 Welcome to Every Way Woman. Here, the color of feminism is the topic today. It's obviously evolved throughout the years, but it's also different in different cultures, communities. Stacey, what does it mean to you? For me being an African-American woman, it means that I am twofold. I'm supposed to be strong. A lot of, in our culture, a lot of men are absent. But then also, I want that chivalry. So I wanna be independent, but I want that man to take care of me, to coddle me. And sometime that conflicts, because it doesn't represent what a feminist is supposed to be. Well, I do think there's a common thread in that we wanna be treated like women. How I grew up kind of in the Waspe community, if you will, very conservative, West Michigan. That's how it was for me, but I think that it is different. But in my culture, I don't have a choice. A lot of times I have to be the person because there's no other person around. Where in some cultures, maybe in Michigan, you don't necessarily have to, you can choose to. Oftentimes as a black woman, I gotta take that role on. Well, I know growing up, I grew up without a father for a couple of years throughout my early childhood. So my mom taught me, basically, you need to be independent. You need to be financially stabilized. You need to be able to cook, clean, and go to work, and take care of your kids. And to me. You need to do it all. That's the idea of feminism, to me, is just being an all-round, all-round-wounded woman. But how was that supported by the Latino man? Ooh. That's what I wanted. I was like, what? Wow. Latino man. I believe a lot of them, not everybody, so if you're watching right now, relax. But they can be really controlling. It can be very controlling, because I think being a Latino, it's like what they say has to go, you know? And even- Is that how you were raised? No. No. Well, maybe. This is like therapy for me, I'm thinking, no. No, actually, I wasn't. My dad was controlling in a sense. Actually, I lied. He was very controlling, yeah. But going back to maybe perhaps dating, it happens to me a lot. It's like they want to take control. They expect you, when they want to settle down, they talk about the whole getting married, and you have to be at home, being a wife, being this and that. And it's like, whoa, I'm independent. Like, if I do get married, I still want to work. So let me ask you this. I don't think I want to have children. You know what I mean? To your point, because you are a strong independent woman, would you consider dating outside your race, or would you find that to be maybe a slap against your culture? Not at all. Not at all. Not mind dating outside my race. How are these men controlling? Going back to my dad, this is so bad. He wouldn't even let us look. Well, if we were eating dinner with our whole family and my sister and my mom, we couldn't even look at the next table. Wow. And this is bad. This is something that I probably, if he's watching, sorry. But yeah, we couldn't even look at the next table. And if we did, we would get punished. But see, just like you and I grew up in a Latino community too. So it's like all my friends and my sister's friends and my mom's friends and even within my family, the Hispanic men are very controlling. They can be aggressive. They just want it their way or no way. And I hate to be stereotypical here because there aren't great Hispanic men out there. There are a lot of good dads and boyfriends and husbands out there that are Latino, but it's like, that's the real stereotypical view is because there's more of them out there like that. But is it true that Latino women are expected to mother a lot of children? Is that a pressure for you? And that's such a stereotyped, right? Yeah, definitely too. I mean, it's a stereotype, but yeah, definitely having a lot of children, being at home, not working, you know? I mean, it's not everybody. There's a lot of my Latina friends that are business owners and stuff, but these are like the, I would say nowadays, we're making changes, but that's usually the stereotype. And so to bring that to the African-American culture, and again, these are stereotypes like Anna, keep the test, it's not everyone. But oftentimes the man, if he is present, sometimes he's not bringing his game. So even though he's present, I still have to do everything. Then he's absent. So either I'm doing everything or I have a man here who's kind of sorta doing this, kind of sorta not. So how do I decide? And if I'm too strong, then I talk too much. I don't want a woman who talk too much. You do everything, but then if I don't talk or I'm a little subservient, then I'm gonna, you know, you're not good enough. So it's really a challenge. You know, it's interesting too, because I think that there is this almost fading feminism because the lines are getting very blurred, at least from my generation, and speaking in regards to dating and relationships. And I don't think the men know where to fit in anymore. They don't know if they should be children or us, if they should pay the tap, if they assume that you will pay half the tap. And I was taught that you should reach in your purse, expect them to, but you should always at least offer to take care of your own, you know? And you have to pay with it. Right, just kidding. But these lines are blurred and I don't think men know how to react because we as women are in this balancing act. Women are asking men to marry them. So you're right. Things are changing. Roles are changing. Roles are changing. More information, go to everywaywoman.com. We'll follow up with you on the movement. Stay tuned. We'll be right back.