 George Bruno with the 21 report the European edition. We're in Warsaw, Poland And I'm having a conversation with Steve the Dean Williams. Welcome, sir. Thank you for having me man. Absolutely How are things going for you here? Let me tell you something Anthony the the speakers is just great. I love the chemistry the camaraderie It's just everybody's learning the workshops is again Just just like it was in Orlando just a one great job. This is your second event. Yes, the 21 organization. Yes, okay Yeah What is the difference that you have seen between the Patriarch which was your first? Time with us the Patriarch convention and this convention. Do you see any discernible differences? No, it's just different information. The Patriarch was more about fatherhood family and this is more about Giving more information to these young men. So to me and but everything else besides that is exactly the same the Treatment the the love the everything just everything is I just love it all man The European audience is different than the American audience. I've noticed they're They're different. They're intense When we're out in social situations, they're intense I can tell the European guys from the American guys. They have a different look. Mm-hmm. They love their haircuts Yes, they all have like sharp haircuts when we're all out socializing They're really into the topics that we're talking about yes, and I don't I think that We are spoiled in our country in the sense that we have so much access to this information They're just eating this up. Oh, yeah. Oh, they're loving every bit of it To me, I think they're it seems like they're a little bit back in time. I mean, that's not a bad thing It's just what is it just a little bit back in time, but But as far as information they they they they're soaking it up. Yes I mean you see them in their chairs. They're leaning forward. They're taking notes Yes, just notes after notes. They're hungry. They're always like starving hyenas. Yeah, starving. Yeah, I love it It's amazing. Yeah What was your talk about? My talk was really about the approach really Just doing it in a way where you're not being somebody different I think a lot of guys out there don't realize being transparent being clear and concise and Just understanding that women are not stupid and for some reason there There's something must go around that women just are blind dumb and deaf as far as all the information that's going out there when women are If not smarter than most of these guys because at a young age, they're learning the game Yes, while we're rolling our tonkatoi toys and playing with our action figures and not dolls but action figures Yeah, they are soaking up information. They're online. They're watching shows. They watch. I'm sure they watch your podcast Yes, they keep their eye on things to see what's going on so they can make adjustments number one But number two, it's not like it hasn't been invented before Yeah, unfortunately a lot of these young men are under the impression that because the internet started and guys are talking about it that I Guess we were in the dark ages and nothing happened before the internet so I find That your message is so different than There's a certain segment of the men's community That seems to want to orchestrate manipulate con Just Pull stuff out of thin air Mm-hmm, and you're like a direct approach guy Well, I'm just a man. I always said I'm just a man I mean I I learned how to do it the right way. Yeah, there's no trickery There's there's none. There's there's no trickery. I always tell guys if you want trickery. I'm out out of a mouth out I'm sold out. I don't have you more. No, I never had in the first place But no, it's just being honest and being a man, but knowing who you are knowing what you want and Just doing it in a way where you're not hey, baby, yo mama or you know I saw you over there and your eye or being at this angle and I've got to be at that angle Yeah, it's like they are complicating the wheel It's like somebody's taking the wheel and they're saying the wheel is not good enough Even though the wheel worked before computers before electricity and before fire the wheel was fine But a lot of people don't understand that the the game was never about women That's what people don't understand. It was never about women. It was about Learning about building yourself. Yes Growing understanding who you are and the women were a byproduct of your growth But yeah, some of these guys saw the women and you know, they asked some questions. Well, how do you do it in this? Oh, I'll use that. I'll try to make it my own and create this gimmick That throws everybody off the scent. I think I call it defanging and declawing these young men Yeah, to thinking that the game is about the woman or picking up or the approach the approaching has nothing to do So you're saying the game is more about yourself. It's always been about yourself. Yes You know, I tell guys they were hustlers max players and pimps of all races. They're just not just black I mean, yeah, when you hear that you would automatically assume whether black guys. Yeah gangsters back in the day Italian gangsters Japanese Chinese guess They were all about their business The women were a byproduct of the business They always kept their eyes on the prize of what they wanted and who they were women were Attracted to that they never did it for the women. They didn't say I want to build this empire to have a woman Right, I'm gonna build the empire the woman comes along. It comes along great And if she doesn't great, but I'm gonna keep moving and building and working on me. It's always been like that It's just since the worldwide web has come along and people want to manipulate these young men who? Don't even understand. They're innocent. You know, they're innocent. They want to learn But here you are a used car salesman trying to sell Some fake goods to people. Yes taking advantage of them And you answered my question because I was gonna say to you what is game and you really you just described it Absolutely, not even game. It's truth. It's true. It's life, right? See They never called it game. This is just who I am. Yeah, this is how I'm living, right? So somebody over there said well, I'm gonna call it game and write this big book. Yeah called the game Yeah, and it wasn't even about the game. There are seminars going on right now. Just teaching men gimmicks. Yes tricks. Yes That's what I did in the seminar with the the doctor thing. I Asked them, okay If something happened to me and I needed surgery and there was a guy that went to YouTube and learned on YouTube And then the one that had the medical degree. Who do you go to you go to experience? Yes But these young men again, they're so far in the forest. They can't even see the trees Yes, because all I'm trying to do is not complicated, but it's complicated because it's so easy. Yes, I Had a guy ask a question. He was like wait. Well, I want to have sex with her. What do you mean? What me? I don't understand. Well, wait a second. It's never about sex. It's about my time Right, I'm not even think I always tell guys y'all are so busy thinking about sex You're playing into her hand right because she knows the game, right? Makeup manipulation the push-up bra So they know the manipulation yes, so you're trying to trick a trickster that's good You can't do that. Yeah, but what it she doesn't know is honesty She's not used to somebody introducing himself Talking to her and letting her know this is why I came over This is what I like to do not take you up dinner. Maybe we get something light. Yeah ice cream tea Coffee or even go and feed the ducks because to me it's about are we compatible? Yeah I'm not even thinking about sex because I need to know if you're worth my time my attention right and then What are you gonna bring to the table other than your body a man and a woman can get sex anywhere, but you can't find Commitment love something meaningful anywhere, right you and that's the problem These guys are not looking for meaningful. They're looking for a one-night stand or something They seem in porn they think that they welcome to the woman say hi the music starts playing She starts a button in their shirt. Yeah, and then Wait, no, yeah, it doesn't work. Yeah, so yeah, like I said in my speech life doesn't revolve around five seconds of pleasure You still have to look each other in the eye and yes, you know absolutely What advice would you give to a young man who's been told that he needs to learn game Needs to learn tricks and gimmicks and he's spending money going to seminars and getting coached and Buy these theorists I'm always about receipts You have to be able to bite the gold to see if it's real or if it's fake. Yeah There's so many felt false prophets out there preaching that they know game Wow false profit Yes, and wow and that's profound Yeah, and the thing about these false prophets is you've never seen them around a woman You never see them interact with the woman isn't that a fact is there and all they're doing is pushing the narrative Yeah, or selling a book and that's why and and again no knock on authors. I think you know Reading a book and your behaviors and and you if you put the behavior to the book. Yes, that's good But if you're just turning the pages How much energy goes into flipping a page? Yeah, but see the false prophet wants to push that narrative on you And that's why I say if you if you see the thing about a man is a man doesn't have to lie a Man which should never tell you to lie to a woman because a man has options And those guys are doing that those guys are teaching young men Divorce men that they need to deceive in order to get to point B It's not even the deceiving. That's even worse. They're telling guys not to get married Don't start families stay away from women because they're the scourge of the earth Yeah, but the the person listen to that guy Needs to look at the guy that's saying and look at the false prophet and look like like the wizard a wizard of all Look behind the curtain at the person control pull back the curtains and if you pull back the curtain Yes, you can see that truth But again Sometimes they they act like they're greater than everything like they floating on this cloud And they's like this is what it's got to be and they're just so amazed by that person They don't look until it's too late, but then they're caught in family court or in a bad situation you do a show on Is it Monday or Tuesday Monday night Monday nights, and you do that by yourself. Yes, it's not a Panel of five or six people and sometimes that show goes for hours doesn't it? Yeah four sometimes five hours Yeah, four or five hours, and you have people call in yes And you don't know what's going to be on the other end of the phone and you take those calls and You turn you you produce something with those calls. It's not like you pre-plan who's going to call you You don't wouldn't that when you say hello caller you're on the you're on the air What's your question? Yes, and they shoot out a question because you don't have a producer sitting in another room Screening the calls you get them again. We go with tears in their eyes You get them when they just got divorced just broke up when they you know How do you where do you get your where do you get it from to deal with these? These calls like that these men that just throw some of the craziest questions How do you personally do that because you handle it with grace? Experience it goes back to experience at the end of the day. I'll have guys call in I'm have a text message from a girl. She just texted me. What do I say? Okay, just let me know Comes like that because when you're real and you have the experience and you have the knowledge because I started at nine I've been doing this since nine years old So I've been learning and learning and I understand Relationships I understand women I understand self. I understand sex. I understand dating Understand all those things because all those things are different and you've got to be well Versed in those things to be able to do that and your husband and you're a father So as they say it's not theory. It ain't bragging if you can do it. You're doing it. Yes, sir Yeah, I'm absolutely that's why that's why I was doing shows as I got off the game I retired that you know if it's if I wasn't retired you might not know me because I'll be out there Biting next and taking them up the tree. Yeah, right? Yeah, so yeah, but I believe that Because I was taught someone gave me the information I was able to take that information and I was and I'm able to give it to those who are willing now again I don't want to force it. I'm not I'm not a false prophet saying or trying to scare you into doing something or to follow me If you want to follow me follow me bite the gold and see if I'm the real deal. It's real Yeah, ask me a question do it call into the show test my knowledge. Give me a scenario. I'm good. I got you How does a man pursue excellence? He pursues excellence by virtue by pursuing himself The he has got to work on his king his warrior his man and his lover see the way Everything works is knowledge of self knowledge of women knowledge of dating and knowledge of sex These are four things that must run as a system and now, you know system is you know a system works Because the subsystem parts I have to work if there's one subsystem part that doesn't work The system as a whole will not function well. So it's not just working going Well approaching which has nothing to do with those four. These guys are so busy If we're looking at a chess match These guys are not even in the parking lot to get into the door to watch the chess match when it comes to approach it Because that's not the game What it's all about is learning about you because you are broken up in so many facets guys don't realize that There's a sex side knowledge itself. That means When do I shift it up to being seductive romantic? Yeah, sexual and sensual or shifting it down to be naughty kinky dirty and nasty freaky Yeah, when do I ship that that's the that's the love? Yeah For myself my laws rules codes principles and narratives that I have to live by So when I meet a woman she can be able to either share those experiences with me or not It's her choice knowledge of dating Understanding that dating today is all about when you're scared. You've got to buy the dinners You've got to buy the drinks. I don't buy dinners and drinks for sex I buy dinners and drinks for company because I want her company to see if she's worth my time to move on to the next I like that. Yes, so So it's not all about that five seconds of pleasure that right and knowledge of women see Most men think all women are the same the false prophets will generalize women as One whole bunch of ignorant women, you know, stay away from the single mother But I say this what if she was a great mother a loving wife and the husband was bad Yes, she gave him a son and he was bad. Do you do you scorch her because she's a single mother? No, absolutely not. I always say women are like music You have your classical music your jazz your blues your Latin your pop your rock your house your your hip hop Your soul your soul man and all that you have different kinds of women. So that's why when I want you to approach them You don't know what you're dealing with That's why you go with courtesy because we're all gentlemen. We're gentlemen. We were refined men That's why and excuse myself because I'm interrupting your day Excuse me. You're not interrupting mine Introduce with a handshake why because I believe sex starts when we first meet so I want to make hand contact Yeah, and I want to introduce and then get your name and tell your name Why there's most men don't listen. Yeah, they're too busy looking at their breasts and all the other parts of her not looking at Her eyes. Yeah, this is why I came over here. That's the next thing I came over here because maybe was your smile. Maybe it was your dimple. Maybe it was the way you did this I don't know whatever your why is I want to let you know because I want you to know that I'm interested in you And then my intentions. I want to take you out and get to know you better now What if she asked me do I want a relationship because a lot of guys like well What if she asked me do I want a relationship or what do I want from her? Well to be honest with you I don't really know what I want from you because I don't know you well enough, but don't get me wrong I find you very attractive. This is why I'm over here, but my thought is Does your behavior match up with your beauty? That's what I'm trying to find out and if I can find that out I'll let you know at that point in time This was wonderful. This really was I call this bringing dignity back to game dignity and Respect taking it out of the gutter and bringing it back and making Gaming great again a conversation with Steve the Dean Williams. Thank you, sir. Thank you so much. I appreciate you, sir