 Good afternoon everybody. I'd like to call the meeting of the City of Santa Rosa Design Review Board to order on this fantastic Thursday in February, whether it hasn't decided whether we're still in winter or if we're headed into spring, but today is spring. Patty, may I have a roll call please? Let the record reflect that all board members are present. Thank you. And item number two on the agenda is approval of the minutes we have in front of us item 2.1 which are the minutes from January 16, 2020. Any corrections, changes, seeing no one nod? We'll go ahead and put those into the record. Item number three, board business. This is where I read our statement of purpose. Defines our board versus other boards and commissions in the city. Project review, the review authority shall consider the location, design, site plan, configuration and the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties and the city in general. Review shall be conducted by comparing the proposed project to the general plan, any applicable specific plan, applicable zoning code standards and requirements, consistency of the project within the city's design guidelines, architectural criteria for special areas and other applicable city requirements, i.e. policy statements and development plans. So that's our purview as a board and at this time I would like to open up for a public comment in the items which are not on today's agenda but would be under the purview of our board. And each speaker will have three minutes. We've got a new microphone quasi-center of the- Bill, just for me. I'm a happy dog. My name is Duane DeWitt. I'm from Roseland. I wanted to thank you and say happy New Year to you. And then also give you that extra special thanks because you're the first responders. Oh, they're calling for you right now. So here's the thing. First responders on the city's California climate emergency. That was passed in a resolution by the city the other day. You are the foot soldiers for this effort. You probably didn't realize that when it came down but that's the truth of the matter. If you're going to have any kind of effect it starts right here in the design of a project and what its footprints going to be on the ground and as it says here the overall effect of the proposed project upon surrounding properties. Now I was at a meeting yesterday where a development was going forward and it was pretty much shown to be almost by right that pretty much people can come in now and go like, hey, this is what's going to happen and the surrounding community doesn't get much real voice in that situation. So what I wanted to ask you about doing is taking it upon yourselves in a way to begin a dialogue with the community early in the process. You get some of these sometimes but it's not as, oh, I know the word robust. It's not as robust as it should be. A community should never have people come to a meeting and say, well, I couldn't find the information and I didn't know who to talk with about this. It should actually be that it's well advertised. You're the first responders that they come to you and get the news they can use to save their community, especially if the overall effect is going to be killing something, making it worse. So in that meeting last night, I was considered the old foggy, basically, because I'd been around that block a bit. New people were there and they hadn't been around the block. They didn't really understand what was going on and it was kind of sad because they got bounced. It's like tough luck. It's going to the next step real quick next week, Planning Commission. A lot of them are real concerned. They asked me to come down and get the appeal papers. So I picked those up. And that's not the kind of thing we want to have happen. It's the kind of thing where you want to say, right in the beginning, we worked together and we had a community understanding, maybe not complete unanimity, but a consensus where the people who are going to be affected by the buildings next to them can have a bit of a voice in it. Now, I'm going to come in here later. I might not be able to stay the whole time, but I'm going to tell you, I like taller buildings with less pavement footprint and less parking. And you put the taller buildings away from the neighbor. If it's right next door, you go in with three for free. Thank you, Timely. Thank you, Mr. DeWitt. Appreciate it. Any other members of the public wishing to speak? Seeing no one approach the microphone, I will close the public comment period. On to abstentions by board members. Any board members need to abstain for item 6.1 or 6.2? Yes, I'll need to abstain from 6.2. Thank you. Thank you very much. Any others? Seeing none, we'll move on to our scheduled items. Our first item up is item 6.1, which is a public hearing for a preliminary design review. Old Dominion Freight at 2960.nav file number DR18046. And we have a presentation from Planner Ross and the applicant. Thank you, Chair Kinkade. Members of the board, the item before you is the major design review for Old Dominion Freight located at 2960.nav. It's a new trucking freight transfer terminal on an undeveloped 8.45 acre lot. It involves 117,695 square foot building with 34 loading dock doors. It has a 4% parking reduction, 224,001 square feet of new paving on site. It's estimated to have 8 to 10 pickup and delivery trucks per day, two line halls per day, operating seven days a week with staggered employment shifts. The entitlements included in this project are the minor use permit for the use of the truck freight terminal, the major zoning variance for 30-foot light poles in the rear of the yard for truck safety, and the major design review here before you. It is within the Roseland area specific plan, which delegates final design review to the director level, so staff level. So today we're asking for preliminary design review approval. It's in the southwest quadrant of the city. A little bit of history on this project in 1999, the design review board approved a similar project and adopted a mitigated negative declaration. It was two industrial buildings, both sizes combined to approximately 127,348 square feet. Then in January 2016, the Planning Commission approved a recommendation to City Council to change the general plan land use from general industry to light industry, and the first addendum to the M&D was approved. Up there it says amendment, it should say addendum. On March 2016, City Council approved that land use change. In July 2018, Planning and Economic Development Department received the application for the project. Through that time, there was proper noticing and referral and review by staff project completion, and on December 12th, the second addendum, the major zoning variance, and the minor use permit were all approved for this project. So here's an aerial of the parcel site. So the general plan amendment was requested to basically make it more the zoning more compliant with the make the general plan more compliant with the zoning and the surrounding uses. This was a one random kind of general plan land use designation. This one kind of made it all cohesive. It's intended for area. The light industrial land use zoning is intended for areas appropriate for some light industrial uses, as well as commercial uses, activities that may be incompatible with residential retail and office uses. Here's an approved site plan. So there's an entrance here. There's employee parking in the front, and all of the large tractor trailers would be in the back. There is a seasonal wetland that is being preserved with this site, which is part of the reason why there was a variance request for the lighting, as well as a 4% parking reduction and a little bit into the landscaping, which I'll talk about in a couple slides later. Here are the elevations provided. Here's the floor plan. The front half facing the street is more of the office use and the back half is used for the truck freight terminal portion of the site. So here's a landscape plan. As you can see, there's the seasonal wetland with some landscape buffer. So landscaping here in the front separating the street pedestrian pathway, the new sidewalk with the existing park with the proposed parking area. One of the things that we talked about during the process was orchard parking, but due to some of the constraints, such as a seasonal wetland, and there's a railroad spur from the smart train track, as you can see how the site kind of curves a little bit right there, it'd be really tight on parking to with a greater reduction that would have to have been requested if we had the orchard style. So we came up with kind of something that reached the intent where it's more of the triangle boxed planter to four trees to be placed there instead of the planter island that would be otherwise favorable with the city. So just to run you through the lighting, if they were to have the 16-foot poles to comply with city code, you'd have lighting throughout the site as shown on these dots as well as surrounding, which would inhibit the use of the site. Just some maneuverability elements as well, as you can see they're in the way of the truck, the tractor trailers. Ultimately, staff agreed with the applicant team for 30-foot light poles where there are some interior, but it's less than what would be required with 16-foot light poles. In addition, the 16-foot light pole limit was a bit too short for the sizing of the tractor trailers. Here's the lighting rendering of what those 30-foot light poles would look like. There are some existing on the property south that exceed these 16-foot as well. Those were probably built before it was annexed into the city. Environmental review was codified with the Planning Commission on December 12th for this project. It was a second addendum to the MND that was approved. There was nothing associated with this project that would be greater in scope or more of an impact than what was previously determined from the original MND. There are no unresolved issues, no public comments received in response to the public hearing notice either. With that, the Planning and Economic Development Department recommends that the Design Review Board grant preliminary design review approval for Old Dominion Freight, a new 17,695-square-foot industrial building on 8.45-acre parcel located at 2960.nav, APN number 043134053, file number DR18-046. I'm Adam Ross. That concludes my presentation. I can answer any questions you may have. The applicant team is also here to go over any additional comments you may have. I think they might have a small presentation. We'll go ahead and have the applicant presentation and then we'll go into questions. Welcome. So my name is Sean Eaton. I'm with AE Herbia Architects and Engineers. We've designed the building for Old Dominion Freight Line and I think what Adam Ross has already gone through is actually pretty adequate in giving you an idea of what the project is. I have materials here if they help answer questions and so I'm more than happy to go through all of this with you and answer questions on that. It's really a simple project. This is an industrial building in an industrial zone doing light industrial stuff. So let me know if you have any questions. Understood. Thank you. Before we go into question and answers, I will open up this item for public comment. Anybody, any member of the public wishing to speak on item 6.1? You will have three minutes. Hello. Hi. My name is Robert Twin. I work for Canine Companions for Independence. We'll be your eyes as neighbors right across the street. I did have a chance to look at some of the attachments, but not all of them. Would the lighting variants just be towards the back side of the facility or would that cover the street side as well? And yeah, we just wanted to check in about the parking requirements for the trucks and ensure that that's in line with code in terms of having space to park the trucks and maneuver the trucks and not use the road mostly for those purposes. So yeah, those are our questions. Thank you. We'll make sure those questions are taken by the applicant team and our staff. Any other members of the public wishing to speak on item 6.1? Seeing none, I will close the public comments for item 6.1 and bring it back to the board. Drew, we'll start with you. Questions for staff or the applicant? I've got a procedural question, I think, for Bill and Adam. So you guys are asking for preliminary, because final is deferred to director level. But if we so determine we could do both to make your lives easier, correct? Cool. All right. So that's good news. And then I was looking at the parking count and I guess I'm a little confused maybe. So maybe you can help interpret this for me. So the office building is x square feet and it requires 18 spaces by code and the industrial facility is x square feet and it requires x spaces per code. So together that's how many spaces are being provided. Is that correct? Correct. Yes, there's two less being provided. It's a 4% reduction overall. We did split up. I'm getting that. I just wanted to make sure I am understanding. So then, so I have a question. So of the two, you know, so now there's 54 spaces, right? Are there 54 people occupying this facility? Okay. Like never. So there's going to be a bunch of empty spaces on the regular. Okay. So I'm wondering then if parking is a concern potentially, are we kind of hemmed in with the zoning code or is there an extra variance we could do for them? Because it seems like we're heavily over parked. You know what I mean? Then we already have the wetland. I'm just asking a question. We're going to figure that out and let you know. Yeah, it's just I was looking at it and I went, oh, I'm counting, you know, office desks in the building and I'm like, wait a second. There's like 20 people in this building at most. So I just thought I'd ask. Yeah. And there's bicycle parking and like, I mean, great. There's bicycle parking, but it's not exactly bicycle accessible in that area down because it is industrial. So that's my question. I haven't seen a bicycle rack on the back of a tractor trailer. Right. Exactly. Yeah. So I think the applicant team can answer the parking requirement. Sure. Go ahead. So as the parking lot's currently designed, the parking that's directly in front of the office actually has probably four more stalls than we actually need. And that includes the office personnel and the dock workers and the yard workers. The parking stalls that are actually to the side that are across that driveway, those are reserved for line hall drivers. So that would be men that come and men and women that come and drop off their vehicles, get in their tractors, pick up a trailer and go do deliveries. And so based on our current usage and what we kind of expect as a five year projection of expansion, we expect that this will be adequate with an additional four stalls. We're comfortable with the number of stalls that we've come to. We probably would have gone ahead and provided the extra two stalls required by the city ordinance. However, space being a constraint, we went ahead and went for the variance in order to make sure that everything complies. Yeah. And I'm seeing the fence around that side parking lot now, not that you mentioned that. So, okay, that makes sense. That answers my question on the parking. And those are all of my questions. Thank you, Drew. Henry, questions? I think Drew hit spot on what I was going to ask was how many parking spaces are a reality. And I would be in favor of if we can find an avenue to reduce it further to exchange that parking for some trees and some canopy. And I think the new building code and the landscapers on our board can probably speak to it better than I can. But I believe we have to have 50% canopy coverage after 10 years of trees maturing and parking lots now. So I don't know if you've taken a look at that. I've looked at it on some recent projects and need more of those fingers to get that done. But that was going to be my only question was how much parking is really needed here. Thank you, Henry. Warren. Yeah, I don't want to do any duplication. No questions. Thank you. Brett, questions? Thanks, Brett. These guys covered it, as they're saying. Adam, questions? For substance, these guys got most of it. But I just had one point for Adam. And I don't know if this is important. There's a typo on page four of your presentation for project location. Just as important to address that you have 925 Pine Road on the map. So just so it goes into record as it's correct in other places, but there. And then you answered some of my question for was wondering the difference between the types of hauling that so line hall. The drivers will come drop off their cars and will they bring on is line hall versus delivery distance wise is just kind of curious. So line hall typically the there are the city drivers and there's the line hall drivers. City drivers will come and the tractors are usually parked here and their own personal vehicles are what they take to their own residents. They will switch over to their tractor vehicles, pick up a trailer. And if they're a city driver, they will do local deliveries. If they're a line hall driver, they'll actually pick up a trailer and take it to another facility to have the freight swapped out. And so that's the difference between the two. The reason we have the secured lot is because line hall drivers may be gone for several days or even a week, depending on which location they need to take the trailer to. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for clearing that up as and just for the description is kind of wondering the different classifications. So thanks. That's all. Thanks, Adam. Eric questions. Real quickly. I'm glad to see that CCI is here. And I would encourage some dialogue, ask questions in regards to I know that you have a new program with PTSD clients, right? With noise, sound, light. And that's where my concern is in regards to this project and regards to the height of the light standards in regards to the impact on CCI and their PTSD clients that are there. Yeah. All the lighting facing the street basically in front of the proposed building and the gated area where only the tractor trailers would be the parking would for the tractor trailers would be in the back. You wouldn't it would be screened from from the street. All the lighting in this location are normal standard lighting height of 16 feet. Thank you. Thanks for addressing that. So strongly encourage you guys to continue some dialogue and the city to reach out. I'd like to add just a little bit to that. We we did get the variance for the 30 foot poles, but just where the tractors are because the 14 foot trailers cast a shadow from a 16 foot light makes it really difficult to maintain safety in the yard. However, we are also held to the California standard for lighting where we have to have full cut off shields and anti glare fixtures. And we're currently working with the building department to make sure that those codes and ordinances are followed. Awesome. Great to hear. And hours of operations and did I see you're looking at only eight to ten trips per day? Is that correct? Yeah. If Adam, if you want to go back to that other slide that shows the trips per day and the hours of operation could potentially be 24 hours if a line hall driver ends up showing up in the middle of the night, he'll come drop off his rig and then go home. However, the actual facility itself will usually run either from, you know, six to six or seven to seven. It's usually get ready for the morning deliveries, receive the end of the day delivery guys back. That's generally how it works. And it is eight to 10 delivery trucks a day trips in and out of the facility. It's these are semi trucks. And this is an end of, this is a destination point. This isn't a hub. And so generally what happens is a truck shows up here. The freight comes off of it. The freight that comes off of that trailer is for local deliveries. Got it. I appreciate it. And then so driver comes in the middle of the night, they're able to park in the facility rather than on Dutton Avenue with the refrigeration units running, et cetera. Yeah. So when driver shows up, he has an RFID that's installed on his vehicle that gives him instant access to the site. He also has access to the restrooms that are in the building. The rest of the building is locked down. And then he can drop off his trailer and tractor and then get his vehicle and leave. Awesome. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks, Eric. I guess in following into that question, maybe to fully answer the speaker's question is, are there any restrictions for parking on Dutton Avenue currently, future? I think there's an overnight parking restriction, if I remember correctly. So I think during the daytime they can park. And I don't remember the time, but I believe it's an overnight parking restriction. Okay. Applicant, as for the operations of old Dominion Freight, they don't like leaving Freight unsecured. They want all of their trailers behind the lines. So as a matter of policy, we won't be parking on the street. Great. Sounds like it will be a copacetic neighborhood. Okay. Now we can entertain a motion and then get into discussion. Yeah, I'll go ahead and make it. I moved to grant preliminary and final design review to old Dominion Freight 2960 Dutton Avenue file number DR18-046, wave reading of the text. Thank you, Drew. Second. All right. We've got a motion and a second. Comments, Drew? Okay. No. I agree with the architect. I think this is a pretty straightforward building. It's industrial. It looks like it's supposed to, but all four sides have been addressed. And I feel like we've seen it before. And I'm scratching my head about that. I think we've seen it a concept maybe like a year ago, I feel like. Right? I sound about right. Yeah. And I think it was fine then because it is what it is. And it is in an industrial area. So and if we can't really do anything about the parking and you guys have addressed the wetland, I think you're good to go. Thank you for a complete package. Thank you, Drew. Henry. Comments. Parking reduction question again. Can we do anything to reduce parking? The code requires that if it's a 25% or less parking reduction, it can be granted by right or attached to another entitlement. In this case, if there is already a use permit required, it would be attached to that. And in this case, it was with the Planning Commission. That doesn't mean you couldn't ask for more landscaping or a change to that, what's kind of in there already. But as far in short, the parking was settled with the Planning Commission. Yeah, too bad because we could reduce it more. I think we have that support here to do that. But in light of that, no other comments. I think I didn't see it a year ago, but looking at it now and it's fine does what it's supposed to do. Good luck with it. Thanks, Henry. Warren. Yeah, I don't really have any friendly amendments. I will say that I know that the whole Salamander mitigation ranches are dwindling in size and number and it's interesting in a thankful way just letting the wetlands stay on site. It pressures the rest of the city for that. Being a destination unloading area, you have a fairly large maneuvering area. It's pretty big. And I'm not here in any way to upset that because you have to offload trucks, you have a lot of maneuvering area. In some ways, the whole orchard tree issue is as we build more blacktop, we cook our earth more and you can do as much to uncook the earth with less asphalt as plant trees. But again, there's no friendly amendment I have. It's a fairly large maneuver area you have and if you need all that space because 15 trucks are going to need everything offloaded by 2 a.m. in the morning. I'm not here to trouble that. So have fun. Thanks. Thank you, Warren. Brett? Comments, friendly amendments? I think one of the things I guess mainly is just maybe consider some additional screening at Dutton as well as maybe larger tree selections for the street trees. Just again, getting back to the urban heat island and things like that. I know it's also policy is kind of a right tree, right place, but it would be I think maybe beneficial to screening the building as well as being kind to adjacent neighbors and some of the other office uses or commercial uses across the site or across the roadway. And that would be my only consideration. Thanks. Great. Thank you. Adam? Yeah, everything's been pretty much well covered. I would, my one comment would be to echo Brett to go away. You have a lot of 15 gallon trees suspect and not very many larger trees. And so to really, you know, one of the the feedback that big pieces of feedback that you're hearing is to get that canopy going. And so to go with some more bump up the percentage of larger trees to begin with would be helpful, I think with that. But other than that, it looks fine to me. Thank you. Thanks, Adam. Eric? No, nothing additional. Great. So with our board, if you hear consider, it's just that consider. If you hear shall, and it's like you're going to do it. So I'm hearing a consider. I don't think there's any harm in that. Yeah, I consider as a friendly amendment. I had one question that I just kind of stumbled upon. I think I missed this when I looked at it. You have two fences shown on your a 105 sheet. You've got a chain link fence and you've got an iron fence concept. And I just I'm trying to figure out where each one is. And it looks like based on the renderings you guys did and based on the notes I'm seeing on the architectural site planet. I can't seem to find the iron fence. That makes sense. Would it possibly be the gate? Yeah, the iron fence looks like it's the gate component. But I don't know. I just wanted some clarity on that. So I believe the iron fence is referring to the gate, which is an aluminum frame, not necessarily iron, but it's an iron style that creates a more robust gate that can handle automatic opening and closing on a regular basis. So that's what that's referring to. And then the balance of the fence around the rest of the site, including the parking lot, the front parking lot, and everything else would be chain link with barbed wire. Is that correct? Okay. That's correct. You guys have shoes with that down there? Yeah. So that was my only concern. But it seems like it's fairly well planted around it. Is that kind of high? Okay. So I heard a friendly amendment of consider additional screening in the landscape planting at Dutton and consider larger trees throughout. Does that sound about right? What do you want to make the friendly amendment? Okay. Yeah, I'd like to make the amendment to add consider additional screening along Dutton and to consider increasing the size of the trees throughout the project. Great. Thank you, Brett. Does the motioner accept the friendly amendment, Drew? I accept it. Does the second accept? Yes. Excellent. Patty, may I have a roll call please? Board members, Weigel? Aye. Wicks? Aye. Sharon? Aye. Gordon Brock? Aye. Hedgepath? Aye. Goldschlag? Aye. Kincaid? Aye. Congratulations. And we're going to take a five minute recess while the next applicant team sets up their presentation. So thank you. There's a lot of traffic at night there. There's a lot of kids that pull around. Yeah, a lot of people race, donuts. So there's a lot of that. So when we install our facility there, 100% about security. We're going to have lots of cameras. Okay. We're going to have the security gate and the site lighting not only for safety, but for a security camera. So, I think so. And they'll never park on that. Okay. They'll always pull and go. I mean, the only way that they can do that is if the gates are not broken, there's a way to open it anyway. Yeah, the storage place still uses it quite often. So yeah, they'll be traffic. Yeah, they use right where, yeah, right where your guys is. Okay. Nice. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, thank you. Okay, it looks like we're all back. So we'll reconvene the meeting. Next up is item 6.2. It is a concept design review item at 3575 Mendocino Avenue, multi-family development. And I guess we have another Street 422 Angelus Street file number DR10-022. And we have Planner Triple. Is that, is that not, am I reading something wrong? Sweet. Let me go to the... Yes, Chair. That does sound appropriate. All right. I'm just reading off the screen here. Well, thank you. Planner Triple. It's all yours. Great. Thank you, Chair. And good afternoon, members of the Design Review Board. Today, rather than having a planning staff present a brief project overview, the applicant team led by Karen Massey has a detailed thorough excellent presentation that they will offer. So planning staff will just offer a few opening comments and then turn it over to the applicant team for their presentation. So the proposed 3575 Mendocino project is a 532-unit multi-family development located within the Mendocino Avenue priority development area. Pursuant to the Resilience City measures, required design review is reduced to minor design review with concept design review required. So the project comes before you today for required concept design review. Other entitlements required for the project would include a general plan amendment to Transavillage Medium, a rezoning of the entirety of the project site to Transavillage Residential with an additional combining district rezoning on a portion of the site to senior housing, and then a tentative map to subdivide the parcel into five lots. And then, of course, the project is required to comply with CEQA. So with that, and if there are no questions at this point in time, I'd like to go ahead and turn it over to Karen for the applicant team's presentation. I think that's appropriate. We can take questions collectively afterwards. Thank you. Thank you, Andrew. Good evening, Mr. Chair, members of the Board. My name is Karen Massey. As Andrew said, I am the project manager for 3575 Mendocino Avenue. We're extremely pleased to be here this evening to have the opportunity to present our preliminary concepts to you. What you see before you is a culmination of two years of hard work to get to this point, largely focused on assisting the prior residents in the prior journeys in Mobile Home Park and also working with city staff as well as state officials to figure out how to get the park closed. So we're happy to report that on January 14th, the City Council took action to formally close the park, which enables us to move forward with the redevelopment plans and be here tonight. So thank you so much. I'd like to start off by introducing our project team. There are two components to this project, an affordable housing component and a market rate component. So we've assembled a team of qualified development partners comprised of BRJE communities is the affordable component comprised of Burbank Housing as well as related of California. And on the market right side, North Bay Mendocino Holdings is our market rate developer led by Darius Anderson, Jay Wallace and David Gensler. Also here this evening is our consultant team, Rick Williams and Kushal Modi from Van Meter Williams and Pollock, our master planners and architects, as well as Christine Talbot and Rick Carlar, our civil engineer. Before we get started, we wanted to let you know that this project design as well as Closer of the Park has been a culmination of pretty extensive outreach to date. And so we wanted to share with you a little bit of the partners within the community that we've reached out to that we presented the design to solicited their input and continue to do so as we move forward through this process. To set the stage a little bit for you, the site context, the site is located within the Mendocino Avenue Corridor Priority Development Area. That development area is a corridor that's designated for increased residential density, especially because it's located near transit. The site is located within one half mile of bicentennial way, and bicentennial way is one of the highest quality transportation corridors in the city with bus service every 15 minutes. It also has direct access to existing bike lanes. And the existing built form is one that's fairly unique in that our neighbors are all large commercial or institutional uses. So the massing out there is fairly large and multi-story. The site does have some access constraints. We are limited to access only to Mendocino Avenue as we have Kaiser Permanente Hospital as a neighbor to the south. The Mendocino overchanged the north of us and Highway 101 to the west. Within a two mile radius of the site there are a number of key amenities, including medical services, a major grocery store, commercial services, employers, et cetera. And all of these characteristics helped inform our development plan and make it a key opportunity site for locating high-density residential housing near transit services and employers. As we considered our redevelopment concept for the property, we reviewed the city's goals and objectives, namely the general plan, and reviewed each of the elements, land use element, housing, urban design. And what we found from those elements is that the general plan is really seeking to foster a compact development pattern, locate higher density and affordable housing near transit, provide a variety of housing types for all income levels, and also locate housing near shopping and employment centers. So we considered all of these factors as we considered our redevelopment proposal. So our project master plan, I see Rick over there ready to jump in, our project master plan seeks to redevelop the entire 13-acre site again with the two components of affordable housing and market rate housing. The proposal is for up to 532 multifamily rental units. All of these units will be rental, none will be for sale. 162 of those units or 30% will be affordable and kept affordable through a regulatory agreement, and then up to 370 units will be the market rate units. The site has really been designed with a central feature of three-quarter of an acre central park, which includes a children's play area for the multifamily units, a dog park, sports court, and passive areas. And then an important piece to the design of this project is the circulation network. We've worked closely with the city's development staff in the fire department to ensure that there's adequate ingress and egress to the site. So we've arrived based on the code requirements at a configuration of one main central public street that would be signalized. That's in the middle of the site and culminates in a cul-de-sac. And then two secondary entrances to the project site on the north and south end, which are both right in and right out. And that really sets the framework and the circulation system for the site after which everything else kind of dominos. We're also proposing 650 parking spaces as well as many, many bicycle spaces. So with that, I think I'll hand it to Rick. Thank you very much. Discuss briefly the primary design principles for the overall master plan, as well as the building design that we'll get into greater detail on relative to the senior housing. The core design principles include having the primary and secondary entries that Karen just discussed that were from the fire code. And we worked with those with the fire department here. But we wanted the project to feel like a neighborhood, a series of interconnected streets, while we have private driveways. We designed those to function and look up here like streets and feel like streets with street trees, parallel parking, white sidewalks alongside them. And then the buildings would face all of those streets and drives throughout the main core area of the development. While we've located a majority of the parking behind the buildings internal to the buildings are tucked behind them, or in the back along the perimeter edges, which are also primarily hidden from fencing by fencing or sound walls. Also, we're in greater detail with the senior housing currently. The marker rate housing will return for concept design review at a later date for the details of those buildings in the future while the senior housing is brought forward in concept design review. The marker rate rental housing will follow many of the same principles and organization characteristics. The three and four stories will be a mix of one, two and three bedroom apartments ranging in size, we believe, from approximately 600 square feet to 1200 square feet. We're at the range of approximately 1.5 parking spaces per unit to come to the 536 parking spaces and will include the required bicycle parking as well. And we'll meet all of the development standards. We've looked and anticipated that those developments, that development will be similar in pattern and character to a couple of the other recent developments that have been in Sonoma County, one in Petaluma, Altura, and the other one, the Anadale Apartments in Santa Rosa. From a design character and sensibility, we believe that that is sort of the type of housing that the residents of Santa Rosa are looking for. We've really focused on the streetscape along Mendocino Avenue, both from a landscape and building standpoint. We have a transit bus stop right at the entry at Mendocino Avenue at our main intersection. We've worked out the location with the transit agency. And so this will really be our main gateway element in, but we anticipate facing Mendocino Avenue the extended way, and we will get into greater detail on that, but could also discuss what some gateway features and elements that might be appropriate to kind of landmark the entry to the overall neighborhood. The secondary entry closer to the north at the major intersection is really a ride in and ride out, but we anticipate it being similar in character, although it's highlighted by a landscape kind of sculptural landscape element and feature that is at, that is viewed from the intersection and really creates a landscape feature, that area that really we feel needs to have some greenery at it again. The landscape design, we're fortunate to have Christine Talbot from Quadriga here, and she is going to go over the larger master plan concept for landscape design. Thank you. Hi, I'm Christine Talbot from Quadriga Landscape Architecture, and like Rick discussed, we really looked at this area as a whole neighborhood, and we wanted it to feel like a neighborhood. So the street tree placement, the screening from the highway, and from Mendocino Avenue, and really creating that pedestrian feel along Mendocino Avenue was very important to everyone involved in the project. Treeline streets, some shade, and really making opportunity for people to walk and take mass transit. As Rick discussed, we envisioned a monument kind of an idea, more of a living monument, a living sculpture at the corner of Mendocino, and so we envisioned using some of the more iconic trees in Sonoma County, some larger oaks, and raising them up in a more sculptural pattern to create a separation from the vehicular traffic and the pedestrian traffic, and create an identity for the neighborhood that can be incorporated throughout and be like a landmark through the community. And then, as Karen discussed, there is a central park that's really kind of the hub or the front porch of the whole community. It's multi-generational and provides a lot of different opportunities for use. This is a little greater detail of the idea of the sculptural berms with the iconic oak trees at the corner, really creating a space for people separate from the street. You know, we have these intersections that are just so monstrous with cars in every direction, and they're so inhumane that we really wanted to create a monument and a gateway that wasn't kind of your standard gateway, something that was more living and part of the landscape. You can see the typical section along Mendocino Avenue where really there's existing pistachio trees there that we're looking to keep because they match the trees across the street, so it's a nice thoroughfare through to downtown, and we're looking to create more of a double tree-lined walk there and create some separation against the street. Right now the sidewalk is right against the curb line, so we're going to move it in and add some planting and keep some of the existing trees there. And yeah, double-rope trees. The park is really, you know, a great use for everyone in the community, and especially for the seniors to have access to activity and healthy walking and exercise, and just that multi-generational activity and interaction, being able to see people of all ages interact together so healthy for community. So we looked, it's a small space, you know, three-quarters of an acre, but we've got a lot of stuff packed in there. So there's a passive space with picnic and shading. There's a half of a sports court, exercise equipment for all ages, kind of a central gathering space. It could be used for outings and events, movie nights, things like that, an interesting playground that's not your normal playground, and then a small dog park that's really just for people to meet with their neighbors and, you know, exercise their dog just on a daily basis. This is a great character image of what that park might look like. Looking back towards the senior housing and the market rate housing, just tree lined, everyone's using it, something for everyone, and the center of the community. And another nice view and how it just becomes, again, the idea of the front porch for the community and a place for people to gather. The street sections. The typical private drive street, like Rick was discussing, you know, we really want to emulate the idea of a neighborhood and not make a driveway that people live on. So we've incorporated the idea of the street trees into the private drive so that it feels like a real neighborhood with trees and walkways. And also on the Mendocino Avenue, the same thing, there'll be separation from that traffic. Thank you very much. As I mentioned, the senior housing has been brought to you at greater detail. There's 162 units. Primarily one veterans, a few two veterans, and a manager's unit on site. Predominantly the building's three core stories with some locations where we step down and modulate the massing to two and three stories. We have 114 parking spaces. It's approximately .7 parking spaces per unit, which for affordable senior housing in this area of a community, we found to be the appropriate amount of parking, not too much, not too little. There's going to be extensive amenities, multi-purpose rooms that spill out into three separate courtyards, media rooms, a health and wellness center, laundry rooms, bike storage, large ones to emphasize biking. More and more seniors are actually using bikes to get around than ever before. Managers and reception offices and community gardens, which are the most popular social mixing area for the residents that we raise all the planters up, and so they're all handicap accessible, and even I don't have to bend over when I'm doing a little planting. It is for low and very low income seniors, and it will be controlled with a 55-year agreement. Some of the design features include and we'll see it in some of the other images. We'll show you that we've really tried to bring the building entries down to the scale of the individual to make the front doors not kind of the magnificent tower on the corner, but brought down in scale so that the arcade and that you get sun in the plaza at the entry, and the seniors feel welcome and feel that they can come into a place that is theirs in their home. There's really an organization of the facade building as a base in the middle of the top, which we show in the elevations as well as the images. We want to frame the street as well as the courtyards to give them some privacy, but one of the things that we have done is we turn one of the courtyards out to the public street so you see the activities of the seniors in a courtyard that has some protection with a low wall and trellis for planting, but so you see activity from the outside. You know that it's a senior housing development and it also connects an open space that's private for the seniors with the larger central park directly across the street from it. So we kind of connect that open space between the two and reflecting some of the surrounding commercial as well as other recent multi-family that we showed you images to, we are looking at a contemporary style, which also has some of those traditional elements and level of detail that we feel is appropriate for a development of this scale and for the community that it's within and surrounding. The building plan, it's actually the 162 units are on three buildings that will be in either two or three phases. We're anticipating buildings one and two going first. A lot of the amenities are in the phase one building one. You can see the community rooms going out to the courtyard, a large double height entry, the management and leasing offices that keeps track of people that are coming in and out, a little extra additional security, large laundry rooms and elevators so that every room is accessible. And then we have in this particular building and in the others we have a connection directly through from the front door to the back. So people that are coming from the parking enter into the same lobby and it has a similar experience particularly in building number one. There are residents at each floor level and it's a similar building format. But we have common spaces in each of the three buildings with elevators in each of them and building one and two may be interconnected depending on the eventual funding of those. And we have lobbies, large lobbies and entry ways at the corner at Mendocino right at the courtyard and building one and at the corner entry lobby closest to Mendocino on building two with separations of approximately 20 feet between the buildings where we have walkways that allow some peaking into the courtyards from the street. So we see what's happening in back before we get to courtyard number one where you really get a real image of what's happening in courtyards. This is the elevation of the building one at the street. You can see how the massing is broken down and we lower the scale of the building as you enter into it. And then the building along the street is also articulated with a series of bays. We have a base along the bottom. The bays kind of grow up from that. We have a body to the building which is a somewhat neutral color and then we have a greenish color on the top which gives a top strong top to the building as well. So there's a great deal of articulation in the building, change in materials, change in color and trying to create a strong base as well in a more traditional organization of the facade. This is the main entry at the public street. You can see here how that elevation translates to the corner. We have a little small seating area and plaza in front, some protected. It kind of connects you directly to the bus stop. And we use a unique material at the entry lobbies. We're using a panelized phenolic panel for the entries. It's a high quality material, deeply recessed windows and nice trellising to really bring some warmth into the development. And we carry that through some of the detailing on the project overall. So you can see how that elevation and principle of the facade is brought along the street and how some areas of the top are brought down at the corner and the changes of materials that we have. We actually had a resident meeting recently and they actually met from all the former residents of Journey's End. About 30 of them showed up and they appreciated the colors that it wasn't just gray and white and black. And so this is kind of a close-up of that same corner view. And you start to see some of the sunshading devices. We're using the sunshade devices and some of the materials on the facade to warm the palette and bring in some wood to it. We've used this in other similar developments and we'll show you some images on that. And that also, all that wood is fire-treated as well. And so that will, it will be a material that wears well over time. This is, once the entire three phases are built out, this is an appearance from the park looking into that courtyard. And you can see that it does two things, that it shows you some of the outside activities within the senior housing development. And it also creates a large articulation in the overall streetscape, providing a lot of greenery at the street and breaking up the massing of the building as it proceeds along the new public street. And then when we get down and take that same massing down to the entryway of building number one, we have a small plaza with a seating area out in front. When it's a little cooler and the sun isn't so hot in the morning, you'll be able to sit outside of the trellises. If it's hotter, you can move back into the trellises, allowing the residents to meet all their neighbors as people are walking around. And part of the planning effort is really to create a healthy community where residents are walking, the dog park, the park space, and a circular walk around the entire housing development provides the seniors an opportunity to get exercise both within their community and extend out to the multi-family and the rest of the residential community. Some of the details that we are illustrating here, we show the material, a different material, but a similar concept of having the top change material. The phenolic panel as well as the details around the windows and the sun shades that we're anticipating using. And then the raised gardens on the right and the wood trellis that helps screen the courtyard as well as the trellising that we use for shading at the lobby entry level. This is an extension of another senior housing community in a hot community, not hot neighborhood in Fremont, which shading was really important for the residents to have throughout. I know you may not always be interested in the interiors, but the residents very much were accessible bathrooms, was a big issue, and having some of them being rolled in showers, that is not a photo of a rolling shower. We do encourage walking even though we have elevators and we also put stairs into the lobbies. And then the two-story heights give a grand entrance for the residents making them feel like this is really a home and an important place and it's their residence for many, many years. Full kitchens and also we use materials on the inside of the building for healthy interiors and air quality. The courtyards will be similarly appointed as a central park with activities, gathering spaces, seating, and as many raised planters as we can fit in as well as integrating in our stormwater management into the project. And we are looking at sustainability from the construction process and demolition, the reuse of asphalt all the way to the community gardens, bicycles, solar, and setting it up for solar as well as the stormwater management. So each aspect is really something that we're working through as far as sustainability. These are the key principles that we have for both the master plan and senior housing as we discussed today. And if you have any questions or comments, we look forward to having a conversation with you on these and any other issues you might have. Thank you. Thank you, Rick. Thank you, Christine. Thank you, Karen. Even though this isn't a public hearing item, we're going to open it up for public comment. So at this time, I'd like to open up item 6.2 for public comment. Any members of the public wishing to speak have three minutes and I see Mr. DeWitt is back. Could you please put up the slide that shows the affordable senior housing? Elevation. Yes. Hello. My name is DeWitt. I'm from Roseland and someday I'll be a senior. So I have some interest in this and the best senior housing I've ever seen has been in multi-story buildings in Amsterdam and in Denmark. Copenhagen, oh, Sweden also, Norway with that. What they would do with this is put more units in. So I encourage this team and you folks to think big and in the middle there, put in two and three more stories, go up higher and then take out parking spaces. And you know what? I don't think you need 80 bicycle spots. I'm the only guy that ever rides a bike to these meetings. I'm probably the only guy here who's ever gotten his bike to the bus stop there at Journey's End because I used to go to Journey's End when it was a young spot. I was one of those people that saved Journey's End from being destroyed for a Home Depot 25 years ago. I know this site inside and out. What I would like to see there is for people to take that chance right now and go for even more housing and less pavement. Change the floor area ratio. Let them go higher in the middle, make it kind of a when you're on the freeway and you look up, it looks like a bit of a pyramidal type situation. Six stories in that middle, five stories coming down. I'm sure we get another hundred units on this thing, maybe 200. Heck, when I was laying there dreaming, I was thinking 1,000 housing units out there at this site as big as it is. Some of those senior units don't need to be really big and I know they're going to do the market rate with its studios 1, 2, and 3, so they'll be trying to get bigger units. But from my personal experiences, you get older, you don't need as much space, especially if it's just a man and a woman together, or then it's just a widower or a widowy, it's down to a smaller space. So please, you folks be the ones that lead the parade and say yes more and less at the same time. More building space, more FAR, and less asphalt and footprint. And yeah, those bicycles over in Scandinavia where it snows, they have that inside down in the little storage space they give them, and people get the bikes and put them inside. That's especially important here because this is the home of Bike Thief Central. Sonoma County Bike Theft is a number one activity at the Crankensteins. They're out there roaming around all these neighborhoods now, just looking to get whatever piece of hardware they can. So thank you for your time. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Duit. Other members of the public? Good afternoon or good evening. I'm Keith Deas with the Sheet Metal Workers. Thank you for hearing from me. We'll have a question. Is this going to be public works? Is there any kind of public money that's going to fund this? And if... We'll make sure that's answered when we get to question and answer. But I just, we talked about the building. I like the design. Of course, you know, actually bigger is better. I'm in the construction industry, but also I just want to, when it gets built, I want to just be, you know, the developer being cognizant of trying to build it with area, local people using our apprentices that live in the local area. I represent the Sheet Metal Workers, but also our mechanical, electrical, and plumbing and sprinkler fitters. So we would love to be able to work on this building. So I just want to put that into public comment. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Diaz. Any other members of the public wishing to speak on this item? All right. Seeing none, I will close the public comment and bring it back to the board. Drew, we can start off with questions and then we can get into comments in a little bit, but questions for the applicant and or staff. Okay. I think I'll go... Yeah, I'll do questions like we talked about. So it's funny Mr. Dewitt mentioned the go hire. That's actually one of my questions. Is there a zoning limitation for height density that you probably mentioned that I'm just not remembering it? No, I don't believe we have mentioned it in the presentation. The proposal would be a general plan amendment to assign the transit village medium land use classification or designation. And then the rezoning would be to rezone to a transit village residential. Both in terms of the density, the project does achieve the maximum density allowable under the general plan and the maximum height allowable in a transit village residential zoning district is four stories. So in both cases it reaches the maximum limits for what our current code allows. Cool. So my question then is so if we, the applicant team, I guess I should say, if they went for more affordable housing as part of this, would they get concessions to go hire and go denser? Yes, they could apply for a density bonus to both increase the density and then use a concession. Could they go for density bonus with the current affordable housing component or would they need more affordable housing? I don't know the answer to that. I'll get back to you on that. I do want to do the calculation. That's fine. Okay, cool. And then if I'm not mistaken, it looks like the parking garage is three stories tall. Is that right? That's tucked in the corner. Okay, cool. And then it's adjacent to a four story building. So you could theoretically go to four stories in the parking and have it hidden behind the four story building, right? And it is also directly adjacent to the... Yeah, the current parking garage at Kaiser. That was really why it was kind of generally located in that position. And if I might chime in. Sure. Thank you. Just to remind you that the market rate component that we've shown you tonight is a concept because the market rate developer is a little bit behind the affordable development. And so that is not necessarily the way that the market rate will develop. So there is a possibility that anything that is shown as three stories now could potentially go up to four stories. The limitation in the entitlements ask, as Andrew said, is up to the 40 units per acre of the general plan land use designation, which takes us to up to 532 in the unit count. Right. Yeah, I'm getting that. So Christine and maybe, I guess, is it Rick? Is that right? On the street design, what's driving the 26 feet? Is that a city? Yeah. That is the fire department. That's the fire department? Okay, great. For anything over from three stories or above? Right, that's right. I always forget that. That's what the 26 feet is from. Let's forget that, man. God, it feels so wide. The reason I ask is it 26 feet for this type of street tucked back, 26 feet seems like a super highway in a way, right, in terms of urban density. And so in terms of a lot of new urbanist work that have similar layouts such as this, there's medians or other things to break up kind of the massiveness of the street. And I just have this, I don't know, I just have this fear that 26 feet is too wide and people will drive too fast and then you won't have as much kind of pedestrian interaction with the street. So we'll just let fire have their say on that 26 feet, I guess, for slower traffic. We are hoping to get large enough trees. We understand it. We'll work with them to provide large enough trees to get that canopy up to try to give it a sense of scale that reduces the appearance. Okay, those are my questions. If I might respond to your question about the density bonus. So the project as currently proposed at 532 units, 162 of which would be low income for low income or very low income households. So that's roughly 31% of the project which would qualify for a 35% state density bonus. If we would apply the state density bonus then the project could achieve 719 units and then of course would have a maximum of three incentives or concessions. So while the applicant team may be encouraged to consider that there would not be a requirement to pursue that. And that actually, sorry, this gives me another question. So I know that we as a city are looking at the FAR in terms of as it relates to downtown and its components. Is there another zoning available to the applicant aside from medium density transit village residential that would potentially increase their density on the site in addition to any potential state density bonuses, etc. Or are we kind of, I mean a little, I mean because this area is not obviously the downtown core in terms of that FAR and whatnot. I think that there probably is another land use designation that may be applicable to the site. That would be the transit village land use designation. That designation as I understand it is the city's most dense designation that is available. It exceeds, it's 40 units to the acre and higher. When we originally started looking at this site for redevelopment, that was the land use designation that we started at. And as we started to put pen to paper and start fine tuning our cost to construct, we realized that going over four stories was going to be cost prohibitive because the rents just weren't there to make the buildings pencil if we went any higher than four stories. So that would obviously trying to create a project here that we can make pencil and that was certainly the limitation that held us back to the four stories. Yeah, I imagine what's limiting that is the construction technology. You would have to go to something different with a podium and concrete and fire rating and all that good stuff. And so by staying at four stories, you can do everything in type five and do it all out of wood and essentially potentially even go to modular architect, architect, architect. Type five, type three is about 37% more expensive. So that's I yeah it sounds like that was the case. I just I think it's important for the public to understand the constraints that exist ongoing denser because while it would be nice to go pie in the sky and say, hey, let's build a 10 story structure that's type one or type two construction, which is concrete with fireproofing and tons of a lot of systems that may not be supported in terms of the rents that could be generated to offset the cost of construction, et cetera. So that's something that I think developers look at pretty heavily when they're trying to figure out how to pencil it out. So I just think that's important. That's hence the point of my question. So thank you. That's those are all my questions. I'm hogging the time. Sorry guys. We got plenty of time. Thanks, Drew. Henry. Yeah, it saves me from having to ask the question. So guest parking more for the applicant. Is it going to be designated guest parking for for the senior? For the senior. Sorry. The way we're looking at it right now, we have on street parking that we're anticipating predicting predominantly guest guest parking and on dry parking. We do have we've calculated with the point seven parking spaces per unit that we will have enough parking for both the residents and guests that come to the senior housing development. We still have a little bit of parking analysis to do. And when we do that, we oftentimes while there's a propensity to want to designate all the spaces for the residents by management staff at times we leave them open, allowing them to have a parking space there. But by not designated as their space, it gives more flexibility unbundling the parking as a phrase often used. So they have a parking space, but they aren't guaranteed a particular one. And that allows for more flexibility in visitor parking and the use of parking allows us to reduce the parking ratio slightly to achieve other goals that we have. Procedurally, Andrew, we're really just looking at the senior component tonight that the market rate project will be brought back to us. Yes, that's correct. And I would note that through the inclusionary housing ordinance, the project would be eligible for one incentive, and the applicant has indicated a parking reduction incentive for the project. And Henry, I might add that if you have comments on the overall master plan as it relates to the site, I would make them because this is going to go into tentative map first and then we'll see it and everything will be locked in. So thank you for that clarification. So when you were talking about the unbundled parking, is that as it relates to the general overall plan, the master plan, if you will, not just the three sites that is going to comprise the affordable unit? Typically does address the senior housing. I'm not sure the strategy, but we are anticipating reduced parking from what maybe the market might generally consider desirable for the family, for the market rate. But that hasn't been formalized and determined because the mix of the units is still in flex somewhat, and that will determine a lot how many parking spaces are finally in the plan for the market rate housing. And I might jump in here too. Two things. One, with regard to the ratio for the affordable housing development, we're proposing a reduction to approximately 0.7 spaces per unit. And Burbank Housing is a local nonprofit developer. We have many, many affordable communities here in Sonoma County. We've been working in Sonoma County for 40 years, as many of you may know. And one of the things that we did as we were looking at the ratio for this site in particular was we did an assessment of our other senior communities to see what the existing parking configuration was as well as current usage, excuse me, and the 0.7 is consistent with the current usage that we are seeing in our other facilities with a little bit of buffer in there to make sure that we have adequate parking. And of course, this site is proximate to transit and the high-quality transportation corridor on Bicentennial Way. We're really trying to encourage folks to move away from their automobile and on to public transit. We've been working closely with the city departments and the transit department in particular to create incentives and programs to encourage that ridership. And we'll continue to do so throughout the project. With regard to the market rate, I believe the ratio that is proposed currently is about 1.4. And that ratio is commiserate with what the zoning code allows for market rate multifamily in transit-oriented areas. So that was where the logic and rationale came from for the reduction. Okay, awesome. Is the park, the 130-acre park, is that tied to the affordable or is it just part of the overall master plan? When will that be built out? It's actually really my question. Yeah, the three-quarter-acre park is tied to the overall master plan. We have not quite worked out the phasing for the project yet. It's one of the items that we are working through with both staff and the market rate developer, but we envision that that will probably be developed fairly early on. Andrea, has there been a traffic study done on this project? Traffic study is currently being prepared. Okay, that's my question. Thank you, Henry. Warren. Thank you. Yeah, I was curious between the Minnesino Partners LLC. When you start with a parcel item, I'm looking at Rick and the tentative map, you have this collected piece of land and you get to have triggered incentives with senior housing that potentially, if you look at the whole 13 acres, if it's a singular parcel, there's eligibility for garnering these incentives and my question here is we're going to divide, we're going to split the parcels. There's phasing. I've heard about Burbank that they're looking at probably a tax credit world where they've got a phase one and a phase two. My question stems from the question of being all in on the financing. As Minnesino Partners rallies together and all these streets are needed and fire lanes need to be built, the question of what their timing is on financing ties into the question about things like parking management. There will probably need to be some kind of beyond cordial management strategy on how the senior facility is managed with its parking and how the private sector, I would imagine that the car count or cars, either they're going to be limited in cars, or they're going to bifurcate the rent. So, if I were to get a market rate unit, maybe this is a question now. I can't buy seven cars. I have to buy, I have to have a certain amount of cars and for corgiality over time, since we're already reducing car count to 1.4 on the market rate, the dialogue and the legal issues between the senior housing and the market rate and how cars are managed on the property and how people get along and steward, that's as vital in this unbundling, shall I say. And it ties in with the financing and how long these phases take. I don't know if I'm not hearing that the the Mendocino partners are here, but is it like a two-year window? We're going to build this out. Is it seven years? Any anticipation of commitment on that party at the table? As you know, at this point in the process, we are very early on and so those are still some of the questions that we're working to define the answers to. But I appreciate you raising the issue and the concern. Thank you. I know there are a lot of anticipations in the future between UberLift and I understand a lot of communities are looking at miles traveled for traffic studies, which is less the brain injury and the cost of alternatives. It's huge cost to applicants to do traffic studies without miles traveled. I know a lot of communities, everyone's buying more and more cars or fewer buses, so it's this never-ending mess of trying to come up with large stacks of paper justifying how traffic's done. And if Santa Rosa's entertaining the miles traveled and we can sit at meetings like this and not have big lumps on her head with what does this mean and how are you going to show Sequa happiness? That's a question. The Santa Rosa will have to do more than entertain VMT because we will be required to evaluate VMT effective July 1st. So that's near sooner rather than later. So the tools will be here so that we can rest assured that whatever the State Senate and assembly houses do, we'll be behind it and safer for it. Thank you, Warren. Adam, questions. I think a lot of questions have already been asked, but in terms of streetscape and circulation, I'm not seeing any bike lanes or anything in the circulation pattern. We have such a wide street. We didn't feel like we needed additional bike lanes. The microphone just so... Oh, sorry. We felt that with the street, we know that there'll be a bike lane eventually on Mendocino Avenue, but we didn't feel with the width that we needed them on the street. We'll probably consider a Sherrow on the Colisex Street and look at that as a possibility. And well, we didn't want to make them any wider than the street already needed to be. So we're exploring that. And then we are really focused on the crosswalks and the walkability of the community so that each of the intersections includes enhanced visible crosswalks, including some of the drives that are internal to the development. So focused on that a little bit more than the overall bike circulation, although we feel that with the multiple access points and multiple egress points and kind of the network of drives and paths that we have, that it'll be a very bikeable area with slow-moving traffic. It does go to... I do appreciate the thought that has gone into the crosswalks and the ball bouts. You are prioritizing the parallel parking and the street parking over... And Drew mentioned the really wide streets also. So there's concern necessarily about big boulevards. But in thinking of potentially getting some of that parking off the street, rather than having two parking lanes or two parking strips to prioritize some to kind of squeeze the cars a little bit, emphasize the pedestrian and bikes even a bit more if possible. But it was mainly a question turned into a comment about that circulation, especially if you're thinking of people getting around the site, crossing the streets, kids biking around, circuits going to the park, even for seniors. It'd be nice for them to I could envision a slow-moving bicycle lapse there rather than heading out into Mendocino, something like that. So to really, really emphasize that slow-moving pedestrian bike access. That's my questions. Thank you, Adam. Eric, questions? A couple questions. Thank you. Can you provide a little more detail in regards to the solar energy plan and all electric? I know it's in the design narrative, but it's pretty generic at this point. So we are in the midst of working with a couple of solar companies to size what our potential for the site would be for solar, predominantly on the roofs. We've explored it a little bit with carports as well, but we are not planning carports currently on the senior development. So we're really looking at what our maximum potential would be for sizing solar on the rooftops. So we are going to have that information. We're also evaluating the building for all electric versus having a solar hot water and gas for the main water heating. So so we're looking at both both systems currently. We are required and by most of the funding for affordable housing to pre-wire and prep all the buildings for solar. And oftentimes in the process, we also structurally put in all the connections and everything we need for the support of the solar panels on the roof. And even as we're proceeding through the construction, if we don't have them in the base project immediately, we often eventually have them placed on the roof even before construction's over. So we're looking at all the availability, funding, and what is provided for tax credits for solar today will be dramatically different in a year or two years or three years or four years. So we are going to keep that on the table throughout the process. And we hope that we'll be able to accommodate a maximum solar system on the on the roofs of the buildings as we proceed through construction. But if not, they will still be prepped for being able to be there at any time. And we have had projects that would come a year or two later and still have the solar installed on the buildings because they're prepped and set up and the space is allocated for them. Good. Thank you. The only other thing that I note is, you know, it shows for the senior affordable housing capacity at 162 with 116 parking spots. When I count them, I come up with 92 and even less if you delete the spots that are marked for trash staging, staging as well. So I'm not sure where the conflict is there. We've counted them multiple different times. They include, we do, they ask us to include the street parking in front of the building. So we do include that. But we have some parking underneath the buildings as well that is tucked under. So we have those units as well. And we have some on the side on the private drive. The parking on one side is also for the seniors as well. So that's the overall number as we have it. We will double check it though, I promise you. Which is why you've counted it multiple times yourself. I think those were the only questions. And the parking garage is then in the master plan set, not in the affordable senior housing, correct? Okay. That's it. Thank you. Thanks, Eric. And I'll ask Mr. Diaz this question since it hasn't been covered yet. I guess since you don't have financing lined up and that sort of thing, maybe you can just speak to in general, based on the funding stack, what is the likelihood that you'll be required to hire a apprentice and or union labor to facilitate the construction of the project? Thank you. So at this point, we really are not sure what the funding sources will be exactly for the project. There are several public funding sources that we are considering, including community development block grant disaster relief funds, as well as disaster relief tax credit funds. And so based on the requirements of that funding is how we will proceed. In general, those oftentimes require a certain percentage of prevailing wage. And then also to that end, what are you doing as far as mechanical? So HVAC, I know the rooftop is full of area for solar. So how are you handling HVAC? So we're evaluating two or three different systems currently. We are in the new code. So we are going to have, we're going to have ventilation to all the units. We'll have a system of air conditioning for each of the units. We'll have some smaller scale condensing units on the roof. It'll, we'll place them so that we strategically don't minimize the solar. That's the, but the roofs will be pretty busy up there once we get them. And so each of the units will have AC individually for them. And they'll also have MIRV 13 filters for indoor air quality and ventilation, which is now required by code. We have two or three or four systems that we evaluate. And as we work closer and start to get our financing, we will be working with our general contractor to make sure that we get a cost-effective system that meets all of our client's needs and our, and our resident's needs. And just as an example, a recent similar senior housing development, I actually just moved my mother in line too that we designed. So now I'm really under the gun after eight years of being on the waiting list. And so, and she has air conditioning and loves the new raised planter gardens that she has, doesn't have to bend over for and operable windows and, and a nice kitchen, full kitchen. It is electric. And I think that each of the appointments of the, in the community space, etc., for quality living for the residents and they generally stay there for a very long time. We've also reached out to Sonoma Clean Power to see about the opportunity to create a partnership with them for this project. So we're anxious to advance that conversation. Great. Thank you. And speaking to the livability, can you speak a little bit to the programmatic aspect of the storage rooms with the storage lockers? Just, I mean, I think I gather what they're useful for, but it is space that you're giving up that could otherwise be a unit. So I'm just wondering what the residents enjoy about that. We have found that there's a number, you know, there's different populations in each of the residential communities. Some of them have moved from, from a home at some point. Some are homeless. And so it's a mix of population. But they also have their life belongings. And one of the things that's kind of nice is when they move into a, to a new community that they don't have to give all of those trinkets and chockies up. We've noted in one of the pictures at the front door is often they're displaying their, some of their life out in front. And that is their front door and it's welcoming. But the things that they only use at Christmas time, things like that, that they really don't want to give up, that don't really have a place in their living space every single day. It gives them the opportunity to have a place that they can store it, that it's secure, and it's secure and only accessible by that resident. It is kind of somewhat visible because it's a cage more than it is a room with them. But it also doesn't take away a living unit because we place them on the inside corners where we would have other storage room space. So it isn't, if we aren't trading storage space for apartment, we are trying to maximize that. But when you do have unique building forms and you have an indoor inside corner, let's use it for something that is not just extra space, but it's for the residents and that they can continue to hold on to parts of their lives that they want at Christmas time or at another event. And I think it does well for them and it brings them a little comfort as they move into a new home that they aren't abandoning their whole life as they proceed forward because it is a new life that they bring to that community. Great. Thank you. I appreciate it. I don't have any further questions, so let's move into comments about the project. Sure. I love how I'm in the hot seat all the time now. This is nice. I don't make the seating chart. I know, right? Golly. So first off, I want to say a big thank you to the Burbank team and Van Meter Williams and Pollock. This is what I would consider a superior concept level package. So as a member of Design Review Board, I really appreciate getting these sorts of packages because then it gives us a robust set of things to look at both your design intent, materials finishes, and also I think kind of globally the plan for the entire project. So I think I kind of hinted at this a little earlier. This is a little bit perhaps out of my purview on the Design Review Board because it's not really part of our job, but I am going to say this. I think we, you guys need to stuff this property full as much as you can. And so I would encourage you to investigate going to four stories everywhere if you can and pursue the density bonus, if possible, with the inclusion of more affordable housing. I think we've seen a lot in the last couple of weeks here in our county related to homelessness and other things and folks looking for affordable properties. And I think the more affordable housing here, the better. Of course, there's a place for market rate because that's how you offset the affordable units. So I think trying to find a way to go four stories everywhere, I would be okay with it from a design standpoint. I think the building forms and the massing can support it with just an addition of an extra floor, frankly. I really like the building forms and the massing. I like the materiality of most everything. Not in love with the color, but I think that's something you guys can explore. I mean, you picked probably like the most bland Trespa color on the planet. I know there's a bunch of different Trespa colors that are more intriguing that might be worthwhile to look at for your building. The stain concrete or the integral colored concrete, the Davis color, I think is kind of unique in trying to set a base material. And then moving up, I like the concept behind the color scheme. I just didn't like the full execution, if that makes sense. So I think explore maybe some brighter colors, less kind of beige. Feels very institutional, I think, when we pursue earth tones and beiges as nice and appealing as they are on kind of smaller projects. I think when they start, the pallet starts to get larger, they feel kind of institutional in that sense. I really love this aerial kind of rendering of the whole site in terms of how everything plays together with the park, the amenity building for the market rate housing, the kind of just the way that the site's organized is really, really very thoughtful. You crammed a lot into a big property, but it doesn't make it feel, I think, overstuffed in a way, if that makes sense. And I think what's kind of nice about this particular property is that there are kind of some similar things going on across the street in a much less dense way. So I think this kind of belongs in a way in terms of the forms that you've created, but you've upped the game a little bit, which is nice. And then, I mean, beyond that, I would say just look into some different colors. I'd be interested to see, when we see the market rate housing, I'd be interested to see what the kind of the eventual revelation of the entry portals becomes. I mean, this idea of the little obelisks is kind of interesting, but I'm curious what that flesh is out as at the two drives in. And I guess maybe that's more dependent on the traffic study in terms of if another traffic light gets stuck in here, maybe, or I'm not really sure how that impacts that. Christine, I really like this kind of sculptural berm idea to kind of soften that heavy traffic corner and kind of protect what's behind it. I think it's going to be really unique and cool. I wasn't quite sure what it was until I saw the picture up here, and you sold me on that with that picture. I thought it was really cool. And then, I guess my last comment, it was a question that came up, I think, during our other questions, but it's a question to the applicant team. What's the advantage of subdividing the lot as opposed to developing it all at once or maintaining one owner? It's kind of a weird subdivision, too, when I looked at it. It's kind of like it's almost like the phasing of the projects, but I guess I'm curious about the advantage of subdividing the lot. So the current property owner has owned the property since, I want to say, the 1950s when the Mobile Home Park was originally developed. That family intends to stay in the property and in the deal. So both the affordable developer and the market rate developer, the position in the property is a long-term ground lease. So that kind of dictates how the project moves forward. And then, as far as a parcelization standpoint, BRJE, the affordable developer, felt that it was very important to locate the senior affordable in the southeast corner of the site, most proximate to transit and Kaiser in the services for walkability and convenience largely. And so that kind of started to start to set the parcelization from there. And funding requires a separate ownership for the affordable component in particular. There's that. That's the piece that was, I think, that makes me understand a little bit the mechanisms behind why the parcelization is important here. Because I think from someone outside looking in, they're going to say, hey, why are you breaking up this parcel if you're going to develop it all together? But when you break it down to that level, it makes more sense. So those are my comments. Things is a great project. We need more projects like this. I feel bad that we're a little hamstrung by the zoning code a little bit. Just because of where this is located, if we're located in a different spot, we could go denser. But because of where it is, we're kind of where we are. But I think you've maximized it as much as you can. I would encourage you to try to go further. I mean, five, whatever, 540 is great. 730 is better, right, in terms of housing need. I know we always talk about that. I think we just, Councilman Rogers just shared some data on this about, we've only built X number and we were supposed to build this much. I think he's kind of been harping on that lately. But thank you very much. This is a great package. And I can't wait for this to go forward. And I'm glad that we don't have to see it again in a good way. So thank you. Thank you, Drew. Henry, comments? Yeah, thank you. Thank you very much for bringing us a very complete concept package. But I know it didn't happen overnight. And I've got to look at it for a week and on work that you spent the last couple of years on. So in that week that I've been reviewing it, I had a hard time trying to find something to give you constructive to change about the project. But I did have a question before I finished my comments. This building right here, that looks like a gathering center or some sort of community aspect to it. Maybe a grocery store. Could you tell me what that is? Yes. So that is a concept. And one way that the site might be built out, that is depicted more as probably gathering spaces, maybe some gathering spaces with a mix of units. But that is part of the market rate development. And so that is really to be determined as to how that building ends up turning out based on market conditions and demand. Well, it is a building on the tentative map lot though. So it looks, but on that and in some of the other general plan package, it looks like it's more apartments and not a community. That's where I was going with my question. Correct. So we don't really know what that building will end up being. That will be up to the determination of the market rate developer. But it could potentially be built out to the community building. It could be units. If it is units, those units are accounted for in the 532. Sorry. Okay. One more question. The parking garage is back here in the corner. Is that correct? So these units in the front, I'm guessing this main connector pathway is going to go back and connect to that parking garage. Is that a good assumption? So it could, but the parking for those units is also partially under the building off of an alley. They could also have some of the parking that's over on the far right-hand side. That's even better. I was worried about these. So there's an alleyway? There's an alley in between those two buildings. Between those buildings so that the parking will be... Never mind. I was just corrected by my fellow board member that there is ample parking there. Because I was worried about if he didn't designate some sort of... These either become visitors to parking spots and the parallel spots that these units are going to take it all before they get back from the parking garage. And I still think you ought to designate some visitor parking spots. But so with that, I think this is a very aggressive package and approach. And I think the numbers that you've come up with are more than adequate. I think stuffing more in this location might be problematic. And I think the traffic report maybe even bear out my hypotheses that this is the right number. I appreciate my fellow board members' comment about having more. And more is better and probably the right location. I hope that maybe there is some sort of side amenity in that building. I was at an apartment building down in Corda Madera for the unfortunate loss of the 49ers this last Sunday. But as part of that apartment complex, they had a little mini store right in the corner of the complex. And I thought that was very, very creative. Milk, some of the basics. I mean, it wasn't, you're not going to get a filet mignon steak down in there. But you're going to get some of the basics. And you don't have to get in your car and go somewhere. I thought it was pretty slick. And I only found it because I usually parked in that parking spot where they had designated, dedicated parking for that kind of mini-mart within the complex. So that's my only comment about the general plan. The affordable housing concept, I like the step downs at the entry. It's almost the opposite of what I typically do with my design. So I usually try to upplay them and make them a tower element. But I like the fact that it is a little bit more pedestrian level. And I think what you've done is very effective. I like the bus stop location. It's on the right spot on the side of the street. I had color pallet. On the elevations, I generally like it. When I got the materials board, I kind of felt a little bit like my fellow board member that there was some blandness to it. But given its use, I think it's actually very attractive. And wouldn't mind seeing a further exploration on it. But I wouldn't make it a must. The sunshade, I really like your sunshade elements with the metal in the wood. And I'm glad that more projects like this are coming before us and wish you guys very quick success with getting it built. Thank you, Henry. Warren. Thank you, fellow board members so far. I want to resonate with a couple of things. First, an important thing. I want to empathize with the need to have a collective opportunity for both nonprofit and for-profit development in Santa Rosa. When we speak about the disaster relief funds, there are very delicate things in play. The eligibility even have those funds has a window of time. You have two years to do it. This is why I was talking about seven years. It's kind of like a flock of Canadian geese coming in. You've got to be dead on before April with one set of entitlements and dead on. These numbers go by quickly. It's really an amazing professional effort. I want to give you a high compliment here. Just the moving parts of Burbank and getting people in seniors that lost that residence is key. The area is not an opportunity zone. It's out of that boundary. And one of the delicate matters is you can, whether it's a 4% or 9% tax credit with the seniors on the Burbank thing, I would imagine a developer that can, well, Burbank can retain obviously their builder, their go-to builder that can perform on all the construction with the working drawings. That's not an easy subject matter with the larger part ahead. And tonight we're, I can say, I love the master plan, the side I can talk for hours about the showers. I think it's a beautiful job of trying to suppress the car, bring people of the life, give them vitamin D in green spaces. I couldn't be happier with your master planning and everything from even, I think that the monuments around the oak trees, Christine will hold out terraced perfectly, whether they would, I'm speaking facetiously here, but all these cars and 16-wheel trucks that came down, fountain grow without breaks, you probably even thought of that because I feel safe in the whole project. So my comments in general are I'm fine with the colors. I see the green a little deeper, but I don't want to get into a situation in Santa Rosa where something synthetic starts to happen because of color preferences. Some people are traumatized and they're used and they hate certain colors. I just want to let go and allow Santa Rosa to develop where an applicant comes in and I don't want to get that specific. So to me it's a tour de force of helping the seniors. It's a brave moment when this group comes together and getting various developers together in a room that can agree with each other and let go and whether they want an 11% return. In San Francisco it's falling apart because too many developers in the last six-year cycle asked for a mandatory return on their investment, construction costs went to the roof, they're all fighting, attorneys are making money. In Santa Rosa what's a happy thing is I don't think you're mandated on, you can keep making extensions on the master plan. It's my hope and I talked about type three as you develop more and more complexity in building typology and higher density. I like the higher density. It's just the question is getting this whole thing financed and having those windows is a very delicate thing. And yes there could be 200 more units with more general plan issues and so forth. So I'm not here to undermine and I think Drew, there are excellent points here about utilizing land. It's the financing issues that are driving things and right now we can't get $3,410 for a two-bedroom unit. And that's pretty much the whole issue here. So I would say this much. I love Henry's idea was pretty elegant about the community building having, is it between gluten-free bread and whatever is needed. I'm willing to go from a 1.4 to a 1.2 parking for the market-rate side. If you could put both a whole wheat and gluten-free bread in that, I'm working on a project now with the exact same issues is why get out of your car later to make more smog to get across a six-lane freeway to get your bread. So great, great job. And even if the liner is lost, your ideas save the day. That's more important to me, okay? Very good, Warren. Thank you. Adam, how can I follow up the bread comments? That's great. He covered what I was going to say about bread. Yeah, just to echo, it's just like Henry was saying, examining his package, trying to find things to give constructive feedback on. And it's a very well thought out site plan. And I can tell that you're all working together to, you know, I see all of the different voices in the plan, which is really great to see. It doesn't seem like anyone's sort of, you know, really like, you know, sort of running the gauntlet here. And so it's a very nice team effort. And it's a very, it seems like you're thinking, you know, financially and spatially. And it really comes through. And, you know, little details like the placement of the bus stop and the affordable housing, you know, it's great to think that, you know, elderly people don't have to walk across the entire site. You know, it's nice to have that there. So there's little things like that. So this is an example where I can tell that you're thinking about things. You got centrally located things. Your avenues are very, very nice. I do think that your attention to detail is really great too. For a concept, you guys are actually getting, you're drilling down a lot of things, you know. I do like those sunshades. I like your innovative use of materials. I think that you're thinking, you're already thinking of how to maximize what you can do here. So that's definitely coming through. Yeah, the thinking of the entrances is, you know, really conceptually thinking very well about it. You know, monumental trees. I really do also like the sculptural berms. I think it's a very nice detail, both for, you know, the general grand entrance of, you know, Fountain Grove and Bendicino. You know, it's a huge intersection. So you've got to equally sort of announce this project as well. The buildings will do that, but to have something there that, you know, there's drawing people in and catching eyes. So that's a really nice detail, while also having a pathway going through it and keeping it human scale. That's my only real comment is to draw that human scale throughout the entire set and really keep that in mind as you're thinking about the layout. And that was where my comments or my question before about the bicycle lanes and the streetscape came into there, too, because you've got these large buildings. It would be, on one hand, I can see both sides of the argument to increase that density, get four stories, really get that out there. I also know that you also have to think financially and pencil it out. And if you create the, you know, four stories everywhere, you're going to really increase the massing. You guys are having to, you know, ride the line where you're in this, in these large, large intersections. You've got the highway. You've got also Kaiser right next to it. We can't forget there's a hospital next door, which is huge, big blocky buildings. And so you also have to balance, you know, if we want to make this whole block, which is a very long block, huge buildings, then that's going to, it's going to, you know, it could be a very huge kind of canyon aspect to that end of Mendocino. So really continue to kind of push the leafiness, the human scale. I think the innovative use of materials will be really great to continue bringing that in, because, again, to kind of contrast with Kaiser right there to make this, you know, it's already looking very residential, which is great, but to really emphasize that it's not, you know, an extension of this huge monumental block. Colors could do that. The green is a little drab, and I would like to see something a little more vibrant, but I also, you know, I also think that Warren has a good point that we don't need to sort of always be pushing just, you know, candy colors everywhere in Santa Rosa. You know, and one of the things about that is just to bring that up, but I also, from the level of detail and thought that you are all putting into this, I trust that you're going to be going into a very well thought out and very tasteful final product. I think it's, it's really great. So really it is to consider that, to keep and really keep in mind the human scale, and I think it's, it can be tempting to want to build everything out as much as possible, but to really also remember that this is a place, you know, it's homes. It's a neighborhood. You guys are creating a neighborhood, you know, this little site, and so to just remember who's going to be there. Think about kids walking around, you know, people, everything. So, and I know you're doing that. And I think, yeah, I look forward to, look forward to seeing the market rate come back to us, but I think the site plan is really great, and I'm very excited to see the affordable housing section be built. So thanks very much. Thank you, Adam. Eric, comments? Well, first thank you. It is in-depth, well done. With great detail, so I really appreciate it, and you were well prepared for all the questions, the entire team. So thank you very much. The, I do agree with Henry's idea in regards to the 4B building in regards to making that a mini grocery store that's gluten-free to help out Warren here, and which I am, and coffee shop, et cetera. You can put, if you can find a merchant that can sell diapers, they can sell it from one end of the spectrum to the other for all the tenants there. So again, I do think it's, you know, when I'm joking aside, I think it's a really good idea, something that would help. I do have a concern in regards to, I'm curious to see what ends up happening with the traffic study. There's some issues there, maybe thoughts about, and I see that the north entrance driveway is a right turn only when exiting onto the street, which is a great idea, but maybe making that one particular entrance as an entrance only, and the exits coming from both the middle and south driveways. But again, I think the traffic study is going to, will give you more information in regards to that. It's just an entrance there is just too close to that busy intersection and the speed, you know, maybe a speed survey that goes on. My concern is people pulling out into front of traffic with that speed. So I think it's a great project. Love to see Bill, love to see the project get funding, for sure. And it's unfortunate what happened to the previous residents, but at least, you know, you got to close that chapter and move forward. So really well done, really well, great presentation. Thank you very much. Thanks, Eric. Yeah, I would echo everything that my fellow board members said. I think that the site plan is amazing. The more I kept looking at it, it's just really activated in numerous ways. And as you went through your presentation, you talked about all the ways that it's activated, and I couldn't agree more. You know, you built on paper anyways, a very, you know, community oriented, well thought through layout of where the buildings are located and how people are going to interact. And I think, you know, Adam's right, or you can get even further into the minutiae on each space on its own and really bring those spaces out in total to make it even greater. I'll echo what Eric just mentioned about the north entry. I think it's problematic. I really do also like what you've done with it, to make it pronounced from a landscape standpoint and having the dual access people can stay on Mendocino. They can also come into the property there. But I think that it might also be appropriate to look at the slowdown lane so you can get off the street faster. It would open up, you know, the driver's sight line a little bit better. I think Eric's correct. You're coming down off of Fountain Grove, making a left there. It's a tough spot to be, you know, pulling out and making a right. It's a tough spot to be pulling, stopping and making a right as well. And then the same thing coming off of the overpass there. You know, people are paying attention to the stoplight and then when it's their turn, they're going. So, you know, it wouldn't be the end of the world if it stayed as it is, but just something to look at there. I think there's also a decent elevation change at that location, three or four feet, if I read it correctly. So just, again, Eric brought it up. We'll let you figure it out because I know you're capable. Let's see. What else did I have? I brought it up a little bit earlier. The screening of whatever ends up being on the rooftop. I know you've got a, you know, five-foot parapet, but some of those units could be well in excess of that, seven, eight feet. And so you might end up wanting to screen those with the similar architecture, obviously. And I think Henry put it best, you know, looking at this package is hard to kind of find a way to really make it better because I think you've probably gone through several iterations of it yourselves and they've really vetted it through and it's clear in what you've delivered. If we could pull up the elevation one time, I just wanted to point out one thing that keeps jumping out at me. So I'm just going to say it and then you can do with it what you will. Let's get, yeah, keep going. Can we get just like a elevation, not a rendering? Yeah. So it's, go back. Yeah. So it's this space right in here between those two. I kind of feel like I want to see the horizontal siding come down to this level. And maybe it's just actually right at these towers. I, you know, again, some to explore. It just seems like it's broken up here for not a whole lot of space that you're getting with the stucco, especially from a perspective view. It's the only thing I saw. Good. Yeah, you're right. See only type. Yeah. Anyways, you'll figure it out. It's just something that kept catching my eye as I reviewed the package. Any other parting comments from board members after you've heard other people? Real quick, when you did this print here, these are beautiful colors, just a little more saturated. I'm not saying jump out of the heat of the chroma graphic, but I think that's where it was. And as an applicant, did you have any questions based on any feedback that you've heard? Staff, anything? Super. Well, it's a great project. And I think, you know, the words of encouragement are only the words of encouragement, but you've got a lot of work cut out for you and getting it financed and built. So best of luck to you in that. Thank you. Okay. On to item number seven, board member reports. Are there any board member reports to be had? Seeing none. Item number eight, department reports. Seeing Bill shake his head, there are no department reports. And that will bring us to item number nine, adjournment. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate it.