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All right. Enjoy this podcast. You're doing the NCI masterclass coaching tonight. I'm doing it in a masterclass tonight. So I'm actually pretty excited about it. I was going to ask you about it because I know you're the only one in the group so far that has done one of these. Like, how did it all go? Okay. So little context, right? So this is a, this is, these are trainers and coaches who sign up to get in more intensive personal coaching to make them better coaches and trainers. So Jason Phillips is the founder of NCI. It's a company that we work with that does these online coaching certification courses. Very, very good. So the only personal training type certification company that we actually aligned with or work with. Right. Because we like them a lot. Education wise. Yes. We like what they do. So anyway, it's he, he heads it and he asked us to, to do these courses once a week. So one of us will be on there once a week. And essentially what it is, is Jason asked me a bunch of questions and I'll answer them and talk about like, he would ask me questions about like, what's the most important attribute of a successful personal trainer? Right. So I talked about, you know, I've talked about this before on the show. Effective communication. Effective communication. So I talk about why that's important. So we go into all that. And then at the end there's, you know, I want to say there was about 60 trainers and coaches that were on there. And at the end that they get, they get to ask me questions. So they were asking things like, like one person asked me, you know, how do you get, if you have a client who doesn't want to listen to what you're telling them to do, like, how do you get them to, to comply? You just lied to them. Yeah. You force them. Yeah. No. And so I, you know, and I told them the early trainer version of me would have said this, but this is what the older wiser experience version of me, which is, that's fine. If they're showing up to the workouts, that's more than what they were doing before. Right. You inform them, you coach them, you train them, you be honest with them, but then it's up to them and you can't force somebody. But that doesn't mean you kick them out the door. I used to have this mentality and I know a lot of new trainers have this mentality, which is if you don't do what I say and if you don't get in shape, you can't train with me. Right. Everybody has the same amount of time in a day, right? You're not really serious. Yeah. And you're just not really, if you really want to help people, the people that need the most help are the ones that have the most challenges with that. You know, the reason why I think that's so prevalent in the space is because it works temporarily. It's kind of like leading with fear, right? Like leaders and managers that do that like, if you don't do your job, you're going to get fired. You get temporary buy-in. Yeah, you get temporary buy-in on that. And so I think there's this, I think the feedback loop that you get as a trainer is that, oh, I do this and yeah, my client shows up and they bring the heat the next time. But what you don't realize is that you're not changing behaviors in them. You're not, you're not building a new lifestyle with them. You're not changing the relationship they have. They're not taking the ownership of it. They're just doing it out of, based off of fear. Yeah, purely out of fear. And there's no long-term success with it. They drop off or they become part of the statistic, the 85 to 90% of people who lose weight and then gain it back, which is, you know, that's almost everybody. Well, I saw some of the subject that we're going to cover and it did look pretty fun. Oh, you see it ahead of time. Yeah, I mean, I talked to him a little bit ahead of time. I just kind of wanted to get a heads up of like what I was going to cover and like, you know, how to find your niche and, you know, like some of those characteristic traits that make a good coach and things like that. So yeah, it'll be exciting to kind of, you know, see where the conversation leads and see what kind of questions I get. My favorite part about all this is, and I haven't had a chance to go, I think I go next Wednesday is when I go. Jason's been trying to get me and us to do this for some time now. And one, we're extremely busy. Two, we are so resistant to the mastermind-esque type of group that we didn't want anything like that. And I remember when he came to me. I'll never forget because I drove here really like I was on the phone with him for like an hour, loved what he was doing. It was, I think it was on a weekend or a day when I was supposed to not be here and I called you guys, you know, I'm in the studio still. I said, I'm going to come down. I want to talk to you guys. I remember. Yeah. And I came down here and said, listen to how Jason wants to do this and tell me you guys don't love this idea. And the way he structured it is just, it's awesome because my concern, my knock on these mastermind groups is you pay, you know, tens of thousands of dollars to be involved in this, you know, quote unquote mastermind group. And most of them are just teaching you how to start your own mastermind group and do the same damn thing and it's basically like a pyramid scheme. Not a ton of value. Yeah. Not a ton of value on learning how to build a business and expensive. And this is $1,000 for a year. I mean, that's crazy. And these people have access to one of us, Doug, Doug's going to be on there. Justin, you, Sal, myself and Jason every single week where they get to interact and ask business questions. And then they have a private forum where they could interact with each other and us and then also start to set up. So what I foresee happening is the initial kind of conversations we all have for the first month or two. And then after they kind of get to know what everybody tends to. Oh yeah. The questions will probably get more specific. Yes. That's what I think is going to happen. And then I think that's where the tremendous value comes because I think a lot of people don't even know what each one of us kind of specialize in within the business because we don't always talk about that. And, you know, people know our personalities from the show, but, you know, what how who does what in the business. And I think as they start to learn that it'll start to drive better questions to ask each one of us. And so I'm really excited about it. And I love the I love the idea of, you know, to provide that much value for that lower price. I mean, I would charge more for a one hour phone call by myself just by itself. Right. More than $150. And I mean, I was training more charging more than that for a one hour session. So the fact that these people have access every week to one of us in addition to Jason, in addition to the private forum and all of the coaching tools that he has. I just I love it. I think it's tremendous value. Trainers will and coaches will always have a special place for us. So that's what we did. That's what we did for for decades. That's what we still are. I mean, if you ask me, you know, what I am on my core, that's still, you know, what I am, we just do it. We do it through now through a different medium. And I've said this so many times that I really believe this, like the people that have, well, generally speaking, the answers to the health problems that we're facing, which are monumental. I don't want to make light of this. Obesity in all of the umbrella issues that come because that's an umbrella term. All the issues that come under it and our diabetes and Alzheimer's and, you know, there was a statistic you just talked about how type two diabetes is exploding among children, which is crazy. I remember when I first got certified back in 1997, they called type two diabetes adult onset diabetes because kids didn't get it. That's in 1997. Today, so many kids are getting it now. Well, first of all, kids started getting like crazy. They changed the name. And you say getting it, so people think like you catch it like it's a disease. No, no, you develop it through your poor lifestyle. That's why I think it's important you clarify that. It's modeled to them. Because if you don't understand that, you go like, oh, that's so weird. Like it was a disease that only adults caught just two decades ago, but now kids catch it. Kids are so unhealthy that they change the name of adult onset diabetes to type two diabetes and it's exploding. And so what does this all mean? All these problems are extremely expensive for the society. They destroy innovation. Of course, quality of life is terrible. I mean, there's all these downstream effects. So it's a big problem. The solution to that problem isn't found in any industry except for the fitness and health industry. We're the only ones that actually have the real... I'm not saying the whole fitness and health industry because I think a big chunk of it contributed to that problem. But if you want the answers, that's where you're going to find it. And then if we really narrow it down, who in the fitness and health industry has the answers? Who really will make the real impact? Who can actually solve this real world that's coaches and trainers? Absolutely. So they're the ones on the front lines. It's an extremely rewarding job. It's an extremely rewarding career, but it is also a challenging career to build and do successfully. So I think it's very important to learn how to do it from people who've done it before because I know a lot of people who were very passionate about helping people. They just couldn't stick it out because it's... Well, that's what we see. That's why we're so passionate about doing whatever we can to show the gyms or to talk to coaches and trainers as much as possible to see if they haven't heard ways that they can better optimize their business and take on their business in a way where they're going to be able to monetize it and be able to keep it going because I think a lot of times we get so passionate about helping people but lose sight of how to keep that sustainably going and get revenue out of it. Now, have you guys seen stuff that's coming at AI-wise and tech-wise that's like entering our space that's really starting to change the game? I asked this question. I was reading an article on I think this company. I think it's... I want to say it's tractable was the name. Oh, I've seen the gym pass one. Have you seen that where you can basically... This is cool. I forget the name of it but basically you have this gym pass that you pay a monthly subscription fee and you can go into a gold or you can go into a UFC gym. It covers so many different types of gyms. Brilliant. So it's like the gold pass for California with the ski resorts. But now how do they do that because UFC is not affiliated with gold? They pay them. Yeah, exactly. They pay them a percentage or something. I'm sure. I don't think it's unlimited. I don't think you can get the gym pass and then go work out at the same UFC gym all the time. I think there's a certain amount of visits if I'm not mistaken. But nonetheless, it's very smart. Very, very interesting. I'm sure that's going to take off more is my point. I think it's a brilliant idea that just probably needs more awareness so they can get more people using it and, you know, gym see value in it. Yeah. Now, you said something. What did you say? Oh, I was just talking about this has nothing to do with fitness, but it's what made it. Because I was, it was like, I think it was tractable. This company contractable and it got a $1 billion valuation and they were taking on $50 or $60 million or something. And it's actually like for insurance companies and it's just going to completely flip and change how insurance is done because it's all done through, it's basically appraisals through your phone. So the, we can walk around the car and they'll, it'll see the damage that's done to a car and it'll easily calculate like based on the car model, this like that, give you. Yeah. It's going to, you know, appraisals and adjusters that come out for cars. Like that's a big process, right? If you get in a car accident, they send out the insurance company sends out an adjuster, adjuster comes out, gives their appraisal on what it'll be. It's like a whole process to do that. And this app makes you do that all, it does it all virtually and instantaneously give you that. So brilliant. And I was just thinking like, man, you know, I'm seeing this stuff all the time come out in the space and I feel like the fitness space is always so behind to come out with tech to, to support what we're doing. Yeah. The thing that I could see that would really, that might potentially have a huge impact would be something that, because now they have those, what, continual glucose monitors, right? So you put it on and it measures your glucose response kind of in real times, you know, how you respond to certain foods and stuff. I would love to see something like that, that measures metabolism in real time, measures glucose in real time, inflammatory markers in real time. Then you go on your phone and it's also connected to restaurants and food and, and it literally will tell you, here, eat this meal at 600 and something calories because you're burning this many right now with your metabolism and it's got this many carbs because this is your, and it literally just tells you what to do, when to do it. Now I don't think that's a long-term solution, but I could see a lot of people doing that and getting incredible results from coaching in real time. I think we are not too far off from being able to sit down and eat. And as you're eating the food, your iPhone watches like the macros are filling up. So you can look, so like I say, you'll be able to bite, yes, like it'll be able to, you know, or maybe as the plate, like maybe you'll be able to take a screenshot, get a chip in, maybe you'll be able to screenshot the plate. And then so when you clean the plate off, it'll automatically go, it'll know scan the food. Right. Like I don't think we're that far, that sounds like you should be able to do, they have some things that are some, so you could screenshot it and it'll calculate, I don't know how accurate those are yet. But I think that we've tried that when we get that down to where it's going to be that easy where someone can look at their iPhone and go and see if there are plus or minus on their calories for their day. What a cool accountability tool for somebody who's getting ready to go sit down at the restaurant. They're like, oh, wow, I only have like two or three hundred calories. I'm frustrated because I can't remember the guy's name that we befriended and we brought him in here to the studio before who was working on this incredibly audacious goal of bringing all the sensors involved with fitness and with nutrition and like organizing it in one platform. And then it would basically like give you HRV, gives you a glucose monitor, like activity level, like everything on one panel, like way, way more robust than than like Apple's Health or Google's Health. Oh, not only that, I remember he was the way he was building it was to where like so your glucose monitor would show like what restaurants would compliment like exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, your dietary needs. So if these types of foods affect you negatively and this these are the following restaurants are within a 10 mile radius. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's what here's the items on that that menu that would work best for you. Yeah. But then it would they would end up partnering with other restaurants and lying. Well, a Carl's Jr immediately corrupted. Well, then the other thing that I always go back to and with when it comes to fitness, like are all these things just kind of band-aids? Anyways, like is normally the real reason why somebody is severely is obese, right? Because that's a bait. We're not trying to solve somebody getting down to 5% body fat and getting shredded because that's the people I think will benefit the most from this like crazy tech. I don't think it's the people who really need to work on internal issues to deal with food. And right. So that's what my point, right? So the people that are already fitness fanatics, it reminds me of what our buddy Craig right when his his and I have no idea if this still exists or if he's still trying to get it off the ground. But, you know, his his his programming thing that was like, you know, it's supposed to it was supposed to progressively overload and supposed to figure the math out for you. So you just show up to the gym and these exercises and it's like it's so nuanced and so much data you had to input to figure out to get this back. It's like you have to be a fitness fanatic to even use this tool. And it's like you're and you're not really solving the the the obesity issue that's out there and helping those people. There's a real market. Yeah, I remember meeting this lady when we were doing our live events and she was saying that she was going through like this school for therapy, but also wanted to be a trainer at the same time and like combine both those practices and I was like, this is brilliant. I was like, I wonder if there's going to be a new certification. Eventually, you know, that will combine both of those, you know, different institutions together because that's I mean, that's what we're always talking about is human behavior is why biggest they might the problem is when you're talking about therapies, there's so many like barriers. There's a lot of rules and regulations of how much, how many courses you take, how many people you work with. It would be a long process unless they called it something else like they do with like life coaching or you know, there's a name and it doesn't require really any education. So, you know, I can't, I'm not a therapist, but I'm a, you know, I'm a life quality enhancer or whatever, you know, so you know, I mean, you say that kind of sarcastically, but the truth is, man, you know, who would you rather work with somebody who just finished their eight years of their psychology degree or the person that's worked, who's 65 years old and has worked with 3000 people that has no certification? Yeah, you know, my answer, of course, absolutely. But I mean, if you wanted to do it and you wanted to say you also did therapy, the laws would require you, of course, to have certain types of unfortunately, but I can't think of more complimentary, honestly, it's so complimentary to personal training. Oh, no, we were when we were touring touring around and doing the trainer talks and stuff like that. I remember meeting a trainer who was going through school and they had a kinesis major and a minor in psychology, so I don't think you could pick a better, you know, maybe it would be the other way around, you know, a major in psychology minor and kinesis or something would be even better possibly, right, because I think you even need more of the psychology. I mean, looking back now, as far as like my career as a trainer, I thought the X's and O's I thought all the certifications and the education around kinesis and stuff would be the answer to being a great trainer and it plays a significant role. Don't get me wrong. Yeah. But I think that the psychology aspect and behavioral sciences played a much larger impact on the real success. The problem isn't that we don't have access to information. You're right. It's there. Yeah. And I really do feel like there needs to be this intervention of understanding your own behaviors and how this is affecting everything. This is a complex problem. Yeah. And I think one of the things that contributed to it was the development of suburbs and freeways and, you know, if you live in, you know, more modern developments, I'd say since the 1950s, which is a lot of America, maybe even before that, you live where there's houses. And if you want to get anywhere, you have to drive. There's no, you don't walk anywhere. If you look at, by the way, if you look at the health of people that live in cities where it's not conducive to own a car, you see healthier people. Why? They just move more. Like it doesn't make sense to own and drive a car if you live in a metropolitan city where there's no parking. There's all kinds of stuff. So what do you do? You walk or you take the subway or take a, but you have to walk to all these places. That's one. Two, activity needs to be a cultural phenomenon. Like if you go in, in certain Asian countries and you wake up early in the morning, they have these parks and you see all these people out there practicing Tai Chi or stretching or exercising. Nobody told them to do that. It's a cultural thing. It's like, this is just kind of what we do every day. That's the other thing that has to happen. And then the third thing that has to happen is we have to destigmatize resistance training because the average person doesn't pick up dumbbells and barbells because they think that's for bodybuilders. That's just what you do when you want to get big. Not realizing that one hour a week of doing that would give them way more benefit than spending four hours a week doing other forms of exercise. I think that's the four prong kind of. Did you guys see our buddy, you know, Jordan Syat, my buddy, he moved from New York to Texas. I don't know if you just know that. I did. Did you see that he's getting his license right now? I know, he didn't have one. For the first time ever. How wild is that? Oh, wow. You don't need one. I know. Well, that's, I mean, he grew up, I think, most of his life over there. And to your point, you know, you walk everywhere or take a cab or Uber. You definitely get away with it in New York. Yeah. I just think that's fascinating for something. My brother did that. He moved to San Francisco. He moved out now. So he bought a car. But when he moved there, it was like four years ago, he sold his car because he never used it. And to park it cost him 300 or 400 bucks a month to park his car. Yeah. He's like, this is dumb. I don't even use my car. Sold it. And that was it. He didn't have a car for years. I totally get it and it makes total sense to me and so that. But personally, I, I like to drive. If you, if you, if everywhere you go, you can't drive to. No, I mean, yeah, but that's okay. Everywhere, most of the time, like you can't tell me that you don't drive out of the city sometime. And when he would, which is, you know, how often would he do that? Twice a month? Exactly. Yeah. He would rent a car. Yeah. You just rent one of those. Actually I have these, these, these new apps where you can rent a car. Yeah. What is it called? It's called like some personal owner. Yeah. Oh, you're talking about that one. Yeah. There's different types. There's a, they're called zip cars. There's zip cars, which is like, you know, they, they give you, there's an app, you go over and there's a code to get in the car. No, no, he was renting it from, it's like, it's like, what's it called? Airbnb, but with cars. Yes. And then there's those that are like Airbnb's for cars. And you can actually rent like someone's BMW. He was doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of people over there, their cars weren't doing shit during the week or on the weekend. So he's like, he'd go on and it was cheap. That mean, cause it's just sitting there. Think about it. If you own a car and you're not using it ever on the weekend, you would I wonder, I wonder what that price point has to be, to be really equitable for the car owner to do that. Exactly. You'd have to, I'd have to see like how that would. Right. I own, I own this beautiful M five and I'm not driving it because I live in the city and I haven't there, but how much do I need to make to make it worth? You can drive my Hooptie. Yeah. Right. Yeah. How much, how much I'm, I'm trying to figure out like, how much would you have to pay me to make it worth my while to let you borrow my car and put a thousand miles on it? Smell like whatever you smell like. Is that, is that a thing right there? It's called Turro. Supposedly the largest car sharing. Click on one of those cars. Yeah, give me a, give me a, give me a break. Tesla. They're the 2018 Tesla model. Yeah. Give me three. Oh, wow. It's ranked just like Airbnb's two or like the stars. $206 a day. There you go. 20s. And there's no, there's gotta be a mileage. 206. 206 a day. The mileage limit. Yeah. Uh, let's see. There's gotta be a mileage limit, but you can't, just 206. So we can drive it all the way down to San Diego and back and we'll be screw you. Oh. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Like you have to, there's gotta be, because the wear and tear in your car, if you're, you're, you're making a couple hundred bucks, but 260 of today is good. That's good. And that, but that's a Tesla. I wonder what like a regular sedan would be. I'm sure Tesla's are a little bit more. You think so? Yeah. I would think so. Yeah. Would you think so? More of a luxury. Well, because it's electric and it's, you know, it's cool. Oh, well, there's a, there's a BMW four series. That one's how much? $107. $107. That's a 2016. 2016, but it looks nice. Look at that. Yeah. It's a four series too. It's a smaller, a bit of bigger BMW with me. That's not very expensive. A 107 for the day. Yeah. Actually, why don't we rent a car from that place? No, that's actually a good point. Doug, what do we pay for our car that we parts of the trip? Yeah. We, we rented a car down in Utah. Yeah. And it was $300 and some dollars. And I drove it from the airport to the hotel. And then we came back the next day from the hotel to the airport. You might as well got a scooter. That was a waste of money. We, we did that another time too. Didn't we go somewhere? We've done that two or three times now. Yeah. Endeavor, we got two black, like SUVs. That one, I can't say what my fault was. This one was my fault. This one, this last one was my fault because Jerry asked me, she goes, do you want a rental car because Brooke is going to pick you and Doug up from the airport? And I said, you know what? I don't want to be trapped. I said, I don't. So we're going to be there for two days. I don't have it. Well, I haven't at this point, I haven't met her in person. I don't know. Are these people, I don't like the feeling of feeling trapped, right? So I told her, I said, you know, get it, get it for us. And then Doug and I will. Yeah, we're going to my parents' house, right? No, right. I didn't want, I didn't want that, right? So I said, we'll meet you there. But we ended up having a girl. That's when you fuck up and someone like you're with someone and then you mess up your answer wrong. Like, hey, so what are you doing later? Oh, I'm not really nothing. Oh, cool. Yeah. You want to just come with me? Oh, I mean, I'm doing a lot of things. Yeah, I forgot. I'm hella busy. I forgot. Yeah. You know, do you think that because your boys too, he just turned two. Yeah, that's right. Happy birthday to your son. Yeah, by the way, I cannot believe that this time. Okay, now that you have a kid, man, does do you experience this now? Yeah, well, it, it hits a hyper drive after one. So like, I really do feel like the first six months, it couldn't go fast enough. Like I was like, please God, get this kid to a place where he can sit up. Right. Like I just, I just remember, I remember thinking, I mean, the first, let's let me back up the first month, amazing, right? Like just eating it up. You got this, this new human that you created and it's a little version of you. And all he does is sleep on your chest. And so I gobbled all that when you were talking shit, by the way. Right here. Oh, it's easy guys. I got to tell you about Adam and I, I mean, Justin and I are looking at you like, okay, well, he didn't cry for like the first week or two, you know, which looking back now, I realized, well, he was a preemie for four weeks. We thought he was still in the womb. He still thought he was in the womb. You're all hopped up on adrenaline too, you know, you're like, yeah, yeah, right. I was all in a high and everything like that. That's my first boy and everything like that. So yeah, I was eating it up for like the first month. Just amazing. But then I got cabin fever. Then it was just like all we do was sit around. I mean, I watched more television that, that six months. So many recommendations. Oh yeah. You guys mad at us that we weren't watching these shows. Oh, I know I was. I was like, I burned through so many series and I was like, I could definitely, I could have done a side business on reviewing Netflix shows, right? So that was the first month. And then from, I would say month two to six, that felt forever. I mean, it really did feel like the Twilight Zone, the same thing. You know, he's getting up every two hours and feeding and you're just, you're at home all day long. And it just, that was like, please God, please get to a place where this kid could just sit up and do his own thing for a little bit. You know, 18 himself. Yeah. So, so then, then it gets to that point and then it gets really fun because every, every day almost feels new and a new thing he's learning or his face is changing or he's growing. And yeah, but when you see pictures of him, when he was like six months old or four months old, are you like, oh my God, that that was so fat? Like I felt like a long time ago, but it happened so fast. It does feel that way. But I'm so into his age right now that I don't like, oh, I missed that. Like there's like, I'm getting all pictures like later. Yeah, I mean, everything that he that I liked that he was doing because, you know, a lot of people say this too, like, oh, enjoy. Oh, by the way, I tell you guys this because when we talk about, I talk about like wanting to have this bond with Max forever. And like the prevailing thing that everybody says to me is just like, enjoy it while it lasts. You know, like I had, I got this lady wrote me like the sweetest DM and said, hey, I listen to every episode and I love you. Go what you guys are doing. And I just want you to know you just keep doing what you're doing because my husband and my you should see and my son, he's 25 years old and they've been inseparable since birth and he sounds just like you. The way you guys are together. And they're the best of friends and many of the family members are jealous of their relationship because they're so bonded and so tight. So I think she even said, fuck everybody who tells you that enjoy it while it lasts because you can create that for yourself. You can build that relationship. So anyways, yeah, I hope that continues, right? We have that kind of bond right now where all the good stuff that I had in the first early months, I'm still getting that right now. So that's great. That's crazy, too. But I was going to say because he's to my youngest of eight months. So do you think so you're something to be 16 in 14 years. My son will be in about 15 years. Do you think that they'll be by that point driving their own cars? Or do you think by that point it's going to be a total waste of time to get a license because you're going to get on an app and a car is going to drive itself to them and drive them off? I mean, we've talked about this before. I mean, think about it. That's like 15 years from now. So it could theoretically. That can happen even, yeah. Well, I think before the autonomous cars happen, I do think companies like Uber are going to figure out the, you know, annual fee to have access to Uber all the time. Meaning that they pay a fee and it's unlimited. That's right. That's right. So that's already been kind of, they've already kind of mathematically figured it out that they can. And supposedly it's feasible already to make it more cheaper to have this access. It could be hundreds of dollars a month. It would be cheaper than paying for car payment, insurance and gas. That's what I'm saying. So the, I think they've done the math on like, what is the lower average of a car payment and insurance? The average person. That's a game changer. What does it cost? And would it be feasible to if people, if all those same people had a, you know, annual membership to Uber, which basically gives them their card and they can go and use as many rides, whatever they want and do without that. And it would still, it would be a win for both parties. That's brilliant. So I think that before autonomous cars happen, and that is most likely going to be in by our. I think that's longer than we think. I, well, I think it's the autonomous cars are what I'm saying. Autonomous cars. That's because there's a lot of regulations in government. And do we see how everything's getting so crazy, like dysfunctional, just, you know, just what they're trying to sift through right now is insane. And to, to try and introduce like innovation, I think we got to clean up a lot of shit. Well, look how, look at, look how long it's taking to move to the electric car direction. I mean, gas should be kind of obsolete with cars when you think about it. I mean, the amount of power that Tesla can, can generate, how efficient it really is, we really should convert all that way. But what it's just still not, it's still not, it's cost effective to point to the point where people buy electric cars instead of gas. Yeah. So it's good. So I do think before we see autonomous cars, I agree with you, Justin. I think that's further out. But I do think what I, that sounds pretty, pretty reasonable. Yeah. But 15 years is a decent amount of time. Now the challenge is going to be, how do we have autonomous cars on the road with people driving cars? That's going to be the challenge. What that's going to look like. But 15 years, bro, a lot can change in 15 years. Think about like 15 years ago, think of the, who's going to be our president and who's going to be, you know, the person at the helm that's going to lead all that. I'm pretty sure that's when the rock will be the president Biden. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. The rock, huh? No, no, that's when the aliens put themselves. I bank on it. I'm telling you right now, the rock, the, I'm going to call that is in the next. The rock? Yes. He's hinted at it. In the next decade and a half, he, so, but by that time, I think he, he just dropped the whole celebrity. I know, dude, with our government. It's, it's, it's a popularity contest. It is. And it's, and it's always been. And back in the days, you used to be, who had the most money to be able to get out there and campaign and manipulate the most amount of people with the power of the internet and social media. And you already like. Why can't it be a problem solver, like an Elon, Elon Musk kind of guy, you know, or a girl that's out there like making real changes. They're not liked enough. We don't want smart people, dude. That's stupid. We want likable, you know, people that divide everybody, I think is what we want. I, you know, it's where it's more and more looking like the movie Idiocracy. You guys have to see the movie. It's 100% Idiocracy. I know you still haven't seen that. No, whatever it is, is that new? We're devolving. This guy, this guy's like, he's like frozen cryo, you know, cryogenic later, whatever. It wakes up and he's in way in the future. And he's a regular like average dude, right? But what ended up happening while he was being frozen was that dumb people had way more kids than smart people. So over time, everybody got really stupid. Yeah. What? Is this a new movie or is it a little movie? No, it's a little movie. Mike Judd, was he the one that did it? I think so. I think so. Yeah, so he comes out and he's a regular guy when he went down in, but when he comes out he's brilliant. Yeah, he's genius. And the president of the America of the U.S. is this pro wrestler. Yeah. And they, everybody drinks. They're all sponsored, everybody's sponsored by like all these companies. What was it called, Brando or, I don't know, it was this drink that's like, it's got electrolytes and they feed the plants it and they can't figure out why their crops are dying. Everything's dying. But yeah, he's a pro wrestler president. I'm like, oh, we're so close. Dude, you know what that was. So close to that. What you gotta rewatch that. What you just said reminds me of something. And I think we shared this years ago. Remember when we went to the, I took you guys to the Smackdown thing with Craig at the, I surprised you with the tickets to the wrestling? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh my God, I forgot about that. Right. That's the only thing I remember about it. Who was that? Was that with Craig? Yeah, it was Craig. He dropped a beef for him there. Sorry about that. But the thing that you just reminded me of with the president being a wrestler and being sponsored by something like that. You remember how wild it was to, like I hadn't been to one of those events since I was like a really little kid. So it's evolved a lot. I mean, it's, they found so many ways to monetize it. I know. That it's, it became this, you know, six hour long production. It wasn't like a one hour, two hour type of match like going to, it was like six hours and they had it broken up with all these commercials and they had commercials with brands like Doritos and Pepsi, stuff that nobody else gets to see. It's just the people in the arena. Yes. Because they were wrestlers that are promoting it. Yes. They had these videos, I know. I was really fascinated by that. There's this whole other world in there that you don't, if you're unless you're in it, you wouldn't even see those commercials or experiencing that. I was wondering like, how much money do you think is in that, in the advertising space? And I don't even know what you would, I don't even know what Doug would Google to figure that out. Like what, You know what I was tripping out on was, you know those old games like Sims and, you know, some of those virtual reality, even like World of Warcraft and, you know, these things that are like fully immersive that people like spent like an exorbitant amount of time in and had friendships there, even like made relationships virtually with people inside like this whole game and they would like change themselves completely and like be this like dragon with this huge penis and like really random crazy stuff, right? And I'm like, this like literally looks like what's happening in the real world now. Like literally like that same like mentality and concept. It's just weird like leaped from the virtual into reality. Well, I think that, I think player one did such a good job at picking this. I mean, I do think that we're this close to something very similar to that where, you know, virtual, I mean, isn't that the, I always forget the name Roblox. Is that the name? Is that how I say Roblox is the thing that your kids are all doing? Now they're doing, aren't they doing virtual? Yeah. Basically fake. There's games and thin games inside it. You know, and they're all, they're holding like massive concerts virtually. But you go on Roblox to watch it. Yeah, you probably, I think if this is how it works, I think you get your Roblox character, which an avatar you build, right? So your character attends these concerts and gets to mingle with all the other people that attended it and you have to pay to get into it, right? So, I mean, I did make a little dugs away from computer right now, but I'm curious to who's done, I know there's some artists that have done it already. I think Travis Scott did it. And I think they made millions and millions of dollars doing this like virtually. Well, they're in a concert in Roblox. Yes. I'm going to look it up right now. Back to what you were saying though, about this major celebrity being president. It'll be a YouTube star or something like that. Oh. TikTok. That'll be, that's it. It's one of the Paul brothers. Yes. Don't, it's going to happen, dude. It's going to be one of these TikTok stars or whatever. I'm going to be president. I'm going to fix everything. Ah, no. You're not. Yeah, we need to go to, I'm going to go to Mars. Yeah. Give me, give me on that fucking rocket. Yeah. I'm out of here. Hey, so speaking of, you know, whatever, Adam, are you going to miss us? Because we're going to Hawaii and you're not. Well, here's the year he has a vacation. On November 13th and 14th, Little Nas X dazzled the world with a virtual concert experience performed entirely within Roblox. Not only was it a first of its kind achievement for both Little Nas X and Roblox, but it attracted more than 30 million visits to his show-stopping spectacle across. But was he still lap dancing Satan? I don't know. Yeah, that's the important thing. Yeah, that's the important thing. I'm more interested in it, how much people pay to get in because it attracted 30 million people. That's true, huh? Roblox is for kids and they had lap dancing. It's a strange choice. Strange choice. Yeah, good job. Now back to your Hawaii thing. Yeah, because we're going and you're not. Are you feeling, are you going to miss us? Yeah, I'm going to miss you guys. I always do when we're not here for a while. If we don't see each other. We'll send you lots of pictures and stuff from the pool. Yeah, I want to see Justin all tanned and abbed up. That's what I'm actually. Sal's going to bring his banana hammocks. I'll bring you one too. Now, are you guys, so I'm trying to think, have we done like a tropical week vacation together? We haven't done like a Cabo, Mexico or anything. We haven't planned in a couple of years, right? Yeah, so we haven't. So how are all of you guys? I've done it with Justin before. Justin and I have been on trips like this before. Yeah, we're good vacation buddies. I'm funny, like, with the way I am with vacation, right? So I'm not the most fun to be with and just being. Like normally. He's like a homebody. He's like a homebody in another place. Yeah, you know what I mean? When I vacation, like my type of vacation, so it's like my sister and her husband, Tom, are like the complete opposite. Yeah, they're adventurers. Like they decide we're going to go somewhere and weeks leading up to the vacation, they, he does research. I love them. He researches the all the five star and the local places to go for food and the places that you want to see that nobody knows about. Like, I mean, he does his homework. And then after he does his homework, he plans out his whole week. Okay, Monday, we're going to get up at this time. We're going to go here. We're going to do these things, spend the half day there. We're going to stop at this place, which is down the road and eat there. Then we're like that. I am like, fuck no. I don't want none of that. I don't want to do any of that. I want to go there and not plan anything. And maybe stay in my infinity pool the entire week. This is what I do. I go back and forth between Tom and then Adam. And I just kind of stack it out because I like both those approaches, but it depends on what mood I'm in. Nowadays, I'm probably more like you, where I won't do anything, especially because we have the baby. But before, when Jessica and I would go on trips, we were such good vacation partners because we like to adventure. Now, we don't do what your brother-in-law does, where we really go crazy. But what we like to do is wake up early. We typically work out together. I love working out on vacation because I can take my time and enjoy. And then we get in the car and we just go explore. And I love that. I love driving places, exploring different restaurants. Let's go meet different people, hang out at this bar, hang out. And then it's just really, really fun. Sitting in one place the whole time, I don't know. I don't know if I could- I get criticized for that because, you know, everyone's like, well, what's the point of going to this place because you want to, you know, you can find out about the culture and do all this. And I totally get it. So if you're that person, I understand. And I think, you know, more power to you. And I've done that before. But what I feel like on a trip like that, I want another vacation when I get fucking home. Yeah. And I feel like I've been going, going, going. And I'm tired. And then I just want to take a week off of work, which is the opposite of what- You're the oldest guy I know. That's what I'm saying. Right? Like, I want to go on a vacation. And I want to just, I want to be pampered. I want to relax. I want to enjoy. I want to eat. I want to sleep. I want to- I know what to get. So dude, like, I base it off of like, how I wake up in the morning. If I got energy, I'm like, okay, we're doing shit today. You know, if I'm like, oh, I'm like struggling. Why am I struggling to do something? I'm like, no, I'm just going to stay here and relax and chill and whatever. So yeah, it's totally like- I mean, we're probably more like you just, because I'm also, I mean, I'm saying that, but I'm also not like a, you know, if Justin said, hey, let's go fly fishing today or let's go do this. So I'm like, I'm down. Like, let's go do that. I just don't, I don't, it's, it's got to be on my terms. It can't be planned. It can't be planned ahead because I don't know how I'm going to feel. I don't know if on, if Tuesday night, I'm going to have a drink until 11, 12 o'clock at night, partying, right? And then hungover feeling in the morning. And then you asked, that was the day we're supposed to go on the seven mile hike up at mountain. I know what to get you for your 40th now. I'm going to get you a nice spa treatment package. All day, you go there, massage, facial. Hey, I wouldn't hate on that. You know, just relax. I wouldn't hate on that for sure. That's totally something. I know, no, I do, I do like, you know, and more so as I've gotten older, like that type of stuff, I probably would have scoffed at in my 20s, a massage or a spa. No, I like to either party really hard or do go out and check things out. And then relaxing is third. But like I said, now that we have a baby, we're probably going to relax. Now, speaking of partying and you guys going out to Hawaii, you need to make sure I just saw Jerry ordered. I don't know if it was specifically for you guys, another hundred pack. That's for us. Z-botics. Yeah. Well, it's in the back still. So you better not forget it or else you're going to regret it. I know this guy will be drinking pretty much every day. Oh yeah. And I'm going to be hanging out with him. So I'm going to keep up. It'll influence you. Oh yeah. Now who's more likely to drink more you or Jessica? Who's more likely to drink more? Oh, well, no. Well, Jessica, not that much. She has interesting reaction to alcohol sometimes. Oh, really? Yeah, sometimes she'll get migraines. She enjoys whiskey though, which I like. She likes to, yeah. She likes, she drinks like an old established man. She likes whiskey and, yeah. The refined, you know. Yeah, like the PD, you know, she doesn't know the word she uses to describe her or whatever. I'm the fruity drink person. Yeah. We have all the lava flows. Hey, we ordered drinks when we would go on vacation. We'd ordered drinks. The guy, I guarantee the waiter brings over. Yes. Her drink to you or the other way around. Oh, isn't that funny? Yes. Who got the whistling, you know, whistling pig whiskey or whatever the name is. And you're like, no, that's hers. Yeah. I'll take this. I got the watermelon mojito. Thank you very much. You know what I'm saying? But no, I think the drink of choice for me is probably going to be vodka tonic because lots of sugar with alcohol. Not a good combination. That's honestly an even Courtney's move to that just because it's refreshing and it's not a whole lot of sweet, sugary stuff to deal with. Yeah, but I also feel like that is one of the best things that Z-Biotic does so well. I feel like if I have that, I can get away. I can get away with a lot. I can get away. I can too. I can get away with mixing. I know that's why it's dangerous. I can get away with the sweet drinks. Yeah, I can get away with a lot. Now, if I don't, I got to be very careful on how many I have. I got to be careful on what alcohols I choose. But the Z-Biotic, I swear I can get away with all way more shit. Well, I can too, which makes it a little dangerous because then I tend to push it a little bit. Yeah, no, Katrina on the other hand, she'll drink every day. She loves going out with Justin and Courtney. Oh yeah, your girl's got four livers. Yeah, she's funny. Like, I'm not going to drink. Then like, Katrina would be like, oh, let's have a drink, you guys. I'm like, yeah, great idea. Splash your idea, not mine. I tease her so much about it that she hides it every once in a while when she does it. So like, she'll have like, there's been times where like, you know, we're doing stuff in the house. Maybe I went upstairs, I just got home from work and a lot of times I shower as soon as I get home and she's with the baby and stuff. And I come down and I see that she's got, looks like a Diet Coke on the counter and I grab it and I just sip it and it's kind of alcohol. What the hell? Yeah. It's fucking Tuesday. What are you doing? She's like, relax. My day's ending right now. I wanted to have one. I've been good all week. And this, I'm like, listen, look at you, dude. I'm more of an edible person. That's what I'll do. I'll do more of the cannabis edibles, I think. Oh, that'll put me down. Yeah, those are nice, too. Yeah, that puts me into it. No, that's chill, bro. If you're at the pool and you have a nice, you know, even. Edibles tend to, unless it's the right one and it has to be the right one and it's always hit and miss for me. Well, maybe because you take too much, dude. I see you. You gotta find your brain. You gotta find your nose. They can make you sleepy. Well, yeah, if you take 70 milligrams. That's what you gotta take to feel it. How many you got in there? No, I'm sorry. I mean, I've been off of smoking that much that I'm super lightweight right now. Yeah, yeah. I took that whole month off and then even since then I've intermittently been smoking and so I had to be careful because it doesn't take very long. That was my favorite thing. That was my favorite story of yours. Like, I don't know, people send a shit all the time. We get this little bottle of like, it's like liquid something and it's got cannabis in it. Oh yeah. And this is literally what Adam does. He drinks the whole thing and then he hands it to me and he goes, how much is in this? Tastes good. Yeah, he drank the whole thing. So how much is it? Well, I remember. And then I look at it and I'm like, I did the math. I'm like 10 milligrams. There's this many servings. I'm like, bro, you just had 75 milligrams of T.H. You better call a ride. I remember when the guy, the rep who brought it to us, I forgot the brand and the company that this was. So I should shot him out. But thanks for drugging my friend. Well, maybe I shouldn't for this reason, right? Cause I remember he brought him to me and he was like, you know, oh, these are really mild and you know, and I'm like, oh, okay. Like thinking that it was no big deal. And of course that's like stoner. I guess I have a stoner look to me. So maybe, you know, like from one stoner or another, like, oh, these are light, bro. Yeah. So, you know what I think of one can, I'm thinking like who's gonna drink a fourth of a can. You know what I'm saying? Like who's gonna open a can of a soda and drink one fourth of it and then put it back. So I'm just assuming whoever created this drink would make a good dose for the whole can, not a can that you would want to break up in sevenths. You know what I'm saying? That makes no sense to me. So I just drank it. And then later on found out that I had that. Maybe that's why I didn't take off. Yeah. Well, you know, I'm only supposed to take sips out of a soda? Yeah. Nobody does that. Who does that? Hey, real quick, I hope you're enjoying this podcast. Head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out some of the free guides that we've made for our listeners. So we have guides on improving your squat, improving your mobility, developing your arms, getting a better core, burning body fat. We have guides for personal trainers and much more. They're all totally free. Mindpumpfree.com, head over there. All right, enjoy the rest of this podcast. Our first caller is Audrey from Pennsylvania. Hey, Audrey, how can we help you? Hi, you guys. So first of all, thank you for everything that you do. It's an honor to be talking with you. So basically I'm normally a very active person and I had emergency surgery back in September for appendicitis. And everything seemed to go well with that. But during my recovery, there seemed to be some type of nerve damage that had been done, perhaps through the surgery or perhaps through working with my sports doctor. So what ended up happening is I had extreme 10 out of 10 pain most of the time for several months up until about April when I was able to finally do things again. What I did was I started with maps anabolic in pre-phase to get back into my lifting. And then I worked through maps anabolic backwards from phase three to phase one. So my question is, I'd like to get back some functional strength and my athleticism again. If I go into maps performance to accomplish that goal, can I start at phase one, even though I'm coming off of a similar, the phase one of maps anabolic being heavy going into a heavy phase of maps performance? Yeah, that's a really good question. So for people who aren't familiar with the programs, phase one of maps anabolic and phase one of performance, they have some different exercises. It's a little bit different, but essentially you're lifting heavy weight, lower reps, you're doing longer rest periods. And so the question is like, okay, I'm moving out of that kind of a phase do I go straight into the similar phase into the next program? So my answer to that is yes, but I would shorten it. So I would do, you did three weeks of phase one and maps anabolic. Yeah, maybe two of performance. Yeah, I do one or two in mass performance and then move on. And the reason why I'm saying that is because it is different in mass performance in terms of the programming. The tempo is a bit different. A bit different. So I would go one to two weeks, phase one, then jump right into phase two of performance and then you should be totally good. I can tell you listen to the show too for quite a bit because I think we've talked about that a long time ago, right? If somebody was injured, how I would train them. And I think I talked about Katrina training reverse, right? As far as anabolic, is that what made you decide to do that? I'm actually a personal trainer on the side. And yeah, but I've been listening to you guys for since 2014. So you're my fitness mentors for sure. I love it. I love it. We've been around there. Yeah. I'm sorry to say again. No, I love that. I mean, I think that's just a smart decision after coming out of an injury like that. Going right, some people start with like an anabolic and go right into strength. And I'm like, if you're just getting back from recovering, starting, and so the audience that doesn't understand what we're talking about, phase three of anabolic is higher reps, right? Higher reps, lower weight. So I just think that's a smarter play. Even though in the program, that's our third phase. If I had somebody who was recovering from something or just getting off of a surgery, I would rather them do lighter weight and more reps until we fully recover before we go after like a strength phase. So I think that was a brilliant way to run that program. And you have access to Prime Pro and Prime, I see in the question, because those are the other things that I would say to add to your routine. Yeah. I did that as best I could during recovery. I was very, I was in a lot of pain. So even that was difficult for me, but I lost a lot of mobility. I lost a lot of weight. It was pretty terrible. Well, it's good to have you back. So you're 100% now? Just about. I measure that by my deadlift weight last year, which was 260. So I consider myself at like not anywhere near 100%, but I'm working at it. Cool. Well, yeah, no, do what we said. I go one week or two weeks in phase one of performance and then keep moving. Those mobility sessions and performance, those mobility workouts are gonna be really, really high. Oh my gosh. Yeah, those are awesome. All right, cool. Thank you for calling in. Thank you guys very much. Have a good day. No problem. Yeah, that's cool. It's cool to have a question from someone who's got some experience and kind of understand, because the goal always was to create these programs, have people follow them and then kind of learn their body and adjust them to their individual needs. Well, that's great that we have a podcast to explain it even further. And I think that's why it's important like you're able to do both because we did have to write those kind of generally, but I love the way that she was able to, you know, create that to be more specific to her needs. I talked about this right after Katrina's pregnancy. So, and I got a lot of questions around, you know, why did you tell her to go to phase three in reverse? And it's not that she couldn't have started in anabolic phase one. I mean, I could have had her do that and then just told her, hey, back off the intensity and don't try and max load anything and take it easy. But it was just as, it was easier for me to say, hey, just run the program in reverse. So that, because what I'm looking at is, I know that it's gonna be 10 weeks or so before she even gets to really heavy lifting and she'll be lifting lighter weight for more reps, which is less risk when I have somebody who's, you know, in her case, just coming back from recovering from pregnancy or in this case, somebody recovering from injury. I think it's just a smarter strategy. And that's again, like to your point, this is how we always created these programs. It's not a one size fits all. It's, you know, take the print core principles from them. It doesn't mean you can't modify and change. Our next caller is Brian from New Hampshire. What's up Brian? How can we help you? Hey, how's it going guys? First of all, I just want to say thanks for all the content you put out. You guys are awesome. Just nice to get that unbiased viewpoint and just you guys are willing to change your minds about anything. That's great. So I think, I know some people do a little bit of background. I think that would help with my question, help you guys answer it. So I retired from Roe hockey about a year and a half ago in March, 2020. And I've always been into like mobility. I do like the Kelly stare and stuff. Nice. Pavel Satslain, just for like injury prevention my whole career, been weightlifting since I was 10. I've been training for hypertrophy for the last like four months, just to kind of get a new fitness goal as opposed to like always doing performance stuff my whole life. So recently I got the job I work at now. It's this company, we make stretch suits called stay on liberty. But I'm trying to film a promo video where I'm doing a side split, wearing one of the suits. I was wondering if like you guys think that those are conflicting goals. Like if I'm squatting twice a week, is that going to like hinder my progress if I'm trying to do side splits? No, it's not. There's a common misconception that strength training reduces flexibility. It actually improves functional flexibility. Now the key is to practice your splits. So you're just trying to get into the splits. So static stretching is going to get you there the fastest and daily practice of the static stretching. But no, it's not going to hinder or prevent you from being able to do any type of strip. What do you guys think though about him doing some specific exercises like a Cossack squats? Like I think somebody who is working towards doing like the splits, I think that would be a, and let's say he's squatting twice a week or whatever, I would actually pull like a traditional back squat out one day and then do something like Cossack squats in there and really try and stretch your capacity on the range of motion and flexibility in that movement. So you try to connect and create opportunities for strength out of that position. I think that would be smart or even isometrically trying to get a bit lower with that and really connect. So it's not just passive flexibility you're after. You can gain some kind of active control over it. But yeah, I mean it's, again, if that's your pursuit, it's not going to be a confliction as long as you're still trying to connect and make it a strength. And then also what do you guys think about him starting and ending the workout with that, right? So if my goal is to get to this splits, I do my priming and mobility work and warm up to try and get to that place as far as close as I can. I do my strength training routine and then even at the end of the routine, I do it again. I work on that again. Yeah, no, I would do lots of static stretching at the end of the workout. I mean, if you're, okay, so when you do this, when you're doing this, whatever, this photo, this performance, you're just going to sit in the side splits, right? Yeah. Yeah, so static stretching is going to get you to the fastest because you don't need to be able to move or get out of it very quickly. You're just- But I also want to like combine it with being like strong in that range of motion. So I don't want to just sit, like I could probably do that today if I sat in a stretch, you know. Well, then what Adam said is ideal. I mean, then practice things like Cossack squats and side lunges and stuff like that to kind of work on that. And then when you do the static stretches and your side splits, when you get into that position, activate your inner thigh and outer thigh muscles. I mean, really, if you just turn them on when you're in that position, that'll help you connect with that, that really wide range of motion. Had a curiosity, were you a goalie? No, I wasn't. I was just a center. Okay, only reason why I'm asking is I know goalies have like tremendous flexibility in hockey. So what's this in your question about having a flat ass? We have to address this. Oh, no, no, it's a girlfriend, kind of like six months after I retired, kind of made a comment about it. And that was like, it just kind of hit home. I was like, God, I was back in the squat rack the next day. And that one cuts deep. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, but yeah, do that. Do you have a MAPS Prime Pro, Brian? I do not, no. Okay, there's great stuff in MAPS Prime Pro that'll help you develop more connection to greater ranges of motion. So we'll send that over to you. Okay, awesome. Yeah, I really appreciate it. No problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, thanks for having me on, guys. This girlfriend's mean, huh? My girl will tell me, too, if I'm leaving. So don't you want like honest feedback? Yeah, but do you say that to you? Would you ever say that to your girl? Oh, you lost your ass. Yeah, we're pretty good. You would? Oh, yeah, no. I wouldn't say it directly like that, but I would definitely hint at it. I don't know if I'd be like, hey, honey, you're losing your ass. It depends on the relationship, right? Yeah, no, she's, I mean, one of the things I love about her is that she loves that about me is that I just have no filter and have a really hard time. Gotta keep it real. Yeah, bullshitting. So if she asked me, I wasn't gonna tell her the answer. You know, our buddy, Jordan Syat, is working on this right now. Have you guys, I don't know how quick, how often you guys click over? Glute gains? No, on splits. Oh, splits. Yeah, he's on. And I should probably look more into exactly what the reason behind it or whatever, but I saw him post maybe, I don't know, I wanna say three weeks ago or so that he, and he showed a video of like, how far he could get right now, which was terrible. And then he's showing his progress. So maybe also check into that, you know? So I don't know, you know, George, if you are, listen, who's, who's, what's the name you got? I feel like one of us needs to do it. So let's go down. Brian, it's Adam. So Brian, once you check out our buddy, Jordan Syat, I think it's Syat Fitness is what his handle is. And Jordan's a pretty smart trainer himself. And I think he's actually working on that. So maybe follow on his journey. Yeah, the splits were cool for a second though. And remember Van Dam, he would like bust them out. I never got that. Like, that's his flex, you know? Like, oh, hey, I could go on a countertop like this. Yeah, but how hard do you kick, bro? Well, I think the flex on that was that he could do that and he was buff, right? Yeah, I don't want to be, there isn't good shape in Hansel. Yeah, and he could also go for it. And he could also do a 360 round kick with the... We'd have to give the girls opinion on that. Like, does that do something for you? I don't know. I think anything he did at that time would have done something for us. Just whoosh, yep. Check me out. Our next caller is George from North Carolina. Hey, what's up, George? How can we help you? Hey, guys. Well, thank you for allowing me to ask a question. Very grateful here and love you guys show. I've been listening for a long time now. Thank you. Nice. I just wanted to go ahead and ask this question is actually on behalf of my wife. She is pretty much my workout partner and she works out with me consistently or did before COVID. So I just wanted to get her a little bit healthier. So she pretty much has worked out in hypertrophy setting for a few years now and also just constantly going in between standard calories and a calorie deficit. So I just wanted to get your guys opinion and help her moving forward to really get over that mental aspect of increasing the calories, to being a quote unquote, bokeh stage and also to focus really on building strength and instead of just trying to work out to look a certain way. Yeah, so what was the name Sal of the episode that we did just recently? I think was it called Why Women Should Bowl? Oh, there you go. Yeah, we just did it. We did a whole thing like perfect for her if you haven't heard that already. That's a great idea. Have her listen to that episode because the whole episode was dedicated to why women should bulk or the benefits of bulking. Maybe Doug or Andrew could look up what number that was. I know we did it in the last couple of weeks. I mean, obviously look, here's the deal. The benefits you'll get from feeding her body to build strength is she's gonna have a faster metabolism, it's gonna make getting lean much easier in the future and much easier to maintain. Of course, more muscle means more curve. A lot of women are afraid of building muscle because they think it's gonna make them look not feminine. This is not true, except in really, really rare extreme cases, building muscle just adds more curve. You have a rounder butt, you have better posture. You have a nice tight midsection, a nice hamstring. So those are the benefits, but the problem is when you're communicating to somebody who's got kind of a psychological issue with a particular pursuit and you're trying to give them logic, it doesn't always work, so really I would say, if she was my client, this is what I would do. I would say, okay, here's what we're gonna do. I'm gonna want you to take your scale and I want you to put it in the closet. You're not gonna weigh yourself for the next two to three months. We're not gonna weigh you at all. All we're gonna focus on is how strong you are. That's the goal, let's get you strong. Now at the end of two months or three months, then we'll test your body fat, we'll see your lean body masses and we'll see what we've done within that period of time. But for the next few months, don't weigh yourself and we're just gonna focus on strength. And if she can just do that, that should be enough to get her out of that mental block. George, the episode number is episode 1565. So 1565, and I would really point her in that drill. We could sit here and give you all these like little one-liner tips, but I know how hard this is to convince. I mean, the reason why we did that episode and wanted to talk about it for a full hour was because it was one of the most difficult things for me to do as a coach. Getting a client, a female client that would come in and tell me, Adam, I wanna lean out or look a certain way and I assess their diet. I assess what's going on with them. And almost always what I wanna do is increase calories and focus on gaining and quote unquote, bulking. And that just scares the shit out of all of them. And it would be quite the process, even as a professional, right? She's coming to me, hiring me, I'm supposed to be the professional. So I totally probably know how you feel as the husband trying to convince your wife to do this and how challenging that is. So I would listen to that episode because we really unpack all of that and we give all the points and the reasoning. It goes against like everything you hear in pop culture, every kind of like magazine that women are reading, all the marketing out there that's just dog shit. And so that is something that we're always having to address with new clients coming in and having these type of goals. So great episode to really turn her on to understand better how this will really benefit her. Yeah, and here's the deal too. If she can do this for about two or three months, usually at the end of that period, they're convinced. Usually after 60 to 90 days, you're showing them, oh my gosh, you're eating 500 more calories a day. I just tested your body fat, it didn't go up, but you gained some muscle, you have a faster metabolism, or you got leaner, that sometimes that would even happen. Wow, it looks like your body fat percentage actually went down and you're eating more food and you're stronger and you feel good. And oftentimes at that point they would say, okay, now I trust the process. It's just they need that proof initially and that's the hard, the first step is the hard. I don't remember actually even kind of lying and like to my clients to get them to do this when what I mean by that is like, I would be obviously as a coach, I'm tracking all their calories. And so, let's say I'm training Susie and Susie's eating 1500 calories. She's afraid to death of bulking and stuff like that. Instead of me even terming what we're doing as bulking or even letting her know. Just give her a meal plan. And yeah, I just, I would add, I would just say, you know what? I really want to see if I add this to your diet, if you notice a difference in your skin and your mood and your hair and your energy and I like, I would tie it to something totally different and then I would just add a couple hundred calories and it could be like an apple and 10 almonds or something. And I would just keep doing that incrementally until I've got to a point where I bumped it to like, you say like 500 calories, say, guess what we've done, you know, and then explain it afterwards. I tricked you. No, you know what I used to say, I used to say this, I would have these conversations and then I would look at them and I'd say, look, I'm going to ask you this one time to put your trust in me. And I promise I'll never have to ask for your trust again. And that sometimes would work because I think at that point, the person just wants to give up and give control to someone else, to some extent. And that would work sometimes, but I feel like George is a hard one. Yeah, this is tough being the husband of God. You know your wife the best, right? Whatever method that is gonna work. Hey, look, if she, by the way, if she starts doing this, you cannot compliment her enough, okay? You got to encourage what's going on. So she starts to eat more, she starts to lift, but oh my God, honey, you look incredible. Wow, look at your butt. My God, he feels so tight. Just to kind of make her feel good about the changes. No, that's a great point because the next hurdle that you would have as a coach, or in this case, a workout partner, is then she does start to build a little bit of muscle, but then clothes might start fitting a little tighter. And right away, they start freaking out like, oh my God, my jeans don't fit. I told you, I did not want to do this stupid bulk and now I'm getting fatter or bigger. And so Sal's point is so on point, you have to continue to reassure that you love the way her body is shaping up and changing the definition. You're right, right. So make sure you are complimenting through that process because once you do finally convince them that it's smart and a good idea for them to bulk, then they start doing it. And then the next thing they do is start saying like, oh my God, my shirts are in my pants or something's fitting tight. I'm getting too big. It'll be a little manipulative, a little. I was like, yeah, I definitely did listen to that episode. I pointed her towards that one as soon as it came out because I just knew how beneficial and how it made me think about things differently. I was a trainer in a big box gym for a year before COVID happened. And I just realized that most of the women clients that I had, they listened to me over listening to any of their other family members. So that was my main reason for reaching out to you guys is just to, you know, get an answer from an outside source because being the husband, you know, I can only do so much before she tells me to go away. That's true. What's your wife's name? Kirstie. Kirstie or Kirstie? K-I-R-S-T-Y. All right, Kirstie, this is Sal from Mind Pump. I know you know who I am. You listen to my podcast. I want you to bulk, do a slow bulk for about two or three months, focus on strength. Don't weigh yourself anymore. Trust me, it's gonna work. Watch what happens at the end. Awesome. Thank you guys. Is there any specific program that I should point to about having a bottle like I was thinking? Maybe that would be a good one. That's perfect. That's ideal right there. That's the one, do that. Okay, awesome. Thank you very much guys. I appreciate it. Thanks, George. Boy, that's a hard one. I tell you. Oh, that's a hard one as a trainer and a coach. I mean, that was- Let alone your husband. Yeah. I mean, it took me over three years before I could even get ahold of Katrina's diet and training. You know, even with all my experience, her knowing me, seeing everything that I had done in fitness, I didn't even touch that area because it's just tough when you're of the family, when you're inside that. What's that saying, Doug? A hard to be a profit in your own? What's the- In your own country, yeah. Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, that's a tough one. Our next caller is Eric from California. What's up, Eric? How can we help you? Hey, what's going on guys? How are you guys doing? Good. We're in California, are you? I'm actually in San Rafael in the North Bay. Oh, not far from us at all. Yeah. How can we help you, buddy? I love the content, guys. I really do appreciate you guys having me on the show. So to give a little background, I played collegiate golf from 2015 to 2019. And I was going through a lot of personal issues back then which we made or you turned to food and alcohol to kind of fill the void. I went into freshman year at five, seven, 150 to 200 pounds by the end of my sophomore year. We had a trainer and we did strength training workouts with the team, but I kind of just ate so much and drank so much that I just gained a bunch of body fat. And I wasn't really going through the workouts with intensity either. I was just kind of going through the movements so that I didn't get kicked off the team. I was able to get past my personal issues and really started to get into resistance training by the end of my junior year. And my buddy Gavin Bean actually turned me on to you guys and I was able to get down to a healthy 158. Lately, I've been training more for aesthetics, doing more of a push full leg split, five to six days a week for no more than an hour a day. I don't do any other specific cardio other than walking. And I roughly get around 10,000 steps a day. And currently on a bulk, eating around 2,800 to 3,000 calories a day. So for my main question, now that I've gotten down to a body that I'm happy with, I'm just focusing on getting stronger. And although I'm definitely improving in my lifts, it's not necessarily translating to more distance on the golf course. If anything, I'm hitting the ball shorter now compared to when I was fat and had little to no muscle. So what are some specific exercises or mobility movements that I can do to gain more distance on the golf course? Yeah, that's very common. Yeah, great question. So here's the deal, okay? I'm probably stronger than most golf golfers. I thought he was gonna say that. I can't hit- I'm the strongest golfer in there. I am the strongest person in the room right now. Yeah, listen. Sorry, we couldn't help it, dude. Listen, stop speaking so much truth. No, so check this out. I'm definitely stronger than most golfers. I cannot hit not even a 10th of the distance that a golfer can because it's technique, it's skill and technique. So gaining strength in the gym isn't gonna translate if your technique is now thrown off because you're not getting them to connect. You're not working with them together. Especially golf. Technique is number one. Now, if you wanna do movements to improve upon your technique, a lot of it's gonna be rotational, a lot of it's gonna be mobility-based. It's not gonna be bench presses and deadlifts and squats. Those are good for general health and strength, but if your goal is to hit the ball further, I would focus more on skill and technique and then maybe focus on rotation and focus on increasing a range of motion and connection to more rotation. Something like, you know, windmills and looking into getting that thoracic rotation and just being able to be more fluid with your body because of the focus being on strength for a while and not really emphasizing, you know, skill and the technique that you had in place previous to that, just getting back into that mentality and allowing, you know, your shoulders to be more loose and free and mobile along with your hips and kind of work your way down the joints and put a lot more emphasis on, you know, freeing up your body to be able to move fast and loose. I mean, something's gotta give here. You're not just a regular golfer. You're a high-level golfer, which was probably playing a lot more golf than what you're probably currently playing right now. Yeah, you're lifting weights five or six days a week. How many days a week are you golfing and practicing your skill and technique? Probably like one to two days a week. Well, there's your answer. I mean, that means, so you're getting great results. I mean, your strength is going up. You've built the body that you want. You still want to get some more strength. So you've just, you've completely went from the guy who wasn't even strength training really much at all or just kind of going through the motions and playing a ton of golf to now all of a sudden building a physique that you like the way, not only the way it looks and performs and then also thinking that you're going to keep up to the same level of, and someone like you is going to see more discrepancy than the average person. An average guy like myself who golfs every once in a while or like my buddies who golf once every other week, they might not see that much of a discrepancy in this, but you are at such a high level with the sport that this makes a huge difference, especially since you're getting bulkier and stronger, building more muscle and practicing the skill a lot less. So something's got to give here. You've got to be either one, okay with probably losing a little bit of the golf skill and seeing that slide back as you continue to build strength and to get stronger and to look better, or you go, man, I'm going to scale back a little bit of this strength training and I'm going to introduce more skill training back into golf or more days of golf every week and then so I can improve that. To be clear, the resistance training is not why you're losing your distance. That's right, it sounds like that what I'm saying. It's the lack of practice of golf. Okay, so it's not the strength training. It's because you're golfing once or twice a week. Now, if you want to really do well with golf, then I would flip that. I'd go, resistance training once or twice a week and golf every single day and then watch what happens or just keep doing what you're doing and be okay with the fact that you're not gonna, golf is good, but you'll look good, you know? Which by the way, and we just had a question earlier today that was related to this, that don't be surprised, you could actually still get stronger and only train once or twice a week in the gym. So if you really want to get better at that, at your golf game again, do exactly what Sal was saying, get back to playing four or five times a week and strength train full body one or two times a week and then like a very, like a match. Adding those kin stretches on telling you, man, to be able to ramp up that and generate more force, you know, out of those hips, be able to transfer that up, you know, in through your entire body and really connect, you know, from fingertips to toes, you know, you're gonna reconnect and have more of that athleticism back. Eric, are you following MAPS performance? No. That's the program you got. Yeah, that's the routine. So Doug, Doug will send that over to you. So Doug will send MAPS performance over to you. I appreciate that. That's the foundation that, but again, I would mold it and shape it more specific for you since the mobility exercises are general, like the guys are saying, I would do more rotational type things that are going to translate over into golf for my mobility stuff. I would also scale back on the amount of days based off of I want to see more progress in golf or I would leave it the way it is if I care more about building strength in muscle. How many days a week were you golfing when you were competing in golf in college? Oh yeah, we were playing every single day about five to six days a week, literally. I'm gonna give you a very straight answer, okay? Whatever you want to get better at, do that the most. So that's it, bottom line. That's the formula. Essentially what you're asking is, hey, I used to golf every day, now I golf once a week and I can't hit the ball as well. Now the answer's quite obvious, isn't it? Yeah, right. Cool, all right, we'll send you over MAPS performance. We appreciate the call. Well, thanks for answering my question guys. I really appreciate you guys. You got it, man, no problem. That's, it's so, it's so funny to me. I get it because people, you know, they want to do two things at one time and they don't connect the two, but if you did, if you were at a high level doing something five days a week, you move it down to one day a week, are you gonna see a decrease in your performance, especially if you're at a high level? Of course, of course you are. Well, it's the- It reduced your practice. It's the number one thing we get. I mean, this is the same question worded a different way. Oh yeah. I mean, every week we have this, I have this goal and this goal, I want them both. Well, how do I do it? And it's, you know, especially when they are so different. You know, it's not, there's not a lot that he's gonna- They're gonna marathons, but I want to be a bodybuilder. Yeah, so just some cool- And it doesn't mean that you can't be kind of a buff guy that can run, you know what I'm saying? But- You're just not gonna be your peak at either one. That's right. You're not gonna be the best version of yourself at running. You're not gonna be the best version. And the same thing with him. He's not gonna be the best golfer and also the buffest he's ever been. It's just, he's now focused his adaptation in that direction. So it's what he's gonna get. And by the way, this is how resistance training gets a bad rap. Is that people will do this? I think it's bad. Yeah, and then they're like, oh my gosh, you know, I'm not as flexible as I used to be. Yeah, so it's taken away from their skills. Yeah, it must be the strength training. It's like, no, you used to stretch every day and now it's one day a week. That's why your flexibility's going down. Not only that, but you have to integrate the strength and muscle into your skill. You know, look, I'll tell you what, if you're watching this right now and I slapped 20 pounds of muscle on your body with strength, your skill and technique for whatever you're highly skilled at would decrease because you have a new body. You're not used to this 20 pound heavier body that you're moving around. You have to integrate the two. And you're not practicing with it too. That's what I'm saying. You gotta integrate the two. So whatever you wanna be the best at, that's what you do the most. That's this very simple answer with that. Look, if you like Mind Pump, you gotta head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free stuff. We give away all kinds of free information on everything from burning body fat to building muscle to improving your health. Again, mindpumpfree.com. You can also find all of us on Instagram. So you can find Justin at Mind Pump. Justin, me at Mind Pump Sal and Adam at Mind Pump, Adam. An important part of development. If you want somebody to be able to do transfer, okay? So if you want someone to do the same thing over and over and over again, then okay. Like you can have them train by doing the same thing over and over and over again. But if you want transfer, which is their ability to take those skills and apply them to new challenges, which of course is like the essence of not only athletic creativity, but