 Everybody, thanks for coming. Yeah, well, welcome everybody. So I'm just, I want my, there we go. So co-op versus work integrated learning. So historically, we've always referred to this program as co-op. Everyone still refers to it anecdotally as co-op. But it's actually a bit of a misnomer for the program that we have here at Emily Carr. So we're kind of trying to shift the language to work integrated learning. That is a better description, and that's the way that the nomenclature is moving kind of in this field. So basically what we have that we have previously called the co-op program is defined as work experience or field placement. We're kind of like a combo of those two things. So that's just a first little thing. OK, how does it work? So these work experience opportunities allow you to earn credits towards your degree. So theoretically, you are working in your degree area and you are earning credits while you're doing that. During the course of your degree, you can take up to nine credits of work integrated learning slash co-op credits. That's the most that you can do. The work terms can be part-time or full-time, and they run up to 12 weeks. So they kind of run over the course of a semester. They can be less and they can be more, but generally they run full-time or part-time for 12 weeks. The way that the hours of work break down is that 96 hours of work equal three credits. So double that is six credits, and triple that is nine credits. You don't have to do nine credits all at once. Like you could do three three credit co-ops, or you could do one six credit co-op slash will, and then one three and one six. So you can sort of combine those in whatever way works for you. And also, you could be working, say, in the summer, a full-time job. That doesn't mean that you need to propose nine credits. You could actually just propose three. It's whatever works for your academic planning. Just so you know, these credits would replace an open elective or an open studio. Unfortunately, they can't replace critical studies. I know, but that's just the way that one is. Eligibility. So in order to be eligible for the program, you have to have a minimum GPA of 3.0. So that's a good reason to keep your GPA up. You have to have finished all of your second year courses. So you could theoretically, for those of you that are in second year or in foundation, you could do your first placement in the summer after you finish second year. So you don't have to be in third year. You must have the available credits in order for me to place these will co-op credits into. So the type that I mentioned earlier, open studio, open elective. So if you've already used all of those up, then I won't have anywhere to place these credits, if that makes sense. The work is related, should be related to your degree in order to qualify. And you must be mentored by a professional in that field. So what I mean by that is that say you're in Comdy and you get some work creating a logo for a bakery and you're reporting to the owner of the bakery. That would be a great job experience, certainly great to put on your resume. However, it wouldn't qualify for work integrated learning credits because a baker, a professional baker can't mentor somebody in Comdy. They don't know anything about it. So if you were working for a PR manager or the head of marketing and you were doing Comdy, that would totally qualify. So hopefully that makes sense. Even though that person isn't a designer themselves, it's totally related to your degree and in reality with your Comdy degree, you could very well go work for a PR firm. So that would qualify. If you had any, if you weren't sure, if you got something and you weren't sure, just reach out to us. We're happy to look at it. And I mean, I've had students in Comdy do a work integrated learning placement at like say, artist-run center for media. And because we're a multidisciplinary university, sometimes we can make that work. So as long as it's in a creative field and you're being mentored by someone who is a professional in that creative field, if that makes sense. I always just mention that if you're an international student and you have a study permit and your work permit is related to that, then obviously you have to make sure that you're not exceeding the hours on the terms of that permit. So I would just double check. I mean, generally those are that you can work up to 20 hours in the fall and spring or full time in the summer. So just because this is work for credit, it still counts as work towards that permit. So just bear that in mind. Okay, so you want to participate, you meet the eligibility. These are the three ways that you can participate. If you are currently already employed and you meet the criteria that I've covered, then you can propose this position for work integrated learning credits. It doesn't matter. Somebody, I had a student who'd worked there for two years, that's totally fine. You would just do a snapshot of the, say it was gonna be in spring of the upcoming semester 12 weeks and you would run just those 12 weeks of your current job as work integrated learning credits. So that would be fine. If you are familiar with arts work, that's our online opportunities board. And maybe Jeff can put the link in the chat for anybody that's not familiar with it yet. You can apply directly to positions there that are listed as work integrated learning. I think the categories on arts work are co-ops internships work study. So any of those would qualify. Any of the positions that we are aware of all go up on arts work. So that's somewhere you definitely want to look. You can filter by those co-ops internships work study, but I would also suggest that you don't filter, that you look at the positions anyway, because there are positions up there that the employer doesn't necessarily realize it qualifies, but it would. So just think about that criteria I already covered. And also you might want to check in with us if you're really not sure, just write us a quick email with the link and say, hey, would this position qualify for work integrated learning credits? You can also find your own position outside of our opportunities board. You can just go do your own search. And if you think that it met that criteria, again, you can just go ahead and propose that. So once you've got the position is the point at which you would submit your proposal. So I'm just going to go here. Yeah, I think I said that already. Yeah, so this little statement in quotes down here, students must be currently enrolled in degree program and or returning to school. Usually that is just an automatic indicator that it would qualify for work integrated learning credits. That language or language like that are good things to look for if you're doing your own search or if you're not sure if it qualifies. And just as a side note, many employers receive funding from the federal government or there is some provincial funding to run a job as a co-op or slash work integrated learning. And those are just things to keep in mind, too. They would have this kind of language on it. So they need to hire a co-op student or the equivalent, which in our case would be work integrated learning. Other places you can look for jobs. This is just a few. I'm not really going to go into job search strategies right now. There's a really good handout on our resources on Arts Work called How to Find Work, which goes through a lot of job search strategies. You can also book an appointment with our office and we can come up with a plan for you together. I can do an advising session with you. But these are good place to start. OK, so how do I start? This you've already done. You're attending our info sessions. You can make advising appointments. You want to get your package ready. I've listed the resources, which are good for these stages of getting ready to participate in work integrated learning. So you want to talk to us, get your package together, start applying for jobs. Then once you obtain a position, that's when you want to submit the proposal form. That's proposal form, by the way, the handout that we put in the chat at the very, very top. The last two pages of that handout are the proposal form. So you can find it there. You can also email us anytime and just say, oh, I found a job. Can you send me the proposal form? And we can do that. Or it's on Arts Work Under Resources. If you're in that scenario that I already covered and you are already working in an eligible job, the only thing you need to do is get approval from your employer to run it as a work integrated work term. And the way that I would do that really is just say, hey, I just found out I can get credit for my work here. Do you have any objection to me running from January to the end of March as a work integrated learning term? And if they say, well, what does that mean to me? It doesn't mean that much. It's not a lot of commitment from the employer. They're already supervising you as an employee, so they would just continue to do that. And they would have one report to fill out at the end of term that they would have to submit. And it really, it might take them 10 minutes. So it's not a lot of work for them to approve you running that term of work that you're already doing for them for credit. So if they say yes, then you would just then fill out the form and submit it to myself or you can just submit it to co-op at ecuad.ca. How long does it take? You know, it really depends. This is a bit of an extreme example of how long it would take. It depends how much work you wanna put into it, but my suggestion is that rather than cram all this work into a short period of time, it's better to do it in like little chunks over time. So say I'm in second year and it's coming towards the end of the fall term and I wanna get something for this summer. I wanna placement this summer that I'm gonna run for credit. So it's good to think of fall as a preparation term, do the research on the companies, look at ArtsWorks, see what's out there. Some summer internships actually advertise their openings in November, the year before. So it's good to remember that. But some, like we're seeing opportunities for spring go up now as well. So it's kind of all over the map. But preparing your draft application package does take a long time. So it's good to kind of work on it, maybe come in and see us in the office. We can do an advising session, make it really strong, work on it some more. So you're kind of not trying to do this all, the day before a job is closing, right? So yeah, in the spring you would start your job search. You wanna definitely customize your application for each job that you apply for and you start applying. And then you'd get your proposal in, hopefully towards the end of spring and then you'd be all ready to go for summer. Like I said, it can take a full semester. So there's no such thing as starting too early. These are just an example of some of the placements that have taken place in the past, just to give you a little idea and some of them happen regularly. I think we just put one up there for Industrial Light and Magic, which is a brand new internship program, but it's actually for fourth years. It's a little bit different from work integrated learning, but it's still a great opportunity. So this is just a snapshot. There's tons up there all the time, just go look at art's work. Okay, so you've got a position now, what? So yeah, we've covered this already, but what happens with this proposal form is that it comes to me in the Career Development and Will Office. I review it. Sometimes I get back to you if I think that we can strengthen it a little bit because ultimately this proposal form is gonna go to your dean for approval. So you kind of wanna, when you're filling it out, fill it out with that kind of an academic voice because these credits replace a course, you're really justifying why this work is just as valuable as a course. That's usually the sort of mindset you wanna be in when you're filling it out. Once I get approval back from the dean, I go ahead and register you in your credits. You don't have to register yourself. Once I've registered you, you get an email saying that, yeah, you're approved. Make sure you go and pay your credits. And I also send you the report templates and the deadlines for when you have to turn in your reports. And I'll talk about reports in a minute. Oh, actually I'm talking about them now, now that I look at the same thing. During the course of your placement, you do submit two reports. One's a midterm and one gets turned in at the end of the term. And there's a log book, which is basically like it says week one and you put in the date and then it says number of hours worked and you write down 20 hours that I worked this week. And then you do like a very short point form summary of what you did that week. Like I met the team and I started to research past projects or whatever, just something very short. And that's due at the end of the term. And then the comprehensive report is due midterm and it's not really that comprehensive. So don't be worried about that. It's one to two pages double spaced where you just summarize what you've done so far, what you've learned and how it's going for you in your position so far. And that you turn into us midterm. At the end of the term, the evaluation goes to your employer and I talked about that already. They basically fill out a short evaluation that summarizes the work that you did for them that term. At the end, all that paperwork comes back to me. I review it and I send it back to your dean for grading. They get back to me and say, yeah, that looks good to go. And then I go ahead and put in your grade, which incidentally is a credit or no credit. You don't get a mark on these credits so they don't affect your GPA in any way. For anyone who has any thoughts in this direction, the only reason really that you wouldn't get credit for your co-op is if you didn't show up for work or your company just went out of business halfway through your placement, something along those lines. So the evaluation that we get from your employer does not impact whether or not you get credit, just so you know. There's, it's been very rare. Whoops, somehow I went backwards. Okay, so what are your responsibilities during the placement? We do send out terms and conditions when you are approved. So you should be familiar with those. There's also some partner responsibilities that you should be familiar with. If there's any employment contract between you and the employer, like outside of the paperwork to do with Emily Carr, just make sure that you're aware of the content. Sometimes there's a non-disclosure agreement or confidentiality agreements, things like that. So just be very aware of what's in the employer's contract. If you have to sign one and make sure that you're abiding by what you've signed there. You should also be familiar with the Emily's A to Z, just the student policies and regulations. The other thing that's important to know is that during your placement, we're here for you in this office. If you encounter any difficulties or you're unsure of anything or you think you need any support, just reach out to us. Anything that you come to talk to me about or anyone in our office would be confidential and we're here to support you through your term. Some just usual FAQs. Can I do one outside of Vancouver? Yeah, absolutely. That's no problem. Some of you might not be in Vancouver right now or some people might be heading home or somewhere else for the summer. If you find a placement there, you can absolutely do a placement and get credit for it there. You just have to make sure that it matches all the same criteria. And in terms of insurance, I just put this in here because anyone working in BC, if you're hired by an employee, you're covered by WorkSafe BC insurance. So if you're outside of BC, there may be insurance implications that you wanna be aware that if you were injured on the job, you're not gonna be covered by WorkSafe BC. So just remember that. And I also add that sometimes when people head out of town and do their placement somewhere else, when I email them about their reports, they're lost in space. Like I just can't seem to get a hold of them. So it's really important that you stay a little bit plugged in and make sure that you're aware of your reporting deadlines and you get those reports in on time. If you've got a freelance position, can that be considered? I would say generally no, but we have had some scenarios where it works. If you're working on a project by someone who can offer mentorship, then it might work. Just come and talk to us. Are they paid? Absolutely, they should be. And if somebody comes to me, an employer and wants me to post a job that's unpaid, then we don't post them. We won't support advertising those placements. However, some students, if they wanna self-identify that they wanna do volunteer work and it is related to their degree, then I'm not gonna throw up a barrier either. We can treat it just like a paid placement. Might wanna still think about that insurance piece because if you are not being paid, then you wouldn't be covered by WorkSafe BC. And if you were injured on the job site that you might not have insurance. So just something to keep in mind. Do I pay for my credits? Yes, you do. But right now these credits cost 25% less than regular credits. So if you're an international student, that's actually quite a significant savings. That's my presentation. So at this point, thanks everyone for listening to me. It's like my first presentation virtually, so hopefully I did okay. And I think I'm gonna invite Jeff Malick and Shannon McKinnon into the conversation. And we can start working through some of the questions that are in the chat. Hi. Hi everyone. Shannon. Go ahead, Jeff. Okay, so we actually had quite a busy chat. So let's start at the top. Now, I didn't say one thing before we start the chat. It's because it's not, the question is in here. And it was one of the things that Gislaine and I put this presentation together before and we should have mentioned in it. Another place that you can find will opportunities is on campus. So say if you get an RA shift with health and design or you get an RA shift with living labs or the Shumka Center, good media lab, also with Keith Doyle down in Material Matters, those quite often will qualify for will credits as well. Okay, so I just wanted to say that before we move on to the questions. So that's another good place to look for opportunities, okay, is around campus. And we advertise those usually, if not go and talk to the directors of those areas and see if they have anything going on. And I'm going to admit Yumi, who is late. Wait, welcome. Okay, so Jeff, go ahead. Okay, so first of all, I did notice that the information, co-op information for students wasn't visible to students that came in after I first posted it. It has been reposted again just now. So everybody should have that in the chat at the, except for this new person. But yeah, everybody should have that at the bottom of their chat. But I'm happy to start with some of these questions. Just laying the first question really would be if students were late, will they have access to this information or the slideshow later? Yes, we're going to post it on the web. I'm not sure when that will happen, but yes, you will. Or you can always make an appointment to come and see me and I can go through it with you in a virtual advising appointment. We have a few questions regarding international students and their eligibility. First, do international students require co-op permit for the work of integrated learning? I don't believe they would because it would just be part of your regular work permit, which would allow you up to 20 hours in the fall and spring and up to 40 hours in the summer. I will also add that in this office, we're not legally able to advise you on work permit matters. You need a certification for that. So anything I say around these is really just anecdotal. You need to check the terms of your own work permit. A co-op work permit, as I understand it, is if you are actually going to take an entire term off to do a full-time position in the spring or fall. That's my understanding of that type of permit because a typical co-op program would run a full-time entire semester as a work term. That's not how our program runs. As I mentioned at the beginning, it's more of a combination of work experience and a field placement rather than a traditional co-op program. So that nomenclature of a co-op permit, I think refers more to a traditional co-op program. The other thing is if you have questions about your work permit, you should talk to Atilia in the international office. So she has a certification, which we don't, to advise on that. Are we still recording? I thought we weren't going to record it. No, we're recording. I'll be editing out the questions, I believe. Can international students apply for a co-op and do so without changing it to a school credit? No, that's kind of a, okay, I'm going to answer that in two ways. So you can apply for a job, that's no problem. You don't have to run every job as a co-op. However, if something's been advertised as a co-op and then you may have to run it as a co-op. So whether you're an international student or not. So it really depends on the position and what the employer has designated that position as. And their funding. As I mentioned, some employers have funding that is contingent on the student running that work as a co-op or work integrated learning. So in those cases, you would have to run it or you would have to decline the job or, you know, so, and whether you are international or not wouldn't impact that. Hopefully I've answered that question. I think this is kind of connected, but I just want you to reiterate on the point of if international students only have a study permit, but not a work permit, are we still able to do work integrated learning so long as it's within the limit? I'm going to have to refer that question to Otilia. I'm not really, like I said, I'm not legally able to advise on work permit matters. So I think that's a question for Otilia in the international office. Can work integrated learning during the summer count as credits for the following school term? Yes. What do you mean? Yes. Sorry. Yes. Those credits, it doesn't matter where they are. They fall in. So when you receive the credit, sometimes if you only have electives left in your fourth year, that'll bump forward to those. Oh, I see. But if you're talking about in the fall, if you can only take a maximum, say of 15 credits or 18 credits, and in the case of co-op, you can only take 50, you can only take a maximum of 15 credits that semester with co-op credits because it counts a studio. And as you know, you can only take a certain amount of studio credits mixed with your academics. So then it wouldn't, if it's taken in the summer, no, it wouldn't count towards, it wouldn't count towards your fall credits. And I just want to add that there is a studio overload date after which point you could increase your number of studio credits. But I mean, you can't overload your credits like you could with any other course with co-op. And you can't work in the summer and then register in work-integrated learning credits in the fall. The hours that you work, the proposal should be submitted before those hours begin. You can't submit a co-op proposal for work that's already taken place in the past. Either. So you still have to be within your limit of credits per term. Yeah. Okay. I'm gonna move to the next part. I'm gonna read the next question. Do you have more info about Artists Apprenticeship Program and how it relates to Will? The Artists Apprenticeship Program was actually thought up in our office and it was great because Shemka was able to get some funding through RBC for that. And you can definitely use those. We thought of this because there was a lack of co-ops that were happening with Artists Apprenticeships due to the fact that a lot of artists didn't have money to pay for students, pay their wages. So what we did is we came up with this idea that we would try to somehow secure funding so that students would be paid and get that experience. You can absolutely use those experiences for work-and-trade learning credits. And I think that answer is a new question. Jam in the Shemka Center is, has the Artists Apprenticeship Network postings and I've seen the call go out for artists, mentors. And so I would keep your eye on Art's work for the call for the student participants. Yeah, it's a great, it's a great program. Yeah. Okay, Jeff, next? I'm graduating this spring and if I do a co-op in the spring and if I want to do will with that co-op, could it substitute a second year elective course I left out? Officially no, because it only replaces third and fourth year open electives and open studio. You could ask your Dean with an exception from the Dean then we could process it that way. I just, I'm not sure if, you know, I don't know what the Dean will say, but you're always welcome with anything to send an email to your Dean and ask if they would make an exception. So the answer is maybe with Dean approval, yes. Okay, Jeff? So we've registered to courses already, fourth year student, would be finishing these credits up in the upcoming semester, I'm understanding. Would I have to drop them first to register for these will credits? No, you don't have to drop them, but you'd want, here's the thing, ad drop is a date that we can't do anything about. I have no control over removing that date for anybody. Once ad drop has passed, you can't drop courses. So you'd want to have your position and get your proposal in pretty quick. Once I've had eyes on the proposal, I can tell you whether you're approved. I don't even have to wait for the Dean's approval because we have a sense, we know what the Dean's gonna approve and what they're not gonna approve. And if it meets the criteria, then there's no reason it wouldn't be approved. So as soon as I get the proposal, then I can say, yeah, go ahead and drop your courses before ad drop. If you submit your proposal after ad drop, then you wouldn't be able to drop the courses. So you just want to keep that in mind. Here's another question. Does the no grade on co-op look bad for grad school applications? Can I answer this one? Yeah. Okay. No, it doesn't look bad at all. If anything, it doesn't affect your GPA. So it's a credit or no credit. So it won't have any impact on your GPA. But what it does is it actually looks good because it's shown that you've had some, so when you're applying to school, they see that you've, to grad school, they see that you've done co-ops. It shows that you've done, it's almost extracurricular activity in a way. And it's shown that you also were a good enough student to be able to do that because you have to have that GPA of 3.0 or above. And it's the same for going on exchange, right? So it's good. It's actually good for an application. Did you have anything further to say to that, Joseline? No, no, exactly. It's just like, you know, some people take a lecture series as a course in it. It doesn't have credit assigned to it. It's just a participation. So it doesn't in any way look bad. It looks good, I agree with you. Could I get a, could I still do co-op if I've completed all of my open studio courses? Do you have any open electives left? I would say that occasionally there's been a scenario where somebody secures a position that the employer must run as a co-op and they don't have any credits left. Sometimes in those situations, we have recommended the student do credits in excess of their degree. It kind of sucks because you do still have to pay for them, but some students have done that because they don't want to, they really, really want the connections and the experience of the position. So yeah, if you've already got all of your credits and you don't have any left, then I would say there's not much advantage unless it's that scenario that I just described. Sometimes a position doesn't have to be run as work integrated learning or co-op. So then I would sort of say to the student, there's no benefit to you running it that way because you're just gonna have to pay for credits you don't need. You know, if you wanted to come in and talk to me too with an individual situation, I can advise you as well and give you customized advice on that one. Go ahead, Jeff. Okay, I'm gonna read this question. And I'm gonna answer it, it's from Graham Camel. No, I'm answering it. If you have to sign an NDA, non-disclosure agreement as part of your employment, would you have to redact parts of your logbook? I hope to get it in the right placement. You could just be general in your logbook. We don't need specifics. We don't need names of shows. You could just talk about the technical aspects of the work, you know, and like we laid down the voice tracks or we mixed this or, you know, like you just, you could just be non-specific. I would also welcome any student in this situation to talk to their employer and you could even show your report to them before you submit it to me and just say, is this okay? Just tell me if anything needs to be redacted from here. We could have a conversation about it too. We have a question from somebody that worked in China during COVID. I believe this doubles up in our email and we are going to be answering that as well through pop email. I have the contract, proved my work. How can I transfer these to credits? Unfortunately, you can't apply for credits for work hours you've already completed. The proposal has to be submitted before the work term or the hours that you're going to ask for credit for take place. So we can't do it retroactively for hours that were worked last summer, unfortunately. If I apply, well, we will follow up by email for that question as well. If I apply for co-op at the end of November and request a work integrated learning, work request, work integrated learning for the spring, is it too late? No, November is great. The co-op deadline actually, and Jeff could put this in the chat is, it's in the beginning of the spring semester. It's January 7th, Thursday, but that's the deadline. You could submit before that and you can submit after that too. Like say you would only find a position in February, you can still submit a co-op proposal. You just can't drop courses to make room for those credits. But I'll take late proposals anytime and I try and make it work with myself, the student and the dean. If you've got room in your schedule to do it and then we're fine with that, we're really flexible. It's really, we're really here to try to facilitate this. And I also wanted to touch back based on the person who worked in China over the COVID, that's really unfortunate. But in the future, and this is to everyone, if you think that you might have a work opportunity to work overseas or you're gonna be away somewhere or you're working from home in another country, just get that application into us right away. We don't necessarily have to process it. We can hold it for you too until you decide that you wanna process that. So, but it's just a really, it's unfortunate. If we had have known about you working in China, we would have been able to bring even a late application in and say, we knew about this was happening and this student is now wants to get credit for it. And here's the application. So, because we have to talk to the dean about it, right? So, another question, do opportunities to work under art educators count if it's within your area of interest or interest, your interest in a study? Absolutely, that'd be great. Sorry, just moving on. I'm a fourth year student. If I can take full-time job as working degree and learning during the spring, would I have to take the term off? It depends how many credits you apply for for, I mean, that's a bit of an academic advisor question too. Obviously, it would impact your graduation date if you took the term off and you still had credits. If you work, I mean, I'm assuming you have a mandatory senior studio that you would have to take in the spring. I would really recommend you make an appointment with academic advising to talk to them about that. But, students do take a semester off to do a full-time placement. That does happen sometimes. It just means that it impacts your graduation date. So, and you could take up to nine credits for that full-time work. So, you could do that if you wanted to, but like I said, there would be an impact on when you would fall behind your cohort. Last question that I believe hasn't been answered is so in arts work, when someone comes across a job position, it says co-op, does it need to be done as a co-op slash work integrated learning? Can I just do it as a job slash internship? If I just want the experience, do I have to look for internships in arts work? Yeah, you can answer that, Shannon, go on, go for it. So, the way that, when we post it as a co-op, that means usually that the funding is connected to that position. So, you do have to do it as a co-op or if the funding is connected, like if it's, sometimes it'll say, you have to be a Canadian citizen and you have to be under a certain age. And that means that they've received their funding from the federal government. And that means that you do have to be registered in, to register for work integrated learning credits or co-op credits. If it doesn't, if it's just an internship and there doesn't seem to be anything, check with us and we can find out for you. And it's usually just tied to funding. But otherwise, we'd support it. We want you to have that experience and get jobs too. I mean, we're not gonna hold you hostage over that, so. You mind if I add, okay, what I'm posting, I do a lot of this posting on arts work. And when I find a position that is eligible for co-op, you're gonna see co-op in the, maybe not title, but you're gonna see it in the posting as something that I check on. Now, that doesn't mean that these positions have to be run that way. If you have any questions, reach out. I'll be really quick at getting back to you because I would hate for anybody to not apply for a position because they're not gonna be running it as a co-op. I also am looking for positions for you guys to have as, to just find jobs, even if you don't qualify, if you're in second year or if your GPA might not be as a 3.0. I'm looking for everybody, as well as alumni. Thanks, Jeff. That really is an important message to just, if you have any questions, just shoot us an email. Myself and Shannon and Jeff monitor that email, Jeff mostly, but we get back to people pretty quick. If you just have a quick question and don't want me to make an appointment or anything, that's absolutely fine. But if you have an individual scenario that you just wanna run by us, that's absolutely what we're here for. We're here to help you put your package together. We're here to help you with your job search. We're here to help interpret the work-integrated learning slash co-op program for you. And just answer your, any questions around employment and credit for work in your field. So remember that. We could probably stop recording now. And there was one other thing I was just gonna.