 Hello and welcome to the drum history podcast some brand new video interviews that are happening here specifically for YouTube So I want to thank Vincent Ward of vitalizer drums and at junk rock in West Chester, Pennsylvania for joining me today Vincent. Welcome Hey, thanks Bart. Thanks for having me. Yeah, I'm glad you're my guinea pig for this because I got a you know, this is the first one So I'm probably gonna enhance my background a little bit as time goes on and fix some bugs But as I mentioned, I want to put things up on YouTube because there's a really great community on YouTube and some awesome Video creators like John de Christopher. I always see his and think man He's just doing such an awesome job and it looks great. So I figured why not do it and You and I have known each other for, you know a number of years now And you were a really early guest on the podcast talking about speed king pedals, which I still get comments saying oh, man I love that episode. So so yeah, again, thank you for Coming on and letting me test things out with you. Yeah, thank thanks for that episode and I get a lot of people who Have heard the episode and then they they come to me and it's sort of It gives them a lot of the information that that they need to know it gets people interested in it Started doing speed kings in 2014 so it's been it's been quite a while now But yeah vitalizer Over the past couple of years Ludwig reissued the speed king that they announced at the beginning of 2020 and they kind of landed a Little bit later that year. So once that happened Immediately started figuring out how to pivot because I realized you know the markets gonna get flooded with these new speed kings and It's really gonna the business can't be that narrow anymore So I started restoring other stuff other pedals other hardware and I started looking for You know somewhere to land basically Yeah, so in the process of when when vitalizer was was going full steam I would travel to all these drum shows. I will buy every speed king in the room. Literally. I mean I rarely left one behind Because that started to become the only cost effective way to get them As speed kings became more popular and Ludwig put a lot of money into advertising in 2020 and Got a lot of people thinking oh, hey I really used to like that pedal or I used to have one I want to get one again and some of that business came to me because the time period from when they announced it to when they actually landed was A long time like eight months or more so It became a lot harder to get speed kings at a reasonable price online But in the process of traveling to these shows I started to meet people when I was traveling I would always stop by whatever drum shop was there and One of the drum shops that I I started visiting was junk rock in Westchester, Pennsylvania and Junk rock was started by Michael Windish his main business is live entertainment production it so basically Piring and training musicians for for different things like cruise ships theme parks stuff like that so during the pandemic it kind of came to a halt and He he was he kind of didn't really know what to do so being a drummer first he used to He's an excellent drummer. He used to tour with chubby checker Oh So he can really play and he basically started selling off some of his own stuff and Because other business was on on pause it really kind of evolved into a hobby and then a business and He kind of just fell into The rabbit hole as as a lot of people do when they get into vintage drums, you know You start learning about things you start meeting people and it's just incredibly fascinating So yeah, when I first met him a couple years ago, it was basically it was in this building So behind me now is the main showroom were kind of you can see there's a lot of stuff in here but where it's being transitioned into a proper drum shop and It was basically just a big room full of stuff and you know people would dig through and find things and Yeah after talking to him, you know as the pandemic started to Loosen its its hold on on the United States his other business started back up and he needed somebody to come here and Basically be a shop manager, I guess it would be called but doing all the different aspects and with my background in restoration It just it was it was very serendipitous because yeah, I Needed to pivot anyway. So vitalizer still exists It's currently on hiatus just because I can't spread myself too thin sure but Eventually vitalizer will exist here in this building and vitalizer will now be Restoring everything so everything that comes in the building is going to get the same type of Process that was developed with vitalizer, you know really yeah Diving into things and not just restoring them or flipping them getting them ready to sell but really Looking into the history of it the information. What can be gathered looking at the date stamps? What are the anomalies, you know with Ludwig especially when stuff comes in you're constantly learning something you could you could be Dealing with these these drums for years and all of a sudden something comes in that challenges What you thought? Yeah, really. Yeah, that's what I found very interesting with doing a lot of these episodes as things almost I don't want to say contradict themselves sometimes But that happens where you think one thing and then someone else says another thing and they can both be Correct more or less and that's awesome. I can't think of a better person Than you to be in that role I'm sure he trusts you completely because you know your stuff And vitalizer it's just like I mean you're you're a young guy and to have created a business that did well and now you're smart enough to kind of transition and and See what's happening and then now work with a shop. I think it makes a lot of sense and and one thing you said before about Going to the drum shows and stopping and buying pedals. I remember Going to like the first Chicago show I went to which I think was in 2018 Where we shared a booth and just hearing your process of oh, yeah I drove whatever 12 or 14 hours to get here and then I'm stopping along the way at drum shops And it turns into like a pilgrimage. I mean you you you collect things. You're like, oh, and then I'm going on the way back I'm gonna stop it like Steve Maxwell's and pick up things there it like coming from being just a drummer and not really being in this world of like You know drum nuts basically who are obsessed with it, which I now very much am It was just so cool because a lot of people do that where they take a van And they hit shops along the way and they they pick things up to take back to their shops or for you like speed kings or five thousands It just really was eye-opening to see that and what a fun way to do things but Obviously as things changed, it's nice that you found a shop kind of home base which looking behind you It looks it looks awesome. It looks like you guys have some great equipment available Yeah, this is just the this is just one area off of this room. There's there's two other rooms There's a second floor, and then there's a third floor to and it's the awful with drums So this is just the tip of the iceberg. There's a lot of stuff here it to restore, but yeah We're back to what you're saying about traveling to the shows. It's It's really it's very easy to justify if you're also a collector because your If it was just business and just money, I feel like it would it would really lessen the appeal of it, but some of the Moments of purest joy are walking into a shop and just seeing something and knowing wow That is so incredibly rare, and I'm gonna try to buy it and then you get it One time that the my best example and memory of that is going into Al Druze which is in Somewhere in Rhode Island In Rhode Island, it's beautiful. You get to see the country too, you know, yeah, so Rhode Island in the fall I think this was for the Pennsylvania show run by Jack Lawton, and I walked in there And I'm looking around in that room. It's it's a big long room. It's just full of stuff and I Saw just a shelf full of pedals and it was it was you know, I knew that right away There were several things I was interested of my personal collection and then just sitting Kind of by itself Was this pedal and it was a 1942 what they what Steve's eminent calls like the skeleton footboard No one really knows he and I have slightly different opinions about the origin of it but there it was sitting there and it was a Skeleton footboard speedmaster, which I did not even know existed, but there it was sitting in front of me and Yeah, I just took it over to him He was in his office shooting this shit with his buddies and I was like, hey how much do you want for this? And he was like a hundred bucks and I was like, okay You know, I I didn't cuz you know, that was the first time I met him people's first impression of you matters Yeah, if he didn't like me he would have said, ah, it's not for sale. Yeah Yeah, he just said he just threw out a number and I was like cool and then I got three other pedals And yeah on the way back, you know, I wasn't I was excited about the speed kings I picked up on that trip and the and the people I met and the networking But I was really excited about that pedal and putting it next to my other one and seeing the differences and sure Yeah, that's I mean just that the The hunt is so and you you're doing it obviously for a profession But we all have that where if you're looking on I don't know It's like midnight and you're just kind of looking through like Facebook marketplace or something and you just like are kind of oh my god Like there there's something special It's just like is this like rush that like is so it's addicting I mean you want to just keep looking for stuff and it's even more so when you like you're doing when you hit the road and You get in shops and you walk through and you find stuff But let me ask you this though So so when you're kind of doing your hunt like on the way to a drum show a drum show Do you also maybe look on Craigslist or are you stopping at garage sales ever or thrift shops? I mean, I realize it's harder to find stuff there, but then it's like it's more I don't want to say pure, but it's not been Already found by another drummer. Do you like doing that sort of stuff too? I'm kind of odd in that aspect where I actually don't even look anymore online for anything Certain things that I'm looking for like another thing that I started getting into Vintage symbols, I found one a couple years ago and it was it was you know when you're collecting old zildjans specifically they do not all sound good you could take five of them and line them up and and You know one's average to sound bad one is okay a little better And then one is like oh You know when you do that first the first thing, you know I found one of those symbols and then every other I tried to build a set around it And I wanted to get rid of my modern symbols, which were Istanbul egg ops and you know have all old zildjans and I looked and looked and looked and That's another funny thing about searching for something you could say wow this must be so rare I've been looking for a year and a half two years. I haven't found one all of a sudden Here it is and then all of a sudden a week later. Oh, well here's another one so I kind of I Started getting a lot of symbols and what I like to do is a AB stuff so you put them right next to each other and To find a full set that sounds good together is quite challenging for old symbols because there's a lot of variants between them and Yeah, so I do still look for I like 24 inch and larger old zildjans that's what I'm that's what I'm looking for and Trans stamped is the era that everyone loves that's like mid Early to mid 40s to early to mid 50s and that's kind of the last era where they were made by hand So they've really got a special sound to them. It's much different than The air is afterwards which are hollow block and then late 50s and then they get by the time you get into the 60s They're they're much more uniform sounding you know now you're in the Ringo era and Everything is streamlined. Yeah, there's no long. There's no longer. There can't be a person there anymore who's You know taking the time to hand hammer something everything needs to be a lot a lot more streamlined Yeah, just by this the sheer nature of mass production and meeting supply and demand It just kind of makes sense. So it's a special thing to get those earlier I also wanted to just there's because there's some avid camco collectors out there And I know you have a beautiful camco set or at least you did last time we were talking I know that's kind of your baby talk about that a little bit I got for now. Wow. Okay. So talk about camco for a little bit Camcos incredibly rare There just is not nearly as many of them as as other brands So of the four that I have one of them I'm probably gonna get rid of it because it's more of like a player's Set it'd be perfect for somebody who actually wants to be able to love their camcos around and play them And I just don't play music with other people. I don't rehearse. I don't gig So it feels like it should be passed on and I have a friend who's interested in it Who I'll I'll probably I mean he just started looking for camco But he's he's in the business of finding drums. So he's in the time period that we've been talking about He's found like three other sets. So you can find you can find them if you're looking for them They're just really well made. They sound really good. And I have I have My two main sets, you know, they're they're lifers I would I'm holding on to those for the for the long haul but yeah as a younger collector and for younger I Invintage drums like consider that anyone is on under the age of 45 basically You're considered a young a young guy if you're under 45 Yeah, you have to be pretty strategic about it So there's not a lot of supply of some of these certain things the things that I like they're really rare So I still look on reverb and ebay for the big symbols because they just don't come up that often Most of the time when I find something a shop has already gotten it and I end up paying, you know Full retail for it, which is fine because I'm not in the business of buying these things and reselling them I'm buying them for personal use. I don't personally care if they go up or down in value I don't like paying a lot more than retail. That's kind of like a limitation I've put on myself just It just it just doesn't it doesn't feel good to pay more than what something's worth But a lot of times it ends up being like that. It's either in the hands of a collector who has overvalued it or they overpaid for it or Wherever the circumstances are it's just Sure, they're just extremely Expensive, but yeah, I'm really happy with the stuff I have now as far as my pedal collection I Did stop looking online for them because that's a very slippery slope, you know You end up getting a lot of stuff and you pay a lot of money for it I'm to the point with the pedal collection where I am only adding things that I find organically So when I'm traveling or now working at junk rock, this stuff just comes in in the door, you know, many times per week Windish will come back and I'll have a carload full of stuff that comes in and we'll look through it and see, you know, what's You know, what the stuff is and evaluate it and in there. So this is a perfect example This is a Ludwig, Jr. With a little later. Yeah This is something that just came in with a bunch of other stuff and you probably won't be able to tell But it has like a homemade repair. Yeah with like a little wire Interesting. I love this stuff. This is incredibly common pedal but it's so interesting to me that this guy had this pedal and He played it and Actually replacing it later with a better pedal, but when this piece broke, he didn't go get a new pedal He just took a piece of wire from something Maybe it's a paper clip and just twisted it all up and the pedal the pedal works now It works. He fixed it and that's me that to me is so incredibly fascinating That's the kind of stuff that I want to collect and eventually display You know, yeah in in nice cabinets and stuff and you can look at it and you remember maybe where you got it or Absolutely a little story of why it's interesting, you know, it's it's this is more interesting than finding one that's in Very good condition because it's shape. It tells a story. Yeah, what year is that one? Oh Probably park probably 30s. Okay, probably 30s. It came with some other stuff that was a Lot of the hardware was from the 30s, but the drums themselves were from the 50s. So it probably Maybe the guy had a drum set and then he traded it in for a new newer model in the 50s in the early 50s But he kept all of his hardware for whatever reason smart. We've all done that where it's like, oh, I'm gonna sell This drum set, but I'm keeping the snare or I'm keeping the throne because you always you always need a throne It is absolutely fascinating. I've always I kind of knew once once I realized vitalizer wasn't gonna be viable For a lot longer. I knew I wanted to land at a drum shop because it's it is so incredibly fascinating to see the stuff come in and We're in a special time period where In in 20 years, it's not gonna be like this where you're getting things from the original owners or the original owners Family and it's intact. Everything's going to be split up and and and spread out so being able to document during this time period for someone like me is I Mean the information is is incredibly valuable to me. Yeah, opening up a trap case or yeah, somebody's like I Opened up a a little briefcase and in there this guy clearly played timpani was every single thing he brought to his His job as a as a timpaniist or whatever. It's called All of his mallets sheet music a little note that says this is not a table Because people I guess used to set stuff on his timpani. He's like, this is not a table. Don't wow Don't put your stuff on this. Um, it's just a glimpse into his like his this guy's process I mean, that's just unbelievable absolutely fascinating to see this stuff and So, yeah, I've gotten a little a little experience with that already and stuff like that will continue to come in and It's awesome. Yeah, I mean one thing that that comes to mind too and I spoke about it recently on The episode with Terry Keating, which I want to say thank you to Terry for sending me this Mug which I think he sells them on his Website or through YouTube because people asked about that so there you go, but I was talking to Terry about The younger generation of people and how impressed I am which with with the amount of knowledge that people such as yourself have And actually when I talked about him, I was referring in my mind to you about, you know, a 35 year old guy Has so much information about vintage drums and it's not just you it's a lot of people of all ages, but It's the amount of information that can be retained and and and about every single little item I think is only possible if you're super passionate about something like you're it's like, you know in school I hated math. I'm not really I wasn't really good at it. I didn't retain, you know, I can obviously do Basic math, but or French. I was taking French in school. I can't speak a word of it I took it for like 13 years. It's like It the passion I think leads to this sponge like Absorbing of information which like just you can you can walk into a room and know everything and going to these drum shows I think is like a candy store for guys like you guys like me at girls everyone where you just you don't see all this stuff at at any one drum shop which kind of leads into the discussion of Of drum shows which I'll speak a little bit about me because I know we kind of a couple bullet points We want to try and talk about and I just want to say that me entering this scene in 2018 With with no real like I mean obviously I'm a long-time drummer But no real background and going to shows and collecting beyond, you know buying a Ludwig set here in there Was so welcoming and inviting just right off the bat Even before going to a show just through the internet, which we all you know are lucky to live in an era where we can Just talk to each other like this or check out what a shop has from our couch But the drum shows in general I think the best thing I ever did is go to the Chicago show in 2018 where You again, we're just like hey you want to join my booth and I was like yes, and I think it was Mutually beneficial. I hope because you know, I had some listeners on the podcast You had an actual physical reason to have a booth, which I really didn't so that was just great, but Just everyone is so welcoming and inviting and I'll be totally honest that it's a little intimidating at first Like walking in the door to any shots. I'm still pretty new at this going. I've only been to you know, five or six real shows It's still a little nerve nerve racking to be like, you know, I don't know everything there is to know about vintage drums I've learned a lot over a hundred whatever 40 episodes, but Everyone is very very inviting. I do think which I think is a good thing You still need to earn your stripes a little bit. So day one you need to like kind of like show that you're passionate and Like authentic Because people don't just rush up to you and go welcome come on in it's still a little bit of like who's this guy? What's he doing in a nice way? But you still need to kind of maybe year one you don't get invited to the dinners or whatever, you know But as time goes on and as you put yourself out there I have found very much for me that like people just accept you like with open arms It has nothing to do with your playing ability. It has nothing to do with your Collection that you have at home it's just all about your passion and just your again being authentic people love that and I think that's a great thing about the community and So that being said, let's let's let's talk about those drum shows a little bit more. It's 2022 It's January the world is still a weird place Yeah, what are you feeling about all this? What do you got coming up? Very excited for the Delaware drum show. I believe that is February 27th I have to have to double check that but that's Joe Joey McClure's or Joey boom as some people call them that's his show and That's a show you want to be at and it epitomizes the the what you're talking about There are people there are a lot of people that go to that show who are not You know diehard members of the community They're they're people who are interested in drums people who play drums and they like seeing the stuff They're not necessarily there to buy things but Yeah, yeah, everyone's everyone's there everyone's welcome and Yeah, I'll be there Junk rocks gonna be there a lot of other other people You do need to bring some kind of proof of a vaccination So there was a little bit of waves about that But you know Mechler's just doing what he yeah, he's doing what's best for the community trying to keep people safe Because unfortunately, we've lost a lot of people in in the in the community. It's it's it's like it's really tragic Because you're talking about the idea of Knowing everything or not knowing everything the truth lies in between you know what you know and you don't know There's a lot that you don't know and there's certain things No one is going to learn as much as I've learned about speedkings No one's going to learn as much about World War II drums as Joe Mechler and You know Mark Cooper that the guys who have really taken an interest in that So thankfully a lot of this information has been recorded in books by Rob Cook and others people he's collaborated with and others Steve's emineck, you know wrote his book and yep, sorry, sorry Steve not everything in there's correct But but it's the best it's the best that he could deduce you're dealing with imperfect information and I'm Yeah, it's the information needs to be passed on if everyone who knows everything right now never tells anyone never records it Then you can't build on that it would have been so incredibly difficult for me to figure out vintage symbols Which is my current? You know special interest The first thing I did was check out the the amazing resources that are online that tell you all of his other stuff that people and then I build off of that and Always question everything you hear Especially with Ludwig nothing is written in stone. There's always exceptions to the rule and there's always a mystery to figure out but Getting a younger generation Anyone who's interested don't be intimidated come to these shows ask questions Look up look up information do your own research find your own information and don't be afraid to be part of the community I I really sincerely hope that that What exists right now with vintage drums with a lot of people being interested in a lot of people? Caring about them and a lot of people playing them. I hope that exists forever and I'm doing my part to To perpetuate that working at a drum shop is a great opportunity To further that that agenda, you know, you're taking in these items a lot of them are broken You're fixing them figuring out what they are doing the research And then you you add that value and then you present it to the community so you're gonna pay more at these drum shops, but They're doing a lot of the work for you Of course, you can look and try to find your own things but as time goes on it's gonna be the vintage drum shops that are your resource for information to get these items and Also, I know very few people who Find exactly what they're looking for on the first try if you want to try something out sit down and play it take it home change your mind bring it back trade it and Find out some more information a vintage drum shop is is where you want to be for that Yeah, and that's that's a lot of the fun and really that that Kind of rewinding a little bit to the show stuff, which I think leads directly into that These shows are typically Pretty regional where I know for me in Cincinnati, I can get to I know there's I mean even going to the music city drum Show in Nashville, which we were both that last year Like there's typically one I would say within a four-hour drive of most people unless you live in like Alaska or something I mean, there's typically one that's like Pretty pretty regionally, you know, Chicago and Pennsylvania and St. Louis so And then you can go there and pick things up and try things and meet You know from from from coming in as an outsider years ago to now being kind of on the I guess the inside I always feel weird saying that it's To be on the inside to meet people who you see on On social media is just sort of like a cool thing Like Bryson Nelson or like you or Rob cook or there Steve Maxwell walking around or any of these guys It's just like it really makes it more real Because we're all real people and then then you can actually pick up the gear there and say what's the story with this? And I think I think people like Sellers collectors really enjoy in my opinion when someone is curious and Very nice about it instead of saying picking it up and going oh, this is this and saying something that might be wrong asking questions and And being really kind of happy and let's talk about it, especially I remember with if you go and check out Joey boom set up He's going he's it's great. He'll tell you everything you want to know about it so that's just another great thing about those shops and or I should say shows and shops is you can just go in and pick Things up and put your hands on it and learn and maybe you don't need to spend $2,000 on a drum set, but you can still touch it and feel it and learn about it and oh Okay, these lugs look like this and this is this hardware. Yeah, so it's just a really cool thing to get out there and And and do the do the shows So now where will you be this year that we can all kind of look for Vincent Delaware for sure Chicago for sure You'll see a lot more shows popping up once the Once the pandemic it and who knows how long it's actually gonna last but right before the pandemic hit There was supposed to be a Las Vegas show. There was a New England show that that Don Macaulay was going to do yeah, and and Jack Lawton he just kind of he stopped You know, he said basically until the pandemic is in a better place I'm not doing the Pennsylvania show anymore. So if that I go to any show that exists, you know, yeah I mean up to Chicago. I'm not gonna travel across the country usually but The shows are also, you know that first year in 2018, you know, I was on the outside, too No one knew who I was I was sitting there at the booth and and John Aldridge came up and I was like, oh my god that's John Aldridge and At the time, you know, you weren't as well-known either but at the music city show when we were talking, you know, you've got a very a very distinctive Loud, you know Voice that people have heard for hours and hours. So just us talking, you know casually You would see people look over you they would hear your voice and recognize it and say oh, you know, that's that's the bar That's Bart. That's the drum history guy and that's that is so cool. That's like that makes me so happy to see You know again people who are younger that are coming in here and Picking up the torch asking questions your podcast. I feel like it was it's the biggest thing for helping people with that and Being on YouTube. I think it's gonna help it even more. You're getting a different a younger audience. You know, the next thing is Tic-toc, I guess Dancing on tic-toc to get that. No, no, but like, you know Instagram just introduced these reels or whatever totally you have to you a lot of people are not gonna come to these shows especially with COVID, you know people a lot of people are just they're not gonna come to these shows anymore and And until that is in a better place, but yeah, yeah It has to be a source where people can actually access it, you know, yeah YouTube podcast social media and get those gears turning people. Well, what is the big deal about vintage jobs? How are they different than my Maypex set? Okay, here's how they're different. Um, maybe I am interested in this Maybe they start looking start asking questions Yeah, and then Yeah, it's it's there. Yeah. Yeah, and I want to say too. Thank you very much about what you said but so Obviously people are probably watching this on YouTube and it's an interesting thing because a lot of people watch I put up a still image and they'll watch the podcast which is just a still image for an hour or whatever and just so people know that Like the primary listenership of the podcast is on like Spotify and Apple Um, where you can download it on your phone and all this stuff, but I realized that a lot of people Do listen slash watch these still image just kind of a you know, an hour of one image so they can see it on YouTube but if you Want you can also listen on your phone. You can search for drum history anywhere That's just kind of a thing where I found people on youtube Maybe didn't know that that it is actually just like on on Stitcher and these podcast platforms But my goal here with youtube is to share more videos Because I am a youtube like I know I think you you are too vincent where I watch it like every night Like I treat it almost like Like sometimes you're like netflix and hulu It's just like I get sick of it and I just want to go to youtube and watch videos of like um You know computer reviews or like uh Anything just anything anything even things I watch videos on um Sports card collecting. I don't have any any sports cards. I love Getting a window into another collecting community. It's the same thing. They have shows and things like that I watch it on video game collecting. I don't I mean I have some retro video games now because that's a perfect example I watched I was like, why do people collect these you can just get an emulator or whatever or and then After you know meeting some people and watching some of these videos like well I'm going to go into the attic and dig out my old stuff and and then I ended up getting some new stuff And I even went to a show with uh my neighbor who's super into Video game collecting so it's cool. That's the process for getting people interested in these things in these communities So yeah, I I commend your effort and I I really I really hope to see See that continue absolutely, um and uh Why don't we as we wrap up here first off? I want to say thank you to everyone for watching this and for listening again If you want a new episodes of the podcast come out every Tuesday Um, I released some Monday night at midnight eastern standard, which I've you know, there's people all over the world So there's different time zones. Um But uh, you can listen there There's some new merch that I just put up for drum history where if you go to the website and click the shop button It's through t-public, which is which is one of those sites where like they make it they ship it I get so this is kind of funny. I get a dollar Like if you buy a t-shirt, I get one dollar Which is not great, but uh, it's better to have shirts and mugs and pillows And if you want a drum history laptop case go ahead and buy it. It's on there. Um, so I'm kind of trying that out Um But that being said, uh, I hope to do more of these videos Um, oh and about merch before I forget I'm gonna say thank you to hose from um Revival drum shop in portland He just sent me a bunch of awesome swag because I think he's really enjoying the podcast and he also sent This is just how nice of a guy is he sent two of everything so my wife could have some like he sent her a sweatshirt He sent her a pink shirt with the revival logo. He sent uh sticks a book a lowboy beater Um stickers a sizzler. I mean just an awesome Just beyond nice package. So thank you to hose at revival Um, I can't wait to hopefully make it out to portland and check out the shop, but um me too. Yeah So yeah, that's that's going further away than chicago than your line So you got to make it out that way and go more uh to the west and although I mean it becomes like a like a pilgrimage Um, I mean I will for sure go there one day Hose has got a really wonderful brand a really wonderful business that he's he's built there and um, yeah, I'll definitely visit Definitely visit someday Totally. All right. So vincent is we're like finishing up here Why don't you say where people can find you and junk rock and promote that kind of stuff and then we'll uh, we'll wrap it up Yeah, so, uh, the website still exists for vitalizer. It's vitalizer drum No ass on there And um, I'm here at junk rock. Um, so this will be the source for for getting for getting things as time moves forward You're welcome to come by and um Phone is the best way. Uh, if you go to the website, you'll find my phone number And that is that is the best way to contact me now. Um Yeah, that's sure that's that's it. That's cool. That's great And you're in westchester pennsylvania, um, which is pretty close to new york I I used to live in scranton pennsylvania, um home of the office. So i'm sort of nice familiar with pennsylvania, but um Okay, vincent. Thank you again for taking the time to um to do this and thanks again for everyone on youtube for subscribing I feel like I have to say that because i'm a youtuber now Remember to subscribe smash that like button smash the like button leave a comment. Um Tell us about your collection. Maybe like things that you're collecting. I think that's really cool. Maybe what's your Specific thing that you like like vincent has he's going in pedals now. He's going in symbols What are some things that you guys uh are enjoying and um, and we'll go from there and like I said, this is the guinea pig first episode So things will get cleaner. I'm in a this is you know, where I record the podcast is the third floor of my house Which is like sort of unfinished um, but Things will get cleaner and better as I go. So uh, thanks everyone for watching And thank you vincent for being here Yep, I wanted to dedicate this this first episode to some of my friends that have been lost in the last couple of years. Um, Neil Longo, he made solid shell drums wonderful person. He was always at these shows. It's where I met him um, he passed in the last year and um, this is super recent mr. Sticks all his real name is john marr and um Man really really tragic. I really I love seeing him at these shows Connecticut and Delaware just a wonderful person such a such a great energy to him So he's passed in the last week and just say rest in peace. It was wonderful to get to to meet these guys and um You know, it's yeah, there's still there's still plenty of plenty of people from from that era who are coming to these shows sharing their information and um You know get out there and meet these guys That's great. What a good way to end this episode. I appreciate it vincent. Thanks for being here. Thanks Bart