 Hello, hey, are you doing man? Hello? Hello? Seeing you guys on YouTube Very familiar faces Oh, that's awesome. Thank you so much. I'm seeing you in a different window on Zoom Hello Hello. Hi guys. Hi. Hi. Hi. How you doing? Good You guys when somebody first told me there's a there's a channel from our stupid reactions. I was like what? Yeah, like you don't know this was like three years ago. Yeah. Yeah No, I said we all we all watch it. We watch it all the time I'm so dissatisfied that I don't know about these guys I know how could you not know about that? Oh, my word I want the entire reactions to fuzzy all the episodes. Oh, that's awesome. Really? Yeah, thank you We loved farzy That we could hang that we could have good reviews We always are gonna we're always gonna be honest. We loved farzy. Oh, yeah, I loved everything you guys thought But thank you so much for for hopping on here. I know you guys are Uh, really busy especially with with promo. Um, but we are just wanted to give you because Once we once we started watching you guys after those three years, you know I believe you every time I would be watch uh a review or so So we thought we should give you guys proper time, not just russian. So whenever you guys wanted so we're here Well, I appreciate that. Thank you so much very uh, we we uh, we've loved everything You guys have have done so far. Um in terms of Obviously the the series and and all that kind of stuff. We're very excited for Um, uh guns and gulabs Is that did I say the right am I saying gulabs? Okay You got you got it right. There's only one way to say it Uh, we're very excited for that one. Um, and we had so many things to say about it in in the reaction What are some of the inspirations that you guys took for the guns and gulabs? Um, it see they're not specific films or anything. It's really, uh, the whole era the the the cinema those days So it's a texture we were more excited about than a specific than specific films that we gave norms to It's really the in the early 90 late 80s texture Just the setting, you know the simplicity and the the At the topical layer the stereotypical characters, you know, the honest cop The big bad villain with a flare You know the guy does this the you know rag the guy who wants aspirational hero The beauty all that the idea was to go into that zone, which is a familiar territory and then now try and See what we could actually do with these characters in terms of pulling the devil out of them or Creating the you know, it's great Yeah, it's it's basically it's basically a you know, not to that whole era Yeah Life to a large extent like how people were in the small towns and how India was back then Reliberalization and all that and of course movies were a big part of our culture back then. So it is when movies form a big part of Everybody's lives and but yeah, but otherwise it's not it's not necessarily a tribute or it's not necessarily a you know look at A particular film or you know, it's just general the era including the movies of that era um Read in a recent interview that you described yourselves as combining drama and wackiness on a pretty consistent basis and I think I know the answer to the question based on the trailer. Is that what we can expect from guns and blobs? Are we going to have a combination of drama and wackiness? This is actually a lot more comedic though. This is actually yeah I mean all our previous shows including family man and for z have been at the heart of the big dramas I don't know with With the times of levity and fun and you know organic humor and so people do find it funny But this one I think I would classify I wouldn't classify it as a drama I even I mean, there could be some dramatic scenes here and they're dramatic It's the way around it Like we it's it's a comedy but has a dramatic depth that it starts to explore on the on the comedy and in the the drama because you guys not at the Beginning of your career but earlier before the ot started obviously you had a lot more comedic in terms of not only directing but producing with stree and And go go go on and stuff like that Is do you do you enjoy one more than the other? In terms of drama to to comedy do you find one harder than the other as writers or directors? I think We are We started mixing him up, you know as we were growing as filmmakers I I think 99 go go gone was just pure comedy And you know, I think once we started doing street a lot of satire came in social satire Some kind of messaging and then the family man, of course was a much more serious subject But there's humor A lot of it So I think we started mixing drama and comedy and realized that the comedy is a Humor is a really good vehicle to carry any Any of the stuff that we want to say in a film or you know anything that you want to convey humor became A really good vehicle for us So and uh, am I sounding better now? It was on better. It'll still sound like a chipmunk Somebody you sound good to me All right, you you hear a more than I do so to the yeah Does he sound different to you? Uh, I think I'm just gonna refrain at this point. We're just gonna Yeah, yeah, you know now that now that you put it this way. I realized Raj. I realized that The exception of shore in the city our second film all the other films we have done Would be classified as a comedy You know at a certain level it's like a You know crime comedy a zombie comedy romantic comedy action comedy Yeah, and family man is the first one I mean after shore in the city family man will be the first one. I would call it a drama But yes, it's not like a heavy Drama either. I mean it could be heavy moments. It's a very strong serious subject. But yes at the heart of it. It's a it's a drama And is is the style that's definitively yours because anybody who writes anything about you guys or watches anything that you do recognizes a very particular Uniqueness to what you guys do creatively Whether it's your screenwriting your directing of the things that you produce Is that something you guys go after with intentionality more with a business mindset? Or is it just an outflow of who you guys are creatively or maybe it's both I think the third one. Yeah, it is kind of I mean see it's organic to us And we've been writing a certain kind of humor a certain there was a certain kind of a Genre of blending that we have been doing from our very first work, right? And You know, it was a little off beat initially probably not so mainstream accepted and there was a period in between where Our films didn't really work and so that would have been the time to do any kind of a course correction but I would say We stuck to what we used to do and Yeah, we stayed Yeah, and I mean if I can say that our stuff is now being more accepted as part of who we are and as part of, you know, mainstream Filmmaking all the more reason to continue, right? If it didn't change when it was not working Mother is working. I mean will this take more guns? Yes, absolutely What was it? Like working with for for guns and globs And working with this at least the the three main leads two of whom are our ghosts in Raj Kumar and and then also not docker shaman But all those three there. What was it like working with him on this? Each one is a different they approach the characters differently Raj Kumar, of course It's got a huge range and we worked with him before it's three So we know what we can do. We just want to give him a devilish twist this time made it a little deliciously devilish character out of him and And which he pulled off and he in fact started adding shades to it as we were shooting it That's the fun with working with Manoj Bajpayee or Raj or You know, so where you know you they take off from where we have from the script And the docker, of course, of course brought a lot of swag and charm that was kind of organic already in it And poor guy had to hit the ground running because he was the last minute cast He just came in a week ago a week before the shoot started even less Oh my god Yeah, and and so imagine him embracing and owning this character, right He was just walking in I was like first scene. He was a bit nervous and was talking to me and then he was like I think we usually try and make it very easy for the actors at least the ambiance We try and create and make them do whatever they want and we don't usually try and Make him like slaw make them slaw we use them as eyes out of Fridge, I think so that they don't weld too much if you keep doing many takes So we try and shoot it in very minimal takes. We usually design our shots. We know the edit So we just do it in like one two takes max And just you know, so it's more fun for them and so it's freeing So the next time there's there's so much energy still that they'll come and say, you know I want to try this time. So when they wanted we give them more and more So it was great to work with just a charm charming guy and Others got up. You're gonna see Brand new shoes. Have you seen the whole thing? So which one Have you seen the show really guys get to watch the show or no, wait, it doesn't we have not been sent any Screeners or anything yet? I have you I have you in my list our personal list to send you guys the screener. So Oh, we would love it You're gonna get it today. Yeah, we love that. That's fantastic Yeah, and uh, you know, no other girl is great I'm just I'm not gonna say too much about him because you'll see it as the show Progresses and he's he's awesome in it. He's our latest favorite find Of course Gulshan Devaya is a crazy guy. Like and he just brings the edge to it The the guy with the knife the Atmaram character So he's he's great. He's our He's he's gonna be in many of our projects coming up looks like so. Yeah We've worked with him once before Yeah, we've worked with him once before we've done this A segment of an anthology for amazon's unpause a segment called glitch it had Uh, Gulshan Devaya and say I'm a care in it and uh, so when we were doing that the question that crossed our minds and his minds That why aren't we already doing so many things together? We look like a perfect fit It's like that's what everybody seemed to be asking is like, oh you guys it felt like a natural match except it just took So long to happen Rick, I only I only see your head rick. Sorry Yeah, me too. There we go. Okay. I was bothered by this I was slowly disappearing. I'm just slowly Keep going. Sorry Yeah, no and tj bhanu is the first time we're working with her. She's a natural and uh, very fits in the role very well The girl's role and a couple of our Guys graciously stepped into even like cameos and short roles. So Shreya and puja and You know, of course satish kaushik ji he thought was his last last role And he passed away right a few months ago and That was something very saddening because I think he's great He's great in the show and you you you'll be wanting to see more of him And I wish we had more of him, but yeah So yeah, we had an excellent cast one of the best group of actors we could have for a series And the kids and the kids, I mean they're gonna be a revelation. I mean Uh, nobody knows who they are at this point But when the show comes out, they're all gonna be stars in their own right because they've done an amazing job the high school kids One of the things we talk about pretty consistently when we're Referring to the the greatness of filmmakers and the consistency with what they make It's not just the casting that you alluded to but The process and the creative team Being the same do you? Choose and keep with you a lot of the same folks in your creative team Whether it's your editors your director photography your ad's your production assistants Is that is that a is there a core that you like to work with or do you prefer to just branch out and work with as many people as possible um Some of them. Yes. I mean we have a core creative team like in our office We have like our core team of our associates assistants that they are the constant for everything And as it turns out our editor has been the editor for literally all our shows But and the background score has like four shows have been composed by one person But Gunson Gulab we got a new one because we are also now doing so many more Shows and you don't want to tax these people too. So once in a while, it's good to have a couple of options Um, but we'll keep going back to them repeating them D. O. P We tend to keep changing because there's a lot of demand for D. O. P No matter how well you gel there's so much work for them. It's hard to get them But uh, punk edge humor is a D. O. P on the show and it's the same the the core crew the H. The The production designer the cinematographer and the costume designer Have been repeated from fuzzy To Gunson Gulab's because they just happened to you know, they were happening back to back with each other and we could Get them Especially fuzzy if you look at the note making and stuff The production design the production design team and our creative support team They pretty much know how to make fake notes very well right now. Yeah, and now now now they know how to process opm And There's no stopping them man. These criminal masterminds production design team Yep A lot i've noticed a lot of times in your series you've brought actors from different industries in so basically you're the pan india of the ott platform as like samantha or VJ and farzi and this time doaker and then obviously many others Is that something you consciously like to do or is it just these are talented actors and I just want to work with them Both I think yeah All right. Yeah both that was the first uh One of the one of the freeing aspects of doing a series was to For us was just saying hey, why should we limit it to Hindi alone. Why can't we get people to speak their own language? It's okay Because the audience watching are a little different. We have subtitles and they're used to watching foreign shows So why not so we started doing that from the family man season one Where you know, you have malayalam speaking guys and with subtitles and uh, so we just let it be an amazon at that point Was really understanding that this is a great way to make a series in india Especially with the multi cultures and multi languages we have And so we've embraced that we've embraced our styles since then and we always look out for all over india to see who fits this character best Suddenly we have like a big pool of people So many great actors to work with all of them who never explored before so every show I think we always had even earlier we used to have But that was still trying to get them to speak hindi and all that but now it's a bit more Much wider. Yeah. No. Yeah, and we and we always tend to make the characters close to who the actors are like Like we just said but this character is a family and so So we're not we're not faking it like we're not making him somehow learn and speak hindi like a hindi speaking guy We make we let him speak his hindi the language That the x to the extent that he's comfortable with with his accent And it works because that's who he is the character is same as the actor. So it works Hmm Speaking of languages since you have a long-standing relationship with netflix now Whenever you do something that originates in tulugu and it lands on the platform Can you encourage them to make that the primary selection on netflix with subs rather than hindi dub? Tell you who they do that right I'll tell you something right all my all my folks who stay in the us have called me and complained that when they play For z it starts playing in english. Yes. Oh, they happen to be there and i'm like dude It's a hindi show the first option should be original language Right with subtitles within the subtitles if you wish agree and then choose the dubbing But i don't know i mean it's it's a challenge and some people they just watch Sometimes they don't know how to change the language. I mean all kinds of issues man It happens across platforms though. It does. It does. Yeah It happened to us. I'm not with one of your shows the first show we ever reacted to like did a watch along to was sacred games and We started watching it and we're like what the heck is going on? Why does everybody sound so weird? It's because it started in english. It like there was the english dubbed automatically and we didn't realize it till i think the episode two that we could change it So And and and the and and the title of the show is an english sacred game. So you I mean, how do you differentiate it from an english show? I mean you probably thought it's an english show, right? Yeah, well badly dubbed. Yeah, I think that's what we thought because it was the first year into the channel So we were still very more stupid than we are now um, so you guys have now Done so many series or are doing so many series now. Do you like that format? More than uh, you like other format like movies or stuff like that. Um, it's since it's a lot more long form. Do you find it? um creatively for more fulfilling Then then you do films As a filmmaker and storytellers you can find a better platform than a series just because of the fact that You could tell the story you want the way you want the way you want to weave the way you want to cast The way you want to structure it It's just 360 freedom in terms of telling us our story Uh, so yes, it's it's freeing that way It's amazingly freeing and every filmmaker should be doing series just to experience the freedom I mean, we change the way we shoot a lot of times we've I've even picked the camera a lot of times and I start shooting stuff and there's It just feels like a playground feels like a you know, uh, a lot to do for a filmmaker um Having said that as a cricketer always give a cricket example Is that you want to play all forms of cricket? So, you know, you want to you don't want to be left out anywhere And we of course we started off as feature filmmakers. So we we are raring to get back We are really really wanting to get back. It's just that once you're in here Before you know, we thought one series and before, you know, we're like four But uh, yeah, no, we have we want to get back and the And the subsequent seasons don't forget that so Yeah, it's uh, you get caught up in it and um Yeah, there's a lot of work to do But yeah, like I said feature films is something we're dying to get back to because it's been a while now and I think uh Everything we've learned in making this format in this long format storytelling It there's been a good learning now. We can use this to go back into films and Make films a little different than how we were making it say before we started making all these shows And do you when you're visualizing for example and creating a series It's probably different now because I'm sure you would be green lit for multiple seasons But when you're starting to write series and you're not sure if you're going to get green lit for more than one series Do you still just let yourself visualize? however many seasons it's gonna be Or do you think in terms of okay, we're gonna do a single season and then if you get renewed you go back to the drawing table and go, okay Now what? Actually most platforms uh most platforms When you approach them regardless of who we are like now or even in the first for a very first show they want multiple seasons So they kind of want you to come with a show That can go over multiple if you were to go and pitch a show saying listen This is a limited series. You're less likely to get picked I mean, you know, I mean other reasons to pick it if you're already a star and they want to right want to work They'll pick it anyway But they are more like If if you're a nobody and you go with the limited series, they're probably not gonna pick it They're gonna pick a series that has a long run But whether the green light or not is there prerogative at the end of the day, right? But they want the option to have multiple seasons Yeah And uh, yeah as filmmakers for us. I think Uh, it's good. I mean, it's good to have You know when something does well, I mean you have most excitement coming up with the new fresh season fresh characters You know, if it does well, you you know, there is a certain level of excitement in doing the second season but I think at some point I Probably true for every creator You know, you start kind of wanting to End it and want a new subject right very rarely you'd be like, oh, I'm so happy doing that the ninth season of my same show In my tenth year, you know, yeah Uh, just don't just don't be like the creators of game of thrones and just you know, shit something out If I don't know if you've seen that last season of game of thrones, um Yeah, I have I have I've read the sentiment around it too. I was uh, I was not I was not happy with it Uh, I heard you say you guys are self-taught filmmakers Do you ever wish you had gone to film school or do you much prefer the on-the-job training? But I hear People have gone it's a good point now, right? Yes. Very much. Yes But when you hear the stories of people listening to watching all this the two ways I look at it Is that they list all these films that they have seen during film school, right all kinds of films So sometimes I think shit. I'm not educated enough that I haven't seen these specific films Once and on one side the other side thinks, oh my god, I would have slept through a lot of a lot of those films So, you know, I don't know But uh, no, I I don't think there's a better way to learn than doing it yourself I stick to it when a lot of we go to these master classes And they ask for you know, what ask us to give speeches and stuff and that's the biggest advice We always say is that you have to make it yourself to Uh, get it right, you know, really that's the best way to learn The idea is to learn I think the idea is to learn any which way you can If you can read up and somehow gather the information and learn what you need to learn and then make a film and make your mistakes And learn what you need to learn. Well, right there. That's your film school And for some people if sitting in a classroom having a structured Way of somebody telling you what to do doing your experiments doing your class project if that's the way to go Sure, that could be I mean, I I guess it depends on person to person but for us Obviously looks like where we are today. Look like this is what that was, right? It reminds me of orson wells was asked that question after citizen kane about how he You know did what he did without formal training on anything and he said the great thing about being a new filmmaker was I didn't know what I could not do I I I just tried anything because I wasn't told you can't do that and the How did you go you've probably answered this question a lot of times, but how do how do you guys go from engineering To becoming screenwriters directors producers show runners How did that happen? boredom Yeah interest and passion Yeah, interest in boredom. Yeah, when you have boredom and monotony on one side and you have interest and passion on the other side You tend to start looking at this and start learning. So yes, we learned a lot around the turn of the century We learned a lot on the internet Right up and and you that I mean you guys know now Like the late late 90s are perhaps like around 2000 the plus or minus 10 years was a really really good Time for independent filmmakers. Everybody we know today from solar work to Tarantino to no land to who else Kevin smith and Who else man? I'm missing some names here. Everybody kind of made their first film Doug Limon Doug Limon They all ended up making their first films experimental films around the time Um, so that kind of gave us the motivation. That was the time where all in it was a digital camera and a computer and You could make a film you could edit it yourself and all you need to know to was learn so making At that point we just had two of us going around and you know, we we we kind of figured you know how to hold the camera and You know, we we we we we got our own mic from walmart. We fixed up our own little boom boom stick kind of thing Put it put a little filming kit together and it would be just the two of us And we would even act in it because we couldn't get actors in those days and we didn't know how to So sometimes it would even be just decay holding it and we put the mic and I go and act in front of it and come out This bad actors, but we still had to do it So that's how we learned that but yeah, the big big jump was because for me, it was a little more existential A bit of existential, uh thought As we were going to war on nine to five Very mundane monotonous jobs Your life was laid out in front of you. I could see every step of the way we had already done half of it Like you know, good Indian Kids do you you top your school you get great ranks you get a good job Go to America all that stuff was happening And then I could see the entire path laid out now right then you get married had kids minivan walmart shopping The whole thing right and wow. So this is it So had to somehow figure how to get switched from I think left side of the brain to right side And see if we can start actually creating it and you'll see this monotony This kind of thing featuring in our it's like a regular kind of frequent Motif in some of our films. We even put the family man into Into a right of a job for a bit And so we keep doing that, you know So, yeah, that's how we switched over. I think And our office and the office and our shows or in our movies Like I think we've had an office like a corporate office at least three or four different movies Movie slash shows by now like I was there in go go gone. We're there in a gentleman. We're there in family man And it's always invariably called Unitec Yeah It does I didn't pick up on that Yeah, yeah, the big fans of office space and like the best ever office movie made ever and That's a tribute What is he saying what he's mumbling I want to burn it down before it comes across Yeah, we're gonna need you to come in. Uh, I love that movie What do you What uh, what do you guys feel you get out of a directing partnership? Because obviously it's not for everyone directors oftentimes don't work well with other people In terms of like other Telling them what to do. So what what do you feel like you get out of it? And what is the most difficult aspect of being in a director partnership? We learned though we learned to make films with each other That's was the way we've learned it. We came in together It's not like we found each other and said let's you know two directors saying let's come together and kill each other That's what So this is we were more Uh, yeah, no we we learned it we came in together. So it's it's great. We're in synergy. It's like two heads is better than one So we can We can make stupid stuff or like at least at least there is a safety net of not being stupid or silly Or you know, so, you know, you catch you catch all that you catch all the stuff How how good you want to make it is depends on how well you write and all that stuff But at least the bottom There is a layer is it's kind of safe because you are looking out you are, you know being a little more tighter on your content at that point and We and we can do a lot more work with two of us We do tend to shoot A lot we should shoot we we should quickly on a set We distribute tasks we edit We edit Yeah, we're also able to do so many things together, right? I mean there are at least three or four shows at any time happening So that way that way there's a nice, I mean Uh Workflow But yeah, I mean, uh, yeah the short answer to that is it is two directors You throw them in a room and say make a film together. They're gonna kill each other But if you're two individuals who became an entity as a director like that's true for even the brothers Even any brothers go and brother watch out. He's any Any because they would have They would have spent so much time together talking about making movies learning making movies before they started making movies The journey gets merged into one. Yeah You know, that's what the that's what the daniels did, right? The Is that is that how they did it right the directors of everything ever all at once? That's what that's how they did There do it too. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah stranger stranger things are do it, too, right? Yes. Yes Yes, absolutely. It's it's becoming far more common Um, yeah, they're all brothers. They're all brothers. Yeah, all right. Yeah So of all the things that you do because you guys do a lot It what would be your favorite thing and what would be your least favorite thing that you have to do in the industry In part of filmmaking process. Yeah Or anything because you've got I mean that's a big question because you guys write. Oh, yeah reduce your show run. I mean We can go through a lot of things as to earlier. It was trying to get the actors to understand what we're making And not And trying to kind of resist the changes they try to push on you. I mean that still happens a bit but At least right now they come to us saying that you want to be in your kind of a film So that's why we're coming to you versus earlier. It was just Very tough to make them understand that this is the humor I want. I want. I don't want so high I want this kind of sensibility. I don't want to be so loud. Can you cut down on the outfits? It's just too loud all kinds of things the sensibilities were the toughest toughest ones initially to to kind of Why those little battles that happen all the time? Yeah Was one of the shitty ones DK. What about you? I know when it comes to roles about making right. I mean, I don't think there's any role we hate right when we are writing We're enjoying the process of writing when we're directing love the process when we're show running. Of course, it gets a little Stressful, uh, because you're not directing. We're only show running. Uh, but you know, we get used to it I know the director is good. That's also an enjoyable process Yeah, and producing is probably the you know when when it comes to it It's also the largest headache of all these things just getting everything in order But we have learned that we have to produce our stuff At the very least so that we have control not just creative control to control on how Things are going. I mean if you want to make a mistake let it be our mistake, right? I mean, right, right? You know, you don't want to overspend on something and certainly not have budget for something as a producer We get to control that aspect of it as well. So we know we know we really have this much What are you going to do with this? So that has become a necessity as well and uh producing So I think we enjoy all aspects of it At varying levels. There's nothing we hate and I honestly think if there is something we hate now, we would be pointing off to somebody else That job You would be pointing it off to somebody else, right? I hear you do that Yeah, that's So you guys have worked with some some great actors obviously, um Manoj Bajpayee obviously a dose of ours as well. Um, but with There hasn't been a lot of I guess For lack of a better term a list actors join the ott series Shahid being one of the first ones to do that. Was it difficult? Did you have to convince him or was he just on board once you told him the story? No, he was He called he brought it up. He brought it out surprisingly Yeah, we were Family man, we were doing we were right developing citadel and then he said and we were talking about doing a film Like Shahid and us and we're like either way guys Uh, what do you think? I mean, do you have any series for me? I'm like, uh, you sure you want to do a series? It's like, yeah, why not? I'm like Right up on board. I mean come on board so, uh, that's you know, and uh We happened to have a concept called farzi Which was perfect for which I already had in mind we had him in mind It was just not in a series format at that time and uh, so it was like it was an easy thing He got on board. I mean now in citadel India the India leg we have What a nonboard and now everybody's understanding the power of this medium and everybody's kind of understood however big a star you are um Nothing beats a good story and a good role and And an ot show A show like this can reach much wider audience than Uh, for example a film because this has a little more of an international reach So people do cherish that like they do appreciate that like Shahid for example Farzi would have been seen a lot more across the world Then perhaps even the biggest blockbuster that would have been seen by a lot of people within India Yeah, and you have you noticed that that changing for big stars like one day we'll see shawarokan in a in an ot series with you guys We have had Two like I would say top three. I don't know how you rate stars these days, but yeah Like two of the top four stars Asking us that let's do a series So it's just a matter of time. I mean it's just a matter of when so both we sat with them about Doing a series and we just didn't have a story that was perfect for them At that point, but yeah, it's on it's it's it's it's everybody's on if they all want to do it because As an actor, that's when they get the most to express That's when they There's always an input in them. They want to break out right and show what all they can do And this is the best platform. Yeah And in the Indian industry, that's one of the one of the perks of a series versus a film like a film has box office money and a lot going for it and the big screen thing meanwhile a series or something Which is an international reach an amazon show or a Netflix show goes to about 200 countries and people get to watch it and That turns out to be one of the pluses If you know no map, you know for for the stars That probably that's not that's probably not true for say an actor in Hollywood Because the films do go as wide as the series, which is why right that's where the difference comes Yeah, yeah And is that something that has always been in your mind? Obviously, you're gonna think about when you're writing It's always going to be Indian at heart and Indian audience and Indian stories, but Have you always had in mind having a much broader reach outside of India to all around the world? When we saw the family man play out, right? So it was premiered in LA At that point, we didn't even think about it and we were in that I don't know what the theater is called the golden globes where they do that thing and we had this interaction with the the The critics there We realized that we didn't even think of the international audience. We just made it as a authentic Indian product And I could see a lot of them pretty much most of them just liking it so much and just interacting talking about it I realized we didn't even think of them when we made it But it went places and I was landed in Barcelona One day and I had it. It was a family man article on the paper. I was like, what is this? And so I had to send a picture to the friend and say read it out. So so I didn't So I So far we haven't thought And designed a project thinking or a series thinking that it should be for international audience But it is already making its way in its own way in its own organic way Like far as we saw it on top, what was it number four in the global list? We were like, wow This is pretty cool that the number of the consumption is so high. So I think From now on whatever we make we're going to keep that in mind that everybody's going to watch it Not that just now on right? I mean, I think we kind of learned it after family man one that you may or may not Make it for an audience outside of India, but you have to acknowledge and be aware that A large audience outside of India is going to be watching it Which is not true for a film a film you could for a regional film or an indian language film. You could make a film saying I know who the people are that's going to be watching it and you make it for them Meanwhile, you for a series you think yes, my target audience is going to be this but Everybody in the world will be watching it. So keep that in mind But do you think we will be changing anything we do because I'm thinking what what do you think we'll even change If you're thinking we're making an international series That's because we were already making That's because we're already making international quality stuff. Yeah, just kidding. No, you are no, you are No, I know Conscious yeah, I think the only thing that will dictate or change would be the language if at all You know, but then is narcos. There's everything else and made in their language Either we don't change the language either because we're making it in Hindi and there's this big large maturing of Tamil and family man too Maybe just marketing, you know, just kind of Towards international. Yeah I said in the sense of a quality consciousness. That's all whether I mean as an You know, if you think you'll be effects is subpar And you think you could get away You probably won't you know, yeah Right. Yeah, right, right. So you you guys would know this better than others Because obviously amazon and netflix and even disney with the disney hot star have been doing a lot of international projects Indian projects as of late. Have you noticed other platforms? Maybe Hopefully one day hbo being interested in like Doing series like that. Have any of the other platforms reached out? You don't have to say specifically But have you noticed other ones like that being reaching out? Yeah, we've had Exactly three three platforms the top ones Each they did they did reach out to us to make The the top ones whatever the main ones they did reach out and said let's make a series together Uh, we are in talks, but each one had us a different kind of an idea like one of them wanted it to be an epic Ish series that if you could do some kind of a grand scale something big Somebody else was saying could you do it in English? And somebody had something else. So we're just trying to see it's more from I don't want to take anyone's story unless we jump at it instinctively And so rather just make it our own. So we're only used to making it Homegrown like really the story is Coming out of us initially. So we kind of know what to do with it In someone else's and figuring how to do I'm sure we can figure that but I think we're we're more excited to really create Something from scratch And they're open to it. It's just it and I think and like always it takes a long time So and you know, you got to get to it. So yeah A question I wanted to ask about What directors and producers do that you don't hear often talked about is the creation of trailers or teasers Do you guys maintain? I think I know the answer to this question You maintain direct oversight and final decision making with the creation of a trailer as a standalone kind of art form with high importance Yeah, no, I love Yeah, yeah It made every single one of our trailers since our first film to now I would I would even say that we sit with the trailer cutters We sit with them and actually design A quite a bit of it sometimes for example guns and gulab's teaser Was something that wasn't even the template We didn't we didn't know what to put even the family man the very first one Uh, it's all you know, you get a lot of ideas, you know, they have a lot of everybody pitches It's not like whose idea is uh, I want my ideas like whose idea is better is what we go with So in fact with guns and gulab's what the fun fact is that It just wasn't we didn't know I mean it was tough to create a one-minute or a 40-seconder And then we decided to come up with this line that that's a team of the the whole show I actually do that as the as the running line around which the Shots are cut with so, you know, we say we really sit with them. I mean the the Yeah, unkid who cut the trailer for guns and gulab's and lots of appreciation Yeah, there's a lot of appreciation coming for the trailer of guns and gulab's, right? Oh, yeah And we just I sit with one guy It's just one guy I'm kid and we just sit with him and do it for the last few series It's it's him for all the feature films. We used to sit with another guy called Nilesh and that was it We just go sit there do it over and over and over again all kinds of things. So yeah, yeah Now our shows Across our shows across amazon and netflix have the same trailer got it, right? So there you go. Yeah Whose idea was it to put? Because I love that part of the oh, yeah, that was an idea. It's actually in the script It's actually in the script. It is in the script. I mean when we were writing the Suman the three of us, you know, it's kind of like A little bit of it is from our childhood, right? Where we're growing up and so there's all these English songs I mean the few English songs we would listen to one of these was I've been waiting another one is the Brian Adams, so you know Look into my eyes and these are a couple of songs that every all of us even in small towns You know in india We're listening to we were all aware of it. So they made it into the show and of course a lot of other hindi songs made it to the show and So that's the one of the songs that were there And it was very expensive to get the rights and we managed there was a lot of other songs We wanted to put that we didn't get the rights So they're not in the show at this point. Yeah, I was gonna ask about the the right there. I bet that wasn't easy Yeah, yeah, oh, yeah the uh, your guns and globs has the most views of any series ever. Is that what is that true? Who said that? Yeah Per perina guns. I have is the most uh nearing 63 million views on youtube of most of any series ever Yeah, I mean we just thought that it's 73 million views Just today and then we're thinking. Oh my god. So our team went off and searched every possible trailer Uh for all the cities like to see where we are at. Yeah 73 million That's awesome Family man season two was like 58. That was like, oh my god because series don't have so many Yeah, I don't get so much and I think looks like these guys are now looking at All the series are on the world and they found game of thrones being 80 right now. So like really we're close to getting Heck yeah, you're soon gonna be the most tormented series ever again Yeah Can we expect any um Because I know it was a thing in family man, but one shots in guns and globs. That was that was one of our favorite parts Is he freezing up or he is for me too. Yeah, he froze. Can you hear me? Yeah Okay, can can we expect any uh, it's one of our favorite parts? I'm and I'm sure you've answered a billion times about the one shots and family man, uh in guns and globs No, we have to eat series with a different style Yeah, otherwise it gets repetitive the whole the whole excitement Class is also to even change the action The style of action is different from how it was in the family man How is in citadel that we were we just shot and And guns and globs is Yeah, I mean Surely there is an element of there is moments of thrill and action in it, but it's still not it. I mean it's not an action series. It's a crime Fun, you know comedy all big series I promise that the action is going to be fun and funny in in guns and globs Not like first the other family man Um, can also are there any um, I've wanted to ask this before Is there are we going to get any connection between farzi and family man? There's a lot of theories obviously out there Uh, are there Is that what I said? Yeah farzi and family man. Are there are we've started down? Sorry, uh, I didn't mention it right It was there. Uh, yeah, we started down that path already, right? We've we have now combined those two worlds by virtue of Existing in the same Universe in the same time, you know with characters making cross appearances. So Yeah, I mean it's that's that's exciting for us also Without necessarily You know having to force it in but there are going to be you know nice moments when we can perhaps You know have a nice cameo And what else what else is in the hopper for you guys? We obviously know of the we're just been talking about but is there anything else that you want people to know That's upcoming or is everything in creative process right now and kind of hush-hush Is pretty much everybody's knows about it. We just finished shooting the series for Citadel India our series with Varun Dhawan and Samarita And that's an action series now now. That's an action series action drama action drama love story Different genre again for us Then from what we've done before sure and we have a crazy crazy epic ish Series called gulkanda tales. That's what I was hoping we talk about a little bit. Yeah Yeah, it's it's it's just every time we say gulkanda tales We have to smile because it's just something So exciting, you know Yeah, it's kind of epic It's like, you know, it's kind of epic That's the tagline. That's the vibe of it That's an official tagline gulkanda tales. It's kind of epic It's great Um, can you see me? period Yeah, it's like game of thrones Oh IMDB IMDB shows pankaj and abhishek attached to it. That's accurate. Yes Sorry Kunal chemo Kunal chemo, uh, pankaj tripati. Yes, Kunal chemo uh-huh Kunal chemo pankaj tripati patralli Uh are the yeah headline the headline the show great and uh, it's almost very So, I don't know if you can hear me. So this sucks. I'm sorry Something's going on with the internet here Quarter back. There he is. I know. I know. I'm sorry Can you hear me? He's the voice of god. Yeah, we can hear you. Yes. Oh my word. I'm so sorry. This is awful I'll go ahead and end it here with the the last question uh for you, uh I see on IMDB a go-go gone sequel Is that accurate? It does Oh, that's what it says. So is that true or is that is that fake news? What would I say What 10 or more? Yeah, it's 10 years right since the release. It's been wow 10 years. We recently had the 10 years. It just feels like two years ago and just Of go-go gone. It's so fresh. It looks like and like we will keep asking for it over and lower See, you know, we try to make a new world. We try to move because that's what is more exciting to Create something brand new again Go-go gone of course has special place and special level. I don't know. I don't know. There are too many logistical logistical complications with that Yeah, otherwise it would have come five years That's a good reaction expression for It is it is that answer is non plus I Yeah, exactly Yeah, there he is. I hear him again I don't know if It recorded any of it because I can I heard like just a few little snippets of what you just said. So I hope you're recording or only one idea He is but we can if it didn't record it We can say that they didn't tell us very much and you can all keep talking about it all you want We had to cut it because it was confidential Um Well, I will go because the like the us Like way you don't have internet connection. Yeah, I don't know. Oh, it happens Um, well before the internet completely cuts out all in this. So he's trying again. Oh my goodness You're back. Oh my god Thank you guys so much for your time. I don't know if you can hear me We can you can hear you now. This is can you hear us? Can you hear us? Yeah, I can I can uh, I'm so sorry, right? I don't know if you want to be asking I think that's the case And I I'm hoping it's just his output not as input regarding to recording you guys talking and getting you guys on camera This is terrible. Anyways, thank you guys so much uh for for being on with us. I'm sorry about the internet We've needed to do reactions of things and he's been away and we haven't been able to do them because he's had issues with Wi-Fi connectivity and things. It's not just it's everywhere in the world Darwin you you just have to switch from modem, you know Now we can make all the jokes we want now because he can't hear us exactly. Oh my goodness I can hear you I can we can hear you we can hear you talk slow. We can hear you I I I ended the uh, the uh Well And in the event that he keeps coming in and out as a closing thought whether it's recorded or not um, we've we've been Very excited to talk to you guys you your creativity is consistently original The international audience is clearly embracing what you do because the quality of what you guys do on an artistic level is so so high and Obviously like you said before if it's if it's not Broken don't don't fix it. Just keep doing what you're doing You're one of the most exciting creatives in the industry and not just india, but in the world And we're really grateful in the midst of all the busyness that you guys have all that you do that you you'd spend time with us and and and Allow the great big stupid family to get some insight into what you do because what we're saying is not just our opinion We are repeatedly in Yep, I'll do it Orbin, we finished everything. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry, man. I don't know what the fuck just happened That was I heard I heard I heard most of you guys. So I'm so sorry We had a good laugh. We made a bunch of jokes on you and then yeah, yeah, I heard it was awesome. Thank you so much All right. Thank you. Appreciate talking to you man. Have a going