 I have to duck out at 7.30 for a class. I did not know I would have it 7.30 tonight. So, apologies for that. Okay, so we'll kick this off. Is Susie coming in? Do you know if you want to see her? She's going to be late now. Okay, so I have 7.05. I'll call the meeting to order. I'll punch you to the agenda. First item of business is welcome to our new board member. So, a pleasure saying you. And it's also a pleasure hearing from you. Any comments from the public? Not at the moment, but we'll see what happens. Okay, that was your chance. That is true. Not having any comments at this time, push forward. I wanted to try and clean up a bunch of the outstanding minutes that we've previously approved and that we need to sign. So, uh, I believe Tracy has some things for myself and Cynthia to sign. Do I have to sign the agenda, too? No, that's the one that's just a little bit of a lot of business. That's not it. So, I think that means a field stop. So, do I have a motion to approve this tonight's meeting minutes for men? Second. Yeah, second. Sorry, I think I cut up. All in favor? Fine. Okay, tonight's minutes for last night or for last meeting for tonight. Can we sign that? Let's sign those. Okay, so having dispensed with all that and because of Catherine's short time with this tonight, I wanted to try and get the board officer elections out in front of the group so we can figure out who our officers are going to be going forward. I know for sure we said we would be voting on a chair and a vice chair. Tracy is going to be our secretary so you win the election. And as last I recall, the friends of the library liaison was up for discussion. So, let's start with the big one. Do we have a volunteer or a nomination for chairman of this group? All in favor? Bye. Thank you. Congratulations, madam chairman. Vice chair. Do we have a volunteer? A volunteer. Second and approved. Okay, so we have a vice chair. So the last one is friends of the library liaison. When are those meetings? I'm glad that it uses you. No, it's good, that's all. Okay, we have a volunteer for a liaison. She asked when the meetings were, somebody did. I was wondering when those meetings are, I guess. Like, if you're a liaison, when do you go? I was just curious. Sorry, if I'm holding anything up. You're not holding anything up. So they're every month, I think you're the third Wednesday? Remember when I was writing for the fourth Wednesday? Third Wednesday of the month. So we had some discussion last meeting about whether to continue every... Why don't you just review that for real? Yeah, I believe, Rihanna, that the questions were raised. Is it valuable for us to continue going to every meeting? And then Mark raised the point that in the past the board liaison had voting privileges and so that was another point of clarification that I don't think we have reached out to receive clarity on yet. So previous to this year, I believe the liaison went weekly, this year we tried switching off, which was only moderately successful. So it could change in the future. And the previous board I was on, we had a backup in case the main person couldn't make it too, so could you try that instead? Okay, you're cutting out from time to time, Rihanna, so... Yeah, I think all good. My question was answered. Thank you. Okay, so we have a volunteer and if that motion carries, then we have a liaison and if you find that, you know, you can't make it then just let us know and we'll see if we can find somebody else for a month or whatever. Okay. Is that fair? I don't anticipate that being a problem. Okay, great. Okay, I think that got through my big issues. So, John, I'll turn it over to you. Do you have things for us tonight and can you also discuss the book's order in a methamphetamine issue while you have this order? Yeah, so the book's order is fully installed and operational. In fact, for those of us here at some point, we can go take a look at it if you want and kind of see how it works. It's kind of cool. So, we can kind of cross that off our list now finally. Got installed, had very two minor glitches with it that stopped operations of the sorter for like all of a half a day. So, it's working great. It's helping with efficiencies for sure as far as getting materials in and because of the way it sorts, it puts them in these right categories to make it much faster to shell. So, very happy about that. In methamphetamine news, everyone's favorite topic, we just sent out to staff I think last week or so. So, then Boulder County Public Health put out some information on testing and what it means in public spaces versus residential spaces and kind of adding, not kind of, but actually adding clarity to all that's going on in this, which I think was much needed. I think I had mentioned at the last meeting we did hear some rapid tests that the city has that they use in the housing authority as a determining factor to see if they need to take next steps either in testing or remediation. And so, we did that here and all the rest, we did the restrooms because that's where it happens and all that came back negative. We haven't had any other cases since. We have protocols in place so if we suspect any illegal drug use, we close the restroom right away and clean it and that's what the Boulder County Health recommends and really nothing further after that except for the public to continue to be conscientious and wash your hands and you know all that kind of stuff. Yes. I unfortunately have a little experience with this based on a residential thing that happened to me when I was trying to buy a house and we had meth contamination come up so one thing that where they found it was in the air ducts. So, I'm just curious if you ever had the ducts tested or if you are aware of the city has ever had, not you personally but. Yeah, so as far as the ducts, so I did have a meeting with our director of facilities here, Jeff and I did and I asked those questions particularly because that's what happened at Boulder Public and the way this building is structured is not the same. So, the restroom exhaust fans just blow all the air out right and our intake they're not it's so it's not connected to the HVAC system at all for one thing and then the HVAC system for the building is on the other side of the roof. So, the potential for exhaust smoke to come out and be sucked back into this building is nearly impossible. That's great. Yeah, so we don't I don't think we have that same concern that happened in Boulder and certainly residences is different as well and in fact that's what the Boulder County Health reported was resident that the whole all these testing protocols were designed for residences and and actually developed for a toddler who was exposed to meth 24 hours a day and so to use those in a public space actually doesn't make sense. They would have to come up, someone would have to come up with just different testing protocols so it's highly unlikely that any we've ever experienced that here but we did the rapid test anyway just in case because we had a case or two where we thought someone might have done something. So that information is out, I've shared it with staff and made it available in case anyone from the public were to ask you know what what's going on and so we can hand that out it's kind of like an FAQ a bunch of counties have been doing this. Ultimately what they're saying is this isn't a major public health crisis it's actually very low risk to have exposure in a public restroom and and that's for me that's good to get that information out and to maybe start downplaying a little bit of the hype that's kind of come up about it and and this kind of sense of extreme risk that probably isn't there at least according to the health experts. So do you think Boulder Road reacted? I don't think Boulder Public did because their building actually did get take it in into their air ducts and they tested that and it was in the air so it was coming into the library but that's why I asked our facilities here if we would be in that same situation and they said no. They also reported that there was a new cabinet right next to where the intake was which had to be shot. Not to mention that the use that they discovered in catching people in the act was rampant like a lot in a day so you know not a one off here or there. And they had complaints too. Staff were feeling sick and dizzy and all kinds of stuff. So I don't think Boulder Public overreacted at all. I think they did create a sense of height John's opinion and some of these other libraries you've heard about I believe pre-emptively tested and then ended up shutting down on protocols that weren't designed for a public space. So I feel pretty good for long long. It sounds like the drug you see well do see in the bathrooms is more of a one-off then. It's a one-off here and at the end of the day the one or two that we we found basically the after effects and you know it's like foil and ashes. We kind of assumed that probably that's what it was but actually it could have been another drug. You know it could have been fentanyl it could have been anything. There was a lot of things that smoked. So whether it was meth or not we still don't know except for the rapid test that we did which all threw back negative. So with any luck we'll talk about this lesson lesson. You haven't seen a rise in the incident of patrons that have been distressed as you know the sacred distressed or the influence of drugs. You haven't seen a rise or a change in behavior or anything like that. I mean really the our our day-to-day is still the same. Occasionally I have incidents of various things you know that could be one of them but we certainly are paying attention to that one. It's just been those more or two times. Okay. Did you have any new items for us? No. Okay. I should apologize to you. Do you want to run this now that you're here? I am happy to. Next. Very good. Friends of the library report. Do you have anything from the French group? They both have their retreat. Yeah. I mean Jamie and I were at the retreat last night. They were longer than I was. Yeah. They had their I think it's an annual retreat and talked about kind of the year ahead and doing some planning and strategic planning and one of those is happening tonight with one of the first of four book sales throughout the year to raise money obviously. So but they I'm trying to think what else what else was discussed. There was a lot of what one might do at the beginning of the year retreat in terms of goal setting and reviewing priorities and you know it for the brief time that I was there and kind of listening to the discussion it struck me as a group that is trying to kind of step into a new a new age a new era kind of modernize and codify some of the things that they're doing document things clarify you know whose roles are what so cleaning up all of their organizational stuff and looking how to be more effective it did come up and it's come up in personal conversations with Prudence the president you know just wanting to continue to work on improving relations with library staff and there's other volunteers I guess at the library is this there's some tension between the people who volunteer in the bookshop and the people who do other things who may work on the sales and we should all be one half a panel and that sort of so yeah and a lot of talk with individual members of that board thinking I had wanted to do legacy planning of what we do in a couple of years when we can no longer do what we're doing and how to relieve you know whatever it is the sales organizing or the sorting or they were talking about like different places maybe to sort books or store books or what don't we do next okay great um nothing else on the friends I'll move along um Susie do you have anything for us um just a couple of just dates um so we didn't have the rest of our annual legislative year the last time I think we had one that wasn't able to attend the other was during virtually and then the third one had to be early so sorry so we rescheduled um so the dinner will be Friday March 3rd from six to eight the end of the senior center it is open to the public so if anybody wanted to to attend um some of the topics that we put on the agenda to discuss the 2023 legislative initiatives law enforcement reforms mental health housing affordability hope for the unhoused preschool climate crisis oil and gas and it's pretty much everything uh workers compensation forest fire insurance coverage um and then um you know with single-use plastics yeah so there's a few other few other items to to discuss and then I believe that there is a time for public invited to be heard so if you want to uh public comment at the end you are welcome to to attend um we did set our retreat agenda for March 10th and 11th it's a two day the first day Friday morning we'll be actually doing a lot of um conflict management guide looking at guidelines on social media as far as council members what's appropriate what's uh what's professional courageous conversation training um and then pretty much I believe the only shift is rather than lunch meeting at 12 30 I know we kept it at 12 30 so that after in the afternoon that's when we're really going to be talking about uh you know city city issues surveys you know public input the next day we'll be looking at our vision and work plan and setting our goals for the second day we'll have more you wanted to appear with um as far as our goals and um what our priorities are for the next year the second day I think has more topics to be discussed so will there be any time when the the agenda you believe to talk about the proposed cultural tax initiative is still does that make it to your so I've seen so like that we were looking at the employee survey we what staff what does staff need from council satisfaction survey um it sounds like as we're looking at our roadmaps there's opportunity to to bring in those things because I know on council we have a lot of questions opportunity at this retreat or hopefully we get we get we are able to hear before then I thought so it'll be around the same time so I'm sorry Suzy I couldn't hear you there when you turned away oh so here are you maybe I'll bring this closer the long day kind of mattery um you know there might be opportunity for us to discuss in here if we haven't heard from it at council beforehand but I do yeah I do want something to come back to us I was looking at the timeline that you all sent and I believe it wasn't there a march early March so I my my interpretation was that it was going to come to us at a city council meeting in the month of March oh would you agree with that show okay okay for anything else for us we are going to we think how we're going to distribute the ronko money for the stadium um you know we had some heated conversations yesterday where you all were reading it's in the news you know I told you I'm a district negotiator I don't know I can be patient until a period of time and yeah so I just I I was not happy with how the process was initiated to begin with I think there should have been something stipulated beforehand rather than people were starting to throw in their resolutions and ideas of the way you know time out so yep we're gonna try again is there a deadline where you have to make it this final I I know we're gonna have to report out next year of what we use the money for so so I missed the discussion but it was my understanding that because it was a one-time benefit you were target the council was targeting one-time expenses yeah something that would only yeah require one-time expense so if we're looking at funding programs you know once the money's gone those programs will go and fund it sure so and then how again I'm sorry for missing no no no no how was the priority set up for which ones get picked and which ones don't so that's where so I had brought up an idea of rather than having council decide because the other thing was weird once they started presenting on you know supporting the youth center and you're having the money allocated for the dome um it just felt weird as I'm presenting I'm like wait a minute I feel like that I shouldn't vote on this if I have my seat in the game then I shouldn't vote on that jacquita shouldn't vote on it Tim shouldn't vote you know so then it's so that's where I was like this is this is a weird this is a weird process this isn't working we're going to have to rethink the proposal I brought and we're gonna we're tabling it until the mayor comes back with what she heard from the state of district liaison is that we carve out 200,000 that would go towards non-profits who apply and then the rest of the money really I would like I would like to see it go to children's but or just hand it back to staff and find the appropriate because they're they're the ones that are out there you know with the public with the one with the kids with especially youth camps or youth center they're the ones who are who are in the trenches with that it's a weird to hear so I mean that was initially what I was thinking of before you know people start throwing in their resolutions and all that and I was like okay okay I gotta act now otherwise you know if I don't say anything so we're gonna try again so so does council come up with the ideas or does city staff present the ideas in council on that you guys rank for how to spend the money no there was no process other than what the mayors had said okay well we had council member yoverland myself who had the idea for allocating it for space for the youth center and or recreation and for dual purpose in that regard and then council member waters have the resolution for the extension of the children's system okay well you can probably read where my head's going this is like where he had it I yeah well single shovel ready projects well and that's so initially what I thought well what I thought was that we were not going to select any one department because then it fits one department over the other and then as we were digging in and looking you know for the facility you know first a one time so then we're told that you know the other thing we were told was that we cannot use it for capital improvement so that would make the most sense so then that's one time is since it's one time so that's where you know my head was just like I'm giving up yeah so then then it was okay well we'll just do it together children do the bandwidth I'm done I'm done but no I I I hear you I hear you well I mean that I mean we've addressed the sorter so so that's water well and I think for me I mean what we were looking at well the first round that it the first time it came back to us we were told or it was under the assumption that it was supposed to go to something athletic so some kind of sports or recreation sports or something to that degree so movements without fitness chess what new chess story time yeah yeah so um so then you know we were thinking along okay how can we address that need but really it was targeting what we wanted to do is target and this I'm talking about I also remember Yarbaugh and myself are targeting the kids who are maybe on the cuss of getting involved with gang activity criminal activity the ones that are not engaged in school but if we are able to expand the youth center and bring especially with if we had it near Timberline getting some of those kids engaged and seeing having them be exposed to your healthy role models healthy adult role models and that's that was what we kind of envisioned is really targeting the need is we're seeing an increased number of kids and I work at a title in school and I see it with former students with my students kid over siblings and parents it's just that involvement with you know pre gang activity criminal activity you know and we're seeing a rise in the community so what what can we do that is proactive so that's kind of where my mind was going with this and then I don't know just kind of everything's about that out of control I think we're all with good intentions but it's time to take it back to the dry board okay well I know you'll you'll cite her on good I would just recommend that maybe the library has a program that fits everything you said that yeah can be a single use expense don't disagree staff have not been asked well again with without having seen the debate I feel like I'm probably misinformed but it just seems from listening to you talk that there's not a real good process in front of you all to weigh in on no what I ended up doing is I conducted a really quick impromptu survey that targeted educators in the district well my former students everything that I had an infinite campus I just pulled up grabbed emails that was you know over 500 and you were shot shot those out shot out to our union members to children's youth and families of the youth council was engaged in that process so it was really ideally what we were targeting was students okay unless you have something else for you know yeah I'm not sure who could turn this next one over to you Jeff or are you going to talk about the city's cultural recreation I'll start John and jump in as as he can so in your packet was the timeline that staff have developed for the tax initiative with the next big thing occurring is the polling city has the council has appropriated up to forty thousand dollars to create a survey that will be statistically valid so we aren't ever everybody in this room is not going to get emailed the survey so we can't just go online or ask people to go online because we want it to be valid and really represent the broader community in their opinion on the different questions so the two of the city assistant city managers and Becky Doyle are finalizing the polling questions city council had the opportunity to look at those questions but because of the timing issue none of the boards have been asked or given the opportunity to look at those questions it's well from what John and I were told last that that survey should be going out soon with the results to be presented back to council in March so so the boards will not be asked will be because of the timing and needing to get it turned around once that information has been provided to council John and I and Tracy will provide that the survey results you just as soon as we can if you want I based on what feedback John and I have been given I can kind of share a kind of how it relates to the library if you're interested in so just as a reminder included in the tax initiative right now is 22.7 million dollars for thirty thousand square foot branch library as well as a little over three million dollars for operating of that branch library that includes all costs to operate it as well as a capital replacement fund so that as things in the branch would need to be replaced there is a resource to have money to do that work right now within the city system we do not have that type of funding source and at times I believe it puts us behind as it relates to being able to maintain our facility so that is included again it's a statistically valid survey should be going out soon included in that survey there are questions about often do you use the 12 facilities the library being one of those recreation museum golf and the youth center in there it asks specifically about the library at least the draft does I don't want to get ahead of myself and say this is final but the last draft that I did see would include what the property tax would increase and what sales tax would increase to help cover the operation and just ballparking it just to give you kind of an idea is the property tax would go up approximately $38 a year for a home that's valued at $500,000 and sales tax would increase by 11 cents on $100 of taxable purchases it also asked that same question about museum about recreation about about the park enhancements again that information will be collected over the the next month and presented to council and again we'll get that information to you as soon as it is available well thanks for sharing that so you can't because I was a little slow in hearing all the reports you were making I just want to kind of go through what I thought I heard so did you say well first of all from an overall perspective the survey as it relates to the library identifies all this all these things that you're you're asking the public to weigh in okay and then did you say 22 million there's a capital budget for the branch 22.7 for the for the branch for the branch library and does the initiative have other capital not for the funding for the library just for the branch just the branch at a near so I think I know where you're going at a well I don't know where I'm going so what because it's only the one branch there are things in motion that John and I are working on for the budget process to ask for the funding for a store storefront library as well which would be separate from this initiative because based on on the study it recommended both a branch a large branch library and a storefront so John and I are working incidentally the folder is just moving forward on their their board library branch that made paper today John and I talked about that branch and what we'll probably go over and visit that yeah so so then in terms of what you're asking the public to weigh in on can you comment as to what level of service you're trying to fund remember there's a preferred level of service and baseline level of service is any of that that is not in these numbers this is specifically about capital capital and operational dollars to operate the branch which would move us towards the preferred level but it does not get us to top one percent it was it was one component of the preferred level so there's there's that other aspect if I may to the feasibility study that really hasn't been baked into anything going to the voter or do you think it will or do you think I don't believe it will what John and I have talked in please John jump in is trying to address that some of that with a first phase proposal in request excuse me request for the 24 budget so these things would be done in conjunction we really want to have the storefront in that request so that we we have an alternative if the tax initiative would fail okay well I I think it's great that the city's embracing the concept of a branch in the storefront yeah to me half of the message from the feasibility studies in terms of what needs to be done here in terms of staffing facilities stuff like that and somehow on all this I would hope that that gets in place and addressed I mean there's a lot of money being pushed around those short and and I think as we're moving forward in this process and we're trying to define what would be in a branch library that it would provide opportunity that maybe doesn't have to be at the main library which then could result in us restructuring what happens here so that we're trying to provide a wide variety of library experiences across our community that's fair I mean that's a that's a fair response in my mind it's just understanding what that all is and because there are deficiencies here in terms of programming staffing facilities maintenance stuff like that that I think yeah and those are all things we will be reporting back to you as we start getting ready for the 24 process and those yeah they need to be brought forward because I think in many times in the past we weren't hearing that it was articulated to city you know the powers that be us that that was a need yeah so that was also very frustrating it's like you hear these side conversations but once it came to officially you know making that request it wasn't happening yeah well thank you all guess I request this here thank you good I mean that's okay my supertivity is pretty sick of me so well I appreciate the support you just put in to be the fact excuse me that the boards don't get to weigh in then kind of shields the public from those issues that unless the city did somehow figures out how to put them back in front of the public to weigh in on they just won't get addressed but I and yes I agree with that I I guess my response would be is after this the polling results are are back I think that will educate the city on what really should move forward or maybe it doesn't move forward in the tax initiative and again that's based on direction from council and then based on that direction will include boards in the community involvement processes attending different community events to get word out and gather information that sort of thing so I there will be a time and I and I think soon that the board will have more of an active role in that once the the polling is done okay I'm kind of stepping once in these toes a little bit here but you had mentioned last time that maybe we should get Becky Doyle in to talk to the group I wanted to present this information as a future and we can certainly do that I will also share that in the meetings when John and I are there we're sharing the board's point of view with the main thing that we're trying to represent is your interest in having dedicated taxes that are committed to the library I don't I can't really respond on because there's no decision or no direction that's been given but I will assure you all that we are sharing that message often as much as we can well thank you for that because there's really nothing I could want to say it's being protected I mean you've targeted some money right but I mean that can go away over time you know whatever so I mean it's how how do we manage it so the library is protected and I and you've heard that message yeah I think you know where our heads are at uh again I'll kind of since I'm monopolizing the conversation there I'll throw one more out on the paper I've seen some stuff in the paper where where the city is I want to say struggling but but trying to figure out how to move forward on a bunch of initiatives it already has because of inflation inflation impact do you see that impacting what you're trying to do here was a cultural initiative do you think this is good money or do you think it needs to be more or do you think it's going to get superseded by the emergencies of the day so this will be for the exit meaning if we go to a vote can this money be used for something different well meaning that there's so much attention to not being able to do the things you've already proved that that somehow this this gets superseded is all right that's probably a question for susie more do you want me to take another shot at clarify what I'm I'm thinking so I'm trying to figure out what you're so are you saying that in due to the you know inflation and the cost to build that branch library exceeds is that what you're talking about not not exactly where where my head was at was that if the if the city is struggling now with the money it's allocated for these projects because it's not enough yeah to try and overcome that gap so to speak they're going to try and find money to complete those projects and buy by by putting that demand back on the community plus this demand for additional monies on the community so somehow kill what you're trying to do hearing you know something is to go another initiative was to go on the ballot yes to cover the water you know the all the water repairs the Nelson blingers and what was the other one that was a price part that exceeded the cost of exceeding what was um anticipated um well one you cannot use the money the voters voted on this that money cannot be used to to it's more it's more political capital thing if the voters have to pony up a little bit more for what's already been approved will they pony up for this initiative this does this initiative go away for a while in effort to i that's not my understanding and i would not prove that in a better way than i know i wouldn't i have not heard that i have not heard that okay the but to respond to something else you did say mark is the amount of money that we have you know that we estimated that projects cost um that was done last fall and john and i have uh made a flight yeah and we've we made a suggestion that based on being six months later and knowing what we're seeing in costs uh for current projects do we need to revisit our estimates to make sure we're not setting the city up for a whole another set of issues that they're facing with the current projects that's that's my question i was involved in the uh capital project for me to have a high school building for the shining that water school and just because everything takes so long with getting more permitting and blah blah blah before we even work on on that building the costs had skyrocketed and the more COVID had come in and all of these other contributing factors to inflation but now we were looking at having another huge gap to uh to to reach so that would be a concern of my you know what is the contingency it's like all about contingency plans in the yes you know even thinking about the initiative if that doesn't go as favorably for the library as we would like what's planned yeah you know what are the alternative funding structures that we want for the next yeah but yeah because it's even well i mean it's all fair and it's a taxpayer i i think you can appreciate if if the number hits too big it's just not going to go and there we go right but as this group who has a goal right it's like we've got to be ready to pivot to like all right well that was a great idea didn't go the way we wanted to i can't wait to see how you guys do that well i i think i've monopolized enough time here do you all have questions you want to get in front of jeff or john on this before it's just to clarify and my understanding is frankly that a lot of things are still up for possible changes based on the pulling results in july is when that will be finalized yeah because council has to set the ordinances in august and that one thing that brought up a something i was talking about last month city council sets the ordinances and sets the valid questions it does not have to go to a fuller count so one other question i thought like this is a smaller part these is my understanding from what you just said is if this plan moves forward there would be requests for a large budget increases can you all remind us of what the schedule for a budget is in the city um capital improvement projects generally staff make our requests in april for the general fund which would be the operating dollars for the library that is done in may that usually shuts off the system shuts off right around the 31st of may and depends on when that weekend falls but that that's our timeline of those are the only time we can really make requests for point four we see what is proposed in late august when the city manager is required to submit a budget to city council will you be able to share that with this group before the city weighs in let me try that a different way so in april and may i don't want to supersede your conversations with your your fellow staff members but just be nice at the beginning of the process you know what you're trying to ask for so whatever political weight this group apply to help you would like to do that yeah so based on that schedule we should probably plan on talking about the capital improvement the capital side of it at the march meeting and then the general fund budget at the april i think that's that's great is it possible that the outcome of this polling um would inform what you asked for i think you will help help drive that yeah i don't i don't assume this is going to happen but if the community comes back with or the polling comes back with we don't want any of this stuff that that really sets a different standard i don't think that's what's going to happen because i think our community is pretty supportive of libraries and museum and recreation and often are asking what not why are you doing it but why aren't you doing it more and i i hope that's what comes out of the polling but if it doesn't then that's john's going to need two pencils to put down all the needs so to like really distill it to the very basic essence the polling is to test the receptivity of the community to this idea of an increase in taxes yes and and the question and i'm sorry i didn't finalize this comment or thought is that it does it talks about what the question is how likely you are to vote for increased taxes specific to the library and recreation they're all separate questions any other questions riana do you have any questions to get out on the table not on this one okay i had just a couple uh i guess in closing so this this uh timeline or whatever is it the two city managers and becky that are spearheading this whole effort they're the leaders of it okay and then um do you see a more detailed chart or something coming up uh this is pretty broad brush yeah i think it has to because you know august is brushing at this just inquiring yes want to go yeah i was just happy to get this because it was a start it's a good start it's a good start you know i was so sure yeah it's a good switch so um yeah so i i guess what i would just kind of in closing at least from staff side um let's see how the polling results go next month and then we can identify whether we need to invent invite becky i throw out to our and that's a tour meeting that's all right okay i'll leave that up to same year okay unless there are additional questions on this one i don't really want um long want library district committee i don't have anything to report out on this does anybody from the public have anything to report out on this no still available waiting on you guys okay um i didn't uh put it on this agenda but i probably should have under new wagons uh we had talked about this a little last time so it's not completely new but um i think jeff brought up the fact that the board hadn't approved new bylaws since 16 i don't know if you said 16 or not but i check was 2016 so uh that probably should be something that the group should then back going forward what if any of those new bylaw should um capsules um with that uh i don't have anything additional does anybody else have anything additional they want to put on this table for discussion no no no i'm seeing any um any comments from any of the board members on anything no you're looking to update your bylaws we just did that with our union bylaws three months and super bowl of six and six more hours to hurry up and get them all out it is a grueling process boards are a little easier okay yeah it was intense all right well that's uh good advice so we'll see how it goes um so with that uh i will um put out the next month uh meeting date is march 20th and with that i will close the meetings at eight oh three thank you everyone