 Live from Barcelona, Spain, it's theCUBE. Covering Cisco Live 2018. Brought to you by Cisco, Veeam, and theCUBE's ecosystem partners. Okay, welcome back everyone, this is theCUBE's live coverage at Cisco Live 2018 in Europe. I'm Geoffrey, cohost of theCUBE with my partner in crime this week, Stu Miniman, analyst at wikiman.com. Also cohost of theCUBE at all the events we go to, most of the events, I should say. Next guest is Ashutosh, Madeline Gakar, who's the principal engineer at Cisco DevNet, involved in a lot of the great projects at Sandbox we're going to talk about. Welcome to theCUBE. Thank you, thank you for having me, Jack. Thanks for coming on. One of the exciting stories here is the DevNet momentum continues. Congratulations to your team. Thank you. But you're involved in a couple cool parts of the projects that we noticed was getting a lot of traction. Yes. Co-create at Sandbox. First, take a minute to talk about what that project is and why is it so popular. Yeah, so as you know, DevNet is becoming the key core for Cisco. And one of the things that we did in DevNet is it's a strategic initiative where we said that we are going to call it co-creations. And what that means is we are co-creating with Cisco's strategic partners, that's one. The second is that we are taking our top customers, like our top 10 customers or top 100 customers, our partners, and our developers. So we are looking at each of these three categories and saying, how can we actually help and take that to the next level with DevNet. So you're sharing a lot of resource. Is it the same project that people bring their own? Project to the table? How does it work? Yes, so it's both. So for example, I'll talk about, first let's talk about strategic initiatives where a strategic partner, sorry. And in there, we have Apple and Google as our strategic partners. With Apple, what we have done is we have actually created a Fastlane validation program. And what that does is with Fastlane as a product, what we are doing is any app developer who wants to use application quality of service, we actually help them validate their application in DevNet. And one of the things that we noticed is app developers really don't understand quality of service, QoS. And as soon as we say quality of service, they freak out, right? And so we have to actually hand hold them, let them understand what it means, and then we actually help them take their application on the path. I mean there's a lot of things in networks that are like that, deep packet inspection, people freak out and QoS, but QoS is a very important feature. It is. Big time. It is, and that's one thing that we are basically saying, how can network be the platform where you can use performance as a building block? So, and if you heard Susie in her keynote, that's what she was stressing on, right? We want to have that as a building block for developers. Yeah, really interesting points. We've been, one of the things we've been digging in the last few days is kind of a changing partner ecosystem. There's some partners that have been with Cisco for decades, networking, infrastructure, but Apple, not a traditional Cisco partner. The other one that you mentioned, Google. I did, yeah. So, believe Google's here doing some presentations. John and I have been digging into all the CNSEF projects, so what's Google doing here? Yeah, so with Google, what we have, Cisco has done is we are coming up with our hybrid or multi-cloud strategy, and in the hybrid cloud strategy, what we are doing is there are things where, like if I'm an app developer, on-prem app developer, and I want to access services which are in the cloud. Now, what the partnership does is we have our security services all the way from on-prem to the cloud, deployed in the Google cloud system, and as an app developer, I can do my services on-prem but access some services which are in the cloud. So that's one application. Second is that if I'm an app developer working already in the cloud, but I want to access some of the services which are on-prem, then how do I do it? And that's what this partnership is also helping out. How's the reaction been of the Cisco Live audience here? How many people are lining up to come listen to Google talk about STO? Yeah, so STO is one part, but Kubernetes, if you look at our sandbox, we have, it's becoming one of our most popular sandbox in DevNet, and Kubernetes is hot, and with the Google partnership, we are also working with Google on STO. It's an open-source project, and what we have done is we have created a sandbox for STO. And that is also like, it's kind of an industry first, where developers are able to understand, like go through a learning lab to actually understand what it means. Yeah, absolutely. John and I were at the KubeCon show, we interviewed Lou from the Cisco team, heavily involved in the open source, but yeah, one of those things, how do we simplify it? How do we help people get the on-ramp? Sandbox is a great way for people to get started. That's correct. One of the things that we're excited about, and this is something that we're going to be doing, digging into all year, is the impact of Kubernetes. And the sandboxing points to the trend of how people are partnering. I think you guys struck a really interesting form of this co-creation model, because if you look at what service meshes are doing in markets, is that the more that you can make it easier for developers, and at the same time, enabling the engineering side of it, getting down and dirty. We're talking about QoS, we're talking about plumbing stuff, right? There's still a lot of automation being done under the hood. This is the network opportunity, this is where we're seeing automation around provisioning and configuration management, all that good stuff. That needs to get done, but it has to be addressable for true programmability. We're not there yet, but we're almost there. You're getting there, yes. What's your reaction to that? A 19 year veteran at Cisco, Cisco has an inherent advantage, having the network. So looking up, that's been enabling, but now you have people who want to look down and program it to you. Kind of a new dynamic. It is, it is. How are you guys looking at this? So the way I look at it, as you said, I've seen Cisco grow, I mean, I've grown up in the company, and one of the things that Cisco being the expert in networking, we have experts now, which are getting to doing everything, right? In the sense like now, the edge is where a lot of stuff is happening. And when you deploy edge services, you also need stuff that needs to be done in the cloud. So for example, one of the examples I like to do is, give you is, let's take machine learning as a good example, where I want to download some models, machine learning models onto the edge, but the traffic is actually all at the edge. So I'm taking all the inputs from the edge, taking at the edge, calculating things, and then the models are being built in the cloud because I can't build those at the edge. So that's the thing that is happening now. And what we see here is that Cisco is in the midst of both edge as well as cloud. And IOT was going to be very instrumental. I mean, if you talk about the, if you talk to the pure networking nerds and geeks out there, they're going to say edge, we've been doing edge of the network for years, but now the edge is extending, right? To IOT. So it's not a new concept of Cisco at all, is it? It's not, it's not at all new at all. Because like, as I said, like, you know, something very similar to what we are doing for the Apple Fastlane, as I told you before, like now the app developer has the ability to give QOS right at the app level, right? The same thing, like with IOT, it's like all the devices are connected to Cisco, right? And this is what's going to be fun to watch because you guys now have compute to throw at the edge. You have cloud that you can connect to the edge, but this is going to change the nature of programming. Stateful and stateless applications become a really interesting dynamic. What's your reaction to that trend as developers start to really start thinking about state? Sure, so one of the things that like, again, I go back to the edge thing where like, you know, if you have a train, like if you have a tunnel and then there are cars passing by, you are actually like looking at the cars as let's say a stream of dots, right? Now that state, you cannot be like, giving and storing it somewhere. So you basically keep it at the edge, you figure out what's happening, compute and take some actions there itself, right? That's where the action is. Ashutosh, thank you for coming on theCUBE and sharing your knowledge, appreciate it, congratulations on the co-creation, Fastlane service you guys have among other things. The collaboration model is the future. Cisco is really demonstrating that in the DevNet zone, so props to the team. It's theCUBE, we always collaborate, share the best content here live in Barcelona with you. I'm John Furrier with Stu Miniman. More live coverage, day two of our two days wall-to-wall live coverage of Cisco Live 2018 in Europe. This is theCUBE, we'll be right back with more after this short break.