 But essentially, the process which you have got the paperwork to become available for the next round of funding, it can help us to federally own land application process. And we fare historically as we're the largest federal landowner in the state, and one of the only federal landowners in the state with the infrastructure allows for probably three months or fours or a round of five. So it's the FLAP which is federal land access program through federal highway. And it's a, I think it's either 20 or 25 percent, 75 to 80 percent. I don't remember the exact number. So the town has come up with the other 20, 25 percent. But it doesn't have to be, it doesn't have to be cash. So you can use things like, so we can provide inspection services. We can provide one of our engineers to be on site during the construction. And we count our time. Yeah, quite a few years. We can work it down, getting some, you know, some ballpark figures, whether it's, you know, in the church, it was a round number. They had 450,000 is what the grant was for. And that's the construction was under that. So it, you know, yeah, I think we can, you know, or if, you know, if folks have somebody on before August 30th, and we can plug that number. And there's usually, you know, they'll have a lot of data from similar types of structure in the towns that they've worked on. They can provide you a pretty good estimate on that. It's up to us under the first term to design a grant for higher-grant engineer and how it works on your phone. I'm ordinarily, I'd say, sure, we can jump on it. But, you know, what else is going on in town? That's the thing that's going to mind the most is how we're actually going to be able to manage that along with anything else. And we can provide provide those numbers to your, you know, cooler-sized bridges. But we'll have to put them in our process to find the needs to get an engineer. Yeah. So the thing with, it's not an every-year thing. So the rounds of funding come up sort of sporadically. Like the last one was two or three years ago. So this is a few pat, you know, if you say, oh, you know, it's too much, we can't take it on. We can't take it on right now. It might not come around again for a couple of three more years. So just, just, you know, I understand the situation here. I just want to put that out on the table. It's not like we'll be back here again next year with the same opportunity. So that is crucial to the Robinson Project as well? Yeah, I mean, it's crucial to the Robinson Project as well. You know, there could be an alternative solution, temporary solution to a truck all wood. Because it really becomes the contractor's responsibility at that point. We sell wood and then they have to figure out how to get it out. So they affect the bid price for the wood, you know, because I would come against the receipts that we would get for the logs. It's to your advantage as well. Yeah. That's the full form of the project as well as the prices. Right. Yeah. No, it is a win-win. And do you know what you would need for how many tons this brick would need? So it would fall a state standard. Because of town over, you guys have to follow the state standard. It should be HL93, which is moving even 90,000 pounds. 90,000 pounds. So we can get out there and survey it before the winter. There's still super seats for all of us. It's an existing structure replacing it in the same location without too much river alteration. He's probably, I wouldn't see Sharon putting up a red flag, although that would certainly be his call, but that would be pretty straightforward. But if it comes down in turn tomorrow, we're going to be changing the size of the two. To the approach. Yeah. Because of the trucks that are going to be going up. Oh man, most of these are moving. Yeah, they're moving. That's the time to do it. Coming down the hill in turn. No, that's what you were doing. You put it back and down there when you're going like that. You're going like this. Yeah. So you get in the right of the way of the processing. That's probably the private. We're siding. Coming down the east side is us. The west side is private. They're probably re-aligned to the west side. You have to line the east side to the west. The east side of the things up the corner. Is there a quarter service below Welch's camp? Up hill of that. Up hill. So the little camper camp there at the end to cross that river cross is right there. That's four service there. Yeah. Yeah. On north side. I don't know where we're going. The east side is four service. It would be sure. But that's what I think. I thought that was crazy. It would be worth the hassle to get the right way. Or a quarter of an hour at night. The right side approaching the bridge would go on. That's what we get there too. Even if we have a week as a customer. The whole road back to the bank. Yeah. That's definitely something that you can put in your scope and your engineer to have that. If it's your luck, that's the only good thing. It's a problem. We're open process and get the road right away. We have justice. Go ahead and start filling that application out. We can help as much as needed. It should be good to you. Yeah. We appreciate that. You got any more questions. My next question for you. West Hill means to be fit. I don't care. It's far up there. So you're just looking at a place to dump the ditches. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. When we get back to the obvious spot up there. When we get back down there. Perfect. There's that little landing. Before you get to the third infant cemetery, go uphill. It's on the right. Without a sign at the end of it, it works. Just above the cemetery. Just above the cemetery. Yeah. It's up there. Yeah. It's flat right there. Yeah. It's big. It is big. Yeah. Aside from the mountain roads, that was the big patch hanging over our heads. Now we're dealing with that. This was the second one in line that we knew sooner or later we were going to have to address this bridge. So it's all done. Yeah. We're on the road. When we leave here, it's bright. I haven't seen it yet. I've seen it. We can be on to you with another people. Regular meeting starts at in half an hour at 6.15. 6.15. All right. Very good. We've sat here until we can leave the next meeting in a little bit. We have to study the plan. We've also switched. Where was you? Where are you? I didn't say that. Okay. Hang on. Just mention. I'm sorry it's a cancel. So he was an engineer, if I can't get him to do much here. It's another edition of the Rochester Select Board meetings here and first I'd like to verify that we're properly in the open meeting log conformity by being posted in free public places and on the website and emailed to interested parties so we can go ahead and have this meeting and does anyone have any additions to the agenda at this time? Yes, I'd like to, before you approve the minutes, I have some positive feedback about the minutes that are set to be approved, and I'd like to do that before they approve the little minutes. And Marvin? Yeah, I would like to speak on the regulations, please. On the regulations? Regulations of displays. Okay. Of a flag display. We've got the constables, I mean the sheriff on the agenda. Oh yes, okay, yeah, yeah. And Frank, do you have something you want to add? Yeah, I'm sorry, I probably don't have anything to add. No, you just got time. I thought I had talked to Julius about duties and regulations of the road commissioner. Oh man. Duties and regulations of the road foreman. And I wanted to have an item board of civil authority as well. Progress Street, but maybe answered by John and the sheriff's department. I talked with Mike Chamberlain from the Winter County Sheriff Department that we have been working on a contract to hire them to provide at this point a couple of shifts of coverage in the town here. I'm sorry, I got Mike Chamberlain, but I didn't get the other chamberlain. Claude, what's your last name? Claude. W-E-Y-A-N-Y. And what's your first name? Claude. L-W-E-Y-A-N-Y. Claude. W-E-Y-A-N-Y. It's trying to talk loud enough that Martha can hear me over the camera. The thing is, the fans really know how to get attention. It's hard to hear what they are listening to. I don't want to make anybody sweat. I just can't hear what they are talking about. Oh, I'll take a shot. It's trying to be considerate. So we've got a contract here that we've had reviewed by our town attorney and we've fine tuned it and all parties agree it seems to represent both of our interests and we're excited to invite you guys into town to, you know, give us some coverage. And I guess, does anyone have any questions or concerns? How quick can they start? How quick can they start? Well, we asked if they could possibly have a shift around the 4th of July parade, which Terry had expressed it would be nice to have a little bit of traffic control around that. And actually, the parade starts at 11? 11. So is that a... That was going to be the first question. That was going to be the first question. I might change one on the share for Windsor County for those of you that may not know me, kind of grew up around this area. So, you know, quite a few of the people, quite a few of the people in the room actually. But anyways, we're scheduled to start July 1st, a week from today. One of the things that Dune had asked us would we be available and could we take one of our shifts to be here on the 4th of July? Yes, we will. My question to you for the captain who does all the scheduling and everything for our department personnel is, what time would you like us here and who do we report to? Who would you want us to meet with and where do you want us to go? In terms of coordinating for the parade, I would say... I'm working that shift that day, Sheriff. Okay, well then, there's a man to talk to, I guess, about... I have a firehound, but we'll probably eat like 10 because we're going to get ready. So if I'm not there, you can stop them by the cemetery and I'll be there. Terry, I'm the parade chairman. Terry was going to... Terry, as I understand it, you've always done below town and in the past, Mark Boyle did above town. So would that be what they'd be doing? Correct, above town is the worst one. People are really quite interested that you know. So coming into the... Probably by the bank, being beyond our frequency. And then you know they said 9.30, that's good. Sure. Excuse me. So anyways, Claude will be here for... Have you picked another day? Actually, Monday. Monday, okay. Well, we're scheduled to be here Monday. Now, the thing... Our schedule can change. This is a flex schedule that we have. Basically, what we try to do is when I hire people to come work for us to give them a full-time job, to be able to give them a salary, their full-time benefits and everything that they have. What we try to do is put together several towns. It may work Rochester for a four-hour shift here. Then go back. If it works, it might go to Barnard, it might go to Sharon. We could get down to Cavendish, Plymouth, Bridgewater. Rochester will be our seventh town that we have in our schedule. So basically, the way it works, we do try to piggyback with a town that's close by if it works. If it doesn't, it just doesn't, that's all. But that's the way that we're structured and designed to try to put together a workable timeframe. In talking with the board, a couple of the main concerns that I understand of Rochester is one of them is the speeding problem on Brook Street and out here in this area here in the main area. I guess it's 30, it runs through town. And the board has asked us to kind of concentrate mostly in these two areas as much as possible. We try to not, again, not sure just how many what they call calls for service would be a call. Somebody calls and say, hey, there's a bad domestic going on up at such and such a number on Brook Street. Yeah, we're going to respond. We have to. We don't want to because pass it off to have the state police or somebody come in. Sometimes they're just so far away, it's hard for them to respond. They're here already. So we try to pick and choose as much as we can. But again, all of you folks are taxpayers for the town of Rochester. Whatever your complaint is, it might be minor, a minor complaint, but it's important to you. Some of the other people say, well, I don't know why you're wasting your time doing that. We get all sorts of calls, calls to do VIN verification. Marvin might calling, you know, say, Mike, when's the next step at the end? Oh, he's coming around. Could you stop by my place? I just bought a vehicle. I need to get it registered. We want to do that. That's part of what we do. But here we're here to try to provide the best level of service at law enforcement services you can to the town of Rochester. We're not going to be here a lot. We're here twice a week to start off with. Basically see how the budget goes and what Rochester has for funds. And at some point, maybe another year, you might consider to add another shift. What we're trying to do, I think, is they're trying to figure out are we the best agency to provide the level of service for the time being. Maybe and, you know, and I can tell you that, you know, policing is going to be more and more difficult as we go along. Because of the need. Little small towns have to have some sort of service. State police love it when we go into some of these small towns because a lot of times they're just spread so thin they got 22 towns to take care of in their patrol district. And that runs, I think, all the way from Brookfield down to Plymouth, Redding and across that area. So they've got a big area. So again, what we try to do is we try to work with each other as much as we can. If I need them or my officers need them, they'll call. They'll respond for backup. They would expect the same from us. So the main thing is we don't want anybody to get hurt. I don't want the taxpayers to get hurt. I don't want my people to get hurt. I'm always trying to look to see how to protect each other. Yes. So you'd be here two days a week? We'll be here twice a week, four hours each time. But if you're not responding simply to speeding, you would be responding, for example, as you said, to domestic violence or... Any sort of call. Whatever the call is, if it's a domestic violence, you know, the thing is if somebody got broken into... Yeah. Right. Here's a good example. I don't know. You left for a couple days. You came home. You found your witch had been broken into. Had a brand new power saw in there. We can take that. But again, do you folks want us spending that time? To you, it's important. But sometimes people say, well, that's something that happened weeks ago. You know, maybe you should call the state police. My feeling is if we're here, let us go ahead and try to do the best we can with it. We'll take the initial call, the call for service. And, you know, we can only do the best we can, you know, because you can put a lot of effort and expense in taking calls for service. And then there's the follow-up. And again, we're not here 24-7. So what we're saying is, you know, in general, if there is an emergency, you're still calling 911, calling the state police. You know, we're not just because we have this arrangement with the sheriff. Right. Do a couple of shifts here. That doesn't mean that you take the responsibility. And the only way we're probably going to know is for you to call 911. State police will take a look at it. Hey, we got a bad domestic going on up the street. We got a bad accident down on south of the village. What happened? Whatever. So you would be in place of a constable? Yes. It's my understanding that there is no more costable system, right? Well, we'll still have a costable in title. We're required to have a call, but not a law enforcement training. And again, we only cover what we're hearing. We're not replacing anything that the state police do or have done in the past. If we're not here, then you'll want to call the state police because they're the ones that are going to have to respond anyways. All we're doing is trying to supplement, fill the gap to get us to come in and maybe get some of the areas that's not easy for the state police to do. And to have a presence here to keep right from going over the middle. Absolutely. And that's important today. The return effect and just visibility will be of great value to you folks here in Washington. And the nice thing is, as I spoke with the board, you could have us come once a week for four hours, but people tend to get to know, oh, sure, we're in town today. Today's Monday. Oh, we won't see them again for a week. But they see us today. They're not sure. When's the next day they're going to be back? Looking, somebody mentioned about speeding upon Brook Street. I just took a quick look up there. It seems like a lot of people have concern. I noticed tonight, I just took a quick write up because I know that was going to be one subject to the topic tonight was speeding on Brook Street. How far up is a problem go a long ways up? I rode up and I see these little tags on your speed limit, signs. How did those tags get there? The town put them on? Okay. Did you do it in compliance with the rules and regulations? Yeah. I mean, the official speed limit is still 30. Still 30. You put those up there just to try and slow things down. Because if anything's been defaced in any way, I can tell you right now, if somebody knows about that, they're going to challenge that ticket. All I'm doing is wasting the town's time and money to go and this gentleman here. I stopped him or bought it, whoever. He's doing, I don't know, it's now saying 20. It's normally what, 25? 30. 30. 30 on the bottom. 35 on the bottom. But anyways, whatever that, it could be a good speed. It could be going 40, 45 up through there. Coming down through. Thank you. But if somebody looks and you have not changed your ordinances in any way, then that puts us, and that puts us doing something that I don't want to do. Because we're issuing a ticket to somebody, to like when you do or anybody here or somebody outside. We want to be right up front, be honest about it. And we want to make sure when we're spending the town's nickel going to court, we don't want to go and then have the guy raise, you know, make some objection before the judge and the judge says, you can't do that. Help the girls. Let's go. I spent time and money from you folks. So again, please just aware to the wise. Take a look at your ordinances and make sure, and I'll need a copy of those by the way at some point for anything that's under the ordinance where, because again, I want to write the ticket for you folks, because you generate some of that income coming back to the town. Why do we want to give it to the state of remote? Right? Tell them I get some of that revenue back and the way the fines and everything are set up, normally the town gets a pretty good portion of that. Not to make, you know, we're well known I guess on the national website for Bridgewater. Bridgewaters had problems there for a year. You folks know what I'm talking about. We're hired specifically to come in and just do primarily street enforcement. We really don't want us doing much of anything else. Again, something life-threatening? Yeah, respond, but then everything else, we let another agency handle that. So anyways, we're well known to, and anybody going through Bridgewater, if they don't know enough to slow down by now, and a lot of times people forget. That's not hard to do. I even had to be careful myself, because I don't want to be embarrassed by the thought pulling me over, because I wasn't paying attention. So anyways, gentlemen in the back room. So the 25-mall an hour is not enforceable? The 25 is not enforceable? Exactly. I'm sorry. That's a question. Is the 25-mall an hour street posted on the street now not enforceable? What street are we talking about? Oh, absolutely. As long as there's some ordinance to back up. There's not an ordinance. In fact, the ordinance now says there's 35 on the back room. Okay, the sign itself? The sign itself is saying 25. Okay. Again, if you're going to make any changes, and to do it, make sure it's legal, so we're not wasting time. You know, just get a change in your ordinance. So if you clock someone going 50 miles an hour down Brook Street, and they're going well over the 35 posted, is that tickable? Will that hold up if the sign says 25? If the sign's been altered in any way, and he takes a picture and shows it to the judge. I'm not sure. Those signs coming down are not altered. Those are 25, but the guys, those are real 25 signs. I know. They haven't been altered. So what are you saying? They aren't altered because it hasn't been. I know, but they're not. It's hard to tell what's underneath it, because it looks like they've taken a plate, and what do you want to say? So the ordinance right now is from the bottom of Brook Street, that's where he hit the dirt road, 30 miles an hour, posted, and then it was 35 from there. To the money. I'll be glad to check with the court and with the traffic theorem, but sometimes things are a lot better. Not said, but again, not discussed, but again, if you're looking to meet, we want to make sure I don't get in trouble in the town of Rochester because of getting in trouble. And because the thing is, anybody here from the press? Okay, great. But anyways, and welcome to you. Hey, it is what it is. So all I'm saying is, we just want to make sure we're doing the right thing. You know, for everybody's sake. And I'm sure the board wants to do the same thing. If we're going to spend time in these areas, we want to be able to write a ticket and it's a good ticket, but nobody's going to tear that apart in front of court, because I can tell you, I've been doing this for about 50 years. People will go take a picture of that and regardless whether it's somebody that lives right here all the time in Rochester or just somebody passing through, it would be somebody from way out of state. They've come in with pictures and witnesses and stuff. You don't wear them going with this. So the speed bumps, you know that? You're getting into an area that I usually, we don't have that idea. Do we? What about how they legal? Is there a speed bump in the road? Not sure, to be honest with you. Oh, I will. Because what you're asking is, is it legal to have speed bumps in the speed zone? With the speed as high as it is, is there a speed bump that should be there in 15 or 20 minutes? Yeah, and again, you know, you're probably getting almost to an area where you should be probably talking with your talent attorney, and I hate to say this, but you're looking at liability issues, because if you cause somebody to have an accident now, you know, because you folks, how to put there by somebody having an accident. So my suggestion would be is to, at least with that one, check with the, you know, as far as the other one, you know, I don't have a problem talking to the court and seeing how they feel about what's been done and not so sure they're going to agree with that. Let's try this. I'll tell you why that was being done. Because the traffic was unreal. They're flying down the hill. There's more traffic than there is. I mean, it's not, I'm the first one on the dirt road. Bruce is the last one on the dirt road. And Dave Perry's in the middle. And I can tell you, they are flying when they go by my house and by the time they get up to Bruce's. Is this something that's, is this pattern changed over the years? Oh, it's changed over the last two months. Okay, that's what I was going to say. Is it because of the Bethel Mountain Road? When the Bethel Mountain Road's repaired and back to normal, you won't have that. It's because that's the only way. And maybe the tractor trailer, the tractor trailer that came down through on Wednesday noon, will go the other way and not come down Brook Street and meet the oil truck on the corner. We can take care of some of that. The 53 porters, probably they're not allowed up there. They're not allowed up there. Because they got to have a permit to get through anyways. They cannot go through Woodstock unless they get a permit and some of the other places. But anyways. But the 53 porters, that guy should know better. I expect what probably happened is GPS. You can put him on track and he didn't know enough to try to turn around or find a place so he can't, where's the gut? I don't know how he made the corner if I perfect it. That's kind of scary. Because again, we're here for the safety of you folks. I think it was the President. I think it was the President. Well, you know, yes, President, but also it's probably going to take a couple violations. Somebody getting tickets in it. Usually always happens where it's a taxpayer and then, you know, this rule will probably be packed at some point. What'd you do? You got the sheriffs in here and someone is getting tickets. But again, they know what the safety concerns are and they probably know what the speed of it is. I mean, this isn't not a shower group. But we have had constables who are in a shower and then other state police. I don't understand the showers. What do they do? What's our role? We do a little bit of everything. We provide the business transportation. We provide officers to the courts. We provide contract services like what we do here. See, we're not funded by the county. They're elected. I'm elected by the county. I'm the sheriff of Windsor County. But there's no funds that come with it from the county. Not one penny for law enforcement services. Okay? It's done through a contractual basis. That's how you see the sheriff's cars. There's not a line item budget from the county to buy that cruiser, the equipment in it. The deputy's uniform he is wearing or any of his equipment are all bought through what we do. Basically, our legislator have made the sheriffs a business. We're just like all of you folks who have your own business going on. That's how we survive. Without the contracts, I'd have to put in the shingles they've gone out of business. You're like an entrepreneur. Yes, we are. We really are. Because we don't have a budget for say because there is nothing from the county. What I hope is that we have enough contract to keep being able to pay the deputies and their salary and benefits pay for those groups. We're like a building contract. Construction done. Hopefully you've got enough road jobs and you can sell enough or you build enough houses this year to carry over if next year is a bad year. So it's always trying to look forward. And that's how we survive. I'm glad I select for a new to contact here. I'm sorry? I'm glad I select for a new to contact here. To provide services. You're glad they are? Yes, I am too. Again, we want to like I said, we want to try to provide the best service we can for the people of Rochester and be able to survive out into policing. If we don't change the ordinance to match the speed of it they're not going to have any teeth. Well, let me check on that friend. First call I'll make tomorrow is I will check on that and I'll get back to you. And I'm doing them. I expect to check with their attorney as to about the speed bump. Because I don't think that that's something I know the court is not going to respond to that unless somebody brings it before the court. But I would say that the most important part of that is liability. It's putting speed bumps up. Are there warning signs and bumps ahead? And then you have speed limits so and so? Yes, all the way. So they could go 20, 25 over speed bumps. Because usually speed bumps, they just almost tore you out of the road and you're not careful. Right, we used to have road bumps on other sides and on other sides there was caution. We don't have another age to put another sign. I understand on your folks here. This is all because of being under construction and probably through the rest of the summer and into the fall. So this will evolve. What you probably don't have enough time to change your ordinance in any way. And the other thing is allowable through statute it's normally what? 30, 35 going up Brook Street? 30 on bottom? 30 on bottom? So 30 on the bottom and now they've got it at what? 20? 20, okay. Because again it all depends on where you originally started to speed and how far you came down with it. Because there's a certain regulations you have to comply with. It's not according to ordinance to change it. This was basically just to try and get some things down. To get people to slow down. Then it stopped working. Not really? Not on the dirt parts. The regional planning is the only one that can do a speed study and then establish a new speed limit. The town can accept as an ordinance. Okay. You probably don't worry about that than I would because we don't get into that part of it. But again it might not take a look at that just to see and it might be a quick easy way to get an ordinance put in place to get that down to 20. You are not sure? What is my personal opinion is that I would like the ordinance put in place and stay there. I'm not. I would like to do the effort to make the ordinance because I don't want this to jump back up to the speeds that were on the right of speed. That's my factors. If you're going to go into trouble making the ordinance that means you're going to have to un-ordinates. At some point it gets fixed. You're going to have to. So any other questions we'll share this time? I know you probably get a lot on your plate tonight so I don't want to take any more time necessary but it is a pleasure to come and talk to you. Thank you for taking the time to come and do this. I would like to make the motion to sign this contract and bring them on. Hi. You'd probably want a copy of this. If you could sign it tonight and make yourself a copy. I'll take the I can't sign it before you leave. It's just that we're getting close and we have to have an ordinance in place. Can I agree just your presence there might make a difference because there was a D&D police officer that sat in the driveway at the cottage which is below our house and 12 motorcycles came down the hill until they saw him and they pulled over and stopped and had a little chat with him. He didn't stop anybody else because he was looking for the trucks coming down. Of course the truck came down at that point but just him being there people were going slower. And you know at some point once we get an understanding of that particular area all it's going to take is a couple of tickets. Word is going to get around really fast and when they see a sheriff sitting there they're going to say that's going to send up a red flag oh jeez my friend John John he just got to take it for you but be careful. I happen to live on May 3 at 100. So I'm wondering would any of your time be spent at all on the 100 you live? I just happen to see a lot of people speeding through the village where the speed limit is 30. What about on 100 you live? I live right in the village where park houses the other house and I live across the street. We're hoping to take a look at this whole section and again and you know this is no secret but I can tell we do not rate a ticket unless it's at least 10 over the posted speed limit. That is just to give everybody just being try to be fair and again people start contesting them then it goes to the state's attorney's office. The state's attorney's office wants to try to tie up a lot of time for something that's going 10 and again let me ask your opinion do you think that's reasonable? Sure. The speed limit says 25 you don't write them until 36 they get caught at 36, 37 I get on two books but we're not going to write somebody at 29 you're going to fill them up with that great new book so there you have it it's your copy and we got it on here is this the original? That's the original okay thanks I'll take your inspection stickers and right now and again we don't want to come in and just start just we don't want to we don't want to set a bad example in any way for either us or the town we want to try to come in and try to do a good job and come up with a couple possibilities you know the square area here just be visible, let people go around and hopefully that will help but the car will be identified with the county's car just like that, it was right behind you you look right up that window I haven't been arrested on you yet okay yes, they're all mark cutters they're pretty identified okay alright, any questions? number, same here if you folks have a question you know, call me I'll be glad, if I can't answer I'll try to direct you to somebody that can and if you forget who I am and where I'm at, Marvin you folks they all know me okay, thank you very much you're welcome and again, probably in about a month I figured we'd give it a month back for a quick review does that seem reasonable? so we'll see you somebody will see somebody thanks again thanks Mike alright, so I kind of jumped them ahead on the agenda since they had the caravans here to be here but moving back to so we'll and Mason you had something to comment, you wanted to make sure me some weight Dax Fager in town and under the missing books of The Unproved Minutes it ends with without the conversation that I had with the board of which I felt that the board did make a pretty serious statement of how it wants to continue with the missing books it's kind of sorry that Michael left already because you have the opportunity to also share with him we don't know, so maybe they're stolen and so maybe it should be reported so I feel it's incomplete, here I'm just sharing my thoughts about The Unproved Minutes and also under the missing books if we go back to August 28th, 2017 and you could pull it up on a screen but we don't have one right here the second sentence makes reference to the chair seeing the records of 1938 so in this minutes that you're getting ready to approve that's opposite, so maybe in these minutes you should announce that those minutes were incorrect and that you want to correct them before you approve these why is all this important? our minutes are a critical way to understand our town governance and records if it's going to turn out that we telling people who come to go records in the basement we have to be transparent about what our situation is with this so that people understand it when they're coming into the vault to see these records so I think it's really important to make a solid statement of where we're at today with these missing books yes, what I heard was we don't know where they are equally appear than we find them well that is a statement that we should make public and it's not here so, thank you very much we'll continue searching it's incomplete it doesn't reflect the conversation we have and also it's 10 minutes long well it was going in circles that conversation well no, you made a statement made a statement that at this time we do not know where that book is and we consider it lost but if we find it just because we're saying that the book does not mean that we would not keep our eyes out for it and we're not saying that we're going to stop being aware of it and have a heightened curiosity about that book just like you just approved a contract you can make a motion that explains it so it's in the records so that the public understands where we're at with the missing books just did that I didn't see a motion made ask if the minutes are officially gone I stated that I hope not and we're continually searching that's not a motion no, that's not making a motion I'm reading the minutes that you're saying I understand yeah I had a conversation you made more details but when it comes down to it we're going to continue searching and it's not I don't know what more you're asking to say here I did not hear you say it continue searching what you're doing I just read it three times like our conversation at the last meeting said it how are you going to continue looking and where ever as you're looking for things that's the difference right there looking for things that you're going to look for you're going to wait until maybe it falls into your lap because they easily could have been stolen or shred how mysteriously missing their gun someone walked off with them we had a shredder here during that time period in 2017 I wasn't here I'm just saying that we need to be transparent about just a public announcement no I wasn't there 10 minutes were made in 1970 I was in Chicago records records are in the most important documents we can have for our town you have a right to come in here is that correct no we don't know they're not missing don't prove that they ever existed can you show me prove that those minutes existed at any point I don't think this town had minutes for a select board meeting in 1950 I was born in HBC5 you asked if I thought they were missing I don't know if they ever existed that should be the statement made by the select board I mean we have to run from here I don't know if those minutes ever existed my personal opinion because I have seen no proof that they ever existed it's highly unlikely that there weren't minutes but I have not seen proof that they ever existed no so I've moved to approve the minutes of the last meeting the second issue that I brought up you understood that you wanted to go and change the minutes from two years ago correct there's a statement that says you saw the records of 1938 and you approved those minutes so tonight you're going to say otherwise I think you should make a note in this minutes that you are changing your situation that you do not believe that they were correctly written in August August 2017 that's what the records are for if you're going to change the story you need to transparently say those minutes are incorrect and you want to move forward in five minutes well sorry I thought I was done I wasn't thinking we're open I know I wasn't hoping I knew you were done well I wish you I am happy to be done well guess what this board has agreed the final decision about the missing minutes was critical to our democracy if people want to start coming to this town buying property they know they need to know that that safe is safe that's what it's for yes sir are we talking about land records needs and stuff? we're talking about select board minutes so that has nothing to do with buying what? it sure can it sure can no it doesn't select board means that everything to do is counted safe from 1938 I told you I was born in 1955 and I'm standing Mark when you were born alright so Mark did it he proved thank you so anyhow do you want to go back I mean I'm just sharing with you a positive thing to do make sure that you understand the records that you already approved when you're getting ready to approve these these are the minutes of what happened at the last meeting I know were you making a statement to Harlan that said you never saw the record and in August of 28, 2017 second line it states you saw the records of 1938 records are not necessarily new and also stated that's what I need that's a good thing that's a good thing and make reference to August 28 because he made a mistake no it wasn't it's two years ago he said records it didn't say minutes he said records there are land records there are land records there is a book that we found that talks about the drawings but anyway can we go ahead and approve your minutes Harlan you had your hand up she said that she saw a book in the fall that stated in 1938 or 1939 that it had been talked about but nothing was done so I'm just wondering we don't have any records from 20 to 50 how did she see records that they must have disappeared since she looked at it I believe there's a book that we do have that is focused on the drawings select board minutes it's the book about roads and actions that have been taken about roads and that's the book that we have found when we do that I believe that's what she was referring to well that's the piece of information that I asked for we gave that we talked about that so I'm just kind of curious you didn't give me a copy you were referring to I saw the book and I went through it I didn't find anything that related to the hand can we move on in the minutes to Brook Street are you going to approve your minutes? we did in the moment I want to see what John said look just give you some of the things first on there's going to be a briefing tomorrow so they're getting the process underway I'll be attending the briefing I assume it's mostly just to tell us handle the paperwork this is FEMA by the time through and that's something that I'll verify tomorrow want to bid out so I hope to be able to get enough guidance to put together the bid package that works for FEMA it's all the buttons that we need to hit and then use that one for as many times as we need to get the work done an application to eTrans today which they will hold until federal highway administration actually issues the proclamation which is expected to happen sometime any day now but as soon as I have it I'll be able to submit a requisition to our FEMA so that we can start getting progress on our expenses so far and as the construction starts that as well and Chris Bump filled out the application and we've heard some of these numbers already but for this is just an estimate based on what we know today he's estimating we've heard this number before sorry 2.163 million dollars and then he's added the estimated cost for the upper part of the FEMA and that the number is 260 yeah John I'm sure that I wasn't listening carefully at the last time you made a presentation but what is the role of two rivers in the regional and eTrans is not involved with this project but either with FEMA or through eTrans but eTrans is the added in the same uses to work with the federal agencies in this case they're not so eTrans is not some mediating I'm still not understanding that they're just advisory or no they're more than that the highway departments the districts that you see the trucks that involve eTrans the towns in this valley do not deal directly with federal agencies the state agencies that do that so everything that happens goes through eTrans so eTrans is contacting FEMA eTrans is not working with FEMA they're working with the federal highway the FEMA projects are managed through a different state agency and through rivers has one role none no official none that's why Joe is doing this is not me thank you good Joe do you still have these four contractors lined up that you're going to bid on this? no we had to withdraw that bid it was a little premature but we didn't know at the time we're still learning the process and what we learned is that first of all that first bid included a FEMA project as well as a couple of projects related to the Upper Bethel Mountain Road we have to be totally separate in processes and in addition the scope up there on Upper Bethel Mountain Road is changing at the time we did that we also didn't know that the projects on Upper Bethel Mountain Road could be combined and would be funded by federal highway but that's we've been told that would be the case so we just have to back up and do it again there's a whole more complicated bidding process but my question is are we going to be able to get a contract that's just like they are all well we sure hope so we're certainly we'll work that one out and that's one of the things they're doing is putting together a bid package which will be going out very soon and being reviewed by the folks that need to be transferred if they sign off on it it will be public so why not that's the two point it's probably going to start sometime in the mid-July that's well might be a little longer than that because the bids go out you have to obviously get people in time to get their bids together and submit them and then you review the bids for final approval and then the bids started right away so I think the it might be a separate bid I'm not clear on that except for the lower one that's going to go first do you feel you're having sufficient contract communication to be able to manage this one it seems very confusing it is confusing but we're all learning across we had a meeting that went out more right from the middle of the rainstorm we got to see it in action and so we had a good meeting with them but do you feel that the agency needs to be providing the funds they've been very helpful yes they've done this before so ok that's the bid package so that's pretty much it I'm Bethel Mountain World for the time being what happens every day a grant and aid program from the state the request for last year's project it was finished just recently for March 4th Road and that's what I need I'm going to review this I'm going to do something I lost a man and then I'm working on what we're going to do what we've talked about doing is bingo road it's sounding like maybe bingo is becoming a much bigger project than grant and aid ok that's good to know so that's the thing you need to sign there's two parts to that one because this year they're doing the equipment grant as well as the road project do a new sign I'm sorry I didn't hear what Jo was saying am I correct that you spoke about the grant and aid program from the state for projects in 2020 including such as the one in the bingo road area who are saying that he has a project with bingo road that he wants to get to do and this is the sign the question is whether you want to there's still going to be people coming over Bethel Mountain Road and there's still going to be some of those people who come to the TNR section and you don't know what to do and you want to do some kind of signage which gives people some information so they know how to get without going down Brook Street how to get to 100 going north or south to catch a route 100 north or south follow the arrows and put up a few arrows two routes 100 two routes 100 whatever so I'm still trying to figure out if you actually want to do that and so what I can do is facilitate getting that done may somewhat help what happens on Brook Street but it also I guess there's been a lot of complaints we've gotten some complaints in the town on this people stopping once they get down here and say you know e-trans e-trans they go by a road close side so I hope you will listen to that we'll follow people onto North Hollow Road and move North Hollow Road onto Fort Hill Road and they will circumvent town all together and then put up the road so that's it's a bound about way we have to keep them on a class two road we can't put them on a class I don't care what you do, you're not going to change the people. They can't fix stupid. I watched a record do it. The other day I saw signs and went down there and had to turn around and come back up. Oh I see them all the time. There was one at the Jersey Barrier during the night? Yeah, if you'll say so. My record was Caroline. There's 10, 15 people a day who drive past the barriers here and go up to the barricade. Turn around, drive back down. That's just the top of the hall. Put part of clothes in there. Exactly. Every part of clothes. I don't care how many signs you put up. I don't even know what it is. It's just what it is, I guess. Whenever you decide that you're going to lay with it, it's up to you. A lesser class wrote it. But if we're just doing directional signs, say to relevant members, they're not calling it a detour. Do we have that prescription about not being able to put people onto a small road? Because I think it's absurd to send them up on Upper Hollow and all the way around to Court Road. That's a long way down. They go down. They at least need to know that to turn right, they can't go through the barricades and continue on if they don't want to turn around and go back the way they came. And you could have an arrow at the top of Brook Street and an arrow at the top of Markbrook Road. Same, you know, just around 100. I mean, if you want to not have one on Brook Street and follow more on to Markbrook Road, we could be upset. I think that would probably be a good idea if you do that at all. I guess I guess we need to see if we can legally do that if it's not a detour. No, we can't make a detour if that does that. We don't want to add traffic to Markbrook Road. We've got a whole apartment and grass right now. And they're being good enough to use Markbrook Road, not that Brook Street. So let's not add more traffic with trucks. They've got to go up there. No, I agree. I just said they're going to be up there having to go somewhere. So we need to help them out or if you don't say to get off. Yeah, that accident was stopped because of drinking. No, she had not been drinking. But she was going into the hollows. She was not trying to get to the village. She was going into the hollows. But they're going to be out there doing the same thing. And that whole bunch of signs there. Where are you going to stop? I saw one problem right here in the county. I watched him drive right up around here. He never saw one of those signs. You didn't see any signs? Didn't the barricades? They're not down in Brook Street. They're not to this. Yeah, one more thing in this last storm. We signed a letter of interest with what's called the emergency watershed protection program, which is operated by NRCS. And I've been putting together a list of landowners who I know of. It's actually not an arrangement made with the landlock. I've been in touch with a fellow from that RCS who wants to come at some point soon into your residential survey. There's a lot of new landowners who do things like that. Just drive around and get a general feel for the kind of damage and where it is in town. So I want to let you know that what's happening, I don't have a date for it there. Okay. And I wouldn't mind running through the names that I have in case there's anyone I might have missed who may not have damage. Because they're running something that I'm talking about all over. Well, it's just the name of the program. It's an emergency water cannon. Protection. Protection program. PWP. And what they do is financial assistance to homeowners who have damage. Well, on two municipalities as well. But I think we're pretty well taken care of in other ways. So, on 100 I have Dean Mantis's. Mostly I don't know people's first names. So I'll just say no last names. Bushnell. Sterling. Ethan Bowen. We know about Billings. McIntosh. McIntosh Poon. And Boyd. And then also Boyd on Wing Thunder. You know, we think Lloyd too. I have Lloyd. Lloyd's on here. Twice. Catherine Shanklin. Oh, Shanklin, yes. Right. Sorry about that. She's on Bethel Mountain Road. Yeah. And there are... I don't know if Dean Larry would be there too. Dean Larry? Larry. Larry. L-A-R-1. Dean Larry. And what goes... Let's make go ahead. Okay. Welcome to the room. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning.acak. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not, yeah. He is. He's not. It's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. That's what it is. And there's a lot of... Sorry, there was someone told me on Bethel Mountain. No. That was the base of... The base of, uh, Brookst trade. Did you get Jim Lola? No. Lola? And there's no. The intersection... Francis... I had this stuff. I mentioned it. That's it. Just down the road. What's in your hand? From, um, from, um, McIntosh and Queen. Don Barrio. Thank you very much. Before you get on you from Brook Street. Yes. I don't know what you said before about Brook Street. I don't have much, but just thank you for the speed bumps. I hate them, but they're doing the trick. Well, that's all that matters. Their traffic is definitely slower except for the occasional wing knot who still comes ripping down the street. It gives me joy to hear the suspension rattle around when they go over the speed bump. At 2.30 in the morning. I appreciate that. I don't know who got the sign at the entrance of town, but I just saw it this afternoon. It says no through traffic. There's one cemetery too. So that's great stuff. Thank you for that. I appreciate the efforts that you're making. Um, is that the culvert that exists? It's just in front of my house. That moved down to my house. It leaves the culvert because some of the road is bugging with the road now. It's cold, so it's not passing much water. Water's just sheeting across the road. I know you guys are busy, but just give me a heads up. I'm sure you've tried it before. That was, uh, Larry. Culvert's open, but the ditch is closed. Uh, while we're up, we have a request for to replace the sign for, um, um, um, Oakblood Road. The one that goes on to Fisk Road. Um, that one is, um, I guess, been missing for a while. And then Falk has enough events at his place there that people end up getting confused about, so we could add that to the list of signs. I just have two more little findings on the first thing. There's a brush on the upper side and the lower side that if that was cut, it might be a little more visible coming down. Because I came down here this morning and I'm over on the right hand side as far as I can go. Yesterday, yesterday, yeah, yesterday, my daughter's going up the hill and a car's coming down on her side of the road because it couldn't see her on the corner. She laid on the horn and that's when they knew she was bad. That was a pretty stupid event, but there's a brush when I was coming down this morning because if you're coming down, you can't see down Brook Street. It's right on that curve. And another thing I'd like to see is I'd still like to see a sign over here by the Huntington house that says no access to Bethel or I-89. They're funneling right up. I don't think the signs on either end have gone up to hell. And they've given the sign boards a few things to see them everywhere. Yes. They've got the Huntington house sign. That's buried for a month. I know. It's kind of like a teapot from going that way. They don't dare. Cooner, did you have anything else you wanted to add? Yeah. We don't have anything going on. Bingo, you know. We'll slide up there. We're nearly there. It needs to be replaced. It is not going to be funded by the federal government. People. It wasn't damaged. It wasn't damaged. It's undersized. It's outlasted. They're going to fund the Armored Bank. But when they do that, we should hire them to put in an encumber. It needs to be bigger. I think it's a 32 inch and now I've got a study showing that it could be a 48 inch. It's on its way above your head. It should be a 48 inch. It's a 20 inch. It'll suddenly be long. Cheaper to do now. It's made for Venice. It's from Washington next time. I've got a question about putting in the culvert on the back of the mountain road. Is the road going to be open? Is it going to be an institutional culvert? Or is it going to have to be closed? Periodically when you're putting in the culvert on the back of the road. The signs say the road is closed now. I guess it would be closed. I thought that I had done up higher on the mountain. I am. But the entire mountain road is closed. There will be flaggers during construction up there. Because what what are their requirements? There's traffic up there used to be it's allowed to continue. So there will be flaggers because there will be times when one lane will be closed. There may be times when they close it all together. When you close the entire thing. There's not going to be a whole lot of time. I was going to put that culvert on the back of the road. Three quarters of the time is when we're half the time. It's the road that you try to leave the lane at. And you get a lot better quality ground. It's possible to sign again. It's going to be absolutely closed. Now I know now it's too traffic. It's closed too traffic. So what about the absolute of putting that culvert on? And I agree with this. Can you have a sign and where are we going to put it? That's going to be after the comeback. I'm sick of putting on songs that nobody reads. I don't like this morning. When I close up the contractor that's their problem. I got enough problems. You can't do that. You get sued. Yeah. And which I have. That's all I have because I brought it out. Well, Harle. There's something more important. Could we get something to pay for both the sign-up lists for people that don't want their properties closed? Well, I don't know if somebody forgot to mark their property. I know. I won't this year. Okay. So there is a sign-up list and maybe call them Julie way. What is that? More than a sign-up list. Okay. I want to make sure I get this word correctly. So there's an opt-out list for landers who do not want what? Roadside mowing. Roadside mowing down along their property. Correct. And so if they are someone who feels that way they call the general office. Correct. And is there a date they should do this time? Not yet. I'll just say come off as soon as possible. No. I wouldn't do it any time. You might as well be on the rest. Yeah. Before winter. I'll do it on a week. At five o'clock I think there will be a generous posting. When we do a change on the school. Traditional money from Mascoma Bank in anticipation of grant receipts from April Storm. And that's basically giving us a little more elbow room on that. Yeah. Assessives, FEMA and grant money. So, in anticipation of receipts for flood damage they'll extend our line of credit. So receipts for flood damage were in anticipation of receiving grant receipts. Yeah. That business, grant talk together. Sure. Well, as the Fourth of July comes around the loyalty part of me kind of kicks out but anyway with the idea that sitting on this side of the table I have observed that our flags are not properly displayed behind you all. I used to sit there and so forth. And so I would like to action on this because this is a download. Anybody can get it. Erkan Flags will be in a series of other flags. And a little bit to the right. And you're going to put yourself in the place of the flag and look behind you and you'll see that it's not correct. And I believe that the one flag was added a few years ago. Was that right, Walt? Both flags were added. Okay. And they left the American flag in the middle. At that time it's going to take care of it right now. Is that the action of the board? It's the chairman did it. It must be the action. Thank you. Thank you. Talk. Thank you. This is for bone builders to take note of as well. What? The bone builder ladies. It gets to wall. They shouldn't have to move around too much. We'll make sure it stays right. Thank you. You're welcome. Yes. Frank. You're on the agenda here. The duties and responsibilities of the road commissioner and also duties and responsibilities of the road foreman. Right. So I understand you've got a copy of the duties. I'm just filled with admiration for having Harvey coming to my house even with his two kids watching in a four or five or whatever. He put it in my hand and said here. And so in fairness with that I just want you to know that the state of Vermont is aware that the town highways need supervision and control and it is given that that's to control to the select men of the town. And then underneath that there's the duties of the select men pertaining to the road. It's all 22. But I said to Patty this is about select this is about road commissioner. And then I don't know whether she pointed my attention to it. Under 16 it says the town electorate roadside wise under the provisions of 17 VSA section 2646 the select what has the authority to appoint a road commissioner or remove him or her from office pursuant to 17 VSA section road commissioner elected or appointed shall have only the powers and authorities regarding highways granted to them by the select so am I to assume that everything that has to do with highways has been granted to you basically but we do work as a board together I'm an I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a have can be this I'm I'm kind of wondering whether but I was pleased that the state of a modifications how do these for the road specific about that stuff, but honestly we're really blessed to have a road foreman that is very capable. Yeah, I was going to get to that. Because really he's the guy on the ground that is in touch with the road. So, I mean, I know what this says that it's, you know, it's giving you all these responsibilities, but they are diffused among the other board members and make big decisions together around it. But it's not something that needs, you know, I'm kind of wondering whether, I mean, we have this town that's so diverse. You know, I'm talking about where I am and it's distracting this way, but it doesn't mean thinking about sectioning that off in some way. Where somebody would have, where one of the selected persons might have responsibility for. No, Porter doesn't want to have to answer to multiple people. Yeah. But I was pleased to see this and pleased that Patty took the effort to bring it to me. She said also that there are duties and responsibilities for the road foreman too. And that you were going to be providing those to me. Yes, and we have that on our desk here. We have a description, but. I'm sorry. I'm not a personnel. I'm not a personnel duties. So, we have a program, a draft, and we're taking, according to Cooter, the S2 exceptions. So, this is a draft. You're welcome to this copy. But there are two exceptions that I will be changing. Yeah. For a good request. So why don't you make the exceptions and then get them to do that. Okay. Thank you. Perfect. No, I understood that you were the point question. Job descriptions are changing as technology comes in. Just the evolution of performance. Yeah. And the fact that the whole legal lease of employing people has changed dramatically over the years. Yeah. Thank you for also providing this to me, Patty. I'm also noticing that in 2019, that what the state is asking the road commissioners like to provide is ever changing also. So, yeah. Thank you for that. It's very much helping on this too. That's it. Thank you. You're welcome.