 Okay, so that's good. Well, no, that's the problem. When you just start a show on YouTube and you don't have an intro and you don't have like that five minute buffer time, you don't actually know when you've started. So you end up with this weird like, you either come in halfway through a sentence, you come in when you're laughing, or by the way, we are live now. By the way, welcome everyone. Yeah, exactly. I kind of figured. Yeah, we just kind of went live. Welcome back to tomorrow live shows. My name is Jamie Higginbotham. I am joined by Jared Head and Ryan Katten, right? Did I do it right? Katten. Just went over this. We just went over this. Careful. I know, and I'm breaking my own set. Oh my gosh, I know. I destroyed the table. Oh, we're 30 seconds and I've already failed. Live shows are back officially. So hopefully we'll be able to continue these week after week. We're still playing with the format and we're playing with the time a little bit. So right now it's Fridays. Well, technically Saturdays at 0000 or mid-ruple balls, I don't know. Saturday, coordinated time. For those of you in the United States, that's 5 p.m. Pacific time, 8 p.m. Eastern time. And yeah, so make sure to subscribe and do all those YouTubey things. But I wanted to just jump straight into it because I've been doing some Twitter conversations. And these threads get pretty deep. And the last one I had was talking about Blue Origin. And the first Twitter thread I had was not super kind to Blue. Basically I said, look, you're doing a bunch of things wrong here. I want to be excited. I want to be excited for Blue, right? We're all space units, aren't we? Yes. Yeah, exactly. Like we want to cheer everyone on. All ships rise with the tide. So we want to get excited with what Blue's doing. The only problem is like they're doing it in such a way that it's really, really difficult to be excited about what's going on. And I think there were four things. And I don't know if I can get all four. The first one was the lawsuit feels disingenuous, right? Entirely. Yeah. Now, I could argue both sides of that because basically every aerospace company sues someone else. Whether it's like this is normal. And we can point and pick out Blue. But if we're going to do that, then we have to look at all the other space companies doing that too or have done that. And it's not really fair. Yeah. But just because other people have done it, like we got to stop this somewhere. This is crazy. So it feels disingenuous. They're not going to win. No one thinks they're going to win. They're not going to get anywhere with this. We know this. They know this. We all know this. So stop it. Just stop it. Number two, fly some stuff. Seriously, stop talking about stuff decades in advance. Fly it. I'm sick of hearing about what they're doing in the future. Just fly it. And if they're not ready to fly it, then don't tell me about it yet, which is funny because I want to know the things, but I don't want to know them so far in advance that I forget about them. That makes sense. Yeah. Right. I think the third thing was, they lost the Lunar contract effectively. Do it anyhow. Yeah. Just like other spaces. Look at Sierra Nevada. They basically lost all the CRS contracts and whatnot. They're building it anyhow. Yeah. Right? Full speed ahead on Dream Chaser. Full speed ahead on Dream Chaser. Well, it's full speed ahead as you can get with limited funds, which I feel as a space nerd is understandable and I commend them for actually trying to make this thing go. Also, I am super excited for Dream Chaser. Yes. Right. That's for those who don't know, that's the miniature space shuttle. Yeah. It can do, technically can do cargo or humans. It's designed to go to space station. It flies atop an Atlas V. I mean Vulcan. I think it's going to go on Vulcan as well. Vulcan, right? Well, I have, at this point, it would have to go only on Vulcan, right? I would say that I feel like they should have a couple atlases under their belt, but also I don't know. Outline? So actually, you know what? I think it's supposed to go on one of the early Vulcan flights. That would make sense. That would make sense. So as a part of the new commercial resupply services. That would make sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So do it anyhow. I don't remember what 0.4 was. So I'm basically, I'm hard on blue. And the Twitter community is like, yeah, down with blue. Blue sucks. You need to listen to these tweets, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, oh yeah, I like this. I feel vindictive. Everyone's agreeing with me. This is great. Yeah. That's right. That's me. I said it. So yes. Right here. Yeah. Look at me. What did I say? So then they had their latest flight with Captain Kirk. And that's how I'm going to refer to him as Captain Kirk. Right? That's how you do that, right? Yeah. And it was, I thought it was going to be more gimmicky than it was. And don't get me wrong, it was a little bit of a gimmick. But when William Shatner, Captain Kirk, landed, and you could tell that the overview effect had fundamentally changed him. That was what, eight minute flight? Seven? I don't know how long it was. It was less than 10 minutes, right? Yeah. Is it a 10 minute flight and then a couple of minutes outside of the capsule? So like, we'll call it 10 minutes. Yeah. Right. So 10 minutes of his life, radically, a 10 minute experience appears to have radically changed his life. Yeah. And that, like, that's incredible. That's the overview effect, which I have never experienced, right? So I'm watching this happen. And I'm watching him try to comprehend and try to find the right words and struggling and actors, someone who lives with words, struggling to find the right words to talk about this thing. And I'm like, this is compelling. This is actually compelling content. And they kept broadcasting, which is not something I would normally expect Blue to do. I expect Blue to be very much so, like, on script. We can't do this. On script. Don't leave them, right? We're leaving the box. Yeah, exactly. So, but they didn't, they kept going. And there were some weird moments with Jeff Bezos and the champagne that I was like, but hang on, hang on, hang on. In his defense, in his defense, when you're in it, when you're in an emotional moment like that, you're not fully, it's an emotional moment for everyone. Not, and so, like, yeah, it's easy to armchair this stuff. But if you were there, you might have been excited and wanted to do that too. Like, I don't know. I wasn't there, you know, exactly. I wasn't there. It's part of the experience. It's part of the excitement. So I'm watching that. I'm like, and then they immediately released, like, three different promotional videos, like showing their hangar and showing the different people. And that's always my thing with aerospace. It is not about the rocket. It's about the people. Because we're, it's not about sending rockets to space. It's about sending humanity to space. It's about sending us. I want to go to space. I assume you want to go to space? Absolutely in a heartbeat. Ryan. I want to go to space. Actually, I should extend that really quickly. Just curious. Moon, yes or no? Yes. Would you go to the moon? Absolutely. Ryan. Yeah. But I wouldn't live there. But I would visit there. Oh, visit the moon. Okay, ready? For a couple weeks. Okay. Mars. Would you go to Mars? Yes. Okay. By the way, I would go to the moon too. You would go to Mars. I understand the length of the journey. Yeah. That's part of the, I enjoy plane rides. So it'd just be like a nine month long plane ride, but it's in space. What's not to love. You know, I've joked that going to Mars would be like basically an extended camping trip to the Mojave Desert. And that's like one of my big hobbies is camping and backpacking and stuff. So your poop hole is floating. Okay. But like there's an actual place to put the poop this time. Unlike what I'm out and about everywhere. And you're like, I guess I got to dig a hole now. You know, like you don't really do that on Mars. There's a place that you would actually do that at. So thankfully I wouldn't have to deal with that. That's fair. That's fair. So I would not go to Mars. I think Mars is incredible, but like I don't really enjoy camping that much. I would do glamping, but this is not glamping. This is going to be like, so I would not go to Mars myself. But the moon, absolutely. I could do, I could do two weeks or a week. I would say with Mars, it's basically like going in wagons in the pioneering days, going across. That's your level of safety that you're going to be at with that. And that's, you're either going to accept that or you're not. I've diverged us off our path. I was just curious. So, but you would live on Mars? Like you would go one way to Mars? Never was a hot internet. No, no, you won't have internet. Ryan, that's not how the internet works. Do you know the speed a lot of the way? Do you just give it, just give it a minute. Starlink, you know. Just give it a minute. Just give it a minute. Okay. I feel like we need to look at 60 on a Falcon 9. Nate says, Mars, Starlink. There we go. We're rusty, we're rusty just a little bit. So, okay. So I say these two things about blue. One is critical of blue, basically saying, you are failing us as a space community. You're not going to space. You're not doing anything great. Please do something. Please. We are begging you. We want to be inspired by you. And then I said another one and generally most people agreed. And some people were critical of that tweet, which is there. I think people can be critical of that tweet. Their work tends to be critical. Absolutely. Then I sent the other one was like actually blue. Thank you. I asked you to inspire me and you in fact inspired me. I think you did a really great job. These are the things I thought you were doing well. And my Twitter reaction was indirectly inverted. It was how dare you like blue is taking down the industry. Blue does nothing right. And I'm like, no, but they clearly do do things right. So that's what I wanted to talk about. Ten minutes in. That's my story. But like where is that coming from? Why shouldn't we as a space community be cheering blue on? And I can explain the argument they gave me, but like the question right now, shouldn't we be cheering them on? I would hope that we would be cheering everybody on. But one of the I feel like one of the major things that we need to look at as a space community is that there's been there has been an influx of relatively new folks kind of coming into the space community. So it's not necessarily something that has been like, Oh, just within the past two to three years, spaceflight as a as a pop culture phenomenon really kicked off, you know, a decade ago and really started bringing people in. And it sort of ended up becoming I want to call it like trench warfare, but you definitely picked your side as you were coming in. And Blue Origin was not really one that a lot of people picked simply because Blue Origin just didn't really say much of anything. And I feel like you realize blue's been around since before SpaceX. Yes. But so they're not a new entrance. They're not a new entrance, but they are new in getting their story out there because they've been, you know, heads down quietly. Nobody had known about their new shepherd booster flight until after. Are they heads down though? Not. It does not appear that way anymore. So here's the thing. Here's the thing though. Okay. So this is where I'm coming back to. They used to be very heads down. We're going to work on this. We're going to get this done. This is the way we're going to do it. And then all of a sudden within the past, whatever you want to call it, it's become like pot shot city from them. They've just taken aim at everybody and kind of let loose. And it's and that's just is not great. Like you, you have to have, you have to have the chops before you could start doing stuff like that. And it's really difficult to, to look at somebody who can't even get a full duration fire of their engine going, taking these pot shots at somebody. And it's, it just feels so gross, I guess is the way I would describe it. It's, it's not, it's disingenuous. You know, Jeff Bezos always mentions Gerard K O'Neill's The High Frontier as his like standard as to how he feels the spaceflight should be. Which by the way, how inspiring is that? Like if you listen to Jeff Bezos do his little, his vision thing, like that's really inspiring. It is. But I don't hear the leadership at Plue Origin talking about that. No, I'm trying to figure out which part, which chapter in The High Frontier talked about suing everybody and everything like that. I don't think Gerard K O'Neill talked about that back in that time. I don't, I don't recall that part. Maybe I missed it. Maybe there's like an extended version of it or something like that. But oh man, just like put up a shut up, you know. And if you're gonna, if you're gonna have a problem with everybody, you should at least be better than everybody. You know what I mean? Like Muhammad Ali, he could, he could run his mouth all he wanted because if he wanted to, he would just take out anybody he wanted to. He could just look at them and lay them out. So in this case, it's like watching some little kid just get really mad and stamp their feet and then throw shade at everybody. And I feel like especially with the swing they took at Virgin Galactic, that was, there were some real low blows involved in that one. And it's just like, there's certain things that you just don't aim at out of respect for folks. It's not even respect. It's just like, it's cool. So I view it. So first off, there've been a great deal of things going on in that kind of. So Joseph Gruber says, that's what happens when you hire executive leadership from legacy space, right? So not, I mean, and that's Bob Smith. He was the CEO of Blue. And I think that's a key differentiator between Blue and, and I think this is something that the general internet doesn't seem to understand. You know, you look at SpaceX and you look at Elon Musk. Elon Musk is tightly integrated in SpaceX, right? He's the founder. He's the CEO. He's the CTO. I mean, he is, he makes the technical decisions and the executive decisions at that company. He has the eyes. Yeah. And he's very deeply integrated into that. I would, you know, I always feel remiss if I don't mention Gwen Shotwell as well. Because like, Because she's first of all amazing. She is amazing. I think that that's the secret sauce at SpaceX is kind of the pair of them. It's kind of like Walt and Roy Disney. If I could parallel it to things like you have the two of them together and it's just this unstoppable machine. And I think, I think the two of them together are what create that success. But Jeff Bezos is not that at Blue Origin. He is not the chief technical officer. He is not directly poking his finger in for day to day operations. Not like Elon does. Not even close. Jeff Bezos is basically the checkbook. And I know I have many engineer friends that work at Blue and they're all phenomenal engineers. Yeah. Right. And that's the thing that kills me is I know these, they're these crazy talented people that are working at Blue. There's a trim, as I said on Twitter, you know, a couple of times, there's an amazing disparity between the people I know who work at Blue and like what Blue is doing publicly in terms of the way they're interacting with other. And I think it starts at the top of Blue. But the top is not Jeff Bezos. Jeff Bezos is the checkbook. The top is Bob Smith. Right. Yeah. So and he came from Honeywell Aerospace. Internet. That's a good question. Yeah, I was going to say chat room. Chat room helped me out. I want to say that's where he came from. And like it's definitely an old space Honeywell. It came from Honeywell. It's definitely an old space way of looking at things. Yeah. Thank you, chat room. And actually Johnny Spacer did contribute. So thank you very much for the $5 contribution. But Johnny Spacer asks, OK, so what happens to SpaceX if Elon becomes incapacitated tomorrow? Money goal culture. You know, again, it's it's a I do think it's a partnership between Gwen and Elon. And I think I have no doubt in Gwen's abilities whatsoever to pick up the reins and continue moving forwarding ahead. Obviously, there's going to be there would be a cultural shift, which would be necessary. But yeah, I think they've set up the company really well for success, no matter what happens. I honestly feel like sometimes that Gwen is even just a little bit more important than Elon. Yeah, she's the secret sauce. She's talked about a lot, but like she's the secret sauce. She had to sell a whole bunch of companies on the idea of riding a rocket that's already gone to space. Because now it's normal. Now it's a now it's an everyday thing. It's almost like, wait, you threw it away? Why? What did you? What are you doing? This is why I don't like. Oh, it's the Air Force. Gotcha. This is why I don't like smart ULA smart, like they're throwing most of the rocket away. Just they are just laying the rocket. Don't make it come. Don't do who cares. Stop it. Just land physics. Physics dictates what you're supposed to do to land a rocket. Nobody can get around that. Sorry. So of course, it's going to look exactly like a Falcon Island landing. Yeah, right. So it's large and sucked it up. Well, they're apparently, apparently going to suck it up. Ryan. So maybe. Yeah, who knows. But yeah, it's just like, you know, shuttle and Buran, of course, they look the same because that's what the physics dictate. So like just shut up and go do it. Right. I think there's a little more of that one. Okay. So first of all, don't you dare insult my Buran like that? I don't think that's quite. I don't think that's just physics there. Okay. Well, okay, I will, you can have your own opinion and I'll just sit over here with Ryan. I miss live shows. Oh my God. I really miss live shows. Yeah, yeah. You can land it once. Oh, so. This is interesting. I did not know this. According to Joseph, again, speaking of United Launch Alliance, they let their unvaccinated employees go today, which I mean, I guess it kind of makes sense because there's the federal stuff that might be coming down the wire. But then even on top of that, it's kind of a pain in the butt for the unvaccinated people that if they're at least working at Cape Canaveral, if they have to go through the Kennedy side, like there's this constant testing that is required to occur for unvaccinated people and ULA might have been like, yeah, we don't want to deal with that. Yeah. Just reaches a point where it's economically unfeasible, which I actually do believe it like it is, it is someone's personal choice not to get vaccinated. I will, I will support their personal choice not to do it, but that also means that they have to deal with the consequences of that choice. And the companies also have the choice to remove those people from their company. So I will defend a person's ability to not get vaccinated until I'm blue in the faith. Faith? Faith? There we go. But I will also defend a company's right to remove those people similarly. Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions. I know, right? Well, this got weird and started talking. You're not wrong. Episode one back, we just lost half our viewers for some reason. Thoughts on blue partnering with, so Michael asks thoughts on blue partnering with Sierra Nevada. Are they partying with her? Did I miss that? So I have been exceptionally heads down orbital company X. So blue just announced a thing called orbital reef, which is going to be their commercial space station. I did see that. They've got a ton of partners, actually really good partners too. People that I think are companies that I think are really good like up and coming stuff like Redwire. They're going to be working with Redwire to do a lot of 3D printing and testing and other things like that on orbit. They're also going to be using Sierra Nevada or Sierra. Is it Sierra space? I always call them Sierra Nevada. It's just beer. It's not actually Sierra space. Yeah, I think. Wait, wait, Sierra Nevada became Sierra. Again, I have been heads down. I missed a lot of stuff. Sierra Nevada, Sierra space, you know? It's so difficult because I get the mountains, the beer and the space plane. Like those are the three things that I think of. Like, but you know, I guess Sierra space. With everybody in their chat rooms, like shut up Jared. Sierra space. Oh, yeah. Hold up. We've got silence. Silence. Silence? Yes. Be quiet. Also Boeing, because they're going to, you know, they're going to have Starliner get to get the cruise up there sometime around 2040, 2050. You know, I am cheering Boeing on. I'm not anti Boeing, but like, how much more did they get for Schedule Assurance? Two billion. Schedule Assurance. That's why they got it. Schedule Assurance. Yes, I know. And well, they're assuring that it's going to arrive on somebody's schedule. I don't know who's, but, or maybe it was Schedule Assurance for a behind schedule. I don't know. So get someone to come on and talk about that. Schedule Assurance. Yeah. Or if you know a Teflon expert. So this got weird real quick. Yeah. All right. Well, I'm just saying we could send them one. Anyways, actually Alejandro says the Boeing delays up to this point are so sad that one only has to laugh to cope with it. And I kind of like it's not just yeah. So Ryan's laughing. Exactly. I don't. I mean, it's funny, but also at the same time, it's pretty damn annoying. Right. Well, what about we're, but I also am like, okay, at least we're like thinking about safety here. So that's nice. So I don't feel like Boeing space has ever really not thought about safety. Well, I have I'm going to categorize Boeing. Sure, definitely. Yeah. It's just nice to have that safety that safety culture on display. You know, I imagine if something like this was happening in early 80s NASA, we would be having a radically different conversation about what may be occurring. Yeah, maybe. Well, I yeah, maybe I guess there would be a lot of schedule push. Yeah. Early as 80. I mean, there was wasn't there. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah. Yeah. So say like human lives are at stake. So I don't disagree with their decision, but at the same time, Schedule Assurance. Yes. Right. That's the part that I have a hard time with. There's something to be said about, you know. And their orange rocket, right? Like they're they're also doing the orange rocket. They're also doing the big orange rocket, which is slipped again. Yes. Yep. So yeah. Okay. We've talked about my stuff for like 20 minutes now. I I just found it. Yeah. But also you were talking about, you know, we talked about all the bad stuff that Blue did, but what about the good stuff that Blue did? I did mention the good stuff like, you know, the the what that last webcast when they when they showed William Shatner. Yeah. When we they brought out the additional videos when they actually inspired me. Right? Yeah. Artists sum it up like, if artists sum it up, the first tweet was you're not inspiring. And the second tweet was, oh, actually. Actually, good job. You know, hey, you hit it. Actually, yeah, that was inspiring. I enjoyed that. Thank you very much. More of this please. And and I got absolutely roasted on Twitter for saying good job, Blue. Yeah. Absolutely. I know I saw it. Yeah. Because it wasn't because it wasn't SpaceX. And like that's not how aerospace should work. We should be cheering on our successes. And we can be critical of the things I was critical of Blue. I will continue to be critical of Blue. I will as best I'm allowed to even be critical of the things for the company that I work at. There's a difference, though, and everyone needs to understand that. Yeah. I don't tweet about the company I work at. I don't tweet the good things and I don't tweet the bad things. I don't talk about it on the live show. I don't talk about it with anyone. I can't. So I can't be critical publicly, but that doesn't mean I'm not privately, right? And I doesn't mean that I'm not cheering things on privately, too. That's just how that goes. And then people are like, oh, you know, SpaceX show because, you know, engineer SpaceX is like, well, no, I'm not allowed to talk about this stuff. Which speaking of disclaimer, my views and opinions on the show are, of course, my own and not that of my company. I feel like I have to say that. Ditto. Yeah, exactly. So everyone use common sense here. These are our own personal opinions. Yeah. So here's the fun thing. So Dutta is here. He does not have a camera right now. Yeah. So he can't, his camera's broken, but there's the camera. That literally is the Dutta camera. Oh, no. But then on top of that, if he tries to go ahead, try. Try to use your microphone really quick. Hi. So, so you don't get any. Well, the best part is that, you know, considering what Dutta's wearing today, we could just say the camera's zoomed in really close. We just accidentally forgot to zoom it out. He's wearing a black shirt. Yeah. All right. That's pretty funny. M says, oh, it won't go. Oh, it's going too fast. M says, Dutta, you looking fine. All right. So that was my thing with Blue. And I think I'm sad at the space community for not being better than that. Yeah. I feel like we should be, and I think I tweeted this, we should be the best of humanity. We should, if we're going to be the ones, if Ryan's going to be the one going to Mars, because I'm not. Ryan is helping to repopulate. You know how fantastic it is when I get that with my Starlink into that. With your Starlink, yeah. That definitely isn't the case. Well, yeah, we'll just, we'll chat in real time back and forth with no delay. It'll be great. I don't know if you know this, Starlink folds space time onto itself so that there's no delay. There's no latency between. That's the technology that won't tell us about. That's amazing. So, was that one of your news updates, Ryan? Was that? Yeah. Yeah, that was? All right. Yeah. Yeah. So, actually, this is a Raul says, you know, Team Space. And I had mentioned that too. I said, I don't understand what happened to Hashtag Team Space. And then some people on Twitter basically came back saying, yes, become a choke, because everyone's all like Team Space. Like they've become in their own camp. Of like, this is the this is the space team that I want to have win. You can see there's there's right now there's like an SLS camp. And they kind of play like, oh, well, we support all rockets, but you should also support SLS. It's like, well, look, we can be critical of the things that don't work in all of these things. Yeah. There is a lot to be critical about about the space launch system. Like politics, like why they chose certain things was not done by engineering. It was done by Congress. It was an act of Congress to put solid motors on that thing. That doesn't make any sense. You can be critical. You can be critical of these things. Maybe it was the right engineering decision. We won't know. The engineers didn't make it. It was definitely not the first rocket designed by lawyers. That's my problem with the space launch system fundamentally. But you know what? Pretty incredible capacity to the moon. Yeah. It's got a little bit to TLI. Just a little bit. It has some capability. That's really, really cool. And we shouldn't be poo-pooing that capability. We should be going, yeah, you know what? If we want to get to the moon, if we want to send Ryan to Mars. This is turning into sending Ryan to Mars. I don't know. I mean, if I could say something positive about space launch system, I'm really bummed that Europa Clipper got moved off of it because space launch system is going to be able to do direct assent to Jupiter for that mission. Where did Europa Clipper get moved to? Falcon Heavy. So, yeah. So now it's going to have to peddle around the inner solar system for five, six years and then get there. You'd think that I would have known that. But again, I'm so excited. Sorry, it's all right. That's what me and Ryan are here for. Yeah, exactly. Exactly, thank you. Because you don't know that. No, I really didn't. I really didn't. If it's not the very next launch, I have no idea what's going on. It's just, I'm so underwater right now. Also, I like the paint job that they had on it. It was very moon raker-ish. And I was like, oh, that's cool. So we're supporting missions now based on the paint job. That's... Why not? Okay. I'm hoping that they do some cool stuff with Vulcan. So that'd be pretty neat. Oh, that would be cool. Like you want me to care? Make it look cool. Actually, you know what? You're not wrong. Like that is a way to get people inspired. Simply make it look cool. I want a shark mouth back on the rocket. That's actually another gripe I have with Blue Origin's launch site in Texas, is that it looks like it's straight out in 1988. Right? Oh, I don't even think that. I think it looks like... It looks like it's scaffolding in the middle of the desert. Right. And then that's because that's what it is. To me, it looks like... Right? Yeah. It looks like old barnstormers from the 1920s rolling through the town. It's even better. I think it's even called Corn Ranch. They should just move their launch over to the... What are they? Slick 41? No, that's not right. Slick 36, I believe. 30 something, yeah. Yeah, Florida. Oh, Dada brought up the big orange rocket. Flowrida. Yeah, and you can tell that's an animation because it's in flight. Just like Blue's. Sorry. Just like Blue's big rocket. So, wow. Nice. Oh, I love this one. Let's fund a Send Ryan DeMars campaign. The best part is, it's actually done in love, but it feels like it's done... That's why I love it so much. It's like, it's done because we care for ride. We're like, yeah, let's get him in Mars, but it sounds like... Let's send Ryan DeMars. Good Lord. Let's send him out of here. Get this child gone. All right, but legitimately, I've said this twice now. That's my thought on Blue Origin. I would love to know your thoughts. Like the comment, like, we are not well versed in the chat room right now, so I'm sorry. It's been a while. It's hard to multitask. I've been trying to get some stuff up there. Yeah, it's all over the place. Like, leave your comments down below. Like, I'm curious to what you think. And we'll all go back and kind of like comment to your comments. Yeah. I think let's get some conversations going. We'll give you our opinions after you give us your opinions. Exactly. It'll be an opinion fest. But I really want to understand why we have to hate on Blue. Why can't we celebrate their successes and then be critical of their failures? Why do we have to pick a team here? I mean, if you're doing things well, you should understand what you are good at and what you're bad at and work at those things, right? Speaking of things that they're bad at, let's talk about James Webb's telescope. That's a nice transition. Thanks, Jamie. I am very good at transitions now. No? Okay. Silence. Got it. Okay. I thought it was funny and only I did. So, James Webb's telescope. It is decades late. Finally. Yeah. This thing is like, how late is it? Is it like it's a decade late? Yeah, it's supposed to launch back in 2010 when they originally proposed it. I said a decade. I meant more than a decade. It's supposed to launch back in 2010 when they originally proposed it back in the early 90s in case you're wondering. Neat. It's been a bit of time. But, hey. It feels like Space Launch System 2.0 or Space Launch System, no. Space Launch System is James Webb 2.0. Is it? Yeah, I did come after it. Yeah, I came after. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of born out of constantly, like Space Launch System is like this phoenix that's born out of like the ashes of previous programs that never made it. Aries 5. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, the heavy lifter. It's a big old heavy lifter. Also an orange rocket. Anyhow, yeah. Yeah. So, James Webb. Whole bunch of orange rockets in that. So, thank you, Dada. There's a picture of... You can also tell that this isn't real because it looks complete. Well, it is complete. It's just really folded up now. Exactly. So, it really, really late. I know that there was some news that came out about James Webb because I saw it hit my Twitter feed. Yes. But that's all I saw. I saw the headlines and I didn't get any data. So, it's like, it's ready to... Is it encapsulated? Like, what's going on with James Webb? So, it's not encapsulated yet. It completed its trip down. Yeah, there it is. Thank you, Dada, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Please don't drop it. Well, we've all seen that photo, right? I think it was Noah N. That Lockheed Martin. They forgot to put the bolts on and tipped over and tipped over. And there's... I always love the little stanchions around it. They're like, okay, nobody get within three feet of it, please. We're still looking at this. So, yeah, it's finally happening. Oh, my gosh. It's like us waiting to come back for our shows. It's like, oh, my God, please. Please don't. Please, no. I don't even imagine. I saw somebody too in the chat room was like, oh, man, it would suck if that Ariane 5 fails. And I'm just like, can you shut up? Just stop saying these things. So, yeah. So, obviously, we've made it a very long time for James Webb. It was a space telescope that has basically an immense capability in the infrared, larger than Hubble, obviously. Hubble's 2.4 meters. If I remember correctly, James Webb is 6.5 meters, which is big. You want to see how to get an astronomer angry? Ready? Here we go. There's two ways to do it. This is one of them. So it's a replacement to Hubble then? Yes, actually. So not entirely a replacement, but it can actually do things that Hubble does. Because, look, you got me so mad. I couldn't think there for a second. I actually thought that would upset you. I thought you'd be like, you know, flipping tables. Not entirely. I mean, it's a different capability than Hubble. So it's not really replacing Hubble. But at the same time, Hubble could do near infrared, and James Webb will also be doing near infrared. And you can actually do observations together, co-observations at the same time. I'm just going to call them co-observations at the same time, which is really cool. Well, since it replaces Hubble, we can just do orbit Hubble. We don't need to do that. We'll let Hubble go until it dies. So, no, we're going to run Hubble into the ground. Because it's getting close to that time anyhow. It wasn't supposed to. Well, I mean, Hubble wasn't even supposed to last this long. The hate's doing pretty good for having no shuttle to visit it. But yeah, James Webb, they shipped it from here in LA down to French Guiana, where it's going to launch from. Ariane 5, right? The Ariane 5. Yes. It was really fun because they didn't really say what boat it was on, and they didn't really say what time it left LA. Because they didn't actually want pirates to try to capture it and ransom it. And that is no joke. They actually did not want that to happen. Yeah. Isn't that wild? Think about that. That's crazy. Yeah. It's pretty nuts. But yeah, it's a $10 billion piece of machinery, so you don't want people to hijack that. And then... And there's one of them, right? That's it. So again, think of this stress on the launch controllers of that Ariane 5. Yes. By the way, if that wasn't enough for you, they had to change the payload fairing on the Ariane 5 because they were worried about the pressure differential when the payload fairing opens, possibly tearing the sheets that help insulate James Webb from the sun. Which is super important because they need... A little bit, slightly important. That's kind of his whole shtick. Yeah, because an infrared telescope has to be colder than the objects it's looking at in order to see them. So, because that's how it works. So that means James Webb has got to be ridiculously cold. Yeah, there you go. Ain't that nice? Yeah, I would say freakishly cold. Yeah, it's like down to like, I think it's like minus 370 Fahrenheit. What is that in Celsius? Help me, please. Ryan. I know it's 70 Kelvin. So Ryan does the conversion for the rest of the world for us. Ryan is the one who has world standards for the show. And we just use this stupid imperial system because we're dumb Americans, exactly. Yeah, 70 Kelvin. Yep. See, I know Kelvin because of science. Well, Kelvin's just the same thing as Celsius. He's just got to take away, what is it, 273? So it's minus 203 degrees Celsius. Cool. All right. Thanks. Minus 203 degrees Celsius. Keeping something the size of a tennis court that cold for years of the time. So it's very complicated and you really... It's been in the fridge. Yeah. Well, that's what we're doing. The space is the ultimate fridge, especially when you put something in the shadow. That is like the title of the show. Space is the ultimate fridge. Well, you know, that's kind of how it works. And they had to figure that out. And then they were having to make sure that payload fairing was actually working. So the last two launches of Ariane 5s, which have been commercial launches, they've used the specific payload fairing to make sure that it actually works. Oh, that's cool. So yeah, it's kind of terrifying to think about that because they were still like, I think we have to look at the data a little bit more. But now they're at the point where they're like, okay, we're comfortable with this and now we're going to launch it. I believe December 18th is the official day for launch. I believe they have something like 11 days of margin right now in terms of being able to hit December 18th before they have to start the lane. But you know, they should do. They should take James Webb and place it on space, the first launch of space launch system because it can do a direct. Direct asset to L2. Yeah. I think there's nothing wrong with this idea whatsoever. Yeah, except like, you know, you kind of can't, you know, switch. Too bad. That's too bad. It was such a good idea. Yeah. It was such a good idea. Unfortunately, that's not how physics works. There was a question from Cod New Space, which is whether any updates on the James Webb space telescope to make its hardware more modern now that it's been delayed like better image sensors? Well, and I will say that Vax in the chat room who is a longtime watcher and I must say Vax. So first off, I'll bring that up. He says the optics are 4k, but more importantly, Vax, I love your new logo. Yeah, that's a good one. Isn't that a great solid? It's a really clean. I love that logo. That's good. Yeah. But so, OK, optics are 4k, but to your point, this thing was designed in the 90s. Yes, but the thing about James Webb is that even though this was designed in the 90s, the instrumentation came out in the late 2000s, early 2010s, because of all the delays and everything that happened with it. So it's good. But the thing about James Webb is that most of what James Webb is doing has never been done before. So it's not like these instruments were there to begin with. So that's really where most of the cost of James Webb comes from, which is the fact that basically astronomers were like, we need to do something that has never been done before on a scale that's never been done before in an environment that's never been done before. So let me ask you this, because this is a question I ask about a lot of stories, especially the news stories. Who cares? Like, what is what is James Webb getting me? Like, OK, Hubble, I can get some pretty pictures. Yes. I can be inspired by that and I can learn some stuff by you were effectively looking back in time with Hubble. Yes. What does James Webb get me for $10 billion? So for $10 billion, James Webb is going to give you an even deeper view back into the cosmos. So as you look... Can't we just zoom in and enhance on Hubble? No, we cannot. This isn't CSI. I wish it was, but it's not. So we could put cool sunglasses on, but unfortunately that's not how it's going to work. Yeah. Oh, no, the algorithm. So with the further you look back in time in our universe, the more red shifted that light is going to be. So the more towards red it's going to be. Eventually it reaches a point where, yes indeed, it is into the infrared. So that means that Hubble can only really look so far back. Hubble has stretched itself to its limits. It has had no right to look back as far as it has, but it has with upgrades throughout the shuttle program and working on development of software here on the ground. It can go back about 13.1 billion years. They're about. So we're talking about 600 million years after the unintended rapid expansion of our universe. And or was it intended? I don't know. And that's not for me to answer. Also, I don't care. The threw me off with that one. You're welcome. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. That is mine. That is my superpower is derailing my own show. It's okay. We love you for it. Thank you. So James Webb is going to go back about 300 million more years. So Hubble is the first galaxies that we're able to see. James Webb is probably going to be able to reach back to the first stars somewhere in there. So we're going to see how the universe was acting when those big clouds of hydrogen were finally coming together and making the elements that you and I are made out of. And that's pretty darn important because that allows us to look at physics that you and I have to deal with every single day. That allows us to check those physics. I hate physics so much. That also may allow us to look at different things as well in that physics and figure things out from that. Sarah wants to know if it can study exoplanets. Yes. So that's another thing I was going to get to with that there. You're welcome. Thank you, Sarah. Thank you so much, Sarah. You helped definitely appreciate it. Yeah. So we'll be able to study exoplanets because it's in the infrared. It should be able to actually look at the atmospheres of certain exoplanets. So those that are relatively close to us. So TESS, the Terrestrial Exoplanet Survey Satellite, is actually one of the things it's doing in looking for exoplanets is finding targets for the James Webb. And it's going to hopefully, I mean, we've already found a couple targets that look like they would be pretty good to look at with James Webb. And it's going to be able to not just look at those atmospheres. It's going to be able to figure out the composition of those atmospheres. And what's amazing too is that just because, you know, something is designed a certain way, that doesn't mean you can't enhance it. Even without going to it. We did that with Hubble, even if you ignore going to it, because we did that too. Yes, there were things that we did with Hubble that allowed it to work. So when Hubble launched in 1990, it had a problem with its mirror, but they used computer crunching and algorithms and software that by 1993, when they finally flew the mission, the first mission to repair and restore Hubble and put glasses on it, it was not actually that far off from where it needed to be. Sure. And what was really cool is that you also got some really nice stuff out of that, like software that's developed for hunting for cancer and MRIs and other stuff like that. So I mean, these things always seem like they're not related, but then you end up getting something really good out of it. Actually, that's a really good thing, right? Because now you can go, okay, well, Hubble helped us hunt for cancer. Yeah. And helped MRI machines. When I constantly am asking you, why do I care about any of this astronomy stuff? I almost said astrology. That's a good way to make me mad with that. I said there were two ways. That was the second way. You have to call you the astrologer of tomorrow. Yeah, I mean, it happens. I mean, you have a Griffith that even happens too. People will be like, wow, he's such a great astrologer. And I'm just like, Sorry. And so, you know, I'm constantly asking, why is this like, how does astronomy help us? Right? Like, where is the betterment for humanity? It seems entirely esoteric, right? It seems that way. But then you talk about stuff like that. I'm like, oh, that directly impacts probably people you know. Yes, it does. My dad, you know, he had Lasik surgery, which the laser systems for Lasik were a direct descendant of the laser systems that were used to help correct Hubble's vision. So Hubble's vision was, as somebody I know who worked on CoStar, which was the instrument that fixed Hubble, it was fixed as good as physics would have allowed it to. So it could not have gotten any better than it did. And like to think about that, that kind of technology with that kind of laser alignment and the ability to be that precise with lasers, then being given to the public sector or private sector, because that's what NASA does. They make their stuff and then they say, hey, look, have fun. That's in fact, it's on their business cards. It's a logo. Yes, NASA. And then it says, hey, there you go. Look, have fun. Yeah, exactly. You know, my dad would have had a very difficult time seeing without those laser systems to perform as Lasik on him. So what's the deal with not wanting to call it James Webb anymore? I've also seen that in headlines and I have not been tracking that either. Did James Webb as a person do bad things? So it kind of depends on who you talk to. Because it's, you know, it's a... Let me ask it in society at the time in which he lived, because I think that context is important and I think we often forget that. You can't forget the surroundings in that society. Did he do bad things? So it's important to understand context of decisions. Obviously reasoning and other things like that. It's also, there's also something to be said about not lifting people up who have potentially done horrible heinous, absolutely terrible things to other folks. But it's, yeah, with James Webb, there's actually a multitude of things. It's not necessarily just his participation or potential participation, depending upon who you ask or which history book you read. I mean, what was called the lavender scare, which was basically in the 1950s with McCarthyism, in addition to being afraid of communists, the United States also got really afraid of people who weren't heterosexual. So, you know, obviously someone like me, that's kind of important amongst other things. You can all stare at me too. Yeah, with things like that. I think all of those boxes are like scaring that society. Yeah, quite a few. Even today, I think those boxes, yeah. Me too. Oh, we lost a ton of you. When I said I'm going to transition genders, I lost, we lost a ton of you as a model. Good, we don't need them here. No, you know, I guess, but like I am sad that that's what happened. Like, I wish they would have given me a chance because I think this doesn't matter. That's not a conversation for this show. Yeah. But like, yeah, okay. So, there's that aspect, but again, in what timeframe? Because... The 50s is when he would have been a part of this. But socially, it was very different in the 50s. Yes, it was radically different. And I'm not saying that's right, but I'm saying that that's the environment in which he was in. It's not an excuse, but it is an understanding as to why. Yeah, that's a great way of putting it. So, there's no excusing what he may have participated in. And I'm only saying what he may have participated in, simply because I have not read entirely about the subject. Fair. So, I cannot, I personally am not going to make a judgment on the show, simply because I have not actually read everything yet. So far to oversimplify this, we're angry because he was not LGBTQ plus, or am I, is that too simplified? One aspect of it. Okay. The other aspect, there's another aspect of it, which is that he's James Webb. So, he is not an astronomer. He's a NASA administrator. Okay, yeah. So, why should we name a space telescope after a NASA administrator? Okay, that's actually kind of fair. I feel like that is an extremely fair argument. Like, yeah, it should be after an astronomer. Yeah, and also, and you know, he did a lot of good stuff. He was around in NASA with Apollo. And there is a little bit of credence, I guess, if you want to, in that James Webb fought with Congress because Congress wanted to cut off science entirely from NASA. They wanted NASA strictly to be Project Apollo, and you're going to stick with landing a crew on the moon. Don't dittle-dattle with none of this science crap. And Webb stuck his neck out to make sure that science would not be chopped off of the budget. Okay, well, hold on, but then, but now it's kind of like, okay, he is not an astronomer, but like, if he's promoting science inside of NASA, and I'm kind of leaning back towards like, this is a scientific mission. Yes, it is a scientific mission. But then they get back to how the decision was made to name the telescope as well. So how was this decision? So back in 2003, Sean O'Keeffe, who was the NASA administrator at that time, he basically made the decision himself. So didn't ask astronomers or scientists or other people what it should be called. He who funded it, though, sort of made that happen. Well, the taxpayer is obviously. Okay, but yeah, but is it a NASA mission? Yes, it is a NASA mission, with also with ESA, the European Space Agency, contributing instrumentation in a launch vehicle. Based on what you said, I've stopped thinking that this is a thing we should be worried about. Like, I think the science on the instrument is far greater than the name. And it doesn't, like, I'm not, certainly not an expert in any of this, but like, using content, like, I'm not going to say being LGBT plus phobic or whatever it is, is ever good for anyone in history, but you also, you have to understand the time that people are going up in. You have to understand the context of all of that. When you take all of that into account, I don't think we should diminish people, the good that people have done because of the social expectations at that time. That doesn't make sense to me. Yeah, it's tough. So it is tough. And it's not, it's not one and zero. It's not binary. It's such a tough call. It's a whole bunch of stuff in between, but it seems like this is a silly conversation that we're having on a really incredible instrument. Yeah, and the thing about it, too, is that there have been people, like, high-ranking astronomers who have resigned from NASA boards because of the name. NASA did a full investigation to look at James Webb and had their chief historian and everything looked into him and basically said, like, we're not going to change the name because we couldn't turn anything up on our own. So we're just going to kind of... I mean, is there a right to resign if they don't like it that much, but at the same time, it seems like a silly reason to resign. Yeah, I mean, I don't really know what to call it. If it had a different name, if there was a really good different name proposed, maybe, so I saw somebody on Twitter was like, we should just call it the Just Wonderful Space Telescope, but I was like, well, no, that doesn't... It's like, if something goes wrong on it, that's not going to sound all that great. Like, Just Wonderful, it went wrong. How about the tax money holes telescope? TMT. TMHD. Well, TMT has already taken 30-meter telescope, so wherever we're going to end up building that one. So I don't know where we're going to build that one. That's a whole other can of worms we can open with that one. So basically, astronomy, I almost said astrology, and astronomy is basically a giant can of worms constantly. So what I'm getting is astronomers like to complain about things. Yes. Great. Hard to get around that. So in the case of this, we're not going to get into the 30-meter telescope today, but there are some very valid concerns in that one in terms of taking advantage of people and things like that. So yeah, 30-meter telescope, very difficult. For me personally, at least very difficult to justify. A lot of the things that the scientific community would be saying about it. But I do want to say for James Webb, it wasn't originally going to be called the next generation telescope. Access of good name. I think that's a pretty darn good name. I like that more than James Webb. I think it's more inspiring than James Webb. So I don't know if in space news we're going to call it the next generation telescope or not because then nobody's going to know what the heck I'm talking about. No, I mean if its name is James Webb. Yeah, I'd have to call it the James Webb stuff. Yeah, whatever NASA wants to call it. I guess we'll have to stick with that. So you're going to be excited about this. Yes. You're probably not going to fly down to French Guiana to watch it. So what is your watching point? Because you are a rocket launch fanatic. I'm assuming that you're going to be a part of Jaredhead party of sorts. Probably. Ryan, do you care at all? Is this one of those things where you're like, oh, I need James Webb? I don't know. Do you know when the launch time is? If I'm awake, then I'll watch it. Well, yeah, but that's true of any launch for you. So basically this is like a regular launch for you. This is a world changing event for you in a regular, like I don't care. This is like a once in a generation kind of instrument. Once in a generation launch for you. So I will definitely be watching it, but it's not the launch that concerns me. So I mean, I'm already concerned about the launch. It's the fact that it's first of all, it's taking 30 days to get the L2. So because obviously it takes time to get there. But the whole dang thing has to unfold. So and like your stuff doesn't work. You can't go out and fix it. I feel, no, you're too far out. I feel like I'm not, I'm personally not super concerned with the unfolding procedure. I think it's the cooling mechanism that like, if that thing isn't cold. Yeah. So if it isn't cold, if the cooling mechanism doesn't work, just being in the shade alone will still drop its temperature down. Obviously not to what did we say? 70 minus 203 Celsius, I'm sorry. 70 Kelvin. Sorry. Being a scientist, you just basically get used to Kelvin. I'm sorry. It's just the way it works because everybody uses Kelvin. So even here in the United States, we use Kelvin. So it's the one metric unit you do use. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you guys should pick up Ranki. So, I love that we're having a metric imperial war here. Like I only want to use imperial. You'll never win. Well, no, I already know we've lost. Like I accept that we've lost, but I'm still going to use it mostly to piss you off. Also Kelvin makes so much sense too because zero is like everything's not doing anything at that point. And then you just go up from there. So perfect. So the one thing I don't like about it is the 0.15, it's off from Celsius. If it was flat Celsius, just colder, then that would be so much better. I don't know what to tell you. But it has to have that 0.15. Yeah, I don't know what to tell you. But yeah, I'm going to be so scared for that deployment thing. And also too, a lot of people will say, we'll just send out a robot to go to James Webb. I have an interesting idea. But you can't. Why? Because those launch systems. So space launch system, whatever, whatever launches it off to this super chilled vehicle. Right? OK, if you're approaching this vehicle, you're going to be firing thrusters, right? Yeah, guess what the gas on that thruster is going to do as soon as it finds something at minus 370. Excuse me, minus 203. Could you use solar sales in some creative way? I don't know. You know, I'm just saying they're a lot of room. I'm scared. You're allowed to just. Please hold my hand. Jared, this is a multi-party event for you, right? So you got a launch party, you've got a L2 party, then you've got an unfolding party, which I think I brought up on the screen earlier. It's like six months out. I was going to say six months out. No, it is, right? Like the deployment is six months, isn't it? Six months? No, it's so over 30 days. And then there will be L2. Like the full deployment and like activate. So the deployment will occur over about 29 days. So a full deployment is 29 days. And then there's a commissioning period of six months. So it's basically testing, dialing in everything. OK, so six months. So basically we're all agreeing in six months. James Webb is launching not aligned. The mirrors are not aligned on it. They're going to actually dial in the mirrors as soon as they get to the area. So they're going to look at, they're literally going to look at a star. There's going to be like multiple reflections of it. And then they're going to move each individual mirror to put it in the optimum position. This reminds me of the craziest system I've ever heard. That I was like, there's no way this will work. And that is the sky crane. Yes. Right? Do you remember? Oh yeah. The right kind of crazy control room. Yep. I think we're all like, this is not working. There's no way you over engineered this. And it worked twice. I wasn't too worried about it. You know why I wasn't too worried about it? JPL. It's JPL. Yeah, you don't. Do you ever bet against JPL? Never bet against JPL. I never bet against JPL either. Never bet against JPL. Never, never. But this isn't JPL. No, this isn't. So a little different. This is... By the way, that actually, that is like, seriously. Yeah. Never bet against JPL. Nope. Ever. So even in movies, like in The Martian, you don't bet against JPL in The Martian. Never. Nope. So why is Jamie sober? Well, we'll talk about the show. We'll talk about... So there are four segments in the show. I've done my segment. Jared's done his segment. You were wrapping up on your segment, right? Like, I don't want to cut you off early. But like... Oh yeah, I'm done. I'm spent. I've got too much adrenaline. My adrenal glands are done now. So I'm going to turn it over to Ryan. Yeah. I think we're going to talk a little bit about SpaceX and what you're excited about with SpaceX with my... I can't really talk about SpaceX. I mean, I got one more thing I can talk about towards the end, but that should be a little bit later. Oh, you can talk about it now if you want to. Or is it James Webb related? It's sort of... It's just Lucy, the Lucy mission, and it's solar array isn't latching. So yeah, just kind of a little bit of a bummer. I don't remember that mission. Yeah. So Lucy is a mission to the Trojan asteroids. These are asteroids that are in... Oh, I do remember that mission. Gravitational areas where it's balanced between Jupiter and the sun. And we think that these objects have been there for... This is basically the formation of the solar system whenever Jupiter reach that orbital area. So one of them is an alien ship. Probably. We'll find that out. We'll open up a Stargate or something. A Stargate, I guess. That makes sense. Yeah. We can only jump in. That'd be really cool. Have fun adventure, right? We can film it. You can do a live show about it. That'd be pretty great. But not in real time. So, right, Ryan? Could be like doing it on Mars. So... So what's the issue, though? A panel's not latching? Yeah. So one of its solar panels hasn't latched and it needs its solar panels because it's going out further than the orbit of Jupiter. When you say it's not latched, meaning it hasn't extended? Like it's not hooked on to keep it open and fully extended. So it's just flapping and then not wind? So we don't know. Because the thing is it doesn't have a camera that can look at it. And a lot of people I saw were arguing, like who are these engineers and how could they not put a camera... They didn't have me on staff. They didn't have me on staff. I fight... Hold up. No, no, no. This is how that... I cannot tell you. Remember I was saying, I can't talk publicly about this stuff and I have to make those internal... Yeah, yeah, that's what I internally fight for constantly. But it's a fair thing because weight. Weight and power. Yeah, exactly. So it's a hard sell. Because if that or science, that or payload, and you're like, I promise you're going to want this. I promise you want this. Also, Lucy's a 12-year mission, so the systems would have to last for 12 years. It's pretty hard to do that. So... Yeah, yeah. Radiation destroy sensors. Yeah, and like we're going out near Jupiter too, and there's some... You could get a little nasty out in that area. Jupiter 2 is 2001 Space Odyssey, isn't it? No, I don't think so. Jupiter, no, Jupiter. No, I think that's... Bear in mind... No, the space... By heart, right? The space... No, Jupiter 2 is... I don't know. The robot on the planet, the sci-fi series, Danger Will Robinson. I don't know. Lost in space. That's way before my time. Thank you, Johnny Spacer. Lost in space. There we go. There we go. So, yeah, it's one of those things where it's a bit of an unknown at the moment. They're trying to figure out what to do with it. It's not really affecting the solar panel too much. They're still getting about 90% of the power that they need. So it may end up being one of those things where they can actually just basically very carefully maneuver Lucy to still keep it as it is. Someone said to talk to Ryan because they're starting to feel bad for him. Yeah, and I was... Ryan, please. I was transitioning to Ryan and I was like, Ryan, I'm really interested in what you have to say. Go, Jared. Sorry, Ryan, please. That's what I did. That's what I did. I'm sorry. But seriously, we're talking about being inspired and it's hard to not be inspired by what SpaceX is doing right now, right? Yes. It's ridiculously cool. So, ready, go. Hang on, hang on. It's difficult for me to do transitions here because I can't really talk about this stuff. So I kind of have to rely on you and Jared. And it really... It's really hard because I can't say anything. I can't give away any facial things. So I just kind of have to sit here and be like, tell me cool things. Well, they haven't flown anything. Apart from Falcon 9, they haven't flown anything. But everything in Boca Chica, they've really been nailing down the ground equipment because Egon said that they want the orbital flight test to be coming pretty soon, I think, in the next month or two. Now, he said that before, like last year and it hasn't come yet. But this time, they've really been... There's tanks, there's mechazilla and the chopsticks to catch a super heavy coming in from... I don't know how high it's going up, but it's coming in hot. It's just this crazy contraption that somehow is going to catch a 9-meter-wide, 17-meter-tall booster. I don't know how it's going to work. I don't know if it is going to work. They're not going to do it for the first orbital flight test. They're going to land it in the ocean, which I think is pretty... Cowards. They could at least... Yes, they could at least try and land it. Why not? Also, people say it's not an orbital flight test because it isn't going to orbit. How is it going to get to Hawaii? It's an orbit once around. Yes, it's not going to complete an entire orbit around the Earth, but it is going to get there. It's just going to stop itself from getting back. It's landing in the sea near Hawaii. Yes, there's a lot of things. Are you in orbit if you don't do a full orbit around the Earth? You're still going at the velocity. You're just not getting back round. I feel like... I can't comment yet. I feel like this is... I do want to just say that now the name of the show is... I don't know how high it's going, but it's coming in hot. Like, that's my new quote. I love that one. I think the... Is it orbital or a suborbital flight? I feel like that's going to be the engineering dork equivalent of Is Pluto a planet? This is the stupid thing of like... It's dumb. Virgin Galactic doesn't go past the Karman line. It's like, well, do you know what the Karman line is? Well, 100 kilometers. No, it's not. No, it's not. The ex-spellic. With the accents. Who is Theodore von Karman? But like, yeah. But like, you know, that's not the Karman line. So, and then like... And the blue is all like, oh, 100 kilometers. You know, we made it to space. Yeah. This is a stupid, stupid argument, right? Like the overview effect that just inspired Shatner. That happens in Virgin Galactic. So, yeah, okay. So cool stuff with SpaceX. Yeah, cool stuff. So cool stuff is coming. Cool stuff is going to happen. It's just nobody really cares about the ground service equipment, which I think is really stupid. Well, yeah, why? Without that, the rocket can't launch. Well, it's not the thing that's on fire and going into space, is it? It's just sat there and stuff is puffing out of it with ventilation. But you're totally right. Nobody cares about it, but it's the most vital part of a rocket launch. If that's not there, the rocket can't launch. Do you hear this man? Do you hear this man? He speaks truth. I didn't say it. He said it. So he speaks truth. He speaks truth. Yep, that's right. So it's ground support equipment is everything. Because, I mean, your rocket doesn't fly without it, right? You have to ask follow-up questions. I really can't. Yeah, this is the awkward part of the show. I'm so sorry. I totally understand it. So, actually, Ryan, I wanted to ask something. Because since they're, since if I recall correctly, the design is basically to get the booster to land back on the launch pad or the launch ring, whatever you want to call it. Well, with the first animation that came out in 2015 or 2016 or whatever, they were going to get the super heavy or BFR or ITS or MCT or whatever they called it at that point. They wanted to, they wanted to land it. I feel the same way. They wanted to, they wanted to call it up. Hang on, Danny. Danny, did you bring that image up on screen yet? There you go. That's great. That's great. If you were expecting a serious space show, like with people in suits and stuff, no, we are here to have fun. Yeah, okay. Yeah. Okay, so. Go, go, go, go, go, go. Please Ryan, speak. I'm racking my brain. It's, it's great. So ITS, they wanted to land it back on the launch mount. Then I think SpaceX decided that was too hard. Let's not bother. Let's land it on a launch pad that's next to the launch. Let's go on. Let's land it on a pad that's next to the launch pad, get a crane and lift it up. This was 2017 or 18. So this would have been BFR. And now they're basically making a massive, I don't know how to describe it, apart from a blunt pair of scissors, which is going to go on the side of the, on the, it's there, they've moved it. It's on the side of the orbital launch tower. And now super heavy is going to come in and they're just going to fold it up and sort of catch it with the grid fins. And then they're not going to be folding the grid fins. They're going to be keeping them out the entire time, which I don't understand aerodynamic wise, but apparently it's going to work. And I want to see it work because it looks stupid cool. But yeah, they went from landing it there to land to get next to it and craning it on. And now they're going to land on the crane. It's going to be exciting in one way or another. So that's an Elon quote, isn't it? Yeah. So with the mechanical arms, is the GSE in them in the mechanical arms? Is that what it's doing? It's going to be like lining up with the systems, the refuel or something like that. That's what I, that's what I think they want to do. But they need to get this spot on. They have a little roll of things on the edge of the Mechazilla. So once the, I should probably get some props. I don't have any. But I do want to say, oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were going to take it. Once they have the booster in place, they'll be able to rotate it and translate it slightly. But it's not going to be able to be able to do anything massive. If Super Heavy doesn't land on the marks, they're done for. Gotcha. So I want to point out what time is it there, Ryan? Just past two in the morning. Just past two in the morning. Poor Ryan. Poor Ryan. That is dedication. So if you're wondering why it's taking him a moment to remember, things from 2017 with regards to SpaceX, which there are SpaceX nerds who are like, just hardcore nerd out over this. Excuse me. He's past two in the morning and he's on our live show. Which by the way, he wasn't planning on doing. I did that to him like three hours ago. I'm like, hey, hey, you want to be on the live show? Want to talk about SpaceX? He's like, that sounds fun. Yes, exactly. Fun. It's Jamie said it'd be fun. Ryan is a hero. Exactly. Yes. Very, very good. So, wow. So are they going to have, so with the orbital, not orbital, orbital once around flight test, whatever we're going to call it, 20 takes the hot, 20 goes. We'll figure out a cool t-shirt. We need a hashtag for this? I don't know. We can figure out a hashtag for it. Come up with a hashtag. 20 goes to Hawaii or something like that. I don't know. It's like, it's like Avid and Costello visit, whatever. I don't know. I don't see, these are the things I just, you're letting me go. So Ryan, are they going to have a full contingent of engines on Super Heavy and 20 with it on the orbital flight test? I believe so. They're going to, whether they, they're not going to be using them to their full maximum capacity. Yeah. Because they're not, they're not going to Mars. They're going to Hawaii. It's just, it is not Mars. They're not going the other way around the earth. You've got to remember that. New title for the show. They're going west, not east. But they, they are going to be like, I lost my train of thought. They're going to be lighting everything up. They're going for a full launch. Hopefully everything works. And you saw, there was a static fire the other day. They've got the, the RVAC engines working at the level. They're not meant to work. That would be the Raptor vacuum engine. Yes. The Raptor vacuums. They're meant to work in space. So the fact they've got them working already and they need to go to orbit, not orbit, once around sort of, I mean, they're getting there. They want to get there in a while. Close enough. We'll let them have it. That's the Virgin Galactic, right? Close enough. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Don't worry about it. Exactly. Look, it's in the contract that you signed. All right. So just. Also, by the way, I did write down, they're not going to Mars. They're going to Hawaii. You've got, you've got like two or three, like you alone. So one thing that I'm actually, like, very interested in with this is, oh no, is this, it was there and now it's gone. Orbital Aloha is what Lisa said. Oh, Orbital Aloha. I like that one. That's my favorite so far. That's pretty good. Yeah. Oh, the heat shield. Right. So what, so with, I just. I don't. So, okay, bring that on air. I don't understand why. So we can see this in our preview. Why? Give me an echo explanation as to what this is. What? That's what they're doing to land it. Oh, they're balancing a ball on a. Okay. What the hell is that? I don't even know what that is. No, we're moving past that. I, we're not. Was I supposed to have one of those as a child or like? I don't know. What is that? We've derailed. What century is that from? So. Oh, it's like the ice cream thing where you get the ball to fall in it. And you're like, oh, that's cool. So, oh, cool, cool. I didn't, I didn't realize I was doing SpaceX stuff when I was like three. Oh, yeah, you did. Yeah, yeah, you did. Oh, yeah, sure, I did. Oh, I wanted to ask this because I bet this is pretty contentious. So SpaceX wants to do a orbital flight in November. Is the FAA going to allow them to do that? The provisional document. I kind of figured something like that was going to happen, but, you know, so. Go for it. The provisional document that the FAA released, which I tirefully read through, they want permission, I think, from next year to get up to five orbital flights a year. So Elon has tweeted it's pending regulatory approval. So if the FAA get them, which they haven't flown anything for a while, I don't see why they wouldn't get them. I think the FAA, you never know. But they, I personally can't see any reason why the FAA wouldn't go for the November date. I think it would be more on a SpaceX side of things, getting things going, which it looks like they pretty much already have. Gotcha. So they're getting it together. All right, cool. I hope so. Yeah, I hope so too. I don't think it'd be a good idea to ignore it again. So that's usually not a good way to get somebody on your side with that there. Oh my gosh, what was another thing I wanted to ask about? Oh, yeah, Starlink. So is there any cool things happening with Starlink of late? Starlink itself. No new developments, really, with the actual network. They're launching. They're just getting it out there. They're basically just throwing 60 Starlink satellites at a time, or 58 with a rideshare every launch. They had a big pause window over the summer. They didn't fly anything for about two months. But they're getting back at it again. They're starting the polar shell. So they're launching out of Vandenberg. I think they've done one already and another one coming pretty soon next week, I think. So they are, they're just sort of trolling along with Starlink, getting it out there because that is one of the sources of income, which they're going to use to try and get to Mars. Gotcha. All right. So with all that considered, what is 2022 going to look like for SpaceX? I know I'm asking in October, but I just want to know. Because I don't think anyone knows the answer to that question, Jerry. I just want to go see a Starlink launch from Vandenberg. Can they just hurry up, please? They have one. I'll just try. One through two? Or was there one? I can't, I've lost track. Only been one so far. And I'm just, I want to, come on. No, and it wasn't foggy either. So did you go up for it? What's up? Did you go up to that launch? It wasn't foggy. No, I was, I was busy with other stuff. So I saw it from LA. So basically it's your fault you haven't seen one? Yes, it is. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to accept responsibility for it being my fault. This is America after all. Here's what we're going to do really quickly. What you couldn't see behind the scenes is Dada was trying to communicate with Jared, something about his microphone. Is that correct? So what did you want him to do? Tell us an echo voice. Rotate his microphone. Echo feedback voice. And you want it, okay. So Jared, see the shiny bit? Yeah. Shiny bit should be towards your mouth. Gotcha. So like that. Yep. That's what you want. Okay. Is that closer to what you want? Nobody told me this. Yes, but not directly into it. Sorry. Speak across it. Yeah. So like this, right? Gotcha. Yes. All right. So that was worth it. Yes. The thing is I just, I'm bad at charades. So you should have seen, like, Ryan was talking. It was amazing. He was giving, and then Jared's like, Yeah, I could not tell what the heck was going on. So, and like, it's so difficult too. Because like, I don't know charades. I can't read lips. Like, like, I think he should have just messed like texted me or something. We will fix that as microphone. So you don't get echo feedback. Basically, we just got to get him phones and that should fix it. And then maybe like a better microphone, something, something. You're wrong. No, don't even do that. You're hurting our ears. Yeah. No, everyone's. Dada has the power. I gave you permission once. You've used it three times. Permission revoked. Permission revoked. We should get Dada these delightfully wonderful headphones that we have here. Isn't it nice? We're wrapped on that SpaceX, right? Did you have more? I don't know. I don't want to like cut you off early. There isn't really anything else to talk about. You'll find out sometime next Monday on the news show. What's the news show? You get to actually scripted stuff. Not at two o'clock in the morning. So actually, it's cohesive. We just. We'll understand it better. Just shoot it. What's the news show? Just shoot it at 10. So actually, that's a really good transition into, I think, the last part of the show. I wanted to talk about the show itself, and I didn't want to do that up front, because I absolutely hate it when you've got a YouTube show where you talk for 10 minutes before getting into the content. So I tried to get into the content pretty quickly. You know, we've been off the air for quite a while, and I want to say thank you to both you. It's mostly been Ryan. No, it's been both of you. I will put a lot of it on Ryan, because Ryan said step up, not knowing a lot of what needed to be done, not honestly, not knowing who he's going to get into. And Ryan's just been unbelievably great. Everything we've asked Ryan to do. Absolutely. And I think, and make no mistake, the shows are still around because the two of you. And so I really personally appreciate it. Like this show is a passion project of mine. I think I mentioned that earlier. Maybe I did that pretty sure. I don't remember, but it's a passion project of mine. And being able to come back to my passion project and have a live show, a non-cohesive, fun, just space nerds hanging out. And by the way, that is what the show is supposed to be. You actually hit the nail on the head. Space News is a scripted show. You like you have a moment to gather all of your data, get all of your facts down on paper, figure out what you want to say. So you can say it in a cohesive way that people can understand. That is not what this show is. No, this show is a live show where we're three space nerds geeking out over space. We're going to get stuff wrong. We're going to have wrong opinions. We're going to get stuff right. We're going to have right opinions. It's the human part of space flight. And I think the two shows work with each other. I don't want to have the scripted portion in here. We've tried that for a really long time and it kind of sucks the soul out of the show. And I don't want to add this into Space News. I think they're independent shows that belong on tomorrow. And you have been, seriously, Ryan, you've been knocking it out of the park with that stuff. You may not know, but he's been going so far as looking at... He's like, I appreciate it, but seriously, it's 2.15 in the morning. Just let me go to bed. But he's been even looking at things of the best time to release the show, to help build audience space and user base and understanding working with thumbnails. We've been giving feedback and he's been like, oh yeah, absolutely. Like really, truly working well and helping to keep the shows alive. And I appreciate you giving a lot of the credit to him, but seriously, Jared, a lot of it's on you too. Like you both have been working really hard. I cannot tell you how much work goes into a single Space News episode. There's a ton of research that has to happen. There's scripting. You have to shoot it. You have to edit it. All the graphic work, it's a lot of work. And we don't do this full time. We do all of us do this just out of the love of it. At least I do. I don't want to put words in your mouth. I mean, it's just amazing that... Ryan's like, I used to love it, but I'm so tired. It's just great to be able to evangelize space to everybody. And this is a fantastic way to do it. And it's just, as we mentioned during our talk about blue, space flight brings out the best in humanity. And I think that's just something worthy, worth talking about and screaming from the mountaintops as loud as I can. Nate brings up a really good point in chat and he says, my favorite part of space flight is the discussions about space I get to have with my friends. That's what this show is. Yes. It's a bunch of friends. You are our friends and we like to bring him... We are rusty. Let's be clear. I did not integrate with the chat room nearly as much as I should have. It's difficult to do. But we want to hear your voice too. That's what this show will be. So if you're looking for a prim proper show that's live about space, that is not this. If you're looking for just to sit down and have a fun time, that's what this live show is. I don't... So we have not been on Patreon since we stopped the live shows. We've not been charging for news. We've not been posting anything. And I think I'm going to sunset Patreon. I do want your feedback and comments on that. Now I have several reasons for doing this, but I think the big one is there's really incredible integration with YouTube. Now I realize that there are some people who are not okay giving Google your money. Like you just don't want to do it. You don't trust Google. I get it. I understand. I get it. Yeah. But also I do have some concerns with Patreon as well with regards to how they treat my creator account. I went in and I actually asked them. I'm like they have a system where you can have multiple people logging in and so you would have your own account. You would have your account. I would have my account. We each have two factor authentication logging into the tomorrow account. And they're like nope. Nope. You have to be a really giant creator in order to get that particular feature. I'm like you have to be a big creator to have basic security. It doesn't make any sense to me. And so my concern is if they don't even offer basic security on the creator level what else is going on behind the scenes? Maybe nothing. Maybe nothing. I don't know. I'm just asking the question. And like with Google at least I kind of know what I'm getting. I do get. Yeah actually there are. So this is another good point. Joe asks don't you get a smaller cut from Google? I do. But here's the thing. With Google specifically YouTube memberships your experience and what you get as a user is far better than the experience from Patreon. Yeah I would prefer get a smaller cut and give you a better experience than get a bigger cut like get more money in my pocket and a lesser experience. So and actually Michael Baylor kind of you know YouTube integration is amazing but they take a higher percentage. Exactly. Exactly. And what's important to me is your experience and you getting engaged with the show and getting engaged with space. So my plan is to sunset Patreon. And I think all of our patrons who have been over there and supported this show over the years you know I make many changes to the show. I know everyone laughs. Yes you do. Yes I do. Well here's a fun little thing. I don't know if anyone really realizes this. A lot of the stuff I do with this show is testing for some of my other roles. I want to see what works. I noticed. A lot of it's technology based and you don't really see it on air. Some of it is not and it's like format based just to see what works. Some of it's chat but like I'm testing different things and seeing like what's going to work at scale. And I'll be frank like 95% of it doesn't work. But this is a sandbox that I get to play in. It's a great laboratory. It's a laboratory that I get to play in. Fantastic laboratory. It's a fantastic laboratory. So yeah anyhow sunset Patreon if you do want to support the show YouTube memberships is where it's at. And that's what we're going to use moving forward. Ryan brought up and I promised to do this and then I didn't. Oh Ryan. He brought up that I have not updated the citizen slates for like a year. An actual year. And then I said no problem. I'll take care of that. And then I promptly didn't. So that's on me. And so I don't have citizen slates for this show. I should. Actually Dada do you even have them in Casper? No. No. He's looking at me. Yeah he didn't remember. Fix it in post. Fix it. No. There will be no but that's the other thing. There will be no post. So if you want to see the pre-show and any sort of a post show that we do and he's going to bet for post show. Yes. I'm not going to let him stick around. Child you shall sleep. Any pre-show or post show. You are going to have to be a YouTube member for that and it's just going to be auto magical. You'll just get it. And that's actually one of the cool. He doesn't even have Casper open. Oh my god. That's going to be one of the cool things. Neat. Nice. Yeah Ryan's in England. That's going to be one of the cool things that you'll be able to get. Like you get actually Ryan mates. Again going to Ryan. Kicking button. Taking names over here. He made YouTube member icons for like one month. New member one month, six months, 12 months, 24 months. Yeah and actually I see some folks who are becoming members right now in our chat. So thank you all so much for doing that. I need to. So yeah we're going to have to go through. I'm pretty sure there were a few that I saw that I didn't get but you know. Oh that's a bummer. So if you became a member during this live show first off thank you. Secondly I'm sorry that I'm so rusty. I do want to bring, actually I'll ask Colton to build this in if he hasn't already. I want to bring up any time we have a new member or I want to make sure that it just automatically shows up on the screen. So everyone can. Yeah the only thing I don't like about that is I feel like new members get highlighted but then what happens to the old members. So it's really important to me to make sure that people who have been members with us and citizens are just rolling in now. Oh my god. Okay hang on hang on. I can do this really quickly. So Daniel became a member. Michael Baylor became a member. Harry became a member. Thanks Harry. Daniel became a member. Oh thanks Daniel. We also have, I don't know how to pronounce this. Jekai. Jekai Jones. Jekai. Became a member and Maddie became a member. Yeah absolutely. If you look at the membership right now you'll actually see there are two live streams going. One is this one and one is the one that happened an hour prior to this where you got to watch me set up poorly. You got to watch me interrupt while eating tacos. Yeah exactly. And you know I'm not, oh my, we have more. How you became a member? Hi, how you? Yeah, how you? How you became a member? So thank, and if I miss you, if I missed you and you became a member, email me jamie, j-a-m-i at t-m-r-o dot t-v. Let me know and I'll find a way to call you out on the next show because I do want to make sure that, hello, I do want to make sure that you get like called out, like I feel like it's rocket science. Roll call. It's rocket science bang, became a member. That confuses everyone because I'll say I'll be in the, I'll be in the video control room at Company X and I'll be like blah blah blah blah bang and a bang is an exclamation point and these young kids don't know what that means and they'll type in bang and I'm like, why don't type in bang, it's an exclamation point. You're on. Thanks Carlos. Carlos became a member. It's just everybody's going, going nuts. Thanks Joe, thanks Joe Bowden. So that's the plan for the show. You know, I think we're going to play with the format a little bit here and there. I will say this felt pretty good to me. Yeah, this was fun. This was fun. I don't, Ryan's tired so he doesn't know yet. He'll wake up tomorrow and figure it out. But this felt like, I think Yulupi, this felt like the old space vid cast days when it was Carrie Ann and I. And actually I'd like to talk about Carrie Ann really quickly. So God, that sounded like it was bad news. Well everybody, I should just leave it there. And not let anyone know. And they, thank you Jay Michael. So here's the deal, the original plan, I don't know if you saw me tweeting, yeah, I know, I scared and thank you Eka. Eka, Eka. Eka. Eka. I had talked about how Carrie Ann was going to be, and thank you Kim, was going to be on the show, was going to be me and Carrie Ann, just like old space vid cast days, because we've wanted that energy back. And I'm happy, I think we had that energy back. Dada, you agree? Yeah, yeah, thumbs up. No echo and feedback from Dada, just thumbs up. And we will fix that. I promise we'll fix that. I'll put a rush on that. Yeah. And with all the new members now, we can report head phones. This is how we do it, right? For $1 a day. So here's the thing with Carrie Ann. First off, the thing with the show is this has to be fun. It has to be something that you love doing, because it is a lot of work, right? And so Carrie Ann has always done this because she loves me, not because she loves the show. Yes. And there's a difference there. And she was more than happy to come back on the show, but I could just tell her heart wasn't in it. She was doing it for me, which is the wrong reason to do the show. And I don't want to make someone do something that they shouldn't be on the show if they just don't love it. And that is no knock on Carrie Ann whatsoever. It's just not her passion. It never has been. This has always been my baby. And so I kind of let her off the hook. And so I'm not going to thank you, Mario, Maru and thank you, Dave as well. I don't want to make Carrie Ann come to the show and she will do it gladly because she's an amazing person and she'll do it week after week and she'll do it without complaining. But she won't love it. And I don't think that's fair to her. And I kind of got that sense. And so I'm not banning her from the show. I'm not anything like that. But I only want her to come on if she's going to absolutely have a blast and truly enjoy love doing it. And I just don't think that's right now. And that's OK. And I hope everyone respects that and understands where that's coming from. And I hope you enjoyed. And thank you, Brian Simmons, for becoming a member on tomorrow or on YouTube. I hope everyone, and yeah, Steve says, I miss Carrie Ann, but the energy between the three of us is pretty great. Well, we're going to have to feed. If we're going to do this regularly, we have to feed Ryan and caffeine. Yeah, like there's no intravenous. Well, we'll have to give them some cosmic stardust, which is what I've been drinking. I thought about having one of those, but then there's a lot of caffeine. I was like, yeah, I saw the amount of caffeine on there. And I was like, I enjoy having a cardiovascular system that works. And as Smoke Scale says, Carrie Ann has a wit that I absolutely love. Oh, yeah, I can't outdo her wit. I have gained wit over the years because like I threw osmosis, right? Like she has made me a wittier person and I'm still a fraction of her wit. That is annoying. It is amazing. When Carrie Ann is on, it's amazing. It is. Think about Carrie Ann as she's on all the time. She's on all the... Well, no, so she can... Around us. Yeah, she can be when she's on, but that's draining, especially when it's something that you just don't... When you're not passionate about. So I just... Right now, I think the plan is to three of us, right? I mean, I'm going to let Ryan to... I do feel guilty for bringing him on to... You should feel bad. ...7 in the morning. You should feel exceptionally bad, Jamie. I do. We're going to let him go here shortly, but I don't think we're going to bring Carrie Ann back right now. The other person that always comes up is Space Mike and I appreciate... Like I have always respected Space Mike. I think he's a phenomenal person. I've always said I wish him the best of luck. I won't go into details, but he won't be coming back either. Well, not that Carrie Ann is not coming back, but like that relationship I think is... I don't know what he thinks of me because he might be pissed at me. I legitimately don't know. Yeah. I hope he's not. But like, yeah. Yeah, whatever he's up to, I hope it's going amazingly. Apparently it is. Like, I've heard that actually things are... And actually I do... Well, no, I don't want to get out. Like I have the utmost amount of respect for Mike. Absolutely. I always have had that amount of respect for Mike. I actually do understand all of the situation, or at least I think I do. I don't actually know that I do. But like, yeah, it was the right decision. It was a very difficult decision, and it was a really... Were you there when I had to make it? I don't remember. Yeah, that wasn't fun. No, it was not. No, I was not enjoying that particular decision. But it was the right call. And it remains the right call, and so we all love Space Mike. We all wish Space Mike the best of luck in life. But that's that. So there you go. Yeah, and actually this is a good point. Michael says he's how I learned about you. He was a phenomenal advocate. Absolutely phenomenal. He had great on-screen presence. I loved Space Mike hologram, where he would turn and look at the person talking. He was amazing when he was on that. He was amazing when he was on. Absolutely loved him. Yeah. So anyhow, the other questions are Athena and Jade. Not right now. I think there needs to be a focus on... There needs to be a focus on community, like creating a bond between us and you. That makes sense. Yeah. And in order to do that, we can't be rotating through hosts. No. I think it needs to be basically us and just us for a while so that we can create an on-screen dynamic and get used to each other because it takes a moment for us to figure out how to interact with each other. Sure does. Right? Or just change your sleep schedule. Or just change your sleep schedule. You know what? You can do... There's the Martian sleep schedule thing. What's that? Yeah, you should get ready for it. Yeah, yeah. 40 minutes. Oh yeah, you're going to Mars. Yeah. So you need to start doing the Martian sleep schedule every day. Exactly. So... Yeah, exactly. Get used to it. Get on it. So get on it. We got another new member. Thanks, Radu. Yep. Thank you very much. And so yeah, that's kind of where that's all is. And this is insane. Like I think this is what the show needs. The show just needs some regularity to it. And I know that I'm the fault for changing it constantly. My goal is not to... Always my goal with changing the show is to make it better or to test something and see if I can use it for even bigger and better things. And I think for now, I really like this format. I think this is where we're going to be. I've rambled on long enough about this. So there you go. Any final comments? You know what? I'm going to let Ryan go first so that we can get him off the line and then I think we'll end the show and then we'll continue through... For those of you who just became members, head over to the membership. Like go to the YouTube membership area. Click on the other live video when we're done. And you will see us continuing the conversation in there for a little while longer. I'm going to let him go to sleep though. So any final words, Ryan? Put him on the spot. He's going to be like, no. It's been... No. It's been fun. That was an emphatic thought. No, in the morning. It's been fun. I'm glad you had fun. Again, thank you so much for everything you've done for the show over the last, what, 20 months or so or 24 months? It's been a while. Yeah. You really have... You've kept us alive and you've done phenomenal work and we really appreciate it. On that note, I'm going to let you go to bed. Thank you so much for being on the air for so long and then we're going to continue. So for those of you watching live that are not members, thank you so much. This has been a... This has been the first live show back. No opens, no graphics, just us having some fun. Thank you, Bob. And for those of you who are members, we're just going to go into a post-show chat. This is just... I have no idea what it's going to be about. It may or may not be about space, just so you know. Yeah, just a heads up. So when you go into pre or post-show, the conversation is whatever it is. So here comes the logo. Thank you so much for watching and we'll see you next week.