 Hello everyone, welcome to Mind Pump. In the first half of this episode, we talk about why poor guy health may be harming your gains, how David Goggins uses hate to motivate himself, as well as other topics. In the second half of the show, we answer four questions from our Mind Pump media Instagram account, questions such as, do body types matter when creating nutrition and training programs? When is it better to hire a coach rather than follow a math program? When I train for a bodybuilding show and a half marathon at the same time? And which is better for you, whole milk or low fat milk? Finally, would you like to build your butt or your biceps or even become a better personal trainer? Well we have some free guides that go into detail on those topics as well as others right at mindpumpfree.com, go over there, check those out and enjoy the show. You can forget about building muscle, burning body fat, improving athletic performance if you have poor gut health. Poor gut health will get in the way of almost any physical pursuit. So if you have digestive issues, heartburn, chronic constipation, diarrhea, just don't feel good in your gut. You sneeze a lot. It does control it, it is the seat of the immune system. Yeah, a poor gut means you have poor absorption of nutrients. It means you have systemic inflammation, you have a chronic low level stress signal being set throughout the body. Hormones are going to be thrown off, production of catecholamines will be off, serotonin will be off. I mean you can pretty much forget about whatever physical goal you have if your gut is off. So don't ignore the signs, I mean this is just part of it right, like most people just like blaze through the day, like oh wow yeah, you know I didn't wake up so well this morning, I had diarrhea, but you know, I'm just going to power through. Yeah, you know this is finally made its way into the bodybuilding community even. Yeah. It was like ignored for, I mean it leaves, so we, when we talked about it, we were like ground breakers in the space. Oh yeah, nobody, and even it's still not, I mean I still think that it's, what would you say? The percentage of fitness talking heads, like how prevalent do you think it is? Half, you think we've passed over the threshold of more than half of people? I would say half. Speaking to it as an important factor. I would say half, I don't know if they prioritize it, but I saw it, it wasn't that long ago, like when we started the podcast and we talked about gut health, nobody, nobody in the fitness space was talking about it. And people. People, wellness people. Yeah, some of the wellness people were talking about. Now, if I go back even further, when I owned my wellness studio, I was very, I mean, in hindsight, I was very blessed because I always had, you know, my market in mind and I realized that in order to better serve my market, there was value in different modalities, so at the very least I was at least aware enough of that. Now, personally, I knew none of this other stuff. I was a fitness guy. I knew exercise, macros, calories, that was it, but I knew there was value in other things. So I actually had somebody who did gut health testing, who worked with people's gut health in my facility, and I thought it was like whatever. But because I worked with this person on a daily basis and I saw people's results and I would overhear conversations because it was a small facility, I just learned a lot and I started to realize its value. And this was like 15 years ago, 20 years ago, when she was talking about the stuff and people thought it was crazy and it's out there and what are you doing? And then I would see the benefits. Of course, I had my own gut health issues, which really solidified its value. But yeah, nobody was talking about it just seven, eight years ago. Not really. But now everybody's starting to talk about it because it's a big deal. And again, if you're trying to like build muscle or burn body fat, you can kiss that goodbye if this is off. This is off. Forget about it. Is there, do we have studies like to show comparisons to somebody who is on a diet to lose body fat and they have a healthy gut. And then they test it for let's say 12 weeks or whatever. And they show somebody who's got a compromised gut. And then they're trying to do it like how dramatic of a difference their results could be. Do we have stuff like that? We don't exactly have those, but we have some pretty interesting studies where we take a gut microbiome from one animal and put it in another. And that animal will get leaner. Haven't they done studies of that where they've encapsulated, basically, and then taking somebody else's bacteria. That's right. Not a person though, a rat, right? These are all rats. No, there's human studies too. Oh, there is human studies. Yeah. There's some human studies that'll show changes in mood, changes in body composition, hormones. Is that why it still hasn't been fully adopted? Do you think because a lot of the research has been done in animal studies and so we haven't been... Bro, the gut is so complex that for us to figure out what the right fingerprint is for you in the moment, let alone on an ongoing basis, there's a lot of... It's kind of like the universe and alien argument, I feel like. Yeah, dude. There's so much, there's so complex we have no idea. We know, we have an idea of some microbes have beneficial effects and we stick to those in most probiotics. We know, for example, that there's buffito and lactobacillus strains of bacteria that seem to have beneficial effects in people, but we don't know what the fingerprint looks like. I mean, the best we could do is look at your poop, but that doesn't even tell us a whole story. Story. That kind of tells us the bacteria that died, not what's alive now. We also don't know the interaction of each of those bacteria is with each other and there's so many of them and so much going on and then fungus that's in your system and then your body's own physiology and all that stuff. I think we will in the future though, we'll know. You know, it's weird, so there's treatment facilities overseas, they don't do this here because it's real risky, but people will go and do some of these fecal transplants in other countries or they'll get parasites on purpose because it cures their autoimmune issues. Rebuilds sort of their stomach lining, that relationship between, yeah, if that leaky gut syndrome, I've heard that they go in that direction. It's weird. It's really weird and there's a lot of potential there. So we'll see what happens. But like on the probiotic front, for example, here's what's weird. Dead beneficial probiotics seem to have some benefit. So you could take a probiotic and the bacteria is dead and you'll still get some benefit, which is weird, just their presence of these dead bacteria. Now, you're not going to get as much of a benefit as if the bacteria were alive and you're not going to get as much of a benefit when the bacteria doesn't survive the digestive tract and gets deposited in the parts of the body you wanted to. Right. So the delivery system really makes a difference with these probiotics. Huge. Okay, this is probably a terrible question, I'm going to trouble for this. Is seed dead or live bacteria that we get? Seed is live for all intents and purposes. And it can stay alive in the capsule like that in the bottle. You don't need to refrigerate it. You don't need to do anything. No, it's like they're hibernating. And then the capsule itself was designed to release the bacteria where you are supposed to release it. So it survives some of that digestive. So remember we'll see they have like a gut simulator. Artificial metabolism simulator. Yeah, it'll show how long it takes. So I knew that about it, but I couldn't remember if it was live or dead bacteria. Now, is that common with most probiotics? Usually you'd have to get a refrigerated probiotic for that to happen. Okay. But even dead, again, even dead probiotics have some benefit. So a lot of people will take a probiotic and see benefit regardless, but if you get a really good probiotic, it's more benefit. It's dead and you can still get it. Yeah. Do we understand why? No. Like the presence of the bacteria does something to the immune system and your body reacts in a particular way. Now the presence of live bacteria obviously changes the microbiome or offsets the overdevelopment of other certain bacteria and then, you know, maybe they produce their own, you know, what's going on. Do they survive long enough to stay? It's not like you repopulate your gut necessarily either. That's why you take probiotics on a regular basis because then they eventually die and then you got to put them back in there. It's so complex. It's very weird. It's really a science that's interesting. Plus you don't know. They have their own cravings and that's what's so weird. You feel like, like, how much of my brain am I consciously driving versus, like, you know, bacteria? You have more bacteria cells in you than human cells. And to think that they haven't evolved to influence your behaviors to promote their own survivability is silly. So to populate you with beneficial bacteria seems to me like that should be a big emphasis. Well, I think just try it and see for yourself. Like I've used, I don't know, a hundred or at least a hundred different probiotic brands because I have, you know, and seed is the first one that I notice consistent good results from. And I don't get these eventually the probiotic, I'll take it, sometimes get good results and then I'll get bad results. And I think because there's like an overgrowth that happens or something. I'm not quite sure. Seed is the first one that I could just take all the time and always have like good benefits from. Now I'm not, you're like consistent. You're really good about like every day taking it. I've trained myself to be good about doing it when I know I'm going to eat something that is going to offend my gut, right? Like I know that like if I don't take anything like it's, I have issues afterwards. And so I've at least trained myself that, OK, if I'm going to go eat this knowing that it's not ideal. And I can see a significant difference in how I feel afterwards. Now, do you, I mean, Justin, are you like Sal, where you take it religiously or are you inconsistent? How are you with it? Yeah, I'm more like, I guess, reactive with it. And so proactive with it, kind of like you're saying. Where I'll notice things are off and then I'm like, oh, no, I got to go through a protocol again and really be diligent with like taking the probiotic and, you know, helping my gut kind of like get back on track. So it's usually like, I would like to say I was like, you know, super consistent with it. But, you know, that's, that's usually I take. Yeah, I know. I'll be honest with the audience. You guys aren't big supplementing. No, I'm just, I'm terrible with all. It doesn't matter if it's Crete. It doesn't matter if it's the best. I know it would benefit me more if I was. I just, you know, is that, I mean, is that a fact sound? Like, I mean, would Justin and I be in a way better position if we were just really consistent? Probably. Yeah, because you have acute anti-inflammatory effects, which is probably what you guys are noticing when you take it. When you have a meal, that's bad. Yeah. It also could probably prevent, you know, whatever bacterial overgrowth from happening in that moment or within the next few days. But if you did it on a consistent basis, you'd be set up better than you would if you just did it on a, like a, on a semi-regular basis or occasional basis. But you guys just aren't supplement takers. Yeah. I noticed that if I want you guys to take something regularly to test, I have to be the one to control. Like, I have to be the ones to give it to you guys, which is what I'll do. I'll come in. I don't know what that is. I think it's, I grew up, like, of my parents, like, has those, like, pill trays and, like, they're just, oh, like, always, like, putting stuff down. I just, that, to me, was so unappealing. Well, I actually want to avoid that at all costs. I mean, I think, I'm not sure, but I think we're more normal. You are. I don't think most people are as regimen as you are. The only other person I know that's as consistent as I am with supplements is Doug. Yeah. I don't know anybody else like that. Doug, like, measures them out, plans them, does the whole thing. My uncle would be the other person. I don't know anybody else that's like that. I'm on the other hand, though. My mom got into, like, homeopathic stuff, you know. And so I was just like, pfft. I'm excessive, though. I get, I experiment. I like taking things for the hell of it. I like to take 15 different things at one time. So I have my own dysfunctional relationship. I mean, you're, I mean, you're, like, I love that you are like that. It's nice to have somebody that's a close friend who you also trust is knowledgeable that does things with that. It reminds me of, like, Ben Greenfield. I mean, I feel like you and Ben are some of my favorite people to talk to because I know how healthy of a person you are. I know how much you, and I know how much you prioritize the big rocks first. And so I'm always curious about your opinion on, you know, now I tease you about, like, you're like the guy who was like, as soon as you take it, you're like, I feel something. I noticed something. I noticed something. Like, bro, come on, calm down, dude. Like, so I know I tease you, but I genuinely am interested to hear what you have to say about it because you're not just some random dude. But hey, up until now, if I've said you guys got to try this, I'd say probably nine out of 10 times you guys noticed. Yeah, we'll try it. I guess I got one out of 10 times or you guys might not like it or it doesn't feel right, but nine out of 10 times you guys, that's why this whole like peptide world now that I've been introduced to is a good and a bad thing. It's a good thing because it's fascinating. I can learn about it. I can talk about it. It's like endless reading now I'm doing with it. It's just so big and crazy. Bad because now I have this like connection to an endless supply of different types of peptides. So yeah, that's why I said you guys need to kind of watch me make sure I don't go crazy. Endless options. Yeah, I don't go too crazy with all this stuff. So, all three of them are discounted $300 or more off. So massive discounts because it is January, so it's big month for fitness. Anyway, if you're interested in checking these out or signing up just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right, here comes the show. Dude, I have to tell you guys this about my son. So it was really funny. So this last week or so Katrina and I battle the coal. It seems like maybe he's starting to battle a little bit and Katrina's like, man, it just, she's like, I forget like our son is so good that when he's even slightly off, I get like this parent like, oh my God, what do I do? She was like, cause he's just, he's so consistently good. And then when he's off even the slightest bit, it's like, what is wrong with you kid? Like, but he, he is, and she said it like we were just talking. She's like, I said, hey, I was Max doing today. She's like, God, he is just so moody. Oh no. And what it looks like. So where do you get that from anyway? Well, you know, what made me laugh about it? Cause I know that's the joke around here with me. It's just like, I wonder, did I, did I have these types of stuff? I have to ask my mom if, if she would describe me the same way and what it looks like. So it was yesterday, I go to work. Yeah, what is a three year old who's booty look like? Again, I'll tell you what it looks like, right? So I, yesterday I went to work and I drove the truck, Katrina drove the truck the day before and so I had a lot of Max's stuff in the back seat. And when I took off, I didn't even realize it. He's on, he's going through this phase right now where, so he has this like giant T racks. He's got a stuffed animals stegosaurus and then he's got a, you know, a Mr. Grinch. That's like, and they're, and they're like kind of bigger. Like for him, they're like life size, right? They're like his size and he, they're his friends. And he brings them, you know, when he plays with his monster trucks, he brings them, he puts them in a circle. Oh, that's great. Yeah, he is a new phase. He just started doing this. It's funny. Breakfast, he puts all three of them in their stools and then he sits in the four stool and he eats it. Oh, that's so awesome. You like talk to him? How does he interact with them? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So he interacts with them. Is he like you? Is he telling them what to do? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of funny to watch, right? And that's- He's like telling them what to do. You're going to sell this. So Katrina remembers me sharing that with her about like some old footage of, of me like, come on friends, like organizing the neighborhood kids and stuff. So she's like, I think it's so cute. Cause I remember when we first started dating, you showed me that video of you when you were- So he's doing that too? Yeah, yeah. Well, anyways, I didn't even notice it until I got to work. You know, T-Rex was in my back seat and so was Mr. Grinch and they were in the back seat and I took them to work. And she's like, you know, he came out and he was just like, you could see he was just so pissed that his things were, and he just, just gets an attitude in short about every little thing. And like everything begins to irritate him for the day. And she goes, and so she had told me that before I came home. So I knew I walked in the door with T-Rex and Mr. Grinch, yeah. And I started playing the characters like they wanted to come to work with me. That's why they came. And when he saw me walk through the door and I was holding him, the look on his face was just this like, you could tell he looked like he was wanting to cry and he was so angry and irritated with me. And so I started playing the characters and everything like that. And you could see he wanted to be really like pissed about it, but because I was playing into it, he kind of like let it go, didn't say anything, wasn't happy, you know, asked me to put him over next to him and he was eating. And she had these, I think they're called Asian pears, whatever that I love. And so does Max. And I saw that she had some of them. And I was like, ooh, I want one of those. And he just looks at me, then he looks at his mom and he looks back at me. And he just like starts to, he gets that famous Michael Jordan meme of him crying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made that face, you know, look at me just. And that's not like him. Normally he's like, okay, daddy and he shares and he's over the last straw. Oh yeah, it was just started crying. And I'm like, oh my God, dude, calm the fuck down. Dude, I won't take one of your Fuji apples or whatever Asian pears, whatever. So yeah, he's got this, this funny thing when if he's at all off, right? Didn't get to go to sleep or he's a little sick. Just everything, Bob, he's like everything is like he's on edge on everything. But he's not like screaming, yelling. He's not, he's just in a bad mood. I think I told you, yeah, like the other day, like what I noticed about Everett and it's the same lines with that in terms of like knowing yourself really well. And like Courtney's having a hard time with Everett. It was in a bad mood. You know, I was like trying to talk to him too. And he was like snappy and blah, blah, blah. And like, he didn't want to do anything. We keep suggesting all these things. You want to do this, bud. Maybe like play with your Play-Doh sand thing and whatever, like be constructive. We didn't have power. And he's like, you know, pissed off because like you can't like interact with his friends. I was like, do you want to wrestle? And he's just like, mm-hmm. Like, do you want to wrestle, dude? And he's just like, mm-hmm. Yeah, I know. Just was beating on him. And he's like, yay. You know, like he just wanted to get beat up. And so I like, his birthday's coming up. So I'm like, we got to get him a punching bag, dude. Like this is energy. He needs to express that energy and get it out. Like this is just one of those things. I had to deal with it. I needed that. I got an idea for you. They sell grappling dummies. Have you seen these? Oh, the ones that you pick up and you slam. You can slam them. They have like joints. So you can like twist their arms. You could choke them out. That's a great idea, yeah. Get him a freaking grappling dummies. Yeah, that's funny. Now, what is it about, now you guys are the same way. I don't know if you are the same way like this. What is it about dads that you like, when you see that, you know that? I guess, even when I see myself, there's a part of me that wants to poke it. Poke it. Of course. And fuck with it. Of course, cause it's fun. Yeah, Katrina was getting mad at me, you know? Cause I just know like. You want to test them a little bit. He's in one of those moods. I just, so I mess with it a lot of time. Of course. He was like sitting down and he was watching. On the same mood. What was the, oh, I think it was Mr. Grinch, Dr. Seuss thing, whatever. And it was like one of the theme songs. And so I started singing it. You liked it? No. No. And then I'd stop. Then I'd start singing. No. Calm the fuck down, guy. Relax, you know? Katrina's like, stop fucking with him. Like, you know he's in a mood. Like, I just think it's so funny cause he's never liked that. Well, cause it too. His friends are going to do that too. Right. They're going to tease them. Is that what it is? Is it, is it? Cause it's not like I like really actively thought about like, I'm going to fuck with my son. It's just, it's just second nature. It's also, we're prepping him a little bit. Yeah. Well, it's also cute. I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't do it past a certain point. No, right. Like I don't, I don't like when he, I push him right to that point where I can tell he wants to cry. I'm like, okay, I'll back off. You're just playing with him. I'll back off a little bit. It's cute. I might, today I dropped my, speaking of music, I dropped my daughter. Whenever I drop her off at school, like as soon as you start pulling up, she like reaches up, turns the radio way down. Oh, come on. You're embarrassing your music. Yeah, dude. It doesn't matter what I'm playing. She has to turn it down. So when she opens the door, what do you think I do? Brr, turn it around. Roll the windows out. See you later, honey. Oh, death metal. I put death metal on. Bye, drive off. Now, what, okay, what is it? What is everybody's kids? I kind of know Breeze cause I've heard some of her music. I probably relate, probably to some of hers. What is, what are the kids, all your kids listen to? My older kids. Are they in line with you? Are they totally different? No, they're actually quite in line. My kids are pretty in line. So when they wash dishes, they'll usually put music on so long as the baby's not sleeping. And it's usually rock or alternative. And it's, it's from all, by the way, this is something that I noticed too with this current generation. When we were younger, because our music was filtered through radio stations, we either liked, we liked a genre because we listened to the rap station or the rock station or whatever. We didn't get a whole wide variety. And then to listen to like different era of music, unless your parents listened to it, you really didn't have any way of hearing music from different eras. Well, because of YouTube and technology, kids today are so, their scope of music is so wide. So my kids are constantly bringing me music that's from the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s. And it's, it's alternative. It's hip hop. It's, it's rock. It's, and it's, it's not weird. When I was a kid, you either like rock or hip hop. This is one of my favorite features of Spotify. Like if you listen, if you find something on Spotify that you really like, they have all the other artists that they recommend. And they, they, I mean, it's- And it doesn't matter what era or whatever. Yeah, it doesn't matter what era. I know. Yeah, yeah. So it's cool. Yeah. So it's interesting cause like Ethan and Everdiver, and like Ethan's been through phases of like, kind of strange. He'll like rock, but then he likes some weird like techno, like like video game music stuff. And then he just doesn't even care. He doesn't, like, it doesn't interest him really. He's like into other things. And whereas, you know, Everett's a lot more musically inclined and he'll, he loves, cause I've definitely influenced him a lot with like a lot of stuff. So it's like classic rock or it's grunge or it's all that stuff. And he's starting to sing it now in the shower, which is hilarious. You know, we'll catch him like singing a popular song. Really? Yeah. So he like told me the other day too. He's like my top three, it's like Led Zeppelin's Black Dog. And then he really likes, I think it was, it was a Royal Blood song. And then- He's good choices. Yeah, dude. It was really good. The third one sucked. It was Cotton Eye Joe. And I was like, I'm like, cool, bud. He's catching it. Two out of three. Two out of three. He's like, dad, right? Give me a knee. I'm like, oh my God. Plus 10 points. Plus 10 points. Mine is 50 points, son. Yeah, exactly. How dare you? No, it's to have such a wide breadth and scope of music. My kids will show me music all the time. Dad, have you heard this before? I'm like, Riders of the Storm? The doors. Oh, oh, it's the doors? Yeah, you never heard that before? Or you'll play a song that'll hear in a commercial or something like that. Oh, people make, what are those videos when montage videos? That's a montage video song. I'm like, this is a great song. It's all YouTube based for the younger generation. That's pretty wild. Now it's cool to see that these traits in your kid. My oldest, he started displaying certain traits for me because he's not exactly like I am, but there's a lot of traits that were similar. When, I don't remember what grade he was in. Fourth grade. He might have been in fourth grade. He was young. And we did a parent teacher conference and the teacher's like, yeah, he's doing a great job and everything's good, but can you, there's one thing I'd like to you to talk to your son about. I'm like, well, what is it? She goes, well, he tries to correct me in front of the class. Boy, is that you. Hey, and I'm sitting there and like, Sweat. Yeah, Sweat's starting to beat, you know? I'm like, I don't know where he got that from. Hey, so here's the best part, right? Interesting. Here's the best part. So I'm like, well, what happened exactly? Was he right? And then of course he come to his defense. He was right. He was right. Well, he was right, come on. I was sweating a little bit and I said, well, what exactly happened? And she explained it to me. She's like, well, I made this mistake and you know, whatever, and then he was correcting me in front of everybody. I'm like, so you were wrong. And he helped me. He helped me. I was like, uh-oh. What's the problem? I didn't like it. Yeah. It was in front of the whole class. Yeah. Oh my God, boy, dude. I know, dude. They are, they're a lot like you too. And they're dark sense of humor, dude. Oh, I can't even, I can't even repeat. Oh God, I love it though. I mean, I think that's so, I mean, that's gotta be so neat because you obviously didn't train that. It's not like you're doing dark jokes like that. No, not to my kids. Yeah, and at that young of an age. So to see that, you know, like manifest itself in them as a teenager, what about that? You gotta be like- Here, I'll tell you one of the jokes. We can edit this out, Doug, if it's too much or- Well, listen, if you preface it with they have a dark sense of humor. No, no, this is the one, this is the one I think I can share because they're the ones I want to share. But my daughter comes up to me and she goes, why should you, if an orphan invites you to their house for a party, why should you go? And I said, why is that? Because the parents are home. All right. That's it, that's it. Nice, that's that. Terrible joke. And then the pile-ons on that. To me, what makes it way more funny is you have to know Alessia. Like if you've seen her, she is like this. The sweet shit. Yeah, this tiny, little cute, little quiet kid that's like, you just do not see that coming out of her mouth. Like I can't wait to catch that. That's why I want, we need to do something with Markucci, your daughter, his daughter. Yeah, cause they'll probably jive. Oh, they will, they will totally jive. It'll be fun to watch that. That'll be fun. Hey, did you guys see the, did we talk about the new recommendations from the medical associations on children, on obese children? You guys see these? No. It was basically talking about like ushering them in to like the new, like pharmaceutical drugs. Okay, so. Like right away, like intervening as soon as possible. Listen, tell me, I wasn't right. Like rushing it. Tell me that we weren't right 100% on the whole obesity is a disease and what they're trying to set us up for. That comes out where they're pushing this a disease thing. They're not even trying to hide it. No, next thing that comes out. Pharmaceuticals immediately. Is that they're now recommending surgery and or pharmaceuticals for children. So 12 and 13 year olds who are obese. They're now recommending that as a treatment. So you take your 12 year old, you take your 12 year old to the doctor and the doctor sees that their BMI is high. This will now be, oh, we're gonna prescribe your kid. You know, Orlistat, I think is the one drug. You guys know what that is? No. Maybe you can look that up, Doug. I think the drug that they're recommending is Orlistat, if I'm not mistaken. I think that's the name of it. Like how evil of a person do you have to be to write these things? Like where is your, where's your moral compass as a writer and editor when you get this dropped on your desk and you create some shit around this? Or just the medical associations. What's wrong with you? It's gotta stop somewhere. So like, you don't have to write it, man. I'm crazy. So Doug, as you're looking that up, so here's what happens. Okay, I don't think, I do think pharma drives the medical industry at large, but I definitely don't think doctors and obesity experts and stuff are evil people. I think at large they're good people trying to help, but what happens is the scope is so narrow that they're looking at these kids who are 12 and 13 and saying, okay, they're obese now. Here are the risks associated with obesity as they get older. So the surgery is going to outweigh the potential negatives of obesity, but here's why that scope is so narrow. You're taking a 12 year old and you're considering or assuming they will never change their lifestyle. You're assuming they'll never become empowered and you're also discrediting all of the other potential side effects that have nothing to do with obesity from a surgery or a drug. For example, is the drug called Orlistat? It is, okay. Orlistat. FDA approved too. Yeah, so Orlistat is a drug that you take that blocks the absorption of fat. So this is the one where the side effects are oily stool and oil in your poop or whatever. Okay, do you know what it means to block the absorption of fat? You're also blocking the absorption of fatty acids and fat soluble nutrients. Yes. So you can take children. They're gonna be malnutrition. And you're gonna cause vitamin D deficiencies or vitamin A deficiencies or vitamin E deficiencies. Oh, but don't worry. We're gonna also put them on. But they'll be supplements. Correct, medically prescribed vitamins or whatever. And then they're also not considering all the potential effects from the surgery. You're messing with their gut and their digestive system. Are there gonna be mood issues with that? What does a surgery tell the kid? What kind of message are you sending your powerless to tell? You know who's fault this really is? Parents. Yeah. Yeah, parents, dude. 100%. It's always that, of course. I mean, that's just frustrating because I mean, yeah. If they would have got the right education and upbringing in terms of like, you can handle this and you can take these steps towards a healthier path. It's just, at this point, it's totally a powerless message. You know what they're sending? You know what would make a bigger difference with something like this? Simply saying, and I'm not for this kind of regulation, but I think this would make a bigger impact. Heavily processed foods are not allowed to advertise to anybody under the age of 17 or something like that. I bet that would have a bigger impact on childhood obesity than any other thing that they would do with pharmaceuticals or surgery. I bet. You know, I don't even know if, well, I mean, I'm sure that would help someone. To me, I feel like it's- That other parents buy it? It's the introduction to a lot of it that probably causes it. I feel like that. I mean, you give that to a kid at such a young age and you change their palate and then they, then, because what I get is, because everybody understands what it's like, or anyone has kids understands what it's like to have like a kid that is just nagging, nagging, nagging all day, you're busy, busy, and so, and they're wanting something. And you know, if you give it to them, that they'll shut up. That they'll stop. You gotta say no. You're the parent. But that's where I think this is where this gets out of hand is that they, you choose the easy path of, it's just like the thing with tech. With slow drip. With the iPad. Yeah, but that means the parents have to change their behaviors. That's why it won't happen. That's why. And it means it's gonna be more typical from them. I mean, that's the truth. Like, obviously it would be much easier just to hand my son candy every time he cried about something because if I did, he'd be happy. Which would mean you have candy at home. Yeah. You know, that's the big thing because where you find obese parents, you almost always find obese children. So it's tough. And we also don't teach, this is something I'm more aware of now that I wasn't 10 years ago. We also don't teach food relationships to children the right way in a modern environment. So what that means is when, and this happens when they're reeling on, once they're past a certain age, then it's different. Then it's more education. And this is what this does for you. And this, you know, does that for you? Only like two, three years old. Food relationship is more important than nutrition in this, in terms of priority. And that doesn't mean you don't prioritize nutrition. It just means that this is when you start to develop the relationship or help them develop a relationship with food where they understand how to eat when they're hungry, when they're not hungry. Do they eat food when it's meal time and when it's not meal time they don't eat? That kind of stuff. That's something I wasn't super aware of with little ones but we just don't know how to do it. We learned how to eat from our parents and their parents who all learned how to eat when there was no food. So it's a totally different game. The game that we learned or the strategy we learned when we were kids is you better finish everything on your plate or your ground. You're not leaving until you clean. Now, what are we seeing Sal as far as the nutrients that children are getting is, now they're over consuming. So I'm assuming that they would have an abundance of that or are they also like, they're missing vital nutrients and then also over consuming on calories. Depends on his ultra process. Yeah, no, you see that still. Yeah, you're seeing nutrient deficiencies. Vitamin D is quite common. Same ones you find in adults. You're starting to see in children because they are eating, now a lot of processed foods are quote unquote fortified but the nutrients that you're getting in them aren't very well absorbed or they're not balanced. Sometimes you have too much of some stuff and not enough of others but they're not getting lots of fruits, vegetables and fresh meat or in eggs and stuff like that. In fact, the only unprocessed foods that kids eat regularly now are like milk, eggs, maybe meat here and there and that's pretty much it. Everything else is processed. So this year, you approved a company for us to work with that is a children's multivitamin. What was the thought process on that for you when you gave the green light to Katrina? Well, they have first off, the supplement market's not regulated so you'd want to have a company that allows for third-party testing so that has what it says it has that also uses the right amounts so it's not too much, not too little and kids multivitamins are typically glorified candy. So have you ever seen like the gummy candies or whatever? Oftentimes too high in vitamin A, not high enough and other stuff and it's like candy. It's like you're just giving your kids, yeah, you're just giving your kids like little pieces of candy every single day and not doing a whole lot. Is it something that's sweet enough? The kid will eat it or like how do they? Oh, okay. Now if your kid eats gummy bears every day, maybe not. Yeah, but it's like, I mean, Araleas. Oh yeah, Max had it like he ate it like he thought it was candy. So he thought it was sweet, but when I tasted it and I didn't think it was that, it didn't taste like it was like the Flintstone vitamin. No, it's naturally sweetened. It's like monk fruit. I was gonna ask what it is. So it's monk fruit. Yeah, so it's not like sugar and stuff like that. No artificial sweeteners and things like that in it. Oh, okay, that's good. So this is a good, it's a good company and it's as good for if you're to fill any nutritional gaps with your kids. Now if your kids eat lots of whole natural foods in a wide variety, especially if they eat lots of things like fresh meat and eggs and stuff, then they're probably okay. But the amounts in these multivitamins aren't so high either where you're worried about. Over. Yeah, that's another thing you gotta be careful for is you take these vitamins and they're so high and certain nutrients that, like I don't know if that's a good idea. Yeah. And you take them on a regular basis. Right. Anyway, Justin, I wanna ask you, you've had this note up for a while. I wanna know what the hell it is. Which one? The man with three legs. So yeah, I was scrolling around and like looking at all that's interesting. I think this is where I got it from. It's a page that we're not recommending or anything, but I should have, but this is one of those pages that like brings up old stuff that I was like totally unaware of like this freak show sideshow kind of people that like, and it's sad on some level, but some of them are you're just like, I like, What? Like I would have never guessed. So there was a man with three legs, like legitimately had three legs and two dicks. Whoa. Yeah. To go with that. And I was like, wow. Congratulations. That's way more interesting than the three legs. Exactly, right? And so he had two crotches, therefore he had two dicks. Two crotches. So really what happened was he absorbed a twin. Oh. So he's basically part his twin in himself. Functional. Functional? Oh yeah, I've seen it before. Yeah, functional. It had kids, you know, married. Yeah, kids too. Yes. Were they both functional? I don't know. That's why I was so curious. I was like, I wonder if they both worked, you know, and like. Hey, like I was just fascinated by that. He go back to back, right? Yeah. This one's done, but we got this one go. It sounded like, Yeah, go ahead. Yeah. Well, Sal's gonna be happy. I think he's Italian. His name is Frank Lentini. Why? Frank Lentini, the man with two weenies. Wow, dude. Frank, the tricycle. Yeah. Man, he's just. I know, I've been accused at times. But that's the funny, that's always the joke. He's like, oh, I got a tripod, you know, and it's like, you know, he's got the third leg. But it's literally, he has like two crotches. Imagine how confusing that would be. This is the only time this has ever happened, one man. I can't think of any other example in history other than this guy. This guy would be a bad-ass at Taekwondo, right? If his foot, that one leg doesn't look very functional. It's like just a prop. Well, I'm curious if he has, both this things are working. Both wings? Yeah. Yes, they did. Functioning. Yeah, he was actually born in Sicily. Wow. They both were functioning? Oh my God. Could be a relative, actually. Wow. So he gets two bonus. So could he double orgasm? Let me if they're functioning. It doesn't specify that. No, okay, no, no, no, hold on a second. Hold on a second. He has one central nervous system. Yeah. So it's like a lighter. No, they're both simultaneous. So it's not like he uses one and then it doesn't affect the other one. He probably orgasms with both at the same time. It's one CNS. Sorry, guys. I mean, imagine if they... Imagine you can alternate, yeah. Give this one a rest. Come here. Babe. What's his face? Who's the famous porn star that everyone knows? What's his name? You know that musical chairs? You know what I mean? What's a famous porn star? Ron Jeremy? Ron Jeremy, eat your heart out. You know what I'm saying? Disgusting. Anyway, that guy is, I guess, he's my new favorite specimen. Wow, that's weird. Hey, how confused you'd be hearing those footsteps? You imagine the dark? What's going on? I don't know. This is wild. Dude, did you guys see, I got hit with this ad and I actually was curious. And so it was actually like a 30 minute. It's only on those like short ads on Instagram, but then if you clicked on it, you watched the full 30 minutes. I couldn't finish the full 30 minutes because I was like so disgusted in it. It was a Tony Horton ad. And it was... Did you hear a who? Sorry. Did it. It's your shirt that... Yeah, it's all related. He, what, I didn't know what happened to him. He had some disease that happened. Oh, wait, you know a heart attack or something like that? No, he had some muscular disease. Yeah, some muscular disease and he lost all this muscle. He was hospitalized. I didn't even know that, right? I didn't know it either. So I guess he had kind of fallen off for a long time. Everybody was like, where's he at? This had happened to him. He's come back. He's healthier again and better. And he's now using that story to peddle a supplement. Like attributing it all towards like plant-based protein. And it's like, yeah, it's plant-based protein. I think even like... Like to save my life type of deal? Yeah, bro. Like really pulling the heartstrings to sell products. Like it actually... I actually didn't even realize I was watching like a supplement ad at first. It was just like his story. And he even had like another girl was telling a story like how mind-blowing like this supplement was. And so it got me. It hooked me in. Oh, I see this ad. And I'm watching it and I'm like, oh, I didn't know. Oh, that's where he's been. And I'm like... I wonder how many people that really kind of pulled in. Oh, it pulled me in just from the story. And it took me at least, I don't know, a few minutes into it before I realized what was happening. And I went, oh, shit. This is such a powerful tool that a lot of these influencers... All these influencers will use to just push bullshit. How crazy do you have to be to do that? I know, part of me is like, gets upset with that. Part of me is like, well, I mean, he had something terrible happen and he spun it into a new business. So part of me... You know what I mean? Like get on him. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I mean, okay, so what... Okay, my family's starving. I'm out on the street. It's do or die. This happens to me. I lost all my money. Like, would I do something crazy like this? Probably if it came to my family. You know what I'm saying? But I don't think he was hurting like that. No. I think the guy's worth a lot of money, man. So I don't think... What happened? What was his disease? Is anybody know? I forgot the name of it. It's called Ramsey Hunt, I think. Oh, Ramsey Hunt? Yeah, it was like a muscular atrophy type of disease, right? Like, is that what it is? It's like a form of shingles. Oh, oh, really? Oh, that's messed up. You know, I never liked him. So it doesn't really... It doesn't change my opinion of the guy. I don't know him. So I don't know how... I don't know, I don't... Okay, thank you. I don't know the guy. So when I say I don't like him, I don't like the whole... His whole fitness advice media thing. It was like the part of the fitness industry that's like... Yeah, I mean, here's kind of doing the same thing everybody was doing. Yeah, I'm careful not to judge because there's been too many times in this show where we've met somebody and I didn't like him. They didn't like him or somebody I really liked and then I can't stand him. So I'm like, I don't know. But regardless about him, that was a dirty way... That's a dirty way to sell supplements. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care if I love the guy when I meet him. I would still say that to you. Like, bro, that's a dirty angle. Part of me funneling it just to that one thing. He's like, come on, that's not the whole story. Again, part of me is almost like, God, that's gonna be terrible, right? You're like a fitness icon. You make a ton of money with P90X, all that stuff. You're supposed to be this trainer that's like healthy. Then you get this de-abilitating disease. I mean, I can kind of understand. Like I'm gonna re... I'm gonna re-embed myself. You launched a whole new supplement line on how to help build muscle over 60 years old and the... I'm looking at it. The crux of the marketing is around. I looked at the products. There's nothing in there that's... Yeah, that's what I mean. It's groundbreaking. It's nothing groundbreaking, but they use like this crazy story of what he went through and then now he's back and saved his life. And it's just like... Oh, God, that's... Yeah, that's the most powerful tool is the story. Yeah, something that's like pulls the heart strings. Especially if you know people love, Americans love, especially like a... The underdog, like the overcomer, yeah. Yeah, like come back from the dead type of deal. Speaking of influencers and the underdog, you know, first of all, one, I didn't know that David Goggins only does like a couple interviews ever. I thought I've seen so many clips of him, and just assumed he does tons of interviews. And it's like all just... Two, Rogan and then our dude at Modern Wisdom with Chris Williamson. Oh. Two, that's all he does. And he's got that interview dropping with Chris Williamson coming up. I know we interviewed Chris in this coming month. And I heard a clip. This is how kind of crazy Goggins is. Goggins made, okay, he took all the hate comments that were said on Instagram and his YouTube and also with that, recorded himself saying those comments to himself on video and then made it into a mixtape and then he listens to that shit when he fucking runs. And she's like, why do you do this? It's half comical and it's half inspiring. What the fuck, bro? 16-year-old me would be like, fuck. Oh, yeah, bro. That's exactly what I would have fed off of. Bad ass dude, like, you know. He's a fucking savvy. And I know he's not our style as far as like, because people ask why we hadn't brought him on. Yeah, it's kind of the opposite message of what we try and present to people, some of that. But as an individual. But exactly, does not mean, and I want to make that clear on the show because I've actually made comments before in the forum and I think people probably assume that I don't like him or I'm hating, but because we don't have him on the show and because like, I say I don't agree with the way, the messaging he's giving, because we try and I think we come from a total different perspective as coaches and the general population, that doesn't mean I don't think he's a badass. And I don't think that that's fucking trash. You just hate his fuels. Oh my God. Who else did that? Wasn't there somebody that we knew? Was it Mark Mastroff that said that he would take people's comments that would say, this won't work. You can't do this. He'd put post-it notes with him up in his mirror. Well, so I used to put- Some of the best athletes would do that. You know, like Michael Jordan was notorious for that. And they would like tally it up at the end and like, you know, address each one of the haters like specifically. Well, I had posted notes all over my bathroom of like, so like, most of them were like goals, but then I had one that was up there that was where I brushed my teeth at that was said beat Neil. And Neil at the time was like the top trainer in the gym. And I got really irritated because I have that personality of like, coming to people and wanting to learn, pulling on your shirt, being like, hey, you know, teach me type of deal. This must have been when you were a new trainer. I was brand new. Yeah, because you steamrolled me. Once somebody crosses you, I was the same. I would be like, okay, I'm gonna- I know who you guys talking about. I'm gonna come after this motherfucker. You steamrolled him. So it must have been when you first started. Oh, and I did. It only took me about a year or so to catch this dude. And I remember that, but that was like, beat Neil. You know what I'm saying? I had that because he had blew me off like that. And so it stung and so it stuck with me. And so I had that up there every day where it was like- Little did he know. Yeah. He created the monster. Yeah. Woke in the beast. Oh, that's wild man. It helps to use that stuff. Some people can be motivated by hate on a consistent basis. I actually, okay, so I don't- I don't know if that's a great strategy for most people to line you up. I do think it is, but I think you need to have the self-awareness of to not allow it, not to not identify with it, right? Yes. Like there's nothing wrong to me. I think I still, to this day, do that. Like if someone tells me I can- Yeah, but you don't identify with it like you said, which means you're not, cause then what happens is we have a good friend like this who is so motivated by hate. You're saying the same thing. That they're looking for it. They need it. Yeah, they need it. Without it. They need it. Where I don't think I need it. I think it's, I go like, oh, thank you. Noted. That extra motivation for me. So I mean, Patrick by David talks about it in his book, your next five moves is being able to utilize that as fuel. And it's very powerful. Like I even think that the psychology around it, right? Cause it hits like an insecurity or there's like, there's a lot of potential fuel there. And so to not utilize it would be, I think naive, but then to be careful because you can then identify. Yeah, and then when you need it, you end up creating it. Right. So I do think there's some power in that. It does build up your self-belief on some level, right? Because you can overcome, you know, a lot of the forces against you. But yeah, if you keep feeding that, and that's your only well that you're going to, you know, inevitably that leads into a dark path. You become the very monster that you are constantly fighting against. Yeah. Yeah, I got something interesting. This is kind of off topic, but really cool. I learned about this group of people in the world. Maybe Doug can look this up. The Baizhu people, look up BAJ, I think it's by you, by you or by you. I thought it was a bougie thing. The bougie people. Yeah. I saw your notes. I was like, bougie people. It's not like Louisiana, I was like, I want to go there. Yeah, these bougie people. Yeah, look them up, Doug, and pull it up. Pull up a picture of these. Okay, okay. So this is a, now it's a shrinking population of people, but it's the only people in the world that live exclusively on water. Live on the water? They live on the water, and they have a genetic mutation. They have a cosmetic mutation that they've adapted because they've been doing this for, who God knows how many thousands of years. Is this theater webbed? No. What? They could dive to depths that no one else can dive to. Oh, yes. They can hold their breath and go down and dive to, so they're like some of the world's best natural divers. Like spear fishermen. Yes. And they build structures that float on the water, and the whole, from birth till death, they live on the water. That's kind of cool. Isn't that crazy? Where did you say it was? Where are they at? It looks like like the Philippines or where? Indonesia. Oh, Indonesia. Doug, look up their genetic mutation. I want to read up a little bit more on that, because that was what was fascinating to me, that they've been doing this for so long, that like, like world. Now they have gills behind their ears. Well, like champion divers will try to hang with them, and be like, wow, this is like an old man, 80 year old just go down on one breath. What does it say there? One such gene caused people blood to be squeezed out of the limbs and non-essential areas of the body so that the brain, heart, and lungs could continue to receive oxygen. So that's the mutation. The C-nomads. Do we have an example of like how? Another thing is they evolved to have bigger spleens. They have bigger spleens. Their blood cares more. So I mean, is there some stuff? Are like, they, they, they, more than a minute longer than the best divers? How adaptable we are. That's crazy. So is it like negligible? No, it's not negligible, that's for sure. But I'd love to look and see like, how long they, yeah, I would love to see like the difference, right? Like how far, are they diving like, you know, so many meters deeper than the best divers? Are they, can they stay, hold their breath longer? What do you got? Yeah, I'm trying to get that. So the deepest dive was 259 feet, which is very deep. Just over three minutes. See, that's a lot of pressure too. Tremendous. They can hold their breath for over five minutes. 259 feet? Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah. That's insane. You know what's crazy about that too, is you have to do that in stages. You can't just go down and come up. Oh yeah. If you come up to something. Yeah, have you ever saw it at the bottom of like a 20 foot pool? Like that's like a big deal. We'll know what happens at those, at those depths is the pressure causes some of the gases in your system and blood to liquefy. And then it goes to different parts of the body. Hope I'm getting this right. And then if you come up too fast, it turns back into a gas in the wrong parts of the body and you get what's called, I think it's called the bends. The bends. The bends, yeah. Where they get this, it's like it could kill you. No, it hurt you. Yeah, like tremendous pain. Well, this is where the keto diet, I guess, is shown to be helpful, right? No, not for that. That's for... I thought it was for divers. No, that's for rebreathers. Oh, rebreathers. So Navy SEALs will use what are called rebreathers so that there's no bubbles coming up when they're trying to be stealth. But it causes so much hyperoxygenation that it can induce things like seizures and the ketogenic. These people can hold their breath for over five minutes while highly trained divers from other populations can only hold it for three or four. So that's a big difference. That's huge. Yeah, yeah, that's almost... Isn't that wild? Yeah, that is wild. There's also this... That's how I want it. I mean, like if it was like, oh, 20 more seconds than the last time, it's like... I remember you brought up a fact a long time ago where we were talking about, like, you know, you're in the water and you prune after a long time and like why we actually do that is for a better grip. Better grip. I've shared that fact so many times. So many people had no idea. I didn't remember where. I thought it was your skin absorbing the water. Yeah. No, it's not. But that's a CNS. That's your CNS that's closing that. So you can grip things underwater. Yeah. That's fascinating. This is interesting. So they... This one claims that they can stay under water for as long as 13 minutes at depths of around 200 feet. Well, okay, so what I was trying to figure out when you said 259 feet that they've done, the amount of time it would take just to swim down that. Like that's what I meant by what I said. Have you ever swum down the bottom of a 20 foot? Knowing you have to go back up. Yeah, you got to go down almost what, 12X that? And then you also have to come all the way back up. Like that would take some time. I don't know how many... I don't know how many feet, but if you've watched freedivers, they have to, they go down as deep as they can. And then what they do is they come up and they pause. Got to equalize or something. To equalize at certain stages to allow the pressure. Right, so imagine how many times, just to get down to that depth and how long that would take. That would take like several minutes. So there's also along these lines of adaptations and interesting facts. There's also this region or this, I want to say this town or this population in Mexico of these people who run, they live in a mountainous region I think, and they run from like the second they can walk to the day that they die. And this is like what they do is they run and run and run. And you'll see there's like 89 year olds continuing to run. They run mostly barefoot and they have this tremendous stamina and endurance, no injuries. Isn't like Kenya like that? Is that how Kenya is or no? That's also a big part of their culture. But this is a, it's a region in Mexico. I don't know if Doug can find. It's in the Chihuahua area of Mexico. Oh, okay. They're being chased by the run. Chased by the little dogs. This is the soup. You'll get on Taco Bell. Oh my God. That was a commercial. Come on. What happened to that commercial? That was a very popular commercial. I think it got. Don't come after me, dude. That was a real commercial. It says born to run, secrets of what? What is that? Tara, how do you say it? Yes, I mean, Tara, Humara, I guess. Those are, that's the people. The book probably references it. Yeah. And some of them will make shoes. They'll cut like a, they'll take like a, because they're poor, they'll take a tire. They'll cut a strip of the tire off and just slap it to the bottom of their feet. It's like a sandal. And they'll run for like 30 miles. Like every day. Oh, you know what, talking about shoes. You know, this whole like AI thing is, that's another market that's can get disrupted like it's. I was taking a shot. Be able to. Adam. I know. Tell us about it. No, I keep going, bro. I have to do that. Well, so Nike, so of course, Nike's trying to, you know, what do they do to stop this, right? You brought up with your daughter and stuff like that, what's been happening with the market with these, you know, the fakes that are looking so real and stuff. So Nike has got this new thing out where you can buy refurbished Nikes. So let's say like someone like me who's got, I've had a pair of Jordans for four or five years and they start to wear a little without use. They have now a, I can send them in, they refurbish them and then they put them back online and they sell them for a ridiculously like. Oh, wow. Yeah. That sounds pretty cool. That's brilliant. That sounds great. Make them like new again. Just by. And they look, they look, they look brand new afterwards. It's really, it's really cool. It's just getting really popular right now. But it just makes me think, like I was actually thinking about my, my shoe collection that's probably gonna be worth nothing in another year or two. So I was like, fuck, that's great. Cause I, that was like half the like, ah, I'm holding on to the, maybe I'll, maybe I'll flip them. Your entire land investment. Yeah. Boy, it was a retirement plan, like social security right now. Fuck, I'm fucked in 10 years, right? Better than FTX, but yeah. So, yeah, that's, that's an industry that I think is going to be really interesting because, you know, the, the stuff that probably makes up shoes and the ability to do that I think is, isn't that complicated when you think about 3D printing and the things that we can do that way. I just picture, like you're, you're hella poor in the future, but you're hella nice shoes. How do you afford no shoes? Yeah. I invested a lot in shoes that I was younger. It was really when this took off. So my, my theory is it's gonna, it's gonna really drive that. I mean, I think that we're, I think right now. Do you really think it's gonna hammer the, the? Shoe mark. I think that we're gonna, I think in our lifetime, shoes will, and I'm trying to think of an example of something that was like so crazy expensive. And then now it's just, it's super cheap, right, to have it, right? That's how like, I think shoes are gonna become really, really cheap. It's interesting because it seems the more popular, I don't know that a lot of new designs out are like super, like, are more popular than the old, like nostalgic kind of shoes. I don't know if, if you know this. Are you saying they are or were they? I've like, so in turn, well, I guess Yeezy's and all that, when that came out was like, probably kind of took a lot of the market share versus like, say you're old, like a version one, Jordan's. Oh, that'd be an interesting to search because I think that, you know, retro shoes are probably more popular than like new stuff. That's what I was. Oh, I thought you were saying the opposite. No, I was saying the opposite. I thought you were saying the opposite. New stuff has been, had sort of like. Yeah. Flatline. No, I think it's way more, yeah, way more popular to see Jordan's and Yeezy's and even Chucks. One of the things you're gonna bring back, like your retro shoes seem to be way more popular than, like to your point of that, of like me just wanting to refurbish like those designs, like I would be much more interested in that. Yeah. And that's why I think that's gonna crush this market because those are already more popular shoes. There's already a fake market for it's like, it's driving the prices down, it's becoming so competitive. It's becoming a thing now where kids openly buy the fakes cause they're like, why wouldn't I? They look just as good as the fucking real ones. It's like, so what? You get the box, you get the Jordan box, like whoever doesn't, I mean, I throw my boxes away anyways and put them in different containers. So what do you care if it's, if it's fake in the average 99% of the people wouldn't be able to tell, you know? So yeah, no, I think it's- When are they gonna bring back a British Knights? That's all I want to know. I'm wearing LA gear. Bro, check out, you know, it did come back. Doug, look up Reebok pumps for sale. Watch how much. Oh, the old ones? Yes, of course. I almost, I almost- Remember that annoying ass kid that before he did anything athletic? We'll hold on. They even make them now to look retro and old. Like they've been worn for 10 years and they think they sell like for like 600 bucks. Wait a minute, they make them look old? Yeah, go like, look up stock X, Doug, and then Reebok pumps, because what you're looking at are a bunch of like new- The big old basketball. Yeah, there was a little basketball on it, squeeze. So cheesy. Yeah, I totally wanted those back in the day. Everybody did. There you go. There they all are. Wow. That was the era of gimmicks, of shoe gimmicks. Uh-huh. Yeah, they were cool though. It was a big, it was a big deal to get those, man. Them and Jordan's like were- Yeah, you're either a Jordan or a pumps guy. Yeah, yeah. I was a kid. Kids. Or kids. It's your, yeah, British Knights are- The British Knights were the ones that lit up, right? No, British Knights was the ones that- LA Gear, was the LA Gear that lit up? Yeah, British Knights with pale-ass shoes. Was the LA Gear lit up? I don't remember which one was that. Who lit up first? That was later. That was LA Gear. No, no, it was LA Gear. Yeah, yeah, they were- They had the lights and the heels. My son has rain boots that do that. They had like tassels and shit. Like all this stuff. No, I bought, I bought, I don't remember who made them, but it was a basketball shoe and the commercial showed a catapult in the heel. What? Yes. Now he shocks you? No, it was- Before that? No, it was, I don't remember who made it, Converse or someone that- This was the year, this was the decade of gimmicky basketball shoes. It's like, this has a catapult in the heel. I'm like, oh fuck. I'm gonna jump hella high with those. Didn't do anything. That reminds me, what's that brand right now that's really popular on social media of the insoles and the guy, he's added it on a basketball court and that he shows like the, like he bends them and they shoot all the way up to like the hoop. Yeah, it's such a good ad. This'll do it for you. Yeah, because as a teenage kid, I was probably like, oh, I gotta get those insoles. Hey, I got a shout out before we step off here. Big little feelings, great page on Instagram. This is, these are toddler experts. So for parents out there, it's a huge page, 2.9 million followers, but great advice for raising kids and toddlers and stuff like that. Yeah, it's a good one. Check it out. Hey, look, check this out. You're not what you eat, you're what you digest. If you had a high protein diet, if you're a high fuel athlete or fitness fanatic, you know that sometimes it could be hard to digest all the protein, fats and carbohydrates that you put in your body to fuel your workouts. 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It's a great marketing tool, Hover. Yeah, it's not very effective. Now it's effective marketing. I could put together programs based on quote unquote body types and you're gonna wanna buy it. And she's gonna identify with one of these like, oh, this is for pear shaped people or apple shaped people. Well, there's a lot of correlation that goes with it. That's why, because it's like, there's a lot of, like when you look at somebody who is like an ectomorph, they tend to have a lot of things in common. They have lesser appetite. They seem to be more active people. They fidget a lot of time. They have smaller bone structure. And then, oh, they're also really lean. And so I think there's a lot of correlation to that that then you can then piggyback off of that and say, oh, well these body types need to eat this way. Yeah, I wouldn't, even for yourself, number one you wanna look at, like what's realistic and doable for me? Like what does this feel like for me? How do I feel about doing these things? What's realistic and doable? Then the next thing is considering that. So that's filter one. So think of it this way. Like you have a bunch of filters and you're putting rocks and sand and dirt through the filters. The first filter is to filter out the big rocks. And that is your psychology, your mental state. Like what is the most realistic for me to do consistently? Then the next filter is now that I know that, what's the most effective considering those parameters? And then after that, then you can look at male, female, body type, that kind of stuff. But by the time you get down to that filter, it really doesn't matter because the first two, the ones that I labeled, that I just labeled are by far the most important will cover 99% of what you're looking to do. And there may be a percent there left with body type stuff, but there's really not much. By the way, the whole body type theory was invented by a zoologist who came up with, tried to come up with a way to describe people. That, and by the way, in his descriptions include personality. This is where the whole like myth of like the fat, jolly person came from. Oh really? Yeah. So people are endomorph to be happy and jolly and people who tend to have, what's that one study of the skull where they study the bumps in the head? And then they try to tell you that your personality based on that. It's like along those lines. There's not much science behind it is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, it's like astrology. Next question is from Pete on the gram. When is an individual better off hiring a coach versus following a program like MAPS? You're always better off hiring a person if they're a good coach. Yeah, nothing will beat that. Right, even a MAPS program, like that's the, I think we've always admitted that. Now, the challenge is where's the threshold or where's the line of where, like you need to have a pretty dang good coach before it is actually better. And if you're a sub par coach, then you're better off just following a MAPS program than having somebody who's not gonna give you really good advice. So I think that's the challenge is knowing where that line is. But if it's a really good coach, if you have a really good coach, you're gonna get a lot of insight individually that way. Well, yeah. And also like the need to be able to pivot, I mean, how often did you guys do this as a coach? I've got my workout plan for Susie, she's coming in in 15 minutes and I know what we're gonna do. And then she gets there and we get into the first exercise and I can just see she's either off or I could tell she didn't sleep very well or she communicates that to me or I could see the way her body's moving. Or I noticed something for the first time that I hadn't seen in her before that oh, we should probably correct that and that's more important and then you pivot. And so, and if you were following a MAPS program and those things occurred, you should still pivot and actually focus on and address that, right? Or and so a good coach sees these and calls the audible real time where like we obviously can't do that in a digital program that was. A good coach is a guide and there's nothing that'll ever replace, I don't know about ever. We were talking about AI, so who knows. But up until now, nothing is more, nothing's gonna give you a better guarantee of success, especially long-term than a good guide or coach. But they have to be good. But even some of the more, the other I guess benefits or pros with like a MAPS program is it's inexpensive in comparison. Hiring a good coach is going to be a larger investment by far. Like a good trainer one-on-one is gonna be anywhere between 60 to $120 or more per hour. An online coach is gonna be hundreds of dollars every month, whereas a MAPS program is a fraction of that and you have lifetime access to it. Here's the best way to use a MAPS program. If you're looking for long-term success, the best way to use it is to follow a MAPS program, then follow another MAPS program and then another one because each MAPS program is gonna train you differently, is gonna teach you more about your body and then after you go through nine months or a year of doing this process, then you can go back and you can start to modify and change them based off of your individual needs. This is when you start to learn how to train yourself, which you also have to do with a guide. When you train with a guide, what a good guide or coach will do is teach you, the best coaches will teach you how to start to figure this out for yourself, but it's a long process, right? So that would be how I'd use a MAPS program. Well, I think the ultimate insurance because it's really hard to find a great coach. Like it's just something we get asked all the time and there's obviously signs and red flags to look out for, but to be able to, even if you have an average coach and they do a good job of showing up and taking you through workouts, to now combo that with a MAPS program and get them on board with teaching you the concepts and the right technique and how to perform these exercises within that structure would be, that's probably the best case scenario. Next question is from Jen Garner. Can I train for a bodybuilding show and a half marathon at the same time? Yeah. Terrible idea. At the same time? No, no, hold on, hold on. Terrible idea. Are we getting point? I don't even want to hear you trying to say that. Hold on a second. She didn't ask if it was a good idea. Can you? She said, can I? Okay, well, yes. Yeah, you totally can. You can also. Are you gonna do well? You can also try and practice meditation while listening to heavy metal. I don't recommend it. That's a bad example. You can also wash your clothes and gasoline at the same time. So, no, okay, so here's the deal. You can do whatever you want. This is a terrible idea though, if you're asking if you should. This is a guaranteed road towards overtraining, injury and sucking at both. You're going to suck at both. They're so contradictory. And a bodybuilding show, by the way, you're not asking, can I lift weights and do a half marathon? You're asking about a show. A show means you have contest prep. You are so depleted. Depleting yourself with nutrients and calories. And then you do a half marathon. You're gonna get sick. And you're gonna mess up the corner. And you're gonna try and run on that, dude. I almost feel like this question is a joke. This has to be a joke, right? I would guess this. I'm not gonna, look, I don't know who this person is. I'm not, you know, but I would guess that this person has a dysfunctional relationship with exercise already, if they're asking this, that they're probably already overtraining constantly. It's a pretty safe bet. And this is kind of, you know, par for the course for them. Terrible idea. If you did a show and a half marathon, you're, I'm gonna guarantee you that you're gonna hurt yourself, not feel very good. Yeah, and by the way, talk about two of the most extreme areas that like, when I get somebody who's like addicted to marathon running or addicted to bodybuilding and stuff like that, like they're, talk about a lot of dysfunction. Like those are two of the worst, like when it comes to stuff like that. Now you could train with some bodybuilding style workouts and training to run on half marathon. But the show part of, if you've ever done pre-contest, you know, like what is, what's a typical pre-contest, 16 to 12 weeks, 12 weeks usually, is that right? So 12 weeks, aside from maybe the first three or four weeks after that, you're gonna, you're gonna try training for half marathon during that period of time. That's silly. You can barely get through your workout, especially by the time it's like four weeks out. It's a terrible idea. It hurts my head to think about this. Yeah, it's a terrible idea. I mean, you're far better off doing one than the other. Yeah, that's all. And I think that's, I think that's a great idea, you know, focus on being a bodybuilder. Then reverse diet, get healthy. Yeah, and then reverse diet, build your metabolism back up and then go train for your marathon afterwards. And then at the end of the year, you're, I bet you'll look back and have seen like, oh man, I got lots of benefits from both of these, but to do them at the same time is just be silly. It doesn't make any sense. Next question is from Mama Tamase. Which is better for you, whole or low fat milk? All right, so whole milk. So long, yeah, so long as calories are not in the conversation here. In other words, if the whole milk is making you overeat, then we can make the argument that low fat would be better. But let's just say that, calorically, you know, chloro can take as good, everything else is fine, all things being considered so we can make a direct comparison. Whole milk is healthier. In fact, I believe, and maybe Doug can confirm this, that non-fat milk was connected to bone fractures, to bone fractures. And you might be thinking, how is that possible? Because milk is supposed to be good for your bones. Well, the vitamin D that is in whole milk or that is in milk is fat soluble. So if you drink low fat or non-fat milk, you're not absorbing the fat soluble vitamins that are essential to help strengthen and build bone. Whole milk has all the essential nutrients, fats, proteins, it has some carbohydrates. It's balanced. You can now absorb your fat soluble vitamins. It's the way that milk comes as a package. So low fat, by the way, low fat and non-fat milk is a relic of the fat is bad for you era. Aren't you gonna get more of the lactose than low fat as well as you remove a lot of the fat nutrient side of whole milk? It's the same. It's just now. Well, it's the same, but now that's more highlighted. It's now just sugar protein in there. But yeah, what did that say? Low milk intake, oh, it's low milk, not low fat. I'm sorry. Look up non-fat milk and... Bone fractures. Yeah, bone fractures. But yeah, this is a relic of the fat scare craze of the 80s and 90s. That's when, you know, before that, nobody had non-fat milk. In the 60s, 70s, what the hell about that? I'm trying to think of a situation with a whole food where you extract something out of it and it's ever superior than in its natural state. Is there an example of that? You just talked about the eggs the other day and how now more stuff has come out that the whole egg is... As long as it's the edible parts, right? Right, so where is it where we have found taking a whole food, taking something away from it is superior to it in its whole state? That's a good point. I don't think there's... We're trying to make some kind of pharmaceutical out of it. No, not that. Not condensing it and then turning it into a drug or doing another, like, where is it nutritionally healthier for you ever? I don't think there's, I can't, personally off the top of my head, I cannot think of a situation where you take a whole food and extract something from it. Let's think of some examples. Whole eggs versus egg whites. By the way, that's also a relic of the fat, you know, is bad for your era, right? Whole eggs better for muscle protein synthesis, builds more muscle, burns more body fat when calories are controlled for. It's got brain healthy nutrients. It's got folate in it and other nutrients that are essential for brain health. So egg whites, when all things are controlled for are less healthy than whole eggs. Let's look at fruit. You could take fruit with its fiber and its skin and its seeds and all that and you can extract just the juice. Now you have natural soda, essentially. You just have sugar water, but whole fruit doesn't have nearly the potential negative effects of fruit juice. Well, when you say like a wheat or something because you have to process it down in order to make it digestible. That's a good point. But yeah, that's a very good point. There are certain plants that, in order to be able to consume them, we have to like. You have to strip it all the way down to like. Yeah, that's a good point. It's like carrying though like a tree to like the fruit it bears and saying like, yeah, you probably shouldn't eat the roots in the trunk. It's not going to be very, just the fruit for it. So I don't think that's even an example of that. Like I can't think of a whole food where we extract something from it or take something like off of it and then it's healthier. I'm telling you for all of the history, for all of history when we consumed milk up until this baloney hypothesis that it was fat that was causing these heart attacks that were starting to appear up until the seven countries study which was highly messed up and it was fake. It really didn't prove anything because it took out the countries that didn't fit that model. Up until that point, nobody drank anything other than whole milk. Then all of a sudden fat became the enemy and there was a market for the dairy industry acted, right? Oh my God, everybody's even scared of dairy because of the fat content. How do we continue to sell milk? Oh, low fat and non-fat milk. When we were kids and you went to your friend's house and you had a bowl of cereal, nine out of 10 times it was low fat or non-fat milk. Nine out of 10 times. My house was the only one that had whole milk. Why? Because we thought it was disgusting. My parents were like, who's gonna drink this water? Let's have some whole milk. But that's really where it comes from. So as long as your calories are controlled and you're drinking milk, whole, don't go non-fat or low fat. It's a waste of time. Look, if you like mind pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So you can find Justin at Mind Pump Justin on Instagram. You can find Adam on Instagram at Mind Pump Adam. And you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. Today we're gonna teach you everything you need to know to build a strong, well-developed chest. When I think of weak points and areas that I struggled with developing for a really long time, my chest was up there with the work. Yeah, it was for me for sure. I got more caught up in the weight I could lift versus how I was developing my body. I think it's one of the most challenging muscles to develop for most people because the form and technique.