 Here we gon' talk, we gon' have fun Hust, big shit, big shit, big shit, big shit It's a unique hustle, nigga, big shit Big shit, big shit, big shit Name another podcast like this Yeah, check it, check it, check it It's a unique hustle, it's your boy, E.C.O. And I'm here with the lovely official Miss Jamaica What's going on? Not in my day, I'll work on Man, another day This is the day that the law is made I'll be, you know, glad and rejoice in it You say another dollar You don't want no more than that? Of course Okay, check it, man Say, man, check it, we got a great man Should I say East Texas Finest? That sounds right I'm talking about a man, one who I've been watching her I was gon' sign him myself I had already, I had set a mission out I don't know what that was I was like, who, find a journey Then I found out, oh, she signed to Mama Scott I said, damn I definitely was going for you Like, I was like, I'm gon' find that girl I promise you I will You don't even realize that That's great But I didn't know, and you know, I didn't know you I seen you on that, check it, man Journey is in the building, what's going on? What's up? Like, I like them with too fast You know what I'm talking about? He was ready, I was ready for the conversation today So, check it So, what's up, baby? What do you think about Journey? I've been hearing about Journey for a while from you Yeah, I'm telling you right now I had already- They talk about the hardest females in East Texas Your name always came up It always came up But like I said, before I even knew Because I was first, I was like, man I was looking at that cipher I was like, that's the one right there That's the one Not lyrically, you know It wasn't even about the lyrical ability I mean, I always tell the story about Yellow how I would have signed him Over any other rapper in Dallas Because of the way that he looks And the way that I feel I can sell a person Or give him to- I'm talking about making a big deal Making a lot of money You know what I'm saying? So I need that image to be right So that's what I look at And then I looked at your overall persona You know, so how you doing? I'm good Yeah? I'm just- I'm glad to be here You should be, man I mean, because you deserve every minute of it Hey, I'm a humble- I'm a very humble person That's dope That's something people like Realize about me I don't really talk shit Except for my new music, right? Yeah, now my music is up, man But as far as just like getting on something Just be like, I'm a hardy You know, I take everybody You know, compliment, you know Thank you, you know I play basketball, so Oh, oh It's a lot of them come over here And there's been a few I think Kay Brees had come over the other week We were talking about sheep with the college And you know, you niggas come up in here After your career is over You're rapping now, so what happened? One of them girls got you out there Hold on, before you start Let's start, let's go back Oh, I could go, you know, YouTube It would get you too You want them too Let's go back, let's go back I'm going in on everybody, you know Okay, let's go back to Little Journey Before you became a journey Mm-hmm Okay, so when How were you when that name came about, anyway? Journey I was born with Journey I'm, I don't know My mama, they did this So my name always been there And my mama's told me So that is your government name? That's my government name Okay That's on my birth certificate, Journey Okay, because you know A lot of artists have their Nicknames, yeah Right, so I wasn't sure And actually when I was Actually about to take a series And about to start I was like, what should I do my name? I was like, bitch, your name is Journey Like, I was like, okay That's a great name So you always wanted to rap? I always did music I've always wrote, like since a little kid Done music How old were you when you first started to write? Probably about four Wow And why did you start writing? Um, I went through a lot of trauma As a little kid A lot of different things Out there, a lot of abuse As a little kid, so I had to do At four? At four I had a little Situation that happened when I was four years old So it was bad It was trauma for me So I had to go to therapy Like every day So you went to counseling? Yeah, counseling Does that help? Did that help you? Oh, that's a great question No, not to me at all Because the only way I feel like Counseling help is If you're talking to somebody That's actually been through The same thing that you've been through They hire people by the book If you're sitting here And telling me about a book You don't really understand Where I'm coming from You know what I'm saying? I can't really listen to you say Oh, you're going to be fine If you're not going through What I'm going through So how do you know? You're reading everything out of that textbook I could have went and got the textbook And did that myself You know? I totally agree with you Except from the part where My mind thinks about things in different ways So like for me personally I don't have to physically go through something To understand where a person came from And to feel it And by being a therapist Depends on how long they've been a therapist That's the main thing They've been a therapist for a very long time And hearing these situations over and over And learning from all these people Who've been through certain things Then they would be equipped to help you And you're right And it'll help for some people But then you have some other people That need to see it Okay, let me explain this to you I live in real life You got people that live in real life You have people that live in fantasy You have people that live in all different So I live in literally real Everything has to make sense to me Reality So if I'm going through counseling I can't go with no book I have to go with somebody that Understands me on a deeper level That's just everybody being different You know what I'm saying? So for those cases They should have therapists for that You know what I'm saying? There's different people in the world So now everybody's going to take that information The same way You know what I'm saying? So that's how I know it didn't work for me Because as a little kid The abuse that I went through Okay, I'm four, right? So I understand what I went through But not really that much But as I'm going through counseling You're reminding me every day Of what happened at four Now it's playing in my head I'm four years old, you know what I'm saying? I'm not a 15-year-old I'm not a 14-year-old where I'm dreaming I started dreaming after going to counseling Because they've reminded me so much Asking me what happened over and over And over and over and over and over and over And over and over and over again That now I'm having nightmares You know what I'm saying? So they need to have different ways to attack you Especially a child Especially a child Yes, especially a child And with Ronas, yeah And being at that age You weren't equipped to go to mom and dad and say This is the wrong therapist Yeah, I don't know anything Yes, I don't know anything So all I'm knowing is I'm here They told me something bad happened And now I'm sitting here with these people And they keep reminding me about something that's bad That's happening and they telling me to be afraid Maybe you need to go back to the right people And start talking to them and letting them know this Because there are other kids at four-year-olds Or even younger who are going through what you are going through Now you understand what I said in my major was psychology Because I want to be able to help kids Because I went through that You know what I'm saying? And I've been around kids You know, they go through abuse every day These kids be abused every day And people don't even know it You know what I'm saying? You said therapy didn't help you But do you feel now that you have overcame your abuse? I think I have Of course, I mean, I'm still sitting here Right But a lot of people can be sitting here And still have Yeah, can you open up and talk about it? I actually can Because we had a guy that came in from And I always bring him up North Carolina name was Arkevious Was it Armstrong? And he was abused by two grown women Two grown men before he was nine years old I mean, before he was 11 And he basically was sexual abused by those people And relatives or whatnot And that's one thing he said He said he can talk about it now because he's healed But a lot of times people can't talk about it Because it's a dark spot that they don't want That's something very hard to overcome And that's the same thing that happened with me It was sexual abuse for me So when you're somebody that's why I said They need to pick these people that's overcame this Like, okay, so a little girl coming to me right now And she's like, oh, this happened to me when I was little I don't know what to happen And I tell her my story She's gonna feel me more than the other lady That is going by that book Especially a little kid You know what I'm saying? And there's different ways to attack that You don't really want to go in there If you're four years old You really don't want to go in there Keep asking her or him What happened that night? What happened that day? What happened that night? What happened that day? What happened... And they'll keep asking you that Okay, put it to you like this Okay, okay, but hold on Keep that train of thought Do you think that they're asking a child this so many times Because they're trying to figure out if it's the truth? Yes, that's one of the things But with trying to do that You're not thinking about the kid though You know what I'm saying? You're not thinking about the kid at all Y'all just thinking about And y'all doing this, okay So they're asking me And I was actually smart So I could tell you At four years old what happened to me Had happened to me Verbate them I told them verbate them A lot of kids not doing that Now at four years old a lot of kids are not doing that Verbate them I was telling them what happened, how it happened And they told me that I was too young To take the stand, to testify So nothing happened You know what I'm saying? So y'all just wasting my time Now I got nightmares, I got to go to counseling I had to do counseling all the way to the age of 15 Wow And that was when I said I'm not doing it Was that person ever prosecuted for? Because you know, if they did it at one time They probably did it against somebody else Possibly, but I mean, I don't know Is that person still around? I don't know Never So you've never seen them again? I don't know Okay Yeah, I don't know Because you know Another thing I think about When I think about archivias Or I even said this to many people I said when you're able to talk about it You don't give it power over you Because whenever you hide something Because whether you're ashamed of what happened And stuff like that You're giving it power over you And it destroys you Like I went through that Inward And it was bad Like I used to cut myself Everything, it was really bad Like I was suicidal I was all types of things I mean, you know But I just And stuff like that should go in your music too Because people don't talk about it You know, but And there's a time for everything You know, there's a time in the season And then it's a real sensitive Touchy It's real touchy It saves a lot of people I know, but you know how I'm comfortable That's because I'm, you know And I still have moments and times where I'm just like You know how many girls that come on here That have been through stuff like that You know, I mean We even talked about it with exo It's a big topic It's a thing that people It's so sad how coming it is It's very coming It's real coming, it's real sad And they make it seem like it's not It's coming How about the people you talked to You wouldn't even know how that was Do you carry it into your relationships now? I was thinking about that You see what I'm saying? Because at some point It can be a situation where it gets It gets falling and confusing, you know This is sort of, I I only have had in my lifetime Two official boyfriends Two, only, like just With me day to day, every day You know, that's who I talk to That's who, only two I have not, because I was so traumatized Like How has it affected Did it ever, looking back on those relationships Had it affected your relationship? In some ways, you know I have to You know, I got to overcome a lot of different things My mind is so You know, I want to be hurt That's really what it is for me And it's, with my hurt Like, everybody have a different type of hurt to me You know what I'm saying? And with my hurt, it's like, it's real different Like, I, you know I'm a resent, you know I want to ever just resent it, you know And I'll get to a point where I just resent it And I'll leave it alone forever, you know And who wants to do that? No, I think the main thing is the trust in God You know, that's the start That's the foundation No matter what, you know That's the foundation If you have a situation like that Because you got to clean your slate I went through situations Right So in order for me to change I had to reconform and retran- You know, transform my thinking Change your thinking And then you have to like Open up to Yeah, you do To people that want to help you Only to people that want to help you Because I'm a real close person Please believe, like, I don't talk I am, I'm really awesome in a car Like, I had a punch for real But it's when you hold stuff in That makes you so much more angry And so much more sad And so much more depressed So much more worse So when the people that's actually That's genuinely in your know Who genuinely wants to help Sometimes you push everybody away That you don't really, you know Because you want to put yourself in a box You don't want to talk to nobody You want to talk about the situation It hurts It's like, why, why me? Who, what did I do? It's all those different types of questions But you know what, I look at situations No matter how bad Because no matter what you've been through in life There's always somebody out there who hasn't worked So if you're still here on this earth I believe that everybody goes through things As a testimony to help others So if you come out of self for a second Or for a year for the rest of your life And say, my life is for somebody else My testimony is for somebody else Yes, it's very sad that I had to go through this At a young age But I'm going to help some other kids I'm going to help that parent To see certain signs What's going on with this child Because I was this child Because a lot of parents don't see the signs Because they're too busy Whether working, doing this, doing that So they don't see the signs Because kids are not going to open up With certain situations Because that person, whoever is doing this to them Is either threatening them, fooling them, whatever And kids, they might have been developed enough To be able to judge certain things yet So the education also comes to the parents It does It definitely does It most definitely does You know, the thing I can tell you Is to make sure that, you know If you get an opportunity to maybe do a podcast Or maybe to do some, you know Just talk about it and help somebody That's the plan most definitely To do something where you can interact with You know, like people People who follow you Who support you So that when you're talking to them You know, they can feel your heart You know what I mean? That's important We got so many different outlets now Where you can, you know Basically, you can do it through a podcast But you can do it through also just lives And all type of things So, and I think that's a good thing to do But I want to, let's move forward Does your fans know about this yet? Do my fans know? I mean, I ain't just publicly like this thing You know She first got to start connecting with them I don't know if you go live and do stuff with them I'm used to You have to just keep that up I need to keep it on there Say, man, that's the new wave You can't be out here You're right If you ain't doing it Then I'm on you I'm on your knit I used to in my stuff What used to be Yeah, it's going to make people know who you are I mean, I think that's the most powerful outlet We have in social media And the way you connect with those people You got a thing that you do for us The music go But then also They want to know who you are Because they're your supporters They're your fans That's dope, man So going back into the music So you said at four years old That's the reason why you started writing And channeling all your therapy into your music That was basically one of the little So that's really what helped you Yeah, they gave you Something they gave you to do They was like, you know, you should write Yeah, that's something they gave me Like I said, it's things that they did have That was good things But it was things that just I mean, I think God is ultimately The one who's in control of everything So whatever happened to you It happened for a reason And it would be to help somebody Because that's the way God works So the music, when did you first know Well, I can go on and move forward When did you first start taking the music serious? Just a year ago Just a year ago? Yeah, because I was playing basketball Right When did you do that cipher? That wasn't that long ago Really? Was that like seven months, maybe Maybe seven months now That was like a year or two ago And I only been rapping for a year So when y'all went Okay, I heard y'all was doing another one Yeah, we posted through the video on the 30th Did you do the verse already? Yeah What'd you think about it? Well, do I think about my verse? Yeah Yeah I mean, yeah, who I was on it If you don't mind me asking The only person to that Everybody was on there And said for Bre Bellicos Okay So she was the... I think she was right after me I think she might have been after me Right before Smitty Okay Yeah She's the only one that didn't get to do it Because she was... She had surgery about it Like around the time she was doing it So she didn't get to do it Was that the one from Paris? She from Marshall Okay You talking about Yams Yeah Yams is from Paris Okay So was it a... What do you think this one's gonna be As far as the first one was? I think it's gonna be hard I don't think it's gonna be better than the first one I mean, I'm just being honest But I think it's gonna be hard though You don't know That's good It's calling what the people say Hey, that was... You asked me my opinion That's how I'm finished You asked me my opinion Like the first one was iffy You know what I'm saying? Yeah I just... It's hard I'm saying it's hard But I just... The first one was iffy Yeah So do you... Go ahead Did you used to rap in high school And college? I know you played basketball We were freestyle That's buddy Like everybody freestyle Okay Everybody freestyle So I know you said you just started Taking this seriously a year ago But did somebody come to you and said Man, you go so high You need to really... Was it somebody who did that? What was it? We was in school I was in college And they had a little music school Over there And... What college? I was at Grayson Okay Grayson Community College And they had a music school over there And we were just... These softball girls And softball boys was doing music So in the basketball We was all in the same dorm So we would go over there We would just listen to them And we'd get in there and play and stuff So... And I started off singing first I wasn't rapping Oh, so you can sing I can sing a little bit A little bit? A little bit Okay People be like Oh, you got a pretty voice But I say a little bit Because I sing out my nose I know I sing out my nose And not from my stomach Okay So if I get a vocal coach I can really sing Okay So is that something on your bucket list? Do get a vocal coach So you can do both Yeah, so I can do both Okay, awesome I play with a little bit I got a song on it I don't help with music And it's actually the top song On that little EP That I put out I was surprised Do you use a lot of auto tunes Behind your voice and stuff like that? No, I really know I don't like that Because I hate it too And my voice is like Can y'all hear my voice? It's real small Yeah, but it's your opinion Can you give me a little? What? A song? A song? Like for me to sing? Girl She's gonna rap Girl No, she's gonna rap I know, but she's talking about That one that's on the top No, no Ew, he can play that song I don't blame you And I don't blame you Hey, y'all You know what I'm saying? I don't blame you You get in here I'm gonna cut it out I'm gonna cut it out You know what I'm saying? Nobody ain't flopping on here You know what I'm saying? You're not gonna flop around on this thing No, this is a premier platform Oh, you're gonna put me in here Yeah, yeah, yeah We're not flopping around over here on Boss Talk 101 We come to get down You know what I'm talking about? Yeah, man So what do you think? Do you like what the music is right now? I mean, you came in a year ago getting serious about it You know, when you first started looking, Nicky was banging and then Cardi came and swooped through and did her thing and now we're looking at Megan What the hell was you doing during that time? What did you think about the female lyricists that were getting down? I fucked with all of them They don't, right? I fucked with all of them Yeah, yeah What do you think about Milado? Is that her name? I like Milado, too Yeah, yeah It's some heavy hit but it's some out there that's just doing their thing It's a lot of them that get sleep on I got a different variety of... I think... Okay, sleep on I don't really like that terminology because who's sleeping on them? It's just a lot of them that don't get as much shine as the other nations They ain't doing what they're supposed to be doing Yes, they do They can be They do The world will speak Like who? The world will tell you who's the best Let me somebody I like Laquilla You know Laquilla? I don't know her Look, you don't even know who that is She's sound quality control She's real hard But all I'm saying is why are they sleeping on them? It just depends Like, it just depends on The world will speak No Yes No If she had that hard journey Come on Then she put a song out No Don't sit here and act like this is not a gimmick You think it is? Yes Please, I feel like Think it is? I think if you got good music You been in this You been in this industry How long? Doing this, how long? Just a little bit Just a little bit But I know the industry But longer than me, right? No You longer than a year? You ain't even doing it longer than a year? You talking about the podcast or just being around the industry? No, just being around the industry I've been around a long time Long time And I've been around a year And I haven't seen so much face shit in just a year So you talking... I don't know what that is And I'm not just talking I'm not talking about regular I'm not talking about regular face shit like Oh, yo homie He then went over here and talked to you But I'm not talking about face shit like that I'm talking about gimmick ass shit that people do just to ride away Get on Get that name out there It's the gimmick So do you think Megan is deserved to be where she's at? Yes And the people spoke? Yes And if journey tomorrow happened to spike the charts She deserved that, right? If, yeah Okay So, what I was saying is when the people like when it's somebody that they love can't nobody stop their You can get sleep on though I don't care what you're saying But did you hear what I just said? Yeah, I get you But you can get slept on You ain't got the right people backing you or they not putting you where you need to be But look I finna get you right here I finna get you another example She's gonna get me right here All right You can get slept on in basketball All right Oh, here we go It's got personal now No, I'm just saying I'll give you another example I'll just give you I'll just give you another example Give it Give it I'll just give you another example But what I mean You can get slept on Okay, talk to you Just like in the industry You can rap, you got talent Okay, just like in basketball You can play, you got skills You got talent Okay, what? You got five people that play, right You got a starting lineup, right Okay, so it's basically kind of like that in the industry You got people that's up here You got people that's right here You got people that's here Same thing in basketball You got people that's up here You got people right here You got people right here And it's a lot of different things You got stuff like that in the job You know You got a you got your workers, okay, it's the same thing. But it don't always happen in every, like go back to the basketball. You have some people who are right up the top because of politics, because their parents are, you know, whatever, but not in every school. Not in every school, but this is what you just said though, because of politics. Some, that's right. But then you should give me the, but some are on top because of their talents. And it is, and that's why I said, he just asked me, did I think Megan Desire, I do. I just said that there are other people in the industry, just like there's other people that will be on the bench that deserve to play, that did not play. Yeah, my partner would like that. He wouldn't stop shooting every time they put him out there. He said, I'm for to get mine. We was up there. He said, I'm the best on the team. And then Comrade, shout out Comrade. Comrade will shoot that ball. And he tell me, he look back at me, he say, you watch when I get out there. He's a good colleague, he say, watch. Did he say another? Boy, that nigga be open though. For that five, about two or three minutes. I said, that nigga best, I said that nigga, he didn't miss nothing. You know what I'm talking about? Every shot went in out. He say, nigga, that coach don't like me, boy. But I went in. I said, damn, you a bad dude, man. And I'll never forget that. So I get where you saying that. But I do say, like if Luqisha, she's on quality control. Makia. Luqia. And Luqia. And she's on quality control. Where the NYP and their main pushing her like she told to in Coach K. You see where I'm coming from? That's it. That structure has a lot to do with it as well. And if they're doing the thing they do, are they doing the same thing they're doing for the other girls? What's them girls name? Them two, the one go to jail and come out. Yeah. City girl. The city girl. I don't want to go to jail. And then the other one. What's the other one that they got over there? But it's the, it's the, the image though. Like she, Luqia hard. Okay. City girl's hard too. But they got two different images though. They, city girls got a ratchet image. And as far as women and as far as girl fans, they like the most simple stuff. They like bars from guys. They not about to listen to that from a girl. And I promise you, I swear I'm a girl and I did, I was listening to music before I was rapping. I'm telling you, they like the most simplest stuff. Luqia reps hard. It's bar after bar after bar. And it's a lot of stuff that'll go over your head. A lot of girls are not listening to that. And I promise you that. I, you should know. So, so that's what I'm saying is the image and it's the different styles. And what I'm saying is, Luqia is hard though. She's hard. Yeah, she's hard bro. She's hard. She's super dope. I like people that say that's talking about somebody. She's slept on, yeah. Is it that she can't pick her own beat? So what's going on with her? When she puts something out, what it do? It do numbers. Okay, well, but she, she in a better place than me. I'd like to be signed in QC Hill. Let me get over there, Hill. I got three, I got about six bars for them, Nichols. You know what I'm talking about? Coach K, holla at me, Nichols. You know what I'm talking about? So no, so what do you think that it's going to take for journey to, you know, be recognized, truly recognized and get her recognition in the industry. You know, damn all this. Let's talk about you. I don't give a damn about all that other stuff. Just keep stepping on this. Like I'm real, like I say, I'm humble and I'm so content. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm so content with myself though. How much y'all putting out over there? How many times? What else you done did this year, Hill? You know, I want to know what the work has to give. What the work has to give. Listen, the reason I had my first interview on Real Street Life because of song, it was because of pressure. It was spinning all around and down. I heard my wife listening earlier. Yeah, and it was without LaRunny first. Okay. Then I made the decision to add LaRunny because I thought that would be a good, you know, it made sense. Yeah, yeah. And it did what it was supposed to do. Yeah, it was dope. You know what I'm saying? And then I did videos in between then. I did a little freestyle. And then I just did a video with Big Molly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, I've been working for a little, you know. For the time that you've been getting down. For the time that, you know. Yeah. I was working quicker than a lot of people. A lot of people, yeah. Well, I mean, but it's being strategically done, of course. You know. Yeah, it's gotta make sense. Yeah, gotta make sense. Go ahead, babe. You got something? No. So, even like, so you say you did basketball for a while, but you stopped. You didn't finish school doing basketball? I just did them two years. Just did it two years. Oh, junior college. So, when you were young and you started doing basketball, did you ever want to be like in a WNBA and all of that? Did you think the basketball was gonna take you? Cause most people who play sports. Yeah, of course, of course I had that dream. Of course, in the end, that was very possible. Like, I could have finished playing. So, you weren't that good? Yeah, I really was, like, but it just was a school. You weren't no damn Sheryl Swoops. I wasn't, I was journey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was big journey. You weren't no damn Sheryl Swoops. I was big journey. What's that other girl named? I ain't possibly Sheryl. I'm Lisa Leslie. They are their own people. Look, you can't name me tonight, right? Candace Parker, Scarlett Bigelady. Oh, oh, oh. Don't call me. Yeah, I didn't met them. I didn't know. So you, and I have two on one time. Did you get some props? One time. You got some props, though? I don't play basketball. I talk. I promise when I met them. They probably said that nigga can talk. That nigga talking nigga right there. No, but. Now, it's good that you, that, that, did you, do you think that that helped you to, you know, mentally prepare for things as you go forward as far as when it come to the music? Dealing with, you know, the situations that you face in basketball and stuff? I think the biggest thing it helped with is the shit talking, Mike. Yeah, yeah. When you get to college, oh, that shit talking is bad. It's bad. It's bad. The girl can talk crazy. Hey, I mean, I tell one, I tell one girl that I pull her by her in the game. If she pushed me one more time, cause she was really playing a little bit too much for me. Yeah. And y'all already getting beat by a 30 beat, so you doing a little bit too much, I'm trying to get out the way. Yeah. Yeah, you, yeah, you win. But they taught, so that's probably the best to end the end. And that's when pressure came. Yeah, that's when it broke. Yeah. I know you said that when you finished school, cause you said you wanted to do psychology and you weren't able to do that in junior college. But I always go back to everything you go through in life helps you for where you're supposed to go. So looking back at your college years and the things that you did learn, is there anything you took away from that to help you to where you are right now? I ain't even allowed to say how I was, this is how I knew college wasn't for me. You were a party like hell down there that day. I wasn't though, I wasn't partying. You were sneaking in and out of dorms. I mean, it wasn't though. I snuck in the dorm, don't try to play me. That's fine though, but I really wasn't though. I didn't know that. I was just lazy. Was anybody sneaking in the dorm? You knew somebody sneaking in the dorm. Y'all was all women, one-man dorm or what? We couldn't even play like that though. I was at a, I was at a hot, like my junior college was D1, junior college though. Like it was, the security was tiered. Like you are, you are doing that. Like you had to have a key card and the girls and board key cards and I work on the same. Yeah, so, but what it was for me is I was just lazy. Like I knew it wasn't for me when it was like, I was not going to class. I just wasn't going. I had no desire. But like I was telling you earlier, I was in classes that had nothing to do with what I was trying to do. I was in classes. Like I just- But when you were in college, did you know you wanted to do psychology? Yeah. When you were in college? Yeah, that's why I picked that. You went back to your like a counselor and say, hey, I need to switch. Did you tell them? No, my counselor was my coach. Already. Let's talk about the music. Let's get to this music for this interview be over. I'm saying, come on now. Let's talk about your song, Pressure. Let's talk about it. Let's talk about it. When Lil' Ronny did his verse, did you think it was good enough? Shout out Lil' Ronny to be on the show before. For sure. He did what he was supposed to do. He did it exactly. I'm on the journey and I'm at the journey and I'm like, oh, hey, yo. So how was that? It was nice. It was a real good experience for me. You know, that was my first time working with somebody. Do you know this? He's working with a lot of people from Iggy Ozil. He wrote for her, Milado. So that's a good portfolio to be honest with. He's the next person you would want to work with. They're male or female? Right now, I ain't nobody. You don't want to work with nobody. Somebody, okay, let me narrow it down. None of them. Somebody, no. Okay, somebody who you know that is very realistic right now. You can get that person real easy, but you know that they go hard. You're like, I could do an amazing song with them. And then I want somebody who you know that you got to wait, build your game up to get to that person. Okay, I could do the build your game up first because the other one, I don't know. But the build your game, Megan, Nicki Minaj. Yeah, that's it. Nicki, for sure, like. For sure, I mean. For sure. Yeah, for sure. Because I like Megan too. I always talk about Megan. So with that other one, I don't know. I'm just, right now I don't really want to do features or nobody. I feel like that pressure put me in a good position to like, I got different people looking at me now. I got different, you know. So now, cause people ain't even heard. I'm such a versatile like artist. People ain't even heard. Y'all just heard that one particular song and maybe other people have listened to my music, but not everybody. So when I drop this tape, like I want to see what that do. I want to do videos off that tape. I want to see where that take me. Like I'm getting a different fan base. It's real different. I got different things happening for me. I remember when I first started and I had to see my stuff out, like to different blogs and send it out to different people, just for them to go look at it. Like I don't even have to do that no more. I wake up and I post something and blogs are already posting it for me. You know what I'm saying? Yes, work. Now that I'm here, I want to take it. I want to do it, you know. Yeah. What's your style? What would you consider your style to be? Cause you say that they only know this part of you. What would, but you know you, you know what you have. What would you consider yourself? A journey. Already. Literally, like seriously, I'm not even, I'm not even playing like a journey cause I'm, there's so many songs that I sound different on. Like when you think about a journey, a journey goes up and down. Up and down every way. Anyway. Well, let me ask you this. Do you, when you went, you say futures, you don't really do the big Molly deal when you went down there to Miami. What was, I mean, did you enjoy doing that? What was the process? How did that whole thing end up happening? Um, so I hit her up for that cause I fuck with her, you know. Okay. As far as, and like they say, if you don't invest in yourself in this industry, you will go nowhere. Already. So that was a part of my investment, you know, into myself and I picked her cause I'm not gonna have to, it has to make sense, but I also had to like it too. Like I'm not just about to pick somebody just cause, oh, their name is this. Like if I don't like how you make music, I'm not about to make music with you. I'm just being honest. How did you find her? I've been following her for a little bit. Like I actually listened to her before I started making music. So I've been, you know, been listening to her. So is she, I mean, she been around for how long, how long she been rapping, do you know? But when you first found her? I found her like a year before I started rapping. But she been rapping for a little minute. That's what she was telling me, like a young lady. Is she signed or is she? She's co-star with the babies people. Okay. So, and all right. That's good. And when you found her, did she ever, did she hear about you at that time? Did she know exactly who you was? No, not yet, but she followed me soon. Yeah. It happened like that. Sometime you just kind of, you know, you reach out to people or whatever. And then when they lock in and see what you're doing, I see that a lot. And she listen to autumn songs and when we first met, she was like, yeah. Yeah. I rock with them, you know what I mean? Cause they're gonna go back, they're gonna go down and rap it whole and find out who you are before they do a song with you. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, okay. So how did you end up getting Mama Scott to manage you? Oh, so I was on a, I was actually in a group with Smitty. That's a crazy thing. It was on, we was in the same group. It was called Pit down in East Texas. And it was with this guy named Ken. Okay. And he was basically supposed to be our manager. It just, that didn't work. Like it was just a mess. So Smitty left first. She actually left first. And so I was still there and other people that was on the team too. And I just, I was missing so much money. Like it was just too much. People was trying to give me those features. And he was supposed to be my manager. And it just wasn't, it wasn't working. So I had already talked to Mama Scott at one time. And she was like, I'm not signing nobody, you know, right now she just really was just stuck on there. So, no, I called again. I called it one more time. You gotta be persistent. Cause yeah, he gonna take me over there. I like that. I like it. And really what it was is they had already my team now they already had heard about me though. So that's really what got me inside the door too. Cause they was already talking about me too. So that's really the only reason she if it hadn't happened with them, it's not that long, not that long at all. Cause I've only been doing it for a year there. And I signed like not even halfway. I don't think in between, you know, here. But thank God that you did. I think you guys are blessing. I like what you guys are doing. I like how y'all are moving. I like the unity. I think they're, I think it's respecting structure and people see that. And I think that's something that people in the industry respect, you know, when I see all these guys, whether it be any of the guys that, that really is serious about it, whether it be Trey or whether TI or Power Wild, whoever they had a good structure team behind them or, or, you know, even, even Lil Wayne when I seen him, it's just the way that they move. It's, it's a unit, you know what I'm saying? And that, that makes the difference. So when is your next project dropping? I'm shooting for July the 23rd. That's how my birthday is. Really easy. So you're a cancer? Leo, I started Leo. Okay, you started, you do. You actually do. I started, I started. Okay. My mom was on the first to July. Okay, well July people still, that's still July. That's still July, but you, you and Leo though, you guys. She's like, you got a good mind. One of my best friends, she and Leo, she's the 22nd and I'm the 23rd. Oh, that's you. And she was my roommate in college. Oh yeah. So when, I need my beat man. Let me, let me give my stuff together here. Body else's beat, I can do an instrumental. Okay. Do a big Yavo freestyle. Girl, big Yavo. Big Yavo freestyle instrumental. Got it here. See if I like it. Yeah man. Hold up, hold up. We're gonna bring that back. Hold on, I gotta check and make sure. Okay. Let me hear that whole drop. She say, okay, go. All right, let's get it. Check it man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, check it man. Check it man. We about to go on a journey man. It's about to go down man. I'll let you boy. It's a unique culture. I think I'm going too fast. Eight of my play didn't care it was my last. All of that bullshit got left in the past, but it's still on my mind in case I double bet. They want to owe me, but they knew me official. I took me some time. Now come get your issue. Find these demons with blood on the tissue. I thought it was period, so I had to diss you. I am the one, I am that bitch. This nothing new I've been feeling like this. All of that talking hoe you can get hit. Keep thinking I'm weak and your ass gonna be sick. Not letting up till you bitches come catch me. It's not respected if she can't address me. Hey man, check it man. Say it man. Check it man. She gonna what? She gonna address you? Ah, it's not respected if she can't address me. Say it man. So how does that make you feel when you do the music? You love it? You feel it? I like it. It's actually something that I, you know. Does it take you somewhere else? It do. That's, I thought so. It do. It takes me away from all your trouble. Release my, that's it man. Release my inner self a little bit. Something like, and like I said, you girls are talented man. Like I love, that's what I do. I bring the girls on. Let them free. I don't do nothing with the dudes. I know. I seen that. He like to mess with the girls. No, because I feel like they kind of get overlooked. So I was like, I'm gonna do this different. And I'm gonna start with my lesson. Like both they go wrapped on here and the piece wrapped on here. The guys, a couple of them. But not like I do the girls. I always make them. I tell them, I'm like, you gotta have me something. Cause I know already that it motivates other girls when they see that. And you know, they know they could do it. Like it's a lot of little girls and came, remember there was a little girl came up here and she was like, he helped me to get into music. Cause they can see all those pictures and stuff. They've been there for years and it's like, I don't really want to deal with it. But I figured when I got an outlet, I would do something like this to give them motivation and show them that, you know, somebody who knows who's gonna see what. It's the way. For sure. Like who knows who's gonna see what. Girls are popping right now. For me, you know, I ain't gonna lie. I like the way y'all get at it. They ain't. I really like it. Cause it's huge. You wanted the main contributors. Hey, I'm just proud to be a part of it. I just want everybody to be. I wish we all could, you know, be on the same page with you know, I wish it wouldn't, cause I can't wake up in the morning and hate on nobody. Absolutely nobody. If I wake up and I'm hating, put me back to sleep. It's somewhere wrong. You know what I'm saying? That's bars right there. I'm so serious about that. If you wake up and worry about somebody else every day, like you will never have time for yourself. But as I always say, if you feed negativity, that's gonna roll over into your life. And that's gonna just not be a good combination. Yeah. Possibly. So do you think that, you know, you feel like within the next year you're gonna get more strategic about how you're doing things? Yeah. And you think you're gonna get better and live? Yeah, I actually am now. Like I am now starting to change my way I attack beats and different stuff like that. You know, I was doing, you know, when I was doing videos, I wasn't really taking it serious. My videos, I was just thinking about being consistent. That's all it was about. But it's about the visual tools. I had to learn that. So I'm doing stuff different already. So I'm sure to get even more. When y'all did that first cipher, like I said, I seen y'all was like, man, I need her. But it wasn't about you was the best rapper. It's just overall as an artist, I look at the overall picture in my mind, like I can make money with her. I didn't even know you was tall actually. I should have picked up on that. I didn't know you was tall to you walking that door. Then I was squatting down. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't know. Because everybody's short. I'm like a lot of short people around me. I didn't notice it. And then I was like, man, you know, I was like, dang, she tall. But even when I seen it, it just, you stuck out. It's like she could be the one. I'm pretty sure you were in heels too. I do. I don't like it though. You know what I'm saying? But I've wear it like, when I was shooting a video with Jeff when we were shooting the little running video, he was like, she need to take them heels off. She gonna be tall and runny. Everybody said, Jeff, so what I'm gonna do if I go on the BT awards and I'm tall and everybody's saying, I'm not taking my heels off. Everybody see how short Lil' Runny is. Already, man. You know, the thing is, you know, real recognized, real. So I think he's, he probably seen the music in you like I did. And it was like, cause he definitely had to look at the song and be like, yeah, I wanna get on that thing, you know? So I'm pretty sure he knew the overall artist before he even made that move. He's real strategic about how he do things for his brand. And I liked that in Lil' Runny. And when he came on here, it's just a lot, real professional. He gave us some key pointers cause we were just starting out in this. He showed us love. He came on here when nobody else did. And it's people like that. You really can't just step around over. You gotta always give them respect. Yes, for sure. You know what I'm saying? So for him to even get on and you guys to work together, I'm proud to be able to admit both of you guys. Thank you. Oh man, I go hard. I can go either way. You can go real professional. I can go real crazy. I can do it all, you know what I'm saying? I'm the same way. But I definitely love your energy. I love the way that you, you know, the way that you come across. Definitely, cause see you going places as far as way far and beyond, you know. The thing I look at when I'm dealing with the artist is just the ROI. Like the big question is, you get the views. You getting the acknowledgement. How do we get our artists to gain, you know, the creative control, the monetarily, the shows ain't where they used to be. We gotta build that part back up. How do we get our artists in the positions where they pretty much is organic because they need to be, and far as the monetarily thing and the things that they're putting the work in for, they be, you know, pretty much compensated for it. You know what I'm saying? Cause they deserve it, you know? And I think the music, because of the way that they're pushing it out on platforms, I think they're watering it down a lot of times because they don't have the same essence as it used to have. You know what I mean? And I think that hurts us a lot. I think a lot of it come because everybody can do music now. Every nigga got a drum machine. It's not about rapping, I'ma. Yeah, yeah, he ain't all these niggas, this trash out there. You gotta feel it through the trash to get to the good stuff. Yeah. And it's just tough, you know? It is, it is. Cause you gotta have something really, if you wanna be under, you gotta have something special about you that draw attention. Like I tell people all the time, I was the journey before I started rapping. I had a lot of followers. This is facts in high school. Wow. I had 10,000 followers as a freshman. Like I ain't saying, so it was not nothing new to me. You know what I'm saying? What year was that? That was, I graduated in 2017, so. Yeah, that's about when I did my, I had a rent about that. Just cause you got 10,000 followers, don't mean you got 10,000 dollars. I was pissed in here. I was like, followers don't equate to money, nigga, y'all ain't got no money. And I was in this store, I'm telling you. No, it's been, I mean, they mad at you. You can go back and look. I said, these niggas tricking, niggas with all these niggas following niggas. I said, really ain't no money in it. Nigga, I got bread, what's up, you know? And that's the way I was going in. And I got a little upset cause I seen a lot of fakeness. Girls that had a lot of followers thought they was all that and didn't have no money. And I was like, it's confusing the algorithm of life and it becomes a fake deal. And right where we are today, people just pretty much rejecting something and a lot of it, niggas buying views and all. How do you feel about people buying views? It's just, I don't know. I mean, if that's what you wanna do, I guess. I think it's something to do, you know what I'm saying? As far as if it's in the right place to do it. I mean, like these folks don't do it right though. If you gonna do it, like make it make sense. Bro, you got 500 followers and you got 500,000 views on the video. And they're like, who are you? Like, who are you trying to fool? Say on them, it's like, what are you talking about? I've seen them like this. That's what it be for me. What would a Chinese dude in the company, you know what I'm saying? It's a video, it's a video. It's talking about why I didn't, let me just be like. This is what it was about. But it's crazy how these views be doing though, how these people be buying them. You could tell, yo, you could tell, you know, and then where they gonna do their show at? Cause them Chinese people in the comments they ain't go buy them show tickets. And I'm just saying, like if you buying views though, so like as you DMing yourself too. You gotta be doing something. I don't know, I'm like, where they gonna do their show? I don't know, they DM yourself too. It really is kind of like that's the return. But it's not really, when you look at life and you see people, you used to see them weird people that you really wouldn't deal with. That's the same thing online. It's like, it's a world though. It's a social media world. To each their own. But you see you have a lot of fake people on social media and yes, we're outraged at how many people are doing all of that and how much of social media is fake. But then when you look at people in real life, you could have a friend that you've been knowing for years but they really been showing you the fake themselves for all this time, you don't ever know. So some people are fake in person, not just physically, but I'm talking internally. They're not really letting you know the real themselves. You know what I mean? Right, right. But see the thing about them being in person though, they in person. So whatever outcome you need to come out of that, you can get that. If you got somebody that's thugging on the internet because they know that you can't find them, that's why they thugging on the internet. Yeah, that's a whole other different situation that you know. I respect somebody being fake to me in my face. I promise you that and it might sound weird but I would respect somebody more be a fake to me in my face. You doing that in my face. She coming back to me to somebody else talking about me but she's in my face. Then somebody that's on the internet that I don't even know who it is. I'm trying to figure out who it is and you trying to bully me off the internet. When I was young, I mean, it's the same thing. You won't get it, but if you were me and you seen where I come from, that's that same person that do it on the internet you should call and hang up. Yeah, that is, it is. It is, it's the right hand to do your no-collar ID. That is the same person. No, it's the same person. It's like it's the same thing. But you had an idea of who that was. Now you don't know who it is. Seriously, that person that called you no-collar, you can't tell me y'all didn't have an idea of who that was. You had options of who they probably were. In your mind. In your mind, that's what I'm saying, but you... I mean, nine times out of 10, I was usually right. I don't know about nobody else, but I was usually right. Like, if you had just a whole bunch of people calling you, I don't know, I'm like... You have some bad kids out there who would just dial random number that you do not know from no one. Yeah, but them the same, but they're the same group. Them the same kids that be calling now on the duo and it be by 30 of them in your phone, it's the same people. You know I'm telling the truth. And they won't stop calling, they just keep pushing the button to be a lot of kids pop up. I said, what the hell is this? But I know it's the same thing. Yeah, it is. It is, but in a different way. It is, but in a different way though, cause you might get a phone call that no-collar did, it wouldn't all the time, you know, a threat or something. It might be, you know, this is SpongeBob, do you want a Krabby Patty? It might be something like that. I used to call. I'm calling it. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, but... Is your ice box running? Yes. Yeah? Nah, you better go catch it then. Yes! Okay, but see how sometimes it was fun. See over this internet shit, it ain't not trying to be fun. These is trying to be funny. They trying to, you know, bully and everything else. That's what I'm saying. It's the difference. I'm gonna shoot your house up. Yeah, I'm gonna shoot your house up. I'm gonna shoot your mama. I'm gonna shoot your girl. Who is you talking to? Yeah. And then you can't see them. And then you can't see them. I put a post out the other day. I was like, I miss school days. Cause when you talk shit, you had to see me the next day. You had to see me. See y'all, we had a school and stuff and y'all ain't got to see these folks. If people get grown, they ain't got to see these people no more. They in their own humble face and they can be whoever they want to be on the internet. Real life. Real, that's real. You know what I mean? Like, these dudes, they portraying images and you know, at the end of the day, we got to find a way to turn into our ROI. We want to make a return investment off some of this foolishness that's going on. We got to figure that part out. And we can equate all the foolishness to dollars and we rich. You know what I'm saying? Cause there's a bunch of it out there, right? I mean, if it was making money, every time somebody messaged you and said, I'ma shoot your daddy, you know what I mean? Everybody says to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody saying, hey, you can find $100 or some shit. Okay, shit. I see why you doing this, sir. But when you, when it's not none of that, why are you doing this then? You know, I think on a lot of different things. But some people just do it just because they bored really honestly. Because you have, it does not make no sense to me because sometimes people post like, even like say positive stuff. Then you have somebody in the comment just post something just negative out the way just to pick on something in the picture. And it's a cause controversy cause other people to come in and start saying X, Y, Z, whatever. Just for no reason. It's all for cloud though. Like you got, you, I had to remember that. It's all, okay. So when you do that, what they gonna do? They gonna go look at that person that said that, right? If they come in his real life, then we about to go look at who that was. Okay, then it's funny, you know? So now he about to get follows and she about to get followers and stuff. It's all that other people just want their own time and they shining. It's cool or whatever, like, you know? Sometimes people just jump on them too and start arguing, but some people there's a lot of hate. Yeah, some people out there who just love to argue. Yeah, it start men. It's you have people like the gimmick. People like to, you got all that. It's weird. The world is. They can't come on balls talk. No. That ain't what a boss is talk. Check it out, man. So top three artists of all time. They're alive. They're alive. You heard us the other day. They ain't done, bro. Top three are number one. I can say like, can I say me? I don't care. Yeah, hell yeah. It's on you. You think you the best in the world ever to do it? Yeah. Well, you said best in the world. Yeah, you can be the best. It's on you. It's on you. You're the top three. All right, so listen, listen. Okay, you ready? You ready? Number one. You ready? Yeah. You ready? Like a doll. That's what we used to say. You ready? Yeah. D. What the hell is D? D, you ready? That's my first person. D. Okay. D. D, like with a T. Who the hell is that? D, I'm, you gonna get it. Ready? That's the first person. D. Okay. Second person, Jern. Oh, okay. Third person. I think she's gonna do that. Oh, whatever, man. You think I'm gonna put that out and be like, this is her top three. Why not? Yeah. That's her top three. Three individual people. Okay, three individual people, though. Okay. Number one. Nicki Minaj. Oh, that's your girl. That's my girl. Oh, Cardi? I like Cardi, but not over Nicki, though. Okay. I just wanna put it out there. I just wanna put it out there, and that's all. Nicki Minaj. Okay. Number two. I'm trying to see who I just listen to all the time. Tink. Tink. It can be any genre. Yeah, she sings R&B, so Tink. Okay, Tink, okay. And then Key Glock. Key Glock. And then go hard. He go hard. Remember, I used to listen to him every day. Yeah, all the time. She got so damn tired of Key Glock and then stole the whole show. He got hard, man. Yeah. I like how he rapped it. No, I do too. I like how he rapped. How many people talking about him? I like how he rapped. No, I like him. He chill. No, I like the cadences and the way them boys over there do it anyway. Young dog getting it in. You know what I'm talking about? So, I ain't going to ask her if she could go back, but... I'm going to, cause that's one of the questions I had. Okay. Going back in your life, and at four when that happened, if you had to talk to your mom and tell her what was going on and stuff like that, and the symptoms or the signals that she could have looked for, because you have some moms out there who kids are going through something. Well, my mom knew how to rip, cause I told her. That's how smart I was. Oh, awesome. I told her the day that it happened. So, they should tell somebody. But not all kids are like that. I just felt like something, I didn't even know that something was wrong. I was just innocently telling her what happened the day. Like, you know, dah, dah, dah, dah, he, you know, whatever, cause this happened to be, at the time my mom was married to a man. So this was like a step, when I don't call him nothing like that, but that's what he was at that time. So, when you, when you told her, what did she say? She immediately hindered me. I was going like, she put me in the car and I don't know, except for that. Which is good, cause you have some parents. Yeah, you have some parents. You have some, I actually had a friend later on in life that I had to deal with, you know, as a friend and be there for her, she was getting something to happen to her and her mom wouldn't believe her. She wouldn't believe her, like she wouldn't wanna leave her boyfriend. She was like, you lying, like she call her B's and all types of stuff. So you would just tell her to speak up and say something? I know what you said. It's really hard to tell her what to do, cause I wasn't in that same, you know what I'm saying? I told, my mom listened to me. So in that predicament, I couldn't really just tell her, you know, I told her never eat quiet, I'm always here and there is always somebody else that can help you. And my main thing was, cause I had to get counseling from the school. So that's what I told her to do was to go talk to the people at school if your parents aren't listening, you know what I'm saying? But it's a hard situation because think about it, if you go tell your parents at school, I mean, go tell the people at school and they like, okay, so you know how to listen to your daughter and she's saying this, having her. So now they gonna tell her, you know what I'm saying? She don't wanna leave her family. What could you tell a mom to look for? Man. And children. The main things is getting quiet. They not gonna wanna come out the room that much. Ain't a room a lot, you know. But in today's society, where kids don't stand in the room and play games regardless anyway. And that's the best thing. You need to check on your child at all times. One thing about my mama is, one thing I can say, we have a different type of relationship. Like I can tell her absolutely anything. And that's because of her being so well bonded with me. She's always, you know, come in there and journey, so to check on your child's mental, even as a kid, because as a kid, I think a lot of parents don't think that they're mental, it's that big, but it's actually really the biggest as a kid. That leaves the most trauma as a kid. When things happen as a kid, you have the most trauma as a kid. It's so funny, because I can't remember three, four, five. I can't remember any of those ages. I didn't like what happened. I remember certain instances that happened, but I can't remember how old I was. I remember falling off of a wall, had to go to the nurse's office, but I was in prep school. I don't remember how old I was. Right, but see when it's something like this real, real, you know, tough like that. And then if you go to Kensington, like I said, and I was reminded over and over and over and over again, I'm remembering the age. Like I'm sitting here like it's yesterday. I can remember the whole thing, you know? Already. So I'll tell you, man. How can people get up? Thank you for telling your story though. Thank you. How can people get a hold of you? Hey, y'all can give me on Instagram at D-T-H-E-E, that journey, J-O-U-R-N-E-Y, and another Y at the end. That's really it. I got a Facebook, it's the same thing. Okay. And we definitely love what you do. TikTok? TikTok, nah, I have one, but I got a new phone to leave down, I remember the password. So I'm on TikTok to watch the videos, and I don't just know. But you need to be on there and put your stuff back on there. You're right, I'll find her. You're right. I'm not gonna argue with you. You're right. You're right, I'm not gonna argue with you. You're right, I ain't even gonna tell you that you're wrong. So you gonna do it? I'm gonna do it, cause you're right. All right, damn, say check it, man. Say, man, we love you, and we appreciate you for coming on the show. Thank you for having me. And anytime you about to drop a new project or anything that you wanna push out to the masses, man, you're welcome to come on Boss Talk 101. Check it, man. I appreciate that. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. 101. And we out.