 Welcome to Toffy TV, it's the final, we're at Everton 3 rather than United want in the Carabao Cup, it's the League Cup, forget that nonsense, I am joined by Shara Halton from the Blue Room. Shara, thank you for coming in, to discuss a win, it's nice. It is really nice isn't it, I think we kind of expected it to be honest, but those are the ones that make, these are the ones that make me nervous and I was in with Pedd the other day and I said about it in the preview, I was like we should breeze through this and I'm not going to lie, it was playing on my mind, I was thinking shouldn't have said that. You know Everton? I know exactly and then obviously with the line up as well I was thinking ooh I'm not so sure, there was a lot of changes, a lot of young players coming in but very comfortable actually throughout the game. The line up, it wouldn't have been the team I picked obviously had done the team which Pedd, I mean you don't know where Pedd is, he's probably just chilling somewhere. We picked the team and I wanted a strong side because I just thought we need to take this seriously this competition but obviously Marco Silva went with a different line up, a very young line up. I mean it was magic looking through the team because it was basically a 123 side from a couple of years ago or half of it was obviously we had Tom Davis as the captain which I thought was a great decision by the manager and a real show of faith in him. You know obviously Martin Stechlenberg came in, we had John Joe Kenny at right back who had a good game obviously we had Mason Holgate, Kate Zuma came in for his full debut, Lucas Dean at left back and then in midfield obviously Tom Davis, Karen Dowle who had thought had a decent game as well. And then you just looked around and you seen obviously Calvert Living, 4-4-2 for a start which is on air though I haven't seen that for years. And your mate had an absolute shocker let's be honest. It was horrendous, let's have it right. Of course there's what he can be, he was horrendous. He did have a stinky yesterday didn't he? And then Sandra who by all accounts is going to a real show she had had on loan played and I thought she had a decent game as well. It was alright wasn't it but that was a very very strange decision. Like obviously he's going to be joining Royal Sociedad and to be honest I was in a bit of a mad rush before the game and stuff so I hadn't been looking. I got the team news through but I hadn't properly taken it in. So when Zedcar starts and first Tom Davis walks out I turned to Paige as well and I was like oh that's brilliant that. There's something really special about seeing him come out to Zedcar and lead the team I was chuffed for him. But yeah it was really strange to see Sandra like you're thinking what's he really playing for in this game when he's off. But yeah he put a shift in he was trying. I thought he was good. I've seen bits and pieces some people won't have it because they've made their mind up on them. But I take everyone on how they play and I thought he was very good. He put some fabulous crosses in and obviously we got the first goal because of him. We started we were in total control but I just thought we were and it's only to be expected I suppose because it was a disjointed team wasn't it? It was a team that hasn't played together but I thought we were a little bit slow at times in the first 20 minutes everything was passed, passed, passed. Which is okay at keeping the ball but I just thought we should have been taking shots and putting them under pressure you know. But we got the goal. Go play by Sandra. It was a good little move actually. Cair yn dal gyf yn y ball back takes a cross shot and Guilfeeb is there to side foot it in or slide it in rather than and we were up and running. That's it and I think as soon as we got that first goal it just changed everything didn't it? To be honest I was in no fear that they were going to come out and get at us or anything like that. But that when that goal went in you just kind of thought that's it that will steady us now and you know hopefully we'll build on that and get a big win. Which you know three ones alright but I'm gutted that we didn't keep that clean sheet mate gutted we didn't keep that clean sheet. Yeah we'll come on to that in a minute. I mean what I will say about Rotherham was fair play to him. He didn't say to kick us off the pitch which is she I mean seen last week with Southampton. Hopefully a Premier League side trying to beat us everywhere. My excuse mate. I thought that you know was a compliment to them as well as they believed in how they play because I thought they just tried to play to their sense, tried to play the game and they weren't trying to fly into sheep attack or so. I gave them like a lot of credit for that because they did try to just go toe to toe and to be fair that chance they had right on half time had a lot of scattered at the street end of the centre back. Oh you should have scored that. In the first half like I said I thought Sandro put some really good deliveries into the box. The disappointing thing for me was at two centre forwards just didn't see on it. Like Domino Calverlumin I thought he was average goals aside I thought he was average he's played much better games than that. But too often he's wide he's not in the right place you know and in the second half he got himself in the right area but the first half he wasn't in the area. Umar was everywhere but he didn't. His control at times at best can be described as erratic. Last night it can only be described as absolutely awful. He was just hitting them and going 15 yards. He had one of those nights didn't he? He had a stinker last night to be fair to him like the thing is with Umar when he's on it and he does offer something to the team we've seen that but he wasn't on it last night. But he just thank goodness we were winning and stuff as well because that chance he missed in the street end as well and everyone's just kind of when it's Umar everyone just kind of goes ha ha ha Umar Umar because you see him smiling and stuff but no he's got to do better than that hasn't he? He's got to do better than that but when he's bad he's very very bad. He stinks that's it. He's very bad it was really... And I thought it'd be his chance to sort of shine a little bit you know and maybe put in a... I was disappointed that Towson didn't play because I thought he needs a goal. He's played really well so far this season but he needs a goal. I can understand why he didn't but I'd rather he'd have played to be honest but it was one of those nights for Umar. I mean he always seems to be a better substitute than when he started. He's a better impact player really but it was one which wasn't to be for him. Like I said Tom Davis I thought started quietly but he got better and better and better as the game and I thought he took the game by the scruff of the neck as well and drove us forward. What did you make a care in Dahl's performance? Because a lot of people have wanted to see him in this side. It was a bit of a hit and miss to be honest. I think I've spoken to a few people who said like yourself you know he had a pretty decent game and I wasn't massively impressed with him to be honest with you. I think he did okay. I think he held his own and I'd have liked to have seen a bit more. There was a couple of like chances that he had all shots where his decision making was wrong and there was one shot and I'm just thinking what on earth was that? Was that a cross? Was that a shot? He got caught, near the end he got caught. I think he was thinking I'll chip the keeper. Going for the spectacular. And then he was thinking I can see well cut. I'll try and bend it and I don't think he did either. And it just was. In the end he just scuffed it to the goalkeeper. That's it and there was a couple of moments like that from him but you think is that just going to come from you know playing more regular football and getting a bit more confidence in himself and also I think with Dowl he's one of these players that he has got a bit of fflair about him and when he does score they're always spectacular. Always like Colbert Lewin's goal kind of thing or you'd expect him to pull off things like that and when it doesn't go through him sometimes you can be left a bit red faced. I thought the problem I've got with Ciaran Dowl at times is the games flow by him and he'll do two or three things. When I've watched him for the 23s he's anonymous on games cos he's walking around and then the next minute he'll pick the ball up on that left foot and it's in the top corner and you go yeah that's what he's very good at. But I thought he did well last night. I thought he stayed in the game well last night. He was in a different position. He went deeper second half. He almost went alongside Davis as it's almost like a number six like a home in field play but his passing ability is fantastic left and right. He's got that lovely left foot on him like I said he was involved in the first goal. So I think it might just be a confidence thing with him cos there was a couple of times in the first half the pitch opened out in front of him and you're thinking just this that with your left foot and he didn't pass it off or he hesitated and you think that was the 23s. He did just that all that and even for Forrest last season he scored a few outside the box just by hitting it. But that'll come because again I suppose when you're in there's a new manager you've been working with him for a couple of months you're unsure of whether you've reached your own or not. You're in the first team playing at Godderson it's a cup game, you know you're probably trying to do everything right. Do you know what I mean? You don't want it. He's been proud as well was it last night. It was good crowd there and all that. So you can understand him being hesitant but I thought he didn't hide I thought he stayed in the game as much as he could. He's one of those players now it's just this whole the way he carries himself sometimes he looks like a lazy player. That's the thing. He looks, sure am but he's still trying to do the right thing I don't think he is lazy. I thought it was probably for me it was probably his most impressive performance in the first team in terms of being in the game and being disciplined and I think that's for me one of the big things that Marko Silver's brought in is that discipline of the team still pressed well last night it wasn't perfect by any set of the imagination but it's early and this like I said there was 9 changes I think from Saturday so you're not going to get a lovely fluid performance because you've got lad 2 on playing together. Do you know what it felt like and it reminded me of last night like another pre-season game with the players that were playing and stuff like that it did it felt like in the pre-season when we were trying to figure out who's going to stay, who's going to go and there's just like mass changes from game to game and it kind of felt like that and as you said it didn't flow so well particularly first half but more control of because obviously we saw pre-season we've seen a couple of games together didn't we while we were, you know, with Barry we saw one on Valencia and it was, there was gaps but I felt there was a lot more synchronicity that's a good one it's a good one in the team last night without it being carried through to the lot so everyone kind of knew where they should have been there was that flow there I think the lines were quite good the four across the middle were quite good but it was just a finer ball and again no one where people running people, there was a couple of times John Jo Kenny had pointed and the ball slipped through two billion balls and he stopped running and he was like why haven't you run it? and you know when you're like you should have carried on there was little moments like that but in general I think he said at the start it was routine comfortable which everything don't tend to do very well against those kind of teams I mean had that been last season you're looking at us getting knocked up you know what I mean and that's it and it was very comfortable it wasn't the most enthralling game of football to watch but we got the job done and as you said everyone was very disciplined maybe apart from Umar a little bit he's just a bit reckless at times but that's credit to Marco Silva again and he is one of these managers is man managing as well that he will go to every player and drill into them this is your role for this match you stay here this happens and if a mistake is made you know he's the kind of manager that on Monday like you say again again again again again so I think that that's really starting to show in a team that had mass change and you know a lot of inexperience in a lot of ways they held their own and they got the job done comfortably in the end and we can't really ask for any more than that if you take out supposing you looked at that side last night if you take out Martin Stechlenberg who was 34 I think or 35 you take him up the side and then you take Umar up the side and go back through the team so if you take them two out I think the average age is they're all kids and Guilfe who was 28 they're the three older players the rest of the eight are all kids so when you look at it that way you'd have to kind of say they've done I keep making some noise lads when you look at it that way I think that there's a lot to be taken from that as well as that they are young lads and they are learning the game and you're looking at the whole gate and the Davies isn't going we expect more from you two and Calvert Louing and they're all 20 and 21 and they haven't played that many games themselves and I think that's sometimes where people have big expectations on those players and instead of just going on and going they're still learning the game as well so have a little bit of give them a little chance to grow into that role what did you make of K2 when he was making his debut his full debut and how he'd come on at the weekend for very few minutes and he hadn't played the pre-season game so effectively that was his first game of the season and I thought he'd done he was great to be honest with you I thought he played really well when you take into consideration everything that you've just said then early on in the game bit rocky, bit shaky few nerdy moments but I think that's to be expected when you're kind of coming in dry to the game like that and he hasn't been playing but he controlled the ball he brought it out from the back very well winning things defensively which I know we've been nerdy about this season aerially at the back we've not been winning stuff as much as we probably should and he just feel a bit pretty comfortable with him there and seeing him and Mason holgate together I think obviously with the injuries I know Jax can come back in I don't think we'll see him come back in obviously Keane's out for a little while that's going to be our centre back pairing and I was thinking do you know what that's about the best one I could hope for anyway certainly until Yerri Mina comes through I think he's going to be a starter but I'm excited about seeing those two together I think he's done well he has you know what listen I'm not having it just because you like Michael Keane I'm not having it call it when it's called if he's poor I'll tell you I've got no issue with it but people have got to stop it's the same with Davis for me denture with the whipping boys if anything goes I've seen some fella at the weekend go for the penalty Michael Keane again Leighton Bains is just to have a piggyback on someone it's nonsense so I'm just going to stop that right now Michael Keane has been excellent this season to be fair to be fair I've stuck up from this season he has been good he's been good the way I look at it with other players is that people have an idea of about a player and they won't fear they won't fear from it everyone he'll have to just assist him cos that's the only way he can people will go he's he's saying about me ass the biggest reason why Everton is struggling this season is um he's garbage and I'm like he's not garbage at all he's not played he's not garbage he's not this sorry John Bains has decided to he's making I didn't invite you to make comments off the thing now so I just think you have to call as you see it do you know what it is with Michael Keane cos credit to him and well wishes on everything with his injury I know he's going to be okay but he had done everything that was asked of him he can only improve I was a little bit like ah with him but since then he's grown and grown and what you're saying is totally right you've got to take people at face value if they have a good game but for me I still had that nervousness in me when Keane plays because of everything we've seen last season and stuff and that will take a little while but look if he comes back and he comes back in and he continues to play the way he has then credit to him but I've still got the fear but I think some of that is born out of here and other people as well I'm not saying you're influenced but what I mean is I'm not I'm not saying sometimes us as a fan base go on to that they'll listen and go oh yeah they're right about that whereas I just look and go that was last year Guilfee wasn't great last year and yet this year you look at him for him last night he was different levels and I think the everything team you saw last year for me you'd have to almost rip that up and go forget that that was never the same as I call it fake news that all of this was even our manager because it's bounced off this year we are a different side we are a different manager the players all seem connected they all seem like they want to be together which I didn't think was the case last year it was talking cheese wasn't it no one can look at each other the fans seem to be together more this year so I'm giving everyone a clean slate this year apart from Cuckumarty but everyone a clear slate and go on let's see where we go with these plays now ultimately Michael Key mightn't be amazing at everything and if that's the case the manager will show that look at Morgan Snidlant no one wants a Morgan Snidlant probably more than me in the summer because I just thought we can't have people who aren't interested and yet the kids come back and he's at it he's ready he wants to do it so you've got to go when he first came he was brilliant last year terrible this year let's see it was funny you know because last night obviously I know he only got a couple of minutes but I saw the board and I saw number 18 and I was like yes Snidlant is back and I was like what's going on it was the most bizarre feeling but you know again but he came on and it calmed immediately it did and we've missed him in the last two league games enormously enormously we really have missed him and I was like Morgan I was long ago well ironically I think if we would have if we would have been able to bring him on on Saturday at 2.0 I think we might have won but we certainly might have got a grip on him what did you make your Lucas Dean because for me he was my man and I thought he was I thought he was fantastic he was he played fantastically well I think what we've really missed I know just put the caveat on he was brilliant mate he was fantastic and I think we've really missed having that pace down the left hand side with the full back and that's what he brings he's very mobile you're confident that if they're going to catch you on the break he's going to get back and that's something that when Layton Baines has been in Baines against Wolves fantastic since then I think he's dropped off a bit and he's struggled obviously really disappointed on his weekend but that's just because he's 34 years of age his legs aren't what they used to be they don't carry him as fast as they used to and Deans do and he's crossing as well it's something of beauty and I think what was it 12 million we paid for him something like that a bit more than that it'll go up to 18 or 20 but let me just cos I know that a team you say that about Baines at the weekend now I thought the manager's got to react cos I haven't discussed the Bournemouth getting really prepared cos I think we'll have a slightly different view on it at the weekend at 2.0 right at 2.0 be honest right there was no worries about Layton Baines at 2.0 none whatsoever none whatsoever I don't think there was at 2.1 it changed at 2.1 his head went and I think that's when Silver should have made the change he should have been showed up on that side at 2.0 do you go well I left back struggling they were under not really any pressure do we take him off at 2.0 imagine if you took him off Deans comes on bang 2.1 bang 2.2 you go what does the manager do it but why did it come 2.1 no I'm not elishing both goals were down to Layton Baines and the second goal at the weekend he's two part down to Layton Baines because I've done this on my tactics show so I'll make sure you watch it if you're done painting is when Jordan I've get the ball at the weekend he's received the ball out on the touchline if Baines goes and closes him down he doesn't attack into the penalty area but Baines backs off he goes into the area then he engages and then he gives a corner away and when a corner comes in he doesn't attack the ball and it's 2.2 I think what will get off Lucas Dean is better in the air than Baines he wins a lot ahead and I think Baines sometimes gets caught underneath the ball but I think as a footballer Layton Baines has still got a lot to offer but Dean John's shaking his head but he has but I think what Dean gave us last night which you can kind of see what Baines hasn't been giving us is that ability to continue to get up and down and you need to be able to get up and down get up and down especially in the games now because the attacks have taken on a much more important role exactly that's it and they're crucial in terms of being offensive and defensive as well and Baines unfortunately can't do both anymore I think he's still got something to offer in certain periods of time certain games but I think we need to make that transition in to go and look Dean Ye's are left back now and I think that's how it has to be because I don't want it to turn into another situation where we end up kind of resenting him he's been a fantastic servant for the club look I love Bainesy, love the Bones and he's been fantastic, one of the best left backs probably my favourite left back that I've ever seen at Everton, growing up watching him but it's time now I think with the new manager, the new ear the new players, new mentality because I still think that in the old guard players like even James Cullman's like Elaine Baines there's that fear and there's that fear in the crowd and that transcend and I still think they've got that mentality a bit as you said at 2-1 and it's almost like as soon as they got the penalty it felt like we're not going to win this game I said to Peddie the other day when he blew for that penalty I thought if Jordan saves this we'll be alright but if they score, we're drawing this game and that's exactly what happened because they're frightened and I think obviously with the Charleston going as well he didn't have that protection on the left hand side and I think for the second half they were just taking the piss out it was down that left hand side and you know the last sort of 20 minutes when that fear crept in that's when it all kind of showed and you know not wanting to slate Baines because as I say he's been fantastic for us but Dean was fantastic last night and I really want to see him start again put some grey crosses into me and I felt sorry for Totes and sat on a bench because he was probably thinking I was in the middle there for them crosses have they been able to attack that trick mate because the answer was I don't know where he was he was just drilled into his head isn't he under last season he's like this is where I must be they might play left back but we got the second goal and it was Lucas Dean who gilfeys it the free kick into the wall and what I loved about Dean he didn't just lash out at E it took her inside and he just stood it up and that ball, whoever was on the end of that it was a goal but he got himself into the right area and it was really good at them into the floor and it was really lovely goal to see as you said because Cal as much as he was anonymous in large parts of the game and I was having a chat about this last night actually and we always talk about his general play and how he's really good at holding up the ball running the clock down at playing games in the right way seeing them out and stuff like that but we're like he's a striker and he needs to score goals whereas last night he maybe didn't do all that stuff so well but he scored two goals so it's like I'm really pleased for him and that will give him a bit of confidence two goals under his belt it's funny because it was the same thing last season did he score two Sunderland that's it hopefully this will kick him on a little bit I mean you're not expecting to see him start obviously on the weekend but you've got two goals under his belt that's only going to do his confidence good I just think he's got to get in the right areas I'm not convinced by him I'll be honest he's got some really good aspects to his game I think he puts the effort in I think he's quick, he's good in the air his hold up plays needs to be better but he's a kid and that'll come but what I want him to do is get himself in the area as he did last night especially the second goal that's where you want your centre forwards coming in at the back post that led their bang goal the second goal was fantastic and that showed the ability to play for the cruising and then everything do what everything do and you can see the goal off a set piece it was written wasn't it Zonal Markham and now and the steam colleague of yours is having nervous breakdowns over Zonal Markham but I think Zonal Markham most of the best teams in the world do Zonal Markham because it reduces the need to focus solely on a team and change up how you mark off set plays but what you have to do all the hope is that you get so good at marking your zones that it doesn't matter who you come up against you're still doing the right things and I think ever in a way in a Zonal Markham you can see it what they're not doing very well is A, Jeng Thompson's on the near post and he's not winning others it happened a bormath at the weekend and I think the other thing is we're not reacting to the second ball that could have been that could have been so easily avoided you know you've got to be alert as I said previously it does but this is the thing it's like it comes off the post you've got to be prepared for the fact this might come off the post this might come back out and then what we're going to do then we're going to get our foot underneath it and we're going to clear this ball but no and if Acre hadn't scored that there was two other bormath players waiting to tap it in and that's got to be better there was a long there was a long throw of 2-0 it was 2-0, they got a long throw that 4 I think the kid who came on and eventually scored he was decent for them took a long throw we were in trouble when he started celebrating a long throw I was thinking it was Rory de Lap back with them monster throws and he threw it in and there was a flick on no one reacted and he bounced and the lad screwed it wide the self kid who came on but he screwed it wide and he was on his own and nobody kind of thought oh this might hit someone and bounce we've just all gone oh good I don't know what went on instead of going when there was no real inquiry I had some what's going on when Pickford's there last night it was all it was that my man it was that your man, when really and now when I play I was screaming and whinging at people obviously it might have probably but I'd be having to go with everyone else as well because that can happen and then we didn't heed the warning because they get a corner the corner comes, it's a brilliant run to be fair by the kid before he runs across Towson and gets a great header in it was a well executed very similar to Jack Elker's goal against Leicester last season at home corner but it's sorry the season before but Towson again on the near post it might own away that there's a runner now okay they might have scored anyway because it was a really good run it was a good ball and a good run but we've got to make it more difficult for teams and at the moment that's our Achilles heel crosses into the box so that's what we really need to iron out because I think as good as we are off attacking set plays I think defensively off set plays shocking every time we can see the corner thinking this is a goal and that I shouldn't be having to think like that but genuinely I'm thinking we can see the corner a free kick in a dangerous position and I'm thinking this is nail on that they're going to score here and you said before we didn't heed our warning and I was like that's exactly it but how many warnings do we have to have there's also a responsibility so if we're playing man for man okay and you're lady for lady and your lady's page and she gets away from you and scores we can go that's your fault Sarah because you're marking because that was my... so they want that pin in the dance or you can blame someone for a goal zone on marking works the same way because you've all got your zone however you've also got a pace on responsibility everyone's supposed to push up or drop back it's supposed to be one unit but just because I'm marking zone A I've got a responsibility because if zone A comes in and John who's behind the camera gestulating to me scores a good idea I go like that then it's still my fault it's just that you as a fan can't go well that's Barry's fault because you don't know that I'm on zone A Marko knows I'm on zone A because he's put me on it and they'll know but us as fans we go zone on marking we can see that loads of goals have set pieces last week if it's just that you just went and they'll bat defend on that now it's zone on everyone's got a job to do if I've am marking zone A but John's on his own and he's not my zone and the ball's by me I'm still going for it I don't care the man that you can have a go on me but I'm making sure I'm not strong and that's the thing and so but John's highlighted in the set up before John's talking has to do more it doesn't matter whether it's a zone or it's not a zone he's got to do more he's done it sparkly Cumans first season when he stood on the front post and the amount of balls he added away was incredible Lee Carsley done it brilliantly for us years ago Moise put him at the front and went you're decent in here you're going to go so what we need to be thinking now is right okay you want your bigger man marking day bigger man but who's better at near post heading who's better who's going to attack the first ball and I think that's what it doesn't need to do really and I think Mark will get it right but it's just the team and problems at the moment and we have to kind of go let's get through that let's get through this little period of time and I think once we get through that period of time I think we'll be okay but at the minute it just seems to be me dad messaged me last night another crossing and I'm like no I know but it's actually if you wanted to really go to run but Jenks got to do better Jenks could have been man to man marking him and the crossing got the other in you'd have gone well it's been like you've noticed him in a lot of the goals that we've conceded as you say he's there on the near post and he may as well not be there at all let's have it right most centre forward a clueless how to defend I used to stand on the half way I was just like I used to stand on the half way A cos I'm like five foot nothing but B I don't have a clue to Mark I know what I'm going the other way cos I know what I'm thinking it's not natural it's like putting a defender off front isn't natural for them to take a ball on the chest and lay it out it's they want to edit away so do you know what I mean so it's all what's natural and I think I really believe we should start just sticking two men on the half way then because that then makes the opposition go we've got to have three back then we can't go man for man and we're never going to go man for man the good is Theo Walcott in our penalty area well this is it, you know if he's on the half way line teams are breaking it off you're not catching him if the ball gets cleared you're not catching him he could start 20 yards out of him what's the other lot what's the other lot where they've got shallow well you don't have to if you're ever glanced and they're on and the other teams got a Liverpool quite often will have shallow on the half way line because he's quick and if they whack it away they know he's not going to head the ball it's like when we beat Arsenal a few years ago and they had Mesotazel mark and Ashley Williams I think and he just kind of went I'm not jumping, you see him go like that with his shoulders and Williams just headed in and he was like he wasn't going to stop because he's running and he just didn't want to be there so I just think that for me that's just a little bit of an issue at the minute but I think I've got no worries that Marco Silva will sort it out because when it's clear and I think the good thing last night was when they had them in the crowd didn't go oh my god there we got another groans it was just like come on let's pick this back up do you know what that is listen to your first daughters we've been so far in control of this game if they get another corner but what Everton did really well was they got back on the front foot Tom Davis wins the ball knock forward and then obviously Calvert Lewin does his stuff and that's it, it's done immediately I mean I felt sorry for the number four he'd done that it didn't mean anything of course it was funny because he was like he was human the Patriots go oh my god and I was like well once he's done like a triple quadruple that was great they'll be happy with that they've got a goal by Calvert Lewin what a goal that was he was delighted for Davis as well he broke really well did the little lay off with him stops takes his time, picks his moment and just curls the keeper into the top corner and it was like it's one of them where you're just like fair play you were like great goal mate just rewind the clock to April 1st exactly exactly exactly it doesn't matter now if he was shit for the rest of his career potty mo but listen I mean Karen Dal could have had the fourth at the end he should have done a great move or he could have stopped it and squared it and Jen could have had a nice little tap there but listen we was in the right place to miss it and we've gone through and I want to make no bones about saying this I want a league too sad at home with an injury crisis I've seen people going we want this away or them away I'm like no we don't against the league 2 team who have got to play their under 12s or under 14s because the under 12s lay for them so we can get into the next round I want easy easy easy easy easy all the way through because this is a trophy we can win I'm with you Barz I mean look at like 2009 you know it's like we beat Liverpool we beat Manchester United all these teams who cares no one goes back and goes yeah we did this we knocked Liverpool out we bit United we won the trophy not us if we go through and everyone's going ah but you didn't have to play anyone I'll go yeah but guess what people aren't going to be singing it's been 20 hours listen Swansea won the league cup a few years ago and they played league 2 Bradford in the final and everyone just goes well Swansea won a cup Swansea won more trophies than you in the last 20 years but they have yeah you're right Liverpool have the last trophy day one was the league cup the penalties against the league 2 sorry a championship so you don't care you just need to get that it's there when you're on his list in it you know what it's just getting through though because that breath that confidence again and again like Saturday we go into that game of the three one win others feel their own great chance to beat them everything just rolls on and that's what it's about momentum because football is all about momentum absolutely and we know what cup runs do for us fans as well you have a couple of decent cup runs and it's fantastic as you say if we get a draw where we're looking and I know we'll find out later tonight you get Chelsea it's like we always do no we won't we're getting Wickham at home Wickham Wanderers at home that'll do me I'll be made up with that you know what I mean maybe not me shoulder but Caterpillar on the cross the floor I can still do that no Wickham Wanderers at home not now because we're the kinders wrong if we get Wickham I'll do it promise there you go he's a man of his word he'll do that how do you do that I can't I'll do it for you in a minute the pressure's on I can't do it I'm wanting to end up like this anyway this has gone all very weird with Deli Alleyness at the end of it so forget that big thanks for sharing good win even though they're in the next round of the Carabao Cup please subscribe take a 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