 Mm-hmm. Is it about death? It is about a daughter of an immortal who is hidden as a lower-level fairy in the floral realm and given a pill to prevent her from ever falling in love so she won't experience the same pain as her mother who was the goddess of the floral realm but died in childbirth. Whoa! That's a heavy premise. It's a heavy premise and it's not all floral realm. There's a lot of floral realm in the setup but you also have the night immortal who manages putting up the stars. You have the emperor of heaven. You have the god of war. You have the demon realm. It's really interesting and I'm curious what Scott's going to think of this first episode because it reminds me of Warcraft a lot. That's why I wanted to watch it. Got it. Do we care about a little bit of breaking news? Oh, by the way, speaking of breaking news, I actually tweaked that TikTok story. You did. A tiny bit. I hope that doesn't throw you off. No, it's fine. I wanted to clarify something about it. They're actually not in a separate app. They're in a separate in-app experience. It's a tiny change. Got you. What's the news you're seeing? Just throw it into the sock. Gosh. I'm not seeing anything new on my feed. That's why. Well, it's not like crazy, but it is breaking for our purposes. Hey, broken egg. Keep me in suspense here, Lane. Come on. No, I'm sorry. I know what I'm doing here because I'm trying. Never mind. What is it? I'm so excited. Apple is laying off a bunch of people and they're driving self-driving cars. Okay. You're right. You described it exactly right. Apple self-driving car layoffs hit 190 employees in Santa Clara and Sunnyvale. That's worth a quick hit. I don't have anything to say about it. No, it's the same. It's not 40. Almost 200 people. That's a little significant, I would say. Wait a minute. Didn't we know about this coming? Wasn't there a rumor that they were going to do this or something? Sounds familiar. Well, you might be right. It doesn't ring a bell to me. Apple will lay off 190 employees. Apple will lay off 190 employees in Santa Clara and Sunnyvale. It's automotive division researching autonomous cars. That way I'm not just writing exactly what they wrote. Last words goes along with new detail. Last words disclosed in a letter this month to the California. You're washing the sausage, get made, everyone. Yeah, this is how you do it. Isn't it glitz and glamour? It's just really ringing a bell with me. It's not with me, but you're not wrong. Well, I'm wrong. Well, I mean, you're potentially wrong, but potentially also right. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's, oh, I see what you're saying. You want to be like in the latest development of this ongoing story. All right, hold on. I feel like, yeah, I feel like there was not an announcement, but like a previous, you know, Apple. Thank you. Let's see. I'm not finding anything, so I don't know why this is. Oh, yeah. Apple self-driving car. 9-5 Mac, January 23rd. Yeah. Yep. Okay. So, hmm, but are these an additional 200? That's the question. I don't think so. It's the exact same number. I think this is just confirmation. All right. Yeah. So let's, let's not do it. Yeah. There you go. That's, sometimes the sausage gets unmade. This is just the chronicle following up that the letter now confirms what CNBC reported. Yeah. Okay. All right. Then I'm going to find us a person to put in the intro. And be ready to roll. Oh, okay. That's not working. Be like Richard. Okay. Ready to record? Daily tech news show. Yeah. Let's do it. And three, two. Richard Lewis Shell has supported independent tech news directly for five years. Be like Richard. Become a DTNS member at patreon.com. This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday, February 27th, 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from Studio Feline, I'm Sarah Lane. And I'm the show's producer, Roger J. Scott Johnson could not be with us today. He sends his regrets, but there was a lot of hammering thinking in this house. He will be back though. Do not worry. We will have Scott back again next week. But we do have a lot of interesting things, including robots and court convictions and lawsuits and Indian elections. It's all coming up. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Speaking of India, Spotify launched in India on Android, iOS and the web with premium plans priced at 119 rupees, which is about US $100.67 per month. Free tier users in India can play any song on demand, while most countries limit the free tier to shuffle. So it's a little bit unique here. Some major artists like Ed Sheeran appear to be missing, as Spotify is negotiating distribution contracts, continuing to anyway, with Warner Brothers in India. Spotify faces competition from established music services from Apple, Google, Airtel, Wink and Geo7. I know it's hard to believe, but it's $1.67 US. I mean, wouldn't that be nice? No, that's 119 rupees, right? Yeah. Let's all VPN into Russia or into India. Russia is on my mind because a Russian court convicted Ruslan Stoyanov, an executive at Kaspersky Labs, of treason and sentenced him to 14 years in prison. He was convicted alongside a Russian intelligence official. The men were arrested back in 2016 in connection with a case about aiding the US FBI in 2016 during the FBI's investigation of election interference. Details of the court case have been classified. The US Federal Trade Commission, or FTC, will settle a case with cure encapsulations over accusations of making false claims about weight loss and paying a third party to post fake reviews on Amazon. The settlement will see cure encapsulations pay $50,000, inform Amazon which reviews were paid for, and email any customers who bought the pills with details of those FTC allegations. I don't want to laugh. I just, what a nightmare. It's the first time the FTC has cracked down on third party reviews, so it's a milestone. All right. Let's talk a little bit about wind power, actually. Alphabet's DeepMind has created a machine learning model that predicts the energy output up to 36 hours ahead of time in order to optimize the use of wind power. Now, there's a big problem with wind power because the generation of it is unpredictable and variable. You don't know when the wind is going to pick up. It's hard to predict, and if the power grid isn't ready for a big surge of wind power, it just gets wasted. So this could optimize wind power to the point that it becomes much more useful as an alternative energy source. So far, DeepMind has only tested the system on Google's own wind farms. Remember, DeepMind's Alphabet also owns Google. Google has some wind farms to power its data center, so that's a nice in-the-family way to test it. DeepMind also said something like, it increased the value of the wind power by 20%, but we don't really know what that means. They didn't give us details on that. So really, all that means is it worked real well. It'll be nice to see if they can make this machine learning available to others to test and implement in real-world electrical systems outside of the Alphabet family because this could really revolutionize wind power. Yeah, well, and especially when you think of wind power as being connected to the weather. We all sort of like, ha-ha-ha about the fact that meteorologists are only right half the time. If you know when wind is coming into a particular area of, you know, geographic area, that has a lot to say about the weather as well. Yeah, there could be some implications of that to weather prediction as well. That's a good point. Yeah. This is going to be a very interesting thing to watch as far as, especially if you're someone who's interested in alternative energy sources catching on and being more usable. There have been problems with solar and wind power that have kept them from really contributing in larger amounts to the power grid. And this could help change that, for sure. Well, sure, yeah. You know, you think of solar as like, well, if the sun isn't out, then it's not working. Not exactly true. But to be able to go back 36 hours ahead of time is extremely advantageous to any company who's trying to harness power like that. You basically can kind of look ahead and decide whether or not to keep any kind of spare capacity online so that you have to keep a base load of current in the system to keep it working. When you get a huge surge, that means you've got to take some stuff offline. It's very complicated and very time consuming. The more lead time you get, the better off you are. Yeah, for sure. Bytance's TikTok has been downloaded more than 240 million times in India alone, adding 30 million users in the last month, you might say, wow, that's quite an uptick. Why? Most think of TikTok as an app for teens to create videos and political-oriented posts in advance of Indian elections are actually getting tens of millions of views. So that's where these numbers are coming from, at least that's what it appears to be to us. Neither the BJP or Congress parties have officially joined TikTok. However, still the rising tide of political videos cannot compare with the 13 billion views for videos tagged Hollywood, hashtag Hollywood, and some state ministers are calling from regulation or bans on the app. So in a related story, in the US, TikTok has agreed to pay $5.7 million to the US Federal Trade Commission to settle accusations that musically, which was acquired by Bytance and merged into TikTok, you might not know, it's all the same company now, didn't get parental approval before signing up users younger than 13 years of age. Starting now, all TikTok users will need to verify their age, and if they're under 13, they will be directed to a separate app experience that prevents them from publishing videos to TikTok. Yeah, so if you're younger than 13, you have to get parental approval and you can just kind of watch stuff in a short version of this. I can't imagine that Bytance didn't know this was going to be a problem when they acquired musically. I imagine a lot of people are going to jump to the conclusion when they see the headlines that it was TikTok, the Bytance app that preceded musically that was in violation, and Bytance being a Chinese company could raise some eyebrows, but it was musically. It was not TikTok that is in violation, and Bytance has actually brought TikTok into compliance now with these changes. There's also some filtering that you can do with comments now that they're introducing today as well. But getting back to the first thing you mentioned, the idea of TikTok taking off in India in advance of the elections, I think it's caught the major political parties a little flat-footed. They didn't realize that this kid's app was going to start playing a serious part in the elections, and it sounds like some of the state officials in India are not happy about that and would like to just get it shut down. Well, and just goes to show you in a market with many millions of users where things kind of take off like wildfire. This is the sort of thing where before an election, somebody on those election people who are working with potential elected officials should kind of have their finger on the pulse of this. Well, and a lot of times we also talk about what's the next wave, right? What's after Twitter? What's after Facebook? What's after Snapchat? Well, looks like at least in India, it's TikTok. Because once it goes from being like, wow, there's a niche, especially younger people who use that, but the rest of us don't to, hey, it's having an effect on political campaigns. Exactly. It's graduated to real-life stuff. And I think it's interesting that Bite Dance is having to clean up its past in the United States at the same time. But yeah, keep an eye on TikTok, folks. If you hadn't already downloaded it and you're into keeping your finger on the pulse, as Sarah says, you might want to create an account. Samsung has begun mass producing a 512 gigabytes smartphone storage chip with embedded universal flash storage, or EUFS 3.0 spec. That chip can deliver sequential re-speed of 2100 megabytes per second and write speed of 410 megabytes per second. That's about double the speed of the UFS 2.1 chips that Samsung launched in January. Samsung plans to start manufacturing a terabyte model of this in the second half of the year. So these are going into mass production now. They're going to start showing up in devices. And if you're the kind of person who likes to know ahead of time, hey, is there going to be a model with a significantly better spec coming in smartphones? This is the kind of thing you watch for. You watch for the Snapdragon announcements. You watch for those 5G modem announcements like Qualcomm just made so that you know, okay, the good Qualcomm 5G modems aren't going to be coming into phones until 2020. So later this year, you're going to start seeing models with this faster Samsung flash memory, probably in a Samsung Galaxy Note. I wouldn't be too shocked. And Roger, I know you were talking in our pre-show meeting that this could have a significant performance upgrade for people. Especially, I mean, like, you know, if you're one of the fans of like, oh, I got an SD card slot in my phone, let me just add a ton of memory. One of the things you find out is UHFS isn't all that speedy compared to what you experience on the desktop. It's usable, but not in the way that you would use over the desktop. With EUFS, you are getting, you're now seeing speeds that rival what you would get from a desktop machine, a PC or laptop, and it could pave the way for basically having a smartphone be your primary computing device. And I mean computing device where it's beyond just email or just beyond web surfing. It's like, you know, like what they were showing off recently with whether it's productivity apps, Samsung, whether it's productivity apps or, you know, creative apps or anything like that. I mean, you can actually do it now that you've reduced the limitation on storage access for read and write. Yeah, we've solved the problem of connectivity to keyboards and monitors. That's not a big deal. Samsung has its decks. There are other ways to do it. So processor speed was sort of the next gate. That's catching up. You're starting to see some parity between processor speed on mobile devices and desktop devices, at least for, you know, just day-to-day use. And this is another brick in that wall. You're absolutely right. I don't think a lot of people realize how much slower your experience would be trying to use a phone as a desktop computer because of storage, right? It's not just the processor. It's also that read and write speed. Well, but it's, you know, okay. So mobile world Congress, you know, it fresh in our minds, you know, we're talking about foldable phones and hybrids and it's a smartphone. It's a tablet. It's sort of a laptop, you know, all of those things in the future end up being something that this is very advantageous for. Yeah, absolutely. Because you can actually use this as a primary device. It's not a secondary device. It's more powerful than most desktops that people have seen. Yeah, or at least a lot of them, for sure. Yeah. After a Tech French article exposed an issue Tuesday, Apple has removed multiple apps that violate rule 4.3 in the App Store guidelines. That rule says you cannot release the same app multiple times with different app names, different keywords, and different descriptions in an effort to keep selling the app that's the same app under multiple names. A Tech French report notes that VoIP apps specifically have been removed, but also notes that the rule applies to any categories using this App Store optimization strategy. JPEG Labs, that's a company, has four different apps that each let you print photos in Walgreens stores or CVS stores. If you're not familiar with those, there are common drugstores in the US which appear to be the same app. Mailpix, that's another company which acquired a photo buckets printing app, seems to be an example of having multiple apps in the App Store that do the exact same thing. Yeah, I can't tell if that JPEG Labs one is actually exactly the same app or if one of them only works at Walgreens, one of them only works at CVS. So there could be a branding reason there that would get by this, but most of the time companies will do this because it's like spam. If you have four apps with different names, then you're more likely to have more people stumble across your app as they search for various things because you have different descriptions with different names. So Apple says you can't do that. You're not allowed to have multiple apps that are exactly the same thing just to try to increase your search engine score. And because TechCrunch pointed out that, hey, a lot of people are doing this and it's apparently against your rules, it looks like Apple's starting to crack down on it. Yeah, I'd be interested to know what a company like JPEG Labs, which we're singling out even though it's for sure not the only company that raised some flags here, why would if you have to have an app to let people print photos within Walgreens or CVS, why would it have to be a completely different app name? Why would it be unclear that you were behind the app the entire time? Why would the keywords be completely different? If this is not nefarious, if the company was like, no, no, no, we were just following rules, say so. And I think that that's unclear to everybody at this point. Yeah, it looks like it's just a spamming technique. Again, except in the JPEG Labs one where I'm like, well, unless one of them is tied to a particular drugstore, I guess that could be an excuse, but otherwise there's really no other reason to do this. Right, even then though, it would be somewhat odd that the drugstore in question would say, well, you have to have a completely different app name. Well, because they have a system. Maybe they have a security issue that's like, no, the app will do the same thing, but it'll only log into our system. We don't want people to log into the competitor system on that app, but then it arguably isn't the same app, right? Yeah, exactly. The reviews came out of NDA today for ShadowGhost. It's a box you plug into your TV so you can take advantage of the $35 a month PC streaming service. Patrick Beja has talked about this before. If you're unfamiliar, Shadow's streaming service works on almost any device, tablets, phones, PCs, laptops, so you can just plug a computer or a tablet into a TV if you wanted, but it allows you to operate a remote gaming PC. You get a high-spec gaming PC that's super-performance, and then you can play games on it on any device. Now, a lot of people don't want to plug in a tablet or a PC into their TV, so for $140, you can buy the ShadowGhost and plug that into your TV instead, and it looks like a nice little set-top box. It's an upgrade over the ShadowBox, which Shadow had out previously. It adds in Wi-Fi. It's fanless, but it's a little quieter. Reviewers found it generally seems to work OK at 1080p and 60 frames per second, though the streaming is compressed. Colors get washed out. It looks a little bit different. It's not quite as sharp as you would get for yourself, and 4K on the Ghost for multiple reviewers gets notably choppy. Also, multiple reviewers noted that Wi-Fi seems to make lag problems worse on the ShadowGhost than it is on other devices that they've tried the Shadow Service. Some had Bluetooth connectivity issues with the Ghost, especially because you have to set up Bluetooth connections before you launch the remote machine when you're using the ShadowGhost particularly. So the reviews aren't terribly glowing for this. Whereas the reviews of Shadow as a service on the PCs generally are a lot more positive. Yeah, so this is... I mean, this is... It's a little outside my wheelhouse of the kind of content that I would be wanting to access. But I will say, with somebody who has her TV mounted into the wall, anything that requires me to plug anything into that television, even if it makes a lot of other things possible, is problematic. Well, that's a bad mounting, then. You should be able to plug it up. Plug anything you want into your TV. No, I mean, because I've run out of inputs. It's not that I don't have access to it. You need an HDMI hub, then, is what you need. I suppose so. But I gotta mount that, too. Well, and that's a good point, though. If you're like, hey, I already have a Roku and an Apple TV and something else plugged in here, I don't want to have to get an HDMI hub for this. It doesn't have anything else but access to Shadow, which gives you a Windows PC. You could use it to launch a browser. And that actually would... I would want that. But that's another one of the complaints about this is you have to have a keyboard and mouse to operate the Windows part of it, which isn't really, like, a lean-back experience. And a lot of people complain that it's very small. It's hard to see on the screen when you're trying to hit checkboxes Legendary Studios has signed a six-year deal with Norwegian video game developer Funcom to produce at least three new games based on the Frank Herbert's Dune IP. The games will target both PC and consoles with pre-production on an open-world multiplayer title, rumored to have already started. The original Dune game, released in 1992, was an RTS adventure game hybrid, followed by Dune 2. Then there was Dune 2000, a remake of Dune 2, Emperor. And then Battle for Dune, all RTS games, and Frank Herbert's Dune, an adventure game based on Sci-Fi's Dune mini-series. Holy crap. Roger, I know you're a Dune fan. What is up with this Dune resurgence if it ever went away in the first place? Well, there is an upcoming, I think, reboot or not redoing of Dune for the big screen. But also Dune, or at least Dune 2, was kind of one of the first modern RTS games to come out. So the whole concept of collecting resources, fighting your enemies, and managing all that on the screen, a lot of people cut their teeth. This is before Windows really took off as an OS that you would game on. So I think it was still, it was right at the beginning of Windows 95. But Dune is such a cult following that I'm surprised that no one's tried to redo this before. Now, I knew there were a couple of failed attempts to get this IP off the ground again, but I'm really excited. Funcom is a company that has done a number of games, mostly adventure games. So it would be very interesting to see how they do with this IP. If it's going to be like an RTS, it's going to be adventure games, it's going to be a little both, or as the rumors to some sort of open world online, you know, multiplayer game. It'll be interesting to see what they do. You're right. Ha! All right. Robots, I promised you robots. It's time to talk about robots. FedEx announced it will use short range delivery robots between its offices in Memphis as a trial towards wider use for FedEx delivery. These are the kind of robots you've been seeing from Star. I think DoorDash was using them. Like, this is going to be the way of the future. You're going to see these little coolers on wheels basically rolling around everywhere. FedEx says it's in talks with multiple retailers to use these once it gets out of the trial phase. AutoZone, Pizza Hut, you know, the obvious suspects to say, hey, if you're within 3 miles of a store and you'd like something delivered, they could use these little FedEx 7-day delivery bots. Meanwhile, Agility Robotics has unveiled a bipedal robot called Digit with four arms that have four degrees of freedom that it can use for balance pushing doors and lifting boxes up to 40 pounds. It has LiDAR sensors to help navigate its surroundings and a control system that helps it navigate cluttered rooms and stairs. In fact, that FedEx robot that I was just talking about was designed for FedEx by Dean Cayman, you know, the guy who developed the Segway and also the wheelchair that could climb stairs. The FedEx robots can go upstairs. So these robots are going to be going upstairs. This Agility Robot is according to Jonathan Hearst, Agility CTO when he was talking to IEEE Spectrum, aimed at delivery, telepresence, and entertainment among other sectors. And they're shipping. A lot of times we talk about robots in this show and it's like, oh, it's a prototype or oh, they hope to make these available. Agility Robotics is going to release pricing in mid-2019 with deliveries starting in Q1 2020. Well, so I say they're shipping. They're not shipping yet. They could miss these dates, but they intend to sell these to you. So now we're going to have bipedal robots for delivery, along with these little rolling coolers for delivery. The future of robotics is looking bright right now. And I think that, you know, a lot of us, myself included, I have some stairs that I have to walk up to get into my apartment every day and I'm like, could the robot come up my stairs? But I think delivery, telepresence, and entertainment is really important because delivery, like, okay, that would make sense if this was something that, you know, I had ordered that's going to be delivered and somehow the robot could get into my front gate and, you know, that sort of thing. But are we talking about movie theaters when we talk about entertainment? Like, what, you know, what, what's... Oh, no. When I hear entertainment, I think of theme parks. You know what, when I haul around two kids around Disneyland it'd be great to have a little robot to manage all my, like, like a roboticized courier that holds all my, like, my diaper bag, all the stuff I need to be in entertainment. That's not, that is a perfectly legitimate use of this agility robot. And maybe they'll, they'll, that's not what they mean by entertainment, though, is carrying your diapers at the theme park. What do they mean? Because I thought it was a little... When Roger said theme park, I started not in my head because, yeah, these are the kind of robots that would be in interactive entertainment situations, right? So at a theme park, instead of the robots being behind a screen and they're really animatronic and they do the same things every time, they could just be walking around with you, right? They could be doing all kinds of cool stuff and it would be an immersive environment. I feel like that's probably what they're talking about here is some sort of interactive entertainment theme park type. Unless, unless they do they do another Oceans 11 that revolves around using these as part of the heist. Yeah, I don't think they mean the robots will be in a movie though. They should, that's like prime material. And they will be. Like, that's just, I mean, that happens all the time. That wouldn't be news. That wouldn't be that interesting. And I'm pretty sure that's not much out of the nurse means. Telepathy is an interesting one, though. Where this robot becomes you in another place, in another meeting. If I could sorry, I could see telepresence being huge in any kind of hazardous industry. For example, if you're dealing with hazardous materials, chemicals, radioactive situations, you remotely being able to operate and say, hey, I need to take this radioactive material from here into into a safe, you know, let it sealed off location. That was one of the issues with Fukushima is they had no way of getting in to parts of the reactor that did require a person to physically be in there to manipulate the various controls. Yeah, and that's where that LiDAR system that can navigate cluttered rooms. I mean, a disaster area might be too much for it at this point, but that's the kind of thing you need it to be able to do is walk around stuff, you know, and move through stuff, not just roll over stuff. So. Well, and that's, yeah, I mean the implications of that are vast and very cool. I wanted to mention that in the FedEx article about FedEx's short range delivery robots, they would be able to go up to 10 miles per hour, which is not super fast, but on a sidewalk when I'm walking my dog sure that's like it's the sort of thing where you think like, okay, realistically, how often am I going to encounter these and how disruptive might it be to the strolling sidewalks that we're all doing. But saying they can go up to 10 miles per hour doesn't mean they'll always be going 10 miles per hour. That means that's their 10 miles per hour is kind of fast. No, but 10 miles per hour is like, that's the maximum they could ever achieve. Your car can go 120 miles an hour. You don't drive it at 120 miles an hour all the time, right? Well, okay. So maybe my question is how often are you going 10 miles per hour when you've got I assume not very often if FedEx doesn't want to get sued off their butts. Well. At least that's right. Well, we'll revisit this. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see, Tyler. Your naive assessment of FedEx is correct. No, you're probably right. They're probably not always going that fast. I'm just saying I've got a dog. He's afraid of scape words. This is the sort of thing that's like going to make my morning walks less fun. I look at this as like, oh, 10 miles an hour is the fastest to let this thing go. That's good. That means it'll probably be going four or five most of the time like walking speed. Folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, don't forget to subscribe to dailytechheadlines.com and get all those headlines. Also everybody who participates in our subreddit thank you very much in advance for all the cool stuff you're going to give us tomorrow morning because I'm doing Daily Tech Headlines. To mysteries and vote on others at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash dailytechnew is also where you can hang out with us. All right, let's move on to Traveler Chris Christensen our amateur traveler in fact who's back to explain something called skip lagging. This is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler with another tech in travel minute. The particular tip I have in mind today is controversial and I say is controversial because it actually came to my attention because of a lawsuit. Ruth Tonsa is suing a passenger for skip lagging and what skip lagging is is when you buy a stopover ticket and then you get off at the stopover with no plans of doing the final leg of your journey and you can sometimes get a cheaper airfare if you do that but the airlines don't like it and so there is some risk involved but there's actually even a site that lets you use this particular loophole and this is skip lag and they proudly proclaim that they have been sued by united and won so if you are willing to take a chance skip lag.com or the practice of skip lagging might save you some money on airfare not counting the legal fees this is Chris Christensen from amateur traveler I've definitely skipped lagged have you really oh yes that's in violation of the terms of your ticket purchase well I suppose it was but honestly what if you just get caught up right like oh I just something came up and I had to wait or like I like it so much here I'm just not going to get on the second leg of my trip I didn't mean to screw over the airline you know what there are some real reasons why this is harmful to airlines and why they give you a lower fare if you go on I would like someone to explain that in two or three sentences email us feedback at dailytechnewsha.com where we will read your email and possibly check it out on the mailbag yes indeed Brad was listening to yesterday's DTNS 3476 I was not on the show but I heard it was very good Brad says your conversation about Apple services spanning multiple platforms you mentioned Apple music but I wondered what you think if Apple decided to make iMessages cross platform instead in my opinion this would be a game changer I don't know much but I'd pay more for iCloud if it included Windows and Android I don't think that would be as big as music or TV but I think you're right it would be bigger than iCloud and it certainly might be something that folks would like especially on Android where folks often complain about the confusing array of messaging options although frankly I think more people just use WhatsApp or WeChat depending on what part of the world you're in so I don't know I don't know if that'd be a deal as not I'm sure a lot of people would like it though I mean I use iMessages with lots of Android folks because that's something that was offered to us a few years ago it wasn't originally and works out okay wait so they have iMessage on Android or you're just talking about text messages you can bring in SMS into the iMessage universe I think what Brad is saying is like what if the whole iMessage thing was there which would be interesting well then it's almost like we're going back to SMS again but you would get to have those fun iOS reactions for everybody probably wouldn't be available our goal each month is to get one more paper than last month and you could be that person that puts us over the top be a DTNS hero member get us over the goal line we only have one more day left tomorrow it's a short 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started two minutes that's only two minutes oh I see you're saying yeah all right well I only take the blame for today yeah well I don't think you're the control yeah well um I also um I know that you know sometimes we have a clear indication that it's time to move on but we're just not done talking about stuff so you know I I'm definitely to blame on that it's not Roger's fault no no it's your fault because you weren't on the show yesterday so we have a control and then what's not Roger's fault because he's telling us to move on and we're not I think that leaves only one potential option Patrick Beja is at exactly I was still under the influence of Patrick Beja from it well it's Finland really yeah they operate under a different time stream Patrick's doing his best you know he's just trying to get a good night's sleep half the time seriously it's it's Scott's fault it's Scott's fault for not being here if Scott had been here it's Scott's fault yeah and honestly it's not even that big a deal I just noticed it I thought that was now I know living in the living in the shadow of a ghost ooh that's a good one although that was not our main we didn't have a main though well but even even of top stories I would say that that was tisk tisk tiktok well if we took the eyes out of the then that would be funny oh tisk tisk tiktok yeah yeah we could do that coolers on wheels I did say that a couple times times up for tiktok I think that times up on signing up 12 year olds for tiktok but maybe not tiktok no in fact it's tiktok seems to be enjoying quite the boom who ships the shipping robots I love that idea coolers on wheels you like coolers on wheels I feel like we've made that joke before I think you might be right alright sorry tisk tisk tiktok but tisk is spelled tsk okay I'm not disputing that that's what tisk tisk actually is I hear people say tisk tisk they say it because they're purposely mispronouncing what it is do they really but I'm fine spelling it tsk tsk because that plays into the that's got the same amount of letters as tiktok there you go alright and then tiktok would have that's two words right it's not one I think it might be intercapped I'm going to look at my app you're right it is yep it is fine well we've come to a I'm glad we've reached an accord we've reached an accord you know it's the tisk tisk thing is really funny because when I was in fifth grade I was the cowardly lion in an adaptation of Wizard of Oz oh wow and the the script was based on the book rather than the movie and the book is different it's the scarlet slippers rather than the ruby slippers and the whole thing or silver slippers I think so there were certain things where as kids we were like well that's not what happens and the teacher was like well but this is the original story we're just going to do that anyway neither her nor their girl at some point says tisk tisk about something you know and there was a whole debate within all the kids where we're like well that's not a word what he's supposed to be doing is he's supposed to be making that sound like that's what tisk is like no one says tisk and do they they write it but I don't think they say it well some people say some people say it's kind of a satiric but they said knowing that it's not like that wasn't the real oh I don't know if they even know I would argue that you're absolutely right about it being and spelled out tisk tsk tsk and then I think people reading that started to say it tisk tisk because of reading it and it became without even realizing what they were doing that's true you know in the day and age of lots of slang I'm not going to say it here and be like now my way is the highway but every time I see that I'm like it's not tisk so do you want tisk or tiktok well you're asking if there's an eye in there or not I put it in the dock it's the way we already agreed on that yeah so the way it's in the dock is the way to go with no eyes in tisk so you can say it however you like but we're spelling it tsk tsk but I stand by my that's what it is that's what tisk is no one ever did that to me though I think that's where I'm coming from no one ever went it was always like no stop what do you mean no one ever did that to you no one ever tisked me that way I definitely heard it in like movies and stuff but growing up I don't think anyone ever used that only time I heard it was it was a commentary cartoon or Bugs Bunny I mean your mother never said like when you were about to get in trouble no it was more like stop it two different things tisk is like I'm mad tisk tisk is like yeah she only had two speeds I'm getting mad you didn't have a wow really did your mother ever do that to you she would give me a death wrap to the temples with her knuckles oh yeah that was probably a I can remember watch it like sort of in the category but I don't think she ever did that really that's so crazy I just assumed that we all had that no no no no tisking I don't think my grandmothers did either or my grandparents I mean do you ever do that no in fact I only ever say tisk like Roger was saying is sort of a like funny tisk tisk right and I'm always sort of like that's you're being funny because you know what it is I don't even do that hardly ever no I've never heard you say that once but even to like swear you wouldn't be like no uh uh uh that's probably what my mom would say same idea that's what that is right yeah huh what the dogs I often do because for some reason they take a cough as a bark and they're like yeah like yeah a little bit of a warning Ray was so good today we saw three cats and she didn't leave heal until the third one the first two she was like I'm not I'm not going to do it I know I'm not supposed to do it I'm not even going to look at that cat third one was too much for her sorry I can't help it and then she went right back into heal afterwards I was like hey she's good she's she's learning she's picking it up not supposed to leap at cats not supposed to leap at cats gotta tell myself that you know Otis is actually getting better with cats too I mean he obviously has his you know his cats um you know that he loves within loves but on the street if he sees a cat like jump up a tree or you know whatever like he'll he'll lose his mind but he's getting better at that and that also applies to squirrels cats and squirrels to Otis are the same thing you know they they jump they do they climb they they do weird things they confuse him he you know wants to go insane Ray Ray puts squirrels at the lower end she'll she'll bark at them through the door but outside they run away really fast and so she's like nah I'm not going to bother other dogs has been something we've been working on like other dogs when you're on leash you don't run at but if she's awfully she's fine with other dogs cats though cats is like top level like that's the cat challenge like she's like no that is not okay they are cats which is funny because it's like it's like what is it is it their weight you know like why and the way that they move you know do they do they trigger her more than right the squirrel and with Otis you know the opposite like he'll be like alright it's a cat I really want to run after the cat but I won't but with the squirrel like he can't Otis is like cats are family I'm not gonna well that's probably part of it whereas Sawyer same thing with cats he's gotten he's 10 now so he's a little less like you know I'm not gonna waste the energy I know I'm not gonna get you but Django loved cats Django was would always just go right up to them and sniff them and be like you are the strangest dog do you want to get to know them well that I think that's what Otis is going for because he's like oh I have your form factor at home I want I want you to love me as well but if he sees like a squirrel a skunk or a skateboard game over he's like not family no in fact in my part of LA that I live in now there are not a lot of the e-scooters that we used to have when I was in Venice at all however they're kind of showing up they're littering about on corners here and there slowly but surely and he knows them he was he was familiar with them in his old neighborhood but it's been a while and this morning a little kid who I live close to an elementary school so there are a lot of kids you know going about their business in the morning you know between like 7 and 9 a.m. and there was a kid that went by on the e-scooter and he was like you know he just normally he just sort of sit there patiently and I watched the kid go past and he just couldn't help himself this morning I was like what's the matter with you and I thought he probably hasn't seen a scooter for a while and it's kind of skateboard-esque he's out of the practice yeah well video folks hope you've enjoyed dog talk on the afternoon drive show good day hope you have a lovely rest of your day audio folks stick around there is more to come include