 the game. It's a very good evening and welcome along to the return of the score program for a brand new season as we look ahead to this weekend's opening round of games in the National Football League joining me in studio is the presenter of the DL debates here in Highland at former Donegal star Brendan Daveney and joining us from the kingdom tonight ready for Kerry commentator Tim Moynihan will be here and all about the All Ireland champions preparations for the league ahead. Plus on the show as well Donegal manager Paddy Kear and Donegal senior ladies manager Maxi Kearn so we're top heavy on Gaa tonight on the score. We were also going to hear from Donegal hurling manager Mickey McCann tonight as well in relation to the Conor McGurk cup hurling final which will take place in Bannerhur against Antrim but Antrim have forfeited the tie which means Donegal are now set to go through and will go straight through the final of the Conor McGurk cup and that will take place on Tuesday the 7th of February and Donegal will play University of Ulster Jordan's town in that game as they have that will actually be after the first round of games in the league in the opening number of weeks in February. So then the score program is back and we say a very good evening and good night to Brendon and Sammy Bogan had the tunes on there and so yeah I promise John and I come down you know what John's like so they get the colours on. We've also got live from Kerry tonight we say a very good evening to Tim Moynihan. Hello there Tim how are you? Good to be on your show. Yeah good to speak to you as well Tom I'm delighted to have you part of the program tonight as well. The All Ireland Champions Kerry heading into new season is it a bit of a bit of a surprise that you're talking about your last year at the end of the campaign so you did Tim will you be swaggering this year as well do you think? Yeah look it will be very interesting and it's not a Kerry a Kerry man trying to take you down the garden path so to speak but you know a number of things happened over the last couple of months. First of all you had the celebrations and then you had your intermediate and then you took a lot of players for preseason away from from Jack O'Connor you know the likes of the Cliffords being involved with the foster club in Croke Park in the All Ireland series and likewise Rat Moore as well you've Shane Ryan Paul Murphy and a number of other players through injury you know to be fair and I look back over the years oh Shane that this we've been really rattled with injuries at David Moran and you know has hung up his boots and at the county level is a huge blow for Kerry and I could see the body language of Jack O'Connor on we were doing the press night with the I suppose after David Moran announces retirement and I'm sure he wanted David to stay on another year so all I'm saying is why Jack was telling us and all the team is announced tomorrow night that I think five or six players at max in all Ireland team will be involved against Tony Godd and Sunday yeah but saying that you're missing a number of players and you all have several of course to come back as the league campaign goes on but there's this sort of thinking around the rest of the country outside of Kerry that there's a conveyor belt there of hugely talented fufflers to fill on these voids Tom yeah well absolutely look I suppose what it is it presents an opportunity for players like you look at Tony Godd and I know he's out there on the front floor and forwards down here he's the doctor croaks man so it'll be chance for the likes of him fellas that probably I won't say fill out a favor but probably one it wasn't making at the first 15 under Jack O'Connor players like Gavin Crowley of template of the Spalence Club and you know he'll be trying to get back in there Stefan O'Connor the man that was down under in Australia in the professional game and all these but if you look back at the all stars of the past season and it's very unique and I think it's never happened down here that an all Ireland carry winning team that we didn't have an all-star at midfield and that tells you two things that maybe the game has changed its bypass midfield or else that maybe we haven't got the the players or they haven't come to the level yet expected of David Moran of Darrow Shea who can before that so look it's not all rosy down here I know we've serious players but it's still and even last season Jack struggled in that particular area you know dear man O'Connor he should be starting on Sunday but he's out for I think the next seven or eight weeks and he's the guy you know ready to stick up step up to the next level so all I'm saying is that you know if you need primary possession in the middle of the park as as Brenda will tell you where to supply forwards and a lot of you know I suppose the pundits out there saying that in the present game it's bypasses midfield but I think if you go along at times and if you ball winners out there it means a lot so look it's an opportunity for players Barry Daniel Sullivan he'd be from the Dingle Club in West Kerry an opportunity maybe for him at this Sunday and other players as well that you know you know there are chomping at the beat but it does not like if you experience midfielders around when you're going into the the high-rate hot battle you know Brandon yeah it's Tom do you know what I'm loving us actually from a Kerry perspective I know you're trying to be critical but after sweeping the league and the championship in the style you're just be moaning the new All-Stars of midfield don't you all have some question marks going over good in this league I'm glad you pulled up a couple from Kerry tell me talking about stars in the All-Tars Tom you're not on the same as mine haven't been any chance no no he claims he's related all right to me you know you just mentioned a guy there Brendan he's probably to me he's one of the best players that ever put on on the doors they put Kerry as you know well I'd have him up there I know he didn't play well he played at midfield actually he's Sheamus's debut was in that horrible day in 1992 when Claire beat us in the monster championship as an 18 year old he was coming out of St. Brendan's College in Calary straight into Kerry team and he's that was his first big loss at a championship level but what a player I'm glad you mentioned him you know what Tom we hadn't played together for Ireland and we went on tour together and listen at some time for the for the Kerry lads but there was something special about the ban you know cool customer but I just remember being cornered boxed and by a few Aussies and they had serious part of time but remember there's upper body strength he was pushing them away you know the way they were trying to take him out and he's just as you said he's one of the best players I've ever seen an absolute class act and just and Kenan what about his business that you wouldn't know yet serious serious man absolute legend absolutely and you know I think he put on a marker you remember that replay against Cork and it was a 2000 the late Naughty or the middle of the Naughties and you know he's a tough day with Colin Cochre as you Amanda you probably played against as well big physical player and very accurate but I think from the drawing he put on a marker he took man ball and all and he said this is my day and he was just such a he was just such a brilliant player and and he was a huge last to carry the time to be taken yeah absolutely because mine was my 5 10 5 11 but he was just the complete player and any team of the century team of the million I tell you he'd walk on it you know you're talking about a player taking man ball and all we had Michael Murphy here who retired part of of course the that Donny Gaul team at one and all Arden and should have won a second in 2014 he was the leader of the county here what's the perception and carry now of Donny Gaul without a Michael Murphy Tom yeah look he was the big player like it's been all different like you must put things in perspective as well I'm sure Brendan that to say actually I must compliment Brendan because I should give you G watch to be careful though he doesn't like that stuff though Michael Murphy was his hero and respect there so I tell you that's huge for for Brendan that's standing but look you look at last year a pint of your pint this has been brutally honest that like if we didn't have David Clifford we wouldn't have won in all Ireland and that that's as simple as that this guy you know and I'm sure we want to mention him before we finish our conversation but that's how good he is to carry and likewise Michael Murphy was the leader and supreme footballer and I paid him a I tweeted something going back when he actually retired and hung up his boots I was saying he'd get on any carry team and I'm not being demeaning to any county or even to Donny Gaul but that's how good he was that and there was some good carry teams as you know with some golden years and that's how good he's a serious serious baller and that you know they take it as a big hit for Donny Gaul but down here to be no different if you look at the league game there's a balance in the league game actually I think Donny Gaul are hot favourites there at home and they need to pick up those pints but you know it's a huge loss to Donny Gaul but look nothing stays forever as we know and you know an opportunity and another player come along you know and they'll say they'll probably compare him to Michael Murphy and that's what I you know when we had the great Mikey Sheehy we call him the Gooch Cooper as you know and Morris fits obviously in between and we said look we'll never see the likes again and suddenly David Clifford appeared and you know there's always I suppose generation of players there will be a player coming up and my god you'd say we thought we'd never see this again and that's it's about Donny Gaul getting that player but I don't know when but look from a league point of view Donny Gaul is not an easy place to go and I mentioned midfielders there you learn your trade against Donny Gaul midfielders above in a wet heavy day beat Balli Bofi or beat anywhere else and that's when you become a man and that's what Jack O'Connor needs that sort of test as well for these young pretenders coming up to Donny Gaul on Sunday. Brendan there's no David Clifford no body Clifford gonna play for Kerry on Sunday is this a good chance for Donny Gaul to get get two full points on the board? Yeah I think as Tom was there you've got certain times a year you want to play Kerry and I certainly think it was going to be any game it's the first game and if you can get it at home all the better and I just think with as Tom was saying there with Murphy retiring I suppose Neil McGee retiring as well as much as he might not be a starting player I'm sure he had a huge presence in there and presence in the dressing room and that's what Kerry would have had over the years you know you've got constant it's not even maybe they can very well the talent so much but the lads that come on they're going to learn from the senior lads in there they set the tempo and they play the game a certain way and I think it lifts all around them and I think those two lads being out now is you know a massive blow to Donny Gaul but listen as Tom was saying there are times changed other lads have to step up and you're looking even last week Joe Bradley Walsh performance in the Seagerson you know so if you're looking to players now to command the Jamie Brennan, Shane O'Donnell, Connor O'Donnell, you know Langan and McGee at Midfield, Keely and McGonigal those types of players you know all have to step up and McBurley's going to be the man in charge there and he is going to have to lead that line and his experience with the likes of Ryan McHugh and Phyllis I guess they're all the people that's going to have to step in and fill that void that's there. But certainly you know you're looking with two away games two Auster teams in Throne and Monhan away games coming after it or three home games are vital so it's vital that we won them three games if we want to stay in the division as we say because we're going to play a big part in going into the championship so it's a massive massive league for Donegal new team without Murphy and McGee so it remains to be seen I think things is going to have to be there has to be time. Can we see a response from from these Donegal players go and be with Patrick Birdie said this week and when he was announced to captain the trinians going well and the group have responded well to a new management team in there. Yeah well I think that the whole management thing was so projected and drawn out and it left so many gaps. Oh Shane and everybody was saying that who do we want that do we want this team. The next thing Paddy Carrick comes in with a no Rourke Paddy Bradley comes in and there was there was rumours in about training and so many people away and Seagerson and players we injuries. There seemed to be everything was a negative. Oh Shane and I think finally now I think when the lads get down to it now they'll be delighted to come up and shape up and listen massive game all out and champions are coming to town. I think there's always a freshness with new teams and new management because no matter what how much good boner was in Rajford and coaching on that you've got a fresh set coming in there of eyes and in the years and people talking and I think that always gives a team a lift and now you know as much as Michael there was going to be a stage where Michael was going to retire and I think there is say those names I mentioned there's a new breed in there so I think it's it's an exciting challenge for Donegal but it's going to be very difficult league but there's nothing to get the blood going like dollar and champions coming to your home packs in the first game. Can they be competitive can Donegal be competitive in division one because Ian Patrick and Berdia said that they want to thrive and a lot of the supporters and always the talk is every year at the start of your surviving in division one Brennan let's survive in division one. Paddy Berdia and Paddy Carr said this to that they want to thrive in the division can Donegal thrive on the top flight without Michael Murphy and without a host of these players. Naila Donald's not there. Sheena Donald's not there. Pat or Morgan's not there. Michael Langans injured. Kieran Thompson injured. I'm listing them off here Tim and you're probably thinking going Kerry might have a chance now but there's a whole host of Donegal players. We're putting the word out there. We're putting the word out there. We're trying to dampen down. You put in the favourites tag in Donegal so we are a tumble. But Brennan can they thrive in division one can they? It's definitely going to be difficult. Ashen you look at where we were last year in terms of the defeats that we had. You know, I know Tarone as well we're both beaten by by by Derry and our man the championship but I think they were obviously all out in champions from the year before so they have shown that that's quite a players can do it. They did lose badly to Derry in the league. Finally Derry obviously not on another division but they are on the way up. You'd think that our man and Monaghan are both looking to get off to the good start to see Kerry the champs. You know you look around them where you're picking up points you know Ross Commons in there they're going to be mad keen to stay in the division as well. Ashen so may oh what are they going to come with Galway are obviously on the up constantly so if you're gauging it I mean if you look at where the bookies have have read it Donegal they obviously have Kerry top you know if we're looking at just the top teams in the country you know the dubs is just down the division Galway, Mio, Tarone, Derry, our man we come in next so going by what they stand on the fact that the dubs aren't in there and Derry aren't in there they have us in a position where we would just about stay in the league and if you asked anybody else and if we finish above those two spots I think Donegal fans would be happy with that going into the championship with this new team. We've seen what happened with Dublin last year Tim and Dublin going into the league what have been seen as one of the sides that will be fighting for the league title and obviously for the All-Ireland Dublin could relegate it is there a fear at all that in Kerry? Yeah there is a bit of you know speaking to Jack and I know he'd probably play it down being a cute Kerry man but that he's I suppose they're in force changes what he has for the weekend you know as I said five or six of the starters but looking at Jack this year look last year he was new for his third time going back into the management side so he wanted to put down a mark because it was a lot of controversy down at the time with with the apartment this and is there anybody else we've seen what Jack obviously had a huge record coming into it so Jack put out serious serious talent and strong teams in the McGrackup last year likewise the National League and the Championship and they won all but one game right throughout the season and right throughout the Championship they only conceded one goal so one man I must mention as well and we had to go north of Kerry for it going up to for Paddy Talley to solve our all our problems from conceding goals and Pats Palamba the one that loved at one time. Yeah I tell you and I suppose it's it's it's like a change in up the guard that we we realized in I suppose especially against the likes of Tyrone and against Donnie Goddier they they took us out as well that we had to do something that you know to be competitive and to be strong and to have a defensive unit that works and and I suppose the big thing for Kerry last year was the transition from defense to attack that was that was very labored in the previous years that you know we've gone lateral with a lot of our passes coming out in the half-backline it was more direct but you can only go direct when you have players that you know to ball winners inside and it was all built around you know potty Clifford he was he started kind of forward and he was picking up that dirty ball and feeding that inside line so a lot of things have happening Kerry in the last I suppose 12 months it might be your purity times but I always say that I think some team is going to come out of the woodwork one day and play total football and and win because I you know you know all the defensive structures you know you must build your defense and defense wins championship they say but it's the guys that can have scoring forwards and as I suppose proved with us last year on to the final that we had guys three or four forwards you know of capable of kicking scores and not just the bare minimum they were kicking big numbers and that's what's going to win you in all Ireland but plus the fact that look Kerry always seems to have the forwards but I'm a small bit worried about our middle diamond and that primary possession and that's going to be huge test for for Jack O'Connor because every county have two, three, four midfielders come in any day and you know win their 50-50 battle and that's that's something appointed for the league and I think Jack O'Connor Oshie his big thing is you know to stay in the league and I'm not you'll think I'm playing it down again but it's not we're going to run through the league winning all our games it's not possible with the you know because we don't have those players back like the party Clifford Dave Clifford we probably won't see them until the two or three rounds out from finalizing our complete the league so that that's a huge thing for Kerry and you know if we're under pressure they might be called back early earlier and it's a pity for Donnie Gaul and Donnie Gaul's supporters because I know they're outside I'm sure that if Donnie Gaul went out of the championship they won Kerry to win it'd be lovely for them to have Dave Clifford above this coming weekend to see such a such a brilliant brilliant player probably one of the best we've ever seen you know yeah just in the other games this weekend Tim Kerry of course like their battles with Mayo Mayo playing host at Tagall where there's a all conic battle there to start things off on Saturday of the early predictions how do you see that one going yeah you know sometimes I think the management teams look it's gone to another level when you talk about the top five or six teams in the country that sometimes you think it's overloaded but there's some big names you know there's pressure on Mayo already to deliver and because you know they've lost their their their star man as well at league Keegan to retirement but you know there's you know the league has taken on such huge profile over the last number of years and because I suppose we have a short championship now the turn around it'll be the All Ireland being somebody hopefully to be here in Kerry, Samuel Byles won't know where come the end of July but there's such a quick turn around from league to championship there's only two or three weeks from some of the teams you know and they're straight into championship so you know it's very important for the likes of Mayo's of this world you know to put down a marker this weekend as well and no different to the other teams in the league and you know Tyrone will feel that they were hoodwinked over the last couple of years so you know there's gonna I feel that there's going to be a big championship bite in the league this year because it really puts down a marker and you you probably need to beat the business end of as well of the league you know you need to get that feeling of championship to do well in the championship so from you know by the way getting results and being competitive in the league and no different to any of those teams you know and I suppose we're still talking about Dublin even though they're in division two and I think that's going to be quite competitive as well and I see a change even here in Cark and you talk about I know I'm going to division two but I suppose as a carryman we're always they're like mushrooms and crop they come up overnight and they seem to they seem to be doing the right thing at the moment but I think if you have a home game this weekend there'll be huge pressure on every home side you know to get a result to get some and I tell you it's bonus territory for any team that goes away and gets a result this weekend but what's happening as well O'Sheena bring that like Jack O'Connor said to me and you know we're behind maybe three or four weeks and we're training are more because of the celebration they've been away the team they were on their holiday and everything so we proved it in the McGrack up we were hockey by Cark in the first round and we barely scope over clear as well we didn't get to the business into the McGrack up so between injuries and everything we're playing catch up but I think probably there's a problem there for us to peak at the right time this year and in the hope that everyone and I suppose the Messiah that there'll be no injuries as well but I think it's an opportunity as far as Kerry's concerned going going north this this Sunday it's a case of blood new guys and if we can get something out of the game it could be bonus territory but as I say that it's very important that teams playing at home this weekend get their result and get their victory you know yeah there's no Ulster battle on Saturday as well Brendan Monning against our Ma this is going to be a well the predicting is going to be a big year for our Ma it has to be a big year for our Ma a lot of pressure on them yeah um yeah maybe not so much in a league but Ulster championship seems to be the place they find the pressure on and they can't win a game on it but listen finish the season on a good note just seem to come up a bit short against Monning maybe or sorry Galway and and you know and in Crow Park and and what was you know a real end in game and a fascinating encounter it just seemed like they ran out of legs a small bit in that and I just think that change of the game and in Crow Park and something probably our Ma even the great our Ma team of before struggled with you know it's a fast open pitch and it's and it suits running games and that's the difference and I think when the top teams get there it's why they excel and why why they won the competition but certainly this is a big big game you know you're looking at new management teams and their Vinny Corey has stepped on me a management team the Banties the Banties gone there and listen I've seen a young fella there last night it was up at a Seegerson game Jordan's down on UU playing UCD and he young young Garland helped himself to three four he was claiming four four after the game now I don't know if he did get the other way since I'm claiming it so I'm putting them down I'm on the other forward switch five yet between them or something yeah yeah yeah other that's actually a Ross Common that Craig yeah Greg sorry and he's he scored yeah two two three or something as well yeah it was a strange game for ten goals in it you know and seven of them going to UCD that's total football time yeah total football but this on Garland that he reminded me Tim of James McCartney you know he just was unmarkable and you felt sorry for the corner back that that was on him they were changing people on him but either he was flipping around the back or he was getting in front and no one could get near me physically was just moving at a different level but now that said at Seegerson it remains to be seen and I was just something last year Tim before we get you off the back of that there Connell Killahan if he had been in that semi-final if Dublin that had got I was off covering that game actually got a got even without him to extra time I think they would have won that match and just just a word about Peter Keane and never seemed the happiest of chaps I'm wondering did he manage to bring his mind that must have been a hard watch the whole the Kerry was loving that but it must it must have been difficult for for Peter because there definitely seemed to be a cloud hanging over Kerry until Jack O'Connor coming in those couple incidents I think particularly in that semi-final you just think certain managers have a certain way with them where things fall into place and it always seems to do for Jack yeah absolutely you know when I suppose we went out without minor titles for almost 20 years and you know Jack came back and he won a two in a row and then Peter Keane come in you know he was part of previous minor and you know straight you know I always think that there's a huge step up from managing a minor team to senior team and I suppose down here there was question marks you know who Cork beat us down you know Cork were a division three team you could say and below during COVID we played them down and Parky Keane that last minute goal by Cork put us out of the the championship little things like that and then Tyrone you know all that COVID issue was you know they were waiting for that I needed that extra week to have players and I suppose Kerry gave them an extra two weeks and there was big question marks you know then they came up with such intensity Tyrone and beat us in that semi final and that progression on Peter straight away you know and no manager goes out to lose but then Jack was you know up and clear and he you know he sees something as well in Kerry and I think a lot of people don't probably give Jack the credit you know I've dealt with him on the three occasions you know in his first ten row with Kerry likewise when he came again and now for his third making that you know he's mellowed a lot and he knows how to you know being a manager nowadays Brendan you not you must I suppose you're managing a management team that manages the players you know that you can take you can't do everything yourself you can't take the training session but there's so much encompass the logistics of it and everything so Jack does that really well now and he let guys you know inside in his own camp to think and every fella you know Mike Quirk Deermott Murphy they have to bring everything you know to the table and it's such it's a different I suppose than managing a Kerry team 10 years ago is totally different now and Jack that's a huge plus and I suppose there's a bit of competition there as well Jack is from South Kerry and likewise Peter Keane and I'm not saying that he'd be rubbing his nose on it Jack but you know it was a big one coming back and you know down here at Kerry supporters you could have ten all Ireland medals are you know produced ten all Ireland winning teams it's all about the next one and it's a powerful powerful tool down here the supporters so yeah a lot has happened you mentioned Connell Callahan there Brendan massive massive player for Dublin and I was always afraid that's any final you know Shawnee O'Shea kicking that pint in the seventy six minutes that we felt that Kerry's legs you know were gone would they be you know if extra time would they they could they may have beaten us so it's amazing you need that little bit of luck and I'd finally say this that going back a few years ago when we were beaten in 2019 in the replay at James McCarty was talking to a guy I know and he was saying that he felt in that last ten minutes we lost the replay that Kerry didn't have the legs the maturity he felt that was like a Dublin eight years prior to that and I think you know what I mean that you must weather the legs you know for that final it's it's it's the melting pot that last ten minutes Kerry didn't have it in 2019 and I feel that players like Shawnee O'Shea and a lot more players they're at that level now that Dublin hard when in midstream when they were so successful but you have to get that into your legs and it doesn't happen over now it's over a number of years you know still the coming of Paddy Carey don't you go manager we'll hear from him ahead of the of the game against Kerry used boys went back in a few things I was talking about matches this weekend we forgot about sure we forgot about your own Brendan who are going to the height to play Ross common Trone will not be happy with the manner that they lost the McKenna cup final last week against Derry they're down a couple of players and couldn't a few big names that exit Conor McKenna of course will not be part of them this year how's the league going to pan out for for for Trone do you feel? Yeah it's so hard to predict I mean the two lads when they came in you know Logan and do her there was so many question marks about them about their experience and taking on the 21 team we beat her can of them and then the season got off to a bumpy start and and you just no one was sure about it and then they got their act together they went into all Ireland and played some great football actually changed up the game went man-to-man at times and swept through from from an All-Ireland it was absolutely phenomenal and then the next season they get dumped out in the first round and I've never seen this before us we're All-Ireland champions since there's been a second chance or some version of a second chance have been dumped out you know first game second game and of course Derry and and our map so listen what are we going to see from Trone certainly the signs as we're poor from that McKenna cup final because they had the basis of that All-Ireland one and team but there was no real fight in it and I don't know there's just seems a buzz with with Derry there at the minute and you know you looked at the two teams on paper you would say to run at the better squad better team but Derry certainly wanted it that bit more so not a great start from the only thing I would say about to run us in but like that season never ever write them off to run as one of the teams can beat anybody in Ireland on any day and I think they'll be looking again like everybody else just stay stable in the league build up the championship us and if they can repeat their form from two years ago there are still going to be you know in that top three four yeah okay Tim I'm sure the boys and radio carrier gonna fly you up on Sunday morning or the I think no I think we're taking in a game and Mayo our ladies are playing Mayo in the second round of the LGFA on Saturday and we'll make our way head towards Donegal then but it's always look it's a long trip but it's a nice trip and I go with Ambrose Donovan and no matter where he goes in Donegal he seems to be hero and they take Tim well so yeah we're looking forward looking forward to meet you all at the weekend okay well listen Tim we look forward to seeing you in the press area in McCulloch Park and Bob the Fayon Sunday many thanks for joining us and we'll look forward to a cracker of a game this weekend open things up thanks very much best of luck lads see you right there you go that's Tim Moynihan good to see him good to speak to him once again on Highland Radio Sports and we'll be talking to him again of course over the weekend on Sunday at the match Brendan is sticking with us in studio Brendan Derry as well Ulster champions Division 2 they're ticking on Limerick Derry knocking on the door promotion the last couple of years is this going to be the year that maybe that they can get out of what's going to be a hugely competitive Division 2 you have Dublin in there Kildare in there who else is in there as well Corkia Cork and Meeth also one there Mickey Hart Schlauth and Claire nice yeah yeah this is some interesting ones I mean you think about it last year the whole Derry juggernaut was only on Heinz by one game and it was that famous game in Ohmbeg where Galway absolutely destroyed them and really laid question marks and whether this Derry team was the team that we thought they were going to be but outside Latt what a season Derry had and certainly one in the McKenna Cup you couldn't ask for better a couple of Glen players to come back you know into the fold yet and they obviously will boost the team but certainly going into this division actually you'd like to of course the dubs are going to be number one to come up with the league can be funny as we've seen even a team of their brilliance can get relegated but you'd like to think they'll be a shoe and so after that it's a fight for that second place and something as I say leading in the championship that they'll be massively keen to get involved and so listen I still think Derry is the side out of the wrestling teams to come up after the dubs yeah okay listen we're eating into loads of the time of the hour and the score here tonight just before you go Brendan Kilmockud and Glen that of course is all the talk this week possible replay I see Kilmockud have reportedly said they've no interested in replay and they'd rather hand back the cup it's not a nice situation for the GAA who probably are a lot of fault in this so they are what's your thoughts on what should happen next yeah it's a massive mess Ocean because it's a final and teams are playing all year and as you said it's Kilmockud going to come back on a day and give the cup back and try and win it a couple of hours later again they've celebrated it they came so close last year and the fact that the question mark is was that player going to make any difference I mean they liked it as in all honesty Ocean he wasn't but there's no way definitively saying that to you say in the rules the Glen deserve that chance again I mean do you say Ocean this is an amateur game and you have your referees are amateur did they make a mistake that the people on the line made a mistake can we just hold their hands and we say that's going to happen now and then is that enough for us people saying hold on this is the rules they deserve a replay if Kilmockud won't play it Ocean that is that is a real mess going forward I mean it's it's a disaster really the Glen going to one and all island by default I don't know it is if the GAA if the GAA took a different approach with the original request from Glen to get clarification would be in the would we be in the sticky situation we're in now because the GAA didn't understand it yeah yeah because it's in the rule book not to understand it until an official objection is on yeah yeah listen my own thought would be there's a Malaga wrote come out after and said we have no interest in pursuing it because I think as a football man and as a guy who likes to weigh things up he thought straight away that didn't change it there were two points up you know as you could say if he was going for a point then that guy maybe stopped the play stopped the ball going over or something there was the equalization score he needed a goal it was going very hard to get not to say you couldn't have been up but it was going to be nearly close to impossible so I think his attitude after it was just leave it and I think that was coming from a real football man obviously it's not his club and he's not in charge of it so obviously other people at Wadi Grimes were saying hold on we do want to contest this but I think in his heart of hearts I don't think as a football man that I know him he wants that to happen and the players are probably like that as well they're the guys played as back I totally agree with Maliki O'Rourke and what he said afterwards but I think if the GAA held their hands up and dealt with it in a proper way and said a mistake was made by officials during the game there was 16 or 17 men on the pitch but we feel that it was not having an impact on how the game was panning out the closing stages Glenn may have accepted that but they were forced they were forced into a corner by the GAA because they didn't take them on with their original request to get clarification on it or the other option would have been that the GAA have some kind of of assembly that evening if it's something very critical they say right we're looking at this and at the moment the cup is up in my croaks we're going to give you a statement that evening they say hold on a second there was a rule break here we need to play this over so at least it takes the heat out of that as it stood croaks went home and partied and celebrated at the cup for a few days and then all this is on the background if the GAA had dealt with it that day Oshin either by what you're saying holding our hands was saying my mistake we're sorry the cups because the mistake wasn't Kilmock Road the mistake was the was the officials or or they do that day they say right we're looking at this it's almost like a long distance var if you like we have to look at this to make sure this is correct at least then croaks their mind is already going well we might have to do this again but the fact that that lag was there they left it on Glenn and then Glenn left it on them again and that's I think is part of the mess yeah okay well we'll see what happens but according to reports this afternoon and this evening that Kilmock Road have no interest in replaying the game okay Brendon many thanks for joining us back with the podcast which has now become a live show Monday evening the deal a bit is back what are we expecting or have you even arranged it I've you know me Oshin now weeks of planning no listen we've a great show lined up we're just talking to a couple of ex players about coming up on the studio and that we're going to have some people up in studio as the week goes on and we have we've like Aaron Kearney and I'm talking to Maxi Kearney came in as well so we have a load of people there in the background Oshin it's coming up on Monday so we did do an odd live show which much better cracked live as you know there's a wee bit more buzz there so we have a host of ex ex players and pundits and journalists and people to chip on and so I'm always so glad of their support in this Oshin you know great people in the GA and that's one thing whatever about these odd messes we create for ourselves you know there's a lot of people out there no more than Tom there tonight they'll give us a few words yep okay listen thanks for joining us Brandon we're going to catch up on a couple of ad breaks join us with more after these radio stations including Highland Radio want to hear from you whether it's rock, pop, folk or rap in partnership with Hot Press Magazine we've dedicated March as Irish Music Month and we're playing more Irish music than ever be in with a chance to 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