 Good morning or good afternoon, depending on where you are to everyone. This is the new member Q&A via Zoom on June 4th. I'm Betsy Koh and I'm co-hosting with me today's Hilary Gadsby. Hello. So we do these sessions at the beginning of every month, the first Thursday of the month, and then the Sunday immediately following that Thursday. So wherever those fall. And the purpose is just to provide a comfortable safe space to ask questions about wiki tree. It's called for new members, but really that's a very broad definition of new. It's just for anyone wanting to get more comfortable with how to navigate wiki tree. And what we most love to do is when people volunteer to as as deed to my left has volunteered today to let us look at their profiles and ask their specific questions and and give us a model that you know some some questions. Hopefully everybody can learn from by looking at one person. I've been on wiki tree for four years. And I'm active in the England, Wales, Scotland and Canada projects. Projects are a great way to find a little smaller community on wiki tree very friendly people who can help you along. And I'm also in the mentors project and the events committee. Hilary, you want to introduce yourself. Yeah, I've been on wiki tree since 2011 so 12 years or or almost 12 years I think I am one of the greeters I've was greeting for quite a long time. I took a break and I've then been greeting again for quite for years now rather than months. I'm also one of the mentors. And I am a project coordinator for both the England and Wales. Projects. So I'm sort of involved with some of the teams in the England projects as well so I'm quite busy on wiki tree. Great. Thank you. Well, I thought so D is given quite quite a number of profiles. What we like to we like to start with looking at a model profile. And so D I thought we would look at John Mifflin Brown as as the model profile so I'm going to share my screen. I think that's the one I want. Actually, no, that is not the one I want. Move you all down so I can see. Okay, here we go. So can you all now see John Mifflin Brown. Yes, you've got the right one up. Yes, great. So we'll just sort of take a tour of this profile. Now you may see some things look a little different on my screen, because I have the wiki tree browser extension, which by the way is is a fantastic add on to your wiki tree extension it's just something that you enable on whatever browser you use. Chrome Firefox, I believe a version is coming out for Safari very soon. It's free, and it does all kinds of things. So, one thing that it does is it tells me that I am 29 degrees away from John Mifflin Brown. And if I were, I guess that's it's not clickable but there are ways if I wanted to see the exact pathway, I could I could look at that. He's a notable connection. And we have just started doing this on wiki tree. All of you should have on your profiles, your number of connections, and that's your CC seven. And that is the number of connections you have to other people on wiki tree within seven degrees of yourself. So one degree would be your parents and two degrees would be your grandparents and so on and so on. So your CC seven. We have just started doing this for notables. And one of the things that John Mifflin Brown has has 230 connections. And one of the big things we love to do on wiki tree is, and try and grow that number. And, and so that's what this is all about help, help to fill in some missing links and increases number. So this is birthday, death, date and location. This project is both managed by an individual, as well as the US black history project, because he's a notable. So, or you will see up at the top that there's this symbol, which most often you'll, you'll see a green unlocked lock, which means that it's an open profile that anyone can go in and and edit if they have, you know, information to contribute. So the options that you would see are, you know, a red closed lock, which is private and variations in between of how much you want to want to share if within a certain period of time with death dates and birth dates profiles are required to be open. Here, categories, you may see, again, one of the options with wiki tree browser is that you can put these categories up at the top. If you don't have the browser extension, you might see the categories at the bottom. These are are really, really handy. So it shows cemeteries is very, very popular for categories. So location showing the house and linking that he was a free person of color, Delaware, these would be places where he lived. The occupations Methodist minister. And so, in case you haven't played with these I'm just going to show you if I go to Woodlawn cemetery. It will take me to a page. And these are all the people on wiki tree with a profile on wiki tree who are buried in that cemetery. So it can be useful, perhaps, if you have one family member buried in a cemetery, you might discover by looking at this list that you have more than one family member buried in the cemetery. And up here at the top, this is very cool. You can click my connections for any category that you're on. And it's going to tell me that these are the people, the in the top box, these are people who are directly related to me. There's some sort of blood, blood relationship path. Distant and then connections would be the people who are connected to me but there might be a link or two or three through marriage. So that's that's a very interesting feature with categories. You see that john john is part of the US black history project as mentioned, and then this by his biography is is excellent. I really like the fact that there's a sort of a synopsis highlights of who he is, and then it goes into much more detail. And we have these sections, I'm going to go into edit mode at the end, and show you what this looks like on the on the on the other side. But details from the census. It's really nice to see the listings of his family in the biography it helps you sort of trace things down to death and will research notes research notes are really really special part of wiki tree. And they, they allow us to. Well, leave leave notes for other researchers or ourselves when we're sort of in the middle of, you know, maybe we haven't quite proven things, but we're in the process of it. D, you, you were you the one who wrote these research notes. I did. I did with the assistance of the, I put some acknowledgments towards the bottom the researcher that I was working with. Yes, yes. So, yes, so those notes in based on what I had gotten from him, his research, because I had no idea that this was a relative of mine until 2021, right after my mom died I think I had no I had no indication of my Spencer side of the family at the time. And through my life I was told they didn't exist. And if you see now from the Spencer Brown side my paternal side, I have notable, and I also have a first in the city of Milwaukee a police police detective African American had no idea that I'm just researching now and able to at least put the research notes in that I'm able to maybe contribute and not everyone is got a citation on it, but maybe by putting them there someone can help you know with that. Absolutely and these these research notes were are fantastic. One thing I as I was reading them that they were so intriguing that I was wondering, who wrote this, you know, and if I were working on this profile, I would also say I want to find this person so that we can collaborate. So there is a way to sort of put your signature on on notes that you put, Hillary, would you mind putting for four till days in the chat so that people can see what that looks like. So what Hillary's going to put in there. This is what you would put when you're in edit mode. You would these four little till days there in the upper left hand corner of your keyboard, and it effectively creates a signature, you know, it would be like well if I if it was me doing it it would show co 31 Betsy co, and then it would give a date and a time that I had, you know, added this and it's at the end of your text at the end of the text. Yep. Thanks, Hillary. It might be in different place on some people's keyboard. Yeah, yeah, because I've got it on my, I've got it on my hash key. So it probably depends on your layout of your keyboard. So, good point. So here we can see that there's a mix. People are often curious about what is the difference between regular citations and inline citations. And so here we see a mixed of both on these first three are linked to specific parts in the bio so let's find you look for it looks like a little footnote. There's two, where's one. Oh, there's one. Okay. So, so this, what is said in this bolded text is linked to the source number one, very another great feature about the browser extension is that if I just hover over that one. So instead of having to scroll all the way down which you know if you have a long bio that can be a little cumbersome. It'll show you the, the source, and here is the second source. I don't I don't think you can actually click on it, but you can see what it is. It's added one way and if people have questions I can, I can show how you would add an inline citation. And then these other ones with the bullet points are just, they are contributing to what is stated in the bio, but it's not quite you know it's a little work to make the connection between what what these are backing up so inline citation is preferred. If you could, let me go into edit mode, so that you can see. Here. And what I will do is all bolded or highlighted in blue. Okay, this was that first inline so it's citation. So it's just this link. And what makes it an inline citation is these two little things on either end the ref, and then this button up here, this little C button is what you would use. If you have something to site you would click on it, and it would generate the little ref tags automatically, and then you just paste your your source citation in the middle of it. And then let's go down to the bulk of the sources. Okay, so you can see these other sources that have the bullet points just have an asterisk. And that's all that's necessary to do to create create the bullet point. And let's see was there anything else. Remember in the bio we had the the nice bold headers that you know we're like, will and death, the way to create that is to equal signs, whatever your title is. And then, I'm sorry, three equal signs, three equal signs will create that nice big bold heading. Yeah, I think it depends on how you want it indented as to whether you add three or you just add two because I usually just use two. I used to use three but with a lot of them headings if you put three equal signs it comes up with this with an error on it. So, okay, I think depends on whether it's a main heading, like biography or something like that or whether it's a subheading and below the biography that you want you might want to put an extra three equal sign it's like the research notes got to right if you want to add something under the research notes a different one which is not maybe a non standard when you can use the right the three. Right, right. Yeah, I excuse me everyone I'm getting over a cold. I usually use two. So that's why it caught me a little bit off guard doesn't to notice the three but one way you can play around with things and then see what it does is just to click on this preview button, and then you'll see your box below, and you'll see what the the wiki markup code is going to look like. So, I'm going to return to the profile without saving. All right. And by the way this is the second great grandfather. Amazing. Amazing. Yeah, and the, the other profile manager Tim Nealon is a cousin direct distant cousin through the Brown family. So, and, and yeah so and I've met them I've met them all now. They live in Wisconsin. Yeah. Well that's wonderful. Yeah. I was when you mentioned the formatting on on the citations in line citations as opposed to the the other ways at the bullet points towards the bottom. I personally just from the short time I've been here, I personally prefer to put them all in line. And then if there's see also or, you know, or acknowledgements maybe put something towards the bottom there that's just for me personally. But with this one Tim had worked so hard with the US black heritage program, you know that I didn't have the hard to go and just because it was the way I preferred to go because I think US black heritage has a specific way that they do it as well so And I think that first paragraph is from wiki tree it's like the first paragraph they allow you to quote from the notable and then, and then use that as the first citation. Yeah, yeah, but, but I didn't have the heart to change any of the stuff they did because it was just so beautifully done. I just did the research notes. Well, it's a really it's a great profile. Yeah. And one more thing before before we turn to these more recent profiles is that you'll notice here that it'll tell you in the box you know where it tells you the profile manager. In a way, say you stumble across an ancestors profile and it's, you know, it's already there managed by somebody else, and you want to. You want to start collaborating with that person, you can send send them a message, and the message will pop up, showing that you were on the profile that you were on so that the person knows what you're specifically interested in and then of course your, your specific message will be more detail. It also gives the most recent changes that were done to the profile. If you want to see longer term list of what's done on a profile, you go to changes. I'm going to show you everything that's been done on the profile all the way back to whenever it was created. That can also be a really, really handy place to look when you're trying to figure out where to go with a profile. I'm just going to mention, if you go to where it says contents and look at the biography thing, it will show you. I know it's not showing up on there. But if you if you click on the show on for the contents, it will show you biography and then it will show you the other ones which are like subheadings. So the biography is the one where you're using the two equal signs and the ones all the one headings below it are the ones where they were using three equal signs. And that's how it will how you can tell whether you've got like two with how many you've added if you if you accidentally put to the wrong numbers on it will show up on the contents list. Just might be useful if people are not familiar with using that and they want to start using it. Right, right. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's why when we were looking at the death and the will. It had three equal signs because it was in sort of indented within the biography, but research notes was its own section. Yeah, makes sense. All right. So D, where should we go from here as I told you I have all of your the profiles that you gave me. Let's go to Lonnie Spencer, my grandfather, my paternal grandfather. Yeah, let's do I've been working on on his profile to do him right. He's the one I'm going with for posthumous recognition with the city of Milwaukee because he has no marker on his grave. And he's the first black detective in the history of the city there so I'm trying to work something with them. I'm trying to really do him proud and I never met I never got to meet him. And we lived so close in the city to each other, and I never got to meet him. And he's your, he's your grandfather. Yeah, you read his bio you see you know my dad's bio I think is probably more indicative of really what was going on during that time in our family. My dad Milton but yeah, it's, it's interesting but I really want to do him proud and so I'm not sure if I've got it formatted right and stuff. Okay, excuse me. So, you got a family lived in Illinois and let's. Okay, he was six and yeah that would have been his first census. Let me know if you ever do anything for you down in Chicago that's. I'm thinking that when you told me that earlier, I do I have a, I have a brick wall here with Addy. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it's a personal preference, whether some people really like to put you know the census details right within the biography. Other people have different feelings about it. I don't but I also at the same time I appreciate being able to see it there because it really shows the family relationships ages amongst the children. I think it did a lot for me. That's me it did a lot for me when getting to know the family. Yeah, see those words there with the table. Yeah. And with Ferguson with that have been Addy's mother. Yes, yes, and she and she's on a census as Irish and African American so I'm at a brick wall there too. Okay. Now, what, what he's done here. This is really a good idea. She has hyperlinked her. I guess he would be your grand uncle, Lonnie is Lonnie's brother. Oh, what a great picture I love that. I got that from the Milwaukee Historical Police Society. That's, wow. Yeah. So, so if I were to click on this I would go right to the profile of James Orville Spencer. And the formula for that. Hillary would you mind maybe putting in the chat, the formula for hyperlinking. So it's just two square brackets, the profile ID, the little vertical line, and then whatever text you want. Betsy co, or Elizabeth co I mean whatever you put there is going to show up and close it off with the square brackets. It took me a minute to remember that I used to mix them up and then they were. I am I've been there. Oh, he's a musician. Yeah, I recently got to visit my, my uncle, my dad's brother who would be Lonnie's son in Virginia, who's still alive, my uncle Leon still alive. I met all my cousins and him. I spent the last June, June, Juneteenth with them in Virginia in Hampton, Virginia. Wonderful. And so, yeah, so I got some oral history there to uncle Leon, which is great. Yeah, now there is a way. You know, I know you asked me in your email about about how to document things you know, what do I do if I have a birth certificate that isn't available online but I have it, or what in your case oral history. Now, if you have a later rival. If you have oral history from somebody who is known the person, you can cite that, you know, mentioning that, you know, oh so and so I'm citing this fact about about your grandfather, given to you by his son. And, you know, I that works if the people knew each other. I could be a source of information about my father, because I, you know, I knew him for, you know, decades and decades. Right. And where it gets problematic is when we have oral history about people who are centuries apart. That doesn't doesn't really fly. But yeah, this this looks great. Now, I see you don't have any research notes. Do you and not yet. Yes, I do have some things that that I've gotten orally that I haven't quite written up because I don't, because I also, I'm leery to make them sound to to personal personal when I write them. Yeah. So, even though they're given to me in that way. So I do have some things that I'm working through right now but I will stick them in there. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I was going to say, if you don't have any research notes that's fine. And you don't you don't have to have just the blank header and but if you anticipate adding some. Yeah, I think I will. Yeah. Now, one thing. Yeah, go ahead. No, I was going to say I think I was having issues with some of the ancestry sharing links, and I think what it was. Okay, so there is a code that is a break code that comes, you know, like a carrot br, you know, forward slash and then it's a break right. And I don't like them I just they drive me crazy in when I put them in there. So I will take out the break. But sometimes if I backspace any of the other text it will screw up my ancestor sharing links, ancestry sharing links. I don't know if that's something I do or if it's, is it because I got rid of the break in there. Well, I know what you mean on on some of this. Now do you use sorcerer. On some of the citations that sorcerer creates. I, I don't like what the break does and I just take them out. Now I, I haven't had that problem with ancestry links so I don't know. Yeah. Okay, I'll just I'll have to find some examples and then put them in G to G maybe. The only thing that I can think of and maybe Hillary has some thoughts to is with your images and you have these wonderful images let's see. So this is your grandparents right. So what that that is actually my mom and dad's marriage certificate that sites, the grandparents, those grandparents as grand, you know, so the source. Yeah, so I had no. Yeah, yeah. But it was good to put that there. Yeah, you can also put your images within the body of the biography. Did you know that. Oh, yeah, so let me just show you. Oh, what a cutie. This is my dad that's the only photo I have of my dad as a kid ever. He's not in hard. He's in hardly any photos really. Yeah, yeah. He's looking he's very serious and this is like get me out of here. This is eight we got fun on the bottom right he's going. 1927. That's fantastic. That's also I love that style of hat that your grandmother's wearing I guess I said a cloche. So she was something else she was so pretty. Yeah, I had a hat like that too and I actually had it on one day and my dad and looked at me like a ghost walked in the room, I never talked to me about his parents. Now I know why I must have looked like her to him I don't know. So we come down here. So you can see that that D is tagged this photo to each of the three people with that that are in the picture that way it's linked to their profiles to set set as a background or here's what we want use inside text. So if you want to put it within the bio you would just see that. And then you'll be in the bio but the data and then you just snap that put paste that in right where you wanted to appear. And that's great. Very easy. Very good. Yeah. Yeah, sure. So let me ask you this very quickly on in regards to images. What if I want to remove an image that I changed my mind on how do you do that. How can you remove them. Yeah, let's let's go back and just look. I think there what it what it is is that you can remove an image. I've been on the wiki tree server for 30 days in case you change your mind about changing your mind. But what you yeah Hillary go ahead. Yeah, what I was going to say is you can remove from an individual from one individual profile if it's on several without Lou without. After you can you just need to unlink them, but you but if you unlink him from everybody, all the profiles it's attached to them as you say it will only be around for a little while afterwards and then it will disappear. Right, right. Yeah. So what you would do is remove image remove remove. So it's not attached to any profile or free space page. And then after 30 days it'll, it'll vanish. I don't think I saw those words remove the image before. Yeah, actually there's this this this image pages, there's a lot on it it's dense. Hillary any any other thoughts about the profile overall. Great. I don't think I had any particular comments. What about the acknowledgments at the bottom are they appropriate acknowledgments for the people who helped with the historical society. And actually put. Yeah, yeah that that seems that that seems okay. The acknowledgement speed that's where we would normally put them right at the end below all these sources so I can't see that there'd be a problem there. I like that what links here at the bottom now I there's so many new things I'm noticing. Yes, yes, wiki tree browser extension that will create that. Yeah. Right. Cool. So if. Okay so check the, okay the Adobe links that I put on there that was the question I had those Adobe links were, I couldn't figure out how to get I think it was a news article, and I don't know that they're actually going to go through, but I put them into my system and then I made a link for them. Is that okay to do that. Okay. Well, I'm a little surprised that that that worked the I've never seen anyone do that. I, yeah. Yeah, it's come up for me with the with the newspaper. So, when I opened went to open it came up in in another link so and it's come up for you as well so. Yeah, yeah. Now what is the day. So you see 1917. It's it's not under copyright anymore. So, so that's helpful. Maybe that's why I got away with that. Yeah. And you but you did get it through through newspapers. Yeah. I mean I think the best way. The PDF hosted of the of that page. You mean Adobe through my Adobe through. Okay, so it's on your account so then you just have this picture on your account it's not you're not actually going into newspapers.com because then that would be a subscription site right I mean that would be. This is the right because that right. Okay, thank you. Yeah, because I had I had an account with them or I still do and I'm trying to kind of move the things, you know, onto wiki tree as much as I can and then get rid of my account. So, when I would if you would I think I believe if you link it when you have an account, and then you put it in as a citation sometimes you have to have an account or subscription to see that. And so I was trying to make a roundabout way of doing that by downloading it as a photo and then linking it myself. But I don't know if that's okay to do, you know, like I don't know if that lasts forever you know what I mean. Right, right. As long as you have the account on Adobe. Yeah I mean when I'm gone then what happens, like. Yeah, no. I might have to re, re study that. There might be some way of doing something from from the newspapers.com but I'm not sure because I don't have an account there. But sometimes I, whenever I do anything from a newspaper always just cut the piece that I want from but I tend to do it from the British newspaper archive just because of the nature of the profiles that I have. I just tend to cut the piece that I need, and just use a citation on it. But I'm thinking source for a works with newspapers.com doesn't it. It would create a citation for you. And if you only wanted to cite a piece out of paper you might be able to just cut out the piece that that you want from the document and just save it as an image to your profile. I'm wondering if that if I'll have to check and I don't want to waste a lot of everyone's time on on that particular thing, because I think I put that same citation on Orville on his brother Orville's. And I don't think I did it the same way so I'll have to, I think I did do it directly from newspapers.com with us torso citation. I'm pretty sure I'll have to check those two accounts and and fix that because I don't think that should that's going to last, you know, in general, Hillary, I can you take over talking for a second. I'm just looking at something that I want to put in the yeah. Yeah, because with the trouble with a lot of the newspaper things as you just have to be careful with them, the any terms and conditions that you've got I mean I know the British newspaper archive. I'm happy for you to cite snippets from their their newspapers and as long as you actually tell, you know, give it a proper citation and say where you picked it from, and that they obviously wouldn't like you doing large amounts but obviously an individual article it just that what what they what you can find there and that obviously helps them. I'm not sure about the ones that are on newspaper.com, but if they allow us some kind of sharing, or you can or if things like Wiki Tree source so works with them, presumably at least the citation is there for somebody to pick it up and and find that that's that same article at some later to point. I think probably so I just put something in the chat. I am a huge fan of sorcerer I don't know why I haven't been using it for newspapers, well I also don't have a newspapers.com subscription but someone clip this for me when I was doing some research last weekend, so my personal preference is to put something like this in my sources. It shows you know the publication the date, the title of the article, it gives a newspapers.com link. As you said who knows what that will do and 100 years but it is, and the access date, and then I would put a clip a clipping, then I would put the the clipping in as an image, rather than doing a PDF, because it's very the difference. Yeah, I'm sorry. Yeah, so so does that that doesn't work quite with genealogy bank though does it. Are you familiar with them because I think they give you a temporary link, like for two weeks, and then, because I said when I go to my suggestions report. I see those coming up like the links no longer valid but it was for like two weeks and so if you redo it, which you can't keep doing every two weeks. Sure, it will give you a new link but I'm trying to figure out how in the heck you get around that. Yeah, I know genealogy bank I haven't used it myself. The main thing is that you get a good citation because if you get a good citation, even if the link is not a permanent link, you've got the information of what that newspaper or magazine or whatever it was that you found, you've got that information there, and someone in the future could go and find that same thing somewhere. Usually you're citing something that is a physical object at some point in some place, be it a book, a magazine, a newspaper, whatever. So you need to actually have something so that if somebody can actually get hold of that in the future, they can find it and with enough information about like it's got page number column and everything. So you could go exactly to that quite easily if you've got that newspaper. And that's a good point. Yeah. Ellen makes a good suggestion here. You know, in addition to, or instead of putting an image up, you could also transcribe if it's brief enough. Yeah, yeah. Agreed. I think I was focusing on the visual more than the citation and I should start thinking the opposite way. Absolutely. Yeah. And if there's a photo there great but yeah. Thank you. Yeah, sure. Any question I haven't been able to really keep an eye on on the chat. Are there other questions that are coming up? Because if I if you put something in the chat and I didn't see it please just say hey or raise your hand. Just more comments of more comments about citation that's all really nothing. You know, obviously we need to just. I had one quick question. Yes, at the bottom where you have the acknowledgments. Can you still link to the organization there. Like you mentioned. Yeah, the Milwaukee police historical society like I wasn't aware that there was one, for instance. So with a link to their work to that organization work there. That's okay for that space. Yes, yeah. You know how to do that. I should hire it could hyperlink it right. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. What is it called Milwaukee police historical historical police society. I think there was a couple backwards and dyslexic. Okay, is that it. Let me see. Yeah, do you would you buy hyperlinked it so that I can show everybody. No, go right ahead. Yeah, you take whatever your website is. And now when I go back to acknowledgments up. I think to somebody have their sounds or. Okay. Okay, so what I'm going to do is that's the text that I want to show up. So I'm going to do a single bracket. There's my link and just put a space. And then close it off. Whoops, not single bracket. Now I'm going to use preview just so that in case I made a mistake you get to see what you've done here. Acknowledgements so that's what it's going to look like. And it's going to hyperlink. So it's it's similar. It's to me it's similar to hyperlinking a profile, but it uses just one one bracket, and it does not use the vertical bar in the middle. So that all let's see what did I do. Nope, I don't believe. And I did a formatting. Let's just say that. Great question. So shall we look should we look at another of your profiles. Or do you want to look at my dad's Milton Spencer. And by the way, D has done some really nice background images. Is that where did you get that day? I got that from my Adobe stock. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I purchased I bought that because I part of it's part of my account, but he was a truck driver so I was trying to get the trucking thing in there and I looked on Google and I just couldn't find the right image so right. Um, so that that's another if you if you happen to have an image where it would work to be a background image. Let me just show again on this very busy. Set as background image and you could for any of the three people that the photo the photo is linked to you could make it their background image. So what questions do you have about your dad's profile. So I'm sure I still have a lot of typos and things in there but okay so what I did in there was because to me personally this was therapy. You know, once you get to some of the research notes and things in there that I've taken a personal comment to. It was very much a history lesson for me and in where I grew up in the city of Milwaukee. So I wanted to link in, you know, some of the things that I was talking about in there which weren't necessarily something to do with dad personally but it was going on in the neighborhood like like the father crappy marches say the civil rights marches and things like that. So, did I link those in properly. Do they make. I mean, this is my first. This was probably the first profile I did on my own, I think. Right. So I, you know, like, I wanted, because for me, I have a daughter and I personally I desperately at age 66 am struggling now to know my family. I had no idea. No idea who they were grew up with my father and I still didn't know him right so now I'm getting to know everybody. And I don't want my dog I want my daughter to know them like I do now so this is what I'm leaving her and her family. So, a lot of it's not a personal flair to it too and I don't know if that's okay. You know I know that's supposed to go in the research notes maybe more but I don't know if I did it right so I'm open for, you know, protocol and SOP and editing and all of that because I want to do the do it right. One option. I mean, we, all of us on wiki tree, who are connected, you know that means that our immediate family is on there to our parents or grandparents, many of whom we had, you know, really rich and maybe complicated relationships with. So, certainly what you're saying about the historical events that happened during your father's life that had a direct in impact on his reality. Yeah, yeah, I think that's it's very appropriate to to weave those into the biography and makes for a richer biography, rather than just you know, so and so was born they married you know was very dry. But the other place where you can interweave more personal detail is. Oh, oh sorry. Is the personal the personal memories. Why am I not seeing that on your profile. Maybe do I have to go to edit mode. Let's just see. What are you looking for. Hillary, I'm looking for the section that's personal memories. You know what I'm talking about. Yeah, I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure how it whether it only shows up on the one for the profile manager. I'm going to go to one of mine. Okay, so this is one of my great grandmother's whom I did not know oh here's an example. If you want to incorporate a photo into the text, it would look like that. And here memories. That's where I would. And you can add photos in as well. And that would be a good place post a new memory. I don't know why I don't see that on on your dad's profile. Do you see it D that option towards the bottom. I used to see it I don't know if they did they, maybe do you have to refresh maybe. I know what you mean though, but I never put them in there. Yeah, I just recently started using that and I think it's a really nice way to, to create both a sort of, I don't know more official biography and then a more personal side to it. Yeah. Oh, it's so it's. Yeah, I see it. So, when I'm on the, I'm not in, I'm not in edit. If I just scroll all the way down past, see also what links here, right under what links here, it says memories enter a personal reminiscent or story. And I haven't put any memories in yet. Okay, yeah. There's one, there's a, there's a section there. So, and you're in the viewing mode. You know what maybe I can't because I as everybody can see on my screen. What links here, comments. And probably I don't see the memory thing because I'm not on the trusted list for the profile. That must be it. Yeah. Yeah, so, but it's, it's open. No, that doesn't matter. It's open. True. What's the evil step. I, you know, I put that in. I kept going by that and going like, wow. I'm sorry. You got that, didn't you. Keep going. I've just had a look on, I've just had a look on my father's profile and it says that memories enter a personal reminiscent or story. These are only visible to the trusted list. That's it. I had a feeling it was something like that. Right, right. Well, I learned something new today. Yeah, so that won't work moving forward then, like putting in. I mean, if it's only good to the trusted list, it's more for researchers, right? Well, it's for people to have a really close connection to the individual. Is your daughter on wiki treat. Cheers. Okay, good. Well, I would add her to the trusted list for all your family profiles. She and my husband are on. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. Yeah, I just, I did like a couple of links to, you know, some UWM papers, you know, that I felt needed to be explained on the history of what was going on in the neighborhood at the time. Why my dad did what he did. And that makes any, you know, what's what was going on in the, in the United States with Jim Crow and all of that. Yeah, which was a big reason for this, for my whole family implosion, whatever. But so, yeah, I really wanted to make sure that the historical part was was cited. And not just word of mouth. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, it's, it gives context to the lives of our ancestors. I appreciate it very much because it tend this tended to be the kind of thing people would run away from at one time. Not want to discuss passing or, you know, acknowledge that how that history or colorism shape their family dynamics. But thank you. I also have, you know, in doing my genealogy now, the things I'm trying to do, feverishly now at my age for, for my daughter is also the blurred lines that I'm coming across in senses from Negro to Milado to white because they can. And then I come into the categorization, which, yes, I want to put my category categories incorrectly and my daughters. But then I go back a few ancestors where they're passing clearly like my father changed his, you know, his symbols to, you know, from B to W because he could. And, you know, so how do you continue to categorize in genealogy how do you continue to what do you do you realize it's a contingent on time period and also that if you look at the US census they have a really great feature on their place it shows when these different racial terms came in and out of favor. Or across, which I think some people aren't familiar with to that that that that even has its own history. You know, right, right. And so I've been with through oral history to with new cousins that I'm meeting now who are had gone through similar things that I had gone through as a young person, not knowing what what our families were going through. And why, you know, so now we're able to to get these oral histories down. And so I need a place to put those two, not in a gossip form. Obviously, but in a factual form but was so and so Uncle George or Grandpa George decided that he was. You may want to think about donating them to a local, a local institution as well like some libraries have collections of oral histories, universities. So, so, so look into that too, because you already know what the process is to convert that into a document. You know, I will thank you. Yeah, yeah, I mean I, I also am a mixed race with a Taiwanese father and a Caucasian mother and it's self identity is a complicated issue. It is and with the history, the historical things and our and our generations now it now it doesn't it really doesn't matter anymore, you know, we're all, we're all connected right that's the truth. We're all connected so we're all one, but, but in that era that my father and my mother who was a mixed race couple at the time and your family to, and the wars and all of that you know and it was all under, you know, under a hush hush and so I'm just grateful to be able to at least maybe turn my family history into a outward history lesson on systemic racism and how it affects those moving forward. I don't know if I can do that but this part of my history. Well, if we all do something then it can effects change. Right. Yeah. So thank you for doing that. Well, we're coming up on an hour. D do D and anyone else. Bernie, do we have some burning questions, sort of a lightning round. Things we things we I feel like we covered a lot we talked about a lot today. But was there something that that I left out or I think maybe not that you left it out maybe that I'm just, I think DNA. I've got you know I've got my DNA tests in there and my husband's my daughter's my I got my mother actually swabbed my mother when she was in hospice with her permission. So, not even a week before she passed, I was able to get her DNA. I doubted it, but I wanted to have that you know, and so I have the tests. I own the test, but they're individuals of course my mother's deceased so I'm my mother now, but my husband has one, my daughter has one. And I put mine in there I think but I don't know if it's in there right, but I have I have a real difficulty understanding that and I think I need some links on where to further educate. My mom has one, my dad didn't have one. Okay. And did you go you must have gone through Jed match. I mean to, because what you would have done is tested at ancestry or 23 and me or any of those sites, and then you would have downloaded your raw DNA file. And then to put it on wiki tree, well you don't put your DNA on wiki tree, you uploaded to Jed match, and then you put the Jed match number on. So I think I did that on mine, but I wasn't able to do it on my mom's or my daughter's yet maybe. Right. Well if your daughter and husband are on wiki tree, maybe you can just sit with them, you and help them do it, you're not allowed to do DNA for somebody else. In the case of your mother. That would be different. And I, I don't know if there's like a waiting period or anything like that. Let me just go to your profile, because I saw your DNA showing up on. Yeah, I thought it did now I helped me with that I think someone helped me with that way at the beginning. I wasn't sure how to have that confirmation confirmed DNA, you know, you can put your details, you put your details of your test on there. And even if you haven't got it on Jed match you can put your details of your test that way you tested. So, so if you click on I put it out in the description, if you click on my brother, I think I wrote it in his like, exactly what it said on the test. Okay. Just to show you here's I know. I followed the process that I described. You see, I tested it ancestry, my Jed match kid numbers this. That allows and Jed matches free. And that will allow anybody else who's on wiki tree or Jed match to compare on Jed match to see. Jed match actually links through to your wiki tree. Yes, as well. I've noticed because when I was like my mom Jed match and when I know and I noticed it link through and it gives you a link to your wiki tree thing if people want if you want to if you ever if you get matches with somebody who's not on wiki tree they can see your tree on wiki tree or see what what is publicly visible of your tree on wiki tree so. So yeah, you can see the difference between something though. Why is your birthday up there. My birthday or Diana's why is her birthday profile. Isn't it supposed to be like private. She's alive. Well, it depends on your privacy setting. Oh really. Yeah. So this is, I've got let me see it. I've got. Private with public biography and family tree. Yeah, and it's part of the bio. So you can you can see up here, it just says born 1950s, but if someone chooses to put their birthday. Oh, how I do. Yeah, yeah. It's from the document. Yeah, it doesn't bother me, but if it's against the rules I want to go thinking of that thinking more identity theft and stuff like that. Yeah, I think that's a personal choice. Yeah, we'll go back through I mean right now it's so that part is visible then you're saying to the public that particular state there okay I see what you're saying. I may go back and switch that out. Yeah. And then my brother, if you if you go on to the citation number three for in my bio there for after my brother David john Spencer. Well, I can't because they're your brother your siblings are private. No, can you go in the biography part where it's where it reads her brother David. Yeah, and then click three or whatever. Oh, go back one go back. Yeah, and then click the citation three. Okay, and then all I did was I have you just click that I wrote confirmed shared DNA because it was, that's what the test, his test said. Yes, he didn't down uploaded or downloaded but he said, here read this this is what this is what it says on my DNA test or whatever so I just typed that those that in there. Right. And there's a. So your brother is not on wiki tree so he's his. Okay, so there's a stickler. Got it. There I can I can send you a link for a help page with DNA. I mean there is, there is a particular way to do a DNA confirmation, but given that he's not on wiki tree. I think how you handled it is fine. The best I could do it. Yeah, I mean the shared him, this makes it clear that it's a very, very close relationship so right. He was also part of the National Geographic help group. They did a back in 2005, I think it was he works, he worked for stearest corporation and asked all the employees to do that. So he did that but silly me I'm like ignorant to the whole DNF DNA he says I'll do the DNA for both of us because we have the same parents. Yeah, but it's not quite the same when it right. But anyway, I did get his help group, his age and you know I got those from that test but I don't even know how to put that in there like just type that in or like. Well, I mean, I did. I did a mitochondrial DNA. So, yeah, I mean you would upload. So I've uploaded both my autosomal results from ancestry DNA, and then my mitochondrial, and there's a field to ask for your happy that I see. Yeah, and for mitochondrial or why DNA. You would want to go through this website might a wide DNA with a free. Cool. Yeah, perfect. Great. All right. Well, thank you so much D for sharing your, your very fascinating and gorgeous profiles with us. Go back and read your dad's and more detail. And, and thank you everyone for being here was as a nice full house for for a Sunday zoom. And hope, hope you'll be back next time. If anybody would be interested in sharing your profiles with us on a Thursday or Sunday. Please, I'm going to stop screen sharing so that I can go in the chat. Please send me a message. There's my wiki tree ID. Also any questions that you have I'm, I'm happy to answer those and I'll put up one more helpful link, which is the free space page for our. YouTube links. So this is where you can find the zoom links you can find the YouTube links once it's been posted afterwards. Back. What was that. Okay. And, and other resources. So, I guess that's it. Well, we'll say goodbye. And thank you. Have a great day everyone. Thank you so much. You're welcome.