 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, Justin, Adam, and I have our intro conversation for the first 36 minutes. It's my favorite part. It is our 72-hour fast update. Oh boy. Who's hungry? We just completed a 72-hour fast on Sunday. I don't know when this is airing. That's not true. I did 48. You did 48. That's right. My bad. Find out why. Find out why Adam didn't have the strength to get the fuck out of here. Then we talked about my son's basketball tournament. That was awesome. They got third place. Also, how Sal drugged his son with some cacao. I gave him some cacao bliss. Performance enhancement. Pre-workout. Did you like pixie dusted in there so he didn't know? I gave him a half a scoop as a performance enhancer. I think it might have worked. He seemed a little jazzed. We are sponsored by the makers of cacao bliss. 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Yeah, we need a more specific question. That's why. We need a more specific. We need a more open-ended. Right, right. What's your favorite thing? Things, humans, ideas. I went this way. It got out of hand. What's your favorite color? Oh, it can't be that because I said something else. Next question. Why do you think almost everyone starts on their health and fitness journey by going extreme? Why does everybody go super crazy before they try to find balance? I know who to blame. We break it down in this episode. And finally, what are our thoughts on the show fit too fat to fit? It seems to be getting good ratings. I think the guy's name is Drew who started it. Is it really? Yeah. So we talk about that episode, excuse me, that show and how it might be, it probably is a poor representation of true fitness and health. Find out what we think. Also, it's January. We've been talking about this now all month long. 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And one last thing, I want to comment to last 187. He said that he would give a million stars in iTunes, but it's limited to five, and he gave us four stars. What's wrong with that? Wow. Wow. That doesn't make any sense. Adam. Yo. You know you want it. I have hard evidence now. Hard. Hard evidence. I'm getting hard about your evidence. You got to do the clap. You know what people talk like that? It's getting hard now. So you know how the toilet's always getting plugged? Oh yeah. And we're always like, what the fuck? Yeah, right. Justin. It's clearly Justin. Dude. You just did it again. It's not even plugged. I was trying to get rid of the streaks to get rid of my evidence. That's what I was doing. Hello. You know what I mean? Put me on front street. Whatever. I go in there and we're laughing because one of the greatest, I don't think women do this. I hope they don't. One of the greatest things about being a man, there's a few awesome things about being a guy, let's be honest. And one of them is if you're ever in a stall and you're pooping next to your buddy. Yeah. Oh God, it's good times. Oh yeah. It's just fun conversation. It's pranks. No holds bar. Yeah, it's off the road. And so he's in there and he's talking about what's going on in there. And he's like, oh, the water's not going down. Oh, I gotta flush it. And I'm like, this guy's the one that flushes the toilets every time. Yeah. Knew it. I knew it. No, man. I had to wait until the bowl goes all the way up. I was trying to rush it. And that's what was happening. So how are you guys feeling post-fat? You guys both did the 72. I went 48. Yeah, me and Justin are strong-willed. Well, no, you know what? I told everybody, you know what I made the mistake? I did post it on my Instastory 72 hour fast begins because we were all talking about that day. But I told you guys on the podcast last time that I had intentions of probably going 48. Maybe I'd go 72. Yeah, you gave yourself an out. Yeah, you gave yourself an out. No, that's all good. It was your first time going lower than 24. Right, exactly. Not only that, but what I did do and what I've continued to maintain right now is so I ate, but I had chicken broth. Oh, I saw it. And a bowl of Brussels sprouts. Perfect. I had to finish the Brussels sprouts because and then later for dinner, I had Alaskan cod fish on a bed of zucchini and spinach. So I'm like still super locale. And I'm fasted this morning. So I'm going to... You're easing into it really well. Right. So instead of me doing like a hard 72 hour then bouncing out of it with maybe a burger or something right afterwards. Who does that? This guy. All the bus checking this morning. I was going to bring that up. I was like, fuck. I didn't even know that's how you did it. I was just giving an example. That's exactly what I did. That's exactly what I did. So I had bacon and fucking cheese on it. So I'm trying to stay in ketosis. It's what I'm trying to do is I'm trying to stay in ketosis and just kind of ease my way in. So let's back up a little bit. Let's talk about our experiences during the fast, what you guys noticed. If you guys noticed any good, any bad, any challenges. Day one was the hardest for sure. What did you notice? What was hard for about it? Well, day one, I think you're battling a lot with, am I really hungry or am I really trained myself this much to be used to eating these regular times? And so you have this. And I did. I got a little bit of a headache. I got some headaches. I had two headaches the first day, one earlier on the day when I probably hit that like 12 hour, 16 hour mark, and then one towards the evening time. Okay. So headaches came and then they went away. Yes. Let me tell you what I think they're from. And I watched your girls into the story and I saw she dealt with it a little bit. Now I have a theory on what mine is. What I noticed more than anything, even today, I am fucking ultra sensitive to everything right now. Like I couldn't have my cup of coffee on the way over here. On the way over here I had a little bit, I put a little bit of cream in my coffee like I normally do. Oh yeah, it's powerful now. Oh, and the cream is upsetting my stomach right now. And even when I had that chicken broth and Brussels sprouts, I couldn't finish the Brussels sprouts. There was enough ghee on there and heavy food on there, the calories on there that it really, I'm ultra sensitive. So I also noticed that when I got the headache, I had been kind of on my phone for a couple hours. I was looking at my phone working, emailing, writing stuff. So I think, and I remember this when I first started like using my phone a lot for this business, that I'd get these random headaches all the time. And I think it was just from looking at this screen, this small screen for long periods of time. And so I had that same feeling again during this fast. I don't think it's so much the fast. I think that my body is just so sensitive. I also, man, I smoked some weed. I was super high. I took my normal little two puffs and I had some of our cold brew. Oh dude, I was fucking zipping. What does that tell you? Yeah, it just shows you how much we oversaturate ourselves with these things. But what do you think is happening? It's downregulating. Oh, your receptors just fucking open up. So there's a few theories as to why some people feel shitty for the first day. So between one to three days is typically when people will feel shitty sometimes longer because I did a lot of research on prolonged fasts. In particular, I looked up what the Eastern Europeans talk about fasting because they've been using fasting medicinally for a long fucking time. And it's the first one to three days is the most common although it can happen a little longer than that where people will feel shitty and then a switch happens and all of a sudden they feel good during the fast. Now for me, I feel so far every time I've done a prolonged fast I feel great the whole time. There is no, I don't get headaches. I don't feel shitty. It's almost just I feel good all the way through. Jessica, who also did the fast the first day was kind of hard. She got a migraine the morning of the second day or the night in the morning of the second day tempted to take an ibuprofen because my girlfriend gets she has a history of migraines and she's had she was a child and they'll get so bad that she'll vomit like terrible, terrible, writhing pain. So she gets a little scared. So she started to get like, oh shit, am I getting them? Like it's a really bad headache right now. I'm gonna get one of those migraines and it never turned into that. She drank water. I gave her some black coffee because caffeine can help with that. She uses this really, really strong oil that you put on your head and it causes this like, it's almost like VIX, but it's way stronger and it creates this kind of cold sensation which distracts you from the pain so you feel like you don't have pain and it worked and then it went away. Then the third day she felt during the day early morning she felt kind of weak like just kind of tired but then the afternoon came and then a switch happened and it was like dramatic. She went from feeling kind of tired to feeling amazing and it's almost like you could clearly see oh, this is when the big switch is happening for you but there's a few different theories as to why. One of them is your body is digesting for lack of a better term digesting itself a little bit. There is cellatophagy. It is killing things off. Receptors are starting to up-regulate. You're going through a little withdrawal. You do get hypotension so your blood pressure does naturally drop when you don't have food so if you're on the floor and you get up real fast you might get a little dizzy. That can also cause headaches. For me personally I felt good throughout the whole thing. I had no hunger, felt lots of energy. I didn't lift weights at all. All I did was mobility and stretching. I don't think lifting weights would have been a good idea. I had plans to go in that direction. Definitely didn't do that but I was very active so I was out and about and doing things because I just found being outside and getting that nature connection and all that. I was gravitating towards it and so me and the boys spent the whole weekend outside in the forest and stuff and then spent a lot of time reading because I would wear myself out quickly. I just noticed that even the rigorous activity was like, oh my god, okay. That was a little too much. A little lightheaded. But yeah, going through this process same thing. I didn't really feel that much pain or discomfort or headaches or anything like that except for dinner time. So dinner time for me was a struggle. Because everybody's eating, but you... Yeah, and it's mainly because... Courtney didn't do it with you? She did but she was working this whole weekend. She wasn't there so I was preparing which I occasionally alternate with her with the kids but I was doing like cutting up all the food and giving it to them and the smells and everything and I was just like, it was tough. It kind of put me in that mode and then I had to kind of go on the couch and be like, hey, you guys have fun eating. But yeah, that was tough for both days for Friday and then Saturday somewhat but really wasn't as bad Saturday. Sunday I felt like a champion. I just felt like this rush of clarity and energy and just like, that must have been when the switch happened for me. What was Courtney's experience? She actually has gone through it without many interruptions. She worked and everything fine without any sort of headaches which last time she did she got really dizzy and lightheaded and this time I think she's doing fine. She's still, because she started a day later like last night she worked so today is when she's going to break her fast so I'll ask her what she's feeling today. But yeah, so far she told me she was like, I'm just fine with it. This is great. What about Katrina? Did she do it with you? Did she get anything at all? No, she felt pretty good. She actually was struggling with being hungry more than me. I was actually truth be told I probably would have pushed to 72 if she was down to ride to 72 but she was in my ear like the let's break and I'm like, no, I want to go at least 48 and then when I go 48 take it from there. Yeah, I'll go from there and so that's why I just did the chicken broth and the thing I'm like, I'm going to keep low for sure if we're going to break this fast at 48 because she was like down to go break the fast like Justin like let's go have a burger let's go do something and I'm like no, no, no, no for me this is the whole point of this for me was to kickstart my diet now you know, so I've been eating ever since the holidays. It's easier. Yeah, it is. Dude, right now I'm just I'm so since but here's the trip though and I watched her while she ate next to me she ate more than I did and I looked at her I'm like, you alright? And she's like, oh, I don't feel that good. I said, honey, look how much bigger I am than you and you saw me eat less than you right now you're super sensitive right now but it's crazy how quick you do that once you do that twice then you're already ready and now you're you've readjusted to this and I told her I said listen the meal she made my the next morning we had bacon and eggs and she made my usual four eggs, six pieces of bacon she all is just too much way too much I'm like and I knew and I caught myself eating it right and then feeling satisfied and then still wanting to finish the plate and I like push it aside I'm like, no, I need to enjoy the fact that my stomach has shrank a little bit that this fills me up and keeps me satisfied instead of pushing that and getting myself now just to it so you can see the process that people go through that we that we all do and how all of a sudden you you create this new you know, appetite or new portion size because you keep stretching the boundaries had I just stick to these little tiny portion sizes I'd be fine Oh, I got excited eating the burger but I got about halfway through and it was like it just hit me like a brick and I just had to stop and did you get the shits? No, I didn't I didn't I was fine I was everything was fine and even like so that was last night so this morning I felt like like an insane amount of energy this morning I was like up and ready to go but yeah, I I totally felt like oh my God, this is not going to sit well and I had to set a stop but yeah, it was I just just the idea of me eating in like it just elevated my mood like nothing else Yeah, the when you're fasted after a period of time your digestive system literally kind of goes to sleep it's almost like in this let's almost it's not hibernating okay, but it does go in the state where it's where it kind of is a little bit and to throw a bunch of food at it all at once not a good idea I've done that before I've done it before where I've broke a fast with a large meal like I normally would and I always get kind of sick afterwards the other thing too is when you're you know, while you're fast that you're drinking fluids you're drinking fluids then you eat the digestive system wakes up and sometimes what it does is it starts to evacuate what was in there before the food gets through it's getting rid of other stuff and you may actually find you have like loose stools and stuff like that initially that then become normal and the loose stools kind of I've talked to a lot of people kind of look different it's like old stuff coming out almost it's a very interesting process I did get the keto test strips which will test for the presence of ketones in your urine I thought we discussed this those things they can have fault so it's not going to have a false positive but it can be a false negative so when you pee on it it'll tell you if there's ketones in your urine now if it doesn't show ketones in your urine it doesn't necessarily mean you're not in ketosis it could mean that you're in ketosis and you're using up all the ketones all it's showing is that you have excess ketones that you're peeing out so the positive if it shows positive you're in ketosis if it shows negative you could be in ketosis you could be in ketosis it's not 100% so I got the ketosis I was like I thought to myself I don't feel like I switched I didn't feel like this hard transition I just feel really good am I in ketosis and I got the strips and I peed on it and dude I measured over four minimals I think I'm saying which is like therapeutic so I hit therapeutic levels of ketosis for sure whereas if you look if you look at the experts who talk about ketosis for weight loss or performance and steady state long duration type cardio and that kind of stuff they recommend over one and a half you know minimals per milligram I think it is but mine was over four which is therapeutic so I had a shit ton of ketones in my system obviously I was fast you can expect that right right you remember the test that we took at paleo was that one more accurate the breath one yeah it's supposed to be more accurate I think blood is the best yeah right blood would be the most accurate because I actually took I have those same strips that you have and on on day two I peed on it and I actually oh millimoles excuse me millimoles per liter I knew because I knew as in ketosis after for me I've done this enough times I feel like I can feel my body when it switches over and you know after a 24 hour fast for sure after a 48 hour fast 48 hour fast I know I'm there it's like I don't need confirmation from a P strip but I thought I saw you posted on yours I'm like let me see what I and mine actually didn't come it showed there were some yeah but very little in comparison I mean very little I've peed on it way way darker than that but yet I for sure felt more confident about being in ketosis now you probably were I mean it takes between 24 to 72 hours for people to enter into ketosis what I did notice though was and I wonder if this makes that's why you know I question these tests is my P was extremely clear because I was drinking a lot of water you could definitely water it out right so I was like you know my P was clear as fuck and I'm like okay and I'm because all I was doing was drinking because I did the same thing I had like normal yellow P and it tested very dark and then I'm like I wonder what happened if I drink a lot of water and then Peter again and I still haven't eaten yet so and I did and you're right it did show a lighter color that was because I've done that's why they're not they're not foolproof well it's cool I guess for a gauge right to give you an idea if you're heading in the right they're cheap gauge they're easy right you know that's why I like using them I was sleep sorry guys I actually didn't have a hard time sleeping at all in fact I actually I actually fell asleep really easy now that you say that the last couple nights I've gotten incredible sleep around 10 o'clock at like I felt like my body was like nope we shut down and normally I'd be up my mind to be racing and it'd be harder for me to get to sleep but like literally my body was like nope you gotta go to bed and so I had to listen to funny you I didn't you know it's crazy I didn't even cause a lot of people will say that it positively affects their sleep yeah it did and in fact I and last night I'm never the one normally cause Katrina always has to be up earlier than I do so I'm normally the one who will stay up later or keep us watching a show or whatever I was the one who shut down the TV and said like I'm ready for bed let's just go to bed early and went to bed early and then I don't even remember passing out I passed out really fast which is not like me so I didn't even think of paying attention to my sleep I've been I'm fascinated with the the ultra sensitivity of everything right now that's what I isn't it cool yeah I'm tripping out on that like my stomach is so like I don't even want a big meal right now yeah I like it so I love like having a coffee now feels like dude when you first had coffee it's like like a virgin yes no it does everything is though I mean everything from I noticed it with the weed I noticed it with the coffee I noticed it with watching the electronics I noticed everything had an effect on me and for the most part a lot of it had a lot of negative effects dude I didn't feel good think about it this way food for sure can be numbing 100% and if for anybody who argues and wants to disagree with me what's the number one fucking abuse substance in modern western societies food and why is it an abuse substance because it's distracting and numbing 100% ain't nobody eating food to become more aware of their shit for sure people are to forget shit and to be dumb and it has that effect on you for sure because when you everybody will tell you this when you do a prolonged fast during the fast and after the fast you're just heightened everything's heightened everything smell sight you know your touch everything yeah mental clarity has been through the roof too like I've been able to focus on whatever tasks that I was doing really well yeah I felt very productive yeah that whole time and just being on the computer and reading so it was it was great man like getting in that mental space where I'm just like oh I can be efficient how's your your psoriasis did you get any changes it was short yeah it's honest to be completely honest with that like I didn't see enough I was hoping that I would see something I'm not gonna lie there was a part of me I was like especially right now I'm actually in the middle of my psoriasis being pretty bad for a couple of reasons one of just it's the wintertime right now and so wintertime it just automatically flares up really bad and so I've gone and gone to the dermatologist and did my creams and shots and all that stuff so I've been kind of neglecting it my diet has been off during the holidays and then it's also winter so I've got kind of the perfect storm for it so I was kind of curious like okay if I do this will it suppress it it has a little bit like I'm not I noticed myself not picking at it and it's not so it's probably heading in the right direction of being better but I'm more curious to that now going forward because now I know when I ran theogenic diet it suppressed it a lot and you're going keto now yeah and I don't want to say I hate saying that because then I know everyone's going to hang on everything I do I'm not going full keto but like for example I think we made last night we made bison with you know four ounces of sweet potato so I'll have some sweet potato today like there's certain things that I will I'll be more paleo paleo-esque I would say I'm not like I'm not being a carb-nazida where I won't have any of my diet through the holidays and just at least minimize it to things like you know like they had last night the spinach the zucchini having things like sweet potato or yams things like that all out in there and I'll just be minimal about it and keep the carbs as low as I can and then a much higher fat diet yeah I'm going I'm going to go pretty straight keto except once a week I'll have I might give myself maybe 80 grams of carbs and something like that but I'm going to go pretty straight keto because I feel like it's time to do that for myself because I know when I come out of it I feel good too so I'm going to go into it I'm going to stay in it for a little while and then when my body tells me it's time to come back out I'm going to come back out but I mean I'll tell you what I did the 72 hour and I swore to God dude I'm not even exaggerating I felt like I could just keep going it wasn't a problem I think what I'm going to plan later on this year maybe in a few months a five day fast and or a seven day one and the way I'm going to organize the seven day one will be like four days water and then three days kind of fasting mimicking like Dr. Volter Longo talks about and just see what happens but one thing's for sure every month I'm going to do a 48 to 72 hour fast that's something that me and Jessica when you start to feel this alternate operating system because it is it's and I you know I've been reading the research as it comes along and a lot of it is getting pretty interesting right now if you're interested just look up Dr. Volter Longo and look at his research it for sure is another operating system things fundamentally change in your body when you do a prolonged fast and it's pretty crazy the cells that stick around almost hunker down and get really fucking strong his studies are showing that under radiation and chemotherapy even the stronger cells are far more resilient the ones that stick around are far more resilient and then the stem cells that get stimulated from the fast and then when you when you refeed you get this rebuilding of all these new cells it's just life built in for us to thrive with dude if we look at modern life and we look at the things that ale us with modern life which is lack of activity sleep patterns are thrown off and then our food quality is just terrible and then that we're just constantly feed ourselves I've handled the other three I exercise I make sure I get good sleep I eat very healthy if you compare me to the average person but the one that I don't regularly really look at is the whole I have fucking food all the time and so I feel like that would be that's like a missing piece that I'd like to add just for what I think we're finding is that for almost all of evolution you know food was pretty scarce for the most part and then we've just in the last hundred years we had all this availability and I think we're finding out that there's a lot more health benefits to there's more food and I think we're finding that and I believe there's going to be I believe there's a fine line right at what point does it become detrimental right like what point does restricting from nutrition and food have adverse effects and I think we've been so far on the other side for so long that what everyone's starting to find out is as we start stretching one day two day three day holy fuck we're actually still getting positive effects I wonder what that is and so I'm I'm just going to probably three to five days every week you'd probably be just fine and in fact you'd probably have a lot of positive benefits well you know that would be pushing it right but I think you're probably right I know in Russia these fasting clinics or whatever which are medically supervised so they do have nurses that test your blood make sure you're not you know that everything's okay but for the most part nothing ever happens everybody's fine that their standard is 21 days it's a 21 day fast when you go to these places they're upkeep fast it's not like they're going there because they're like oh I'm healthy I just want to maintain health these are people that have chronic illness autoimmune issues rheumatoid arthritis you know asthma you know whatever they go there and that's their treatment but their treatment is 21 days I think like a 48 to 72 fast every month for me okay so I'm not recommending these to people but for me I think might be a good starting point well one thing one thing that I definitely agree with Katrina that we do is that anytime that we feel like we've kind of fallen off our eating habits our good eating habits that this is how we would get back into it like in the past what I would do is you know after a holiday or being inconsistent with my meal prepping or eating and I decide okay I'm going to really get back in the swing of things and make sure I'm dialed in you know I just transition into whatever diet I'm doing whether be keto instead of doing that I think going forward anytime that we fall off and we've been inconsistent and eating poorly I think that we'll start it now with a 48 hour fast I like the way I feel right now it's increasing the intuitive portion of eating it is it makes it way I feel like to only eat something really small right now I'm I only like I said I had under I probably had 500-600 calories yesterday coming off of 2 hour fast today like I don't even have a desire to have a big meal right now to satisfy the way my stomach feels right now and that's literally probably be a couple hundred calories of some healthy fat maybe some protein I'm good and so I find it easier to get into a strict regimen after doing a fast like that so I think it's great too because having Courtney do this as well she's got that same motivation behind it now so we can kind of you know plan out and get our meals like in a line you know in that direction together so it's not like I'm eating something a little bit different and the family and it's that everybody's sort of on that level on that same page so this is a great sort of a you know a centralized focus to then now we can so I shared what I broke the fast with you guys didn't really share what you we teased Justin a little bit on the burger thing but what exactly did everybody eat so I had we started with bone broth and then about an hour so I wanted bone broth and then an hour I wanted to wait an hour I had a little bit of lamb so we had some lamb meat that we cooked in the oven and I had rapini which is a type of it's a it's like broccoli kind of but it's like spinach right so I boil the fuck it's how I cook it I cook it really really really well so it's easy to digest then I I put olive oil on and I eat that and that was it that was what I had yesterday this morning I had let's see what did I have this morning olive lamb and two egg yolks and that's that's pretty much it because I'm kind of keto I'm a little bit of broccoli so I'm kind of keto right now that's that's that's pretty pretty much it but what you guys are saying what you're saying in particular Adam about how doing a starting a fat a fast kind of kicks you into you know better eating or whatever that is I mean you're that is right along the pages of what intuitive eating or how that starts to work and it's such a nice you know because I mean you're just kind of feeling that way so it's so much easier than like okay I need to do this I need to do that I mean the sensitivity is so high that it's much easier to pay you have to be an idiot to not notice the sign or at least for me like for me like I ate some things I was like whoa like for example that the little bit of cream that I put I don't even put that much cream in my coffee that was enough to go make me my stomach go like that or I had a cup of coffee and I was zipping or I smoked one little hit of a joint and I was flying and I was like okay it's crazy how much I've oversaturated myself with a lot of these things that are regular in my diet you know so you know what's funny is that sometimes this reminds me of how sometimes you know we would get clients or whatever who would eat really good or well and then they would throw in a pizza or cake and get stomach upset and they would legit get upset with that like what the hell man I used to be able to eat this before but it's funny to be rude and cake for me well what we've done really is anything for you what we've done just helped you make yourself aware of how your body feels that's it and we've taken away your drug right you've just taken away your drug and now you're upset because you used to be able to use this food like it made me feel good yeah how weird is that I know like imagine if you were mad like fuck man I want to have my cream and my coffee I want to have a muffin and I can't have it right now but instead you're looking at it the other way saying I honestly I didn't eat anything other than the burger the bacon and cheese on top of that with like you know I actually had vegetables to go with that I wasn't even interested in carbs any sugars like I had no cravings in that direction but I definitely had cravings protein and fat wise and so I I probably could have been a little more measured with like what I ate like I really did you pay for it were you okay no I was fine you were fine yeah I was totally fine it didn't kill me yeah you had the iron stomach exactly I've always had kind of an iron stomach like a billy goat yeah but that's the thing it's like I've always done really well with meat and veggies that's always been a good combo with me so so I wanted to talk to you guys also before we move into the questions what I did with my so my son had a basketball tournament this weekend so leading up until this tournament his school had been undefeated 4-0 so they've played very very well so they go into this tournament and tournaments are complete I've never been to a tournament before it's a very different energy it's a very it's a very different energy like when the kids are playing in the regular season I think the coaches will you know they're just they're they want to win also but I think they're also more interested in getting the kids to play and everybody's well tournament there's there's a place there's a place seeing and normally they have trophies they give them you're there to win usually goes into overtime and the intensity is way higher so I'm watching these kids play and it's fucking hilarious because they're all seventh grade boys right seventh grade is 12 12 years old 13 years old some kids are a little older so the 13 this is right when testosterone starts to peak starts to take off it doesn't peak yet right but it starts to like oh I'm not a kid anymore so you're starting to see some clear differences in like the physicality of certain kids well you're seeing that there's definitely some kids that are fucking massive already and I remember going to junior high two and showing up first day and there's a kid with a mustache some kids dunking on me yeah there's some some shit there's some big ass kids in there but there was also like the you can see the testosterone kicking in a little bit and these fucking boys are starting to get aggressive and I'm laughing at what's like there was a few moments where like two guys would have their hands on the ball and you could see like they want to fight like they're fucking ripping it and they're looking at each other and then like when one like there was a couple of kids on my son's team that are really good and then we were playing another team where they had some good kids it was like back and forth and whenever they make a basket they'd walk by the other player and clap really loud like right next to his face like yeah and these are these are all Catholic schools everybody's supposed to be real but I'm watching this I'm like this is fucking hilarious I could see the just taunting competitiveness coming out bro I could see the influence of the hormone now these kids do you think your your boy enjoys it or does it turn him off my son is very he's ultra competitive but not in the traditional ways so if he's playing a sport probably not doesn't really care a whole lot he's definitely part of the team he wants to play well he wants to do well but if you put him on a game or chess or anything like that then he gets maybe it's because he feels like he's better at those things so he identifies more with them but he's definitely got that competitive that competitive side but I was watching these kids play is fucking hilarious there was one kid so we lost one one game we got third place so we lost one moving into the finals which meant then we had to play for third which but they played fucking excellent but the team we lost against dude there was one kid on the other team who was the shortest kid on all the teams he was this little dude who's obvious it's a small kid but if you look at this kid when the team comes out I'm looking at him and I elbow Jessica and I'm like this kid is a morph this little kid comes out and he's built like he's I for sure does gymnastics or something he's like this little bodybuilder fucking seventh grader and he's fast as fucking aggressive as hell this small kid was just scoring like crazy because he was super aggressive and super in everybody's face it was really cool to watch this little guy not let his height like get in the way he was just on it and so for the last game what I did was is I'm like I wonder so anyway so you guys know we have the cacao powder from Organifi right what's it called cacao bliss right cacao tastes really good and I know cacao naturally contains like theobromine which has it's similar to caffeine and it gets you up a little little elevator so I made a little chocolate milk with some cacao in there yeah I was like let's see what happens his eyes just huge he was jazzed he was jazzed he was playing and he was pretty jazz yeah when he was playing so but it was a lot it was a lot of fun man third place real proud of the kids proud of the boys the coaches did such a great job the fundamentals they just hammer the fundamentals and you can tell that that's all that they that they work on I can't wait I know like with my son it's not quite competitive yet like they're still learning the skill of it because he's he's only seven so but at the same time like some kids are getting it and so he's I'm really proud of him too like he's he's actually put the work into where he when he gets the ball there's probably like maybe like a 50% chance he'll make it that's great he's been draining some buckets that's so great yeah it's just great to see that it's great to see them get involved and stoked on their abilities and like really try and like improve on them on their own I think it's such a healthy trait to develop in your kid oh dude I had the best conversation with my son so I'm so proud of the kid because he's so self-aware and confident he's far more confident than I was at his age so much more if I could say that I did anything positive for my kids or in particular my son it's I stopped you know I was I did not promote what I had at his age which was terrible insecurities about my you know physical body my kids very confident and so we're you know on the way home from one of the games he goes well this is a tournament and you know he goes so the coach wants to put the best players in all the time to win so he says that's why I'm not in there a whole lot he goes I'm in there sometimes but not a whole lot he goes this is different than when we're playing regular game and I said well how does that make you feel I want to see what he's thinking you know and he goes he goes I think that's the right thing he goes those dudes are they're the best ones oh that's cool he has that idea yeah and I said it's always out there work harder yeah you work hard and you practice the second thing is to understand that you're on a team and I said in the future when you're you know an adult and you either start a business or you work for a company and you work for a team or you have a team that works for you the important things are to identify everybody's role where people are good and that everybody understands what they're supposed to do and they do that part super good and you want them to be out there most of the time then your role maybe motivate support and team spirit or maybe part of the planning or whatever but you have a different role in that team but you still have a role and you execute that role and that's what makes people affected we had this great conversation he was super he was leading half of it I'm so proud of the kid with that and I oh such a great lesson excellent excellent I thought that because she wanted some too first of all if you put it in milk I tasted a little bit I can't have milk but if you put it in milk that shit's like chocolate milk it's fucking good so I gave some to my daughter too because she wanted some so she was climbing the walls because I'm sitting in the bleachers watching the game and she's just fucking all over the place like I made a big mistake with that one bring on the bird Doug this quaz brought to you by Organifi for those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance the added edge try Organifi totally risk free for 60 days by going to Organifi.com that's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I .com and use a coupon code MINEPOMP for 20% off at checkout first up is mine to muscle that's our boy right yeah what are your top 10 yeah man yeah sorry Doug what are your top 10 methods to maintain your mental mental health what do you do to pull yourself out of depression when you feel down so 10 things yeah I don't know if I have 10 things so something that I learned from my girl my girlfriend Jessica which she's taught you so much she has she's actually taught me quite a bit my girls taught me a lot of things too this is too late I already said it I can't try and be nice yeah do another episode yeah I just don't do it very much she's taught me something in this particular sense mainly because so I I went through a divorce and I started dating Jessica very relatively soon after my divorce and when you go through a process of no longer living with your kids organizing a new house a new life how do we work this all out the end of you know a marriage that was you know I had a long time the change in the family like all that stuff it is very challenging on your mental health very very challenging and it definitely can cause and I think they put like death of a loved one taking care of a loved one divorce and there was something else is like the top most stressful things that people tend to go through and I'll definitely put divorce up there and one thing that Jessica helped me with was that when we're in a state of mind that we don't like like depression and we've identified like fuck I feel really down and I hate this rather than hating it so bad that you're trying to fight it and resist it to accept that I feel sad right now allow yourself to feel it and you'll come out of it much faster this is what I noticed because when I fight the feeling I am now you know what what you resist persists that's very very true when I found that I was fighting it like no I can't be sad I can't be depressed I hate this I don't like this I need to do things to change it that layer that I threw on top of it you know if you hate what you're in and you don't accept what you're in you are adding a new layer to whatever you feel so now you're feeling shitty on top now you're feeling shitty for feeling shitty and that just makes things last longer versus sitting in there and just being like well I feel shitty right now I'm gonna let myself feel it and then I'm gonna come out of it so that by far that's the most effective thing that I've ever found for getting myself out of a depressed state as far as maintaining mental health nothing is better nothing is better than sleep and exercise those three things are in check I'm amazing I tend to think this is something that that I'm pretty good at and I'm going through this right now so if you listen to the show you had a lot of practice a lot of challenges no I mean you had a lot of challenges no no I have I have had a ton of challenges ever since I was a kid that's what I'm saying and so for me I actually don't I don't I don't stress that much I think you hit I think that was great advice all I think that is something that is unique and different about it I'm okay with it like I know like I expect myself to be kind of down because of everything that I'm going through right now it's like yeah no fucking shit I'm not in the best mood of my life and stuff so I think becoming aware of that like you said and accepting that that's that you're going through a process right now and that's part of what's happening sometimes there are things that we can control and sometimes there are things that we can't control and when it's something that I can control for me I look at it as a growth opportunity for me and if it's something I can't control then it's just part of the process of growing through whatever this pain or depression that I'm going through but there are some practices that I've put in place to make myself feel better while going through these situations and so I I tend to shift my focus in other aspects of my life that is not what I feel depressed right now so for example right now you know with my extremely low testosterone with the torn Achilles if I was really in if so obviously I'm going to have a little bit of this depression going on right now if I was to heavily focus on my body right now and my goals and like why I'm not muscular or feeling buff it would make me feel terrible so part of the process for me is not worrying about it right now it's kind of letting letting go of that battle right now to even build any muscle or shape myself the way I want or build a train with an injury right now so I'm already at a major disadvantage so I'm not going to put extra pressure on myself of an area that I already have rooted insecurities from youth right so I'm just don't even give a fuck that's part of me embracing is this like I am who I am right now I have other aspects doing Katrina doing other aspects that that I love in life or that give me joy I'll shift my energy towards those things and really hang on to the things that I'm accomplishing in that arena you know I worked all weekend so all weekend I was doing things for the business as far as on the marketing side and what we need to do and I enjoy that like I'm sure I would love being the gym crushing it and seeing my goals and accomplishing these things that I'm struggling with and instead of hanging on to that and dwelling on that I've accepted that and I'm going to work through that of course I'm doing the taking the steps like with all my supplements and the Juvelide and trying to get my diet in order and being patient with the whole process but meanwhile I've shifted my energy and focus into other parts of my life that maybe may not be as affected by that or may help increase like my level of joy and so sometimes what you enjoy and love doing I think that's an important thing that I do and if I get really bad like I've had moments I don't know why this is a thing for me maybe somebody else out there can relate if I like really feeling down and fresh and it just seems like everything's hit me from all ends and I can't even get the right mental space I'll go leave all by myself and go watch a movie all alone and it's just like this I don't know if it's the time to disconnect from all the things that I'm allowing to get in my head or what but it has always helped me kind of reset and it's something that I didn't do until I got into an adulthood that I would ever think of even doing this because in my teenage years I think it's so weird to go to the movies by myself I have so many friends that would love to go with me but it's really not about the movie as much as it is about helping me get kind of like reconnected with myself and like ignore all the other noise that's out there that's causing so that's kind of helped me I'll do that every now and then yeah I think I think like thinking about when the last time I was depressed I think well first of all like when I noticed that I'm feeling down I'm feeling like you know I'm not my usual self I'm not up and energetic I'm definitely assessing what my sleep you know what's going on with that and also just like you know my movement and like if I'm not moving it affects my moods on a substantial level but just looking back as far as like last year and like you know something that like when my dog died it was like one of those things that like I tried to bury that like personally and it was like I didn't want to like acknowledge it and so once I finally got to a place where I could like acknowledge it like it was you know it was so much easier to then realize oh man like on all these other different levels and like Courtney I know she's had like man she's had a rough time because it was a real traumatic experience because she was there and like had to deal with it and like he got hit by a car and like you know was just like torn to shreds and like she had to like take him to the vet and go through all that traumatic experience and you know that stayed with her and she would all this anxiety and so for me like I've been trying to like figure out more like I was more trying to to unpack like how to help like therapy wise with her and like figure out like what that looks like and so I us kind of dealing with we started to apply more meditative practices and we tried to kind of create a ritual at night anxiety and there was certain things that helped like even I had mentioned the other day I was I was getting like that Ashwagandha drops and stuff like that to really kind of help to you know from I think Thrive Market so Thrive Market is the same is the same one I have the same one you're taking man Thrive Market has that too yeah fucking A yeah so we do that and then we do like a tea with ginger and lemon and you know more of this this environment that is less less stimulus and more of us just trying to get outside of our own head and then just me being out in nature quite a bit more has been really therapeutic but yeah it was like it was one of those things it was it was a constant friction in the house because we both felt it you know it was like it was brutal you know you know I have a friend right now who's who her father passed away and she sent me a couple of messages and has you know talked about how absolutely devastating it was to lose her dad and she was asking me about exercise like what what should I do with my workouts like did you know how can I use them to help me and I you know I told her you want to go into the workouts with a completely different mentality you're not going into the workouts because exercise can be a fantastic thing you can do to help you to feel better but it's totally different than when you're working out normally like when you're working out normally you're going into you know with a goal of building muscle or burning body fat or you know getting super intense work out to sweat or whatever when you're in this particular state of mind where you're feeling devastated you're going in there to just take care of you so whatever that looks like for me it looked like you know when I you know I went through something pretty difficult about maybe five years ago I went in the gym and sometimes it was a heavy hard workout and I would leave my frustration in the gym but a lot of times it was these really easy I put my headphones on I put on some good music and I just get a good pump and just get my body to feel better and then I would start to mentally feel better there's that two way street you know what I mean there's that your mental the way you think or your mental state can affect how you feel physically so you can feel more run down you can feel inflammation or poor digestion because of you know what's going on in your head and then vice versa if your body is feeling sick then mentally you'll start to you can start to feel sick it's a two way street so you know one of the best things you could do before you ever get into cycles of depression or whatever is just maintain good regular physical health you don't have to be perfect but you get good sleep you know you take care of your body you take care of yourself with your nutrition when you do have those those bouts or those challenges in life which you're gonna get them I mean if you if you live your entire life if you're lucky enough to live to an old age that's number one first of all if you're lucky enough to live to old age you are gonna encounter situations that are terrible it's just everybody is it's just a part of life yeah it's how it is if you encounter if you encounter those with a healthy body with good relationships around you with you know you know a passion or something that you do for work or for living or for hobby if you encounter those difficult situations in this kind of you know strong state of mind you're the likelihood that you're going to you know come out of it come out the other end unscathed or or minimal damage or that you're going to be able to handle these difficult situations is much higher because I'll tell you something right now when you and there's a lot of situations that maybe aren't depressing but are stressful as fuck if you're a new parent look if you're a parent for the first time you are going to go through and I can say this with all confidence you're going to go through one of the biggest learning curves of your entire life it's just a fact like you're going to feel what it feels like to lose tremendous amounts of sleep to have different levels of stress and thought patterns now to challenge you and your relationship with your spouse differently and it's a different dynamic your job takes on a whole different meaning now responsibilities take a whole different there's a lot of good things also by the way so it's great things as well but there's a lot of challenges and if you go into totally selling me right now well if I'm just you know it's funny scared a lot more you know why I do this you know why I do this because you hear a lot of the good you know everybody's talking about this challenge I love that you share that because part of what's kept me from being married and having a kid now is because I have trained thousands of people and when you get to have a client you know a successful man or woman that's had children and family and this and that and love all their family but then you get this like private session with them and they train with you for years you get like them to open up and share everything with you and I tell you what when you get that a lot of these people tell me like I love my kids I love my wife I love my husband if I could have waited a little bit longer I would have waited a little bit longer it's for sure it's for sure a challenge but then on the flip side of it you obviously experience something that is so powerful that you know keeps you in that tough situation but my point with that is if you go and do like a stressful situation like that like oh we're gonna have a kid like if you're fit healthy you get good sleep you've got good routines everything's you know it's gonna be a lot easier on you than if you go into it and you're just already everything's feeling shitty to begin with so my point with this is you know he says 10 methods to maintain your mental health it's the ones that you maintain that you you keep up just to give you a good quality life like you know like I said good good sleep and I know we're close to our age that's who's asking this question right now and so you got a great page by the way on Instagram and I think that for me something I just dealt with and maybe just something you revisit is getting back to some of the things that I did all through my teenage years and through my 20s that I really loved and was passionate about and the shit real she would talk about depression right so I was going through this this process myself and two of those things was playing basketball and snowboarding so that was like a major mission for me this year and it was in regards to good mental health because I recognized this fulfillment that I had after I played a game of basketball or snowboarding and realized like wow this is something I truly love and I've loved it since a kid and I still love it today and it's part of what keeps me young and it's something that I want to continue to do so imagine what a fucking shit show I'm going through right now that I was searching for better mental health and this was part of the reason that I got this as a goal and Jason and I fucking tore my Achilles but I mean again a growing learning experience for me but I think that getting back to some of those things I think it's important to revisit that well I too isn't it the stoics that believe that like if you focus on the worst case scenario like you draw this mentally like what is the worst thing that could happen to you and like you have that as sort of okay if I can deal with that mentally deal with that and internalize that and be able to move forward with that like I will be able to do a lot better such an amazing such an incredibly effective strategy when you go into I thought about applying it like that was interesting to me I haven't really applied it yet but I thought that was a very interesting mentality dude you go in so when you go into something I started doing this a little while ago so effective like when because of mind pump because of what we do and it grows and we got all these opportunities there's a lot of things that could potentially happen that are also scary like oh fuck what if one day we do get on a stage and there's thousands of people or what if we do get interviewed on a massive podcast like Joe Rogan or whatever oh my god you know that would be so nerve wracking and so what I've done is I think to myself alright worst case scenario I get on this massive platform this big one time opportunity to really expose our brand to the world and I fuck up I sound like an idiot I sound stupid I'm nervous or it just comes across terrible what would be the worst case scenario and then be okay with that like okay what would I do if that happened and be okay with that and then you go into and you're calm you're like fuck I'm cool with the worst case scenario the best case scenario would be awesome and I don't give a shit at this point it makes it it's a very effective strategy next question is from dining with D.O. what is one thing you can't live without not including exercise one thing we cannot live without there's the obvious ones right my obvious one is my girl for sure I think Katrina I think once you I'll say boners once you find that was me go ahead once you find and so I guess that you you know we'd have to have like that exception if we were going to think of something else yeah you can't name people because that's too easy right because I feel like that's that right away is the first thing that comes in mind with me so can't live without I can tell you one for me stimulating conversation if I can't have is that a thing yeah conversation is a thing I'm thinking something tangible well he's saying exercise what's exercise that's not a thing sure it is exercise is tangible a movement exercise so it's talking the city can't really yeah talking is I can't if I'm not stimulated with good conversation it's well I have a really tough time this is why I hated school I hated school because it was so I would say goals like I can't live without goals in my life you can make it whatever you want you can do whatever your answer is if you want you can give yours and I'll tell you if it's good or bad I can do without that that's something I can do without I just feel like I feel like things like that they're not tangible I think they're looking for a tangible thing I don't like okay how about this I think for me it's mainly nature so if because of living in different places like I've gone lived in Chicago like great great atmosphere great people all that like extreme weather but for me like just to be within the woods and like every single day like I for some reason like I just get a lot out of that and I get like this peace and this calm and so it's like my sanctuary so I can't live without that I like that see along those lines I feel like I can't live without people I'm just I'm such a social person and I feed off of other people's energy that's obvious as I say food I can't live without food how would you get along without people just the math isn't out of there you would die of course not but technically you wouldn't though no you would I would you'd run out of like what would you do I would I would definitely because there's there's not a lot of things that I can't absolutely live without except for those things that we would probably consider a necessity to live right so I like Justin's nature thing well I mean okay if it's a is it really a necessity will he really die I think the the object of the question is pick the one thing pick something that you really like and love a lot that's what I think yeah you can technically live without I'm gonna pick something more super I would have said sleep because that was the case I'm gonna give you something more superficial that maybe people don't know about me that's like really really important to me that I really really enjoy so I have this thing that I do Katrina and I do this together that I just absolutely fucking love and it for some reason it always helps me reset keep my mental focused do all these things I completely enjoy it and I love to go all over and travel and go to random fancy ass hotels and fucking veg out for three days where I get room service and spa treatment and I absolutely love that and I've put that together a long time ago in my life so it's been something that I've incorporated it's something that all that Katrina loves as much as I do so it's part of what makes our partnership so well because it is something that we on a regular basis never do I let about three months go by where I don't have even if it's just two or three days where I get away for a weekend and take off and we go somewhere and we normally go somewhere really really fancy and nice it's somewhere where I just I want to be pampered and I just fucking it helps me it just whatever it does for me it keeps this incredible balance of goals or do things like that but then still allow this balance of where I kind of recalibrates yeah it does it recalibrates me and like I said I put that together at a pretty young age and it's something that is routine and then and my partner now who I couldn't live without also it knows how important it is to me that I don't even have to plan it I know that she's always on top of making sure that she knows oh my god we've been traveling with Adam and I away somewhere and we will we'll just go and even if it's only two three hours up the road somewhere we'll go somewhere and I love to bounce around to different places and experience different hotels and different areas and along with that a lot of times comes with what Justin just said like I love to be by the ocean or up in the woods and around nature and so yeah we're actually planning a trip to Napa in February just on a weekend day just to go up there it comes with stuff I don't know that okay so I'll tell you the one after off air I don't want to learn on air but I'll tell you afterwards when I booked and let me know because I can sure I can cancel if I needed to no I need that stimulating conversation like if I'm at a party and there's a lot of people at the party I have see people they think I'm they think I'm a super extrovert they think oh this you know salax to talk you probably has no problem I just need to be stimulated or it needs to be like let's go further let's go a little deeper like I know I just met you but let's talk about some good shit like your golf swing and fucking yeah like let's talk about your like your ambitions your passions let's talk about the universe like weird shit because when I sit there and have small talk it's so torturous for me to do it that this is what I end up doing at parties I end up bouncing around the party the entire time because it's so annoyed with small talk with one person that I start to I just stand it but if we're going to sit down and we're going to debate something we're going to discuss something deeper talk about you know concepts and fallout like then I'll sit there and have a great time but I need that stimulating conversation otherwise I will literally I will drift off into space with my thoughts if you want to keep my attention good conversation that's how I am with people that don't have you know personality or you know like don't have a sense that you make a joke and they don't ask it's just bombs you know it's not even that it's just like the whole time you can just tell you know the type of person will just sit there they're just like this ho hum kind of person that's just like going through life they just don't get it they just don't get it next question is from holistic fitness why do you think almost everyone starting their health and fitness journey go way too extreme and run into problems before finding balance in their health I think there's a few different reasons and I know we're going to get into all of them but one of them that may not be as obvious because this is a this seems to be in my experience of my observations a natural human tendency for everything and I think it's because you may not know where the middle is until you know where the ends are like how do I know that this is the middle until I've experienced extreme over here and extreme over there and if you you can look at most things that people do tend to we tend to do it that way we either are way super not interested or we go overboard and then we start to find the middle this happens with political movements in America all the time we will go so far in one direction for example for a long time you know you know the way we talked about women and minorities and issues and situations was terrible we said some horrible horrible things and so it went way the fuck the pendulum swings so far over to another direction now that everything is offensive anything we say is bad comedians can't be comedians and all that stuff and I think it's just natural it's like we have to go to this extreme side before we can find this middle and it works with fitness too like and that's part of it the other part of it is I think people go into it and they're like hey I want to get in shape super bad I do with you there too but I think the biggest culprit is our fucking industry I think we we over glorify fucking the whole the motivation thing I mean let's be honest some of your biggest pages on Instagram and Facebook are all these fake ass fucking motivation pages pages everybody and we feed into it and everybody's searching for this external motivation and it's over it's over glorified the beast mode and the all out and the kill it and if you want to get your goals you got to work hard and people need like idols follow the thing is that getting in shape right or building an aesthetic physique or being healthy is science based right and when you when you look at other things in our life like you know being successful financially or working your way up the ladder at work or you know doing well at a sport like there those things are different there's there's less science involved in that there's less it's more about motivation it is about work ethic it is about working hard and for some reason we've we've muddied that message in fitness to make people think that the same rules apply in fitness now that's not to say that people don't lack motivation and consistency and hard work doesn't pay off inside the gym I'm not saying that I think we've just over glorified it so much that people think that's the same way you approach it the same way I approach getting good at basketball the same way I approach being better at work the same way I approach more money all those things we go after it as hard as we can take no days off we apply that same thing to health and fitness and that's fucking couldn't be further from the truth that's not the way to go about it in fact that could probably be more detrimental than actually approaching it in a much slower more strategic way and that's because we are we're dealing with something that's more science based it's not it's not something that is driven through motivation but you know it's the marketing machine the marketing machine is built because what the market demands is quick fast you know give me the pill version of whatever it is to get me to this aesthetic or get me to this particular goal that I have in mind and so the thing is I mean the fitness people in fitness and in business are guilty of feeding back into that and trying to adjust their business to provide something that screams like well I can do it in three weeks well I can do it in one week and you know it just becomes this competitive process of trying to grab attention and then this attention becomes the perception of like how it should be done to the consumer and so you know for people like us to try and slow that down you know this is this is abnormal this is abnormal this isn't what people are experiencing as far as the message of getting back to fitness and health and doing it with a measured the bottom line the industry's been pumping it out like this for quite some time now 20, 30 years plus this has been the message in health and fitness and quite frankly it's fucking failing the success rate is less than fucking 50% so something's gotta change and this is a lot of the motivation of what we do was that okay you know we've been in this industry for this long and if we're completely honest with ourselves the people that get all this information and this motivation the results so we obviously are going about it wrong there's gotta be a better approach it's succeeding and growing and money right I mean it's succeeding on that level absolutely we're getting more people to buy stuff we're getting more people to you know do work out you know to enroll and work out programs or become members of a gym but are we helping people no nobody's health and fitness I mean people identify with being a martyr and it's a natural thing that we tend to do like I'm going and I'm going to grind and work hard and get sore and it's that story of like I dedicated my life to this and I woke up at 5am and I and everybody loves to hear that story so people want they identify with being the martyr you hear this with athletes and with stage competition athletes all the time I did this many hours I did this restriction of my food I didn't need anything and it's like it's a badge of honor to be a martyr with what you're doing and the other part of it is like people want to feel like they're doing like they're helping but they don't necessarily want to help so I'll explain what I mean by that like if you look at like look at like like the poor people let's look at the disenfranchised let's look at you know if you see people on the streets you want to feed them you want to house them whatever a lot of people that make them feel like they're helping but how many people actually help how much help are we actually like physically there or not only physically there but if we look at like the money you spend and how much we actually get out of it and why is this not working people would they want relief from the feeling of I need to do something not actually doing something and when it comes to working out I think people we've identified you know being overweight out of shape and unhealthy with lazy you're lazy and you're just a fuck up which I sometimes is true I'm not gonna I'm not gonna lie sometimes you are lazy sometimes you are lazy but a lot of times it's not a lot of times it's the whole approach is totally fucking wrong but when they go into the gym they're like I'm gonna sweat I'm gonna bust my ass I'm gonna apply this high intensity I am a hard worker I'm gonna show everybody that I'm that I'm doing this and it's this unenjoyable and people identify with exercises it needs to be something that they hate well some people are some people are having success with it so I look at it like this it's like taking a car and I'm gonna push this car across the 100 yards and the harder you push this car and the less breaks you take the faster you're probably gonna push the car than the other guy but guess what there's an option for you to get in the car and fucking turn it on and drive it the 100 yards and that's a lot easier and a lot faster but that's what I mean they're identifying with the hard exactly that's the fitness thing just to fucking get a car we all right now okay the four of us could go out to a field put a car on there put it in neutral and we could push it across the field and each one one guy would push it faster than the other like right Sal goes first and Justin goes and I go we're all trying to be each other and it's all turning into this who can go harder can get across there then Doug comes along he gets in the car he starts it and drives it there faster than all of us and it's like that's really what everybody looks like and then everybody who pushed the car you know I was grinding I was pushing I was a bit 5am I decided before I pushed it before I pushed it so I mean you can still get the car there that's why it's still exist right if people were pushing their bodies that hard and they weren't seeing the results from all the sacrifice and the hard work then it still wouldn't survive and be there but some people do some people do have the ability to actually push their way all the way and I saw this really I think that the number one thing that separates the average Joe from the competitors is these competitors have this ability to just shut off the rest of the world not give a fuck about their relationships anything else it's a very selfish sport and they can grind all the way through it better than most they have a very competitive attitude towards it but there is a much easier way and for the average person who's listening to this that just wants to get in good shape it ain't that fucking hard it is not that hard it takes it takes some discipline yes it does but it doesn't need to be this fucking well it's one of the reasons why I mean we're in January right it's one of the reasons why the commercials that we're running and I'm sure there'll be one at the beginning of this episode where I pitched the super bundle because I know a lot of people are starting off this you know in January getting serious like okay I'm going to go to the gym now I'm going to get in shape and with something like a super bundle you have a plan so that you're not going in there and just identifying with the pain and the heart or whatever you have a structured plan what you're doing trust the process so that you override your natural tendency to want to make this as painful as possible and then you know watch what happens people get so much further along if they just this is such a great question to lead into this next one Doug next question is from Cody Patrick what are your thoughts on the show fit to fat to fit I think it's pure awesome entertainment I don't think it benefits anybody or most people in any positive way I'll tell you why I would never do so fat to fit to fat to fit explain what is a show where they'll take somebody by the way he's been trying to get on our show for quite some time this is a show where you'll get these X trainers or the current trainers fitness fanatics whatever like bodybuilders they're super fit purposely get fat they'll purposely get really fat and then the goal is now to get fit again and the goal the entertaining aspect is now they get to feel what it's like to be really overweight and they get to feel what it's like to get really fit and they can live through and they can become more empathetic towards their clients and other people who have this struggle here's why I would never do it that is it is not a healthy situation they're going from extreme fitness to well you've seen supersize me right supersize me he wasn't even these people are actively and what they're doing is they're like sitting in front of the TV all day eating terrible food all day long they're forcing it down because they have certain they have to get to a certain point to even be able to do this dude I just read a study this is just reminding me of a study that I read somebody sent it to me where they're showing that when you go through a process of that that there's some epigenetic super unhealthy really obese and very unhealthy and then you lose all the weight that your immune system remembers how you were for a lot longer so even though you're fit now and all that stuff it could take a lot longer for your that inflammatory state of your immune system and these are animal studies so they're going to do some on humans that you know could linger and I don't doubt that this will happen with people so not a good idea part of the reason why for those I've always been reaching out to me to get on the show for quite some time and I've just I've not been interested because I have I have no desire to promote what he's doing you know to each their own if you've found out a clever idea and I've seen I've seen it I've watched several episodes an angle for sure right yeah I mean it's to me it's the same old shit in the fitness industry you know it's like it's all purely based off you're a fat piece of shit I'm going to be fat enough and when I watched it I was really not impressed with the the caliber of a train the trainers which by the way most really educated trainers going to tell you fuck off I ain't put myself through that like I don't need I don't need to put myself through that to be able to connect to my clients and understand where they're coming from you know and so I can actually have empathy and just be you know the size I am no you're right we watched didn't we all watch an episode together you were at my house and the trainers are awful well it was terrible because now that one of the trainers like the trainer will get out of shape and fat he has to go do workouts to get fit but he has to get trained by another trainer how do you think that trainer trains him because they're on TV right he's beating the fuck out of him making him throw up making him throw up all that stuff terrible I am not a fan of the show I am not a fan of the idea sure do I think that a train being a guy now 20% plus body fat and leaned all the way down to sub 3 and to go through that whole process has made me more in tune with my body give me more empathy for clients trying to lose body fat and come down so sure I can definitely agree with some of the positive effects that come with it but by no means what I ever tell that's like anything like any adversity in your life but I would never force that adversity on somebody especially when it has health detriments to it part of it is the silly part I would never consider intentionally making myself fat to lose weight just so I can get better connected for my clients and show people now I use the fact that I had fallen out of shape and I got shredded to actually grow my social media so again I can totally understand it but by no means that I like actively go get fat I wasn't like trying it was organic yeah it was organic I got to a point where for the first time in my life that I actually felt like I was whoa I'm out of shape what happens I have yet to see a fitness show on TV that does worth a shit that does a good job all of them glamorize and you know you know hype up the intensity aspect all of them show the drama people puking from the workouts all of them show terrible terrible practices to getting coach hammering them the whole time it's promoting bullshit it's promoting the myths but I will say this I feel like I personally feel like the time is right now for a show that could show it being done the right way it would require good editing I disagree I think it could I think it could be entertaining with the right editing look imagine if we were on a show imagine if we were on a TV show and we had clients who were overweight and they filmed at the whole actual time they didn't just tell us we need like a year right imagine if they said okay we'll give you six months let's say six months but imagine the conversation this is why you're wrong you don't think so you're wrong I know you're wrong this is why I know you're wrong because I've seen enough stuff on why they do play into the drama because that's what gets ratings man and telling the truth is not it's not exciting enough I don't know dude look at our show our show has grown and we have said everything opposite when we entered we talked about the jazzling bro we've talked about some edgy shit there's an entertaining aspect of course I'm not saying that this won't have that a show like that would be just straight like whatever but what I think is if it's edited properly and it shows the real process because enough people are exposed to the bullshit this is why you gotta read the book hit makers the reason why we still we are you guys know that we still are all of us are watch soap operas soap operas are still fucking in our in our everyday American wrestling is a soap opera right everything we cause we thrive off of that whether we want to admit it or not and it's just told in different stories so if you were going to do a fitness show like that and it be successful I mean Biggest Loser an example of this I felt like Biggest Loser the first two seasons I really liked it I thought they were conveying what they were showing on it but what they realized was the episodes that showed a little bit of the drama the most dramatic loss is going to get you better ratings so let's hammer the fuck out of them make it as skinny as possible exactly so they start coaching to the drama so maybe a show like you're saying Sal could start off that way but what I think there's enough drama there's a lot of drama I know it's not the same kind of drama right it's not enough like natural stuff tends to happen it's challenging regardless I think maybe I'm just projecting that that's what I would like yeah that's the reality I agree with you I'm with you I would like to see that I think there are people that listen to our show that say yeah I would watch that but you're not America you guys are a fraction a very small small fraction maybe an internet show you could launch something like that well I agree that we couldn't do it on a network time pump media could produce a YouTube type of series like that that I think could do very well I think it would be better as like a documentary like a long well thought out spelled out like okay we did this span of months this is what happened and then you do like check ins so that way you get educated yeah it's like a real peer insight into somebody that like changed their life I agree but that's it though you know why I think it would do well something like that if it's done right I feel like first of all the timing is good because so many people have been exposed so much of the same kind of fitness that would be a little counter so people like whoa this is different and I think enough people have gone through the old fitness to see that it doesn't work so now your direction your theory thinking though right now is off because I'll tell you right now especially a guy like you who's so into studies and research like the research is already proven man they've already done this this has all been done before like what if we did this way what if we did that way here's why I'll argue that and I'm not a TV executive or any of that stuff and I'm not talking about I'm not really even talking about network TV but here's why I think I may be right because had you gone to food companies and said just 5 years ago 10 years ago if you went to food companies and said hey people are going to be more interested in the quality and the sourcing of your ingredients than they are in fat grams and total calories and stuff like that they would have laughed they would have laughed it's a bad analogy because it's totally changed food and health you're talking about entertaining the brand totally different your different operating system totally different well so think about it this way there are lots of documentaries that have done exceptionally well that are far less about the old hype and more about the real deal I think people may be ready to see and hear what really how it really fucking works it may be just shocking enough and interesting enough I don't know maybe I'm pitching it to you know out in the ether but I think I feel like there might be a market for this I really do because I can't can you think of any fitness anything that's come out that's shown anything real it's all been fake you know what I'm saying well see it again when Biggest Losers started off I watched the first five seasons it was really good dude it's exactly what you're talking about they told a very good story and there wasn't all this manipulating the weight and crazy like killing them last chance workout that evolved later on I wonder if this because what ended up happening and they've done this and I've read articles on this this is where I'm read I enjoy this stuff I enjoy reading into all this stuff the book hit makers gets into this in great detail that we are attracted to something that we recognize that's the past new is not new is not what we normally want we just want the story told a different way and so this is it's a different way yeah it is and I'm not saying that I can't people wouldn't watch it like we have an audience that would probably watch because they I'm just telling you that it wouldn't be a blockbuster idea bro it's not a it's not what you and it will people will always something like a Viceland doc where it's like you know it's a wave of like underground like people want raw real information and all that like there's gonna be a market for that but it's still not mainstream it's just not can you just not be open minded about the fact that it's not it's entertaining it's entertaining I know that you go to a car you go to an Indy 500 not because it's entertaining to watch a car go in circles because you think maybe a car will hit another car and a big explosion will happen you go to football not because you you can't really compete with that if you just yeah if you just why do you go to professional football versus like some Peewee football because you enjoy the level of crashes and the drama that's involved in it right there's just we seek that as humans it's a very natural thing that we seek for entertainment and bottom line is dude that type of shit would not get the ratings that it would need to survive I'm on a site right now looking up the biggest loser because I was just curious and season one or two was some of the highest ranked ones in terms of so maybe they changed it because they were trying to keep their audience rather than oh yeah absolutely I feel like the story the story could get boring right once you tell the story it could get with a formula like that so right once you see it once you've seen it one time like oh cool this is how you're supposed to be intuitive you're supposed to train slower like this okay you'd be done after once right you'd be done after one story because after that people love the drama then you bring a celebrity live once then you bring a celebrity on board 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