 So how old were you when you discovered, you know, rap, you're like, I want to do this. You know, every time she go into that rap stuff, you know, I get upset because she's not ready for that. You know what I'm saying? But let me ask that question. How, you know, how was it? You know, I know you was with Dr. Rock, Liam, because I remember, man, I hate to go to work. Why do I hate to go to work? Why do I have to go to work? Boss talk 101. Here we go. How was it growing up in West Isles? Go now hear about West Isles. Even up to today, I hear about how bad it is. So was it that way when you were growing up? I mean, every neighborhood is pretty much the same. You know what I mean? Okay. Was it no different from that in Oak Cliff? Oak Cliff is Oak Cliff. West Isles is the grove. It's the grove. It's all just, you know, it's Dallas is where we at. Okay. And West Isles has good boys and it's bad boys. Okay. Like every other, you know, that's something we all, we're still working on together. And you were raised with your mom and dad? I was raised with my grandmother. Your grandmother? Yeah. So you're spoiled brat and growing up? No. Because you know, grandma has always spoiled them grandkids. Not this one. Not this one. No, she from West Dallas. Are you an only child? No. I'm the youngest. Baby boy? Yeah. Okay. You weren't spoiled really? Well, I was spoiled in the house when I was with my mother and father. Oh, okay. But grandma didn't play that? Not at all. So why didn't, why were you living with grandma and not mom and dad? You know, that's just, you know... Back then it's just as hard as it was? Kind of, you know, it's just how relationships go between men and women. Okay. When it's a struggle between them, it's always the child that's kind of down to me. So my grandmother was, she just wanted me over there. Okay, that's good. It gave you a better stable household and upbringing and so forth. Yeah. So how old were you when you discovered, you know, rap? You're like, I want to do this. You know, every time she go into that rap stuff, you know, I get upset because she's not ready for that. You know what I'm saying? But let me ask that question. How, you know... How was it? You know, I know you was with Dr. Rogley. Because I remember, man, I hate to go to work. You know, you don't remember that song. You remember that, don't you? It was a part like when you get up in the morning, you would hear this song. And it was jamming to a little bit. You know what I'm saying? But how was it? Was it the Feel Our First Crew? Yeah, it was the Feel Our First Crew. How was that, man? Like, how did y'all even get that group together, that early on, when music really wasn't just big, big in Dallas? How old were you at that time? I was 16, 17. And me and this guy from West Dallas, we made commercials on a local television channel. I think it was Channel 21. We used to make these commercials for their lineup. They'd eatin' in rock salt on TV. And he was like, wow, you guys are good. We should make a group. And we was like, okay. You know, you get in the party free after that. So let's do it. And back then, groups were more prevalent. You saw groups everywhere, didn't you? Yeah. I mean, when Dallas was just budding, that thing, right? It was, you know, rap wasn't born yet. That's what I was wondering. So y'all, you can almost say y'all were like the fathers of rap, right? For Dallas. Well, yeah. Because if you said nobody else, nobody else in Dallas was doing it before y'all? Yeah. I mean, because we were here when it started. When it started, right? Yeah. It used to be just dancing. And so pop lockin' and all that was the big thing. Mm-hmm. And then rap came. I remember going to Glendale with my guys. It was called Rockets. Mm-hmm. That's Fresh Caves and the Rockets. And Jero in the boxheads was out there in no clip. And that's what it was all about that back then, if he was the dancer. But as hip hop started to progress, the guy, the guy with the slick, you know, the rhymes just started getting all the attention. Right.