 You said this is okay that we are going live. So this is what do you mean by live. Okay, never mind. Good evening. The appointed hour five o'clock p.m. has been reached and I welcome everyone to this meeting of the Amherst Design Review Board. My name is Catherine Porter chair of the Amherst Design Review Board and I call this meeting to order Governor Baker's March 12 2020 order suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law and we are gathering in one place the public for the public hearing the public will not be able to attend this meeting as we are on zoom. In other words, no in person attendance will be available today. We will begin with a roll call of the members of the design review board who have been in paneled for the consideration of items on tonight's agenda. Board members, please say I or yes to acknowledge that you are in attendance. I see. Eric Zekos. Yes. Tom long. I don't think we have Lindsey Schnar or Catherine Davis and maybe they'll be joining us, but we do have a quorum. and is Marine Pollock planner and staff liaison to the design review board. The design review board and its accompanying zoning regulations were created by a town meeting in October of 1983. The charge and purpose of the design review board under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw is to preserve and enhance the town's cultural, economic and historical resources by providing for a detailed review of all changes in land use, the appearances of structures and the appearance of sites, which may affect these resources. The design review board exercises this responsibility by providing design review and recommendations to private applicants and permit granting boards within specific overlay zoning districts in the town center. The design review overlay district and the town common design review overlay district. Design review is also provided for town departments and permit granting boards with respect to town projects anywhere and Amherst, which will result in substantial alteration to the form or appearance of a structure or site. All design review board meetings are open to the public and are recorded by town staff. Each meeting recording will be uploaded to the town of Amherst YouTube channel for public viewing. The procedure is as follows. The petitioner presents the application to the board during the meeting, after which the board will ask questions for clarifications or additional information. After the board has completed its questions, the board will deliberate. If the board feels it has enough information and time, it will decide upon recommendations for each respective application. Once the board has voted on its recommendations, the staff liaison will type up the recommendations for distribution to the applicant, board, applicable land use board and building commissioner. And today's agenda is currently on the screen. So we have, I'm gonna start in this order, Maureen. DRB FY20, 22-14 Downtown Amherst Foundation to review the proposed changes to the entrance doors and exterior building facade for the Drake, a new live performance and music venue under section 3.2 of the zoning bylaw located at 44 North Pleasant Street, General Business Zoning District. Who is here tonight, Maureen, too? We have Gabrielle Gould. Oh, Gabrielle's here, okay. Make her a panelist. All right, okay. There she is coming up. And then if Gabrielle, if you could share your screen. Okay, there we are. Be helpful. Yep. I can, let me just also find the document. Sorry, everybody, give me two seconds. Sorry, everyone, talk to those yourselves. Maureen, has anybody else joined us? Did, as Lindsay, you're... Not yet. Okay, or Catherine, okay. Maureen, do you have those drawings? Yeah, if you go to the calendar, why don't you stop your share screen? Okay. If you go to the town calendar, it's part of this board, the meeting packet for tonight. Sorry, I just, I need a type minutes. So I can't... No, no, no, no, no. I completely understand. Just give me, just everybody like catch up on all your wonderful lives. Is everybody watching me trying to get this out? Yeah, don't be nervous. No, it's only live and being recorded. Design review board, okay, I'm getting there. Don't worry, there's only three attendees. That's right. That's like the most that we get, so usually. Yeah, only Jeremy have four, don't we? Yeah, generally four. Yeah, we've been pretty good about 10 years. Okay. Okay, great. Okay, I am coming back to you all. Now I just have to find where I put you. There you are. Share a screen. We're getting there. Okay. Hi. So... Here we go. Here we go. So you all know the exterior of this really beautiful downtown piece of architecture. And we have realized that... And can you all see my arrow? Yes. Great. This is what we really need the main entrance to be, and to do that and to be ADA and fire code compliant, it does need to be double doors that swing out. So what we would like to do is take these doors here and replace this section here with these same doors. Also, back in here, we have discovered that there is backstage space because there was a floor through ceiling brewery from the first floor, and there's no longer a brewery downstairs. So we were able to turn this into a backstage area. For example, we went with the Amherst Ballet Group today and their students are going to perform here and that's the perfect place for them to make their antiques with an egg without us. We do not want this to be visual to the public. So what we would like to do is make this a... Where's John Hughes drawing? So this is the doors that you were looking at straight ahead. We would like to do this as a solid with the upper still glass, but do it a frosted existing glass transom, and then make this a solid and will keep the burgundy and the black colors that are already on the building as the trim and the interior. And then, of course, the doors would come over here and be the double swinging doors that you already have here. So keeping the same color schematic, just switching the doors and making this a solid feature. Yeah. Nice. And so that would be, Gabrielle, that would be a double door but with no paneling, right? You're still having a double door. So Catherine, there will be a glass panel here, transom panels on top, and then the double door. Double door, yeah, okay. But the door where you have the wall, that will be a wall, not a door. Exactly. That's what I mean, yeah. Yep. Okay. And, Gabrielle, if I could, the door, the existing door is going to be infilled. I see this as MDF plywood to replace doors. Can you just clarify how that's going to be finished with the exterior finish will be? Yeah, it will be painted this, sort of either, we're actually would love to have your thoughts on it. We were either going to go with this burgundy that ties in with the brick, or we could do a black square there, that would just be sort of unintrusive and sort of disappear. I think the burgundy would actually tie in nicely and we're fine with that color scheme. It's not really, once it's not lit, I think it's going to sort of disappear. It's at the end of that long ramp way up. Yeah, I mean, I can kind of, I can see it as a place where you're going to post posters for upcoming events and, you know. Probably, I mean, at some point, we'd love to have the funding to come back to you with an actual old style marquee panel that can go here, but that's another fundraising venture. They're way more expensive than you think. One at a time. One at a time, exactly. So Tom, do you have any questions or thoughts about this? No, it made perfect sense to me. And I can see that, you know, if you're doing it for ADA reasons, it's an easy switch. I do think that you have, that is an opportunity. It's an anchor, you know, to your walk. So people will be walking up there. They're facing that directly. So I mean, I think having it a color is great. I think, you know, finding an opportunity to put up a bulletin board without coming events or anything that's not too ostentatious or in your face, but it's, you know, something that people will see as they walk up or wait outside. So it's an opportunity. So I wouldn't let it go either. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like the idea of color. So they should not walk into sort of a big black space, at least try it out with the color. And then perhaps, you know, as things move along, you may feel that black's a better background if you're gonna have a sign, you know, signs or posters up. But... So I think that I think that I'm lacking a better word. I mean, it's a nice dark wine color. I don't think that's exactly burgundy, but I think that we can pick up the brick hues and make it look, we're not gonna try and co-brick it. We all know that that never looks good. Yeah, if everybody here likes the idea of a burgundy, we felt very comfortable with that. Yeah. Could I ask, I've been wondering, this is not on your topic tonight, but are you having tables and chairs? Is it gonna be sort of like a bistro kind of cabaret or is it gonna be rows of chairs? How, what's the interior going to look like? So it is, everybody is welcome to come and do a tour, I'd love to show it to you. We just finished building our stage and taking out all the columns that we replaced with steel beams on the ceiling. So it is a beautiful, very long open space and it has three different ways that it can be set up. One is a standing room only, so that would be for more, you know, dance events or rock and roll events. And the second is theater seating and we just this afternoon ordered all of our seats from a company that we found. So that's about 170 seats in a theater seating and we found that relatively as good as it gets for something that we actually need to be able to fold the chair. And then the third setting is with 24 inch and 36 inch round tables in a cabaret jazz style. So there's three different layouts depending on who the performer is and what that warrants. Nice. And are you serving any food or beverages up there? We have a full bar with a full liquor license. We will have two food items that are always available for free but our job is to compliment downtown, not compete with it. So our goal is to get people to go out and enjoy our restaurants here and then come and enjoy a show with us. Okay. Okay. So any other questions from Erica or Tom? Marine, do you have anything to ask or add at this point? So did you want to have any board recommendations? I heard Tom say that you know, you maybe have a bulletin board or I think we don't want to like demand that. Yeah, maybe in the future, consider it. Invest in a bulletin board. I think that the thing is the the color. I think we're all agreeing that painting that surface, the matching maroon makes sense. And then acknowledging that it might become a space for posting. And okay. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Mike. Yeah. Okay. So is there a motion that we approve this? The changes in the entrance for the Drake? Erica. Oh, Tom moved. Erica, second. Okay. All in favor. I say hi. What's the three of us? What a big production. Okay. All right. Thank you. Carry on. Okay. Yes. Thanks for coming in. Hi. All right. Thank you. Hi. Okay. So next we have Jeff Craze and let me. Well, Jeff is not here, but maybe I. Oh, is it star nine? Oh, are you representing the humble peach? No, but if they're not here, I will absolutely jump on. I don't know if Jenna, I think you press star nine. Oh, OK, OK. So she's coming on. OK, so you're relieved. Gabriel, if you don't, if you don't want to stay. OK, OK, so we have Jenna. Who it will be representing the humble peach, which is a new vegan bakery at the former beloved Kenyon Bakery at 174 North Pleasant Street. Hi, Jenna. Hi, we're both here. Oh, great. How are you all? Great. If you if you could introduce yourselves and share your screen and explain to show and to explain your proposed proposed changes to to the exterior at 174 North Pleasant Street. I'll add I didn't get a chance. You had emailed me photos of the existing conditions outside of the bakery and you had a sketch of what what the out the tables and chairs would look like outside. So just make sure to show that so board members can get a chance to see that. Thanks. Yeah, absolutely. I'm jet actually jet like an airplane craze. Not Jeff, but either way, usually confused with Jack, but. And this is I'm Jenna. I'm where the co-owners of what will be the humble peach, whereas now that or what where what was the Kenyon Bakery, as I'm that I'm sure you're all familiar with. And all we plan to do is recover the existing awning, which is now pink with a. Green color and are ready, which I can show you. And I will pull that up right now. Are we sharing our screen, Jenna? She's better at this. Get it ready. And then we can share the screen. Oh, there it was. It's your screen. So that's. And yeah, and what's everything that's green now is currently pink. So it's really just. It's not going to be quite that green. Yeah, that was the best that we could get with the. Yeah, maybe not a shopping. It'll be a little bit of a darker. Yeah, probably. It depends on the vinyl fabric colors available. But, you know, some type of more probably a darker green, hopefully. Oh, we're going to be using Chilson's awning, which apparently did Henian's awning years ago. And so we're just waiting to get swatches from them of like what the actual color will be. And once we have that, we can show that to you guys. But we'd like it to be a green like this with the white writing. It's actually like a backlit. There's lighting built into the awning. And then some gold writing on the door window that's already existing. And then we'd like to add a little bit more gold writing on the top of the big picture window. So what are you going to? What's the message? What are you going to put on what you're writing? I've added what's on the door, which you can barely see. Is breads, pastries, cakes, which will probably change a little bit. Maybe soup. You know, you know, I'm not sure exactly what we put there. What we have on this big picture window. It says seasonal, local, sustainable currently. OK, so just something of that nature. Sure. Yeah. And it may change it seasonally as well. Yeah, there maybe we'll do. Yeah. But something obviously very simple and not really a change other than just color from what they're currently is. And could you show members the stock photos for the tables and chairs for outside and your floor plan for outside? Yeah, so that's that's the front part. And then. Can you show the photo for us? Do you see that? Do they see this? Yes. Yes, so here's. Oh, no, no, we still see the humble. We still see like the awning only. OK, I think we have to hold on. It's like a stop share. Yeah, you have to. Do you know how to do that, Jenna? First, go through these and find the right one. Use these arrows here. I think show this first. OK, sorry. So this is just a little bit further back picture from the sidewalk. So you can see this whole patio space. That's brick. That's part of the property. And then the sidewalk that's perpendicular to it is like the town sidewalk. So we would remove this bench and add seating to some tables and chairs to where that patio very narrow strip there is in front of the picture window. It's about an eight foot wide strip. So then a mock up of what that would be. This is the birds eye view. Now you have the. Town sidewalk at the bottom and the main entrance is at the top. Yeah, so we're not. We're just still filling out the application. We're not sure exactly how many tables and chairs will be permitted, but it would just quite simply be to place tables and chairs that would be folding. They would come in at night out on the patio during the day. And probably. They would be how do we share again? They would be ones like similar to these. Are you thinking about umbrellas? Well, that's a good idea. You know, maybe it might be nice to have umbrellas. Of course, there are some complications with that, but. That's a great idea. And I don't know that I'm definitely not required, but certain times of the day. That's pretty. It would definitely be nice to have something to think about. You just have to worry about making sure you're aware of the wind conditions. That's right. Yeah, I don't want umbrellas blowing around the street. Of course. Yeah, right. Well, and also what if you do, then we probably need to know the color. So we'd have a sense of the whole thing outside. I guess we would definitely probably just go with green again. It's very similar green, if not if possible, the same green as the awning. Certainly in that case. Or or a white. I mean, if we weren't going to get custom ones, I guess we would just go with a simple sort of white or off white, you know, patio umbrella style thing. Yeah, yeah, definitely nothing. We definitely want to be, you know, low key and not. No, right. Yeah, just sort of look nice and. Well, I think the share of their umbrellas blue. And I don't know if they do they ever put umbrellas? I've never noticed umbrellas there, but somebody help me with that. Don't you know, I feel like they. Oh, man, I feel like they have umbrellas, but now maybe I'm making that up. You know, I'm wondering, too, and I'm looking at the Google Street View and there's no umbrellas out front. Yeah, I don't remember. I seemed like they put out some umbrellas, but I may be wrong on that. Because yeah, I don't remember ever seeing umbrellas. Right. OK. But I'd say thumbs up to either of those strategies either to go with the the kind of neutral tone of the the white. Yeah, your text or the same green as the awning. I think either one of those could work. Yeah. Yeah. My only thought is it might it might be a good idea to. Clarify whether Cher has umbrellas of what color they are, because these two places are so close. So yeah, it's like to have something that that compliment or one another, not I don't know that green against blues, a bad thing, but, you know, and you may not even go with the umbrellas because you're going to have to get a table that holds them. And, you know, so I don't want to complicate things. But right. Just thinking once that topic comes to your head, I mean, where does it lead you? And what do you mean? One of the one of the things you probably want to pay attention to is the fact that umbrellas will be potentially blocking the view of your awning signage. So probably want to check that out before you go down that path because as soon as you put up one out at that edge by the sidewalk and then a series behind that, it's basically going to block the point from different angles of the signage. Which I think, you know, it's nice. You have, you know, baked goods and people will be wanting to eat outside and enjoy it, but and umbrellas are always nice. But it's in the way of people seeing your signage. So we probably have to bring all that stuff in at night just so it doesn't get stolen really. Yeah, definitely. So there's that to consider. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, if you raised your hand, if you guys or we want to take a panel yet, can we? Oh, sure. Yeah. Just sorry, I just I'm I just wondering about whether the color and font that we saw on your awning image, is this do you have a graphic kind of package already established? Is this like the color scheme and fonts that you're using for your menus and and other things, or is that still open to discussion? That's that's open to discussion. That's just a classic, like old standard font, like an old fashioned type of font that that that all the type is on the awning. And, you know, we like we want to sort of go, you know, we're definitely going with simple sort of substance over style approach in general and. Yeah, it has it has a kind of a hearty, kind of trustworthy quality to it. I just, you know, I'm thinking about like when you have limited space, sometimes having that serif makes things a little harder to read. And so you combine to maybe the humble peaches and something that is kind of like a simpler font than plant based bakery and all the text on the window that's a little smaller could be in the serif or something like that. And then I was also wondering about the hearts, which is such a nice callback to Henian because they have the double heart. But do you want it to be a peach? Like, yeah, right. The thing is like the humble peaches really more metaphoric, I guess, of peaches and like a person that's a peach. Like there's there's not going to be peaches on the menu, except when peaches are in season. So it's not like we're all about peaches. It's just the humble peach more is a thing I think to describe a person, you know, for example, as though they're such a humble peach. So so we might we're actually thinking of just eliminating the maybe the hearts altogether and not having anything there. We're still working on a logo. But that that was the other option was to put a little peach there in place of the hearts, which which we would do if there was to be something there would be a little peach, just just like that, just a white outline of a peach, which we actually have drawn. But yeah, we just is still working on some of those small details. So Tom, did you have some thoughts? Not I mean, not in particular. I mean, if it's not really the final graphics, I think it's hard to give feedback on it. So I think, you know, we probably want to see something before I could critique it, because it just seems like, you know, there's going to be no hearts in this may or may not be the typeface. It's hard to critique it. So I think we're we're pretty into the typeface. I mean, I was just, you know, I'm, you know, open, obviously, to what you know, guys all have to say. So in that sense, you know, OK, that was my understanding of the purpose of this meeting is if, you know, if someone has I'm definitely open to changing. We're definitely open to changing our minds based on what you guys say. You know, of course. Right. No, no, I understand that. I mean, I feel like, you know, you guys, you guys have time to your or it seems like you have more creativity in you that you want to explore before you put it on the side. That's all. Yeah. I mean, I guess as far as we're because I mean, if it would make a big difference to all, if there was those hearts were replaced by peaches or just eliminated, then perhaps that's an issue. But other than the potential changing of those hearts to peaches of just a similar white outline or just eliminating them, we don't foresee any significant changes to the audience. Well, in that case, yeah. Yeah. I mean, if that's the case, then I don't think it makes significant. Difference. To, you know, your contribution to the town's streetscape, whether the parts are there or not there or our peaches or hearts. And my my feedback to you with regards to design is that I think that the. The text, it just it feels dense. And that if you could, I don't know, loosen it up a little bit, maybe by making it just a notch smaller or something like that. If you're going to stick with that font, then just kind of reduce it a little bit. Right. Yeah. You mean the plant which which the humble peach or the plant based it's taking up too much space as a whole. I think there because it's pushing up against the edges. Yeah, it probably wants at least a foot or more around just to give it some space to float on that front. Yeah, that's probably a good call. Because also if you're viewing it from an angle, you'd be obscured by the buildings. Yeah, it'll be the humble pea and then we'll have the wrong. The wrong fruit. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I do think it would be important for us maybe to see the green that you come up with. This may be I mean. I think realistically, you're probably going to find a cover that's not going to be as bright, but probably more traditionally, you know, darker green, which seems like would fit best in there. But right. Might be worth us seeing that color. Could we drop off some fabric with you, Maureen? Maybe how would that work? Because obviously you can never show something on a computer screen and expect anyone to see the exact color. Yeah, that would work. When the marine, you could get up and then send it to the send. Oh, yeah, sure. I mean, if that works for everyone, I could take a photo of it or each of you could stop by Town Hall to take a look. Whatever would make sense on your end. I don't know. I could probably mail you all a little piece of it. I don't see how that would be too hard because you like it. Yeah, even with photos, you take a photo. It's going to look different depending on. That's right. Yeah. All right. Well, yeah, if you have multiple samples, you can drop it off with me and I can mail it to members. I mean, is that something that would interest you, Erica and Tom to see and to see the options for the green? Or are you OK if it came out this bright? I mean, I don't I'm not a huge fan of this particular brightness, but also my guess is that this color will never come out in a fabric and nor would it even really come out in a paint quite so bright. So, you know, I feel like even if this were it were this bright, but it was on canvas, it would or, you know, vinyl, it wouldn't be quite as shiny and bright. So I'm not as bothered by it because I'm not afraid it's going to look like I don't think it'll ever look quite like this considering that what's there now is pink. Yeah, I think I think it's going to tone down. Right. Yeah, there's something to be said for having something that's quite bright. Yeah, your storefront is recessed. Yeah. And I also think you wanted to be distinct from the Noel's Flower Shop. Right, which it would be. Yeah. So I don't have a problem with making. I don't want to make make a big deal about it. If we're comfortable, I see that we're comfortable with this. And it's OK. And actually, who knows what color you'll find. But any rate, so OK. Don't any other comment. Where was Gabrielle? Does she did she want to say say something, Marine? She. Yeah, Gabrielle, if you still have something to comment on or ask a question, you can press star nine, I believe she's still there. Can you hear me? Yes. Yeah. Oh, OK. I just when when everybody was talking about the awnings and everything, and I want to remind everybody of the sunset that are behind them. And there are those big, beautiful trees in front of them that give both Hastings, Cher and Noel, quite a bit of shade in the summer months. So just when they're thinking about, you know, the offensive umbrellas and pulling them in and pulling them out, remember, you've got shade. And also, I know it seems unfathomable, but we're all going to want to be in the warm sun again at some point. Yeah. Yeah. OK. All right. Any other comments? Any other comments or questions? If not, do I hear? What would be the recommendation from you, Erica, was and maybe Tom, to try to pull in the. Produce the stents of the of the text on the awnings. So that there's for readability, the text will be a little bit smaller. OK, OK. Yeah, I think that's that's a good call. Yeah, we're looking back at the Henian bakery one that we could show you. And it is not. Yeah, we could reshare that. I'm sure that you want to go on top of each other. Yeah, you can see it. There's a little bit smaller. Yeah, yeah, well, maybe we'll go more to a width that's similar to their overall. Yeah, yeah. Overall, OK. Both, you know, shrink both fonts together. And then were there any recommendations about the. The graphic, the heart versus peach. You know, I guess. OK, cool. Yeah. So reduce the font size of the signage on the awnings. So there's more room around the border or breathing room. OK, and I think that was it. That was it. OK. Do I hear a motion that we approve this petition? OK, Erica, OK. All in favor, please indicate by saying aye. Aye. All right. Very excited, Jen and Jenna, what are you going to be open? Well, hopefully April 1st, maybe that's what we're hoping for, but we'll see if things take wrong, but it'll probably take a little longer than that. Yeah, well, hopefully smoothly. You know, it's a bakery I can finally go to. So I'm excited about that. Oh, are you into plan based food? I am all plan based. Yep. Nice. That's awesome. We are where it's like we're just like, why is there not a place like this? I don't know. You know, why is there not a place? Very good. There's going to be. Yeah, well, thank you so much. Yeah, I'm really excited about the Drake, I just have to say, by the way. Yeah, that'll be awesome, too. And yeah, and thank you guys so much. That's really that's really good feedback. Really appreciate it. Good luck. All right. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. Bye. OK, now what do we have next up? We have graphic impact signs to review a proposed building wall sign located at Bank ESB East Hampton Savings Bank at 253 Triangle Street. And we have Chad here from Graphic Impact Signs. OK, so what do you want to what would you like us to take a look at? Good evening, everyone. Can you guys see my screen or not yet? Not yet. Here we go. Here we go. So let's do this. So this is just the overall image of what we're looking to do. So what we're looking to do is install one thirty four and three quarters inch high by sixty six inch wide, which is sixteen square feet, permanent sign frame structure that has actually a changeable marketing advertisement panel inside of it. The marketing image is projected to change six times annually. And prior to each change, a copy of that proposed marketing image would be sent into the office with the proposed date of the change of said marketing panel. The intent of this application is to have the permanent sign frame permitted in the way that you guys approve of it, but also have the marketing image changeable so that the marketing campaigns can be done in a more of a professional manner than just banners, but also allow their marketing image to change over the course of the year. And just because of this process, they're afraid that if they had to come before the board each time before the change of a marketing image that they actually wouldn't be able to achieve the advertising campaign that they're trying to do by having to come before the board and get the approval before they can start such campaign. So we're just looking to install this on actually the rear of the building. In addition to the wall sign there, that's over kind of the entrance. This is where a majority of the patrons park in the back of the parking lot there to use the entranceway in the back there. So that's why we kind of chose this location, because it's going to give more effect to public view. So what you're showing us is that what you. Yeah, I'm a little lost. You showed on the earlier slide, a diagram of different sizes. So are you expanding the size of the sign to fit into those parameters there? No, so this is an additional frame that is getting installed. I don't know if you can see my mouse here on the screen. Yeah, OK. And next to the rear wall sign there. So that sign frame is actually it's kind of like a system that allows you to open and take the panel out. And then you can install a new marketing panel inside of it. OK, so you slip it in and out, depending on what. Correct, but it's soundly held inside the structure and when I fall out ever. OK, all right. Had that on the on the back wall there, the bank USB sign stays and there's a banner over the door that says now open as well. So all of that's anticipated to stay in place. The bank USB sign over the door is to maintain in place. But that now open banner actually has been removed. This is an older photo. We just kind of superimposed on it. Yeah, I know we do have snow, but hopefully not that much there. But no, we just superimposed on an old image to kind of show the placement. So you guys had a better understanding about where it's supposed to be in relation to the other signage. Can I ask a question about the height? Is there a reason why it's so high? I mean, from it doesn't seem to be super legible from the road either way. Well, at least the scale of the type when people are driving by. But maybe more so to people in the parking lot. And it seems like it's a little high for that. But I'm just curious what the rationale for the height was. It's to be at the same height as the rear wall sign there on the back of the building. It's keeping the same elevation kind of across the way. And I know that this isn't really a fast travel area in the back because of the way it's a parking lot going way to the drive up. So that way, it being on station area in the side of the building, you're more likely to be walking up to it to give you more time to read it. So that's why we also place it up there and also being a UMass alumni. I kind of know how some college kids are on the weekend. So we're trying to prevent vandalism to any of the signage so they can't get up there with a marker or anything like that. Yeah. So I have a question for maybe Maureen. How have these been approved by the board in the past in terms of, for instance, I would understand that we could approve the frame, but are we approving this graphic and then every graphic that comes up? Or like, what is there a procedure by which now in the past? Or now, to be honest, I haven't. We haven't I haven't received this request through the ZBA or or through the design review board of rotating signage. Yeah. So well, the Sufa signs that if if folks remember the town put up these electronic signs or I think just one of them at the corner of Amity and and North Pleasant Street and that does rotate. And the board did approve that for that to rotate that that sort of messaging. To be honest, I haven't really looked at that sign. So I can't really comment on if that's changing or not. But I don't recall us doing that. Is this same as this sign also on the front? I when you started or no, no, no, no. That was in the back. Yeah, that was just the overall rendering. So you guys can see those details and kind of had everything called out for you. Yeah, because I mean, for me, I was trying to approve this as is. Like, I don't see anything offensive in this particular sign. But it's hard to imagine what if they did something with an image or something that we didn't approve of an image or what that would be. But but I'm I'm curious if they're if if and when we approve this, do we want to see these before they go up? Or are we that concerned? I'm just interested in the other board members thoughts on this. Yeah, interesting. Oh, you mean. Tackle this one first and then. Consider, I have a question for three. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have a question for Chad and I get the for the bank themselves is if they're creating a. Sort of a marketing plan for the year or years, you know, do do they have the marketing images and graphics planned out for the year? Unfortunately, they don't. So we kind of get these will probably get the request two to three weeks prior to them wanting to change the image of the start of their new marketing campaign and that come from their marketing department. And so we just feared in the bank fears that given that timeframe for us to get an application into the town to get before the design review board meeting to have the actual set meeting to get approval that they're going to be kind of several weeks inside that marketing campaign already. And then that advertisement will then kind of become null and void. And then they have to be into their next one already. So that's kind of why we had the attempt that as soon as we get notified of a marketing image change that will immediately send that that rendering in that image into your guys's office with the date of the proposed change. That way you guys do have an internal way of looking at it. And if you see anything that you don't particularly like or want a question that you can bring it then back to us and then we can go to the bank and kind of halt that process and kind of reconvene as a group here, but kind of working together and kind of making that. So the marketing campaigns can kind of keep moving. And I mean, I don't want to speak on their behalf and knowing that they're a bank and a financial institution. I don't foresee them ever kind of doing any real message outside of kind of like the pre-checking and kind of APR interest rate, things like that that they would never really use an image of any kind of mal intent or anything like that. But like you said, I understand the concern and that's kind of what we're trying to work with you guys as if we give it to you and kind of in advance of it being installed with that. Yeah, I think that's also just a question of like right process. Right. So making sure that because we are a. Like, you know, committee of the town that we do it with. And I think I feel comfortable. Present approving this one. And maybe there is some conversation that needs to happen about the appropriateness of the proposal that you suggest, which, you know, sounds fine to me on the surface, but I just don't want to step out of our bounds. And I can certainly speak to the planning director and the building commissioner about, you know, the bank's sort of proposal to the town, traditionally, the town does review, you know, what is in front of them. And if there are changes to a sign, for instance, it would trigger a of a new review with the design review review board. So so you're you're pitching a new creative idea, which could be fine, maybe, but we would want to run run this idea through the inspection services and the building commissioner and to the planning director just to make sure that this is something that they would entertain. And additionally, you know, you'll need a building permit for this sign here that's being proposed. Would this mean that, you know, additional building permits would be needed for the sort of rotating signage, maybe not. But to be honest, I'm not really sure. Because the frame is the thing that needs the building permit, not the. Changeable, vinyl. Sheet inside, right? I would, being that I don't issue building permits, and I can say that I like when I can say, I don't know the answer, but I can find out. I'm not really sure. Yeah, that's my mic. Sorry about that. One thing I think we've done in the past is we put conditions where we've asked them to send us something at a later date. And we've reviewed those things at a later date, but might have been an update to a sign that we haven't seen. And it was emailed around for us to say, yeah, you're made to. So I feel like there are some conditions that we put on things that allow us the opportunity to view them not in full meeting and to yearn them. So I mean, I don't I'm not saying we should do that now. I do agree, Maureen, that you should have this discussion. But I think there are things that we've done at a distance in the past, which is based on a condition that we put in something that was approved. Yeah. So yeah, in my mind, I think we probably would help if we had a clarification from the. Spectrum Commission as to how far we have to extend this kind of surveillance or, you know, review of the signs. Because I think of I mean, all around town, we've seen people put put out temporary signs over and over again. We don't have anything to do with those, except the too many signs on the window. But in this case, I think they're the banks are good neighbor wants to be do the right thing. So I'm you know, I'm OK with us approving what we see now and then seeing if we get some clarification about going forward, whether we have to keep looking at their signs all the time. I mean, it's that sort of the essence of what people are. Can we agree on that? Is that? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, OK. I mean, I agree with that. And I think it's I would like to let Maureen Yeah, yeah, yeah, to figure out if any of these proposals are feasible. Right. But in the meantime, it sounds like the board is fine with the sign. Almost almost. I wanted to carry over Tom's initial question about the location of the sign. I appreciate that you're wanting to put it up high. I agree that, you know, at some point, the font gets a little small to see from a distance. And I also appreciate that your location is aligning it with the top of the sign. But I do think that the bottom edge of the bank ESP sign above the door is the more recognizable datum. And I think you might want to pull it down just a couple of courses to align there instead of with the top. I want to say just based off the rendering, it could be like our designer could have it like as intent of that way, just based off the skewing of the building, how it looks. I know I'm trying to follow the line. Yeah, that's I'm trying to follow the brickline myself the entire time. I didn't want to like zoom so much on the screen to be looking at that. But that is our intent to kind of keep it within that same band. So if you want us to match the bottom elevation, we can. We want us to match the top elevation we can. If it's up to you guys. Yeah, I agree. I agree too. OK, so have the sign aligned with the bottom of the existing bank ESP sign over the door. Yeah. And potentially to not ping my my OCD every time I drive by. I would love whatever that distance is at the top to match the distance on the side. So if that makes sense. Oh, I'm with you 100 percent. I am the same way. Location view B, but not in location view A. And I'm losing my mind. So I'm the same way that drives me crazy. I am very about being center oriented. So if there's a space that we're going to match the side to the top there. So yes, we will make sure it is adjusted correctly. Good. OK. Any other thoughts or recommendations? OK, so do I. So, Marine, we have some suggestions. What that I have another suggestion really quick, though, for interrupt. Chad, the for me as a designer, the yellow and the green are working in terms of legibility. So I'm having a really hard time reading and I've got old person glasses. But I still I I think I would have a really hard time reading yellow and green in broad daylight. So I agree. I agree. I might want to flop to one of their darker colors or back to white or some other transition, because I think the yellow and green is not going to apply. I think so, too. I think we have recommended that to them to make that a darker, a little bit of darker color using that darker green that they have in their logo to kind of pop it out better because we had the same suggestion that the gold is kind of being lost there in the green background. Agreed. Thank you. But I ultimately had to leave that up to their marketing department. That's kind of their campaign. So it's going to be this will be a recommendation to the bank. Yes. Well, actually, it's a recommendation to the building commissioner. So maybe maybe that will have a little maybe that will. Yeah, because those are good suggestions. OK. Do I hear a motion that we approve the petition with additional recommendations? So OK, Tom and Erica, do you second that? OK. All in favor, indicate by saying aye. OK. All right. And this is for just that one sign as is right now. And then Maureen will review a process and come back. Right. Get back on the others. OK. All right. Perfect. Thank you guys so much in Maureen. I'll be in contact to see how we should keep moving forward with it. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Perfect. Thanks, everyone. Have a great evening. Thank you as well. OK. Is there anything else? Maureen, do we have any more? No, so I did write all the memos from the December 13th meeting. I just need to cut and paste it into meeting minutes. So it is sort of done. I just sorry about that. So, you know, that the December 13th meeting minutes aren't ready. You got nervous. But I looked at the agenda and I'm like, wait, I didn't read those. Oh, good. Oh, good. Well, I'm I'm glad that I'm relieving you. We do have a general public comment period. All right. We want to jump to that anybody from the public. Yeah, on the phone. No, if if anyone from the public wishes to speak, I believe you press star, Diane, I did have one. If you have a few minutes, I did just get an inquiry from the health center at the Bangs Community Center. They're they're not here. But if you would give me a minute, I would like to show you what they are proposing. It's and then I could even just give them preliminary advice for them to come back. Let me just pull it up on my email. So it's the Hilltown Community Clinic, HCHC. They have their entrance is that if you're familiar with the new ADA accessible ramp that was just constructed by the town at the bank center, maybe not. This is that's here. Let me just opened everything for you. So this is the it's not the greatest. I'll try to orient yourselves. This is the back of the bank center. So I believe that would be the east side of the bank center. The Clark House and the Anne Wayland buildings are to the east of of the bank center, where I'm hovering my my mouse here. And the entrance to the Moussanti Health Center is back here in the rear. And they have this one sign here and I can find a better image that is to help show it's a way finding sign to help show where the signage is where the door is rather. And they're saying that, you know, that sign is is really blocked from existing trees. And they would like to. Either move this one sign and move it over to the far right here or or actually have a duplicate sign and add it here. They would like to speak to their staff about this middle window because they would like to have some light come in. And then I did get to mentions of this sign and I got to mentions of this building wall. And they only for each bill pursuant to like a section. And I can't think of it right now. But I think it's section eight point two zero in this zoning district. You cannot exceed 10 percent of this of signage cannot exceed 10 percent of the building wall. If they were to add signage on each of these windows at that same size, that would actually be at eleven point one percent. So they could only actually add a maximum of two signs or maybe reduce the dimensions of the signs themselves. It's just very ever so slightly. So I didn't know if you had any suggestions or if you would, you know, want to just entirely hold off until you maybe you maybe walk by and take a closer look or if you're say or maybe you'll say, oh, that's fine. Just duplicate it or move it to the right. I just wanted to hear your initial thoughts. I mean, one thought I have is that I don't necessarily think you need to fill the whole window is a thought, you know, that you can have vinyl text on the sign on the window on the right that says entrance that way. And it's just vinyl text that could be much bigger. The arrows could be much bigger and it won't block light and it won't require any extra permitting or a change in duplicate signage. So, I mean, in that sense, this whole left one could be a new graphic that's just the logo and, you know, it can get bigger and be their brand in the right side could just have the, you know, an entrance final text. Keep it really simple. That would be a thought. And, you know, I like color on the windows, but I don't think it's necessary. Yeah, I think Tom makes a great point. And I have to say, I don't see any reason to duplicate it. I can totally understand why they're finding that the one panel that's kind of tucked in the corner and behind the tree is hard to see. And so, you know, I can see that marine right where your cursor is now that that window panel closest to the corner would be the one that would be more visible. It's the, you know, it's the first window you see. The arrow is still going to point you in the right direction. And so, you know, moving moving the existing sign, if that's the affordable option, then I think that makes sense. And then if there is a the duplicating information possibility, then I like Tom's idea of just, you know, a vinyl on the window that is as much information as they need rather than completely blocking those two windows. Yeah, I agree. I like Tom's and also I mean, I agree with Erica too, but having two big signs there, that's ridiculous. And yeah, I like the arrow. And just say they can then redesign that one or take it out. But they need a sign there. I'm so they probably want to have the the logo, et cetera. But so is that. Maureen, you want us to think more about that at another time or up to you? I think that there they would be. Well, let me run it by her. If she likes your suggestions in the spine, just to move forward with that. And you're fine with that. Then then they could just move forward with their what if they need any permits to the building department. But if she comes back to me and says, actually, I have another idea, then maybe then we can add it to a future agenda. But with that work, yeah, I would say that the definite consensus is that we wouldn't want to be. Not to duplicate that. Okay. Okay. So. Not to replace that. Not to duplicate with another panel. So. Okay. Anything else? Nope. We didn't have a public call after all, then. No. No one indicated. All right. Okay. All right, then. Do I hear a motion? The meeting be adjourned. Erica. All in favor. Okay. The meeting is adjourned. I texted her and she said, it just didn't, it slipped off her calendar and she, she missed the date. So. I hope we have made her proud. Of our decision. I hope she wouldn't comment. Okay. All right. Until the next time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. All right. Until the next time. Until the next time. Take care, everyone.