMC kind of was on the rise at the cons at concerts and so we would get us a few threats in Ireland. Okay. You know, because White Angle Saxon Protestant. Oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. We've got a few death threats there. One time we were playing and they they Molotov one of the buses in the backstage area. Wow. It was a crew bus, though. Okay. And some of it burned, but I don't think anything was lost on the inside. The bus company just had to get another bus and there's some a bunch of death threats there. It's a hotel and stuff like that. Blackie get them on the road here and there by religious people, you know? Okay. Me, I don't need somebody to give me a death threat. You can come and kill me. Try, try to. You better have a big gun and make sure that the safety is off because you're going to eat it after I get a hold of it. The Undertaker. Chris, have you ever met the Undertaker? Please ask. Yeah. All right. Yeah. We played a show called the rock and roll and wrestling in the Undertaker. A whole bunch of people were there and I was in the bathroom getting ready to do the show after we signed all the autographs or whatever for the day. It's just an all day gig all day and we're supposed to play. I'm in the bathroom, put on my makeup and Undertaker comes walking in and I jump back. I go stand back. I'm going to flip flop you like a fucking pancake. He started, he started laughing. He goes leave me alone. But he was cool. He was cool. You know, you know who I did meet at that show is a guy called the Giants. Yeah. That motherfucker. Huh? He was from France. John Faddee. The Giant? The Andre the. Not Andre the Giant, not Andre the Giant. This guy's, he's like just 180. He's huge. He's fight 580 pounds. He's he's muscle and I reuse standard backstage and I put my guitar on him. You know, say I wanted a picture. I put it on him and I laughed and I remember he grabbed me by the back of my neck in his hand when I'm all my whole neck and he goes that ain't funny. What are you laughing at? And I go, dude, I go, I go every guitar I put on, it looks like a tinker toy. I go, I'm not making funny. I'm just, you know, this and he was a cool guy. There's a picture somewhere. I'm standing next to him and I look like I'm about four foot one. The guy's huge, man. That's the way you death's later. Does anybody know why Chris doesn't play with Johnny Rod anymore? Well, because Johnny Rod's in America. That's a good start. There you go. And I'm here. Yeah, about two years ago, we were going to set up some shows where Johnny comes over and play and he just couldn't get out of America. You know, I think it's because he's had some problems with his immigration there. You know, once you get in trouble with the law, yeah, they don't like, they don't like to give you visas going into other countries. That's like candidate actually. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he's you're right. Yeah, we were setting it up and then he called. We were going to do something on Facebook and he calls up. Don't say anything yet. And then he called up and said he couldn't make it over. Okay. All right. Now what do you got as we sort of? No, just look you look. We got so much, you know, so much to do. We got the, we got the documentary. We got hopefully these tour dates. I mean, if there's anything else, we missed Chris. Now's a good time to promote. I know the fact. Anybody if you want to help me on my record, $10 was good, whatever you, whatever if you can, you can't, it'll help me. If I'm not going to make a threat to anybody, whatever, but if I don't get enough money to finish it, then I got to wait till I tour to make money to finish it. You know, not an ideal situation for reality. We got to get the record out before the tour. That's for sure. And at least, you know, when you're giving the money, you're giving it to Chris and he's going to use it to make an album, whereas in the olden days, you buy an album and went to the record company, right? And you don't even know if you get the artist would get royalties, right? At least you're getting the money to keep it going, keep that musical, you know, that cycle going, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's not like I play money and make a lot of money. It's like I make a lot of money, you know. And to your point is, you know, like when you, you know, when you're in Washington, people probably think you're a millionaire, right? You know, a lot of people think that just because, you know, you're a famous guy, they think you're a millionaire, you know, by default. Yeah, but they're going to the crossroads and paying off the people that you work with, you know. Yeah. You ever heard of the crossroads? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So and then just trusting my main thing is I can ever tell anybody out there, out there. Where's the thing? Yeah, anybody, anybody out there, listen, if you're a musician, don't trust your brother, your mom, your dad, anybody about what money comes in a situation. I did and it ruined, it didn't ruin my life, but it's, I've lost everything of all my, all my songwriting and stuff and lost, I lost it all because I trusted somebody, DTA, don't trust anybody. Make sure you look up on anything you sign, right? Get a lawyer, get a lawyer, right? Always get a lawyer. Fine. A lawyer can't wouldn't be able to help me. No. No, no, I'm just saying. If you sign anything, right? I had, I had a lawyer going and check it out. The guy, the big England guy and he just went, he went by the time, if you went to court and this and that and this, by the time you get paid anything, you'll be about probably 95. I estimate probably a hundred. You know, and to a guitarist that you really like, Frank Marino told me and Alan, you know, I never got paid. He'd never got paid, you know, and the company goes, Oh, you don't like it. We'll sue us. And you just can't sue a record company. Just, you know, you're seeing Frank Marino. Well, we've spoken to him. Sure. Yeah, we've spoken to him and I saw him live as well. Fuck. I saw him a few years back. He played the Canyon Club. And yeah, he's killer player, man. He's one of his big influence on me. You know what? Big influence on me, man. Land of a thousand nights. Ever heard that? Oh, yeah. What a crazy. Oh, amazing, amazing. Oh, yeah. Just juggernaut. I got that on my card. There you go. Did you see Frank in the 70s? No. No, no, no. I heard about him and listen to his records, but never got to, he never, never really played the West Coast. Okay. Yeah. You did a lot of festivals back in the day. You know, he, you know, he stopped and he stopped and like was it Alan in 84? He kind of goes, that's it. I'm done. Yeah. After his biggest selling album and he just, that's it. I'm out of here. He went out on top like he said. Great guitarist, man. This guy's, I call him iconic, iconic. That's the word, right? Well, he plays a certain style of Panatonix like Joe Balsam, Balsanama, whatever the guy's name is. Bonhamassa. Bonhamassa. Bonhamassa. I can't pronounce his name yet. Plays like that style really good. That's what Bonhamassa got his style from Frank Marino. Yeah, yeah. That's what it sounds like to me. You know, Frank Marino, Bonhamassa, whatever. That guy's killer, man. I've watched a few things and he can, yeah, he can play good. You have like Frank Marino and you have Uli-John Roth at the opposite ends, you know, sort of like a, you know, in the Atlantic Ocean and they're sort of similar in a way. They just some great sounds and great guitars just off the charts, off the charts. I saw Uli about two years ago. Yeah. In France. Oh, he's, he's, he's amazing. I saw him too. Oh, he's great. I got to talk to him for a while. He was great to talk to. Yeah, he's such a nice guy. Really cool. Yeah. Yeah, he's a really cool guy. Yeah, yeah. And, and Frank, I gotta tell you about Frank, man, you should, if he ever comes around your area, should go see him again. I'm sure he's gonna, he's like you. He was supposed to go on tour and he couldn't go on tour because of this COVID thing just, you know, stopped everything. Nobody's, nobody's on tour. Yeah. They try to do the thing where you play together on the internet. I wouldn't be able to do that because my internet shuts off all the time. Yeah. I'm surprised it doesn't shut off now because I'm on the phone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so let's just do a recap here. Okay. Canadian tour postponed, but still 2021 dates starting in April to May from Quebec city all the way to Vancouver, Victoria. So and some more dates and it could, again, I just want to mention to everybody. These are tentative. They might change. It might be pushed to 2022, right? So it depends on the COVID, you know, what happens with that? Would you take the vaccine as, if they gave you the vaccine right now, would you take it? Or would you wait? Would you wait? I would take it if Dr. Fauci said it was good to take. I wouldn't take it if Donald Trump said it was good. Okay. What if Bill Gates said it was good? Yeah, if he didn't, yeah, I'd trust him. I'd trust Bill Gates. All right, okay. All right, fair enough. I'd trust him. I tried Dr. Fauci on trust, but you know, I just, you know, people that tend to lie will keep lying. All right, the state of the music industry. So playing with fire is the new single and I will take the link and I've been taking these links and I've been posting them in the text so people could check them out. I see that some people have donated already. That's not, it's not, playing with fire isn't really a single for the record. It was something Sarah wanted to put out. Yes. Because of the COVID. Yeah. Because of the COVID. So the song about the COVID. You know. So playing with fire, I just put the single so everybody can go check that out. Go ahead, Alan. Oh, yeah, yeah. Donations and we got the documentary coming out in January. So nothing but promising future for Chris Holmes. Chris, you know, if the virus goes down, if the virus goes down, it's spiking up right now. Oh, yeah. Here in Montreal, it's spiking up. Like we started this conversation. Alan was saying that in Quebec or Montreal, it's on the rise now. Who's getting it? We don't know. We don't know if it's a bunch of, you know, nine year olds were terminal with cancer. We don't know. But I do know that. I know somebody has got it. Yeah. Well, unfortunately, I knew someone to pass it away from it and it was very, very sad. Yeah, it's not, it's not, it's not a thing the Democrats made to take over this election from Trump. It's actually came from China. It's actually killed people. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not to be taken lightly for sure. So no, it's not. Yeah. And I know Chris, you know, when you're a musician, you know, you fans want to meet you. They want to shake your hands. They want to hug you. They want to take pictures with you. It's tough being a musician, right? Even in these days, like, even if you did go on tour, you can't really touch the fans, right? And I mean it in a nice way. I don't mean it. Well, every, every time I would tour in the last five years, I'd come home and be sick. Yeah. I'd bring some kind of cold home or something to somebody, but you have to be with the fans. They all want to picture. If you're sitting there signing stuff, everybody knows it's handing you a pins. They touch the pins or whatever you're signing your two feet from everybody. And it's, you know, with the COVID, you can't, you know, but yeah. It wasn't a good idea before. And it's even the worst idea now. That's a good way to put it, Alan. Yeah, you get colds. I guess Plexiglas. You know, that's, that's how you take pictures like that. It's not worth it. You know, no, I do you still get a kick out of meeting the fans? Yeah. Yeah, man. It makes people, I like to see people, you know, walk away with a smile on their face. You know, they're happy. Yeah. Yeah. That's cool. You know, after all these years, you know, it doesn't wear off, you know, I guess for some artists that wears off, but I've I've always, I've always liked talking to the fans. Blackie hated it. He, he hated me even talking to him after shows, you know, but I always did because you get information from them and their fans, you know, they want to meet people. After every Iron Maiden show, the manager had made Iron Maiden. Well, this isn't the old days, but he'd make them go back after the backstage. Everybody had been standing there and signed everything until there was nobody there. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I paid off. All right. So documentary new album, everybody, you know, go to Indiegogo, you know, support Chris Holmes, you know, and we're saying that in the kindest of way. We're not forcing anybody and Chris. Yeah. Always a pleasure to have you on. It's always a treat. I love your honesty. I think everybody enjoys your brutal honesty and of course your music. We'll talk again. Alan closing. No. Thanks again, Chris. It's always a pleasure. And like you said, always a fun time when we got Chris Holmes on the show. All right. Thanks a lot. All right, guys. All right. Mary. Thank you. Yeah, we'll talk every day. Happy Halloween. Happy Halloween. All right. Thanks. Bye. I'm shutting her down here.