 the nintendo prime podcast season two episode 23 how we do and uh you might notice the podcast is a bit light today uh we're kind of kicking in a little old school it wasn't supposed to be this old school we actually i technically had at 1.6 days ago six people for the show uh two of the people just they couldn't made it out of scheduling conflict and i never asked anyone else and i figured we're fine we have four people right well andris restart lets me know super late hey i'm tired he's probably sleeping right now so uh he's not here and then darin maybe he shows up maybe he doesn't he's having technical difficulties so i don't know what the hell's going on with that so here's what we do have we still have nate and we still have eric you know why because the show must go on because we have things we need to talk about so for starters i am your host as always mister nintendo prime nathan rubble jance you're gonna probably hear me talk a lot more during the show maybe we'll see if i can get eric to talk to kick him a little bit i gotta talk he's literally right next to me just kick him a little bit um so we got eric here as well how's it going buddy good good loud noises loud noises from the king of the north all right so let's just get into uh well maybe get into some stuff here you know what we can talk about quick yeah there's one thing we can we can talk about a briefly here just in case darin pops back in in the moment uh we got an event happening next week don't we do a special event what what day does that happen do you even remember uh that would be the eighth ninth tenth and the eleventh that's right folks we have prime gaming fest coming back i got i got my my shirt i'm a sweatshirt on for uh so prime gaming fest coming back next week it's our biggest giveaway event of the year uh it lots of prizes being given out we have a lot of competitions we react to a whole bunch of stuff uh summer game fest the xbox showcase future game show the developer digital direct which is back again of course it is uh pc game show etc etc so we react to all that stuff you have a mario card at the lux tournament happening one of the days where the top 10 people in that tournament all win a prize uh we have uh other giveaways as well we have competition between eric and i there's some very very specific competitions eric's like oh no oh no camera problems again yep of course just switch to the other camera i'm going um so so we have some other stuff going on as well at prime gaming fest uh competition some stuff arriving tomorrow in over the next week uh we'll be playing some uh some some grim reaper checkers uh and then the loser of that also has to spin the wheel of death uh pretty much any competition between eric and i during the show the loser has to spin a wheel of death we have a trivia game we have other stuff i don't really want to give away all of it we have a lot going on but it is our biggest giveaway of the event of the year so from basically yesterday through well i guess the eighth probably going to be reminding you guys every day that we have that event coming up by the end of this week we should have all of the streams for that event set up they are 12 hour streams starting from 8 a.m to 8 p.m uh every thursday of friday saturday and sunday next week so um every only next week while i ate it technically is every thursday friday saturday next week of next week right technically you're you were correct yeah so there is that and i'm going to check on darren quick and before we do uh let's get into what have we been playing lately i think i know the answer to this but eric what have you been playing lately i had my switch here i actually brought it oh oh a switch it's real i was actually a gamer today it's it exists yeah no one's actually a gamer today i was playing here's the kingdom obviously no you're playing switch you're not a real gamer anymore no no too old yep um no i played here's the kingdom i am messing around in the southeast right now and then i'm gonna head up here once i find the last tower in that southeast corner i'm gonna head up to the rito and start going that way because that's what the way the game seems to want to play me just cuz so you're still playing sparks of hope no you heard the tears of the king the priorities play i've beat that yeah there's new dlc coming but it's not here yet it's not here yet we got tears of the tower we're good tears of the kingdom might still no you're just popping in and out because you're on a crap camera now it is what it is yeah there is that we're gonna go up there replacing that cable i think this is what well i i mean i have other cables yeah i know but uh right in this immediate vicinity there is there's the one that used to be running from there to here and it's not connected or anything it's just sitting there is it yeah no so i have other usbc cables yes fair enough technical difficulties aside um it wouldn't be a podcast it wouldn't be a podcast with us too with us too without technical difficulties uh then you have me i what have i been playing lately i have been playing well tears of the kingdom quant like there's anything else i don't want to say anything else worth playing because let's be honest this week's been a really great week for a number of gamers yeah if you're playing tears of the kingdom every week's a great week for you but street fighter six came out or got reviewed anyways was it like a 92 a metacritic like congrats street fighter six were pulling that off and then diablo four reviews dropped you know and that was like 88 89 so like diablo four seemed to deliver street fighters seem to deliver like hell of a good week for games so we got tears of the kingdom so it's just been really really nice to see a lot of really good games releasing lately obviously in terms of the tears of the kingdom probably a game of the year contender but even with those other ones it's just nice to have a lot of really good games and this has sparked a lot of conversations across the internet over is this the best year in gaming i think that's a little premature um three really good games one of them being a goatee contender doesn't necessarily mean best year ever we got a long ways to go i still think they are opening years better well opening year you can argue for switch but i mean a lot of people say this we're talking the whole gaming industry and it's like well yeah but not everything like red fall didn't hit yeah um and that was a big flub for xbox now high fire rush though on the opposite hand shadow drop game very very good but then playstation right they launched with four spoke in the start of the year yeah wasn't really that great unfortunately but then nintendo came through with a solid fire alone game of fire alone engage so it's been kind of hit or miss all year i'm not saying everything from nintendo is a hit i mean i'm a little bias for nintendo i have a hard time seeing any other games this year that weren't at least decent um kirby's return to dream on deluxe decent uh it was always a decent game and the deluxe version is not really any worse than what it used to be and then you know you had bayonetta origin which yeah that was also pretty good uh but we don't have to go back too far because we can go all the way back to november of last year or scarlet and violet was kind of a mess so not everything goes smoothly for all company i was like trying to find a negative release for nintendo and i was like there has to be something nintendo's published as negative that's the one at the same point time it's sold like hotcakes well i mean it's pokemon man some games are just immune immune to the the things uh anyway so seriously the kingdom that's what i've been playing and i have completed three dungeons now i've completed three dungeons uh i don't know how many there are obviously the quest line like points out four locations so you assume four like breath of the wild but i've heard there's more beyond that so we'll see what happens there so i i'm three dungeons in eric is uh one camera out i might go uh i might go i know i can go do a technical fix for it well um you talk for a moment because i'm gonna try running that webcam through my computer over here and see if that's problems yeah um that being said uh before we because that's a built-in webcam too yeah well yeah but i know they're terrible terrible uh so eric we have two topics today but i do want to get one thing out of you what are your thoughts on tears of the kingdom so far holy crap um put me on a spot way don't you know well welcome to the podcast and throw your kind of spot um you know i'm having a lot of fun with it um to the point of i mean it it's very i haven't gotten too deep into it yet so it's it's very breath the wild ask um right now so it's still really freaking good um yeah i think it's awful yeah totally totally i think it's just the absolute worst game ever made um um but you know it i i've not into it too far um so it's still kind of like i said breath the wild ask um which is phenomenal i don't it is what it is um but uh you know i'm working my way towards the first dungeon here probably in the redo area um so i'm gonna gonna head that way um sometime soon as yeah and just kind of keep going through the uh the the story and and kind of get up that way and and see where i end up from there so thoughts on the story so far early game the story so far early games early game story this is like opening yeah yeah no no it's it's it's really good um i found a few of the tiers and those cutscenes are absolutely ridiculously insane awesome love it um you know it i really should um i really should uh what am i looking for actually figure out what order they go in and uh you know actually figure out and go through the story i've tried doing that hunting them down a little bit have you done a dragon tear yet uh i'm not sure so probably not that's gonna be a no because you don't even know what a dragon is probably not but you know so not everyone has to know everything yeah well i just found out something you didn't know today so what was that i don't even know the wreath the wreath thing from the way it doesn't sound important yeah no i mean i'm guessing it's just a uh it's a uh there i am um working camera this right right um i'm guessing it is uh something that you get for visiting all of the rings in kekriko um so it's uh it's something i'm guessing that you just hang in your house but don't know because all of a sudden i bought it for i think 20 rupees and i was standing there holding it up on my head and all of a sudden like what do i do with this i don't know what to do so oh you know it was like cool so i dropped on the ground anyway wow all right um so let's get into our actual first topic today uh and i still don't have the topic list up but i'm pretty sure i remember it being about the dolphin emulator yeah yes so nintendo hates the dolphin emulator they this is the first time nintendo has come out publicly and called an emulator illegal so to give some background on this for those that didn't keep up with the story uh the dolphin emulator was set to release on steam all right they announced it back in march that they were working on a version that would run on steam now obviously this became a big deal not because it's on steam and you can play it on pc you can already play it on pc it was because of steam deck and being able to work natively with steams operating system by actually having it natively available through steam so that was sort of the the big bugaboo there now nintendo uh decided that they didn't like that so as the story goes according to somebody who actually works on the dolphin emulator valve reached out to nintendo and asked what they thought about dolphin releasing on the platform now it is notable people talk about what there being emulators on on steam and yada yada yada there is not a playstation xbox or nintendo emulator on steam to be clear none of the major platform holders actually have emulators officially on steam so while you could find some emulators for otari so the big three right now currently have no steam approved emulators now that being said doesn't mean people haven't found a way to boot emulators into it and yada yada and make it run like there's a whole bunch of videos out there about adding emulators into steam uh to make them usable on your steam deck and stuff like that so people are already doing that but it's not like native you don't just search for say uh the yuzu emulator and boom now you have the switch emulator it's on steam that's not really how it works all right so to be clear steam hasn't really allowed any of those emulators to be on their platform now valve reached out to nintendo and asked them what do they think about the dolphin emulator nintendo and this was valve's legal team reach you know uh nintendo's legal team responded and basically said you know we think the emulators are illegal we think it breaks some certain clauses of dmca will you please remove it now they did not file a legal claim this is the big thing what this amounted to is nintendo being like hey it's like a cease and desist letter it means nothing it's just it's just asking you to do something because they don't like it that's what a cease and desist really is it is not threatening a lawsuit it is saying will you please remove this if you don't maybe we'll do something nintendo never filed a 512 section c anything to get it taken down nintendo did not legally take out the dolphin emulator they just asked steam to remove it valve said you know what no problem man we'll remove it now in valves terms of service it states quite plainly that valve has the right on their platform to remove anything for any reason which is pretty typical most platform holders have that in their terms of service it is just a blanket hey this is our platform we have full control of our platform cool so because dolphin emulator got kicked off of steam by the way it never actually officially released on steam just the steam page was taken down and because it got kicked off steam uh but the way that it was kicked off means the dolphin emulator people don't have any legal recourse they can't sue nintendo to get back on steam because they weren't actually removed for a legal reason it was simply nintendo asked and valve complied so because of that there's nothing dolphin can really do to get back on steam at all now now this is where things get really sticky so nintendo was asked by kataku to make a public statement on this what is their real reasoning do you have a comment and nintendo responded and they basically went to a long-winded way of saying this emulator is illegal it contains keys for nintendo we games which it does it actually it actually contains the decrypting tool that was used for we so basically you can put encrypted we files in the emulator and it'll decrypt it and nintendo created that encryption stuff so technically they're using something that nintendo created all right so that was nintendo stance they called the emulator illegal they called emulation illegal they called roms illegal which roms in general unless you dump your own stuff is pretty much a complete legal gray area it's it's it's pretty certain that rom downloaded the rom distribution is definitely illegal rom downloading supposed to be illegal but it's not really enforced that much uh maybe because just too many people do it to really enforce it but uh distribution is uh way illegal and nintendo's won many lawsuits over distribution of roms the interesting thing in all of this is not only that nintendo called the the dolphin emulator illegal which is interesting because if it is then why isn't nintendo going after them legally not just on steam they can get the entire dolphin emulator shut down and it's because we don't actually know if it's illegal and here is the main issue with why we don't know why it's if it's illegal most things with emulation have never been tested in court so is it illegal to have an encryption key decrypter from the we in dolphin it sounds like it would be but we don't actually know because it's never been tried in court in fact the court case that everyone refers to that says emulators are legal that's not actually what the court case said the court case happened all the way back in 1999 when sony went after a emulator for playstation saying that emulating playstation games is illegal now sony technically lost the lawsuit on a technicality uh the technicality had something to do with the playstation bios and something within that bios allowed the emulating company to win sony's response to that was we're going to buy out the company and shut the emulator anyway which is exactly what sony did but here's the thing everyone points to that case is stating emulation is legal because of this case but actually it was a very specific thing with a bios for playstation that made it legal that didn't actually blanket mean that it's all legal so here is the conundrum for nintendo and the conundrum for people who like emulation for nintendo they can just blanket say it's illegal but if they don't press a lawsuit doesn't matter and why won't they press a lawsuit to take down dolphin because they don't actually know if it's illegal so if they take it in they could lose and if they lose that's that's that's the precedent that now all emulators can include decryption tools beyond that beyond that emulators don't want to go to court because if they lose emulation could actually be filed as illegal and now not that emulators wouldn't exist but they wouldn't be able to be freely distributed the way they are now where you can just go to dolphin emu dot whatever and download the thing or go to use you or go to ride you jinx for switch like and just down like the easy those are freely you know easily available to download same for the playstation and xbox emulators out there if emulators lost all those websites would be shut down so there's incentive on both sides to never try this in court because nobody wants to lose because it's really bad for either side so when we talk about is emulation legal and this is a huge thing that people bring up emulation is 100 legal it's not because it's never actually been tried in court is emulation legal has never actually gone to court so because of this we're stuck in this situation where we have our opinions but frankly nintendo really hates dolphin they've never called any other emulator illegal to be clear but man what are your thoughts that's the story yeah that's the facts you guys are at the like the facts you can you can hate me saying that emulation isn't guaranteed to actually be legal it's the fact it's never actually gone to court to find out of emulation itself is legal however what are your thoughts eric um i mean if they are actually using proprietary stuff in their emulator i could see how it's illegal um the actual act of emulation itself whether it's illegal or not again as you said it's kind of a gray area always been a gray area that part is but it's always been a no no if you're using proprietary stuff in your stuff without permission so yeah i could see why they would hate dolphin if they're actually using nintendo's stuff yep they're using the like the aes 12 key thing or whatever no if they've found a way to write it themselves to crack the the um keys i that's there's nothing that we knew about that so here's all other emulators do it now now keep in mind games running encrypted back in the day so like nest emulators nest emulators like there there's no encryption yeah uh and you could just like with we it's stupidly easy by the way to just when you dump your files to just dump decrypted already we files and you don't even need an encryption thing that's because we we's security system is completely busted it just basically didn't ever work uh that being said a lot of them the more modern encryption runs do work switches as an example does work you can't dump a decrypted switch file and just play it right so when you use a switch emulator whether it's yuzu or rajunix what happens is the emulator isn't using anything illegal but the emulator can actually play the game unless you go get the illegal key files so that's a whole another thing where the emulator the piece of software might not be illegal maybe we don't know gray area yep but technically doesn't even function without injecting an external potentially illegal file so this is this is where the whole thing comes up where this is all legally gray because we don't actually know if it's illegal this is it sounds like pretty black and white oh if you're using something off of their bios off of their system off their security measures it's illegal sounds like it but is it is it it's kind of like when people go oh well this game is 20 years old so now it's public domain doesn't exactly work that way even though there is a law that does state that there's a lot of things tied in with that would have to be letting trademarks go having to you know if you ever wonder why you see like nintendo why did they renew a trademark for for uh donkey kong arcade because they don't want to lose the rights to their own game like there's a lot of stuff in there like as an example mickey mouse is much older than everyone else and still isn't in the public domain uh it's getting close to the limitation steamboat willy yes steamboat willy it's getting close to because there there's a 20 year period and then there's a longer period where no matter what it's supposed to become public domain but even then the laws are always changing so who knows if if by the time mickey mouse hits that point of it's impossible for any law to protect it if it will remain public domain the point though is the point though is this emulation is something nintendo obviously hates they go after it harder than pretty much any coming on sony's the only one to ever actually try a lawsuit over it nintendo's never actually tried a lawsuit over emulation itself they've only gone for lawsuits over roms but um yeah i don't know i i don't know really what to think about this uh because something else interesting has happened in the world of emulation this just recently was announced so the thought process is nintendo's not shutting down dolphin but they just don't want it to be available on a on a platform that makes you able to play switch games on a platform similar to switch and steam deck cool you can kind of sort of see nintendo's legal logic to be like we don't want people playing switch games that easily on your steam deck people are already doing it but you know just natively like that okay um yuzu a very popular switch emulator just released on android officially released but here's the difference though steam actually reached out to nintendo android probably did not reach out to nintendo to say also androids an open platform and there's also nothing you can do about it you drop an apk and install it's very true that's also very very so like you can't stop it anyways so it's very interesting that that happened and yes by the way a lot of switch games run really well on android you might go what ha phones have been so far ahead of the switches technology for so long like it's it's not really that surprising if you pay attention so that's another thing and nintendo can't do anything about that because it's open see steam is not an open platform but android is so even if it can't get on the google play store even if it couldn't get on the amazon app it's still released on android and that's one thing people love about android is you can have any app any app can be on android um apple whether you notice we didn't say usually usually release on that it's a closed ecosystem it'll probably never release officially on the apple app store because apple wouldn't let it happen now why because they love closed ecosystems and just like they don't want their stuff being on other people's platforms they will respect that a company like nintendo doesn't want that either even though potentially it might be legal but again might be not is so oh man it's it's just a it's an interesting world that we live in um i'm gonna throw this up to the chat a little bit well eric do you have any additional thoughts now i mean you need to switch games on android i go yeah right um i know you were saying that the other two don't work unless you inject the you know um key into them which then actually puts that into a gray area too because technically the software itself doesn't work without the illegal act and it's not the company that's performing the illegal act oh god but it's it's still all legally great because the court case pointed back to for emulation being illegal technically didn't confirm that emulation is legal right they confirmed something within the playstation bios couldn't stop this particular emulator by the way doesn't apply to emulators for other platforms yeah and but people keep pointing that court case but when you actually go through the court case it turns out that it never actually confirmed that emulation is legal and it's kind of like a lot of things with the internet right now we don't know because it has to like like is a lot of the things we do fair use that we say is fair use you don't know because it's never been tested in court that like yeah that like that's that's the thing like it's such a gray area and there's so much fear from both like nintendo has incentive to not go to court for this but but so do the emulators and it is like do you think they'll ever go to court over this like if anyone does this nintendo but right uh no i it's like it's just there's just too much up too much i risk too much i risk for both sides um you might get some happy go lucky emulator person that attempts it but oof you know it there's just way too much at stake for for for both sides i just i don't see how it goes to court ever and that's unless you can prove that they're doing something blatantly illegal but then again that wouldn't be a specific emulation thing that would be a specific company thing that you know they're probably just doing something illegal not necessarily the emulation part now i want to be clear i'm not against emulation if you emulate games that's your choice that this is the way i've always felt about emulation i don't really emulate games i'm i guess i've never done it but it's not something i'm actively participating especially today but i mean i got other things at risk hello my youtube channel uh huh nintendo don't need no legal repercussions to take on my youtube channel links to youtube's automated process so i have massive incentive to not emulate right now piss off nintendo that being said the interesting thing with emulation is i think it's just a personal choice if you want to go emulate games i don't give a shit man like look some people care a lot about whether people emulate games especially when all these people like tears of the kingdom leaked a week early or two weeks early and people were emulating the game and a lot of people were all pissy about it and i just went what are you gonna do if people want to emulate the game we can't stop them and you know what the game's 15 million copies nintendo ain't hurting no no nintendo it didn't stop tears of the kingdom from selling so like yeah it didn't even hurt sales right so even if i'm on like the oh i don't want this to happen because of too many people steal the game not enough people buy the game we're not gonna get more we're getting more we're getting more i'm sure a lot of people that were emulating the game i've already bought the game yeah i think we're getting more sure we're getting more like it's so bonkers and it's continuing so bonkers so i don't care if you emulate the game now i might care if you rub it in my face and you start spoiling things for me that's different but if you personally just want to emulate a game wide when i care yes you do you i'm not going to judge you for it i'm not going to participate in it but i have other reasons not to reasons that might not apply to you if you want to emulate go for it man dude i could have emulated tears of the kingdom and i'd walk through is up day one didn't do it some channels might have but i didn't do it the point is emulate if you want i'm here to judge you but nintendo is gonna judge you nintendo is gonna think you're the scum of earth granted a lot of people think nintendo is the scum of earth i don't know nintendo by the way nintendo is not our friends no so no but i do have one piece of advice for nintendo you'll want to stop the emulation have access to your old libraries my god it won't stop it no it won't but it will sure as hell cut it down yeah maintaining access has been a bug a move for nintendo for a while they're doing a decent job now kind of building up their their online service but it's yeah it's my god it just i mean you have to have the console itself in order to play your old games and you know not everybody does so and people want to play these games so either a bring them back up the switch or have access online to them that'll stop i mean i'm not it's i'm not gonna say it's gonna stop emulation but it'll some people have noted that that even if because the consoles have this whole thing where um not it's not always easy to forward compatible things and blah blah blah uh and understand that generations are generations some games are just gonna be stuck in that generation but one thing nintendo could do and this is something i give a lot of credit to sony for start releasing your games on pc a year later if it's on pc then it's available forever and i think that would go a long way towards combating most of emulation because most of emulation happens on pc yeah so if you just make your games and you get extra sales and let's say you don't want to do it for a year because then to unlike sony nintendo's games are extremely evergreen so i get that maybe it wouldn't be a year let's say it's three four let's let's let's let's say it's when the next system's coming out so let's say nintendo announces a new system it's gonna launch day one of its launch sure we have our big thing we have the breath of the wild launches on pc it's an old game you're not going to make any more money off enough switch now you might make it off re-releases but hey maybe it's a dual release you release it back in 4k on the new system and in 4k on pc same like have some sort of timetable you think is reasonable and i think it's reasonable when a generation ends and you're starting the new one hey all those evergreen titles put them on pc man dude let's resell mario kart 8 deluxe instead 10 million copies on pc what the hell why not you want to charge 60 bucks for it again sure i mean that's not ideal we'd rather you not do that but i mean hey at least you made it available so that's just that's just the way i am i also want to put out one warning to our live chat is watching the live version no name calling of other people even if you don't like their choices please refer refrain from name calling we do not do that here we do not pick on others you can disagree with their choices without calling them names all right um moving on i guess we can get to our big topic should we yeah and i and i feel like this conversation would have been better if darin was here around this restart but uh they're not so maybe we revisit this in the future because what we can talk about though is like how many hours you got in the game uh should tell you should tell you how do i find that let's uh you go to a home home screen yep i mean your second home screen and go up to your profile image at the top profile and then uh over you go up to the all the way up to the top profile go over and i'll tell you right there 20 that's it so so air's got air's got at least 20 hours in the game all right so i'm i'm not like 80 right now like i said i'm not that far in but we this is a conversation we'll probably revisit when we have more guests on but is tears of the kingdom better than rest of the wild now for eric it's probably incomplete to even think about it like right now it's very samey because i've i haven't really ventured into the the um regions yet so i'm kind of just in the middle of hi so what we what we can focus on for you though beginning of game which is better oh i so we can't get in the dungeons and also stuff right right right you say that for another show but beginning i almost have to give it to breath of the wild because of that opening shot when you come out of that cave and all of a sudden you're just open open world hyrule it's absolutely insane um that gave me chills back when we saw that you know in back in LA um but man i think i have to give that to breath of the wild so i agree uh for different for a different reason though the opening shot's cool but i mean so is the opening shot tears the kingdom when you jump off i i i and plus i i enjoy when it comes to pure game openings just like that first 10 minutes dude tears of the kingdom man that opening sequence is one of the best opening sequences of any zelda game here's the kingdom one of the best opening sequences yeah that story segment link is fully decked out you're with zelda you're walking corridors ganondorf things going crazy you get wrecked zelda vanishes sword break like it is such an epic opening it is arguably one of the best openings i could argue to any game let alone to zelda i love that but again a lot of it isn't really gameplay right there is some you do get to control your character and you kill a couple keys yeah but it's a lot of it's not really like pure gameplay right but it's a really epic opening and they needed that opening to set up why link isn't so powerful anymore why his arm got wrecked etc etc so i do think tears of the kingdom has the better opening 10 minutes but man once you get to that opening tutorial area because every zelda game has one at breath of the wild is just way better that the great plateau is still to this day in my opinion the greatest tutorial area in gaming history the way it's set up the way it encourages you to naturally figure out everything you know just just everything yeah everything you need to know about breath of the wild happens on the great plateau and then the game obviously opens up after that uh that the great plateau is is such an amazing intro to a video game so like i have to give that to breath of the wild i don't think tears of the kingdom is better tears of the kingdom's opening area of the great sky island they're they're a great plateau it's not as big it's just not i actually did some comparison it's not even close it is it is minuscule compared to the great plateau uh there is arguably not as much to discover there's a there are a few things but it's really it's really not as much to discover um the some of the things that it teaches you example oh when you ascend through this thing you get up there oh link gets cold well if you've already played breath of the wild you already know now for new players maybe it still hits it maybe still slaps in that way but since we already got that experience in breath of the wild for me it's like okay no it's not gonna hit so fitting is we're both we're all people who have a lot of experience in breath of the wild so when we look at the tears of kingdom open and it comes from that perspective rather than looking at it as raw as breath of the wilds was so there is that there's an admitted bias because breath of the wild was first and that's what we experienced first so some of the new stuff that would be new for new players isn't new for us and i think that because i'm a breath of the wild player i probably didn't experience the great sky island the way they thought a lot of new players would which is experimenting with the new abilities i climbed all over the place man i climbed all over the place i jumped i climbed because that's what i did in breath of the wild and it turns out those breath of the wild jump climb everywhere mechanics yeah they still work so yeah it's like i didn't feel the need to like like build crazy contraptions to fly up to a new spot or heck um i actually failed at building um you know like there's that segment where you could build where you could build it with a hook and and it grinds on the ramp i actually failed and lost all my materials now the materials do eventually come back but they don't come back right away and i sat there like oh what am i going to do i climbed up the pole and shield surfed which by the way could do in breath of the wild so i'm like it's cool that i'm grinding right now that's great but also like this is a breath of the wild mechanic it just didn't have the same impact now is that tears of the kingdom is fault i don't think so i don't know that there's anything they could have done with that opening area to be significantly better than what it was for breath of the wild players because we can't just forget all that experience it's a direct sequel so i don't fault tears of the kingdom's opening area i just don't think it's as good as breath of the wilds now personal opinions this is not an objective statement it is a personal statement but as many people say the opening of tears of the kingdom or at least that opening sky island is one of the weakest parts of the game and i i can actually agree with that now that i've put 80 hours in uh shout out to bamal by the way for the gifted members heck yeah buddy um so you're down on high rule at this point i assume are you still messing around yeah you're down i'm not in the sky anymore yeah so so are you only i know you did a few sky towers what what regions have you unlocked um i'll tell you instead of you it's kind of the middle middle uh middle obviously you have the first i assume you have the first region yep with uh the tower at uh lookout landing yes yep i have what is it four towers four towers now yeah i think so i have um that's a shrine that's shrine great great podcast lots of shrines yeah lots of shrines look out landing sky view tower uh sahara slow sky view tower i only have two only two towers two towers that seems weird i thought i had more so regions yeah three uh lindar boss sky view tower so i got kind of here i i think that's at the region quick because i don't know how the map works here again erics early in yeah you can see the whole names of the regions so you have central hyrule you have uh ferron region hyrule ridge with the tebantha frontier which is all one eight region okay all right yeah all right cool i think like three or four towers yeah yeah you're good you're good yeah and you got the linear wetlands region as well with cacti okay yeah so uh so you've explored a little bit at least how are we feeling about how those regions that you've been in compared to the last game like just under the stuff to do um i don't know at this point i mean i i feel very kind of again it's very similar um i wouldn't say there's more necessarily to do i wouldn't say there's less to do um right now it kind of feels like i'm in breath a while again which is amazing um but uh you know there are some nice um changes that they've made um kind of the the different gimmicks with the obviously with the building stuff is huge um haven't really built anything crazy yet um but i definitely watched videos on some of those crazy builds um but yeah no it's it's i like the the change in you know they did add some nice stuff with um i keep the puzzles where um the one guy's holding the sign and you gotta you gotta you gotta kind of help him with that i love those yulia hates them i love them i do too actually i think i do i have so much fun with them because yes guys you can make like a simple solution that will work for a bunch of them but it doesn't work and i have built some super complicated stupid just the stupidest contraptions ever to hold up one of those stupid signs my god and why yeah i still don't know what's the deal with this dude why does he love Hudson so much i don't even know he works for the damn guy i don't know let's go okay cool i met Hudson he's he's a neat guy thanks for the house buddy also what is this guy doing putting up signs in the middle of nowhere like some of them aren't even on the road what are we doing right some of them are just up on a random rock and like why why are you here we need Hudson we need Hudson signs every 10 feet in the game yes yes no so i like those those are interesting i may get sick of them as more and more come but so far i haven't um i am sick of the escort corak missions you're sick of them i'm sick of them already i did three i've done a few of them and i'm just i was done after three like this is so you're gonna start doing what other people do they're creating they're creating corak torture devices yep i'd like the slingshot ones those are fun they're just i mean maybe i should just find and build those slingshot ones so i can just launch it in the direction and call it good but yeah no i'm getting sick of those dude i punch them all the time now yeah you only uh used to get mad at me when she'd watch me play she'd be like yeah he wants his friend you can't be mean to him then she then she then she did like six of them and she's like oh yeah dude i just rock it and punch him yeah right right just get this over we get out of here i just want the corex he's expand my inventory you just oh i want to help my friend i need to get to my friend put some rockets on there buddy and right no get out of here nope i would agree on that one in the corex or jesus it the yeah so corex it's how we feeling why they weren't great in breath of the wild why i mean i don't know anyone that i shouldn't say that i do know a couple of people legitimately loved corex quest in in breath of the wild but it seemed to be a minority puzzles were were fun but it got very samey it got oh look i dropped this rock in a circle done i jumped off this bridge into a circle but now let's see now i i counter i counter one where i had to put two rocks to get a corex since i don't want yes now and from what i've actually read online too some of these puzzles are actually undoing corex puzzles from the wild so that's kind of that i do i will give i will give nintendo that one that is fun yeah it's a little funny but also some of them are the exact same puzzle in the exact same location no really yeah like there's like oh complete this rock circle here wait a second i remember doing this i look up i go i'm like going breath of the is the exact same corex like come on yeah well and then they added some yeah there's more corex in this game in the first game yeah why i do more corex seeds i should say yeah oh my gosh it's so yeah at that part corex it just they're they're nice to stumble across and and you know if i'm randomly picking up rocks hey look a corex or you know i'm randomly oh hey look there's a pinwheel let's go shoot the balloons and i'm gone you know something that takes you know either two seconds or you know is a nice puzzle those ones i like the other ones that the friends and i'm over with i'm over it but i've heard that like 45 of them and it's like okay why why well i mean because there's 1000 corex seeds so you need yeah you need that extra 100 yeah and it's two seeds for one of those quests right so i said am i not necessarily more corex but anyways right uh well i here here's like my thought on the corex stuff is i think they are probably better in some cases uh in tears of the kingdom like i out of all the corex things i've done i i do think that is it is better is i still don't find it enjoyable and i think that's the problem with me in the corex seeds and i know a lot of people go you could just not get them and i understand that the problem is they tied inventory expansion to it and in a game with breakable weapons in a game with weapon fusion in a game uh where you're fighting leox and and crazy linals and like you just sort of feel like while you don't need it you want the extra inventory right so because of that it kind of makes them somewhat essential and i talked about this before the game came out especially when i started getting heavy hits at corex seeds were coming back from the one trailer that looked like a corex seed quest i i sat there and i thought about this and i think i still think that could have did something with the corex that would have made sense it could have been for inventory expansion it's pretty simple have corex quests not seed quests but quests where you're doing something for the corex and have them spread throughout the world you have to find them sort of like the i need to get to my friend but every single one of those quests is unique completely different there's not any two that are the same so it's not oh we made it harder to get to your friend for this particular one no it's still the same basic concept you're just getting to my friend no have a completely unique corex quest corex related quest whether it's getting to a friend whether it's um you know trying to get a certain amount of things for that corex for the great deku tree or whether it is i don't even know you have to unite lost lovers or something and instead of it being finding a friend there's actually a multi-part quest to solving that one there's actually something similar to that in sonic frontiers by the way shout out to them for how they dealt with some of the quests for a similar mechanic and i think what they should have done then is instead of rewarding you with seeds the reward for each one of those corex quest is an inventory expansion right you just get an inventory so there's less of them but they're much more interesting right much more in grain have much more story behind them and you just get an inventory expansion for completing it so now you know corex are inventory expansion so i don't want to ignore them but also it's not a seed quest it's not some stupid pick up a rock and hope or dive into a hole and hope like you see it i that's what i would have done and i think that could have been an entire like extra thing in your quest log even you could have had like because you have your main quest you have your side quest you have your adventure quest you could have had your corex quest yeah and that would have been inventory quest that would have been really really cool no i agree they didn't do that so yeah no and don't get me wrong i loved the i loved it the friend quest the first like two times i did it i thought it was great i'm like cool they did something new and then they hit me again and again and again i'm like damn it they're gonna hit me with this dead horse again aren't they but you could have a hetsu dance so what about the hetsu dance yeah have a quest that involves hetsu maybe he gives you two inventory slots yeah or maybe he gives you one of each for doing his because he might have the most complicated quest or it gives you and you're rewarded with an entire one-minute dance routine yeah that would have been sick yeah maybe he's the final corex quest that unlocks at the end after you do all the others and then all the corex get together and do a big number that would have been cool here you go but but i mean that's also what the game did so um so i do think the corex quests are better than breath of the wilds but i mean look polishing a turd is still a turd overall it's really not it's better but it's not and still i wouldn't say enjoyable maybe like the first escort quest maybe the same but like it's really not enjoyable it's just too repetitive and that was a problem in breath of the wild there's still a problem in this game uh other aspects you know you mentioned that you know you're not really seeing much more to do so far yeah or feeling like there's more to do maybe i'm just not paying attention to other things i can do right now i'm just kind of i'm kind of just hitting stories side quests things like that yeah yeah so for me personally there's way more to do in this game and in tears of the kingdom of the breath of the wild like just way more everywhere so much going on one example i don't know if you noticed we have multiple main quests and yeah that wasn't the case in breath of the wild nope like you had to defeat gannon and then the line that led you to input alleged the dubai beast which ultimately just leads all back to defeat gannon right um but there's like five six main quests going on at any one time it's it's sick it's awesome uh obviously side adventurers separated from side quests they they clearly added a lot more now i want to eric hasn't really gone to the the underworld yet yep i've i've dabbled in it a little dabbled in it for like the camera thing or whatever but yep you know that that little beginning quest you guys can do for it but he hasn't really explored the depths or done anything crazy down there uh so he doesn't have that to add into his opinion now i think i've made this pretty clear when i i made a tweet on this last week and i said i don't care who wants to yell at me tears the kingdom's better than breath of the wild and i'm not gonna say this is recency bias i haven't even beat the game sometimes when you just know you know uh and i love breath of the wild it was my favorite game of all time it's not my second favorite game of all time but being 80 80 hours in my biggest takeaway when i compare these two games is breath of the wild feels like it was a tech demo for this game like that this was a beta or an alpha that had three years ago and tears of the kingdom is the end result now i've experienced a lot more i have done a lot more than you have uh so i know certain things that i don't want to want to get into and spoil you on stuff but i mean i've heard some things i mean the story is so much better right i mean this isn't even i don't even know that you could say this is amazing that i've seen are just absolutely phenomenal um for story wise um but uh i will say there are but guys it doesn't mean that breath of the wild doesn't have its moments i've yet to experience anything that gave me the feeling of eventide island the first time there hasn't been anything like that yet now there are some shrines that try to repeat a little bit of it but they're repetitive and there's multiple of them and it doesn't give the same impact it's really neat the first time but then like you know when you done four or five of them it's kind of like really run into enough shrines then apparently because i thought there's 152 of them i thought they're better than the breath of the wild okay well what's better about the shrines right now i don't think i've run across to see anyone yet okay so that's that's kind of why i think they're great because breath of the wild one of the biggest complaints i mean the breath of the combat shrines combat shrines oh god those got old so fast um you know some of the shrines were great um but you know they were repetitive there were sometimes four or five six of them um you know and i haven't run into that yet and i mean maybe i will maybe i won't i don't know from the way it's sounding i did will but so the only thing i'll say this i don't care if you spoil some shrines so hold on hold on so so here's the thing about the shrines i agree that they're better in this game uh well when i say so there's a a type of shrine you might never run into it it's like event island takes all your gear away i think it ran into one yeah so it takes all your gear away then it gives you a couple items and use ultra hand you can do robot things well whatever i think i've run into um so basically it's just clear all the constructs out and i want to say none of them are the same the way you tackle it is different every time so it's it that's why i said even with some of these repetitive style of shrines this isn't like the combat shrines in Breath of the Wild that were literally the same three levels of combat shrine every time the exact same on repeat that's what Breath of the Wild did for a bunch of shrines these shrines are actually even though this is a repetitive mechanic completely unique in the scenario that they present to try to solve and tackle uh defeating all the constructs so i will give the game that that these are a lot different a lot more varied in that way and so these shrines are way better than the combat shrine but they're clearly like the replacement for the combat shrines um and who knows they're probably a small team that had to come up with x number of them and i don't know how many there are but i've ran into several and they're neat but they're you know still sort of like almost almost like a randomizer like we have an idea and we're just gonna have it randomized every time but it's still the same idea i'd rather have that though oh yeah i'd rather than what's in Breath of the Wild yeah absolutely it's way better than the combat shrines so that's why i said like the shrines are better uh the only real criticism i've seen beyond that for the shrines and cheers of the kingdom is that almost all of them not all but almost all of them rely on a single ability oh ultra hand yep now ultra hand is an epically amazing one of a kind i don't really know how you would gonna miss this ability when when and is all the game comes out without it because right they're not gonna keep it but i mean there's only really two of the powers that you can really build shrines around because i mean fusing stuff to a weapon i mean how can you really do a hole onto that with within a shrine itself and build a shrine around that i'm sure there's ways but well you need hammers to break rocks yeah you know fusing you maybe you don't get arrows so you have to freeze some stuff and so you don't get items to throw so then you got a fuse a Liz alpha's tail to something to freeze yeah there's things that could have come up with but i haven't ran across them at trying it i mean the ultra hand is the most flexible well i mean it's it's infinitely flexible right you make taking on a glee ake a joke if you have the right parts yeah i haven't done it yet it's funny i watch all these guides like oh how to take out a flame glee ake and i'm watching them and i'm like that's cool you could also just build a giant laser mech and take it out in two seconds i mean i'm just yeah i'm just kind of i'm throwing out there that like you know i mean some of those laser chambers that i've seen ultra hand ultra has pretty yeah pretty opium it's it once you get some of the i don't want to even call them late game because it's all about how you explore but once you get like the cannons and the lasers that like and then you get like the thing that lets them turn uh they're so eric seen some of the crazy things that have been built out there well what makes a lot of it work is there's this one item you get that does nothing but homing turn it doesn't attack but clearly it's meant to attach the attacking stuff too it it's insane yeah i've i've run into one glee ake so far they kick my ass twice yep which one and i'm like uh lightning lightning i haven't faced the lightning one yet nice thank you my ass twice um yeah so yeah it was um i'm like cool i'm gonna avoid this for a little bit then i'm like okay let's go for it and it went oh whack you're dead oh okay fair enough yeah i will say things hit harder in this game yeah by far i think it's a more difficult game overall yeah for sure uh i see some people that are just fighting like normally because they're stupid easy to fight they are once you figure it out but until you figure it out it's like anything the lionel the silver lionel the infamous silver lionel was stupidly difficult until you figured it out and then it kind of became a joke every time same thing's with the glee ox it's not that they can't be mastered and simplified but usually the initial encounter is like oh shit it kicked my ass and it did it again and it just keeps taking around then there's an extra phases to the glee ake and like the first time you experienced it was like what the hell is going on if i said ice we are going to hit by a damn icicle and you're like why am i getting hit by an icicle what just happened so that come from so like yes it's easy when we're talking so many of us that are 80 100 100 200 hours in i think you might have forgot what it was like the first time you ran into a glee ake and it kicked your ass like i don't know anyone who ran into a glee ake the first time it didn't die or come very close to dying and only just one because of contrition because they didn't see one until they had 30 hearts or something crazy yeah um running out of arrows mid fight dude arrows man every time i think i have a lot like 300 400 arrows i don't know what happens but two hours later it feels like i have none and i'm down to like six maybe i'm just over using arrows i don't know but holy crud i i am always running out of arrows like all the time it is insane now maybe it's just because of the underground where you're shooting like the you know the light stuff but even then like you can attach one to a vehicle it's just i don't know what it is but i'm always running on arrows maybe it's because the fuse mechanic is so fun with arrows that you're using them maybe a bit more often or maybe you would have been like oh i'd sneak up and do a sneak strike or this and that and you're like no no no no i'm slow motion here i'm throwing some muddle buds in there i'm uh doing some other stuff i'm popping a puffs room with one yeah like for sure so a lot of it could just be like it's just so fun to use them in this game because of all of that that maybe people are just using arrows more than they used to but man yeah i know you could throw the seeds but here's the thing yep i don't run to the edge of the dark and then throw a seed no no if i'm in the light i'm like it's so much faster than throwing seeds like i know you can throw them but it is so much faster to just spin and shoot in the underwear it's so much faster it's so much faster no for sure um i will give breath of the wilds arrows like the effect arrows more credit than than this one it sucks that you have to fuse an arrow every time you want to use the fuse arrow that's a common complaint is that they didn't they didn't make an auto fuse feature uh that we would have to you know opt out of that they automatically selected previously fused one but you still have to do it like normal that that is a common complaint that people miss the elemental arrows just because you didn't have to fuse it every time and they by the way in the dlc it could be a dress where they just make it auto fuse unless you cancel into a different fuse which is totally fine there's super easy to do that so why they didn't do that is beyond me they should just like if i'm firing fire arrows using like the fire plant thing it should just automatically select that every time until i tell it not to but the or five minutes has passed because all of a sudden you're you're running around you forget when you wrap it right no for sure when it's within like the 30 seconds or whatever like too clearly using fire arrows right right yes no 100 yeah because i don't want to all of a sudden be 10 minutes later and i haven't fired my arrows in a while and all of a sudden i'm like oh crap i have a bomb error and i forgot i was like three feet from a cliff and i went oh crap i just blew myself up so very very well it's your choice to give up uh more arrows for that convenience it's not just a convenience it's also smart because if you think about how those light things work in the under underground if you run to the edge of the darkness and then throw one you're actually overlapping with the one you have and you're not taking full advantage of the thing you threw so when you're throwing those bright blooms i've actually at one point ran out of bright blooms under there happened to me only one time and like so it's just one of those things where yeah you might think it's more fun to do it the way you're doing but also you're not actually doing it in the most efficient way so maybe for you that creates an era of fun for me i have gotten in the underground and gotten completely frustrated at one point now it had to do with a certain quest i was doing less a lesson with the underground it's up on a quest i was doing that was infinitely just really frustrating in the underground because it didn't really my brain couldn't wrap my mind around the better way to do it because nothing else in the game really worked that way now a few other things have worked that way since i've done that quest but it might have just been a breath of the wild mindset i'm not sure but i got really frustrated now in hindsight i now know my brain just wasn't thinking about it in the correct way and i would have been a lot less frustrated but it's it's it's whatever but i mean in my mind this game is so much better than breath of the wild it's not even really a competition for me yeah you'll never be able to replace the impact and the the awe factor of the first big 3d open world zelda game of all time and and the 30 million in sales the the switch launch the hype it's really hard to replicate that but just from a game perspective i i fail to see while there are certain things i like in breath of the wild more of course there is it's my second favorite game of all time there's things i like in my third favorite game of all time secret amana better than both of these games hello magic hello parties how like there's so many things i like better in secret amana than these two games but there's a lot of things i like in these two games better than secret amana so it's an interesting thing to think about like yeah there's always gonna be aspects of breath of the wild i like more but tears of the kingdom just does so much better and i don't know if it's the combination of the sky the ground like i think they've changed a ton on the ground um but also i'm getting knee deep in every side quest every side adventure like you went to kakariko did you do all the quests in kakariko before you left um i think so okay i think so did you find all the stone slabs yeah okay that that one that one pissed me off oh god the one for the top ring not even being at the top ring yeah that pissed me off yeah the floating ring yeah yeah no i'm just pissed off about it that's the floating ring is i'm just stupidly annoying if i didn't lay into the damn thing don't pull me down airspace i just knew it was airspace didn't you see you were like in like space space jumping off an island no it was the transition so it was transitioning from the music was transitioning from the sky to the ground but because i transitioned into being above ground and probably still like three miles above that stupid floating ring hey get down here well i guess it's a quick way down way to get to the ground wasn't where i was planning to go but all right whatever yeah that part pissed me off a little bit they could have put a ceiling on that or i mean there is it's just very high or make it so if you actually just land on it then you can get pulled back yeah you know it's funny the first time that they did it to me because they say oh don't go up there's all this i know so of course i'm gonna try to go right no for sure i almost i almost landed on the platform on the floating ring before he got mad at me i was like so the closer i am to you though i'm like can i trick you to not even know i'm here right wait what am i discovering like a glitch here so like if i if i come at you from far away oh no no no but you know if i climb up right in this right on this edge or probably where you get mad and i go over here and it looks like i'm not going towards it then i'm like i'm gonna jump here and just land i almost i swear i almost made it um but anyways bam i'm up with another five gifted right that's the second five nice man thank you so much so the hard part about having this conversation and not having our our usual team here is obviously like i know andres restart beat the game last night beat the main story i you know it's hard to say beat the game because he he even said like as soon as he beat the game he just kept playing because there was so much he hasn't done so even when you say you beat the game you really just mean i saw the credits because i beat the main story um i haven't beat the main story yet so i can't even go into the full breath of the story but everything i've experienced in the story so far is so much better than everything in breath of the wild i can already tell you right now it's a better story than breath of the wilds uh just much more engaging much more going on and their story told through quests and story told through memories again i know some people don't like the memory thing but then the memories aren't yours that's what i like about it that's the big difference like you're oh i'm getting my memories but no no no no no you're actually finding a it's so hard to talk about all that for sure because there's a me like i've done all the dragon tears and like the end of the dragon tears is such like an epic moment and i'm i i'm gonna ruin the tears that are in the the glyphs yes yeah i know i've gotten a few of those yes yes so that it yeah to answer your question from earlier yes yes i know what the dragon tears are yes i have a few yes did you do the first one like you were supposed to with imba or did you just find no no i i just imba sort of like tells you which one to go to next but then like when you're exploring you just kind of yeah i wish that was i wish they would actually mark the money a freaking map i know there's a map there but and take a picture of it did you take a picture no i didn't take a picture why would i take a picture i'm just saying it was a complaint of mine but also the game did actually put you in position and basically told you to take a picture it pretty much yeah it showed the map of the glyphs the order of the glyphs is there and basically tells you to take a damn picture i know but i now i have an excuse i hadn't unlocked the camera yet so i couldn't take a picture so i and this is what happens with the overall game do anything you want didn't even know there was a quest to get the camera had no idea literally as soon as i got the paraglider i just started exploring didn't even realize oh go to the underworld no clue man i already explored a bunch of the underworld before i even got a quest into the underworld what are we talking about so yes i had no idea thanks robbie and julia's mad at robbie right now too she wants robbie to go somewhere else so she could unlock another ability but robbie won't leave and you can't figure out why and i'm like well you haven't completed this thing for her i can already tell like you haven't done this thing not for her but for this joe z or whatever her name is uh yeah i'm like you haven't completed this thing for her i can tell because i haven't completed you don't and she's and she sat there and she said well well and then i'm like what was the quest for that i looked through her quest log and i'm like you know i'm watching she talks to her i look through her quest i'm like i don't think you have the quest oh shit oh um is this i think i might be in the i think i might be in that same situation is this bugged out you know like i haven't seen that many bugs in the game but maybe i didn't happen to me but also i did that like before the last couple of updates so uh we have a five dollar super chat in here from samuel a i'm thinking so much says how do you suspect here's the kingdom dlc will be handled maybe large in scale late 2024 separate map terminal uh eric what do you think i don't know i don't even know how they were like it's hard to talk about story for dlc because we haven't completed the story right i didn't know where you would go with dlc i mean adding more sky islands well what did they do last time they didn't really add more they added the the master cycle yeah where they took an area of the map took it over put some more new shrines uh into that unbreakable or the one hit weapon thing but you also get one shot it um and that was neat and then they let that led to a longer quest going to the back to the divine beast and solving a thing out there to then relive the memories of the champions and relive their fight yada yada yada um so that was neat uh but we don't really have that this time around like dlc why is like do we go back in time and get to be zelda i'm just saying i'm just saying people would buy the piss out of that dlc if we could be zelda go back with raaru and sonia like dude i mean or you just kind of you play the game from her position like you know you get sucked that you fall down into the hole at the beginning just add a whole new game yeah play everything zelda related you just you follow the story of zelda on her side why not yeah hell yeah they have the joey cj and remind everyone the cast has to come back yeah i haven't seen cast i've seen some references to cast i haven't seen them in the game uh it would be neat if he came back during a dlc but he was saved for dlc maybe specifically uh maybe he's off adventuring somewhere else and comes back uh and maybe him coming back brings a whole new land or a whole new skyland a whole new something a whole new world like making that more skylands in dlc that can be done there's still a lot of room up there for more skylands i'm actually surprised there isn't more skylands than there is uh that's one thing that maybe if i say i'm a little disappointed is that there wasn't more skylands oh then again there's so much in this game like is it a complaint there's not more that just okay more dlc maybe let's go you know um there's a side quest with beetle that's awesome i know you probably haven't done it yet no but the fact that they took our traveling our traveling uh merchant and created a side quest with him is awesome and i'm sorry there was someone on twitter that tried to say alana pierce the alana pierce thing she dressed up as beetle oh um and she's like oh well you uh you know you're why would you do uh do a cosplay this obscure character instead of like para or blah blah and then the person later says i haven't even played the game but for i've seen all the cut scenes it's like okay so yeah you're living vicariously through youtube cut scenes and probably a bunch of tiktoks based on his twitter account i said that i'm like beetle is not oh my gosh beetle dude ask any just say beetle to any zelda fan and they know who you're talking about that means he's not obscure we all know who beetle is he's been vitally important in several games and yeah now he's even more important to his kingdom because he has a quest connected to him nice like oh man i got it dlc brings in skyloft and and loft wings i don't know how they would do it or what they would do with it but maybe this guy wants form back together and create skyloft that would be nice i i don't know that would be nice um as for like when they would bring on dlc i i think the reason we don't know about it isn't because there won't be some of the games too big they're gonna have dlc uh i think they probably even started working on the dlc last year even because you know they said that you're polishing that probably wasn't the entire team so i do think that there will be dlc i think they're waiting on the new system i think yeah i i think they think if they could use dlc to help push a new system combined with a new mario game or something they want to kind of double whammy that momentum over as much as they can now that doesn't mean you won't get the dlc here on switch but i think included in that dlc is going to be the included upgrade pack for automatic upgrade pack for the new system there'll be enough content without that but otherwise you'd have to pay like an extra fee to probably upgrade or something if you want like the 4k texture pack or something um that would do it um and then uh charles drudell put the robby cannot move out before the first dungeon that would do it julia's got two dungeons down so that won't do it that that that's not yeah there is a question in the depths you need to complete before robbie will leave that's what gets robbie to leave i think unfortunately julia doesn't have the quest and the person that gives you the quest isn't given it i don't know what's going on i literally don't i don't know what happened i don't know if it bugged out i i don't know i i literally don't know i went through all the requests like where is this thing i even looked it up online i'm like oh yeah yeah this is the chain doesn't have it i i i would like here's the people here's where it starts here's where it goes did you abandon like no it's just i don't know what's going on because i think because she got she wants the shrine sensor right she wants right which i get she wants but you have to complete this to get robbie to move so you can get the shrine sensor and so like no i think i think um um i may be in that same thing too because i i turned in the picture um and then um and then it just she just says she's so let me know if there's more information and that's it i keep talking to her that's it so yeah um some people are saying that the latest patch might have fixed it yeah that's fine that's very well possible too you guys all know i've said this very openly julia is duplicating like a whore just you know like done she she can't she can't she just loves it literally it's like her i think she spends more time duplicating than doing anything else in the game i swear nice i swear so like getting her to update her game and giving up the easy duplication glitch i know there's more but they're not nearly as useful as the old ones getting her to update is going to be very difficult yeah and that's there's another duplication glitch that come that's going to be very difficult and then there are other duplication glitches they're just not as good no or as easy as convenient right no no for sure if there's another one that's semi easy and convenient that duplicates same one she'll update to that and then once that patch is you know so so varum very mentioned like getting more than 10k is useful so i'm gonna tell you something right now this is just i've watched julia play the game right um she at one point had like 150 something thousand rupees she somehow got down to only 4 000 left i don't want to sit here and tell you that uh that you don't need more than 10 000 rupees there are so many things in this game that you could spend rupees on and lose out on rupees pretty quick i mean you can buy a whole yeah yeah i know she has to get an order bill i'm well aware what the question is because i did it um but here's the thing i did it without having to have that latest patch because it happened a long time ago but again it's a known bug so um recalls very handy too some people said yeah so like there's just a lot of that um uh you know 10 000 noodles says that there's new dupes that just as easy uh if she can't live without it they're not as easy i did so so all the new duplication methods for patch 1.1.2 even the one that helps you rapid uh dup without having to reset the game okay still involves extra steps where you have to take the things and you have to infuse them and unfortunately that is not as easy as paraglider grab items yb paraglider grab items yb paraglider grab items yb paraglider grab items yb paraglider grab items yb paraglider grab items yb and there's extra steps oh and then you have to have timing with the electrocution thing this like it's just pressed the button at the same time it's how it's like everyone can do it my daughter did it like it's stupidly easy now you might go well this is easy but there's extra steps it's not as there's nothing so far as convenient as the og duplication glitches there just isn't that's just reality now i don't care that much about the duplication glitches personally but i also sometimes look at her rupees and look at mine with my my 700 and i cry a little when i can't buy anything that i need um i never have diamonds for like the the quest you get to rebuild the og weapons from the champions never have the diamonds for those um you know i'm not gonna lie it's a little sad i i think one uh one point about this game uh that i think favors duplication glitches and why i think people like them so much one thing is once you've explored the game or explored major sections of the game it's obviously not quite as fun to explore the same section again so when you're going to say i need to get a bunch of bomb flowers i need to get a bunch of muddlebloods if you're just doing the same thing over and over to farm them it gets old that's why it's called farming it's tedious so for a lot of people it's not that the duplication glitch is about gathering rupees although people literally do that it's just about saving some of the tedium that existing gaming that nobody really enjoys that much people don't like farming for materials it's generally not considered a fun thing to do um people that are dedicated to it especially in multiplayer games obviously get to reap the benefits of selling on auction houses and yada yada yada but it is very tedious and there's a reason that bots are often made to take care of it in many games because it's just not fun it's not a fun aspect of games but it's hard to come up with a better way to handle getting materials because if you don't have it that way it becomes too easy and then materials become pointless now duplication can make materials pointless but then you're actively using these materials all the time right so like my whole thing has always been i don't care if people with duplication glitch it's fine my fiance does it if i cared then i'll suddenly be mad at her all the time and that's stupid no but also i get why they do it i get why she does it yeah because like farming for mattress isn't fun that being said some people probably do like it i've been playing rpg video games for 25 plus years and let me tell you i have farmed more materials than i care to admit to oh no 100 to the point that you have farming materials isn't really that fun running around grabbing things breaking rocks all the time doing repetitive stuff over and over isn't always fun but some people probably like it oh i'm sure i don't know now what would be actually kind of fun is at your house you have a true farm where you plant one thing and it just auto duplicates across your your farm and some games do that yeah and you can build like factories that will farm certain materials right in some games right so it would have been cool if they would like if you want mushrooms or bright blooms you can plant one and it would just grow in your field and then you can come back within let's say three minutes and you could pick up their whole field and you can then plant your next thing and then again three minutes come back through you know so it gives you something that you could plant go do something come back and all of a sudden you have a nice spot of you know things you don't have to you don't have to actively farm you can passively farm yeah actually farm anyways the point is that i think in general the game is better it's it's hard to have a deeper conversation because i don't want to spoil anything for eric but i i do i you know eric like what are your thoughts to this point do you think they're like the same breath about the better tears kingdom better i like tears the kingdom better um why the shrines are better it's just the powers themselves are what's your favorite shrine you've done so far the one that used the the rail carts that one was fun um i don't know which one it is but the name of it but i know there is one that you kind of you know built your own kind of you had to you know build your own kind of cart that went along the rails and then all of a sudden you made a big giant loop back around and yeah so that one that one was fun so it was trying to figure out how to keep your your it wasn't actually necessarily a cart itself but they gave you a whole bunch of flat platforms that you could then build something to you know go on these rails um so to try to figure out how because of obviously you're making a corner well if your thing slides at the one side you're gone so it's kind of like well obviously just put a mental fin in but it was still fun to to try to you know figure that out make sure that you still didn't have you know enough space in there where it could you know slide to one side and all of a sudden you're not lighting up in the transfer of the track type of thing so it it just and then i just did the one literally just did the one where um you it was building bridges that one was that one was kind of cool um so um yeah no i just they are i mean don't get me wrong breath of the wild had some some very very nice dungeon or uh shrines but i haven't run in anything that's been duplicate so far so that's again that's again so far yeah i i i built a lot more shrines down i have not ran into any shrine that's literally exactly the same yes so just those similar concept ones where they take away all your gear right but it's still not exactly the same i think the as much as i did like the other powers i think the powers that you have in tears of the kingdom are a little bit more um god what's the word i'm looking for a little bit more free free to use and and um they're insane yeah i mean you can do just so much more with them they're they're kind of a plus on the other like ultra hand to make nieces but then it's also so much right more powerful yeah and then recall man recall i wish there was a option of either recall or stasis where you can either freeze it or send it back i that one that one i could see where um and i'm guessing it maybe um no um no there's there's no way to use like stasis that part i can i could see where that one would be useful um but um it's not still not really like stasis the way i was thinking of it okay it's i saw the puzzle similar to it the way i would have solved it with stasis but it's still basically i had to drop a ball into a certain spot um it was a giant jenga tower cap um but the point is you're gonna knock the tower down that's not the point you gotta get the ball from the jenga tower into a hole and if it falls it's gonna go down an endless bit okay so like um wait you what i what how i solved it was um uh basically trying to get the jenga pieces to tilt the tower in a way that would make the ball uh fall closer to me and then i'd walk to the edge and i'd hit recall to bring the ball back up and then i brought it back up to a certain point and you know like on stasis you might stop something from moving and then let go of it so it falls straight down i let go of it and instead of it continuing the arc it was on with the momentum it had originally it actually fell straight down which i quickly caught it with ultra hand to go then put it in the hole and i said that i'm like that i would have did something similar with stasis like that i would have tried to stop it mid-fall to make to change the trajectory so then i could grab it and i kind of did that except i brought the ball back up and then i manually stopped it before it got back from the top where i thought it'd be an easy spot for me to grab it then it just fell straight down that it's very similar to how i would have used stasis uh so there is some things you can do or like that but obviously the general point of stasis was you could stop something hit it in a direction and change the momentum have a go nuts um and people have used the hell out of stasis people have used the hell out of these abilities as well but i think recall is actually an unsung ability in the game because it's significantly more useful i think than a lot of the players realize because you need to play around with it more i mean you even saw hey ultra hand plus recall equals stick breaks hynox you saw that that one first hand with the flying adult part in the air that took out the hynox yes that was a combination of ultra hand and recall they made that work um and recalls just got so many amazing uses that i just don't think i always knew ultra hand was going to be like a favorite and fuse was going to be a favorite those are the two most obvious favorite abilities but recall is so amazing people just i don't think i've hit that point that they're experimenting enough with it because you can do so much of the game without it yeah no there's that um i always forget some i sometimes forget that i have a send not gonna lie also to be like oh no sorry i do you remember when you're in caves at least not so much anymore i i forgot once you got once on the cave yeah oh no i was down in the middle of the middle of a well because there's some long there's some super long ones too that are i was down in the middle of a well the bottom of the well and i'm like how in the hell i'm gonna get back up it's wet it's i can't climb what the hell am i doing oh teleport whatever it was the end of the it was the end of the well anyways so i'm installing it in here teleported oh i know i'm surprised you didn't attach on do you have rockets attached to your shield you're gonna try to rocket boost it out i suppose no but um no but uh officer was like i don't know what the hell made me thought of thinking that the next day i was like oh oh that's what that's what they put us it said it in the dev interview bad tracking sucks so we we kept doing it in dev we said why don't we make it an ability yeah ascend is awesome yeah no i forgot it one dude you can combine ultra hand with ascend and recall to cheese so many of the shrines like you might go oh well this isn't that fun but it the way you have to do it is just like it's like you're playing 40 chess like you're out thinking the mechanics of the shrine and it's it's all dude it's crazy i i've only i've only had one shrine where i felt like i pulled off a 40 chess move where i used all three abilities which clearly you could tell by looking at it this is not the intended solution and i just cheese the hell out of this and this was sweet and now i'm at where i need to be in the shrines over um it and it turns out you can do that in a lot of the shrines you just have to wrap your mind around that that's the biggest thing with these abilities is i think compared to breath of the wild these abilities are more inventive but because they're more inventive remember a phrase alnuma kept putting out there before the game came out use your imagination the limitations are your imagination which sucks for me because i have a shitty imagination that's the problem these abilities are so free and so crazy even ascend but there's even crazy things you can do a fuse and recall i don't even want to get into that it's hard for people who don't have who can't think outside the box you can by the way beat the game without thinking outside the box but it's the game really opens up once your imagination can once you start understanding the possibilities because really nothing is impossible right now other than there's limitations to how many things you can stick together um and some of that might have been for frame rate reasons or something but uh i personally want to know if there's a glitch that exists that i can stick unlimited things together because that's what i need to to build my ultimate floating castle that i want to do to take on ganondorf at the end i want to approach him with a floating castle floating castle on floating castle action let's go um i can't do it i i can make a floating keep i can't make a floating castle because i it just i've tried some clever things unfortunately the weight of items um is is heightened when it's not glued so it just makes it really hard to do so uh a 20 item limitation sucks i want a glitch that lets me glue unlimited i can glue unlimited dude i'm gonna you want to know what this castle is going to be i i literally drew it out the remember when we used to draw things out for strategies and games i drew out how i want my castle to be and i found out that i need like 47 fuses so like we're i need a glitch that gives me unlimited fuses or not fuses unlimited ultra hand yeah glues um but nice well what are you gonna do what are you gonna do um but yeah recalls all these abilities are awesome uh and and i just i think that i think that's maybe one aspect where some people might have more fun with the game than others some might get frustrated because they don't have imagination and they like i'm at the bottom of the well what i gotta teleport out every time this is stupid but but yeah but people that can't really think outside the box go yeah i'm just not very like i can't see something to build it like i can build myself a yeah imagining the solution i can build some crazy thing right to get that solution yeah like this is what makes me so fun with the sign stuff trying to make the yeah i look at it i glance at the land i look at it and i go oh i know this will be simple this will be easy and then when it's not and then i start going okay so let me go back to my original design how can i tweak this what could i okay why did it why did the sign fall that way that didn't make any sense okay well maybe it did because maybe the angle was off and i didn't consider when it dropped because you know some of them are going to tilt that tilt based on the tilt of the point that he's on actually if you look at the physics it makes sense that it maybe it went this way so then i put this beam here but then when i did that i didn't have a solid enough base on my whole structure so my structure moved a bit which knocks it the other way oh and then there's the time when it's completely standing up and he gets mad at me because it's leaning just a degree too far yeah a degree too far i'm like dude i've seen i've seen some of the times man that i held that sign up perfectly straight and he said oh thanks for holding it and then he nails it down and then it's crooked anyways so i don't want to hear that i'm gonna degree y'all if that sign is standing and that post is on the ground hammer it down because you're going crooked anyways right here you go like hey this game man yeah it's it's insane i love tears of the kingdom i have criticism i brought a few up during the show but it to me is it it it just takes breath of the wild and cranks it to infinity and the big question i suppose is what's next and i don't think we can talk about the head till we complete the game yeah um at least the main story so we maybe get more into that but so what's your what's your favorite aspect of the game so far is it just the shrines the abilities um for me it might even be the world building yeah i mean like the way that they take stuff that we're familiar with but all of a sudden it's different like have you done the have you done one of the raft quests yeah we're like you have to build a raft to take a guy up the river no oh man no it's such a unique like quest that takes an old situation and then refreshes it with a new way of thinking and then when you get to the end it's in an area of the old map that's completely changed because of zelda it's awesome some of you guys know what i'm talking about i'm sure um so it's like a really nice payoff at the end to people who want to see changes in the world this is like a significant change in the world um for that small area so yeah man uh i think if i'm so sorry what was one of your favorite things um or your favorite your absolute top favorite thing about the game i mean i have a link in the shrines um and you've brought enough the shrines a lot i think the yeah the caves are kind of cool um the wells are kind of yeah um i just have you been to hattano yet no i don't think so yet oh but oh you're gonna love hattano yeah um hattano is awesome i just completed a quest where i had to go into three different caves to kill three different hynox um so i haven't done that one yet yeah so i just think i saw yulia do that one um so that was that was kind of cool um although i was kind of confused as to how some of these looked like they were almost down in the depths i was like whoa but they're not um um yeah no it there's it's hard to pick one thing because it is just different that it's it makes things god it it's different but it feels the same i don't know how to explain it in my in my yeah are you ever bored no no not really and that's the thing with this game just having fun my favorite thing about tears of the kingdom is i'm never left not having something to do oh yeah the boobah frogs feeling bored the boobah frogs are even the boobah frogs that you you find them you get them you get your little bubble jib i still don't even know what the hell are you sure what are these well i've got like 20 of them and you know what when i find out what other four i think yulia tried telling me because she's figured it out but let's say yulia look as i have 80 hours in the game i won't be surprised if yulia's a 140 man she just she when i'm working she's playing so like it's just uh it's just how it goes but yeah i'm i'm just this game there's so many things to say about it you know we've had a lot of developers out there triple a developers praising the game a lot of it for just its mechanics and how it works uh and how all the physics and all these abilities just work flawlessly without breaking and causing bugs like one thing i think sometimes gamers we take advantage or we take uh for granted is when things just work because we expect them to but that's not actually how most games happen like the physics engine in combination with these abilities is so impressive in this game because it is unlike any other game like people said oh we've been able to build things before nuts and bolts yeah nuts and bolts you can't do most of the stuff you do in this game why because it breaks the game it just fundamentally breaks the game uh it's very very difficult to do a lot of the things this game is doing and while us as gamers are just expected now because this zelda team is just incredible i mean i think at this point this present zelda team as constructed with onuma at the top huji baashi is the director all the people under them uh the team from monolith soft that helps them out has i think at this point established themselves as one of the absolute premier development teams in all of gaming um it might be the premier development team in all of nintendo at this point and that's saying something considering mario odyssey considering animal crossing and the success of mario kart and a lot of other luigi's mansion three etc like but something about this zelda team has made it like the envy of the whole industry to have a game this large and doing so many things to have it be as little buggy as it is right now is almost unheard of nowadays you get the big massive games that just come out and they're just giant bugs yeah and it's it's annoying as hell and you know what nintendo is not free of this either so the 4.0 update just released first platoon 3 and i'm i'm super excited to dive into some of that stuff the bug list fix is literally five pages in marco software that's how many bugs 4.0 fix it it's like now look i haven't ran into most of these bugs or knew they even were bugs but they were bugs and a lot of like pro players were noticing and taking advantage or this and that and i'm just like holy crap that's a lot of bugs you see the patch notes for uh for cheers give us probably isn't a version 4.0 i might never get to version 4.0 oh yeah we fixed the quest and uh some minor performance so minor some minor so we fixed the quest and did some minor performance upgrades have a good day like like what where's all the bug fix it like and the thing is i'm not even hearing people complain about like i'm not even hearing about bugs right right to be fair though to not every game that's this large also gets a year to completely polish things they should they should all games should get a year to polish in my opinion right all of them but every single one of them but they don't they should they should i agree why not i know deadlines money okay but if you could polish and get more sales why wouldn't you those sales aren't guaranteed i understand but if you believe in your product i guarantee you a like you don't think the next elden ring or whatever that whatever ip they do isn't gonna get time the firm software isn't gonna give the time to polish yeah i mean that's why some of that's why some of these development teams are the elite of the elite no for sure like look how much time rocks like like uh rockstar gets to make like um you know their their next gta game or when they did red never never too how much time does it like the elite of the elite do care and do take the time and do reap the sales benefits of it right so i don't know why the rest of the industry hasn't caught on to be like yeah maybe it takes eight years to make a game 10 years to make a game but when that game comes out it outsells all the other games you released in the meantime combined right by that same team especially with how how some of these are so highly anticipated and then they come out they're just so i mean to the point where they're almost game breaking bugs redfall and you just can't play them for spoken that it's just terrible for pokemon scarlet mylet yeah i mean for sure it's an example from all three substances it's like games that needed more time it didn't get it and now you gotta worry like oh we're spoken to them is the next assassin's creed mirage oh they gave it time with it they give it enough time like yeah we expect the call of duty and the madden's of the world to have their wrong with matt i mean madden's inexcusable call of duty is not nearly as broken as madden madden's inexcusable nfl needs to cancel that license tomorrow or at least cancel the exclusivity clause unless someone else come in right but oh that would cause ye to fix some shit no i know because they have competition right now that madden was good when they had competition yeah um yeah yeah i i think that the what this team did was zelda is obviously special i mean it makes them one of the premier teams impressive um they already were after breath of the wild and we could argue the zelda team's always been really good yeah i'm not knocking skyward sword win waker twilight princess um only between worlds etc so like i'm not i'm not knocking all these games are amazing i love the zelda franchise but when you become a premiere team it's not just about releasing games i get really well reviewed it's also about releasing games that are really well reviewed and get the sales to back it up and zelda's never really been able to do that zelda's always been sort of a it sells good enough good enough to get another but it doesn't really feel like it sells what it should for the review ratings it gets breath of the wild changed the game with that tears of the kingdom continued to change the game with that so now they're getting the sales recognition to back up their efforts as a development team that validates how amazing the development team really is you're getting the praise from all the outside developers the same developers and we're also praising things like elden ring uh so it's crazy like it might be another dare i say six seven years before we get another zelda game just because no i'm not by the way let's talk about remasters and remakes i'm not talking about a new top down zelda that grezzo might be working on this zelda team as constructed it could be another six or seven years before we get another zelda effort and attention to detail that they put into the games and the sales justify them taking no one hundred percent yeah really rushing out two other zelda games of lesser quality with old school stylings not open world yeah uh will not combine to sell better than the game that they spend the time six or seven years to make for sure not at all i mean that's reality i like that's that's what's like we waited over six years for this one i mean guys is good to probably be another five six years for the next at least maybe seven yeah because they're going to be working on new hardware granted they probably would already be working on new hardware right now behind the scenes because they didn't have to know their next zelda games are coming out on this hardware right so that they would already hope you assume that the internal nintendo teams have dev units so they would be working on you know the next hardware already for the new zelda game but yeah man yeah it's like i even thinking about that god i might be my mid 40s let's have the next major zelda game from this zelda team i'll be hitting my 40 yeah screw you oh god i'm only a year younger new shut up give her crap yeah give her crap yeah are you yeah young in well just i don't even know if you'll be 40 so nope not six years no because i don't want to be 41 no she won't be should be 38 yeah i'll be 41 and six years so i did get myself a younger woman yeah reason for that yeah um all right well we don't really have anything else on the docket uh what we can do is open the floor uh to the chat since it's just a little two-person podcast no idea what happened the day already probably gave up when played here's the kingdom instead this pc was this pc was having problems i don't know he's got to figure it out for next week uh so let's open it up to the floor and and we can take some questions uh from the chat so just at nintendo prime in the chat uh if you want to bring anything forward for this show uh we'll give you guys maybe 20 30 minutes at the most year uh we'll see what uh what discussions come of it until we get some questions coming in uh are there any video games you're looking forward to next for any of the platforms plucky squire the 100 looking forward to that it yeah it just from the first freaking trailer and on the next trailer yeah even better yes yes plucky squire looks like it might deliver plucky squire looks like it might looks looks like it hopefully delivers yes but damn um so samuel a says what do you think yeah well we can feature the question here so people are talking about what do you think the next zelda uh what do you think is the next for zelda to fill in the time between now and the next mainline game probably some sort of i mean you got to have some sort of remakes i mean the win maker in trial and princess hd yeah makes sense i i think they instead of them being hd they'll be 4k on the new system yeah um so like those are like the obvious ones the question is do they ever get to the point that they remake to something like accurate of time um i know they did the 3d version but then they do they ever do it in hd that that that's something that we don't know and that's a bigger undertaking uh do they ever links awakening ask remake you know into the past or something like that probably i mean gressel is doing something yeah it's like we're going to get remakes and remasters in between for sure i fully expect probably another hyrule warriors maybe even uh i mean age of calamity was their best selling one i think ever yeah so why won't they go back to that well yeah i mean where do you think they do you think they bring the oracles um up a lot of people want them where would they put it would they bring in the oracles and minnish cap a lot of people want them i mean they could obviously add them to nso right but but just in terms of like could they make it a fresh game could they do a three-pack game but i mean technically the minnish cap's not really related to the oracle games so now the oracle games are supposed to have a third game but i mean that never happened so um yeah i don't know i mean it's gonna be remakes and remasters that's really what the what they're probably gonna focus on next i would love there to be a brand new top-down traditional style zellie game and the grezzo team but uh we technically don't know also there was some leaks a while back about a mobile zelda thing in the works interesting that technically hasn't had an update in a long time now there being a mobile game for zelda isn't should be too surprised we have for mario amel crossing um you know flyer amelon so like there being eventually being a zelda one shouldn't be a shocker i'm curious what it's going to be so that that that has piqued my curiosity just trying to figure out what uh there could possibly be on the mobile space because i i have a phone i'll download it like i did um and then uh samba said i'd just be my first leoctor indeed just as hard as the original legend of zelda version so you're saying that as like the original zelda version was easy or hard i don't know how what it was for you samma some people think the original is easy some people think it's hard so like yeah it's really subjective right so it has to be in the context of your experience uh ventos wants to know if you're gonna do a spoiler of the discussion when you finish the story they got uh thoughts and opinions that they need to express somewhere okay uh i've had a lot of people ask me when we're going to do with some sort of spoiler cast and it will clearly be marked obviously i'm not doing until i beat the story once i beat the story okay that's probably when i have to start but the problem for me is eric yeah now i could just schedule something and disclude eric from the whole conversation and that's fine i could i get fine too yeah um is what it is because i don't want eric to feel he's pressured now to have to bum rush the game i want him to play it the way that he would play a game because that's how i'm playing it that's why i haven't beat the story could i have beaten the story by now absolutely but but but i'm not rushing to do that um part of me feels like i should but i'm i'm not going to so when will that be i mean i would like to say by the end of june or you know at some point but i don't know um but there are a lot of things to discuss that aren't being discussed because people aren't doing spoiler cast uh so i do think we will have one and i'll obviously have me on and i'll just restart uh maybe i'll get some others all the youtubers i will see um i'm sure i know nick barrett beat the game he's gonna want to really go in depth on stuff so uh we'll see darren i know for sure my god the guy right all he does he's literally texting me spoilers what an asset i'm like have you done this well thanks for telling me that's the thing you can do didn't even know nope darren no i did stop talking to me about zelda till i tell you i beat the game man right all right if you're watching darren stop telling me things until i tell you i beat the game right um but yeah uh that's just that's just the way something goes um you know boo one game he said how about a link to the past remake yeah obviously uh oh this is cool yeah this is new oh yeah that is me um well that'll be useful in the future when i get lost oh yeah um anyways yeah guys we're not getting a ton of questions coming in which is which is totally fine um dressy jay says the original because he tears the tears the kingdom like his revenge some people struggle with everything in the original zelda because you know you're you're so limited in your movements and the enemies hit kind of hard but uh you know if you grew up playing the game then you know that's just the way the games games were back then like games back on the nest were unforgiving so it might not really feel like that hard for the era if you grew up in that era um but if you didn't anyone back and played it you know you might go man this is difficult yeah the game doesn't hold your hand that's for sure uh we do have a question coming in from samuel a here he says uh do you think backwards compatibility or how do you think it's handled i mean i think it's going to be simple you put your switch cartridge in and it just works yeah i mean just like 3ds and ds think it just work i think that's the goal anyways right but how do you i mean you gotta also make it though then that you can't put the switch to cartridges back into your switch and play them so i want to ask it if i if i visited i've never even been at tingle island tingle naked and receive a heart piece that's a thing well thanks for spoiling it for me you know i wouldn't i wouldn't define it anyways i never run around naked in the game so i guess i'll run naked to tingle island and see what happens yeah um uh this is an interesting one that again we can elaborate more i think in a spoiler cast um will there be a trilogy yes or no but i said this before the game came out that i'll know the answer to that after i beat the game i gotta see the story ends but i i i do think that just my feeling at the moment is no shit yeah you don't sell 30 million then you don't have the next one break sales records at breast of the wild set for the series and possibly sell another 25 to 30 million and then just say yep now we have a new system coming let's just throw away all of that now do i think the next one will take place in a new land maybe but can it still be a direct sequel to tears of the kingdom yes i just have to see all the story ends right before i can really go into it is is it a direct sequel maybe not i mean i mean it's the same link it's direct sequel to me that's if it is right but i get i don't know yes you know in andrew's case he he already said that skyward sword was the first in the trilogy and he's included yeah according to a lot of people say that because of fuji maishi here's what i will say about about technically about the people that argued that skyward sword from what i because i don't know the dragon tears i've got a lot of the story i'm sorry guys no oh my gosh no um alexa alexa shut up the point is that i am at a point where i can confidently say that no skyward sword is not the first part of a trilogy for this game um it's actually a little shocking how little skyward sword is referenced at all all the things that we thought before the game came out where references the skyward sword a lot of them actually aren't so so far i can confidently say skyward sword ain't no first part of some damn trilogy it's just the first game that the director of these games directed that's it that's the connection doesn't mean anything at all that's like saying the wind waker is it is like you know a direct sequel to majora's mask and a part of a part of a quadrilogy or whatever you want to call it four games because it's majora's mess with the first game that you know that uh agnoma director like it just no no um that being said some people argue age of calamity and that's a whole other thing they get into um let's see here if there's any other uh questions just scrolling down i think that i've seen a lot of questions i think that might do it for today um which is awesome so almost a this skyward sword was a legend a legend oh my god my drop that's not gonna do anything i forgot this is like now oh dang it it's true this tree wait hold um it doesn't work any of the other ones any of the other buttons work right eric and there you go you know what you yes you're a ass right i don't know why i would leave a hole right anyways yeah uh thank you guys for tuning into the tenor prime podcast really old school edition just eric and i we haven't done one of these in forever i hope you guys enjoyed it i hope people didn't think i didn't let eric talk i tried no no i actually said a whole lot i think today so yes i tried that this might have been one of the best eric and eight podcasts with the ogs honestly i did not feel like you were stepping on me a lot so a lot but i did yes but it honestly not like the past you were a whole hell a lot better today than what you have but that's because i'm still i'm still like in host mode where i just everyone else talk oh wait there's only two of them yeah right i have to talk today yeah yeah right so all right guys well thank you so much for tuning into the tenor prime podcast uh i don't have to tell you about any other guests because they weren't here so instead you go ahead and follow eric on twitter at emo 8790 if you're interested uh he doesn't really tweet at all but he reads tweets so if you tweet at him he will read it so that's one way if you want to especially get a hold of me and i'm ignoring you sometimes tweeting at eric will guarantee that i will hear what you said you'll because eric will send it to me and go what are you doing you are an idiot right i have done that before yes that has happened uh prime gaming fest especially happens quite a bit um there's uh we have a private game fest going on next week obviously uh we'll hopefully have the full details up by the end of this week we're at least going to have all the stream scheduled up and ready for you guys to go in get into the schedule is filling out there's just new events being announced like we just yesterday have the devolver digital direct get it out so like new things are being announced every day so like i'm i'm refusing to fill out the slate with all of our stuff till i know what all the game announcements later gonna mean and even then happens every year there'll be stuff we didn't know about and that'll get added last minute then we got to move things around in the schedule uh we saw some companies still sending some stuff out we just had some more game codes get added to our giveaway today uh shout out to rebellion for providing some game codes they provided some in the past they've come through again this year uh thank you to them so you guys are awesome uh we have a lot happening you can hear our podcast everywhere the podcast i heard and we'll catch you in uh the next video peace podcast right this is a podcast yeah yeah damn it nate remember remember what a podcast is podcast yes peace later