 They think when you get a little gray anywhere whether for me, it's machin for you It's the temple like you just start wanting to dress better It's partly. Yeah, because I need to make my clothing match this. Yeah, well also because Gray hair with Slavin outfit is homeless, right? Like that or war vet or yes often sadly the same thing, right like, you know So so when it's because you're if you're slovenly dressed and young it's oh, it's an up-and-comer He's still working his way up in the world. Yeah, if you look like he's on his way down Well, yeah, you just run out of there's no more runway. Yeah the grunge, right? Wait, what is the EDM look? What's an EDM electronic dance musical man? Oh No, that's like the only one here without gray hair You die I'll take I have three gray hairs two on this side and one on this side And I have never pulled them out because I feel like they're weeds you pull one out then a bunch more spring up in its place Is that a real thing? No It's not but it's tempting to believe. I mean, I'm practically blonde at this point because I'm trying so hard to hide gray hair Like I just keep putting in highlights and at some point. I'm gonna be a blonde. My wife has more gray hair than I do I like gray hair. I think it looks good. I love it. I love it on Matt It met you bastards. You always look better with gray hair. So now I think you guys should get a touch of gray personal choice It's unfair So the there's a kid I went to high school with Who's also named Justin who I posted the contender video that me dancing video? Mm-hmm, and he just writes I'm not a fan of gray hair But your gray wings make me want to bum you like an altar boy. Oh my oh my Well, I'm not a fan of that sense ladies and gentlemen like I was made Fairly uncomfortable, but yeah Yeah, because again, we're not like friends, right? Like like we knew each other in high school That's not okay. Yeah, it's not okay. Yeah on that note Yeah, it's 130 All right two for two for DTS for J. J. R. Y. Today That you know of yeah, we secretly recorded maybe a show for December 30th earlier Maybe I don't know did we you cop? Here we go Podcasts about technology in your daily lives from people who like to put pants on frogs and one guy with a trustworthy looking beard The Daily Tech news show with Tom Merritt is brought to you by you and I at Daily Tech news show comm slash donate This is the Daily Tech news for Thursday December 3rd 2015 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today. Mr. Justin Robert Young DTS contributor independent podcaster extraordinaire We I kind of wish Patrick was here to say extraordinary in French. He says it so well How you doing Jerry? Well, it's cuz they invented the word don't give him too much credit, you know Yeah, no, I'm doing I'm doing fantastic. I am officially a An independent podcaster. That's all you are I'm an independent podcaster by day and a corporate analyst for financial tech firms by night. None of that none of that Oh, I am just here for you folks to deliver the techniques. You live and die by their whims Indeed. So, uh, please don't go all like Mad King Aries Targaryen Start torturing me for your own play. Yeah, we know nothing Justin Robert Young Well, we got we got headlines. We're gonna talk about some stories We've even combined a couple of stories to ask a a Internal question about whether we are facing open source Nirvana or hubris from corporations But let's start yeah headlines As we shared and was excited about Apple making good on its promise to open source Swift 2.0 by the end of 2015 Apple has launched Swift.org and released a large portion of Swift 2.0 code to the public under an Apache 2.0 license on GitHub. This includes the compiler LLDB debugger the repl command line environment libraries and some supporting code Swift.org features bug reporting and tracking mailing lists and engineering blog guidelines tutorials documentation stuff like that Initial releases from Apple work on OS 10 and Linux, but because it's open source We're expecting people to make it work on other platforms as well. Swift creator Chris Latner will oversee the project All right, um, I I know enough about Programming languages to make me dangerous, but not enough to really be insightful. So help me out here is Swift something that has been Used tremendously and we'll see a greater Swift is what people are using now to create their iOS apps rather than objective C in many cases because Apple would like them to do that, please and What this could do is? Allow people to create Swift apps for other platforms Yeah, it won't be able to do that right out of the gate But that that is a possibility here it also and the other thing that this wired article makes very clear Oh can allow people to do some back-end coding in Swift on whatever platform. They're running their server on And so they only have to code in one environment for both the app That's on iOS and any supporting software that they're doing on their own side Well, I mean, that's good. I mean, I feel like people have responded pretty well to it I'm curious to see where it goes now that it has been released Into the wild birdlike it has spread its wings I love that now that it's open-source Justin, you'll be able to tailor Swift to whatever needs you have Well, you know and and for Apple they have told Swift that we are never ever ever getting back together Yahoo messenger has been revamped and launched for iOS Android web and inside Yahoo mail the new messenger focuses on group chats and integrates flicker tumbler and Shobney job me. I always say job me Job me. You said Russian job me job me Users can send hundreds of photos quickly by using flicker and deliver low res previews while full res version loads You can also write messages While offline unsend messages and search tumbler for gifts smart contacts powered by your old me We'll offer suggestions for recipients the new Yahoo messenger is available for iOS and Android today With mail integration rolling out over the next month just in time for the board to message each other on whether or not they're for sale Should we sell the alibaba stock or should we keep the alibaba stock and sell the rest? I don't know man. Here's a flicker image. I thought a funny tumbler jiff. Yeah, I think This is a really cool messenger app Especially the flicker stuff where you can send like a ton of of images and they show up right away They show up fast much faster than any other messenger app because they don't have to send the entire thing with the flicker back And they can just send a preview and load everything. It's a it's nicely done It's gonna be really hard for people To get people to stop using WhatsApp or or WeChat or whatever they're using and switch over to Yahoo messenger But isn't that what we've kind of found over the last five years is that the most successful messengers aren't necessarily the king of all messengers for which everybody goes on like the best and most successful messengers are the one that kind of can plug in to multiple things or Are where you are normally Facebook messenger has been successful because a it's already in Facebook and B It's a good product that delivers messages faster than SMS and gives you a few more options in the same way that we chat in What's that do so? yahoo messenger I suspect will be as successful as Flickr yahoo mail and tumbler are you know if they are a good product within those things then you'll see cross traffic Yeah, and and those things are of varying popularity top tumblers extremely popular yahoo mail more popular than you Probably want to let yourself think and and and so including messenger as an integration in there is going to be a smart move Uber's testing a smart move I think it's a system in Seattle that lets you pick a color That will glow from a light strip on the uber driver's windshield as they get close to your location And then you can also choose to light up your phone screen with the same color So the driver knows it's you on a on a dark day if you're looking for your car It makes it a lot easier than trying to make out the license plate number You know In an era before I was a professional podcaster now It's just a listener to podcasts many of which starred Tom Merritt and I would just say man I hate it when all these fancy pants Bay Area big city tech pundits just talk about all the hassles and problems that happened in Their fancy pants tech rich big cities I would hate the fact that I'm about to say this is amazing Because there's too many ubers on the streets of San Francisco and Oakland that I have often found myself Getting into another car because there are two uber cars waiting or one that is waiting on a corner for somebody else That is not my uber I have done this repeatedly people have tried to get into my car despite the fact that I don't have an uber sticker on so Any other way that you can physically identify? Rider and car is amazing. Look man. I I'm in a small desert town in Southern, California I don't have those issues. I've never had that happen to me here But I understand you know, that's it's different up there. I'll go back to Silver Lake Yeah, we're doing LA local jokes Facebook has opened up its live video streaming to a small percentage of users on iOS in the United States The service which has been launched for selected participants notifies close friends of the broadcast Videos are automatically saved and remain permanently visible if you have the feature You'll find in the drop-down from update status Facebook has launched a way to also launched a way to share multiple photo and video titles called Clause Yeah, I think Clause is there for everybody to try not everybody's gonna have this Before only celebrities and journalists had the live broadcasting. So now and anybody could have it They're just releasing it to a small percentage. You don't have to prove your famous or a blogger or writing for TechCrunch or anything like that. So It is Interesting to see Facebook putting it into the Facebook app because this is the kind of thing where they could get it to Catch on because they're not insisting on spinning things out like messenger into another app But they're putting it inside the app and saying hey when you're putting your status Maybe your status is live and happening right now. Just periscope. I mean Facebook live it right now so that is a very very interesting distinction because Theoretically the Facebook owned app for which you have your camera out the most is Instagram right like they're there, you know Facebook is very very good. It has been very very good and smart with video At least getting it out to people Whether or not you want to watch this kind of content on Facebook is very very interesting I mean, I think we both know for a fact that they have some very very smart live video encoding people that work there that are doing very interesting things, but Facebook also has a checkered history about these you know Kmart versions of popular apps they seem to kind of try all of them and Just see which one shake out on which ones don't I don't know whether or not this is Facebook Content, but interesting that they put it inside instead of what Twitter did with periscope Well, I get where Facebook's going with this which is we're not making a periscope competitor or they would put it out as a separate app They're saying sometimes when you're about to write your status and say oh my gosh There's a fence on fire by my house instead you might go Oh wait, I can actually just choose to show it and that video will stream to my friends who are watching now And it'll be available for them to watch later but Does this ultimately help or hurt Facebook's video dreams right because what they have done Successfully is get so much attention and and push their video so hard that they have kind of created a genre of Video specifically ones that are short have the words on them so you can watch them without sound And are very very advantageous to companies like Buzzfeed tech insider that kind of you know that that that breed of video maker I can't think they're two different strategies though. They're both video But they're different one dilute the other if I don't think we're getting if you are getting your friends Horrily produce video that again live video from your phone is not meant to be edited and shaved down There's supposed to be a raw voyeuristic element to it does that Reduce your likelihood Do you want to take the chance to even hover on an autoplay video? I don't know and this only goes to your to your friends, too So you're gonna be more invested in every one video because you're like, oh, that's from Justin So I'll watch it but everyone is somebody's friend. I'm not Tom's friend Open whisper systems has released a beta version of a web version of their messaging app signal according to PC World the beta is a plug-in for Google's Chrome web browser and will sync and encrypt messages between it and an Android device So it pairs basically uses your Android device to tell if the message is coming in and then Displays it in the web browser. It does not yet work with iOS But they do want to have that compatibility eventually it also won't support voice yet You can ask to join the beta at whisper systems org slash blog slash signal dash desktop We'll have that in the show notes as well the iOS and Android versions of signal feature end-to-end encryption for voice messaging and photo sharing If you didn't know signal is a free and open source app How much how much traffic the signal see Quite a bit as far as I know. Yeah, lots folks using the signal So what I mean is is this who do you know? Who is who are the signal? Customers like Edward Snowden Obviously Justin sure all right, so so people who are are cognizant of You know how much we are at risk privacy wise, but but this is a what it would be safe to say and and Activists app and I don't mean people who are just like you know No, I thought about people who are sensitive to these things I think it used to be an activist app and that's how it got popularized when Edward Snowden said yes I use signal. I think a lot more people are using it now beyond that crowd It is not massively popular. It's that's a fair point So so but where are you going because you're right? It is it is it is not a mainstream app that your your everyday folks are using but there are quite a few people using it And I think that hence the pressure to say like hey You know it's really nice on text messaging when I can answer and reply to them on my laptop like a can with Windows and I can with OS 10 could I do that with signal and that's good That's great because what we ultimately want right is for more apps to take seriously what signal take seriously, right? Yeah The information reports that quote people in the mobile industry Unquote who I am so looking forward to their Coachella set this year Tell them that Andy Rubin is trying to record a recruit people for a venture that would develop a new Android Handset Rubin of course co-founded Android before Google acquired it and then left Google one Year ago. Yeah last fall a little more in the year. I guess but at this point. Um, I Don't want anyone to make any That's a horrible thing to say of course we won competition and he Rubin I think the reason I was willing to put the story in the in the headlines today is like gosh darn it if somebody can make a Phone that will interest me again. It's Andy Rubin and and a man who You know certainly as is no a stranger to game changing Phone a physical phone manufacturing, right? He's one of the names behind the sidekick Which I mean let's let's go ahead and crank the way way back machine Before much screens, you know, there was one hip phone Why we all went 23 skadoo and flipped up our sidekicks and texted all of our friends Where's the ecstasy? We would say as we listen to our chemical brothers Back in the 20s. Yeah Yes, no, I think you're right Andy Rubin I'd be very interested to see if this ends up being true and he ends up Launching a company. He's running his own incubator right now. So come right out of that. He could fund it himself I'd be interested to see what they came up with maybe to be like a sidekick Android hybrid that we have never really seen like the sidekick was bought by Microsoft before they ever owned Nokia and just Died yeah, and and the funny thing is is that I feel like we're actually in a Really intro a really fun place where like you could get a radical form factor phone Like much in the same way that that the sidekick kind of totally went left from the candy bar You know cell phone Form factor now pretty much all smartphones kind of look exactly the same with very very minor button placement change If there was something radically different that could also affect Your usability of it. I feel like that'd be really rad. We're in a great place for that Google as we told you a while back has been experimenting with Streaming an app from search results so you could try it out when you see it show up in search results and now It's offering a way for advertisers to stream an app within another app When their ad shows up in that second app ads come through Google's ad mob service recode reports one ad type called trial run Let's users try out an app for a minute Without having to download so if you're playing a game for instance and you see an ad for another game You could tap to try that other game and see if you would like it and then download it if you do The second ad type works in full screen or interstitial ads. I think to just make them more dynamic Yo dawg I heard you like apps got apps in your apps. Yeah, I think this is interesting because of the Attempt to solve a problem that the web doesn't have which is how to link one thing to another and show it up I mean we've been doing frames since the 90s But apps just don't really have an easy way to do that No, and this is something that we're gonna talk a little bit more in our discussion topic But so I'll save some of my blazing hot takes but very very interesting and also very very Google Hmm one plus is permanently making its one plus two phone available without an invite starting at midnight December 5th the more affordable one plus acts will be available without an invite temporarily From December 5th through December 7th, so get on your horse and ride Yeah, the public service message from Daily Techniques show Icing recommends reading an ours technical report on the town of Stuart British, Columbia That right now barely has internet and has no cell phone coverage the town's one wireless provider a nonprofit called one Way out net I double checked that to make sure it wasn't fake. It seems to be real Reportedly discontinued service at the end of November after being in business since 1995 It was a non-profit mind you and it just could not make a go of the expensive proposition anymore Residents can now access the internet only through satellite or dial-up and the phone company Tell us is expediting a project to connect the town to fiber, but they say that'll still take 8 to 12 weeks Meanwhile all the movie critics reviewing this sure-to-be horror film have all said two on the nose Yeah, a rural town that loses the internet and is invaded by aliens and cell phone coverage Right like you know Let's just say if you were somebody with bad intentions in in Stuart British, Columbia Like you know, this is when everything happens. Just just leave just go just everybody head to Vancouver pile in the minivan Go to Vancouver for a couple weeks. You're gonna come back. It's gonna be great It's like when you say at your friend's house while your new apartment is getting cable and internet hooked up Suggesting that the entire town of Stuart should just stay over at Vancouver while tell us puts in fiber I mean, would you rather be? I mean like this is a landline. It's not like they're cut off from the outside world I mean Listen, you you can you can have your definition of livability and I can have mine I'm trying to look up whether or not how far Stuart is from Vancouver Because these are the only thing I know is British Columbia. How big can that be? Yeah? I mean it only reaches all the way to the Arctic Circle In gadget reports that Google has developed a nap that allows Android phone users to take what they call VR photos The cardboard camera app uses a panorama photo Oh, which the app then turns into a 360 degree 3d image using the stitching technology from Google's jump VR Platform the app is available today on Google Play stores in 17 languages Tom. Will anybody ever actually use this? Yes Absolutely people are gonna use this for photos and have fun with it and then it will die away in popularity, but Here's what I think is interesting about this Google able to port at least some of the technology from jump into a consumer app Means that we are seeing the beginning of the meeting of those two things jump is an incredibly expensive Professional platform we talked about Nokia's ozo platform The other day and how expensive that is you're talking about tens of thousands of dollars with these things And we're like is there a way for us to do this with the technology we have well Here's one example. It's not video. It's just just a still image at this point, but it's a step, right? Sure, I mean you might as well do I Bill Clinton you there also 17 hours from Stewart to Vancouver worth it TechCrunch reports that Google org has awarded a million dollar grant to the Wayfinder project If you look it up, there's no e in Wayfinder. They couldn't find it Which uses low power Bluetooth beacon technology to help blind and visually impaired people navigate indoor spaces It's really cool. It just gives you audio directions like okay go off go forward a few feet and you'll find stairs go downstairs That's the way to the entrance to the tube stop The goal is to create an open standard for indoor audio navigation instructions and optimize arrangement of Bluetooth low-energy Beacons project is being developed by the Royal London Society for the blind and Monument Valley game creator us to and already has a Pilot program they tested it out at the Pimlico station earlier this year They're testing it out right now at the Euston station of the London Underground The hope is to have version one of the standard available in early 2016 This is amazing I I love number one I I am I am counting me among the people that long for the more robust audio only Internet, you know, and I think that the disability issues are just one simple way that you can continue to make that better Yeah, I I think this is fantastic and Good on us too for for being involved in it not us too, but the company us to them to us too Good on them called us to For doing this go go take a look at the at the project at the Wayfinder project site too. It's it's really interesting how this works I I think this is a good example of accessibility and technology working together awesome And finally the let's encrypt project for free HTTPS certificates has entered public beta the joint Project between EFF and Mozilla can be found at let's encrypt dot org. Yeah, go get your free cert Right now let's encrypt org Uh, and thanks to everybody who submit stories on our subreddit That's how we found out about the town in british columbia of steward. Uh, thanks to icing lots of good stuff in there Please go submit stories or a very least vote stop in for a minute and say that looks good That looks good. That doesn't look good at daily tech news show dot reddit.com and that is a look at the headlines All right, so we had the story, uh About google and the apps in your apps streaming for ads and mark bergen on recode wrote in google's ideal world A mobile app is not a closed space, but an open one a layer for services that can easily connect with one another Like the web, uh, which I would say why don't we work on making the web do that then? Uh apps are siloed. There's no drag and drop In the app world, uh, if you're if you're using an ipad you're using an android tablet Uh, you even even if you're using windows in tablet mode You can't very easily and almost never drag one thing to another Uh, because everything is separated off google's trying to eject some fluidity to that apps can do more than html I get that because of the code they're written in and that brings us to the other story we talked about today apple open sourcing swift Cade metz from wired says The upshot of this project is that coders are free to build and run swift applications on a wider range of machines They can run swift code on both the consumer devices We hold in our hands and the computer servers that deliver the data and services to these devices So we're seeing pressure from coders to build cross-platform We're seeing google from within saying we need to figure out a way to go across the boundaries of these silos The pressure from users and developers is always there to make the thing you want to use run The things you want to use on it Uh, the question has always been Will the makers of those things respond to that? And we're seeing that in these two cases, but justin do you think these grand visions are pointing the way forward? Whether or not And I think that you are absolutely right that every app that I get the most use out of Including those that are hard baked into os 10 and ios and stuff like that are ones that go cross-platform There's a reason why I like my apple watch specifically for messaging and uh with my new macbook pro I can seamlessly, you know from any number of devices. I can continue to message, right? Uh, a wonder list for me has an amazing chrome plugin. It's got a great ios Uh client and and that way I can continue to have the best possible service So I think the idea of things going cross-platform is if not inevitable Certainly going to continue to speed up what I would like to comment on Is google's grand visions because this is a company That has at least twice to my knowledge Had very very grand Unifying visions of the future that they bet very big on and in many times had Either the biggest missed opportunities or their biggest blunders come as part of it Uh, let's go back to the idea of chrome as an operating system Uh in uh, I believe it's the the book in the plex it is described that google Uh believed that the the era of the hard drive Was going away so we were in in in near term future the idea of uploading files Uh was going to be uh passe so much so That they had uh, they neglected and and uh decided to go to not do What the long rumor g drive because everybody thought google infinite storage space Why don't they just let us upload stuff the idea of of You know online storage was hot at the time. They said no we don't want to do g drive Uh, you know, and they eventually did years and years later But they because they believe that everything that you really really needed you'd be able to get off essential repository now in this Omni internet connected web that that decision Led for companies like dropbox and box and and everything else that has come after there Uh to thrive This was a grand unifying vision for google another one was facebook facebook overtaking them the great green wave as it was called Uh that they needed to create a social layer over all their platforms So they could continue to collect this kind of data because they were never going to get it from facebook That became google plus. That's something that's currently, uh, you know being Redapted, uh, there's lots of google plus users and they still use it for groups and and google's leading into that They're they're and they use it for the things but google's saying yeah, okay We see that the groups thing is getting subtraction will lean into that, but you're right. It did not overtake facebook So whenever google gets into these We we are google we have we have decided the future. We were going to lead into it I always or now I kind of take it with a grain of salt because They they have and listen they bet big, you know, there is no doubt about it Like when when they and and who knows whether or not google now under new leadership And and and not the the direct larry and sergi leadership that they've had before Uh is going to be different on on some of this kind of stuff, but I just kind of wonder Whether or not, uh, we are going to see some friction from app creators who are not necessarily thrilled by some of the, uh, the the you know google's, uh Mechanations on this whether or not Like we're going to see friction because this is where people tend to kind of rub up against google when google feels like They're doing something for the larger righteous purpose. Yeah, except they're doing it in ads That's the only thing that makes me that's the whole thing that comes to mind when I hear that argument It's like yeah, remember google wave Uh, even gmail when it started it was going to be like no folders. We don't need folders, right? Lots of high concepts, but when google does ads They tend to do it right and they tend to do it in the way that the advertisers want And so that's the difference with the ad mod thing is Hey, if you want to advertise your app and emulate it or or let people try it You can do that it puts all the control in the advertiser And advertisements is something where they generally haven't had that over grand vision Uh, that's you know, and so the search results I think you have to be a participant and say yeah, it's okay if my my app does that At least for now so I and I assume that google will continue that so they might not get too much friction for map makers Unless it's the friction of I really don't like that people are doing this. I just want people to download my app I don't want them to feel like they could try it same So I don't know that google is being grand concept in this particular case Uh, I I think this is more Responding to an advertiser need as well as Responding to the limitations of the mobile web and the mobile website is where they could be maybe accused of being too grand But I think they're just solving a problem that apps as fundamentally have And and you may be right that it doesn't end up taking off But it may just lead to us saying we really need to make A version of html, maybe html 6 Maybe you can do it in html 5 That gives us all of the things that we get out of apps while allowing that cross platform compatibility that html has And and again There are a lot of amazing tenets to what they want to do including and the recode goes into this They're they're religious fanaticism in terms of reducing latency So so you do not get a degraded app performance when you stream it you get what feels like a native app performance when you stream it And and that's something that I think Nobody would argue that like yes. No google, please don't uh improve the concept of latency in terms of streaming things Yeah, and and maybe open sourcing swift isn't the silver bullet for this But there are more languages than just swift That are open sourced and being used in this manner and those languages are showing that hey We actually want a cross platform situation that we can use in lots of different places So whether it's rust or go or d or maybe swift Maybe one of them ends up Becoming that thing that i'm talking about that integrates into html, which you know, it's just a markup language It's not really designed to do a lot of stuff JavaScript has carried all of the heavy programming For a long time and derivatives of that So I I feel like these two things neither one I think you're absolutely right neither one of these things are the are the grand vision the grand solution But they are signposts they are pointing that like hey people want to go that direction And I think more people may take that hint I mean this is again to go back to the recode article In google's ideal world is a quote in google's ideal world a mobile app is not a closed space But an open one a layer of services that can easily connect Like with one another like the web That's that's what they want to do and and all I'll say is that This is where google tends to start stepping on toes if they believe that they are only five degrees away from the future And they have the power within their own system to get themselves there Let's get to our pick of the day jesse from indianapolis has a pick called i shows two Which he calls the best tv show tracking app available on ios It's a universal app may not be as feature rich as some other apps in the category But it does a lot of things very well including finding shows to add your to your list Keeping tabs on all of your shows and when they are or have aired including push notification support Tracked dot tv integration for sync multiple customization options a today widget for your notification center and 3d touch support Best of all the app is a joy to navigate and interact with full disclosure I'm a beta tester says jesse and I have been for most of the year But seeing as I was a fan of i shows one well beforehand. I hope this removes any conflict of interest Simply put if you need an app to track your shows jesse highly recommends downloading i shows two and giving it a shot It's free on the app store for tracking three shows And three ninety nine if you want to go past that so it's got a little paywall in there But it gives you a chance to try it out and see if you like it before you pay With peak tv as everyone's calling it These kinds of apps are more and more useful for a lot of people so this is You know, let's say I like the nick right and uh And and so this helps me know when it comes on or winter new episodes coming out. Oh crap I forgot I'd forgot to set my my dvr the haven haven season premiere happened and I missed it that kind of stuff Got you got you rad man Send your picks to us folks feedback at daily tech news show dot com you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks A couple messages of the day Jonathan the unofficial dts facilities manager and co-executive producer from autoa canada wrote in and and a separate person Who is a co-executive producer from autoa canna wrote in talking about us discussing thunderbird and how mozilla is indicating They want to separate thunderbird away into its own project Uh scott particularly was like how many people are using thunderbird and uh our emailer says at work I use linux on my desktop and internally we have microsoft exchange for email It does have imap and smt enabled so I use thunderbird as my email client under linux There are probably not that many people in the same boat as me But thunderbird is definitely my best option as a linux email client And then jonathan uh works at oracle and says You know, they give us the option to in fact, they encourage us to use open office and thunderbird You can imply for a microsoft office line a license, but some employees stick with the free and open source options Despite having a license to outlook. I felt that thunderbird was faster easier and provided better search capability Well, it's different enough from outlook that i'm sometimes disadvantaged. I'm happy with my choice But he does say my typical co-worker on the other hand gets confused and asks what program i'm using whenever they come By my desk for help with something so a couple thunderbird users out there. I knew there would be Oh, I mean if if you're gonna find thunderbird users I think listeners to daily tech news podcasts are probably going to be the best place to head And sebastian from germany said i'd like to add something to the comment a listener made during dts 26 37 About people living in the country and not getting all the new services He was our emailer there was speculating will we have an urban divide in these sorts of things Eric schmidt uh from alphabet formerly known as google visited Sebastian's university yesterday and during the session he talked about future cities and such Uh, sebastian says he expressed the opinion that in the near future everything will happen in big cities cities will get denser Buildings will get taller He said that after talking about a future of ai and self-driving cars and the sharing model for cars The idea being that the cities become more and more attractive because of all these services and the ease of living Thought that might interest the listeners and all feel free to summarize my mail. Oh, sorry. I read it all because it was too good Uh, he's got a reference here too to a uh a link that's in german So if you read german you might be able to to read up a little more about what eric schmidt said But yeah furthering that idea of a big technology thinker saying. Oh, yeah, everybody just move into cities Well, everybody may not want to move into cities You know, there was a there was an amazing curt vonnegut short story that that has always stuck with me About the the era where we are in one big mega city, right? And and also we have effectively cured death and things are so So dense that everybody lives on top of one each one another Uh, and and it's a great story. I wish I remember the name of it, uh and uh It always stuck with me until I started doing lecture tours with andrew man And I had to drive through the vast majority of open space Which we have Into this great country and i'm sure similar and many many others And you kind of realize wow, we've got a lot of places to spread and and uh, although Erich schmidt, I think makes some good points and they're the reason why people move to cities You know, they were when it was like, you know, uh, uh public transportation and uh publicly available electricity That's the reason why people move to cities because of creature comforts like that and cities have gotten denser But I don't think we've quite seen the Everybody is flocking to the city center because of the advancements. Well, and it's it's it's attitudes like erich schmidt's I think that upset folks who do live in rural areas because yes Well electricity brought a lot of people into the cities It also required a rural electrification project in this country to bring the electricity out Uh into other areas. So sometimes you need to organize And say hold on we need we need you to bring some of those services here And I guess it's it depends on what those services are we we're still trying to get internet as the steward british columbia Yeah, this is a story showed we're still trying to get internet out into those areas of many countries So uh, and of course many countries need to be wired altogether And if you're interested in in the sacrifices that people make for electricity, there's a great documentary about the tennessee valley authority called Oh brother, where are that that you can that you could watch? You know, my uncle worked for the tennessee valley authority. Really? 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That's right I've never seen a more thunderbird successful content company gets so crubbed on I heard you like stream apps Yeah 50 shades of uber. I think there's only like six shades of uber. Yeah They're all gray Um Take their red uber. That's not a title, but it should be that's good. I like that red uber I also like apple gets swifty um What do you like what do you like people cloud apless That's pretty dang clever I I do like gets swifty though. Yeah, unless we've already done a get gets swifty. I don't think we have Not to my knowledge You can't handle the truth Show me open sword Show me your source code If anyone doesn't know what we're going on about you have to watch rick and morty, that's all I can say All right, and if you don't want to watch rick and morty, don't worry about it. You're not man. It's whatever just We just like it Yeah, empire strikes back pretend i'm dumb about star wars went up this morning Oh So far the favorite line on twitter is uh, finally getting back to the feel of the first three episodes Nice and we're levelated So we're we've got two of our holiday episodes in the camp Uh, jenny and rich and shane and is is anyone else helping you? I started naming people and realized On the best of Yeah, that's it so far Uh, yeah, so we're working hard on the best of uh, and then we've got The analysts quarterly show Which the analysts are all lined up for from the analyst level on patreon and the um Watch them a show with the predictions. That's next week next. We'll we'll record it next week Yeah predictions ready justin. Um, no and although this time i'm gonna read all of them That uh, that reminds me we should actually tell all our contributors remind them that it's next week and then Say have two or three predictions I should do that That would be good But where should I do it? Should I do it in slack or should I do it in email email? Not not every not all of them go to the slack every day I want to end email Jenny started a war on email All right, we're going with apple gets swifty Seven votes. Oh, yeah Uh, all right Back to the grind, but I will talk to you guys. All right, man. Good show As always friends, uh a treat See you later. Adios Make sure nothing else burns in my neighborhood. Oh my gosh. Yeah That's an act of faith. I'm gonna go do an internet show. Hope hope nothing else Well, I heard I heard like, uh, what sounded like a truck show up, but that's also normal behavior for this Uh for this neighborhood. So it's probably just going to a construction something but I was like, are they tearing down that house already? You and I both had weird mornings because, um Uh, all of a sudden I heard massive gunfire in my neighborhood and I was like that's disturbing I was like, this is disturbing, but it doesn't sound right It doesn't sound right. There were no follow-up sounds like ambulances or police cars or helicopters And nothing started showing up in any of the feeds and I was like, what could it be? And I everybody likes to bag on twitter a lot including me But I did just go to twitter and type in some, you know, hollywood gunfire and boop They're popped up a little tweet that says, hey everybody just want to let you know that ncisla is filming in central hollywood today Uh, so You know if you hear gunfire, it's okay. A lot of people are still freaked out and I was like So my thoughts were well, that was really useful Information that I got on twitter and my second thought was you don't think they should have postponed that maybe a day Just maybe people are a little on edge, but anyway, so I that was my morning. You I had fake gunfire Uh, repeated because of course you have to get the reverses Uh, and then you had a fire Yeah That is It's it's been been an interesting morning. What was really interesting to me is the dogs never budged like Freakin ups driver Hover's in front of our house for too long and Sawyer goes off, but With none of this did they ever they're like, I mean, I was like that's what I was partly comforted by that yeah um I'll tell you day five of a cracked phone display is one day too many I know people who just use cracked phone displays for ever like that's just their display My friends do but I'm just like but I can't read the words Mine isn't like a little cracked mine is like three separate crack points, but I mean I really just like Straight down. Yeah, I've seen I've seen people with like starburst patterns. I'm like, how do you use that? You can't see anything. Oh, I figured out I work around also You get these little tiny pieces of It's not shards of glass It's just that weird feeling that it might be shards of glass. Well, that's that. Who's the comedian that did the apple commercial? Oh No, no, no, no more much more recent than that. Um Doing a horrible job of explaining it. There was a saturday night live guy Who he just left and he did a commercial for a phone and it was it was basically he had a cracked phone and he He wasn't maybe it was for a carrier because it was about maybe it was a t-mobile commercial And his oh, it's a hater. Yes. Thank you And his fingers were bleeding because he was using his cracked phone Bill haters my fave and he couldn't get the text message that his wife had to go to the emergency room. Yeah, yeah I remember that that's it Don't be a hater unless you're billy be a hater then be yourself I don't believe I don't believe the four inch iphone expected to launch early 2016. I just don't believe it It's probably wrong I'm so confused as to why we need all these different inches of phone Is that for people small hands? That's bargain Okay, that's my guess Hmm, you know, I really won't settle until the phone is in front of my eyes You want the magic leap? I do. I actually really do I am so excited to share my prediction next week about that. I thought you might be excited about this This app for turning pictures into vr. I am actually in fact I that was the first moment when I read that one where I was like, oh, I should have a phone I should have a samsung phone And I should get the gear vr and like it clicked for me that I was like, oh, I should do that Well, but yeah, I mean this this app you don't need a samsung phone You do need an android phone So you'd be killing two birds with one stone if you but I figured if you're going to get the gear vr You should probably get the samsung phone, right? Well, but the gear the gear vr only works with samsung But this this app was for cardboard. No, I know I know But I'm thinking if I go all the way back into the android universe I should probably get the thing that works with the vr thing. Well, yeah, I mean sure that's my overarching big picture I feel like the gear vr is going to be left behind because it only works with samsung Oculus only work with windows Computer yeah, I think so but everybody has windows computers. It's not the same split as android I don't Is that this is basically oculus if oculus rift only worked with hp windows computers? I know that's but I know but i'm saying I i'm thinking about practically me jenny josephson How will I get vr the fastest? And well, yeah gear vr right now is the fastest i'm just talking about its future proof. No, I get that but I um I guess for me really practically speaking it will have to come through the playstation Oh the uh project morpheus. What is it called playstation vr now? Yeah, sony v playstation because I will not likely buy a windows computer for the purpose of oculus even though I get weird fetchy grabby need for it every once in a while But but since I already have a playstation for that seems much more likely So I guess i'm just waiting for sony Or the htc. Well, you don't have any windows computers at all. No the last windows computer we had was a Get a power more powerful computer if you want to do vr max aren't good enough I know except for the pro, but I don't think they're even going to bother. Yeah supporting it. Um But doesn't that mean weird things for apple computers In the future if they presume that vr is going to be useful Or do they think it's only going to be useful for games? This is a storied conversation about why isn't apple adopting this technology and why is it adopting this other technology and Apple seems to survive somehow Uh, it goes back to what we're talking about with apple and gaming with patrick. That that's what I that's what I Think I don't ever use an apple computer to game. I'm just I'm so console centric If if virtual reality gets to the point where everyone wants it Apple will have a solution somehow. Yeah, they'll purchase or it'll either be We've we are now supporting. We're you know, we're bringing out our friends from oculus You know, it'll be that or they'll have their own they'll their own solutions somehow like you say they'll either buy somebody or make it That'll be interesting. I am Yeah, I really want vr in my life so badly But I don't want to pay what I think I'm gonna have to pay for the first iteration of oculus Yeah, it's not gonna be cheap Well, if you get a computer, you're gonna have to give me try it on the pc yeah at the front up for like Pretty expensive video cards to go. Yeah. I mean, that's the other thing. It's even just you can't go buy a Uh thin and light windows laptop. I can't expect to run the oculus. All right Come on sony You can't do it All right. Well, thanks everybody for watching I'm just gonna finish up uploading here, but I hope you all have a good day Y'all have fun now here. We'll see you later