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Sir, the country where there are so many problems, economy is struggling, people have to get food and water When you have small things of happiness in that country, one of them is cricket And today they are happy about cricket I swear to you, I found out that they were eating burgers last night They were eating pizza last night Thanks for tuning in to another episode of 575 ounces As we had promised you that we come to you every Saturday but in this very show that is being our third episode We took a bit of an exception because the India-Pakistan encounter was on Sunday So we thought what better way to sum up that encounter than to do it a day after that match was played out in Manchester India thumping Pakistan Really coming out on top in all departments of the game and it was termed as the mother of all battles The biggest rivalry in World Cricket And all that kind of bullshit that happened but really that's the topic of our discussion today on newsclick.in Does it really live up to the hype and the rivalry? We are joined in studio by Siddhanthani Leslie Xavier And of course joining us from his 10 that has only books of pornography Cricket I doubt it, it's my father's collection Okay I'll take it back, it's only cricket books behind him Guys I'll open the floor for you guys man who's taking it over Firstly you guys have seen the match or not? Because I have seen the whole match and after a long time I have seen the whole match I felt like I aged by 20 years This match is not a playing match That's what cricket does, usually if you watch a full game you age 20 years So if you see cricket journalists they look really wise and you'll see that's what they look like Yeah and then the rain delays and the non-stop Plus they don't even reach Santoshan so it gets even worse Yeah I mean the hype just didn't last My only point is how long will this hype continue when the rivalry on the field is negligible I don't know what that means How long will we keep building up as the mother of all battles? This is the biggest game in world cricket When actually the game is played out India is better than Pakistan in all departments They haven't even had a sniff in But that's what sport is like For example I'm just going to take a step back and go on to a different sport And talk about a rivalry called the classical Which I don't know if our viewers know too much about But if they don't then it's basically between And he's judging you right now Yeah I don't know why he's judging me but it's okay It's good that I can see it now Usually when he's sitting in front I can't see what he's thinking But my point being that the classical is still hyped up And it's still a big rivalry And the rivalry does not have to do anything with what the gameplay is Like obviously Pakistan are not a competitive team At the level that they were in the 90s Or the early 2000s anymore In comparison to India And those are of course unfortunate circumstances Of course is that But I still think that the hype is real Like I am in Giridhi which is a small town in Jharkhand And I was watching this game with my father And once India's victory was confirmed Pataki Pute there So my immediate question to my father If he was in Bombay then Giridhi is a small town So I think sitting and saying that the hype is not justified By on-field action is maybe Like only a part of the arc They have to compliment each other If they're not complimenting each other How long does the hype remain? You're talking about classical Okay Barcelona were dominating for a while 4-5 years but Real came back And they started winning Ronaldo was scoring at the new camp So your statistics are wrong man But I'll let you be for that Because ever since Lionel Doesn't matter how many scores The point being that the way that Barcelona have dominated Madrid Is unbelievable in the last 10 years In fact in the last 10 years Madrid winning 4 Champions Leagues in a row Doesn't really fuel the rivalry Now we are going But that's my point So then Pakistan have won the Champions Trophy Pakistan won the Champions Trophy What did they do after that? They won the rivalry They won the final They won the T20 World Cup There are two more people here in this discussion Welcome guys Nice to have Mr Giridhi Bakshi on today Thank you So are we talking El Classico Are we talking India Park I just got confused We are talking about fireworks But as it happens in India-Bakistan games And it has been going on for a long time Line of control has been firing on both sides So until the sun is shining Till then this rivalry won't continue Whether the hype is I mean Rohit Sharma in his post-match press conference Said as much as the hype The build up This has to do more with stuff going on Off the pitch As far as... It is obviously If I draw If we are drawing football parallels It is like Argentina and England Argentina always beats England But then They have that Let's see that rivalry The build up to that game is Nothing compared to the build up to this game Yeah So then if we are Building this as the mother Of all competitions of the World Cup By the way I agree with Pandit That there was no competition on field And when you are a spectator When we are watching a match If there is no competition there If there is no contest Then it is worthless Any sport for that matter You watch a boxing match If one guy is pounding the other guy It is no fun It is like that Fraud bout that happened Between Corner and Mayweather Similar to that And if you are hyping this as the Match of the World Cup It reflects very badly on the World Cup I think you guys are confusing two completely different things You guys are confusing between The quality of the play And a rivalry that is created because Of history, a shared culture And a huge amount Of conflict Generated by the politics of these two countries These are two completely different things There was a period in the 90s When we could not even touch Pakistan Eight out of ten times We would lose There was a period like that Now the bell is shifted Now we are like that And their team is very bad But they live for that one moment When they may win The rivalry has more to do with Everything that happens Outside of the pitch How is the mother of all that It is the mother of all that It is the mother of all that Are you telling me An India-Australia encounter is not a bigger game An India-England encounter In this World Cup is not a bigger game Both the teams are on par You cannot call the game Before a ball has been bowled Even before the game has started All the TV journalists All our brothers Everyone knew India will dominate on the day Everyone knew everything Fakar Zaman, Babar Azam Everyone was saying that was one period Where Pakistan was in the game Even then they were behind the run rate Thus DLS and thus they were behind DLS And thus they got screwed Once the rain came over What is the judge for I am sorry again I just want to be clear This is the biggest game or not Like what is the judge We have gone through all the statistics Whatever I have read today morning Tells me that this has been Clearly the most watched game Of this edition already And will probably be unless India reaches the final Because the stadium was back We like to have children Both sides These are like These are strange arguments All of our people have forgotten Why is a Harsha book I will give you a small thing Why is a Harsha book so much loved on Twitter Not just because of course What he presents and what he does for the game of cricket But also because there are so many people That follow him over here It doesn't quite happen with the Nasir Hussain Who doesn't have that many numbers back in England So you can't really back those numbers up In terms of TRPs and the number of people watching Essentially I guess One of the arguments is that You're basing it on how many people watch the game And you're basing it on what happens on the pitch In terms of the sporting rivalry And in that context I mean you have to say it's like The best team in the world playing a schoolboy is 11 I think India could have sent Three teams to the World Cup That would have given the India Main squad a much closer run For their money than any team Could have sent I think unfortunately it is exactly Thinking that has caused this sort of gap To appear in World Cricket today It is exactly this sort of arrogance Where in countries like India, Australia And England who started doing well Earn a lot of money in the game And are able to sustain themselves Through broadcasting these sponsorships And suddenly we are so good That we don't need to play So we end the rivalry No one is saying that we end the rivalry No sir, I don't believe That's what has caused this gap Because if we say That we don't need to play in Pakistan They are not good enough That's not the point at all Their top 11 The difference of the earth and the sky It would have been the opposite If you remember I am saying right now At that time we thought that we were rivalry Why we thought that That's absolutely fair I mean on the one hand You are saying that Pakistan doesn't have Enough team to We are saying That what is the build up of this hype As the biggest contest in cricket It's not the biggest contest in cricket ERPA Hype That's all there is In the last 10 years You imposed economic blockade On the Pakistan cricket You have killed the cricket In that country After that you are Robbing it The economic blockade is not the only thing Fair enough One of the contributing factors Is that there is no money left in Pakistan And why is there no money left in Pakistan cricket? Because essentially India Don't want to play them Pretty much As much as you play with Bangladesh As much as you play in Dubai Till the time that bilateral series Won't be available On a regular basis Or on a revenue sharing basis Why is this hype being created? Because someone's 100 crore rupees Is being made in revenue If you don't create a hype Then your ad value How does it go from 5 lakhs for 10 seconds To 25-30 lakhs For 10 seconds 50% it was hype man 5 times I mean It was insane Then India is playing Side regularly With Siddhanta over here There are I agree with Siddhanta over here That Pakistan has been Pushed to the wall With India's attitude But if India playing a side Guarantees a side's climb Then Sri Lanka is doing very badly At this point So that's true also Because India's India's favourite During destinations in Sri Lanka They help, they board out, get money And then look at the side Look at how they are playing It's very bad Can I just add one thing I think the best way to Sort of Which way this argument is going to sway Is there is only one way And the most intelligent people on that platform On this planet which is Twitter On Twitter For example The discussion is I salute the Pakistan's Twitter Vasi The kind of tweets that have come out They have stepped up the game They have stepped up the game bro They are humor bro, that Punjabi humor Is prevalent in anything they do Next level They have always been winning the Twitter war Unfortunately The numbers are more than 5 times Impact wise 5 times more But in terms of that cutting A little bit of funniness I think the Pakistanis have been winning That battle all along But as far as cricket is concerned It has to be said I don't think You can make a lot of ourselves Also like that It's a very unpatriotic thing to do So I don't think Indians generally Engage in that The way that Pakistanis do Anti national Anyway, so as far as India was concerned That was a very clinical performance Absolutely Both sides While batting as well as bowling I mean Can I read out a tweet Which basically tells you exactly The way that these two were The teams how different they were So this tweet It says Don't call me a traitor But look at the Indian players They look like proper athletes You played of Varis Nihari With Fike's Lassi and Benazir Kulfa All at once Making us angry What would I give right now to have all of that Exactly Making us angry I had missile power What is this Actually I was having a conversation With a I was having a conversation with a Pakistani journalist Who was live blogging the game For BBC Urdu And he was one of the He is the one who sent me this Tweet first And when he sent it to me Immediately on his blog page He said I feel like reading this tweet I don't need to watch this match So clinical performance It was and then We have to also admit the fact that Pakistan being a few Notches down quality wise But if India was not clinical enough If India had east of a little taken it easy Then they would have made us pay Because they had the ballers If our batsmen had not applied themselves properly Like the way Rohit Sharma did Like the way Kohli did after that Like the way they accelerated at the end We would have been punished So that way India's performance We have to comment that I will give you a clear indicator of How far apart These two teams are on the cricket field At least rivalry or no rivalry Two of your biggest main stage In the batting and bowling department Shikhar Dhawan was not there Ganeshwar Kumar went down after Two overs I don't know Mid-match when he lost You practically played out The entire game without One of your highest run getters In world cricket And one of your premier wicket takers You have four wicket takers in this team He is one of them You have gone on and you have finished them You have taken them apart Vijay Shankar For all that he couldn't do with the bat And he tried very hard When he made ten runs We clapped He made 15 runs He made 15 runs But then with the ball You guys saw on the broadcast I am not saying it was planned That when Ganeshwar was bowling Halfway through that over He is expecting the ball to go out I am not saying they had spoken That if I am outside, you are inside But it worked The first ball came in I am sure they didn't speak about it Because he completed that guy over Of course not They didn't speak But I am just saying it worked First ball ESPN Cricket Force put up a graphic I think there is a total of Eight or nine bowlers Who got a ball in their very first World Cup delivery 2011 had two I think the one before that had three This is the first one of this World Cup But I think Ganeshwar had set it up for him Like you said You have to throw a little bit of knowledge So I think As far as Watching that full game of cricket Was concerned You are left with nothing but these ads Going around in your head 13 minutes I took my dog out It's amazing what all you can buy You can buy education Car insurance You can buy anything So this should be clear That we are running To the consumer economy We are running to the consumer economy And Leave this ad To show the consumer economy When Ranveer Singh came He was wearing I think all the clothes That were covered by him The sunglasses was amazing It was oversized By his phone watches That's true They all stem from jealousy Of course Look We are all walking in a rocky building And the gentleman is wearing this But Straight walked off the Mary Poppins Set and walked on to the cricket field Yeah bro and did you see the kind of There were also a lot of Alcohol ads but they were all Promoting soda There's no alcohol We only drink soda I don't know if in the middle There was a man in a cricket field He was getting you relived Old India Pakistan encounters He was getting you tea Last week We are seeing this man Yes You are India Pakistan special correspondent I think if a billion And half people watch the game Like 5 billion must have seen you Absolutely Everyone said What kind of clothes did you wear Why are you wearing this wedding set Where there is a flag And a red carpet And that was the set I think you were looking Ready to eat Nihari Yeah bro I think you ate And the whole Pakistan team ate Anything else to add In this conversation No just that Pakistan needs to get The act together man It's too late for this to know I think they are I don't know how many I don't know how many of you stuck around For like the full Review of the game Or like right at the end But Basim Akram had some brutal words Right at the end Completely He was really brutal He was talking about how India Invested so much in its domestic structure It's built up the IPL Pakistan's cricket is run by A journalist He is a former journalist Pakistan domestic cricket is in really bad shape So I would I don't see a way out for them The easy way If you talk to a lot of Pakistani people They think PSL is here So if PSL is here We will jump a lot We will do this and that But when you turn It comes on your roots How do you How do you How do you really help it grow And that is the thing That is missing in Pakistan That domestic cricket seems to be Wanting and how And that you cannot take away from India Irrespective of what you might say India and that domestic cricket Is one of the biggest reasons Why we have such a good supply line For where we are I can't believe I am sorry The biggest Watcher of Pakistan Cricket But it baffles me that till today Shoaib Malik, our son Is still batting in the middle order Despite these kind of dreadful performances This is not like a one-off Who will come then Exactly, I am sure They might be boys They don't get time There is a huge amount of corruption In the grass root Pakistan Cricket Are often criticized for the manner In which they pick players The head of the selection committee not till too long back Was this journalist Who used to promote his own nephews And friends, children And people from Within his own Eternity and it was like a huge thing It was a huge problem in Pakistan Cricket Not too long back I am sure We also used to have that We climbed out of it On the sanitized side I mean with heads and tails above We were having this conversation In our first episode About what countries were included In this world cup and what countries were excluded And to be honest I think Some of the countries whether it is Ireland or Scotland Being familiar with local conditions They would have probably put up A much stronger sort of fight In this competition than Pakistan being able to do Neither can you bat nor can you I am literally not joking They were one down I told papa that 26th is over Now what is the end In the next 3 overs they lose 5 wickets And that's the end of the game And every game they do the same The batting is ridiculous The bowling okay Ahmed did well yesterday and I think he is the only one Who has taken 46% of their wickets In this world cup There is no support I mean I love that guy's celebration But he is just But that's because you only get to See it once in 10 games That's true That's true If Imran Khan Who is the minister of Pakistan Azam Is so involved He is not giving tips to the captain To bat first So he doesn't need this advice Come back to your home A little domestic He is not giving advice To Pakistan cricket I think he would He said this when he had come up At that point of time I am sorry again I am going to drift to another sport But at that point of time Pakistan hockey had gone through a huge amount Of huge crisis in the world cup They were beaten hollow by Belgium And after that immediately After that He had come out and he said He is going to put money into Pakistan He is going to build the grass roots If he has to do it He has to do it across the sports Who has to bat first Don't show fear I totally agree with you guys And the fact that Leslie Spotted that article is that Someone has actually spent time To say why Pakistan ignored The PM's call to bat first Middle East website I think the point is That you should always listen to your Prime Minister So I will tell you Statistically or historically In that ground And given the overcast conditions Given that it is going to be a shortened game You would want to goal first Even Goli said he wanted to goal first Historically in India park clashes More often than not You win the toss, you want to bat first Because then you can defend after that Because there is so much that comes on with it Which is why I say I have full marks More than Rohit Sharma and Virat Koli Full marks KL Rahul bro That first match was against Pakistan And he did his job to perfection He saw of the new ball Did not go for the big shots at all And what we were saying There is one aggressor and this one Will sit there for a long time None of this is decided before the match All these things are decided In the first two overs of the match Rohit Sharma caught the first two overs So then telepathically you have decided You have a zone ahead You open your hand and you hit I will sit down and we will make sure We don't lose a wicket and we will see off And make that bloody new ball and make it old So it will be easier for the other guys coming in This Surfaraz putting India to bat There is a tweet for that also This is a good tweet for everything This is also a good tweet for everything This is also a good tweet for everything This is also a good tweet for everything A bit of crap Then comes Pakistan Chose to feal I am saying Forget all these They were giving dirty ground They had bat Pakistan twice And then they won the match Very dirty ground Very good jokes I mean a lot of groups were seeing each other And one was that we will make sure 350 from India 150 from us I think it's time to wind this up. I just want to say that you started by, at some point said, this is arrogance that just because we have money, we don't want to play against smaller countries or smaller nations. That's not the point at all. The point is, I think when we are the bigger country, we have all the resources, all the money, all the money, all the money, all the cricket, we are running. So why do we make this rivalry so big? Why do we make this the be all and end all of our existence? No arrogance meant here, but whatever element of the Pakistani state you look at, they are in a bit of a muddle. A bit of an issue. It's not true, but every country needs like a release. This is the only sport that we and Pakistan compete in at a world stage equally. So we have to have a rivalry with them. We don't. You forget hockey. I think it's better that we do it in hockey. We will play 10th or 12th place. You guys have obviously, unless I can't believe you are saying this, but you guys have obviously not seen hockey playing recently in Pakistan. Because even in that, there is a big gap between India and Pakistan. For example, one, I will show you, the day the champion trophy India lost in cricket from Pakistan, that day the hockey match was going on, 4 km away and India won Pakistan 7-1. But Pakistan aspired to be in the pro league. India didn't. India ran away from the pro league. Thank you guys for all of those. I'll wind this up because Mr. Pandit has to head to another studio. He's very much in demand, much more in demand than the Pakistan cricket team. Make the money. Show me the money, Pandit. Thanks for tuning in guys. We'll be back next week with another episode of 575 Ounces. See you then.