 So welcome back after the tea. I hope there are few people outside, but yes, they can come. So we have a surprise visitor and a star in the NPTEL program as we call him. Professor Madan Mukund from Chennai Mathematical Institute is here. We are very, very happy to have him here. I'm fortunate for this. So he has been one of the first people who has offered a course on NPTEL on Python programming. So his courses on PDSA using Python and Design Analysis of Algorithms, in fact, have been running for five times now, sixth time we are rerunning it. So one of the things I really enjoy is, and what he also never objects to is, we never ask him for permission. All other faculty will say, can we please rerun your course next semester and all. For him always the mails go, this is where information we've already added it to the list. So he has no choice literally but to run the courses. I want to say that he has a fantastic team of TAs also in his institute and in fact, if people have done the Python course, you can see that every day you get about 200 posts on that forum. It'll be individual thing people are asking, doubts, coding, whatever, and it's always answered. We've never had anything that says that course had a problem. We don't ever have to remind him on deadlines, assignment has not come forum, not answered something, nothing ever. One of the smooth sailing professors that we have. So we are very fortunate to have him here, and he's also one of the stars in the sense that his courses get the maximum registrations also. In fact, I think this time, the enrollment data, this course is topping the charts probably and consistently has done so. We see exam registrations of 3,000, 4,000, 5,000 happening every semester. So we hope the numbers are going to go up. So I'm really happy to have him here with us today, and I'd like him to actually say a few words. Thank you, Barthi. So it's a pleasant coincidence that I happened to be in IIT this weekend when Barthi told me that she was here and this event was happening and I was free. I was very happy to take part. As a matter of fact, she will know that I was in Chennai and I missed the Chennai event. So just to make up for that at least. So I'm actually very happy to be involved with NPTEL. I teach in a very specialized, small-scale teaching institute, and this gives me at least one opportunity to reach out to a much larger audience of students and hopefully share some of whatever I have to say. But more than anything else, I think that it's a general problem. I think as a community, we have I think too few institutions given the population of students who need to access them. I think the only realistic solution given the timeframes that we're talking about is to apply this online mass learning. Now there are many challenges of course. One is of course that the style of learning is very different when you're not interacting with the teacher and I cannot possibly hope to interact with all the students who take my courses on a daily basis. So there is a multiple levels of interaction. Of course, the model with the college chapters which NPTEL has built up, which gives one level of at least immediate feedback. But more than anything else, I think it's the quality of the experience of the student that should be taken into account. So they should feel as though it's a real course in the sense that they can ask questions and get their difficulties cleared, ask for clarifications, also point out if there are mistakes. There are always going to be some small mistakes, hopefully not big mistakes. So all these things I think matter and the students should also feel involved. It's not just something happening. It's not just like reading a textbook. I mean, that's the other model of learning on your own. You just read a textbook and you have nobody to ask. So these are all the various things that go on. As Bharti said, I've been offering these courses now for the last two or three years on a regular basis. Most of the work that I put in is to just redesign the evaluations and as she said, I'm very fortunate that I have been able to get some very motivated students from my Institute to monitor and respond to all the queries on the forum. So that is really the major chunk of work for running a course is actually done by them. But one of the challenges which I face, and this is something maybe I don't know how to resolve this which is specific to my courses, is that I think both, I mean Python in particular, but also algorithms which is my other course. I think there has to be some programming component to appreciate at least a programming course. This is one of the challenges on these platforms. In general, it's a challenge how to evaluate, because you can only set certain kinds of questions in an automatic exam. Because obviously if there are thousands of students writing the thing, and you need to respond in a timely manner, I cannot be reading through lots of essays of how to solve a problem. So I can only ask certain kinds of questions. But in particular, programming is a problem, because the NPTEL platform actually offers a nice programming environment to ask assignments and all that. But if you want an exam platform like the ION platform, it does not have at this time a good programming thing. So this is something that we are still working to fix. And I would like to have your thoughts maybe some of you on what do you think is a good way to do this in an effective manner. So, and anything else. I mean, so I don't have much to say actually on my own. I would rather get feedback or questions or suggestions or anything, criticism, anything that you have to say regarding these courses, because I think I suppose some of you are familiar with these courses that I have run and in general most of you are familiar with NPTEL courses. So if there's anything that you feel that from the teaching perspective, because it's a very different style as I said, that you feel can be done better, I think that would be a good place to start. Yeah, so I should also mention by the way that in terms of feedback, so NPTEL sends out a feedback form, right? So typically as Barthi said, so as of today there are 37,300 students registered for Python or something like that. Typically this number will come down to maybe one third, maybe 10,000 will start the first week. But still there are about 34,000 who write the exam. And would you like to estimate how many people answer that feedback form? So out of those 37,000 who start and over 4,000 who write the exam, I typically get about 150 responses. So there's a real serious lack of feedback in that sense. So every time I look through it and then I'm most disappointed because and most of the feedback also doesn't say much. So it's, but it's quite remarkable that nobody says anything. So I hear one or two, I mean, I meet people like in meetings like this and they tell me something or on a typical course, maybe two people will write me an email saying about something. But this is the level, I mean, two out of thousands. So that's why I mean, in such a forum, hopefully if you have interacted with students or you yourself have something it would be nice to get feedback. You can record wherever they are or you want them to come forward for the, wherever it is. No, for them to talk and for us to record. They will come here, okay. So we would like to hear from all of you, the new SPOCs to the old SPOCs. If you all have queries, I will answer it a little later. First I want the feedback about the courses from those who have already done it to come forward. Good afternoon all. My name is Rajkumar Paar. I'm working in Garden and Stop Technology. Sir, thank you very much for providing a Python programming course because Mumbai University just started Python in the syllabus and my students are very much happy with that course. Even though the Python programming compiler and the interpreter both are working very nicely for the programming test and students are very much happy. They are learning many good things from the Python and they are scoring in the subject. Thank you very much sir. Second, I have one request because my student also very much interested with iMAD course, Introduction to Modern Application Development. And this course having the highest registration I think that is 1.5 lakhs. I think overall we have surpassed it here. But this time this course is not running. Yes, next on the step we are bringing it back in rejuvenated avatar. We are redoing the whole content. We are bringing in a little more companies. We are changing the layout of the program and the course is coming back. Thank you very much. Jan, it should be back. Next ma'am, on the mobile videos are not visible and the assignments cannot be submitted like that. Assignment cannot be submitted. So the PWA interface, yes, will not do submissions. We don't have a right feature on the PWA currently. But videos are visible. If you play the video, the video does play. Students are just complaining about this. If you have a specific course, you give me the course, we can then check. But they should have logged in. The PWA interface, you have to have logged in. Otherwise you can't see it. It's the same like what we do on the online courses portal, right? So they have to go here, they have to log in. My courses will come. Then under my courses, you can see videos. So give me a specific course or if it's an August 27th course, maybe the content itself is not available on our portal. So tell me which course is it? What is it that we can just check? Because we've already checked. I think it's working. If there's something specific, we'll look at it. Yeah, I will look on that. Then ma'am, about exam difficulties. You are increasing exam difficulty. My students many times ask, how can I write the exam on my pass? Because these are the IIT professors taught this course and the IIT professors are conducting the examinations. So I am convincing the students, it's very easy to pass, but it's very difficult to score the examination in that way. So many students are passed. And in between the 60 to 70, 80, very few students got the gold medal and the topper. There is no topper from my college, but many students are got gold medals. So please don't keep, it's my request a negative marking, ma'am. Yeah. Yeah, so I think my feeling is that that's probably the best solution. Because of course, 25 marks come from the regular assignments and all that, where one part of it is of course, the student is regular and that's it, but it's also very difficult. This is going back to my question about the programming thing. See what we find is, and I have this experience not just from NPTEL, but from other things. I also do the computing Olympiad for schools, which is that unfortunately, if you have an exam in which you don't have an exam like environment where somebody is actually invigilating, it's very hard to enforce that students work individually without help from each other. And it's particularly difficult if it's an online kind of thing, because they can also take, I mean, people actually post questions on, you know, a stack exchange. And so it's very, from our side, it's very discouraging. As you see that, you know, students are not even trying to solve the problem, you know, that they are actually first, first option is to ask for somebody's help. And coming back to that, therefore these 25 marks, essentially we do have no way of monitoring as instructors or as NPTEL as to who's solving those 25 marks. So I think my feeling is that the better solution is to have overall 40 plus some minimum threshold in the exam to make sure that when they do the exam on their own also, because coming back to the difficulty level, I mean, I follow and I think it's a general instruction which goes out, which is to try and have a substantial overlap between the assignments and the exam. So in that sense, if people have really done the exam assignments and the quizzes and all properly, they should be able to solve large fractions of the exam. It's not unfamiliar. So I don't think that the exams are designed to be, you know, like it's not like JEE or something, it's not designed to eliminate, it's designed to include. So I don't think that that is a real fear if the student has been actually doing the things. But those who have not been doing the things, I think they might find it obvious. So any suggestions? Can we take this discussion a little more? We want to hear about, say, the three things that we are now saying. One, we can either do a negative marking or we can raise our cutoff to 45 or 50 or we can have an absolute cutoff in the exam front that we say you score at least so much like I explained and then you get it in. What is your general feedback about any suggestions here? I think I am agree with him that we can not cite the negative marking, but you can improve the passing criteria. Difficulty level can be increased. From 40 to 45, it will be okay. Difficulty level can be increased. Maybe some students will be discouraged due to that, maybe. Possibilities are there. So instead of negative marking, we can improve the 45 marks cutoff for the passing. Absolutely. Just a minute. Last question, ma'am. Excuse me. If student is learning in translation, it is in Marathi available. If students learning the technology in Marathi, then is it possible to give the examination in Marathi? Thank you, ma'am. And Dr. Ajit Sunil from MES College of Engineering Pune. So basically many of my students also, they ask me about the negative marking, but many of the students itself and the faculty, they told negative marking is good because, yeah, yeah, because they want to, because this is a very different certificate, they were telling. One more thing, it was there, when students, they were asking me, sir, what benefit we are going to get from this? So actually, it is not written anywhere that if you complete this course with certificate, that you'll be benefited from this side or you will get a company. Because students nowadays engineering, they are doing for some 80% students, they are doing for work. Other, they will go for MS. So many questions, they had asked me like this. So what I told them, I'll just go and ask them. So it was a nice platform over here. Thank you. Probably, him to give a feedback on how that feedback. Would you have any more questions? Students appearing for interviews with M.T.T. and P.T.K. Yes. Regarding this course itself, programming using Python, means six months back, one company was there for recruitment in our college and that company, electronics and telecommunication engineering students were appearing for that. So they asked which programming, do you know Java? Java was not in the curriculum of our university. What else programming language you know? So few students who completed this programming in Python, they said, I know Python. So they were surprised and their students were benefited by knowing that Python. And NPTEL was the only way by which the students were knowing Python. And this is how they get benefited out of these NPTEL courses. Yeah, so one of the things, the use of NPTEL courses today if we can say, if the university has adopted it for credit transfer, it becomes a direct thing into their credit which goes. So for that, they do the courses. Second one is, I have seen in Intanshala, we have facilitated, we have partnered with Intanshala to provide for internships if required. Or many students are appearing for internships, they are applying for internships using our certificates because we get so many verification requests, has the student done a course with you, has the student done a course with you from them. So our certificates are being showcased as skills gotten by them when they are applying for internships. In fact, I'll give you a story that we had gone to a tire two city in Kerala, and there they have never ever had a second year student get an internship. But they did some two courses. There was one girl who had done two courses from us, Ernst and Young, she got a summer internship with them because of this. It might be one case, but it is slowly happening. So. What I was just requesting you that because as to your, I think he's asking about advertising it. I think advertising, yeah. Advertising, yeah. Engineering we require be. So if I'm completing this NPTEL courses, something should be mentioned over there. No, so is it possible to, for some of these companies, I mean if we get this feedback, I guess what he's asking is, maybe we won't get a commitment, future commitment that this company will hire people based on this, but you can get some past testimonials saying that these people having done NPTEL courses on the basis of this, they were made offers in these companies. So we have a page on our NPTEL in the media. In fact, we have archived all the Cora posts. So if you go to Cora today, NPTEL is there a lot? None of it, we have responded from our side. I just keep watching what people talk about NPTEL. And a lot of them actually say that on NPTEL certificate basis, I got jobs. There are even people who have written, I went to an interview, he asked me this that he was not impressed and I showed him three certificates. Next half an hour of the interview was on my NPTEL courses and certificates. I came out with a job. This is on Cora posted by somebody not by us. So. Many posts are there like this. But what I meant to say that even students, they, when they start doing this, they, some motto should be there that if I complete this course, surely I will get a good company and all like this. That is a little hard, sir. We are currently an education course providing platform. But this platform. That's why we are starting with the industry associate program and we want to close that gap. In fact, one of the announcements that Infosys is gonna come up, they've already signed the MOU with us is for offsite recruitment, they definitely want to use NPTEL courses. And they have said that anybody completing a programming course, it can be Python, C, C++, whatever. And a DBMS course from the NPTEL platform and getting more than 60% in both will be eligible for an interview with them for recruitment. So that's a thing that has already come. Publicity yet has to happen for that. So we're waiting for that. It is coming on paper. Miss, it is coming now. It will come. So we're waiting for the publicity on that. TCS Ignite again is an offshoot of TCS company. They have a program for arts and science colleges alone. So they take only arts and science graduates, not the engineering graduates. So they have also said, if any of the programming courses and the DBMS courses done from the NPTEL platform, they normally have a screening test. They said, we'll wait the screening test. He will directly interview with us for a position. So that's something they have said, IBM we're working with to get something out. It's still in the works. We will announce shortly. So one thing we have introduced last week, if you'll have seen is to the 2.3 lakh people who certified, we have written a mail. And we are now starting a database collection from these people. Because one of the things companies want from us is even their history, geography of the candidate. 10, 12, where is graduation, what have they done? And we don't need it for our course thing. So we told them we don't have this data, but they said they want it. So we've written to all candidates and said start filling up a database for us here. Based on that, we will share data if they want. If they want to contact you, we will send. Otherwise, if they want us to advertise, you will advertise, you put it back. How it works, it works. It's coming slowly, but that's how we are proceeding. One more important thing I will tell that, my students who are going for MS, they are getting a good company over there. Miss, good university. Yes. If you have completed this course. One of my students told me, sir, just I completed this course and I was selected in so-and-so university. So it's very nice. So in fact, another example we had was, there was a student from some college, he had finished and he was working in Goldman Sachs and he had gotten an admission in CMU, Carnegie Mellon University. But one of the requisites for him to do the MS program there was he had to do a probability and statistics course. He's already graduated. He's not in a company now. He's sitting and he wanted something which is valid. So our course was open last semester. He did the course, which was the Android offered. He finished his certificate, submitted it. Then the admission actually became confirmed. So he said they really valued it. He was in fact a topper and that happened. So it's also being recognized in other places when we do something like this. In fact, many students, when they apply for abroad admissions, they tell us you directly post and send it to them because they don't accept when students send it apparently. So we are even doing that certificate. We post it, we send mails, we do all this for students to take it up. Yes, sir. I am regarding the negative marking. I believe negative marking has to be there because in order to maintain the quality, it has to be there. And what I suggest is what will happen if we keep the negative marking because whenever I was going for promotion of these courses, the first question that student asks as the course is from IIT, there must be a negative marking like gate and all. I said, no, it is not there. So they are sure that we'll get a certificate. So what I suggest is till the certification marks like 40%, there can be no negative marking once the student scoring high. So it can be put up over there. So in that way, marks range could also be maintained as well as student could get a certificate. Otherwise, what will happen if we keep directly negative marking? There will be a negative thought in a student's mind. So indirectly what will happen? Our registration rate will drop out. So if it is possible. And other thing, there is one more suggestion because I belong to civil field. So what I have seen is for, like I have been taking these courses for quite a long time. And there are some softwares, like Tab is there, Stad is there, these courses are not there. So if you could include those courses, it could be a... So typically the tools are licensed versions and belonging to a particular company. We are not trying to promote it because that's not our aim or objective at some level. So that we are not doing. But if there is something that is open source software that can be given to everybody and the tool is available, then we do. Or sometimes what happens as part of the course, the faculty shows a demo saying that there's such a tool available. If you want, you can use it. But we are not running it as a course to skill the person in that particular tool. Ma'am, actually what happens is there are so many finite element based softwares are there, like CM scale is there. These are the online cloud platform. These are also open source. If you could include these courses, I'm sure mechanical people who are sitting over here, they might also benefit from this. As well as civil engineering students. Okay, send us a request. You tell us specifically what you require. We will look into it and if they are ready to share and we can integrate, we can definitely take a look at that. Thank you. I want to say. Yes, sir. My name is Shatruna Patil from Islampur. I have got opportunity to apply for PhD in library and information science from IGNO. Where I got interview question, there I told, I have done NPTEL courses. But they are not available like science courses, but they are available in SM platform. So when I told them about these courses, I have done. So the direction of my interview goes to these courses and I have benefited from that. So it's going to be big thing for everyone of us and students also. I would like to share one more experience. One of my past students has already cleared one exam of NPTEL of computer architecture, which is a computer science course and he was the topper. So based on that score and then performance, he got invitation from IIT Delhi to do masters at IIT Delhi. So then there will be just interview and no-gate exam, but there will be one screening interview that that course has been done by you. So that interview will be related to that course only. So computer architecture, I think it was offered from IIT Delhi only. So yes, yes. So she has invited him to do the masters at IIT Delhi. But he, that students is right now in the second year. So by pass out after passing the B Tech, he will join. Is this counted while taking admission at IIT for M Tech after B? No, no, it's not official. This is a very important point because you can tell our B students, you can take n number of courses, do the courses and you go for that thing. I think you may get- No, no, no. Every IIT is independent. They have their own rules. It doesn't apply that way. Thanks a lot. So first of all, I would thankful to Bharti madam. When I came last time, I had told that nobody is aware of our nature and particularly in commerce and management. People don't know about NPTL in our area. So when we encourage kids for online course, the first difficulty is video course. How to download it, how to learn it. And there are many kids who don't have a smartphone. So it can be a problem for them how to do online course. So we have given them their lab available by downloading the video. They took their time in a lab, like there is a lecture. And they heard the videos. They discussed the difficulties and there is a language barrier. So even now, we have given nearly 200 kids an exam. And out of 200, I feel proud that we have got two students in the list of gold and your national toppers. So we are very happy that we are ready to learn some new kids. First of all, I would like to congratulate you that you have given us a very good opportunity for our kids. The second problem was the exam CT. You solved that too. There was no exam CT in Latour. But last time there were two exam centers in Latour because of which so many kids could give exams. If this exam center didn't exist, maybe even one kid wouldn't go out and give exams. Because the distance, the fees of your students, they spend more on the distance where the exam center is. So for us, we will request again that even this time the kids have enrolled. And for the exam, we also told them that last time it was here. So this is a second request that even this time you should keep the center continuous. The second is that the exam date was only one and a half. This time it has been two and a half. The number of the kids has been divided. So for the exam center, there shouldn't be a problem. We have to pay attention to this. Some kids who had given the exam for the first time online, their experience has been very good. And this time they are coming to ask us about themselves. Madam, when is the NPDL starting? When is the course going to start? Every kid, I mean, I had four or five kids like this, that I have to give four exams. Who is giving such a good course at such a low fee? Madam, IIT. So it was very good that the kids are coming for themselves. Now we have a new course, Innovation, Business Model and Interpretation. For that, I have appeared for the exam myself. I had given the exam for service marketing last time. Because the kids thought that I will come with you. And wherever the exam center is, I will come there. So I had promised them this. And for the exam, I had given the exam for the first time online. So that was also a very good experience for me. We did it this time as well. So last time, they had got the full transcript. The transcript for this subject is not available yet. It is a text version. But it is only in PPDs. So it can be a problem for the kids. The second thing is that you give the SPOC and Mentors certificate. So in the Mentors certificate, the total number of the candidates who are subject to a particular course is mentioned. But it is not on the SPOC certificate. So I have to mention that. About the fees waiver, after you enroll, you ask for the fees waiver list. So last time it was that 600 kids had enrolled. But 200 kids have given it for the exam. So in your fees waiver list, you have to find it one by one. So just for the registered exam, if the names of the kids are highlighted, it can be easy to recommend for how many kids. FDPAICT has done it. If UGC also certifies it, it will be better. So thank you very much. Thank you. Hello. So the UGC we have put in the request and we are checking. We will see on whether it works out. Exam City, it will be there this time. So don't worry, that is true. Text transcripts, what happens is, if it's a new course, then sometimes we don't get a video ahead. We need at least one month to give the transcription. So the videos come in too late. Normally we would have sent it. That it will come after maybe a month or so. But it would have gone to the vendors. It would not have come back. And its verification won't happen. So whatever errors come from the vendors, that's a max that we can put out probably as a sample. So that is something that we are trying, but we have still not greatly succeeded on that front. So that is definitely there. For the fee waiver, we look into it. One thing is why we say ahead enrollment is we want to get an idea of what we are going to get into. Once we do the registration, we did that also once. When we look at the registration data, people just put everybody there. And then we are not able to decide on that. Everybody we cannot support at this date. Maximum 15-20% of the total is what we can support with the funds we have. So if you all can really decide if we give you the registration data and tell us who is there, it is fine with us. We can do that. We'll try that this time. Definitely. Email ID. You need mobile number. Mobile number inside the mentor tab of the mentee list. That we can do. Good afternoon, madam. Yes, sir. I am Professor Kittu, representing Gokta Institute of Technology, Karnataka. We are one among the top 100 colleges performing between the bandwidth of 50 to 100 A grade. The issue that what she raised about the exam center, my college is Autonomous College. We have made it compulsory that the students have to do one certification course, professional certification course other than English. English is the one compulsory everyone has to do and professional one they have to do. So a lot of students will be preferring NPTEL because it is a very cheap one and with the standard of IITs. But unfortunately two years back our college was made as an exam center. Later on it was removed and some college in my city there are seven to eight colleges, Belgami, Karnataka, yeah, Belgami. So then my college is removed which is at the very convenient place, a very old college, but some new college I don't know what reason and it is 20 kilometers away from the city. That college was made as a center but still my students we arranged for the bus and all that, we conducted the exam. And from the last exam onwards whole Belgami is removed from the dropped from the exam center. And since my place belongs to Karnataka all my students were dumped into either Mangalore or Bangalore which are 500, 600 kilometers away. If possible give my college or my city. Belgami have run for the last three semesters so I am very sure because we have a huge medical one-five school thing and they are doing the health research fundamentals course for us. So Belgami has been a center for the last three semesters at least. No, no, but we have given the center exam was run because that I am very sure because of the medical colleges that we are there. About your college being selected that's again a TCS thing. You forget about my college. Belgami has been a center. Maybe in 2016, Jan we might have done it but last three semesters I am very sure we have run exams there. No, because my students were complaining that they have to travel to the Mangalore or Bangalore. No, Mangalore, Bangalore. That's what the cost of traveling is costlier higher than giving the fees. This is... And if at all if you are not selecting Belgami at least give Goa nearby. So that... Goa is also there. Goa has run for the last three semesters. My students were not given Goa. Because Karnataka they are allocated. They are allocating Karnataka means they are allocating Mangalore or Bangalore. So this time what we have done is we have taken choice one, choice two, choice three. So if choice one for some reason is not there they will give choice two. Choice two also for some reason does not work out. Choice three is a standard 40 cities where we will definitely run exams. So we have asked them for the choices based on that it will go. My only request is more than 1000 students are registering. For my college only. Forget about other colleges. There may be still more. Please give one center for Belgami. It may not be my college, any college. Belgavi and Belgam are the same. Let me check mine. It is the same. Earlier it was called Belgam. Now government is officially with Belgavi. Yes we have. Belgam is definitely there. Thank you. Thank you. This is just an I am extremely happy and grateful to that Madhavan Mukun sir. In fact extensively we are using sirs course content especially that algorithms data structure and python. And this course heterogeneously we are using one model python model we use it for I spoke to sir also that for IOT course. And that particular model we also use it for machine learning. Not only theoretical even in the laboratory generally what we do is around half an hour whenever we show that sirs course content and then we start that our experiments and all. So we are immensely happy and we are extremely happy and as ma'am rightly said he is the star. In fact I noted it down and in fact I wanted to say that anyway feedback but anyway I am very happy that sir was also here and especially that we are extremely grateful and Anupam Basu course they were extremely good and extensively we are using it in our class and thank you very much for giving such a high quality content and it was very easy for controlling students when we especially when we saw it using that audio-usual systems in our classroom we played in our classroom. So our students they immensely enjoying that's what we wanted to say that our courses from H.D.M. Engineering College Darwad ma'am. We teach that IOT cloud computing and especially those courses they require these especially the python packages and all and even in the laboratory were using it machine learning lab we have and that particular lab we don't have that theory that we require that python packages specially from a sirs lecture we take out that relevant material and we show it to sirs so that's what nowadays if it is interdisciplinary mode that's Visra sir from IIT Kharapur and Python content, we take it from SERS class. And in addition to that, anyway, we saw that content, that algorithms content and data structure to third semester and fifth semester students. Thank you very much for providing such a high-quality content, and our students are really enjoying it, and they're also expressed their gratitude. Thank you so much, sir. Thank you so much, Rafid. Thank you. So he's one of the many, many stars we have here, a lot of stars in MP2. One of our IIT Madras stars that we have here. I would like to ask, is it possible to sign MOU with Mumbai University for credit transfer so that every student will get, I mean, they? See, it's not about signing an MOU. The university has to adopt courses, and in their academic board, academic councils, they have to pass the notification that NPTEL courses can be taken for in whichever manner, either a free elective or as a thing, how many credits, in what manner they will take it, whether the students should write our exam or university will conduct exam, all modalities has to come from there. NPTEL has nothing to do with signing an MOU or something. The max that we do is we go, we have meetings with the VCs of various universities, we talk to them about our program, we tell them these are available, but beyond that, what they are capable of doing or what they want to do is based on the university courses, so we would say a better way is if you all can get together as colleges and represent and say, already we are working with NPTEL, you're doing so many courses, students are in it, and whether they can bring it formally into their program, that is something that is possible from your side, it's much more easier when you have a, you know, push from the colleges to the thing rather than be going and it's like we are selling NPTEL there at some level. If you all say it, it's more like, you know, you benefit from it, that would be the better way. In that case, one suggestion in AICT, regarding faculty development program. In that case also, we can take intervention of AICT and ask Shastra Budde, sir, to have a discussion with university authority and made it compulsory at least two to three credit from NPTEL, that will be the best suggestion. You try, better to discuss with AICT authority, AICT regulates all the engineering colleges, that will be the best. But I think AICT also can only give recommendations and, they cannot still push it. Guidelines, recommendations are followed by university. Yeah, but they should not follow. I remember that when engineering colleges started to reduce the per-vegetage to the humanity and basic sciences courses, at that time, AICT intervened and they asked the university to increase the weightage for the basic sciences as well as humanity courses and that percentage rose up to 18%. Earlier, it was reduced to seven to eight percent. Sure, sir, we'll take it up, thank you. That is given, ma'am. That's for credit transfer? No. It's part of the syllabus, it's part of the formal syllabus, includes NPTEL as a resource. Hello, good afternoon. I'm Jeevi Pujari from Surrey Engineering College, Kullapur area. Ma'am, you are going to change the policy of passing criteria. So I want to suggest one thing, entirely keeping negative marketing to whole system. You can keep like a 50%, 50% negative marketing and 50% so that getting certificate is motivation for student and another thing you can do like this, keeping passing criteria separately for assignment different and for exam point of the different criteria for passing. So it is my suggestion. Well, as far as negative marketing is concerned, I would like to make one point clear because students taking NPTEL are those who want to train themselves for competitive exams. If you keep a negative criteria, that is going to be a barrier for them to gather knowledge. Rather, we want this portal to educate them what they couldn't take up. So this material is they are taking as a supplement for answering IIT standards, Jam, GE, Gate, Net, Set, all. So if you keep negative markings, it will really demotivate them that if I take a certificate, I get IIT certificate, but there will be number of enrollments will reduce. Surely it will reduce because I myself had interacted regarding this with my students. These were the answers. Will there be a negative markings? Then really no. We are already preparing for February jam exams. So no, ma'am, we won't get time. This is what it is because the fear of negative markings can't be removed completely. What I can suggest is what because assignments are with the help of the mentors, let there be negative markings already like courses by Mangal Sundar sir and everything, there is having a negative markings that can be kept. So they will not answer wrong answers. So there, if they are wrong, there is a negative marking in some programming courses that can be taken. But as far as the oral exam is concerned, if you keep negative markings that will really demotivate them. And I'm okay with that 45 marks scheme or you can do one thing. In your theory exams, you don't keep any negative markings. Let that be a minimum standards of 30 passing. So assignment, let it be as it is 30. With that, they get minimum 30. So obviously it will boost beyond 50 marks. That would be a very good initiative because what happens if a student is getting 20 marks out of 25, 10 marks, 12 marks he get and he has to just work hard for the remaining seven, eight marks. That will really 40 marks is really lowering the standards of IIT. You can make it 45 or even 50%. 50% can overcome that. But at his initiative, if you make it 45, that would be a very fair deal I felt so. And the other thing what we have in our curriculum, we recommend students who take up this, we try to put it in credits. Like with one department, politics department from my college is doing. That is they are having six papers. So one paper, one teacher will evaluate the student as per the MOOCs course which they have done. So we are having this Indian political thought course which the student will do. They'll learn for the exam. So teacher will act as a mentor. So that way we can motivate them and obviously after they clear the exam as per your credits criteria which you have given, we will evaluate and convert it to 15 marks. So whatever 100 marks they have scored, it will be converted to the 15 marks. So that is what we are trying to motivate our students. And till now SI is having 58 top percent this last three years. So that way our students is really having the caliber because we are the only one science colleges in Mumbai. Rest all are engineering or they are management studies so our students is having the caliber. So what we are doing? We are keeping felicitation to the toppers. So those that is again a motivation. Also we are recommending mentors who are doing very well. They are going out of the way. They are conducting lab sessions after the regular lectures, practicals. So this way we can approach students and the feedback which I have received from our students, till now we are nearly having 3000, 4000 students who have benefited from these courses and almost 700 students have taken up the examinations. So what they have said, this certificate has really helped them in clearing the entrances. Many of them, nearly 10 to 20% of the students got placed also. And faculty development program, I myself have done IMAD because I am a chemistry faculty. I didn't want to do on my subject. So I did, it was used for my FTP. So it's not like that, universities are accepting it. Only thing, Mumbai University can claim this if it is UGC affiliated. And UGC will not readily accept anything. For that you need to put forth an approach in a different way. If UGC is affiliating for credits, then Mumbai University will readily accept because Mumbai University in my college, we are having online skill development program for commerce students. We are offering courses on financial accounting and financial planning which is affiliated to University of Mumbai in three levels. So if they do first year, second year, and third year, that is total 150 hour course, in third year, along with their BICOM or BA degree, they will get an additional degree on financial planning. So such thing, university is doing. But until and unless it doesn't come under UGC norms, university will not accept it. That is a value-added course because in our college, we are having more than 70 value-added courses. So this is there. It is done by the universities. Only it has to come under UGC norms. Then only we can talk about using that for FTP programs. But my college has accepted my online course for a faculty development program. And other thing for placements, as for students are concerned, in turn, you have tied up. Our college students had taken that benefit, but there is no way that only those students who are part of the NPTEL portal should be recommended. That is an open source. If somewhere, if in turn can tackle, those who are our college students who are email ID, we supply, they should only recommend their name for internship. Otherwise, if you, anyone can go to the internship, anyone can create an ID, they can take up placements, they can also do internship, everything. This is what my opinion. And as far as my concern with NPTEL is concerned, last three years, really I had a very great support from you all. So till now we have 30 teachers who are mentoring, representing the 23 departments. So thank you so much for all the support. Thank you. Good afternoon all. Last row. I'm from Pansale, from VDLIT College, Pune. To congratulate NPTEL for having an MO with AICT. So I would like everyone to have a big clap for team NPTEL. Second thing, our college is Autonomous College. So what we did is that some of the master courses, we have made some subjects compulsorily, for which we do take the credit transfers from NPTEL. And for UD CLABUS, as she said very correctly, value-added courses we have added, and for which again we are recommending some NPTEL courses and we are doing the credit transfer to that. So for negative marking again, my suggestion would be the same that she has suggested. So I'll make a short, that please rethink about the negative marking. Thank you, ma'am. Good afternoon all. Myself Ganesh Dangat from KBPC, Ohio, Sattara. Madam, first time, our college is for NPTEL SPOC exam. I saw your enthusiasm and motivation in WIT-Sollapur. Even today, I felt that you have a lot of skills. I can't express all the things, but there's a lot of things. I want everyone to clap for madam and the NPTEL team. And that's how your motivation should be with us. So we can tell our students to continue NPTEL. Thank you, ma'am. Good afternoon. I'm Dr. D.D. Chaudhary from Shingad Institute, Lona Wala. As it is from Parfum Pune, so I was discussing the same thing. So I have tried to propagate these master's, not only for engineering, to other management and commerce and all that. So I tried that this time, there will be more and more institutions will be there. Soon we will get the center at Lona Wala. And in addition to that, as I'm very happy that you have started the translation program, I hope that as we are also working on Vandhavadhan Kaushalivika Shojna for other people than other than engineering. So this Marathi program will be useful, maybe another language, but original language program. Most of the students are Marathi in that program, Kaushalivika Shojna. So if at all this AICT NPTEL program will be in original language, it will be easy for them to understand and go for certification, maybe in English. And even I have suggested this program to go for my technical assistant also, so that they will also improve their performance. And as we added this whole certification program in appraisal programs of first faculty, we have asked the people teaching to go for the program certification so that appraisal can be there. For appraisal, it can be useful for the technical assistant also. We also used to take feedback from the teachers as a normal way of taking feedback. In there, wherever we find out, people are lagging in some skill, maybe for management skill or maybe technically speaking skill, we ask the faculty members to go for such a program, get certified and their performance can be improved like that. I also wanted to say, as there was issue in my LUNA, more than 400 people has enrolled, but only 30 people could give the exam. So I thought that what can be the issue, maybe because of the center and all that. But I think you are discussing about supplementary exam. So if at all we can discuss on that supplementary exam, so I think those people are not able to give the exam because of one or the other reason, not only because of center, might be clashing with some other dates and all that. If you go for supplementary exam, it will be better for them also, who has missed that example. And supplementary exam can be allowed to them. And definitely you can have some criteria as like, if they are giving supplementary exam, there can be passing criteria can be somewhat higher because they are giving supplementary exam, so they are getting more time. Otherwise nobody may be going for regular exam, they will go for supplementary exam only. So we can keep some criteria as a more than 50% mark and something like that. So that way please work on that. And people may opt for that and get certification also. I'm also very happy and want to give good feedback about that virtual lab program, as my colleges also participated in that. And my student has got benefited out of this, CUP Pune, that virtual lab. And definitely it is a good program. Some of my faculty is also working as a mentor and we are getting benefit out of it. It is a very good program about virtual lab. So that's it. Thank you very much. So one is that we are thinking wherein NPTEL will not conduct the supplementary exams because we want to focus more on courses and doing one run properly and kind of completing it. So wherein a local person can do it based on the assignments and solutions we release, that is one. Second one, if at all it comes to that we have to do it, then we are thinking of just an online mode of exam, proctoring will be done by all. But in that case we will not do a certificate from our end because we want to know how the students are doing it and so on. So scores we will release but not the certificate that is coming from our side. These are two things that we were thinking of. Any other ideas, suggestions you think of? Any other things that we can do? I think we'll open up for supplementary exams now. Can we just talk about that a little? The college level if the number of enrollments are more. No, for us still Pan India when we have to conduct it, it's a mega operation for us. It's not easy to conduct Pan India, you know, 120. The planning is like huge that we do. So if you have to do a third run, already we do two. The third is like going to be a stretch on us In that case you can give them only the score which is there online. Is that okay? That should be okay if they are going to use it for credits. They want to show that mark sheet, that's it. They need not require a hard copy, I feel so. Any suggestions on this? Yeah, so that can be done. So I mean that can come from college, university that is totally open. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that will not come. The certificate will not come. So we are saying come back for a rerun course or you come back, take another course and exam if at all that is important. But the supplementary is something that we are really thinking about because it's just a stretch and, you know, from where we thought NPTEL should be providing quality content, now most of our focus is just on exams. How we conduct, where we conduct what we, we're almost branching off into that. So we want to come back to our core of content and offering it, seeing that that goes well. Along with doing this one run, we are definitely in but pushing us to second, we are just thinking about that. So any other suggestion you think that we can do in terms of supplementary exam? Any other ideas that you might have? Today immediately, or you can share it later on also, we can take it up in the group and then we can discuss. But there's something that is coming because credit transfers getting pushed. So we do need to have a mechanism for that. But how are we gonna implement? How are the universities going to check for that? That is something, for instance, if the university academic council says only if you bring an NPTEL certificate I will give you credits, right? So whatever be the exam they write, if they have to get the certificate from us, then this mode will not work. If the academic council puts it as you can either get that or a college exam, something a little more flexible, then it works. So it depends on how they are going to minute it and actually write it. So one of, yeah. Yes. You can go for two papers. You're already doing two papers, sir. We have two papers, two sessions, right? Yes. I will let Madhavan actually answer that. No, so I think that this exam thing, there are two parts of it. I mean, from my perspective, of course I have to set two papers each time and try to balance the papers and make sure there are obviously no ambiguities, no mistakes. And also if it's a repeat course, I have to try and create new questions which are similar to but not the same. So it's a big exercise. So creating a third paper is really a lot of work. But I think from their perspective, it's even more challenging because these papers have to then, I mean, we provide it in whatever format and then it has to be put into the TCS system and then in this thing, there are some strange things that happen. Okay, so some things which are, I mean, I can just share you one example. So one course, a third course, which I have done half of with another colleague is on Haskell. And some of the answers in the Haskell thing, so there are, so you know, you could have fill in the blank answers also. So some of the answers in that Haskell programming thing were to do with some, what is the value of this expression and it would be true or false. And in Haskell, it should be capital T, small R U E or capital F. Now in the TCS system, you can only get all caps or all small. You can only get all caps. Only for true and false. Other words are fine. But the words true and false can only come in all caps. So there are all kinds of strange things that happen even from a technological end. So I think preparing exams as Bharati said and running it seems to have just, in some sense, you know, swallowed this whole administrative infrastructure much more than conducting the courses. And somehow we need to lighten that load for them because now it's some 200 and God knows how many 270 courses. Each time it's some 50 more than last time. And it's, yeah. So I mean, she asked me for question papers one month before the course starts. So. This is Uthkarsh from KSV Gandhinagar, Gujarat. So for sure, I should thank you for at least helping a university to execute the whole program. Like it is a recent change. Then we can offer our colleges with Swayam coming with NPTEL. And as a university, we see that motivation is directly proportional to appreciation. How much you have to appreciate your students? They are motivated to take knowledge. Means knowledge comes then. It is the second part that comes. I do appreciate the way you give allied certificates. You give top of certificates. I wanted to add SPOC level ke liye ke state-level rankings, as a national-level ranking atiye, now you're 1800 local chapters with you. You should even provide state-level because that is what you can pay SPOCs through this kind of ranking. Because that's what counts. Out of 1800, you cannot win top 100. But at least in state, you can win top 100. Top 10, say. And that will motivate SPOC to be at least in top 10 in state, at least. To win top 100 in Gujarat, they are members in India. It's a bit number game and students game and everything else. The second part is, like we have crossed more than one leg students and something and all. For students, can we keep state-level gold medals the way we give in all Olympias? Like, it's a state-level, I have crossed it. And it's a kind of appreciation that you can go to students. And the third part is merchandise. Certificate do suffice to a kind of certificate that I get. Being an IIT student, getting an IIT T-shirt and roaming around in Mumbai is a part that you love about being an IIT. So being an NPTEL pass out or a light or topper do use a support that a college or university can use NPTEL logo in their t-shirts or badges or somewhere else where they can appreciate students with certificate. It should not be sponsored by you. We don't expect in 1000 rupees, you should do all this. But at least you can give permission. Hello, you can help. We can give co-collaborator merchandise with NPTEL. Thank you. Yeah, so we have that coordinators meeting like I was saying. We can probably bring it up there on the use of the logo there. So that is one thing. State-level, this one, even this national-level ranking that we do, you don't know how much we break our heads in our office for that, okay? Because the data is like so much and all that. That's why we wouldn't want to clarify what you see is what we'll rate from now on. And that's where we are going to. So that's one thing. But other thing we also say that since our courses are national-level, anybody can take it across the country. You want the rating also to be like that. So basically, colleges are competing at that thing. We are seeing concerns, like I told you, about colleges that have large numbers versus colleges that have small numbers. So we are not gonna do it probably state-wise. But like the small-scale industry, medium-scale industry, that types, we might do registration-based. It can be anywhere. It doesn't matter if the college is in Nagaland or Gujarat or this one. But if you have, say, 100 students in that you're doing something, we might come up. We are looking more on that kind of distribution rather than a geographical distribution of local chapters and kind of rating it there. So that is what we are. So this semester, we are working a lot on that particular aspect. So next semester, we hope we have a better inkling. Same like I was saying, we are gonna consider the average scores. Because a guy who gets 60 today and 89 today in our ranking system, he gets only two points. Well, there's a lot of difference between the person who's gotten these two marks. So we wanna see how do we give them a little more weightage when we are actually rating the colleges. So that is happening. So we take this feedback. The other one, I want to put it back on this perspective. We ran a form with NPTEL alumni and we asked a survey saying, if people have done any courses with us in the last two, three years, can you give us a feedback on how it has helped you? So we actually got about 6,800 responses from there as opposed to the 150. We got 6,800 students, faculty, professionals and all. And there was one question which we asked them saying, do you wanna give back to NPTEL? Because NPTEL, as you know, is a project of MHRD. We do get funding for some parts of it and the ministry is tightening up funds, which means if we want to do so many more things. So at some level, if you can see why we even describe our initiatives to you. We are not just doing a course and saying, lena hai to loom, nahi to nahi lena hai and you don't do whatever you want. We also try to do a lot of value add to see how can the end student benefit? How can the end faculty member benefit? How can the local chapter benefit? It's more like we try to do whatever is possible with us. That's why we work with other organizations, industry, local chapters, the companies that are coming in, internships that we're offering. It is more work for us. Anybody in our office, you say today, all of us are doing so many parts to it. But we want to do it because it should not stop with the course. What more, what more, what more? That's some question that keeps coming back to us and that's what we try. But some initiatives, we do need support. So we asked and it said at least quite a sizeable number said, yes, we want to give back. So that's something that we also want. Like you're saying, you want to give to the students, one more factor where we are going to say is, give back to NPTEL in whatever way is possible. Monetary is definitely appreciated because we can support more programs. For instance, with the internships, if you are today giving the students whatever stipend it requires, we don't have a company support, there's no support from MHRD. We are just doing it from one or two alumnus who have given for that initiative. In fact, we've finished that money, we are now looking out for next thing. So we said program will go, we'll see, we'll see on that. But if some things like that could come back, people have appreciated the benefit of taking an NPTEL course. In fact, it was very nice to see the industry people who have had given feedback, they were at least some 30% who said they got hikes of up to 30 to 50% in the salary. They got project changes, they got job changes, and they actually did much better when they took up NPTEL courses and showcased it. So these are also the guys we are targeting. So that might be something that we're also trying for. Oh, we'll see on that. So logo thing we noted down, I'll bring it up in the coordinators meeting, we'll see on how, what is the usage terms for the logo? It is contents of free to use, but logo still, there is something on that, I'll check on that. Okay, I am Smith from Dharamsing Desai University, Nadia. Yes. First of all, I am very thankful to NPTEL team, because in 2004 or something, these NPTEL lectures are available from that time. But at that time, as a student or as a employee also, means if a university can't access it freely, they had to pay for it. Now, NPTEL team has at least made it available free of cost to each and every person that to at whatever time they want to learn. Okay, so I am very much thankful to you, because I have seen that it was very difficult to get this type of courses. Then regarding the negative marking system, what I feel is that in assignment, we can have a negative marking, as madam said, and that marking, negative marking may be two marks, deduct two marks if it is wrong, double detection. So at least no one means if the guessing person will never get 25 on 25. And you can increase from 40% to 45, both combined, negative on that side and 40 to 45. Then you can have a genuine people getting into the toppers. Then regarding the supplementary exam, I also as a faculty, we know that it's very difficult to draw the question paper compared to teaching any course. So it's, so I think there is, there should, what is the need to have a supplementary exam? I can't understand. I can't understand. That if student means if he is serious, if he or she is serious about the exam, then definitely they will go for the exam. There is no need to go for a supplement. Because in our case, no, we had university exam this time up to April 26th, 27th. And 28th and 29th were NPTEL exam. One of our students gave exam 28th morning evening, 29th morning evening. And then on 28th, he was stopper in only one course. And on 27th, he was having, means 28th he was having, on the same day on Saturday, he was having a practical exam also, Viva. So I requested the external faculty to stay at our college up to seven, so that he can come back from Ahmedabad to Nadiya. So if the student is motivated, then they definitely will give the exam. So I don't think that there is any need to have a supplementary exam. And if you are giving a credit to it, find credit course, if any university is providing a, or considering it as a credit, then definitely student has to be serious about it. And no need to go for a supplementary, he has to go give the exam definitely. Then regarding one more thing, there is assignment. It is not, I don't know, means it's not a mistake on NPTEL part. It may be the mistake on the TA part. I have seen that in many of the assignments, the options, whatever there, they are not valid options. And they agree also, but they don't change it. So in such cases, then you cannot apply that negative marking system. I have, right now itself, if you want to check one of the course, information theory, coding theory, right now assignment number one, question five. Even a person is not having any knowledge of electronics communication, but if someone read that, they can understand that an option available is wrong because values are given in numerical form and answers are given in some variable form. Okay. So for the current course. I got the answer from TA, personal mail, I got it. Okay, its answer is this. So I said, I know the answer. I didn't discuss because according to honor code, I should not say what is the answer. I can only say that this is not valid. So he agreed, but still it has not been changed. 15th August is the last date, so I will wait up to that time, but this thing has occurred. I don't know why this thing occurred, mainly in the course which I am going through, wireless side and all those. Even I have seen, in the electronics course, I have seen that it has occurred many times. And the problem is that even in one of the course which I have attempted Aditya Jagannathan sir course, after exam I proved to the, means in the discussion forum, I said that whatever values that you have given, okay, that using those values, you cannot get the answer that you have specified. It was in matrix form, four to five questions were related. So TA didn't reply, so I sent directly mail to Aditya Jagannathan sir, within three days he replied and he told you are correct. And he said, sorry that I have not seen, gone through the paper. This was 2016 July, I think. Yeah, I was the topper in that course. He agreed, but TA didn't agree that it is. So I think TA, I'm not telling that they are not doing their job. They may be also having some other PhD works and all, but they should be somewhat careful. Since it has been now associated with all other university in a form of credit, as well as, and I'm very much thankful to the mail that I got in the last two, last week, last two last week, AICTFTB. Because in our, since I said that it's, our colleges in Gujarat, and Gujarat mind is business oriented. What will I get from this? So that advantage we got in our college, very few faculty were enrolled, but when I informed all the faculty, means our dean passed on all the message to all the faculties, on that day itself, almost 20, 30 faculties have been enrolled. So I'm very much thankful to you, but one thing just I want to say is, I have heard this, I don't know. I heard that higher education council, something like that is going to come up instead of this UGC, AICT and combine and all those things. So every time now, you have taken a permission from AICT. Now you'll go for AG, UGC. Within next year, it will be something new. So will it be, means you have to take the permission or will they allow this? So we'll have to see as it goes, sir. Maybe they will adopt it and say what was valid from that time already gets accepted. But what happens when I'm sorry to disturb you? Means interfere? Sometimes, sometimes it doesn't work. Sir, what happens? Like you said, old course which has been done. So you have just started. Okay, they will, now HIC comes, suppose. Now, in that period, someone has done a course. Now HIC hasn't allowed it. So it will not be considered for CS. When it starts, there is a period in which course you have done. I have done seven courses. Now what I have to do, you have given FTP from this time. Of also rerun course, I will not like to give. And that's exactly the point. I will not like to give, definitely. Now, okay, knowledge enhancement is there. That's fine. I am happy with that courses, that whatever knowledge I have. But this will happen. Yeah, yeah. So we are working with AICT on that. We recognize this, but as they bring in regulations and things, it's up to them. We cannot force beyond a point. So if they say it's valid, otherwise it does not. We are only trying, for instance, somebody in 2006, many of them write, we didn't have certification programs when we were in college that I couldn't use this or whatever. So I can't answer that and say, we didn't start with them. So we say study now. So something like that, we are only hoping to improve. So this is one step forward, one step forward. We'll keep going there. On the part of the assignments, I want to clarify here that during an assignment when it goes live, we do not make any changes to the assignment even though we may know that there are errors in it. One is, there is no excuse for an error being in an assignment. Yes, we totally agree with that. We appreciate that. In fact, every time we discuss internally with faculty, with all our coordinators that there should not be a problem in the assignments. It should be thoroughly verified and checked and all that. But as you can see, suppose in a college course, somebody is doing a course and maybe I'll give two assignments, three assignments, one mid-sem, two quizzes. Here we are doing eight assignments, 12 assignments per course. So they have to generate so many check and so on. Maybe some slips are happening there and we apologize for that sincerely. But the thing is, as soon as the assignment goes live, till the date that the assignment closes, we do not change anything there because the primary reason being somebody might come on a Monday, you can sit down, sir. Somebody comes on a Monday, they check the assignment, they finish the assignment and they leave. Suppose Wednesday I'm now seeing that yes, there is a genuine error and we are changing the question there. I do put out an announcement, maybe the email goes, it goes to spam, it goes to junk, but the person who's come on the Monday assumes I finished my work for this week, I don't have to go back. And then when they see, they'll see something has changed, I have not answered it. So typically this was a problem that is happening. So our policy is, we release the assignment, we close the assignment, we note what all errors are there, we acknowledge it. And post assignment closing, either if it is only an option B instead of an option A that has been set, we change the option and re-score it. If the question itself is wrong or options are incorrect, we delete that question and we re-score for the assignment. So this we do do definitely for all courses that has been happening. The exam part of it, yes, the faculty is checking into each and everything, but we do collect feedback. So one week after the exam is over, we check the forum, we check the emails, we create a summary. And along with the score sheet, we send the summary and say, these are all the doubts that have been raised, give us an explanation for each, valid, not valid, what we should do. Internally, we do re-score. So if there have been errors even in the exam, we have taken care of it, we ensure that it is all fair, then only we release the score. So that is a guarantee that we can give from our side that this is what we have been doing. Assignment errors, yes, we will look into it, sir. It is bettering, I hope it's better this semester. So we are hoping for some improvements on that front, but I don't know how else we can kind of fix the problem totally. That might be some. See, for instance, IIT faculty, one of the things we actually face the challenge with them is many times they'll go for a test. Suppose even you are giving a test in a class, you made a mistake in the question paper, you can just go there and announce, okay, now here is a problem, just change this parameter to that and finish it off. But in an online course, we can't do that. So for them to switch from the institute mode of teaching to an online where you cannot afford to make a mistake, it takes a little bit of orientation. So we also give them that leeway and let them also learn in the process. So we are trying on ways, so yeah, right. So in fact, we have invited many of the toppers and all we are recommending to the faculty, they can take their help and get them back into the course that it's being rerun next time. Few of them are using them, but if they have their own students who are in physical proximity, it's much easier for them to probably handle the course. So that is something, but we are looking into ways in which even faculty of completed course is done really well, can contribute to the rerun course in some ways. So that is our next steps that we are going to be doing that. Yes, sir. Hello, ma'am, I want to give a suggestion regarding supplementary exam for students. If students get filled in any subject, they should be allowed for next term when there will be exam of NPTEL by charging some of 50% of fees at least so that instead of 1100, if you charge 550 or 500 for supplementary course from student, then student will be encouraged for that course and your effort for taking third time exam that will be also reduced. This is my suggestion. Actually, we are thinking of the reverse. We want to do it as three x or five x of the fees. We want to discourage them from, you see, if they want to better themselves, they have to go through the assignments, relearn and come back to improve their performance. Just giving an exam again and again is not necessarily going to help them as kind of the concept. So if we are going to put in real effort for that third, we are going to say it's going to come at a premium. Many times what happens, student is good in knowledge, but due to some circumstances, he is not able to give that exam or do study properly during exam period. This may happen to some students. That's why I am suggesting this. And the last time they've all been toppers, they've got 18, and so first time we see we've seen 40, 45, then he's come to 60, he's come to 18, 90. So we don't have a rule on how many times you can do any of our courses and you can showcase the last certificate. In fact, in our certificates, we don't say, oh, you've already done it twice. There's a third time he's doing the course. There's no such thing. Everything is an independent instance. So you can learn multiple times. Yeah, so that is fine. So we'll take probably the last two suggestions. After that, we'll have the plug distribution. We'll be available over lunch and post that. We can come back to talk more on that. Yes, sir. Sorry, I forgot to introduce myself at the first time. My name is Vasim Sheikh and I'm from Anjuman, Islam's. It is a very well-known organization in Mumbai. It is a big educational conglomerate established in 1857. And personally, I have been with touch with NPTEL in so many ways before, during my education, I had taken three, four courses as a remember and those for the gate purpose. And I qualified gate twice. So thanks to you people. And other thing is regarding giving back at a personal level, I'm willing to work for whatever scheme you put on with. And other thing is regarding if you need involvement from our faculty, I'm sure I'll be able to convince my director to put on some manpower into your effort if you need. Sure, sir. Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. One minute, so we just finish. If you can just be quick, because we've heard. Regarding the fee waiver, at one end you are asking, you are giving an opportunity to the student to say yes or no, so that they need not to, they don't want to. If they say no to them, they don't get fee waiver. Okay, for that matter. Yeah, they don't get fee waiver. They don't get anything. No advantages of being belonging to a local chapter. Okay, thank you. Yes. I am new SPC from Nanded. My name is Nitin Darkunde. So there are 166 members in my local chapters. But I'm not able to locate those 15 names, whether they are, even though their name has been displayed, but I don't know those students. Okay, so this was a problem we wanted to address also, because now currently we are not doing any ID verification or something. So anybody can associate themselves with any college and actually come in. And we are only hoping that the SPOC knows them or whatever at some level to guarantee to us. But we are seeing, even passed out students saying, I belong to that and coming in there, we don't know whether we are taking them in for rating or something. So if you'll have any ideas on how easily we can do some checks, we are not going to do ID verification for 10 lakh people out of the question. But any other way that we can do it, it's not such a big a problem, but I don't know where it will go. But that's one concern we also have from our office that based purely on their affiliation and their declaration, we are taking in all the data. So there's no means of verifying. So we are collecting a roll number ID that's being passed on to department, roll number, which program, all those details are going out. But they say even if they have 1000 students for them to pass through all the 1000 is a thing or they give a random roll number, they have to still go back to the college database, map it and do it and all that. So what's the difference? Past out students, we are running MSc Mathematics course. Suppose, this is two year course. Suppose some passed out students who is studying for his net or gate preparation and they are also enrolled. But if they are passed out, then how can the roll numbers will be given. That is also a question. And one more thing. Past out students are not supposed to affiliate with the college. They have to say they belong to the others category and actually put themselves as independent people. But still they have enrolled. Yeah, so they have enrolled. So don't pass on benefits to them if you don't know who they are. So ideally. And the last request is under subject category, there is no mathematics at all. Yes, that we've noted. We'll just get that. Yeah, okay, thank you. Yes, sir. Myself, Neela Sabnis from Kolhapur. I just want to know what type of documents we have to collect regarding the fee waiver scheme. Okay, so the fee waiver currently as I said is not for faculty members. For Taiwan cities, we are really bringing it down for y'all to strongly justify those students require a thing. And the remaining, you will only say that we are approving for all these candidates or rather applying for all these candidates from our side. And once we approve and we know some kind of numbers, whether we do it for registration or whether we do it for enrollment currently, it's on the enrollment page. You will do that. And we need a letter from your principal saying that, yes, whatever data has been presented is correct on the letter head signed and a scan, a letter scan comes to us. Then they register for the exam. They pay the entire fees, come to the exam and they write it, we give a 50% waiver. Documents per se, so far we have not asked and insisted on that. It was only a trust between us and the SPOC in the principal, saying that since we're working with local chapters, we are going to do it on this mode. But if the company, last time the company asked us, how are the SPOC's qualifying the students? So at that point, we didn't have a concrete answer. We said we have to go back. So that's why we are now insisting that if you recommend students for waivers, you have to have a basis on which you're doing it. There has to be some proof. If randomly the company says, give me these five colleges, what have they collected or on what basis they have done, present to me some data. We will come back to you. You should be able to present. So of the, this one, whatever we could get was, I don't know the south, we have some white ration card, yellow ration card and all depending on income category. One is that, or if an income certificate is being collected by a college and based on that you're doing it, that could be there. Two colleges told us that they give waivers for these low income category students, even in the college fees. And for them, they recommend this also, which means you still have the database. So it should be something on which you're basing your recommendations. And if required, we will ask you and that time you should be able to present to us. Otherwise, you know, the company also questions us on how we are doing it. So currently we're saying trust, but they are saying yes, we need something more than that if required. If the audit comes, if the objection comes, we need that. So currently it's only that. So you don't have to submit proofs to us today, but if required, you may have to. So with that in mind, you recommend. Thank you. So probably we'll stop here and we'll get on with the felicitation part of it. So maybe, Riyan, you can still be there on stage. Explain the LC and so on. I would like to invite Professor Sheethar Iyer sir to give away the plaques and certificates to the LC that are rated A, A, A and A. So first I would like to call upon the SPOC of Valchen Institute of Technology, Soilapur graded triple A. Yeah. Yeah, it's a third consecutive time. They are on the top. So we have 57 mentors from this college. Next is SPOC from Charotta University of Science and Technology, rated as double A. We have 13 mentors and one SPOC from this college who got the certificate. Third is Thakur College of Engineering and Technology, Mumbai, rated as A. Next I would call upon Please come and take the plaques. Next is Okay. KK Bhag Institute of Engineering and Education Research, Nasek, Birla Vishwakarma Mahavidyara Engineering College, Anand Gujarat, AISSMS College of Engineering, Pune, Leela Venn Daswadbhai Ramdas Patel Institute of Technology and Research, Gujarat, SIS College of Arts, Science and Commerce, Mumbai, Army Institute of Technology, Pune. Okay. So we are done with this, sir. Thank you, sir. Now I would like to thank all the participants for attending the workshop and I would like to thank Professor Shreeda Ayesha for giving us this opportunity to manage this event. And last but not the least, most important for us, we would like to recognize our team, which is the backbone for all this from the last so many days. So thank you all the participants for being here.