 Without Roger, but no promises Well, um That was kind of what I was asking earlier is like is there anything I can do from here Nah, I mean you could try to do the same thing. I'm gonna do but yeah Nah, we'll do it live. We'll do it live. We'll do it live. Yeah, it'll be Well, I'll just be like Shannon VPNs go screen Okay Uh, and yeah, you guys are all good with the headlines that you have a sign Yeah, they look good. All right I love it would be and the conference email I'm glad you thought about that because I I read that earlier and I was like, that's so nice. Hmm. What do we do? Yeah, yeah, it's like super relevant seems legit Seems legit. Hey, if it isn't, I mean, what's the worst that could happen? you know I guess just a pronunciation check. Uh, robert muller muller muller. Okay. Glad I asked and Hydrophilic I think so. Yeah, that sounds right. Sounds right to me too muller muller muller muller muller I'm gonna throw you off. I'm gonna make you say it wrong Ah Yes Investigations. Yeah. Good times. How about those? Oh, no, no, no, you wrote it here like that Muller Yes People will assume I mean I prefer muller muller Take it as a political statement if you call it muller Yeah, maybe I should try to say No, we're all cattle. What right? That's all I need and Get back to basketball talk. I have a Celtics hat and an Atlanta Hawks hat that I have not yet worn on the stream I don't think um So many questions so many so many I can explain them all Okay, why have three minutes? First of all a Hawks cap What in the heck Atlanta Hawks cap because The Hawks were the last NBA team to be located in st. Louis Ah Yes, I do know this story in my youth I was casting about for a team to support and I briefly flirted with supporting the Hawks because they used to be in st. Louis I actually I like their uh logo a lot I like the Hawks. Yeah, I just I've just looks like a little pack man I also like the Celtics just because you know, I like things like Notre Dame and the Celtics Because I'm irish, but I don't actually like the Celtics. Are you irish for real? Len Never ask an irish woman that I would never have guessed Well, I don't know what you thought my my sarah lane was all about No, I mean, I'm not Maybe They're from sarah. I could be but no, yeah, no, I'm irish 100 irish, uh, no, um, I'm like six eighths So mostly but not completely. There's a little like there's a little northern european Who knows what going on up there, but um, but no mostly most of My dad's coming in most of my life a lot of irish in me, too Yeah I identify as being irish more than anything else because that my That's just yeah, and just you know, that's just sort of my kids are part irish so irish slovak Yeah Filipino crazy And all right, my daughter's italian. Anyway, uh, well, so all of you irish are irish adjacent people Are you ready? I'm ready ready Okay, uh sarah, I think you should do the honors of reading the pre-roll. Okay Here we go three two Daily tech news show is powered by you to find out more head to daily tech news show dot com slash support This is the daily tech news for friday march 23rd 2018 from dgs headquarters in los angeles on tom merit And from a very sunny studio feline as opposed to yesterday. I'm sarah lane And from hack fives brand new studios in oakland, california. I am shannon morse From semi spring here in the cle. I'm lenn paulton. Oh very nice the cle. I like that Very yeah, I am of course wearing an a's hat in honor of the new hack five studios in oakland It's perfect timing. Yeah, you'll be near the new stadium if that if that all pans out, which is going to be fun Uh, we're very sad roger chang is not here, but uh, he tweaked his back So send the guy some good vibes. Uh, hope you can rest up over this weekend. Good vibes. Good vaikiden Yeah, one of those Good naps. Yeah, let's start with a few tech things you should know sources till bloomberg's mark german that apple will introduce low cost iPads at its announcement in chicago tuesday march 27th That's next tuesday. The sources also say apple will show new software for the classroom Now if you look at data from future source consulting it shows that apple is in third place behind both google and microsoft in devices shipping to us schools Dropbox priced its initial public offering at 21 Dollars above the expected 18 to 20 dollar range Dropbox sold 36 million shares and now trades on the nasdaq under the symbol db x db x db x the u.s charged and sanctioned nine Iranians as well as the map na institute of iran friday for allegedly attempting to hack into hundreds of universities And dozens of companies as well as parts of the u.s government including the federal energy regulatory commission The u.s indicted the seven iranians or us previously indicted seven iranians in 2016 For denial of service attacks none of those have yet been arrested or extradited Let's talk a little bit more about the u.s congress passing bills and causing changes The u.s congress passed a bill wednesday that removes safe harbor protections from websites that quote promote or facilitate the prostitution of another person You can draw your own conclusions, but you know, it's sort of all encompassing out of concern over these broad interpretations of the law craigslist has removed its personal section entirely reddit has followed suit removing some subreddits The bill is expected to be signed by the president and when i read this this morning Um, it didn't surprise me that craigslist would do something like this, but the personal section includes Oh casual encounters men seeking women women seeking women men see, you know the whole the craig the craigslist is unique in in some ways because it's one of the Last remaining kind of web 1.0 companies. Yeah. Yeah, you know design much over the years No, not at all not at all and craig newmark who obviously craigslist is known after has has um He's been you know, very vocal as far as politics and policy and and what he feels that craigslist should do and not do and so When I read this I was like, they're obviously taking this really seriously because they know that they could be on the hook For a lot of stuff that might be going on behind the scenes based on these new laws And i've seen a lot of uh sentiment on the internet, uh going both ways Sex workers for example saying, you know, this is really you know, these are you know In many cases marginalized people. This was actually a really good tool for a lot of people This is really bad, uh for you know, a lot of my peers and then on the flip side of it You know other people saying well, you know, I mean you can't you know, if if anybody is going to be accused of something that falls under the umbrella of prostitution you can't be too careful. Um end of an era, I guess more than anything for me Yeah, the e of f either been included that they think of this as being a violation of the freedom of speech, but it's a smart move coming from craigslist as a business to Proactively go ahead and shut down that section, especially since the bill is so broad I'm gonna disagree with both of you here. Um, oh I I think this bill probably has some unintended consequences But I think craigslist may be overreacting the the bill is targeted at back page It's targeted at ads that are meant particularly Uh to to engage in prostitution And yes, the bill probably could have its language tightened up a little more and no I don't think it was super important to add An exemption to safe harbor and I get what EFF is saying is why did we need this? There are other tools to enforce it, uh, but I don't think craigslist was likely to get sued Uh, or even threatened by this. I think they're doing it more as a political statement And a little bit of the baby is going out with the bath water here See what you're saying Well, but you're also kind of sane. I mean if you've if you've hung out on a lot of these personal, uh sections And I have over the years don't ask me why but I have you know curiosity whatever But I mean there is a lot of that going on. There's definitely a lot of that going on But there's a question of whether that that it happening is promoting or facilitating it Which which granted there's questions. I I I get it Feel like that could be a whole another topic for us to talk about So moving on the daily beast says it has learned that u.s. Special Counsel Robert Mueller has taken over the investigation of the hacker known as goosepher 2.0 Who took credit for providing wiki leaks with emails taken from the democratic national committee? A source said that one of goosepher's posts on social media did not go through a vpn And revealed a moscow-based ip that investigators believe may belong to russian intelligence Whoops goosepher Okay, but an ip address is not a person It is not it is not and and I think the daily beast itself over Headlined uh what what has been said which is hey looks like we caught an ip address that ip address is at a location in moscow We're pretty sure that location is under the control of russian intelligence So there's a lot of could have probabilities here a lot of circumstantial evidence that makes it look like it It's certainly the kind of thing that you might guess right but shannon like how how certain can we be about it? We couldn't be a hundred percent sure unless we saw goosepher himself or herself actually sitting at a computer in moscow on that ip Typing at their computer with that update on that social network. There's no real person, right? Yeah, exactly. There's no exact Way that you can tell that a hacker is sitting there doing this So it's really really tough to say But you know, they're they're considering proof this proof and a lot of news Out sources or resources have have kind of flipped the switch on this and said oh, they're definitely russian Which we don't necessarily know yeah Well, uh us music revenue rose 16.5 percent in 2017 hitting the highest mark since 2008 Music finally back. Yay piracy didn't kill it after all streaming music revenue grew 43 percent. So yes spotify apple music That's where the money's coming from uh streaming music generated 65 percent of all recorded music revenue for the year Interestingly while spotify is out there making a big stink over how many millions of people it thinks is is subverting its ad based streaming free ad supported streaming Both spotify and youtube and others grew 34.6 percent. So even if people are subverting it The money is coming in in larger amounts there physical units like cds made up 17.1 percent of revenue ahead of digital downloads now CDs and vinyl outselling digital downloads digital downloads made up 15.3 percent of the market In fact downloads and cds sales fell but vinyl sales rose One million units. That's one of the weirdest parts of all of these conversations about uh, you know The trend of music and how people consume music and and what makes sense The fact that vinyl is on some sort of an upswing like I get if you're a dj or you know, but like not everybody's a dj it's Bizarre to me that vinyl it is on the rise at all. It's cool I I can kind of understand why because vinyl has always had a traditionally like amazing Quality as opposed to cassette tapes turning into dvds and things like that or vhs turning into dvds So for people to jump back to vinyl, especially when they have new players that enable them to Play vinyls really easily I understand. However, it's not something that I jump into because I like flax I've argued for a long time that as digital takes over people are going to miss the physical objects They're going to want in certain cases to own a thing That goes along with their digital version and I feel like that's what we're seeing is big vinyl album covers That warm analog sound which you know, some people argue isn't actually better But some people are like I just like it That's something that people can hold on to and you a very often see vinyl sold along with digital copies as a package Uh, I've I've done that before where I I think when I bought the soundtrack for the force awakens I got it digitally and then they sent me the album so I could have the album with the album art and all of that In the full doubts the inserts. It's it's it's cool. I've even heard some people getting back into cassettes, which I think that's even crazier because Tape hiss and that's yeah that I actually found an old Walkman the other day I I put I blame guardians of the galaxy and I opened it up and I'm like there's a cassette in here Like what could it be? Don't even know. Maybe it doesn't work. Maybe it's warps I blame guardian of the galaxy. It's their fault. I can get back into gramophones. Just I do think though. So I've been paying for apple music for some time And once ardio went away, that's the the the streaming service that I went to and you know I'm I'm streaming works really well for me because I don't care about physical copies. I don't care about uh, local storage for for my for my My collection for the most part at the same time just the other day I was trying to get something to play on apple music using my sonos, which obviously goes through amazon and finally I was just like Screw it sign me up for amazon music services You know and then you know the next morning I like got these emails and I was like wait a second I'm paying ten dollars a month for two of the exact same services. It's a terrible idea I'm gonna have to choose one or the other But I think that that also has a lot to do with it the fact that people are just trying things out That's why amazon was willing to let sonos put a amazon voice services in there Absolutely starting march 1st the south korean government is powering march 30th march 30th Pardon me the south korean government is powering down all computers at 8 p.m Fridays in sol in order to force employees to stop working overtime South korea has some of the longest working hours in the entire world The country recently passed a law to cut down on the maximum work week from 68 hours to 52 Now for those of us who know that a 40-hour work week is like anything over that and it's overtime Even though americans work really hard 68 hours is That's that's a lot. That's the maximum. They're like you we had a problem with people working too long in this country We had to pass a law. They're still working too long. So we're gonna reduce that maximum You can't work people more than 52 hours. We will cut your power turning off your computers. Go home If you want to go home go to the bar get some makgeolli have some soju and cast do something else But don't work now tom and i'm not sure shannon if you've been to uh, soul or south korean general I have not But um, but tom, I know you have and I you know These are the sorts of things where it's like the government isn't just going to be like Hey, everybody should just chill out a little bit more What are the negative effects on society that have been shown to the point where Something this dire would have to be put into place. Yeah, that's a great question Well scientists at mit and uc berkeley have developed a device that can extract water from air Even in desert climates The device is passive requiring no energy input and can work in humidity as low as 10 percent A metal organic framework is made with Hydrophilic material that absorbs water at night and uses sunlight to release it Where it can be caught by a condenser It's tested in tempeh, arizona yielded around a quarter of a liter per kilogram of material It can also be used to store natural gas or capture carbon dioxide. How cool is this? So cool. It's the kind of thing where you're like With with many scientific discoveries that are this cool. You're like, how do we not think of this before right? Right. Yeah materials aren't new Uh, but someone finally figured out the right mix of them that work really well So there have been similar situations before but you had to charge it up to make the the water Absorb and and they finally figured out the right balance To create the solution that causes the structure of the ions to be such that there's a gap There's a nice big gap and it will suck the water into that gap and hold it there And then when the sun comes out it expands a little and the water releases And then you just have something to catch the water and that does that doesn't have to be powered either So this is this is fantastic I think a quarter of a liter per kilogram of material sound it doesn't sound like a lot But that's actually quite a bit per kilogram So of course the cost associated with this might change if we see this on a consumer market or not because that would be really cool But uh, it's neat. I love love hearing about scientific discoveries like this What would be the most obvious use case of this? Let's call it a desert climate phoenix, arizona You know, what are we going to do with the sides like greenhouses? Let's go to senegal. Let's go to morocco Let's go to yeah, let's go to places. Well, let's let's actually just go there because that sounds awesome but also Like there's a place where there are plenty of places uh on the planet with water deprivation and It's in africa. It's in india and other places as well Uh, so if you can get these made the cost of operation is extraordinarily low and you could actually provide water in the desert We're talking like dune the book coming to life here, right, right? I mean even in california, you know anybody who's familiar with how water works is like A lot a lot of the water that we all enjoy in southern california comes from northern california because there's a lot of water down here You know and if and if things were to get messed up It would be a real, you know, well, you know without me saying it what exactly it would be So it would be a bummer sarah. It would be a real bummer without capital B But uh, but yeah, so yeah, I mean I I get the the overarching implications of how cool this is I just wonder how it's going to roll out. Yeah, I do too It seems like the kind of thing that has a better chance of making out of the lab than some some things do Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines Dot com get it on the amazon echo google home and the anchor app daily tech headlines Dot com So alphabet they're the people who own google, you know, uh has a bunch of other companies One of them is called jigsaw and they've released something called outline That somehow lets anyone create a vpn server easily safely. I don't know. That's why shannon's here to explain this What's going on here? All the things That's how you describe it. It just does all the things Yay Yeah, so jigsaw they're basically an incubator for all sorts of security services that they're kind of working on different projects of An outline is just one of those many projects that jigsaw is doing So, uh, you don't have to think too much about jigsaw right now We're gonna focus on this one project that they decided to announce And the reason why I wanted to discuss this today is because It's kind of changed the way that we think about running your own vpn or vps in that it makes it so much easier than it used to be We've done countless episodes of hack five trying to describe how to run a vpn and It's tough if you try to do it on your own server. It's very tough to set it up yourself So most people will go to a third party and they will just download one from a third party Pay them some money and then just click a little on button on your computer to run you through that vpn title Now i'm going to assume everybody out there knows what a vpn is, you know, you connect on your Like my phone right here. I'll cut on a vpn and then it goes out to a server and hopefully it's encrypted correctly If it's not then somebody could probably Get my dns leaked settings for example Or or they could if the third if the vpn isn't collecting everything correctly Maybe they are taking my logs down or my real ip address Or maybe they are selling that information to a third party like an advertiser marketing firm or something like that I think the biggest example that people in our audience are familiar with is i'm at a hotel or an airport And I don't know who else is on this network. I want to keep my stuff away from them Yeah, exactly. So then you want to turn on a vpn and you're like, I don't protect I want to protect myself. I don't trust anybody on this same network So if you go to starbucks use a vpn or just don't connect at all But the reason digital The reason outline came out is because they wanted to make it a lot easier for people like journalists Who are constantly trying to keep themselves private and protected Especially if they're in a violent environment or they are prone to being targeted for harassment online or even some kind of corruption from a government agency like, you know Stocking them online. There's all sorts of issues that you can run into especially if you are reporting on very sensitive material So what is it that outline does? That that is different than me going through another vpn. I mean, I I know that if I'm paying someone I'm trusting them Right. Maybe they're not trustworthy or maybe a different person takes it over But but running it personally seems hard. This seems a lot easier. Is is it actually easier and better? It is actually easier and better. At least I would think so. Luckily daren and I ran through a test of it We were trying it from a client side as well as setting up your own server And it's pretty much all set up in gui And outline is automatically connected to digital ocean and for anybody that's not familiar with digital ocean They it's a company where you can purchase your own vps or virtual private server So you purchase the server and I believe you have the prices down. Don't you tom? Uh, no, yeah Let's see a droplet a droplet on digital ocean cost five dollars per month for one terabyte of transfer data Yeah, so it's very very cheap. It's really inexpensive and a lot of vpns cost a lot more So you go over to digital ocean you create this vps and then you download the uh outline Manager and once you get that set up on your computer You just go through a gui to set it up connect it to your digital ocean vps And then you get this fancy little link and you can send this link to whoever you want any client devices or any users That you want to connect through this vpn so that they are securely transmitting data to wherever they need to transmit it to And one of the cool things about this is you're in control of everything Without having to go to the trouble of controlling the server itself So there are other things that you can do like stri sand Uh and a few others where where you can actually set something up on your own server But because of the integration with digital ocean, this is super easy on the other hand You have to give a name and credit card to digital ocean. So nothing's ever a hundred percent, right? Yeah, exactly. And also outline uses this thing called dockers So for developers, uh dockers and containers specifically make it really easy for you to compile your executable your application whatever it might be And easily distribute it to a user. So it makes the setup worthwhile because it's so simple to do Even if you don't have very much knowledge as far as technological knowledge goes So so using that docker implementation of this outline Application makes it so easy for not just the person who's doing it on the server side But also the the client the user Yeah, and and for those who actually know the difference it is in fact shadow socks Yes, it's not open vpn or some of the other more common vpn protocols So because of that it works a tiny bit differently. Is that is that something most people have to worry about? Not necessarily. Uh, technically shadow socks is Almost the same as a vpn. Uh, some people say it's not as secure, but you can encrypt your own data But yeah, basically it works the same on the on the user side So you don't really have to deal with anything on on the back end Especially through the outline GUI. They already have it set up for you. So all you have to do is connect it to your vps So sarah and I could both today just go and set one of these up in 10 minutes, huh? Yeah, technically you could Since it's so easy and and we're going to be releasing a little tutorial guide on hack 5 next week So we're making it even more easy. You know, I think there are a lot of people who are like vpn You know, I don't really know about airport wi-fi or you know, what does it mean to me? You know, one of one of the use cases that I come across all the time because we were talking about sports before the show started is Oh, what market are you in this game is blacked out for you VPN Comes in handy, right exactly So there aren't I know I know I'm just saying like these are the sorts of things that vpns, you know, they cloak You know location in certain senses and you know, that's why a lot of people are familiar with them Daily tech news show does not endorse using a vpn to break terms of service Absolutely not if you're in a country that you know is cramping down on free speech, perhaps a vpn is good for that Yeah, exactly Now there are a few caveats that you probably want to consider if you are running outline or you want to like constantly use it For example, udp packets don't get sent through it UDP packets are usually the ones that we use for like live streaming or gaming So like if you find for some reason your video stream Freezes for a moment You probably had some udp packet loss and then it just refreshes itself and it's fine and you haven't lost any like Remaining information from that because those packets don't necessarily matter since it was a live stream or a game Although if you're a headshotter, you know, you might have an issue with that your video gaming Uh on the other hand the key the invite url that the manager sends over to a client That's a url. So like it's going to be in your browser history Anybody can see it like if they get on your computer and see the different URLs you've been to It could end up in your clipboard if you copy it over from somewhere So it's really wise to send that to your clients or your users in a secure fashion Whether that's like pgp email which keybase.io is a website that makes it really easy to set up a pgp email Or you could send it over signal which is encrypted Or if you have the uh possibility you could go face to face and just tell somebody the url Which is a really great way and then they just plug in the url They get to it. They go over there download the gooey and they that's all they have to do and then they can log into the vpn Which is great And unfortunately the vpn only allows you to set it up for different server locations That they have in that gooey and I believe like san francisco's one london singapore There's like eight different options. So you don't hang lower frankfort, toronto and new york Yeah, so as long as you're okay with one of those options as far as your server is located at then you're fine with using outline Well folks, uh, like uh, shannon said if you'd like to find out more about this, uh, of course We'll have links in our show notes, but check out hack five h a k 5.org next week And thanks to everybody who participates in our sub ready You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups Slash daily tech news show. Let's check in on the mailbag real quick. Sarah. What do we got? Let's do this one comes from morise Some people call him morise He lives in as he as he says not hot and humid nola. I'm sorry, morise. You must Let's get that terrible joke all the time But this actually good this this works in conjunction with our last mailbag We're tom and iber like part of what we can do here on dtns is facilitate Questions and answers and connections between all of our you know our community and our fans This is a great example of that where he says I volunteered at the Collision conference here in nola a few years ago and was able to get in on a deal for nine free tickets for This year's conference it's april 30th through may 3rd at the new orleans convention center If anybody in the audience would like a free ticket Let me know now We thought about it beforehand and it's like if this is something that interests you because morise has limited number of tickets First come first serve seems like the you know safest bet, you know in the next 24 hours feedback at daily tech news show dot com We will put you in touch and I've heard that the collision conference is really fun So if that's something that you can do and you're interested in and you want a free ticket Hurry it's all right. Yeah, and morise says you will have to give them an email address So you may want to use your non primary address up to you They don't send too many updates They have my email address and i've never unsubscribed from anything from them So they're pretty good with it, but you should know that Feedback at daily tech news show dot com if you're interested, we'll pass you on to morise. All right Let's check in with len peralta who has been busily illustrating the week's top story Yes, this is uh one of the times where the top story did not happen on artprop friday So I decided to uh to draw a little bit of a um I don't know what you would call this. Um I was not really an editorial It's kind of like that skittles commercial where they have skittles Yes, it's uh, you know, uh the cambridge analytic Analytica a story and facebook was very big this week and uh, you know, a lot of us feel very zucked over And uh, that's what this is all about Hashtag zucked over himself feels kind of zucked over A lot of people everybody in this situation is pretty much zucked over and the the copy behind for anybody who can't see It's it's a picture of mark zuckerberg kind of sweating bullets But we see some we see some copy behind him. Is that from his speech? No, that actually is the actual the actual questions from the personality test Uh, I found it online today. I was like, there's gotta be something behind there So I did an edward snowden image a couple years ago. I even like to think this is kind of a companion piece to it So yeah, so if you're uh into Feeling like you've been zucked over in the making here. Yeah Yeah, I love your mantle. We've got Perfect. Yes. Come on all kinds of sizes over at lundproldstore.com Excellent. You can purchase it right there. Good work, Len. Good. Thank you, Len And also thanks to shannon morse. Always good to have you on fridays or whenever we can get you And your new studio looks amazing. Tell us what's going on with everybody over at hack five and beyond Thank you so much. Yeah, we worked really hard on getting the studio set up So there were many nights where I just went home from work and I passed out and I didn't even eat dinner because I was so Exhausted so I'm happy to have this studio up and running where I can actually podcast from it with y'all So happy to be back So you can find everything over at hhk5.org Including hack five as well as threat wire where I did this Huge breakdown of the Cambridge Analytica data that's coming out, which is very very interesting So it kind of falls along with a lens photo that he drew so very cool illustration I really like what you were doing with that As well as tech thing which is where I just did a studio tour with Patrick Norton As well as talking about netflix 4k and their price increase So definitely check that out if you are concerned and wondering if it's worth it to continue on with that 4k data stream excellent Check it all out folks hhk5.org Big thanks to everyone who supports us by buying stuff in our store You can wear some lend parol to art on your person at dailydecknewshow.com Store also we gained five new patrons since yesterday We just need 17 more to have one more patron than we had last month So keep them coming folks at patreon.com slash dtns You know, it's so funny for the longest time. I didn't know what on your person meant I'm like what person? Oh yourself like I don't have a person. Oh, yeah, what what person are we talking about? Yeah, yeah, it's a thing Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com if you want to tell me the first time that you realized what on your person meant We are live monday through friday at 4 30 p.m. Eastern 20 30 UTC and you can find out a lot more at dailytechnewshow.com Slash live back on monday with our guest laura shin talking cryptocurrency. Talk to you then This show is part of the frog pants network get more at frogpants.com Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this program I keep uh for some reason lately my aim is off and I keep hitting the close button instead of the play button Oh, no And that's what happened is like would you like to delete this? I'm like, no Oh, yeah there's um there's this thing that I do every once in a while when Most of the time because I spend a lot of time on instagram Most of the time I'm you know on on my phone, you know But because they now have a desktop, you know app I can kind of go through stuff But there's something weird about the UI of it where like I end up liking things And I didn't mean to Not that I don't but I you know liking something is telling the person like I really like that I want you to know my you know username is associated and like it's gotten to the point where I'm like I can't do it, you know too much like errant liking Speaking of liking, uh, I like the title go vpn or go home And I kind of want to add or both because it's your home vpn get it There's also diy vpn. That's very efficient, right? There's also zucked over I If I may Would love to just not have a facebook title today for once, right? Yeah Let's get into the weekend With a clean slate. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because you know, it's gonna be back on monday. Oh, it's not going away anytime soon No, it's not Go vpn or go home then. Yeah, I love that one. All right Because when you're home, you won't need the vpn as much Because you'll be home As long as you have a properly secured network You're home speaking of the weekend. I'm going to go start mine because I'm going to go see weird ale this weekend. Oh What what like it like what's the venue? Well, you don't have to tell us the venue, but like where are your tickets? What seats what row? wherever the no, he's playing he's playing uh playhouse square downtown cleveland cool and uh, yeah Actually get to uh, just to to see how this weekend that sounds I love weird ale. Oh, it's gonna be great. Yeah. He's doing a lot of like old Like like things he never did on tour before and it's a different set list for every show. So it's it's gonna be cool That's cool. Well, you figure someone Such as weird ale yankevic probably has like such a plethora of material You know some that like worked out. Well, you know, like, you know where you can like do parodies of songs But a lot of the other stuff like back in the day when I was a little kid I used to listen to dr. Demento and he was a big part of that You know, but that wasn't necessarily like his most beloved work As far as like the general populace. No, this this tour is really about like deep cuts and stuff He's not doing eat it. I don't think he's not doing Everything that you would expect him to play which is great because it really is for fans of his work Is this more my balona than eat it? You know, I really hope he does some stuff like You know, maybe like nature trail the hell and stuff You know things that you don't really get to hear that often live. So Um, but I'm excited. I'm excited to uh to see him. So it's going to be a pretty interesting weekend Is there anyone else playing or is it just him? Emo Phillips opens. Oh nice. I know emo Phillips. Emo Phillips is fun But yeah, I'm going to It's been kind of a hard week. Not as hard as uh as our friend, uh Mark Zuckerberg, but no, do you have a little sympathy for mark? Oh, yeah, my heart goes out Poor guy poor guy He's losing so much money. I feel Oh poor him. Only potential money though. He'll be okay You think he's gonna rise from the ashes again? I you know, I have a feeling Yeah, I know could go either way for elzak. We'll see whole sugar mountain Oh sugar hill Well, okay guys, we'll see you. Uh, oh, is there a show next week? Uh being Oh because of good friday. Oh, yeah, there is in fact, it's a Roundtable. It's a space episode of of stuff No, if I'm gonna be able to do that. Yeah, yeah, no worries, man, but uh, we totally understand stuff. I gotta I gotta take care of but Excellent. All right Well, have a great weekend then Yes, thank you so much. Yes, I will hopefully warm up Take care everybody Well, you know, luckily it stopped raining here in LA So my uh leaky window from yesterday has cleared itself up You know a friend of mine was like another year you really need your landlord to go like you like really need that fix and I'm like It's probably not gonna rain like that for like least 365 days I could live in a worse place where that would be a problem, but I don't yeah Like maybe I'm wrong, but like I'm pretty sure that was that was the rain dump that LA has Like now we're done. Yeah, we just finished up ours too Although I think it's gonna rain again tonight Which is a mistake Yeah, it's not like California don't need the rain. That's true We really need exactly although the the mudslide issue we were talking about I guess it was yesterday or the day before. I mean pretty significant at least in southern cal Yeah, scary stuff people being evacuated. We always get the rain in the wrong place Well, it's like we can't win right into the reservoir From the hillside, right? Yeah, everything's dry. So everything burns and then That we rain we need the rain, right? Well now actually now the two of them together, you know, even more Catastrophic so this is not fit for human habitation Yeah, plant a plant a tree goodness Yeah, or you know, I'm just you know collect condensation out of the desert air We know how to do that now Arizona's gonna be fine. Yeah, Tempe, Arizona lots of things going on there. Yeah, it's what I noticed when I read that this test It's because of universe or not University of Arizona Arizona state, right? Uh Tempe is Arizona state, right? And tempi is the University of Arizona is in uh University of Arizona is in Flagstaff No, I'm sorry University of Arizona is in Tucson and the northern Arizona University is in Yeah, um, but but tempi is uh, basically just the college town suburb of phoenix too and phoenix, right, right totally All right. Well, I'm gonna hop off and go get some lunch All right. Oh Enjoy lunch, Shannon. Thanks so much again for being a part of the show. Thank you Yeah, good stuff Thank you. I'll see you guys later. All right. Goodbye. Bye Okay, goodbye Oh goodness, you know I feel like I say this every week, but I'm like what a week It's not even like personally like I didn't have like that crazy of a personal week, but just You know news weird week for news. Yeah weird weather um I don't know just Just seems like it seemed like a slog when I woke up this morning. I was like, thank god, it's forever I was uh, my physical therapist was sick yesterday, which is Which is yeah, you're you're always like doctors shouldn't like wait a minute. No, he's invulnerable. He's he's not a real human Uh, and I was so glad Um, really? Well, because I'm near the end I'm near the end of the regimen anyway And so I kind of knew what to do on my own It's more of these last two appointments We're gonna be him checking to see like, uh, can we get a couple more percentage points out of your range? And yeah giving me my last program to do at home, which I'll do next week So it wasn't you know, I just did most of the stuff at home and it was all right Uh, but I didn't have to drive in the rain. I didn't have to take all that time. Yeah So it was like it was like on another week who would have been like, oh, okay And this week I'm like miracle. It was a miracle. I've been gifted another 45 minutes No, it's true. They're definitely they're there are those times I have no excuse now because the sun's out, you know, I'm like looking outside like Now I have to be productive But um on those days where it's just sort of like it's wet It's you know, there's puddles everywhere, you know, you're kind of cold Um, and when something is sort of like, oh, sorry that fell through and you're like Totally fine. Not even mad I have a weird thing when it rains where I always feel like the best rain Uh, you know, they're like pouring down rain that you hear on the windows and on the ceiling That just makes you want to curl up and take a nap always happens when I'm busy And by the time I actually I'm done like in the evening It stops raining And like why couldn't the rain have happened in a more convenient time for me to enjoy it? Right exactly Yeah, but with that rain cloud Yeah You know, what the heck think of tom's, you know, free time and act accordingly Stop being some selfish sky. So well, no, no, I'm with you though You know in a perfect world. So yesterday was like This rental rain For rental rain. Yeah, it was for a while and and you know, that's fine But I mean, hey, we work from home. So I don't have too much to complain about You know, I had to dart to the corner store, you know a couple times and got really wet We're not trying to compare our weather with yours. Okay The worst weather we get it the northeast has been pummeled by snow Absolutely not as a competition. It was no more of a colloquial Story that we're telling right now. Yeah, this is like this is the tale of a woman who does know an umbrella Yeah, and like now my street's flooded. This is great. You know, we're not used to this. It's all relative But I was thinking yesterday, you know, even though I had some stuff to do But it didn't really required me to be out in the rain If this could just happen again on saturday, yeah, right, I'd be so happy, you know, because I would just be like the jamma day Order some indian food and just ride it out It's never the way though. No, no Well, you know, we'll we'll get there eventually We'll be able to control the weather. Yeah, I guess so I mean, we maybe not You know, you know, someone hey Cortana make it rain And then suddenly money falls and you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, I met actual Nichols quarters outside outside Make it rain dollar bills Not no, no Not in my own living room outside Well, um Dropbox sure didn't take off, didn't it? It's always hard to tell I the reason I didn't include that in our update is like That stuff can be gone by tomorrow I know by the time someone listens to our episode Dropbox may be back down 35% you just never know I know I know I'm um at least I had a good first day I you know Dropbox is uh, you know of all the ipos You know sometimes, you know an ipo makes a lot more sense to me than the next one Dropbox makes a lot of sense to me as an ipo, you know and has for sometimes So the fact that it's you know enjoyed a nice surge on its first day not a surprise. But yeah, let's talk in like four weeks Well, a lot of times Stocks that that end up doing really well like facebook's tank after their ipo, right? It just doesn't really mean much what it does on the first day It really doesn't bragging rights and Feeling good and all that well, you know a lot of like I mean I don't I actually don't know anybody who works at Dropbox that I can think of That would be legacy enough to you know have a lot of stock You know in something like this, but There's so much lock up to you know involved in in in you know people being like, oh if you work at Dropbox now You're a millionaire. It's like It's very complicated based on the structures of you know each company how how that actually plays out for people especially during um You know waiting periods So, you know again like kind of just hard to know how it shakes out Because it's just volatile at the beginning All right, folks. Uh, well everyone send jolly roger on twitter some well wishes That is back. It gets healed quick And uh, we will be back on monday talking crypto. I'm very excited to have Laura shin on the show See you guys later. Have a great weekend