 Oh my god, you scared me out of me. Oh my gosh. I was like, and then I forgot that I had joined early. I was like, oh my gosh. I just happen to see you. That's all. It's been a while. Is somebody behind me? I was like, I was coming from inside the computer. I know. I feel like this week is not my week, y'all. I took, I took an L, I took an L yesterday on the work tip. It was just like the list that I created for myself that day. I think I crossed off like one out of 20. I have this new system where like I just, I turn over a page and if it wasn't done, hopefully it'll come up again. Yeah. Yeah, I got tired carrying things over. Like, I know my, like I've been, I've been keeping this like recurring stand-up document for my boss and I'm just been like hopping and pasting the next, like. Yeah, that sounds like some overwhelm. Trying, trying this again. Trying this. Yeah, like this is not the year for to-do lists. It's a, this is actually something that happened in the space of like contributor strategy stuff. I am thinking about this as far as like if our communities are not going to be as productive as we would normally expect them to be, then what? That's to bring it back in towards like, you know, the topic at hand, but how dare you? Oh no, because I mean, I'm hearing rumblings about, you know, like Kubernetes releases being delayed just a little bit and stuff like that. Like it's impacting people. And part of that is sort of like, because there was kind of this expectation that we would basically see each other at a Kibcon and, and like it would be like a magical deadline that if you didn't have your shit together by then, everyone would know. And that's not really present anymore. So in the absence of that, what other pieces can we kind of look towards? So that is what I am thinking about these days. Crushing anxiety to get stuff done. Is that what you're saying? I mean, that's, that's one method. Shame driven development is also fun. No, but really more seriously thinking about like, what happens if we hit like, you know, like as we hit like November for Boston and, and, and we don't have releases and we don't have things like, what do we do? We just have really stable products. Yeah, I mean, framing then. Okay. I mean, finally, not okay to say, but we would, we would have very stable products instead of playing catch up every three months. That's a nice reframing of like, you know, we would focus on stability and we would focus on like, you know, being able to like, you know, bug fixing, right? I mean, that's what we're doing, you know, on my team, actually is just refocusing on other things instead of catching up on keeping up with upstream. That's fair. That's fair. All right. Go ahead. 33 after. I'm like, let's get this party started. All right. It's only five of us two, so we can chill. What was I gonna say? Yes, agendas and chat. I already put all of our names on it. I personally only have one thing today. I do have to skedaddle at 11. And does anybody else have any topics or agenda or discussion items? Actually, I do have another discussion, which is the hotel stuff. Open telemetry. I'll fill y'all in on that. Okay. Anybody else have any other discussion points or anything for the agenda? Not me. All right. So we are like, I feel like two seconds away from shipping the survey and the and all of the verbiage, which is awesome. Now we are at the stage of who's doing what, why, how, who. April has already taken some stuff in chat. The thing that I said in chat still stands. I'm down to do the majority of this, but I know like, Carolyn, you're tied to some other communities internally. So it might be weird for me to like do it when you can just do your own kind of community thing. Same thing with E or you might want to take some of these too. Some of them have like ambassador stuff. April's taking the slack, the private slack channel though. But if we could all assign owners to this, we could ship this today for sure. Carolyn, what do you think about? Do you want to? Which communities were you thinking of exactly? All of them. Because I'm tying in communities that aren't seen CF actually. Well, you're, are you tied to Helm a little bit? Oh yeah. Yeah, I can bring this to home. Yeah. Okay. I was like, How about Brigitte? Brigitte, Fruitshoe, Cubelet and other Microsoft-born C&C projects. Yeah. Yeah, muted, Carolyn. Yes, too muted. I mean, we could, we could also ask the ambassadors to help spread the word amongst their own communities. Yes, please feel free. Yeah, we'll definitely do it, but after this meeting. Yeah, like if, I know I said that, you know, I volunteered to share it in the ambassador slack, but like if Ewhor wants to do like a coordinated effort where we ask the ambassadors to kind of share the survey and everything with their own communities, like I think that would be great. Yep, that's an idea. I just want to make sure that all 45 plus communities are hit. That's my concern. So I'm saying I can like, we can just blast the, blast the dev lists or y'all can individually contact your own. So I'm going to, I put GRPC on the not blast list. And then I'll also put, I'll also take off Helm. I'll say Carolyn's doing Helm or Karen too. It doesn't matter. I just figured it would be better coming from your voices than mine. Like, who is this? I mean, they're my co-workers. So yeah, between the two of us, we can, we can fill it out. Everybody knows who you are, Paris. And nah, nah, it's not, it's not a true. All right. And then owner for maintainer list, I think this should probably be Josh or somebody. So I'm going to put Josh in because he doesn't have much. He's also out of the office until like, I'm going to say Monday. Okay. Well, I'll put myself, I mean, like, it is fine if you want to be able to do that. Just the expectation is. Yep. No, I did not. Thank you very much. And then TOC, we've got that covered private dev channel. We've got that covered. Ambassadors got that covered the next one. Oh, so CNCF is going to also do a blog. I put the blog in the Slack channel as well. Julie was super helpful and got that drafted for us. We just need to review it. I told her hold until after all of this stuff is done. So probably sometime next week, I figured that personal reachouts would be better than people seeing on a blog first. Or at least the opportunity to have personal reachouts kind of thing. But that's it. So I mean, that's pretty much our timeline. I'd say by not tomorrow, but the following Friday, pretty much everybody in the community should at least have at least have heard about us, looked at skimmed an email header, like for some kind of thing. One note on timing. I am seeing a lot of people to include us have tomorrow off. It may be worth being able to blast this Monday rather than being able to blast it today. You can make all the plans today. That's completely fine. I'm starting to be aware of people not looking at their email, shall we say? I would do some communication across the Ambassadors community on Monday, if that's possible. Because I don't like to do any communication like the day before weekend, especially if we have three days weekend. A lot of people have had this come up kind of suddenly as well. So make all the plans. Today's kind of like Friday and it's never good to launch something on a Friday. If you can, if you wanted to not have input then, but this you actually want input. So start calling me. Good call. Sorry, helping. Monday, June 21st. Yes. So and then I'll tell Julie then probably Thursday for blog. We've got a few other blog posts coming out earlier in the week, so I think that's totally fine. Yep. Just from a timing perspective, I know that you wanted to be able to say everybody knows about this by next Friday. I'm like, kind of. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, like I've been just saying, like with it, like by the time like a five to eight day period or rolls through, like when up from our send out or whatever, that's all. All right, well, that's all I really wanted to get done right now. I'm not going to lie to you. I just wanted to see who was knew what as far as this is concerned. But as far as the open telemetry stuff, I, I know I tagged my tag. I gave everybody the link and slack. Let me pull it up. They were talking about getting like some advice for kind of like how to set up community infrastructure that would allow them to start outreach for for underrepresented contributors. So I thought that might be cool for something that we could think about in the future. It's like best practices or stuff we could do with the contributor growth working group. I did tell them to feel free to come to any one of our meetings. I told them that we could come to them. I just figured we could kind of take that advisory approach with them, but they're also discussing kind of like the the meta issue of like, do they need a community manager? Do they need a SIG like that kind of thing, which is really awesome because that's what we want the projects to do. I think now as well, they kind of see, oh wow, we, we really need to focus on this. So that's the open telemetry back story there. Anything else going on in the community? Community. Inclusive language. I did set an issue for that as well. And Kate, that's what I'm doing at 11. Kubernetes is forming a working group. I'm going to see what's going on there because I know container D and a bunch of other projects are also asking for lists because they've changed some of the other keywords already. I know the container D team has already done a lot of different, I don't know, I don't know the specifics, but I know they've done a few different words. But they actually specifically asked if CNCF would help out with some kind of inclusive list of things. So Celeste with SIG docs and Kubernetes actually already started a list. So I'm going to see what comes of this and if we can surface this kind of stuff and and things like that. Are these words like for use in documentation and repos or like, okay, I wasn't sure what the full context was. And is it, are they, are they looking at like a banned list of words or how the list that that's the lesson SIG docs has now it's inclusive language and non racist language for components documentation, pretty much anything on your technology stack. And what they're doing is I think they're doing kind of like a ban option or a this is better than option. They're giving a couple different layers of advice and they're also but it's also actually, hold on, let me have the link. I didn't know if it was like here's a resource for being more inclusive and the things that you say, or if it was more of like it's a project, never say these other things. It'll give maintainers who want to be able to adopt more inclusive language of an ability to say the CNCF recommends these without having to tackle defending why they want to adopt different languages and explain each and everyone like this is why we're doing allow block list. This is why we're changing master domain. Right. This is why we're doing XYZ and having to fight each individual battle themselves they can refer up to this is what the CNCF recommends and let us explain once. I was just I was just curious kind of how the approach was for it but I think it's a great resource for people to have for sure. Yeah. Like I saw the Google one was good. I won't lie. I thought that was nice the the Google developer one and I know a couple other companies and stuff have put out like some guidelines and like we might even want to look at all that stuff as well. But hold on. I've got the here's the link and I lied. Hold on. I must not hit copy. Here we go. Happy and paste. I'll put it in chat too. One sec. Actually that was just the link to the actual thread itself. Here's the link to the doc. Here we go. That's ugly. Everybody get it. Yeah. This is great. Oh my gosh. Yes. I would love to see some of these words switched out. So it's just pretty much giving some kind of like context background and then also like technical justifications things along those lines. And this is happening in Kubernetes and I'm trying to figure out how to just bubble this up because the other thing is I know a lot of CNCF projects are actually going to be at this the SIG architecture meeting listening to what they're doing. So I'm just wanting to make sure that everybody is collectively coming together on this instead of realizing that you know they're recreating wheels if you will. So I thought this could also be a good maintainer circle topic for work whenever we can kick kick that off hopefully soon. So that's it for me folks. Eor what's up with you lately? No news. No news. Is that good news? Is that good no news? Well I hope. Is that three days weekend somewhere outside of my city for the first time in three months? That sounds very exciting. April what's up with you? How is JRPC? JRPC is fantastic as always. We have the JRPC Pancakes has not done anything recently. He's not going anywhere. I mean that's the thing like he should have been to where were we supposed to go for KubeCon this year. I don't even remember where we went to Amsterdam. Was that EU? He should have been to Amsterdam. He should have seen some tulips. I was actually really looking forward to having the sticker of like pancakes running through a field of tulips but sadly no. So yeah he's just sitting at home doing nothing. A tulip pipeline. Yeah the JRPC conference is next month so everyone should attend. Carolyn how are you on your projects? Oh my gosh I am so excited. My team has interns and I love mentoring. It's so much fun. It's great. I'm having a blast. So are they all over or? They are working on CNAB bundles with me and Crustlet the rust tulip. Nice. Oh cool. Yeah and it's great. We're having so much fun. I love that. It's awesome. It's like every week we have hashtag real talk time where we talk about things that have nothing to do with tech and it's really great. I love it. Love it. We need that stuff in hours but the problem with that is our chill sessions usually end up as work talk. Oh no no we talk about all sorts of like things going on in like the industry and tech about negotiating pay and like how to like I don't know all sorts of things. Keeping friends when you switch companies like when would you actually want to work in open source. I don't know we talk about like career ranging problems and I love it because my interns are thinking about big stuff. It's good. I'm yearning for that kind of stuff right now. I'm yearning for that like I'm yearning. All right. Well y'all are patty bunches. Amy how are you? The CNCF side I am delighted to be able to have the TOC review the new samdax process next week. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah so hold on. Like that one that one's just TOC but it's going to be recorded and published and the conversation is really like we are going to go through and just be able to review public comments on the spreadsheet. So we are still in public comment period for that particular document and let me go see if I can't find that tab. There are the millions of tabs that I have but. Oh my god Amy how big is that spreadsheet gotten by the way? Large. This large and in charge. That opens up that form opens. People are going to be like flooding out with projects. Well so what I'm not the only one that's waiting. I was actually being like fairly like reasonable about this. I made an entirely separate spreadsheet so that the form isn't going to be like lambasted with like public comments but my challenge right now was actually running into the google docs problem of someone made a comment and here somewhere no idea where it is. I asked like where is it? It's like gone. But yeah lots of stuff in here really looking forward for that on like the kind of CNCF contributor like bringing a new project side frankly so. I think it's a good problem. People are really excited about the changes. It is and unfortunately a lot of these people have been sitting out for like a while from like you know a large variety of reasons. Some of it like the project got busy and some of it was like man we had a lot of questions and like it's just it's kind of all over the board so yeah. I'm optimistic I feel like things are moving in the right direction so you know it's gonna work but it's good. Um yeah I'm curious about how this is going to go down and of course like the people come in and put comments and hear about like that you didn't get this right and I'm like help. People are picky. That's okay. Nothing is ever perfect. Everything for a living document. Is it supposed to be Tuesday at 8? Yes. Then as soon as like the recording comes through I'll publish it and that sort of thing. The intention right now is just like the trial run for people to come in and kind of you know see how this goes and all of that and we were we were supposed to be able to have this a couple weeks ago but we had a maintainer diversity issue come in and frankly needed some immediate attention so all things. Yeah 8 a.m. meetings I catch the recording. Pacific time oh well yeah yeah but yeah Paris that's that's like the the fun stuff going on from my side as it relates towards like contributors and strategy and all of that and how um we're frankly like we were looking for input so um you know what I'm sure it's too late at this point but I wonder if we should have some kind of maintainer circle-y thing for cube con the 17th through 20th virtual um drop an email to speakers um at and we'll start like tracking for that because uh the the thing is that each of the sigs actually do get the room sessions here and I am not sure if you guys put in for a session and if that was the case then that would be an appropriate use for your session yeah I don't know all right I'll poke around and in the past I have hosted a um a maintainers kind of birds of a feather session I canceled that for cube con because my understanding was everybody was going to be on so many zooms they'd be dreaming in zoom but if you want to bring that back I'm I'm completely fine with being able to reschedule that um or just frankly make it yours oh I don't know let me think about it okay I want to make it worthwhile I like you're saying I just don't want to get another zoom so I mean yet another zoom with purpose but yeah yeah I want yeah purpose is good so I'm zoomed out so this is my I'm zoomed out face exactly I was trying to be kind to folks understanding that like we have another two months of this I hope you like it yeah that's what I'm saying okay I would sorry April I look meet yourself dates and calendar maybe closer than may appear other fun things are kind of outside the scope um uh the to-do group is hosting a track for opens for a summit north america so that's kind of other interesting things running around yeah that's that's kind of applicable they have applicable topics so it's close enough um there should be a blog post coming out frankly as soon as I mash merge on some of the to-do stuff but yeah good fun yeah I miss the to-do group well they're they're gonna be out in force that track is Monday the 29th so all right that's it for me folks cool it's all I got I'm going to run to another meeting so it's good to see all of you yeah look at us getting done early yeah I know get time back by all by your missy hi Karen I didn't even know you were here you're even lurking hi oh my gosh no I like oh I clicked off the participants tab after like I saw it was just five of us oh my god I did not total I like would have said like what's up Karen oh my gosh I'm so sorry all good how are you um good mainly just like wrapping things up to do camp cloud native next week yeah nice yeah I'm like gosh yeah no I would have like did you hear me talking about helm no I came out after that I was in the same meeting as carolyn we have like this like brunch thing with our interns okay cool no um the survey and the like to send out about like who we are why we're here is pretty much done and I figured it would be probably be better off if it was sent from like our folks who are helping us that um represent our own communities yeah like I mean especially if you have your own voice so um carolyn said that y'all could handle um like helm and brigade and some stuff like that so just let me know which ones you do so that we don't blast them because the ones that we don't hit will just um will send them to their dev or contributor lists so it's about like 45 projects okay cool um is it just a link that's in the agenda yep okay cool I'll take a look all right and I'm there on slack obviously if you have any questions at all cool all right well chat soon so sorry here and I swear I did not see here I I'm like five of us today I'm clicking off the participants tab clicking off the chat tab I was just chilling so and dang I'm sorry Karen no worries I didn't have my video on thanks I'll see you soon okay bye